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(upbeat music) - Live from the Aviva Tratria Studio, it's the Grace Curly Show. - We gotta bring in a new voice, a young voice, a rising voice to Grace Curly. - You can read Grace's work in the Boston Herald and the spectator. - Well, you don't want too much Grace. - Here's the millennial with the mic. - Grace Curly. - Grace Curly. - Grace Curly. - Grace Curly. - Let's bring in the host of the Grace Curly Show, Grace Curly. - You either have Grace or you don't. - Especially Grace, Grace stand up. - Grace Curly. (upbeat music) - Hello everyone and welcome back to the Grace Curly Show. Thank you all so much for tuning in thus far and I hope you stay with us because this last hour is gonna be jam-packed full of information from Toby Leary who is nice enough to join us every Tuesday at two o'clock. Toby Leary is from Cape Gun Works and if you have a question for him, the number is 844-542. Now you may have heard Toby on in the six o'clock hour last night with Howie. I was able to listen to that and you all had so many great questions but I think there were so many people on the lines that a lot of you still have follow-ups on the bill that Mara Healy signed into law last week and that goes into effect on Thursday. Toby, before we take questions, before we get into the challenges to this new law, tell us how Mara Healy sees this law or how Democrats are packaging this law to the people versus what it's actually about. - That's a great point, Grace. Most people don't realize that this is always sold to the public. This is the literal dog whistle. You're gonna hear the term gun safety and anytime you hear the word gun safety said together in the same sentence, you know what that means. It is confiscation, gun confiscation. That is ultimately what they are working towards. They want everyone to be disarmed and they don't want you to be able to keep and bear any arms. Never mind the ones that are in the most common and ordinary use and popular like any modern sporting semi-automatic rifle. So that is what they're selling it to the public. That this is gonna save lives because we're gonna get guns off the street. We're gonna ban ghost guns. We're gonna increase our red flag laws. We're gonna, this is all the stuff that they're telling you. What they're not telling you is that they're violating your constitutional rights. 100% not to mention more than one constitutional right. The whole red flag law is a violation of due process. It's like a violation of the sixth amendment. It really does take away your right to confront your accuser, to present evidence in a court of law and the presumption of innocence. And so it takes that all away on the word of somebody else. Then you have all kinds of other issues being sold as gun safety issues. And what they're trying to do is control the criminal population by banning certain constitutionally protected arms for the rest of the people that you don't have to worry about. It defies logic. It defies the most basic common sense. We don't see it in any aspect of life. Like when somebody gets stabbed with a knife grace, they don't go banning knives and pulling them from the shelves and making it harder to buy them, right? Everybody understands that there was some psycho with a knife and they don't go, "Well, now we gotta ban knives." That's ridiculous. But yet here with the second amendment, they don't even try to pretend their arguments are logical. They have the media on their side, blowing that dog whistle of gun safety. And as long as it keeps one personal life, if it would even save just one life, wouldn't you be willing to change the law a little bit if it'll just save one life? Now, you can take the 12 to 15,000 negative outcomes with a firearm country-wide that happen every year. And juxtapose those against the 300,000 to 3 million people who use arms to defend themselves every year, most of the time without even firing a shot. So which, if you wanna put this on a balance of risk versus benefit, what's the more riskier option? Banning arms or making sure that the people who can have them and use them are well armed? I think the evidence speaks for itself. - Toby, I'm glad you brought up this pushback that the law is getting. And I actually, I mentioned that it's being challenged. I know the NRA is challenging it. And I usually go first to the callers and we are gonna go to you in just a second, eight, four, four, five, hundred, forty, two, forty, two. But this text is so great. This is from 978, question for Toby. Given the NRA is going to challenge H4-885, will they include in the suit the firearms rosters and the ridiculous and unrealistic requirements for a firearm to be sold in Massachusetts? - It's a great question. I don't know what their legal strategy is gonna be. So this is why elections really have