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Prisoner exchange - Captain Richard Rutland asking for Dredging Project to be more responsible - Midday Mobile - Thursday 8-01-24
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just got word thank you Liana with watching the traffic out there looks like this just coming in westbound I-10 in the Wallace Tunnel there's been an accident don't know more details of that but if you you're you're you're traveling this way you're heading over to Mobile where so I-10 westbound in the Wallace Tunnel there's been an accident we'll get updates here on how much backup and hopefully find you the information need not to go sit and bake in the Sun right not to force your vehicle to try to try to keep the car cool and what is it now it's like when I walked in the studio it was 96 or something out there so yes hopefully we can keep traffic moving keep that air going across the radiator and things going your vehicle all right let's let's let's not to do on today's show as always they always joins me in our number two Captain Richard Rutland joins me in the second half of this hour now Richard and I for all transparency have known each other a long time but he's in to talk about this controversy I guess we're in week three of this discussion of Mobile Baykeeper giving notice to the core that they were gonna file a lawsuit it hadn't been filed yet about what they're doing with the dredging spoil and there's been groups of fishing guns commercial and recreational that have chimed in about this Richard's wonderful and he's going to join us to talk about it through his perspective coming up at around 1235 all right the prisoner swap that's going on right now if you didn't hear that update there so this is from the Associated Press came out seven minutes ago said the United States and Russia completed their biggest prisoner swap in post-Soviet history today with Moscow releasing journalist Evan Gerskovich and fellow American Paul Whelan in a multinational deal that set some two dozen people free according to officials in Turkey where the exchange took place interesting to the last exchange which we can get to remember the last exchange took place I think at Abu Dhabi that was when remember Britney Griner was repatriated and what did we who did we swap who entered the transfer portal that time you remember that so and maybe there's somebody else because they were thinking Paul Whelan might have gotten out back then but he did not he did get out in this one so Britney Griner was swapped for Victor boot bout remember this guy that the US had the who went by the nickname also aka also known as the merchants of death so Victor last time the Victor Victor birthday merchant of death and also I'm sorry also sanctions buster another nickname of of his he was a you know got his smuggle weapons right so the merchant of death was swapped last time for Britney Griner I don't know this is let's see maybe Reuters has updated because it says now you know a couple dozen in this though I don't know if we what ratio if it says here in the story there's a couple dozen in the trade does that mean 12 for 12 said this exchange set two dozen people free so I mean was there up was it one to one two to one all I know is the two they're talking about is there's govitch who of course was Wall Street Journal journalist Ryan who'd been held for over a year there and then Paul Whelan's been held by the Russians for how long it's been years for Paul Whelan in there so those are both out in the swap I don't see anything about the Russians we traded for but it's interesting that it did take place in Turkey this time not in Abu Dhabi of course Erdogan and Turkey NATO member Turkey remember NATO member Turkey but is close to Russia right it has a little bit of a relationship with Russia so NATO partner but has a relationship with Russia so that's where it went out in Turkey that's where the Russians came that's I guess where we came in exchange with people said the trade followed years of secretive back channel negotiations despite relations between Washington and Moscow being at their lowest points since the Cold War after Russian president Vladimir Putin February 2020 to invasion of Ukraine years now so I mean if I'm reading this correctly then it didn't make sense for there's govitch because he hadn't been there for I think he's not two years yet so Paul Whelan has but they said they have been secretive back channel negotiations for years so maybe it's some of the other I would like to know and Lana if you see anything I've watched my see who you know the two I mean the two that have the least they've rolled out of the ones that had probably the biggest name recognition but who are the other ones and was it a one for one did we get a good deal on this or do we not get a good deal on this were there any merchants of death in the mix on this or was it just those two and then just some some regular regular Russians and said well yes I don't know now I don't I don't know who they are people it's but it's I mean there's it's it says it and this is all that AP is reporting right now because it's kind of breaking news it said two dozen so I mean I didn't get a mathematics degree I got a communication degree from the University of Alabama rolled time but that would tell me 24 right and so you'll give