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So if you miss out today during the show, just look at my Twitter and I will give away some more for free for y'all who can't be here live or who might be here live and you don't get picked. So there's going to be some more chances to win a thousand dollars. Keep a look out on my Twitter. There you go. We got plenty to talk about. Let's start. Oh, let's, let's start with Shane McMahon. Shane on back. Over a million fans and a great number in the demo tuned in. It was a great show and I think it's been a run of great shows. So Fightful Select and WrestleTalk reported that Shane McMahon and Tony Khan, that private meeting in Arlington on Monday at a private airport. And it wasn't so private because a photo came out of, I think we have the photo. I'm going to pull this thing up. There we go. Wonderful. So yes, this photo came out. Tony Khan looks very stunned. Shane looks very perturbed. And it was not supposed to get out according to Sean. It was not supposed to happen. And then it did. And now the talk is Shane McMahon in AEW. Shane released a statement through bully Ray last night. Hold on, I'll say what Shane McMahon had. So this is from bully Ray who don't believe he's lying or anything. Pretty sure this is from Shane McMahon via bully Ray. So Tony and I were connected through a mutual friend and we had a great meeting. We talked about many things, but mostly about our shared love for the business and the rewards and challenges of working with family. I can congratulate him on the five year anniversary of AEW and look forward to how he evolves the business moving forward. So that was Shane's comment on the record of the meeting. Janssen, where are you at on this? Because a lot of people are upset. Then there are people like me who think it's the most funniest thing ever. Yeah. But I know I'm not the majority. So where are you at on this? I mean, I probably fall more on your side than the, I mean, I, so there's been talk for a minute about Shane potentially going to AEW. But if you obviously, so when it comes to gambling, I'm not going to give anyone gambling advice, but a lot of the gambling that I might potentially do allegedly has a lot to do with, has a lot to do with the odds. Like I'm not always taking people that I think are necessarily going to win something. Oh, well, if they do win, the payout is huge. So, you know, I might go that way when I normally wouldn't. So I just want to put that out there. When I say I would, like when it comes to Shane with being an AEW and like what I mean by, like by this, if I had like a gun to my head and someone was like, well, Shane was being good at AEW, yes or no, just like a yes or a no. What's your bet? I would have been like, no, no, I don't think Shane's going to go to AEW. Like, I really don't think that that was going to happen. I just, I just didn't see it, especially with how good the WWE has gotten lately. He can get back in there and kind of stick it to his dad if he wants to and like have like a good run with him not there as a part of the Triple H and Stephanie and Nick Conner and stuff if he fit in. So I'm thinking like that. And then this picture comes out and I'm like, oh shit, no, never mind. No, he's going to AEW. Like he's like, I don't think this picture went, but on the flip side, it's like, what I'm so confused about about this. So, so as I'm saying, I'm kind of thinking out loud here, but my thoughts have gone from like, there's no way he's going to actually go to. Yeah, he's probably going if he's meeting with Tony. But if the picture wasn't supposed to get out, then like, who knows? Maybe they were just really having a conversation. But like, I feel like there's, I feel what I'm one of the most confused about is who took the picture and how could they have not known the picture was taken. And then like, how did they not prevent it from getting out if they didn't want it out? That's my, that's my biggest thing is like, you know what I mean? Someone is in the room with them or someone they didn't know and didn't trust and just snap that picture. Tony looks totally thrown off. Like, like, what are you doing? And Shane just, it's funny because of the dynamic there. Cause like Shane's like, logging Tony almost cause like Shane's like standing, standing, punched over in like the power position and Tony's sitting down, you know, lower than him. So it's like, even just that dynamic looked kind of, kind of funny. But anyway, just one of those things where like how, if you didn't want that picture out, who took it and how did you not prevent it from getting out? If there's one person there, you could have easily stopped them, you know, from all the only thing I could think of. This is just complete reckless speculation. All I could think of is like someone took that picture. They didn't know it was being taken or didn't think whoever took it. It was really any kind of threat. And then that person must have shared it. And then it got out more after someone else had maybe seen it. I don't, I don't know. I just don't know how this gets out without, without them wanting it out. I'm like, I'm an agreeance, but apparently, you know, according to Sean, who, right? No, no, I trust Sean for sure. I'm just, I'm just setting it up. I'm just setting