consequences. And we have, you know, hundreds of people in the legislature that do these type of bills, this omnibus bill, 116 pages of legislation. Gold did a summary of it and it's like eight pages long of things that are changing in this law. Now, unfortunately, we can't just take this law to court and say we challenge it. It has to be challenged, for suitability, you need to show that you're harmed and you need to have been affected personally by it. So that's a tough one. You can't just take 116 page documents, say this hurts me, even though it does, but no court is gonna look at it like that. You have to take each individual thing. This is why this type of gun control legislation is so dangerous because it could literally take decades in courts to go through each and everything that it affects us with. So the better challenge in my opinion is to A, stop it from never happening, which we failed on. Number two, raise a grassroots army that can sign a petition that we're gonna have coming out in the next few weeks to recall this bill. In other words, if we get enough signatures on this bill, it'll recall the bill and it'll put a pause on it, temporary pause until election day and it'll go on the ballot. And then the people can decide whether they want their rights stripped from them or not. I think that's a much better option. And if the people do vote away their rights grace like they did in Oregon, they can't do that either. Even though the legislature did it, they can't do that. That's what the constitutional limits of their power is, but they do it anyway and abuse their power. Well, the same thing could happen to the people. We could literally vote on November 5th to take away our constitutionally enumerated rights with this ballot initiative that we're proposing. But you can't do that. Like it's a right, you don't get to take it away. You didn't grant it in the first place. So if we fail on the ballot, we had a three month pause, possibly a 15 month pause, depending on when we get the signatures raised. And then if it fails, in other words, if they voted away, vote our rights away, then we're right back to where we started with the courts. And ultimately, I believe the courts will have to do the right thing, whether it's in our district court or our first circuit court of appeals or all the way at the Supreme Court, they will ultimately have to do the right thing because this is so unconstitutional. Toby, something you just said about the signatures stood out to me, 'cause when I was listening to you yesterday, you talked about how everyone should care about this, not just people who have guns. And I think that that's a problem that you're gonna find yourself up against. I know you're not unaware of it, is that there are people who don't consider themselves part of this conversation because maybe they don't have guns. So they don't think it affects them, really. They don't think they need to sign on to anything. So make your case and then we're gonna take a break and we'll go to the calls when we come back, but make your case as to why people who might not go to the shooting range or might not go to Cape Gun Works, why this is still an issue that they should care about just as American citizens? - Great point, Grace. This is an excellent question. And it's something that I believe is a difficult conversation to have with people who have a knee-jerk reaction to firearms. And that is, if they can do this to the Second Amendment, then they can do it with every other enumerated right because the Second Amendment isn't a second class right. It's number two for a reason. Think about that. It's not like down at the bottom and after thought with an asterisk and a footnote. This is number two. This is how this country was formed, was the citizenry having equal arms to the government. Think about that 'cause everybody wants to say, "No, nobody needs a military-style assault weapon." No, we do. We need equal arms to what the government can have. That's why this whole two-tiered justice system that they created with this bill is so awful where government and police can have one type of arm and then the peasantry can have their pitchforks and their ho, and that's it. And so if they can vote it away, which they don't have the constitutional authority to do, then who's to say they can't bring back the poll tax? If they're gonna ignore the Supreme Court rulings and just do whatever they wanna do, then tomorrow they could bring back the poll tax. All they need to do is get a majority of votes in the Senate and the House. They could make you have to have a license to go to church. They could make you have to have a license to have Fourth Amendment or Fifth Amendment protections. They could make you take a class, get background checked, fingerprinted photograph, pay a fee to the state government all just to exercise your right to free speech, to write a paper, to give a speech, to go to church, to figure out which religion you wanna be, or to have Fourth Amendment protections. It is really the crack of Pandora's Box. And why do you think they're so adamant about attacking the Second Amendment? 