me two names here so I and I don't know who we who we traded them for let's see okay good oh somebody is giving me okay good thank you who else has been released in a statement posted online radio free Europe great R.M. song radio Liberty president and CEO Stephen Capas acknowledged media reports that a journalist working for them Also Kirmay Shiva would be released as part of the deal too so I guess they want to know if Also Kirmay Shiva is is American or but was working for radio for Europe why are we still running radio for Europe I mean do we need that are we you know holdover from the throes of the Cold War I mean are people so do they are they still broadcasting on radio or are they just using it as a front for the cyber stuff we might be doing I'm I'm interested but that trade is there and this Gershkovich thing has been talked about a long time and the Paul Whelan thing remember Paul Whelan was at least discussed to be part of the last trade the one that traded Brittany Griner for the merchant of death but didn't didn't happen then but this has happened quite a while I've been working on this for quite a while so there's good news to have out there also as we're dealing a world away you know I talked about this on yesterday's show talked about this at length this week and the ratcheting up of the greater Middle East a greater war in the Middle East beyond where it is now I've got you've got the Iranians saying now exactly what I said they would say they got to that they're going to exact revenge on Israel I mean two things they do it anyway number two they in their intra national politics you got to show you can't sit there and let the Israelis or whoever they think might be involved in this thing the Israelis you know violate the sovereign land sovereign Iranian land and come and kill the Hamas leader Hanani Ishmael Hanani so they're going to do something remember last time remember the response from Iran last time remember the the testing of the iron dome and the rocket barrage and all that stuff that was for a strike outside of the borders of Iran on a Iranian consulate if I remember correctly so that's what they did when the strike was outside they're bored I think it was in Syria an Iranian consulate in Syria so what do you think is fixing to happen here and then Israel's going to respond as well I mean we're now I mean it's yes there are a lot of things to talk about and we can definitely we'll get into the Olympic boxing story we'll get and these things are important things to talk about but you know we're on the precipice of unless cooler mines prevail which I don't know if there are any in this we're all the precipice of something very very big here comedy the you know comedy Iran's comedy has ordered specifically an attack on Israel said he'd say not just like we will oppose their force and on that it was like we're gonna attack Israel says I think that translated quote is following this bitter tragic event which is taking place within the borders of the Islamic Republic it is our duty to take revenge so now he's on notice with his people Israel's just waiting get same base attention got mine all right be right back oh and and now there's F-16s flying around in Ukraine to Ukrainian pilots to fight against the Russians things are great this is midday mobile with Sean Sullivan on FM talk one oh six five right 12 20 FM talk one of six five midday mobile client have you long on this Thursday edition of the show this segment brought you by my band Clint Jameson who I just saw you know within the last hour he was up here by the station he's with adventure earth bicycles and I'm told you about this I've been without my bicycle and it was very strange to be without my adventure earth bicycle I've got the e-bike from the scout from Magnum which I loved 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in the uh i don't know about up towards Memphis but in the northeast corner of Mississippi they cost they cost trouble all right uh unnamed texture said Sean really how many people do you know that have caught a sturgeon in mobile bay or the river maybe ever once in a lifetime one would show up that's where that's where it was in Georgia in our rivers well so i've never caught one obviously not fishing the right way for them but they're you know they're there i'm a good friend of mine that was in the science world on this it doesn't work with different sturgeon but the conversation if you can go back and listen the podcast and i actually i'll bring this up with cap Richard Rutland when he joins me after the news i said this to William Strickland from baykeeper i said hey let's just talk you know talk brass tacks here is it the fact that the girl sturgeon is endangered which is a federal thing and the core of engineers are is a federal thing is that because and if you can go back and listen to the podcast or i can just tell you what he said is yeah in so many words it's it's a it's a mechanism to protect the entire bay the idea is what can we do because you couldn't bring an action of like we just don't we just want to protect the bay that's a lot more let me use a a technical legal term that's a lot more loosey goosey okay uh when you say hey here's a federally protected species endangered species that's a federal thing core of engineer engineers is a federal thing so it is almost a