it up. Sure. Yeah. According to Sean is, it was not a weak thing that they wanted out. It was something that they wanted to, that they wanted to keep private. And then it, obviously the meeting got out, then the photo got out to confirm the meeting. I'm, I'm an agreeance with you of a, I don't know how they, I assume they know who took it. There are only so many people who are, like, they were looking clearly at the person who was recording this video slash taking this, this photo. Now that doesn't mean this person is the one who put it out there because, yeah, they could have shared it with somebody and it could have just. gotten out and that way. Maybe their phone hacked, don't know. You know, Mercedes joke that she took it. Maybe it's not a joke. I assume it's a joke. She put it LOL on there. I think I thought it was the beast more toast because he went from being on collision to being on dynamite to winning on dynamite. Yeah. But that's when I thought like they wanted it out there. And so, you know, he got rewarded for like, you do this where we're going to, we're going to throw something back at you. But now that I've learned, I didn't want it out there. I think the beast more toast, unless they're trying to throw us off the scent, you never know. It could be the beast. Just keep that one in mind. Everybody. Yes. So when we're playing as a question of what I've seen from a lot of people is, who is this for definitely not the core AEW audience and the people you were trying to get aren't going to stick around long term if they even tune in at all. And like, I agree with that sentiment. That's what I've seen a lot of like, this goes against everything AEW was supposed to be AEW is supposed to be the anti WWE, the counter to WWE, having a big man, especially like nothing against Shane. But it's Shane McMahon, who obviously passed his prime when he did when he was wrestling, he did cool stuff and he was fine, but long wore out as welcome on on these type of things. Having him on television is not very the initial statement of the AEW. I do think we can all kind of agree that AEW is not what it was not what it originally said out there. It originally said out to be, but it is obviously changed and evolved over the years where that mission statement that they originally put out isn't exactly their current goal and their current statement. They were supposed to be sports based wrestling and ranking systems and all that stuff and they've long gone with that. Like, their sports entertainment just like WWE is, they got learning or learning tree TV time, they got 20 minute promos with top guys and things like that. Like, they're, they have sports entertainment elements to their show that weren't as prevalent when they first started, even though they still weren't, you know, Jericho segments have always kind of been like that. I mean, I remember when the company started, the EVPs would literally talk about how like they weren't going to start their shows off with 20 minute promos, like that just wasn't going to be happening, you know what I mean, and then like they do plenty of 20 minute promos. So, yeah, so we can all recognize that it is not, it is not the original mission statement. It doesn't hold as true five years later, which is fine. Things change, things evolve. Totally understand that. But bringing in Shane McMahon is very far from what their original purpose was, and I do understand the core audience being upset about that because I'm kind of an agreeance of bringing in Shane brings a small curiosity from people who maybe are not watching or paying attention. But then what nobody really like wants to see Shane has a weekly television person. I don't need an authority figure gimmick. They tried the authority figure stuff over the past couple months. I thought it sucked. I thought they kind of mishandled a lot of it. And now, like, Shane's going to fill that role. Nobody wants to be an active wrestler. I don't think certainly not get the core AEW audience. You can't say that we're the best wrestler than put even though he's the best in the world. Yes, you can't put Shane out there. It feels like, and look, this is what I'm all for, by the way, bring out Shane, give him a lot of like, let him say what he wants to say. And then never use him. And just, that's it for it. I do think if he's hired in some capacity, whether it's an off-screen creative role, whether it's a business role, whatever it might be, I'd do a television segment with him. If I'm going to hire him, I'd put him on TV for at least once, for at least give him a lot of like, let him say stuff. And then if he's never on again, fuck. I'm with you. I mean, yeah, it's an interesting, it's an interesting idea of having him as a part of AEW and like, how does he fit and does it actually help their overall business and how. I think he could be, I think he could be a valuable asset potentially behind the scenes. Like, I don't, I'm sure there's, I understand that the con family has the business connections that they have throughout the sports world throughout the entertainment world. Like, it's not like the cons are going to have a hard time getting in touch with people, but there are probably some people that like, you know, Shane and the women family have had relationships with over the years