'Cause once that one's out of the way, take a look at Caracas, Venezuela. That's the result of what happens when the people are disarmed. - Really well said, Toby. That was a great response. I hope everyone's listening. 844-500-4242. When we come back, we're gonna take all your calls for Toby Leary. We have him until around 245. So get on the line now. If there was any question that you don't feel as though you have the answer to, when it comes to this bill that was signed until all last week, that goes into effect on Thursday, if there's something that you want answered by Toby, he's the guy who has the answers when it comes to all things, guns, and Massachusetts. So 844-500-4242. And if he doesn't have the answers, then all of the blogs and message boards will rip him to shreds later on tonight. So Toby Leary, hang tight, we'll be right back. Get on the lines now and I encourage anyone who's listening on streaming to also chime into this conversation. It's 844-500-4242. Your questions for Toby when we come back. - Hi, it's Toby from Cape Gunworks. I'm taking all your firearm and self-defense questions every Tuesday. Join Grace and me for two eight Tuesday, Tuesdays at two p.m. (dramatic music) (dramatic music) This is The Grace Curly Show. (dramatic music) (dramatic music) - Welcome back everyone to The Grace Curly Show. All right, we've got lots of people on the lines to talk to Toby Leary about this law. It was signed into law last week. It goes into effect on Thursday, which will be the first of the month. So let's start off with Robert, your first up with Toby Leary. Go ahead, Robert. - Hey, how you doing today? - Good, what's up? - Hello. Okay, I am a resident of the Advancement Honey and Massachusetts for a long time. With this new law and effect, am I the way I've read it? I am no longer allowed to bring my semi-automatic shotgun into the state of Massachusetts to go hunting. Is that correct? - I wish it wasn't true, but you're 100% correct. It as ridiculous as that is. You can't hunt with a semi-automatic if you're not a resident of this state. And again, where does the concrete need for such a law and how is that keeping any of us safe? If the New Hampshire residents wanna come down and go duck hunting, and now they gotta go back to the old 870 Wingmaster and can't bring their Benelli Super Black Eagle that they paid $2,000 for, $1,800 for to go duck hunting. How is this making us safer? How is this gonna save children and bring back rainbows and unicorns? It's not gonna matter at all. All it does is point the gun of government at the lawful peaceful citizen, and that's it. So I wish that wasn't true, but it is. - All right, all right, well, thank you very much. - Thanks, Robert. All right, let's go to Tony, you're next up with Toby Leary. Go ahead, Tony. - All right, thank you, thank you my call. I'm a veteran and I have purchased a few lowers, A.L. lowers, you know, legally purchased them and putting them together. What is, what happens Thursday with those? - This is the most commonly asked question. I'm gonna tell you what I think is the right answer, but according to what the state would have, you believe, but I don't think they'll be able to implement it, and I'm not a lawyer, so don't take this as like Toby said, so if you end up in court. But the truth of the matter is, if you lawfully purchased it prior to eight one, then I don't think you have to rush to do anything. So the, you know, you might have to show proof if they call you and question it, but they put a date that ARs and AKs, any of the enumerated guns had to have been in existence prior to 2016, seven, 20, 2016. That's kind of the methodology that we've been using ever since then. I haven't sold lowers in my shop for that reason, but the ambiguity in this bill works to the favor of the defendant, if you were to be charged with something called the rule of lenity. And basically, this is such an ambiguous, such a confusing law that I don't think they're gonna be able to charge anyone who does build a post-healy AR-15 and owned it prior to eight one. I don't see how they possibly could. So sorry for the long answer. And I know everyone wants me to say, "Oh yeah, you're all set, don't worry about a thing." But that isn't my answer. My answer is I'd be cautious and maybe seek legal counsel, but that's my understanding of it. And I know it's, I'm not trying to commit to an answer here, but there's reasons for that. And, but I don't think they'll have a leg to stand on to prosecute anyone. - All right, thank you, Tony. Let's go to Bruce. You're