it's a hood ornament y'all it's a hood ornament for the bigger idea of of this this idea of uh mitigating the amount of dred spoil that's put back into the water column in the bay so that's why so yeah i mean it's not there are other places or other bodies of water here that have called sturgeon in them to our east i have protection there but yeah i don't want to diminish you know i'm not saying it's not important that it's endangered species but it's it's a mechanism maybe i'm not supposed to say that on the radio but i did so um there you go wow okay thank you nadley nadley said a prisoner exchange between the u.s. russia germany and three other western countries okay so it wasn't just us in russia thank you nadley she says uh russia will receive eight citizens germany will receive twelve released from russia evan gerskovich fladimir kara murza lilya chen's shiva ilya yashin kasynia fadiv andry okay paul wheeling i can pronounce that one alsud kromashev that we just talked about oleg orloff sauschossel sosy nadley can help you a production uh for pronunciations here but you've given me the list okay released in the west uh let's see who did we release uh okay so salvenia germany salvenia norway poland u_s_a_ u_s_a_ and u_s_a_ uh the exchange is uh currently happening at the anchor airport yeah thank you thank you so much for that update nadley i do think it's interesting the last exchange when we swap britney griner for victor boot the merchant of death um when we did that we did that in habu dabi this time it's uh let's see we did an anchor turkey because they're a nato member all right uh let's see uh uh named texter no stardomist predicted the third world war would start in the middle east here's the thing like i got hung up in that no stardomist stuff i think i was in college and probably too many course lights deep when i like dude this guy had figured that if you predict everything yeah when it was the old thing i stopped watches right twice a day kind of thing uh kids in the digital wage have no idea what i mean but you could find stuff that no stardomist predicted and say look he was right but then he said other stuff that wasn't like eventually if you predict everything if i say that alabama's gonna win the national championship and lose the national championship win the scc championship lose the scc i mean eventually i'm like see us i told y'all so um okay good and backspace remind us uh if you see something say something mobile is not exempt from a terror attack that is true that is true there's uh i mean there's a lot of talk after 9/11 a lot of groups we met and talked about the weaknesses and in mobile or how it would be a target right so yeah i don't i don't know anywhere is out of it but and the idea that iran would attack like a nation-to-nation conventional i don't that'll happen to israel but what could happen here is how many people do we have i mean just even the Biden administration admitting how many people the godaways people have come across the border here i mean we've had the fbi looking for an Iranian assassin who's been in the country for months when they first put this out who is here to uh exact revenge on the solomani killing and was looking for john bolton uh i think pompeo trump others is in the country looking to us and that's the one they know about so uh maximus um spot on doesn't have medicines never fear the great communicator joe biden will step in and call him the middle east shut up doesn't that matter you're making it worse so the negotiations will exclude uh include the exchange of 72 virgins for one will use some very expensive experience uh half indian half black woman it's win for us we'll be unburdened by what has been and uh let's see how much of that cost the exchange dameyanki asked i i don't know about i don't think it's money in that case it's but thank you to natalie i'll have to parse this out during a news break i'm asking kind of a my haci question here is how many how many russians we have to give up for how many westerner you know that i get bothered when we get in these exchanges when we give like the terrorist people like well y'all can have four or five you know to one of ours now i think one of ours is worth four or five of anybody who's not american because i'm proud american at the same time i'd like to get a little deal here right it may one-to-one swap you know i mean i'd love us to get two-to-one you know to get a deal here on it but that's the big ones though as as it's coming out right now the big ones are names you know and paul wheeling we've talked about for a long time has been held by the russians he is out in this exchange as well as wall street journal uh journalist evan gurskovich is out and then thank you natalie sent me a list of other people and then not all us uh you have other western countries in this prisoner swap that's going on right now i guess they're in anchor in turkey all right uh coming back we'll get your calls and text my guest cat richard rutland joins us to talk more about his perspective on what's happening with dredging in the bay phone number text line if you hadn't heard it's 343 zero one zero six three four three zero one zero six we're coming right back this is mid-day mobile with Sean Sullivan on fm talk one oh six five right 1234 fm talk one oh six five and mid-day mobile glad to have you