that maybe could be beneficial to the AEW's business potentially like, the thing with Shane that it was always interested in so much throughout his, his career, which is really his life because we've seen so much of his life on screen, even when he was a kid, we'd see like, you know, little videos and pictures of them backstage or as a referee and stuff like that back in the day. And like, he always, I remember he'd like leave the company for like these pockets of time and like, at one point he went to like, Asia or like was working for like, working for like, some, some sort of like MMA promotions over in Asia or something for a while and like there was all these rumors of like, if UFC was going to get sold back in the day, when the fatigue is bought it before it before the sale went down like Shane was allegedly like pushing for events to buy the UFC so that Shane could run the UFC and like Shane, you know, was the original idea for like, you know, the face of WCW whenever WCW was purchased by WWF and all that stuff. And I always had this in my mind of like, Shane clearly had the motivation or whatever you want to call it to. Like, he wanted to do something on his own it felt like in this, in this space, whether it was wrestling, whether it was MMA wrestling, probably would have been tough for him because he would have been directly competing with his dad at the time and like, that would have been problems for a lot of reasons for that whole family, probably. And it's been an issue with Vince being out of the picture in the position he's in right now in the public eye and everything. There's not really a threat of that so it's kind of like Shane, what's interesting too is like, I have no idea what Shane's current relationship. No, no, no, I really want to speculate on this. I have no idea what his current relationship with like Triple H and Stephanie is. I have no idea how friendly they are, how often they get together. Like, I have no clue what their relationship is currently. So like, you know, if they're on good terms, you would think he'd just, if he wanted to be involved to go to the WWE because this is literally his opportunity to have a Vince list WWE. That's what he's wanted for a long time and now we can finally have that. But maybe he wants to stick it to his family for maybe various reasons and he's like, Hey, this, and the amount of buzz that does create at least initially is pretty huge. Like, man, in another wrestling company is pretty nuts. Like, when you really think about like Shane actually, like, imagine if like Shane McMahon would have showed up with like TNA and like 2005, you know what I mean? Like, it would never happen. Like, we would have never, that would have never happened. Um, so I just, it's, it's very interesting. But, but like to your point, I mean, the last time we saw Shane or actually Wrestle, it was that, that match where he got it. He injured himself, right? And Snoop Dogg had to like save it with the people. Yeah, the greatest match in history. Yeah, right up, right up your alley. Nice and nice and short. And listen, you got your Snoop Dogg credit for that as like, you see as it all looked for him to actually pull that off on the fly, like recognize what was happening around him. Somebody must have told him from the outside, like, yo, just, just do something. You got to beat the Miz. And like, he has enough knowledge of the actual WWE product to be like, I'm gonna sit my favorite moves in the Miz and we'll wait this work. So like, I just work for a full time, Snoop Dogg. Hey, hold it on the fly. Um, I, uh, yeah, I have, I have serious respect for, for that. You know, so like, I want to throw that out there too. But for Shane, you know, I always liked him as a wrestler. I, I thought you had some awesome matches back in like the 90s, early 2000s. Obviously his stuff with Kurt Angle was awesome. His stuff for like big show and tests and all that stuff, Xbox. Um, I was there live at WrestleMania in Orlando when he wrestled AJ Styles and that was that match. I actually expected it to be pretty good, but I feel like it even over delivered from what people expected. I thought it was like really, really good. Um, so I've always been a Shane fan. Um, him and him and his dad at WrestleMania is also good stuff too. So anyway, my point is, I have, I have a lot of love and a lot of respect for Shane O'Mac. I have for a very long time, but in AEW, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. You, you absolutely have to give him a live microphone. Like if you bring him and you have to do that at least once, you're 1 million percent right about that. Because that's the biggest value you could get out of him as far as like an on screen asset would be how many people tune in to hear what he has to say and what the hell is he going to talk about. You know what I mean? Um, so I totally agree there. And then I feel like he could be an asset backstage, but for him to be like a regular part of television outside of maybe like a general manager type thing, which, like he said, hasn't, has not been great up to this point on screen for AEW. Maybe there's potential there, but you definitely don't want him to be like a regular wrestler or even a wrestler who's beating any of the current roster of AEW because that completely