up next, go ahead, Bruce. - Yeah, hi, Grace. Thanks for taking my call. - Of course. - Hi, Tony. Toby, I have already taken the class to get my permit. And I was just wondering if that was gonna be something I should do before the law goes into place. Should I get my permit like this week, like right now? Or is this something that's not gonna really affect it? - Run, don't walk to the nearest to your local police department and turn in your application, have them stamp it. And, you know, I'd fill it out and duplicate and have them stamp your copy, too, with today's date. That if you've already gone through the class and have the certificate, get it done today or tomorrow, don't wait. There's already towns I've heard that are turning people away pending, you know, the guidance coming from the state, which is literally like six months to a year away. So there's no reason for them to reject it and there's no reason for them to not accept it. So, and if they won't take it, try to get them in writing, put that in writing, that they refuse your license to carry application. And I would call it like Attorney Jason Geida or Keith Langer or any of the good two A attorneys we have in the state and they will take them to court. - All right, thank you, Bruce. Everyone else, wait on the lines at 844-542-42. We'll be right back. We'll let you ask more questions for Toby Leary. Today's poll question is brought to you by J.J. Manning Auctioneers. Whether residential, commercial, or land, J.J. Manning can get your property sold now. To learn more, contact Charlie Gill at 800-521-0111 or go to jjmanning.com. With over 16,000 sales and satisfied clients, you can be the next one. Taylor, what is the poll question and what are the results thus far? - Today's poll question, which you can vote in at gracecurlyshow.com, is will we ever know the truth about the attempted Trump assassination? - If today's hearing with the acting director of the Secret Service is any sort of teaser as to what's to come, I'm gonna say absolutely not because I have way more questions than I did yesterday. - 92% say no. - All right, when we come back, Toby Leary answers all of your questions about this law and the number is 844-542-42. We'll be right back in on the lines now. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Live from the Aviva Thratria Studio. Welcome back everyone to the Grace Curly Show. We are so fortunate to be joined by Toby Leary, the perfect person to have on today. From Cape Gun Works, an expert on all things, not just guns, but second amendment. And he joins us now to talk H-4-885, the bill that was signed into law last week that goes into effect on Thursday. So let's go to Paul, you're up next with Toby Leary. What's your question, Paul? - Yes, I was listening to a podcast. This was like a couple of weeks ago. They said that Massachusetts is gonna try to do a way with muskets, black powder guns, black powder pistols. They can't do that, it's in the constitution for that. Are they really trying to do that? - They're not doing a way with them. They are changing the laws around them. So if a muzzleloader or a primitive firearm or an antique, an antique is a gun that was manufactured prior to 1898, which has zero federal restrictions, you can literally buy 'em online, have 'em shipped to your door. If any of those take a modern cartridge or modern components like a primer, smokeless powder, a brass cartridge, or a shell, or something like that, then they are saying it is now considered a firearm and it is a whole different set of rules from what the federal government and everybody else has historically said. So now any of the modern inline muzzle loaders are gonna basically be firearms in this state. So they won't be able to be possessed by people who don't have an FID card or LTC. - Thank you very much, Paul, for the question. The number is 844-542. Let's go to Jeff, your next up with Toby Leary. Go ahead, Jeff. - Yeah, hi guys, hi Toby. The new electronic gun registry, does that apply to firearms owned before 8124, or only firearms purchased after 81? - That's a good question. I'm not sure, because technically we don't have a registry right now. They actually tell you it's the mass gun transaction portal. And so I would assume they're gonna require everybody to register every gun. Maybe it's only gonna be the, quote unquote, assault style weapons to begin with, but they are really cracking down. They want uncerealized weapons to go away. They grandfathered anything prior to 1968, which is when the gun control act required serialization by the manufacturers, but anything after that, homemade firearms or anything like that, must have serialization. And then they're probably gonna eventually make you register every gun in your collection. That's the way I see it, the way the bill is written. I'm no expert on it, but