along phone number 343 zero one zero six same for the text line that you can always leave us a talkback message when you use the fm talk one oh six five app if you haven't downloaded yet uh go get it it's online for uh at the app store for iphone users and at google play for android users all right good to see this man back in last time i was talking to this man we were uh there at the dock at the alabama deep sea fishing rodeo at the 91st which was the heck of a success yes sir past president of the rodeo all around good guy uh man who served his country with the navy and now serves fishermen as a professional guide richard rutland good to see you hey thank you for having me on um yeah we're just talking we're still talking rodeo stuff here during the news break and some of the big fish that came in it's impressive yeah yeah no it was uh the record centers yeah we were talking about uh on the podcast yesterday the re-elephantuno record got broken three times in one day it was right so i was i remember uh on sunday i was weighing in and some guys were getting some really nice yellow i mean i wasn't there for the weigh-in but they were getting them out of the bags right they're getting i was like oh that's another good one another good one we're sitting there and and there are people coming back from the weighing up yeah we probably don't need to go weigh them and i'm like those guys have 160 pound tunas and they yeah there was 190 pound fish that didn't place this is i mean that's a heck of a story it's a yeah when the guys with the 170 out there putting them back in the bag sheepishly and putting them back in the boat you're like holy cow you know some big fish and that's like what you think about from the winter time you know uh not these not these big giants this time of year no it's summertime you're supposed to catch you know 50 pound yeah tuna and that's what i've seen that before i've seen you know like less than sub 100 pound fish win uh and then something happened yeah some giants coming in you know i want to talk about this story i've been talking about for two and a half weeks or so here on the show but through your perspective as a as a as a as a fishing guide and somebody who spends a crazy amount of time on the water but a homeboy like me that loves the bay and this this question of the dredging or the continued maintenance dredging of the now deepened and wide and ship channel and what the core of engineers is uh gonna do with dredge boil right so it it to me in my eyes the the dredging effort of the channel it never stops there it seems like there's always a dredge boat uh i was upper upper upper mobile bay yesterday um and i saw three there was three dredge boats you know two two up by the river and then one halfway to gilliard island you know and it's just it's like i don't know it's just there's always someone which is always your gill yard i mean yeah there's always a dredge boat out there there's always some uh some dredge pipe running right and we have and for people who don't pay attention to this just to back up for a second this has to be done you don't i know 99% of y'all know this but once you dredge the channel it doesn't stay correct that depth you have to maintain that correct it's going to actually fill back in with the tide and storms and things of that nature but the big concerning thing to me with with the dredging and then just i guess their complete lack of disregard of where they're putting the spoil because they have to they they're basically digging up new ground and they're dumping it out in the middle of the bay and what that's doing is it's killing in an ecosystem down there the mud just because it's mud down there it doesn't mean that it's not important it's a reef it's actually a reef there's all kinds of things that live in the mud in the bay you got crabs shrimp gobies all kinds of worm dealings yeah all all kinds of little organisms and creatures that live in there that uh add to the health of the bay and uh you know you you can just we can look back in history and see where we've like uh kind of destroyed some ecosystems uh you look at like Chesapeake Bay right where they they wiped out all the poggy population right and you look at Mobile Bay and we have like shrimp is kind of like one of our uh you know one of the things that a lot of fish forage on and they're at the bottom of the of the ecosystem and you take that away and you could potentially crash all kinds of things ecologically right um there's another whole slew of things we could talk about okay but that's what it's destroying and what it's doing but i always try to find is there a third way and that's what it sounds like when i talked to William with that is this idea is not and i'm not putting words in your mouth but it's it's not to stop the maintenance dredging of the ship channel right to keep it deep and wide so we can get these big ships in here it's not the actual dredging it's the hey once you get the stuff you've dredged up what you're going to do where we putting it right and that's something i've been trying to remind people when i've taken this stand with with mobile beekeeper uh is i understand that the commerce and what the port brings to the port city mobile uh what what how important that is to everything you know to to a lot of things uh and so i'm not saying that we're