contradicts the initial mission statement. And like you said, although the mission statement has changed quite, quite significantly over the last five years of the company, that's too jarring. I feel like even for that, like to have Shane come in and beat like one of your top guys or something in AEW. I just feel like it's a bad look. It's, it's not what the AEW audience probably wants to see. But as a fan of AEW and a fan of Shane, I, I do, I legitimately do want to see Shane with a live mic, the front and AEW tell you 100%. Imagine just what that man would say. I don't know if he'd go full scorched earth, but like he should, because he'd be lame if he was just like, it's great to be here in AEW. You know, Tony Khan is a great vision. Everything's great. He just says great bunch of, a bunch of times. And that's it. That'll be lame. Otherwise, what's the point? What's the point? I see people in the chat asking, yes, we are doing a rest rumble giveaway today for summer slam for the pick up contest. So keep those rest of rumbles coming. We see a lot of them today. We appreciate you all. And as I mentioned at the top of the show, give away some, some entries on my ex at Fight Talk Underscore tomorrow after Smackdown. So the entries will be live during the day and then I'll pick the winners after Smackdown. So we're given away restaurant entries today and tomorrow, so keep razz out for those. I know Meltzer reported that Shane wanted to return to WWE and they had no interest and this might be a leverage thing for them. Like, I don't rule that out for Shane either. If he was interested in going back to WWE. His last appearance was the blown quad incident where it was a year after the whole rumble fiasco, where, which honestly ruled, he would have beat up Brock Lesnar. I forgot about that. Oh my gosh, because he got like shunned from like the company after that, right? He's like the way he booked himself. Yeah. Awesome. Shane the man just booking him as a bad at booking himself as a badass who beats up Brock Lesnar. Amazing. He eliminated Kevin Owens in that thing. He eliminated Owens. He beat up Riddle and he wanted to beat up Brock and Brock was like, absolutely not. That's a funny idea. Imagine like pitching that. If you're Shane, you're just like, I wonder if like Shane goes to Brock without or Vince goes to Brock with that or whoever triple age, or like, I don't like anybody with a Brock with that. But I mean, just imagine like Shane telling that to Brock, just like standing next to me like, Hey man, what we're out there, you know. Shane, Shane wanted to fight Brock after that mania were Brock through the title events backstage, whatever many of that was Shane was already to fight him right then. So Shane, Shane ain't scared, man. Yeah. No, no, I don't think he's scared. I just think it would be hilarious to be like a fly on the wall in a room where it's just Shane and Brock and Shane trying to explain to Brock like, Hey man, you know what it is like when we go out there. Just cover up. I'm going to be hitting you with live rounds out there and make sure you're selling. Like, what? Fastest. Fastest hands in wrestling. Shane McMahon. It's over. Yeah. It's so funny because like he has some of the worst strikes of like anyone ever, but like, but he's, but, but, but the way he's like gotten them over is like that he's one of the best strikers and it's so funny. But it's, it's worked for him. So it's worked for him so well throughout his career. The whole, the whole, the whole package, you know, Mac has, has worked for decades. You know, so I'm not knocking at it. I just think it's, I just think it's funny because everyone sees it every one season out there throwing those like half, half pillow punches and stuff, but people just sell their asses off for and he bounces around like he's like he's put like a butterfly in like a being so funny. Um, but, uh, right. But anyway, weight is striker and a history of wrestling. Mm hmm. Hey, uh, uh, Keith Abe, actually, yeah, he's way up there. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I don't, I don't know, uh, I don't, that was a, that was a really funny concept though, the idea of him going in like him going in there. Like I'm a behavioral. I know you've got the, I know you've got the MMA background. Um, you know, you're like, I'm like a six-fight winning streak and you got it like you're from the UFC because of, because of weed. Um, uh, you know, but I'm going to need you to go out there and cover up, brother, because, uh, once again live rounds come in your way and I'm going to keep selling. So it's just so funny because you targeted like the most legitimate match. You're going to go out there. If you're going to go out there and prove you're the best striker, you go after legit shooters out there. That's the way to do it. Yeah, I love that. That's, that's so great. He rules. Um, he does. But yeah, I mean, whatever Shane wants to do, and I'm, I'm interested, like I said, I think it'd be, I think it'd be incredibly interesting. It would pop a big rating for UW. If it was advertised, I think it would pop a big rating for UW. If it was advertised ahead of time that Shane was going to have a live microphone open dynamite. I think a lot of people would be doing it for that. What's a big rating? Did they get