again, I think that that's what they're ultimately gonna do. And we all know what comes after registration. - Toby, I apologize if you already answered this, and maybe I missed it, but 781 is asking, is the date 731 or 881 for buying pre-band? - It depends on what you read. I'm even confused by the date, but I think I'm confused by 81 or 82. So it's either 81 or 82. I'm not sure which based on the confusion in the bill. However, there is a little small window of grace, if you will, pardon the pun, because as long as it's in my inventory or in the dealer's inventory prior to 81, I can sell it after the date. So it does talk about as long as it was owned lawfully prior to 81 by an LTC holder or by an FFL holder. So because it's in the FFL's inventory, I can continue to sell it until they're out. And when they're gone, they're gone. So unless we get that recall referendum started, then we'll put a pause on it. We'll start selling it again. - All right, thank you, Toby. Let's go to Dave, your next stop on The Grace Curly Show. Toby, Larry, go ahead, Dave. - Toby, how you doing today? My question for you is this. What legal challenges are planned or are in the planning stages for this legislation, the challenges legislation? Are there any? - Yes, there's multiple by many different groups. So this is a manifold approach. There's gonna be a lot of, it's gonna be the shotgun approach of legal challenges. I think right now what's happening behind the scenes is all the national groups are kind of getting together and saying, all right, what ones are you gonna take? What ones are we gonna take? They don't wanna duplicate the effort where it doesn't make sense. Plus, there's also a lot of legal challenges that really don't make sense because other court systems are so far down the road. And the one thing that goes to the advantage of the gun grabbing crowd is that district court and the first circuit court of appeals in Massachusetts are probably the two worst anti-gun courts in the nation. So you have to play the long game here and be committed to taking it all the way to the Supreme Court. And that doesn't make sense on certain efforts that are already weighed down the road compared to us. That'll get there before us. So there's gonna be some legal challenges. No doubt about it. I think, in my opinion, and I'm no expert and I'm no political strategist, but I think that the recall referendum is the best place to start because it puts the pause on it and it brings it to the ballot, to the voters. And then if it fails on that day, we're still gonna continue with the legal challenges. But I would like to see us play to win, swing for the fences here and get as many people to sign this ballot referendum. And then when we win on election day, all the money that's been raised and all the national attention that we've gone from groups, maybe they'll put that money into legal challenges of existing law and we'll see our rights clawed back even further. That to me makes a whole lot more sense than going into the lions den and trying to win court cases here in Massachusetts in order to get our rights back. I'd rather put it to the vote and win-loser draw than we'll take it as step two. But it's really not a two-step process. It's all happening simultaneously. - All right, thank you, Dave. Let's go to Michael. You're up next. Go ahead, Michael. Michael, sorry about that. - Yeah, that's me. That's my cake. I recently purchased a rifle on Sunday to have it ordered and he said that the guy that I bought her from would be here today or tomorrow. My concern is what if it shows up Thursday or the weekend? It's past the deadline. Now what I would do? Now I have to go still go to the nicks check and all the other things that go along with owning a firearm in the state. And I have to repeat saying that I did purchase it, the money and everything, but I don't have it in the end. - Yeah, was that at our shop or someone else's shop? - No, someone else's shop. - Okay, so I guess you'd have to take that up with them. If I ordered it and the spirit of the sale took place prior to the date and UPS screwed it up and didn't ship it in time and I paid extra for overnight shipping to get it by the date, I'm gonna transfer that gun. But that's my shop's business decision and legal decision and we'll deal with that if we need to. But the point I'm trying to make is I think the spirit and intent of the sale took place prior to that date. However, the law is pretty specific that it has to be an inventory. So I guess if it's in transit and maybe he has a serial number, he could log it in his books. I don't know, I'm not throwing out advice. I'm just saying that's gonna be a case-by-case basis from a store-to-store basis 'cause this is one of those laws that is so confusing that you ask 10 different people what it means. You're gonna get 10 different