against that i'm saying you know like what you just said about uh responsibly putting the spoil somewhere now in talking to mike oliver with the port and i think uh some i think even with William Strickland too and things i read i think the core is bound legally that 70 percent of it they have to use for beneficial use i think it's a term so we're talking about the 30 percent that they keep 70 30 percent can go back and they're kind of putting it in the water column right right and you're talking about it settling down as well and i'm going to get into that because i got questions from the text line but the other thing that worries me there's so much effort we've put into restoring oysters attempted i've been out there doing programs restore seagrass work sometimes then work other times this idea of trying to clear up the water in the bay right and if you clear it up then oysters and grasses can be deeper it clears up some more oysters and grasses can be deeper and you have this cycle of i mean we are a river system it's not going to be we're not a crystal clear but there's a lot of dissolved i mean who am i telling it's Richard Brolin but every time the day wind blows yeah look at Mississippi sounds good example wind blows and all of a sudden it's chocolate milk even though when the wind doesn't blow it's green right that's that's not really that's because there's all this sediment mm-hmm yeah no i mean it's a natural delta and that's what makes uh that's what that's what makes our ecosystem here around mobile base of rich mm-hmm you know is all that all that silt and sediment that naturally is supposed to come down uh from rainfall and things like that it re-nourishes everything but this is additive i guess this is yes very very bad additive in my opinion and they the idea that i forgot the term i was talking about this morning with Rob Holberg from Laniac but is it it's not spray and pray but it's it the way that 30 percent they they just do they pump it right out of the dredge pipes there or do they spray it out in the water where i mean how does it and they will run miles and miles and miles of pipe away from the ship channel from where they're actually yeah because you don't want to fill in your work yeah right and so they bring it a long way away and uh and then they're supposed to kind of you know they have like the pipe where it's shooting out all the material they're supposed to be moving that pipe constantly so that doesn't make just a big you know pile sand mound right in the middle of the bay um and that hopefully just putting a little bit of a layer across everything is not as destructive as piling it up right up right all in one area Patrick garmeson has uh he's told some great stories about finding humps in the middle of the bay from Judge Boyle right and then also he's told a lot of stories about uh from 25 and 30 years ago they used to go out and find these really fruitful areas in the middle of the bay where there's lots of shrimp lots of uh you know uh game fish activity where they would sit there and catch fish till they were tired of catching fish and those areas where you know there's have been some of the areas where they've been dumping spoil and it's gone there's no shrimp there anymore uh and and he's even talked to we both talked to some of the bait shrimpers around uh some places that they used to uh catch a lot of shrimp they've been dumping that spoil there and it's gone it's done the shrimp don't want to be there you know you mentioned uh Chesapeake Bay and uh no William Strickland mentioned Chesapeake Bay even closer here Biloxi I think he mentioned that what is what they're asking I think what Baykeepers asking is being done in places like now in Chesapeake Bay and Biloxi that they are for lack of a return there or better term they're keeping all the dredge not putting it back they're putting it for beneficial use instead of 70 percent it's 100 percent so that he's he told me and I have not done my own research on this but the core is not the core is doing this in other other bodies of water they are so it's not unprecedented to do this no it's just going to cost them a lot more money yeah and that's what it all comes down to well I mean this I'm on the subject way back when they were taking the sand out from the lower end dredging and putting in the beneficial use area offshore at the same time the federal government after a tropical storm or hurricane was paying you know females paying money to bring sand back in to dolphin island I was going I got an idea how about y'all just take that and put it on dolphin island but they said to me in a conversation back then and maybe Mayor Collier or somebody said hey they are bound by the law that they have to do with the cheapest way possible and for some reason putting it offshore and letting it come on to dolphin island was cheaper than just going ahead and cutting out the middleman and putting it off in island so is this one of these things that they always have to use the cheapest route if that's so what did they do in Virginia what did they do in Mississippi to make them break that rule I guess you know that's what I'm trying to figure out how big of a lift is this money how much money is it right and it uh you know back back to that conversation yeah they built these little spoil islands out by uh by sand island