a million? I think they get a million for that. I do. Because I think either you should put him on TV every week. If he's, you know, probably a million. That's 300,000 more than they're getting now. I don't think that they would pop a million every week, but I think similar to like CM Punk returns and stuff like that. It would, it would be. It would be enough. The reason I think that it's possible is because I think there'd be enough people that are WWE fans that don't normally watch that would be that would tune in to just add a curiosity to see what he has to say. Like enough people that don't normally watch A.W. would watch A.W. because they want to hear what Shane says. The last true draw in wrestling Shane McMahon. Yeah. Yeah. A.W. is going to lose a draw full time anyway. Soon enough, not an A.W. all in because he's winning. But he's putting his career on the line at A.W. all in. Brian Danielson. I thought that Danielson should have announced he was retiring last night because his contract is up but his neck is not healthy. And then Shane McMahon should have taken his place at all then. But that didn't happen. Instead, it will be Danielson against Swerve Danielson's career on the line. What'd you make of this segment, Jensen? Yes. I mean, I thought the segment was good. You know, Swerve calling himself the best in the world. There's a lot of people that claim to be the best in the world. That's a term that quite a few people have attempted to make their own. I can't honestly tell if this makes me more or less or interested the same amount that I already was in Swerve or Danielson because now now I feel like it's even more obvious that Danielson's winning because they made it really, really clear up until last night. That Danielson was ending his full time career. They were very specific in a lot of, in all of this, that it was his full time career was coming to an end. And that was done very meticulously, in my opinion, because Danielson was going to still continue to have occasionally W matches, probably have some dream indie matches, potentially even pop up in the WWE again for a match or two or something. Who knows, but like, I don't, I don't think that the intention is that, and I don't think Brian Danielson would want to put a, especially because he's had to retire in the past for years. I don't think he wants to put a, I don't know what the word is like, you don't want to pigeonhole himself like that and be, and even put it out there into the world like, I am done forever, because then he's going against his word if he ever comes back and he's going to have the itch to come back for sure. So, um, honestly, all the stipulation did was make it, in my opinion, make it more obvious that Danielson is going to win at all in, which I don't necessarily like, because I, listen, I think Danielson is going to win. That was my prediction. Anyways, before all of this, I do think Danielson is going to win it all in, but his career is on the line or not. But now that it is on the line, I feel like it's pretty much a lock that he's going to win. I would have rather that not be the stipulation because, you know, I would have been, I would have been less confident that Danielson was going to win if that stipulation wasn't there, if that made sense. I was always very confident Danielson was going to win before the tournament was even over about Danielson. The hangman entering the tournament was like the pause that I had of like, oh hangman makes a lot of sense to win this tournament and face swear. I was confident Danielson was going to beat Swerve at all. The retirement stipulation gives me more confidence because we know he's not going to fully retire. I mean, he's even said like, I'm only doing part time retirement, like I'm retiring full time as a wrestler, but I still plan on like wrestling basically until I can't wrestle anymore. And he's going to do any type of retirement. I think he's going to go on to defend it for a little while. And then eventually he'll lose it and then he'll just be a part time guy, but him putting his career on the line. The added stakes, obviously to the match and a lot of people felt it needed more because hangman is very hot and hangman seemed to be the feud for Swerve and seemed to be the biggest possible match for Swerve. And I don't want to add it's stakes with the Danielson putting his career on the line. They kind of cooled off hangman in a way by having him lose to Darby. I know you wanted to talk a little bit about that but what did you think of that finish? Of the finish of Darby and Amen. Yeah. It's another case similar to kind of similar in a way to the, the Osprey MJF lost the other week for hangman basically cost himself the match. I mean, he had, he had Darby dead to rights hit him with two dead eyes back to back and could have just could have pinned him right there and then had to go for that last buckshot and got rolled up. But I mean, I'm not against Darby winning necessarily because I'm a huge Darby can and I think he should be positioned towards the top and he's going to have a TNT title match soon. I think he'd be, he should be in the world title mix, which he also is because he won that a grand slam rumble or whatever. So that he's going to be getting a shot at the title. So there's a lot, there's a