answers. - All right, thank you, Michael. Let's go to Clint, your next stop with Toby Wery. Go ahead, Clint. - Hey, Toby, I spoke to yesterday, I don't remember it's all a blur. I was just down and I understand there's lots of confusion and I just took quite a drive down to your shop and left empty handed. I was told what was on the shelf, you know, what your head was what you had so that I wasn't able to order anything. Is that the case or is that kind of a- - If you're still local, turn around. I'll make sure. I apologize, Clint. I'm not sure what the whole transaction there took place but we actually have secured some guns that should be here today or tomorrow. And so we could definitely do a special order for you on specific ones, not anything you want because I don't know if I can get it. So there's people that are really wanting a Tavor and I can't find one anywhere in the country. So no matter how much I pay for overnight shipping, I'm not gonna have 'em 'cause you can't find 'em but there are specific guns. The Sigspir MCX is one that I'm gonna be getting a few more of so people have been pounding the door down all day, you could order it on my website as well. So if you go to CapeGoneWorks.com, you could order that gun on there. And so yeah, I apologize if something got lost in translation at the counter. Everybody's working like mad dogs right now. And so sometimes some things slip through the cracks but we'll definitely take good care of it and I apologize. - Thank you for the call Clint. Toby, please let people know what they can do. I mean, you are, you said swing for the fences here. So what's the call to action? How can people get involved? - So the call to action is don't drive to my store we're looking for a petition in the next few weeks because we won't have it but we are gonna put the word out as soon as we do. 10 people are gonna go file this with the Secretary of the Commonwealth this week. And as soon as that is filed then we have 90 days to get 50,000 signatures that are certified which means we probably gotta get 100,000 signatures 'cause a lot of them are gonna be thrown out for smudges or lack of clarity or bad address or they're not registered to vote. So we need to get 100,000 signatures. This is gonna be a massive grassroots effort campaign that we're gonna need all hands on deck. Everyone involved, that's the call to action. It's gonna happen over the next few weeks, probably a month at the latest. So that's really the call to action today. We'll keep everybody up to date. Make sure you like and subscribe at Cape Gun Works whether you're on X or Instagram or Facebook or YouTube. That's the handle. The Facebook page is actually CGW Shop 'cause the Cape Gun Works one got Zuckerberg. But so follow us there. We'll be doing live updates. We'll do lots of information. We'll do short videos coming out. We'll do emails. And you can sign up at CapeGunworks.com to be notified for the emails. And come on down. It's grabbed some donuts and coffee and waiting line will help you I promise. But we're all in this together. It's gonna be a lot of work and it's gonna be worth it though. We'll swing for the fences and play to win 'cause I'm not giving up on this state. It's the state where the shot heard around the world was fired and Patriots stood their ground and it's time we do it again. It's time we get that Patriots spirit. And we fight and we push back against the tyrants that wanna take our guns. The red coats, the red shirts, whatever you wanna call 'em. It's time we take our rights back and we can do that on November 5th with this ballot referendum. So looking forward to doing it, rolling up our sleeves and getting a work grace. And thanks for giving me extra time today. This is important to get out to everybody. And I know everyone's charged up and ready to go. - All right, thank you, Toby. I wanna say one more call if you're okay with it. David, go ahead, you're the last call. - Hi Toby, how you doing? - Good, thanks. - I do, I have a question. I, yeah, I run in 20. And I was reading something on this bill I'll do. I need permission from the land owner now to have my firearms on the premise. I didn't get that granular on this law that could be a thing. I wouldn't be surprised. There's so much to this that surprises me every time I read it. I think that's regarding like, yeah, public buildings, if you're in an apartment complex, that could be the case. You know, and so that's up to you whether you wanna entertain that level of infringement or not. But the truth of the matter is there's so much in this that just needs to get put away and that's the way I feel about most of it. So that's what we're gonna be working on. But I would say, you know, ask that question on one of my live streams in a couple of days and I'll try to do some research for you or you could go over to Gun