not dredging the ship channel and they're beautiful beautiful white sandy beaches out there or they were they're going now but uh oh you remember they built the island with all the with all the uh BP money yeah they built around sand and they got the lighthouse and I said that's not gonna last long but um okay so I a couple questions here first of all Adam says Sean you may know they answer the question but if not maybe uh you can or Richard I'll ask Richard he said are there any fish that hang out at or near the bottom of the ship channel through the bay if so what kind and do people fish for them that don't give up too basically yeah there's uh there's all kinds of stuff that loves that real deep water there uh I know you see a lot of folks uh fishing for white trout and I don't know if they're fishing down in the middle of the ship channel but I know at least on the edges where it's uh where it's uh a little bit shallower um I know it's a great place to catch a gafftop catfish they like that deep water uh and of course there's a lot of shrimpers that shrimp the edges of those channels as well and do very well and then you know once it gets on up into the harbor proper we won't even say there's probably no fish in that deep water there for nothing up there speckle trout there's lots of life there uh jerry says the dredging up on the alabama river is also causing problems for the mobile river i guess more sediment coming down right i haven't heard about that project uh this texture is asking you do you know we mentioned Chesapeake Bay and and then i mentioned Biloxi there do you know how they're doing now like with those efforts to not have the spoil do you have like is it working there i guess is what they're asking right now i have not i do not know that off top of my head the so i mean you're one of the of the captains around here but obviously y'all y'all are pretty tight at circle and talk is there i mean you shoot me straight all the time is there any disagreement or y'all pretty much all the same page when you talk about this what are you hearing i think we're all pretty much on the same page because the things i think about are like uh like the old time was talking about how much grass there used to be on the eastern and western shore up and down mobile bay that is all gone it's all just flat mud or sand and whatnot i feel like probably a lot of that boat traffic up and down those those ships even though they're don't look like they're moving very fast they throw a giant wake yeah be going down the west side they're soft showing one night mm-hmm that baby coming in that wave yeah they're they're i mean if you're not careful and don't know where you are and aren't looking for that it could really i'm surprised when it's gotten hurt by one yeah to be honest with you like have you ever been at Gileard Island and seen what happens there uh-huh it's a tidal wave that's when it hits those rocks we like surfs up maybe let's go you know like uh okay baby it's uh it's incredible we're talking about two things and maybe you know they actually depositing like you said all that sediment in one place it kills everything under the foot of it and the other thing maybe i'm not on but i'm the thing i've been worried about may be different is just more turbidity for the bay because we talk about seagrass so i got i got a great book you can borrow a guy that used to his stories of shooting ducks off of the uh out front of dog river in the forties and stuff we're really talks about all the ripping grass and that was out there but just you put more sediment in the water and that's just the light just doesn't get down doesn't get down as deep and therefore grass can't grow because it needs but that's what i just i think there's an effort and i wonder how much time and money has been spent for these projects for oysters and seagrass to try to clear up the water some to get the sun down further you know right that are we you know we we fight in ourselves on this we could be because government spending money also to finance projects to do restoration to try to clear up the water and another part of the government is going to be putting spore when the water which is fighting the project that they paid for on the other side right they could potentially cover up oyster beds that are that it'll silt them over and that kill that kills oysters yeah you silt them over so i just and you know i just look at things like this i don't know if it's apples to apples i'm not sure but it's interesting them government spends money to do one thing then another part of government spending money to do a thing that is undoing typical government left hand that know what the right hand's doing well said coming right back more with mr rutland right here on bid day mobile this is mid-day mobile with Sean Sullivan on fm talk 1065 all right welcome back it is mid-day mobile fm talk what oh six five are cast cat mr rutland and he's one of the voices out there that is asking if i get this what do you ask it what would what would you have changed in the way the the program setting out for the court i just wish they would be responsible about about how they're doing it the there's there's there's other there's other ways of going back and dispersing the the dredge bull and this is not potentially dumping it back on a reef you know or or