lot going on with Darby right now where he needs to be presented as one of the top guys getting big wins. So I'm not necessarily, I don't necessarily have an issue with him beating hangman. But the finish was a, I mean, hangman screwed himself. But I will say some of the spots in that match were nuts, especially the the fall away slam into like the just like the edges of the of the ring steps like Darby's a maniac for the stuff that he does out there. We take that for granted because we're so used to him doing this kind of stuff and that dude's insane. But anyway, yeah, I thought the match was actually really good. I really enjoyed it. I'm a huge fan of both hangman and Darby but I didn't really love that Heyman cost himself. But at the same time, that's kind of the story right as Heyman just like losing his mind and eventually he'll get back at Swerve. So that's how I felt about it. I liked that they did an actual finish. And when they booked this match is like, well, somebody's got to lose who's going to lose hangman losing made more sense because he doesn't have a program for all in. I don't know who he's going to face. I know everybody keeps saying Okada. But outside of like two little backstage segments and then a whole lot there Jared seems to be more of what they're setting up. And I don't know if I don't think that's a good match for Heyman. Like that's the story that they're kind of telling. So I get it. It makes sense from that story perspective. But that just feels a little weak. If that's the match like Okada. They have time to set it up more. You know, hangman continues to just lose his mind as he as he cost himself basically in Starby. You know, he would he upset the elite in blood and guts by just going after Swerve, even though I don't feel like that should have made the elite all that upset the way he was going after Swerve. So like there's ways to get there with hangman and Okada to add some heat to that going into all in. But I don't know if that's I mean, people want hangman and Swerve. Like that's what it's what everyone wants. And obviously they're not going to get that for the time being and hangman. He's a heel. He's doing heel things. Okada is a heel. So you basically doing a heel versus heel match at this at this show as well. And I don't know how that play. Like, I think people will be fine with it because it's two very good wrestlers. At the end of the day, they're just going to cheer the wrestling. But a heel versus heel match can be tough, especially in a stadium kind of setting. Face versus face matches work a lot better in a stadium setting. As we saw last year with Cole and MJF, like that actually played pretty well in the stadium. My heel versus heel match might be tough to pull off in a stadium setting. Yeah. And we're basically getting face versus face versus face this year with Swerve and Danielson too. I mean, that's Swerve's going to play that as the heel though. No, he is. But he's still, I mean, I've said it a thousand times. He's been a heel this entire time. I still feel, I still view him as the heel and a man at the baby case in this whole scenario. But it's just the way the fans are going to react to it and the way that they can kind of play into that week to week to, you know, kind of guide the audience. But like, yeah, they're clearly positioning Swerve as like the heel between him and Danielson. But I still think he's going to get pretty big baby case reactions. Like in the match is going to be good. And both guys are going to be getting massive pops. But at the end of the day, I think that the majority of the crowd is going to be behind Danielson in the eye, just the whole concept of him winning the world title and not having to retire. Fans are going to get really behind him. So, um, I mean, yeah, who does hangman wrestle at all in? I mean, I think, I think Jared is probably, it's probably a pretty good choice. But it's, for me, it's almost like, if you have no one else, just give me like, give me like a random like hangman versus Kyle O'Reilly match or something. Just give me like a banger or a match that hangman, you know, should win. Like, I'm just throwing out a random name, you know, but I should say random name. I'm a huge Kyle O'Reilly can't. I just want to see, I just want to see him and have a good match that he winds up winning and then moves on to Swerve soon again. That's really what, that's like you, like you mentioned, we're really just placeholders right now and tell until we get back to Swerve and hangman. But I don't think Swerve and hangman will be for the title unless hangman wins the title, which you've talked about before too, which us, you know, me and you on the show about maybe hangman is going to win the title sometime soon and then like he'll be the champion going to the next Swerve match. There's a lot of ways I can go with it, but they got to get back to Swerve and hangman. So it just kind of feels like anything hangman doesn't tell them just kind of like a placeholder. 