Owners Action League, gold.org for massive summary of the whole bill. That's where I'd point you to find out the nuance of that. So thanks for the good, great question. - All right, thank you, David. We'll be right back with Howie Carr. We get a lot more to get to. - Thank you, Toby Leary. Don't go anywhere. - The Grace Curly Show will be right back. - This is the Grace Curly Show. - I accepted the invitation, you know, I was brought to the party not so much as being white and I certainly am, but because I'm a dude. - I'm the dude. So that's what you call me. - That was Jeff Bridges. He was part of this white dudes for Kamala Harris. I'm not going to subject anyone to any more of that nonsense. I am joined here today by Howie Carr for the Car Crossover and Howie, I have a cut here. I've been waiting to play all day and I would love your reaction. Molly Jungfast, she's a reporter and she was on MSNBC and she was talking about J.D. Vance and how he is trying his best to push the great replacement. - Is she Eric Jung's, Erica Jung's daughter, the woman who wrote Fear of Flying, the sort of the semi porn book from the '70s? - I'm not sure. - I believe she is. - So this is Molly Jungfast, this is cut 12. - More and more Americans choosing not to have kids, which again, emphasizes why J.D. Vance's comments about childless Americans, childless calories could be so politically damaging. - Well, so what's interesting is this is this natalism that comes from an authoritarian playbook, right, that there need to be more white children, right? That's the idea that there's, you know, this is about great replacement theory, racism, right? This is what this is. So don't misunderstand it for him wanting more children. He wants a certain kind of, you know, racist thing. - Now, there's only one problem. Well, there's multiple problems with that, but the biggest glaring problem is that J.D. Vance, the weird guy who everyone has a problem with, he has three kids and they are half white, half Indian because he married an ethnically Indian woman. And so nothing about that comment makes any sense. And in the same way that Trump is a terrible dictator and a terrible Russian spy, I would say J.D. Vance is doing a terrible job with the being racist towards white kids or racist against other kids if he's having half white, half Indian children. - I never heard the word natalism before either. Natalism, that means you want to have children to propagate the species. I wasn't aware that that was some kind of, you know, fringe ideology. - And you know what's crazy about this whole cat lady thing is that it started off with conservatives and even J.D. Vance kind of, kind of saying, all right, maybe that wasn't phrased the way I wanted it to. But as always, the left overplays their hands and now they're revealing how anti-family they truly are. They're attacking this guy who's being racist when he has three children that are half white, half Indian. And by the way, this is the same woman who a few months ago was saying only low info voters will consider Hunter Biden's convictions. I'm sitting here going, how low info are you that if you don't know this about someone who could be our vice president, I think most people know he's married to an Indian woman. - Yes, yes, most people do know if they read a newspaper, check out online, if they watched, you know, I don't know five seconds of the convention. - Yeah, it's not that hard to figure out unless you're Molly junk best. Howie, I saw it today that Josh Hawley had a great tweet about this Secret Service hearing today. And it was something along the lines of essentially, they know who made the mistakes and they know it was a huge failure, but they can tell us who and no one's gonna get fired for it. - No, that's basically what he said. He said that and he said it was persecution to even ask him about this. And then after all, it was only 17 days since the thing happened. How are they supposed to know what happened? - And do you notice how they love to use these words, like these big words as if they, you know, they have this understanding of the complexities that we don't understand. And it's like, somebody wasn't up on the roof that day. That's really, I don't need to be a Secret Service savant to understand that somebody dropped the ball. - Right, right. And he's explaining, well, you know, we like to have the higher altitudes, no kidding. Then you don't say, can I take some notes on that? Is there gonna be a pop quiz on this? What you wanna have when you're protecting someone you wanna, do you wanna be beneath them or above them? - Howdy cars coming up next, don't go anywhere. I'll see you all tomorrow. - Hey, where are the white women at? (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
Toby Leary joins Grace for 2A Tuesday to discuss what you need to know ahead of Thursday.