potentially on a reef um we know we know we know you you and i during the break we're sitting here talking about oysters um the uh we had uh we had a oyster fishery that was pretty much completely decimated and it's come back somewhat through the the states efforts of uh re-nourishing the the oyster beds and uh and and i just really being responsible uh as uh setting the conservation limits and whatnot so that we don't over harvest like we've done zillion times in the past and uh and just not not making things worse we only get this one time you know what i mean we get we get mobile bay one time and if we destroy it it'll never come back uh it'll it'll never be the same again yeah and it's and it's really and it is diminished and it's still great it's you know my thing in your thing but it's still not where it would have been a hundred years ago right i hate hearing the old tile stories you know which i tell you the stories about what polecat bay used to look like that a friend of mine's grandfather used to talk about before alcoa went in there what i mean you bow your mind uh and once again this it seems to be at least in the discourse out there it seems to be shaped as a binary decision and i want to make sure that i'm fair to all signs so i have everybody in but i don't know if it is a binary decision because people with the the chamber are saying listen this is risking all these jobs right uh this thing this one thing could risk all these jobs but i don't i don't know how because it seems like if the core is doing dredging like they're supposed to in these other places Chesapeake and Biloxi they're still doing the dredging right they're just not pushing out the the dredge board they're taking it to better right or a hundred percent beneficial use so it can be done it doesn't well i mean the core is not going to quit right because of that right no uh one one thing they are doing i know you've seen uh the um the breakwaters they put along the causeway it go off off an island yes uh i believe that they're going to run and think about this they're going to run a dredge pipe from the ship channel all the way to there that's insane that's but it's got a beneficial use and it's great there's got to be eight or ten miles of pipe there but yeah to run the baby down that blows my mind but there's supposed to backfill all of that down there with with uh with spoil and that's it to create to create a marsh and that's what they said they're going to do there and then maybe other we have you know and it's what we you mentioned gilliard right in the gill yards they're for spoil and i mean i know this is probably premature but i got a discussion of the other day about it a couple years ago they had talked about making a new set of wetlands kind of gilliard-esque right you know and and and using that for like i'm i think that's all great i want i mean i want the ship yeah i thought that was a great idea too uh that they were proposing and they were i didn't like where it was proposed to go well me neither it's funny we did not we did not talk ahead of time on that that's i love the idea i just want it further south yeah it was too too little too close for comfort to where we do have some very pointless new right new wetlands not cover up old correct make new wetlands right a couple text here to get a bunch of them but i'm going to get to this one uh this is from sam's as sean good day i heard one time quite a while back that one of the worst things happened mobile bay was a neighborhood in daphne lake forest they say you can see the orange plume from outer space on satellite sam i've seen those pictures they've that used to be with red clay in those pictures but i think they've mitigated that a lot with silt fences and all that yep they uh i know they definitely got on on to uh onto those contractors and folks who are doing that same thing happen when they built bass pro shops over there a lot of that went into uh doll of bay right there on the eastern shore and uh i know i've talked to bass fishermen and uh folks who used to fish and all of bay a lot and it's unfishable you can't get in there anymore it's completely filled in right yeah and that you know you can see that ciltation this the whole bunch stuff even north of the causeway we'll talk about on a show in the future uh but this funny adam says sean is funny y'all mentioned shipwakes along gilliard island mutual friend of ours was talking about that yesterday he says that with certain wind conditions the waves are easily surfable and even tube up we need we need to make like those old opt shirts but make it with gilliard island the background so you're hanging tan and then okay this uh this from leo said i think it's not leo who is this moving around somebody here saying that uh roger sorry roger said they only want to sue the companies and organizations with deep pockets but the way i understand this leo and and we got just 30 seconds left here they're not suing to get money from the core they're suing to tell the core to to not deposit that dray school back and to be responsible with it is that your understanding yes uh richard i appreciate it by the way while we're at it uh people want to go fishing with you go but go but fishing find us on uh find us on the instagram very good all right thank you brother we'll talk soon thank you (upbeat music)