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As in, they've got your back to school lunch favorites like snack packs and fresh fruit and they've got your back to school supplies like backpacks, binders and pencils. And they've got your back when your kid casually tells you they have a huge school project due tomorrow. Let's face it, we were all that kid. So first call your parents to say "I'm sorry" and then download the Instacart app to get delivery in as fast as 30 minutes all school year long. Get a $0 delivery fee for your first three orders while supplies last, minimum $10 per order, additional terms apply. He did it going after swerve the way he did, what should have been set up for all of them. I know it's not, but what felt like it should have been the set up for all of them. I've said this a lot on this show. The hangman is main character, he told you. The best thing they've done was the hangman story. Every time he's on screen, he pops off screen, he gets whether he's being the babyface or being the heel, he gets some type of reaction from the crowd. There's not a segment that hangman's not involved in that doesn't shine on these shows throughout his entire career, even like the dark order stuff. Like dark order seemed, it seemed just done with after Brody Lee's passing and the hangman managed to revive that, the best he could. And then, you know, they dropped it afterwards, but like every time hangman has done something, it has always worked. So to not have like a real concrete plan with him. I think not only with this feud, but in past has always just been odd to me. Like I always just think that this is a guy that should be, he should get as much care and attention to someone like Jericho gets, because Jericho obviously, I know he does a lot of his own stuff. And Jericho is always on TV, he's always featured, whether you like the stuff or he doesn't, or you don't. Jericho is involved in something and has a beat by beat story going, you might not like the beats, but there's a beat to the story with Chris Jericho. And I always felt hangman should have been in that same boat, and sometimes he just hasn't. Like right now, I don't think what they're doing now is disjointed. I think they are trying to get somewhere. I understand that maybe people are not liking it. But that's why I don't like, I don't like them just doing it. I think a random hangman page mattress is going to be a banger. But that's why I think Jerry is as much as I know people aren't going to like it, it at least makes sense for the story. So I think Ocada, while I will like it, I am not all, not fully sold on the story. There's ways to get there. A random match against Kyle O'Reilly on three weeks notice isn't the best thing in the world. Like you can get there, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm just throwing out like the idea of like, hey man, just needs to beat. Hey man needs to get wins. And I just want to see my good matches and get wins if these matches aren't going to necessarily matter right now because we're just trying to get back to sort of an hangman. So like, you know, I think Ocada and hangman would be a banger, but like you said the dynamic there's just strange in front of, you know, an audience of whatever they that that building holds what like 100,000 people or whatever like it could be. You don't heal versus heal that might just going to, you probably don't want to do that. So, yeah, now I'm with you. I'm with you. We can, we can move on though. We got a lot, a lot of WWE to talk about. But I just want to see hangman succeeding. I'm with you 100%. He does in a lot of ways feel like the main character of AEW since the company started so they should always have a plan in mind for him. To finish the story. In the WWE, the story never finishes. Reminder guys, if you are running late, like our pal Jake Shaw, who just left the Russell Rumble in the chat, you can leave a Russell Rumble in the chat. And you can gain entry into a random drawing that we're going to do before we run our interview at 10. And if you win part of the random drawing, we're going to pick three names. And if you win, if your name is Sean. You get entered for free into the Russell Rumble, WWE SummerSlam, pick a contest. Speaking of SummerSlam, it is Saturday. And for some reason, Cleveland, Ohio, it is going to be headlines. I guess again, by Cody Rhodes and Solo Succoa, I feel like that's going to be the headline match because probably Roman is maybe going to return. Maybe not. I don't know. A lot of speculation. Nothing confirmed or anything. But a lot of other matches on the card as well, including Jimmy and Priest against Gunther, Drew McIntyre against CM Punk with some Rollins as the referee, Bayley against Nia Jax, Becky, or not Becky, Liv Morgan against Rhea Ripley, Gunther again. Are you saying against Braun Breaker? Doing this all from the top of my memory. Not looking at any sheets here. I think that's everything. I feel like I probably missed something. The full lineup. Yeah, Priest versus Gunther, Bayley versus Nia, Liv versus Rhea, Cody versus Solo, Logan Paul versus Ellie Knight. Oh yeah. Yeah. Sammy Zayn versus Braun Breaker and CM Punk versus Drew McIntyre, which set frickin Rollins as a special guest wrap. That's the seven matches we have announced. Or at least official. All right. What are your thoughts on this? What are your thoughts on old CM Punk against Drew McIntyre? I know that's a big one for you. Yeah, I'll quickly talk about this. So on social media the other day, Drew McIntyre put up a tweet. It was a picture of himself and Jack Perry. And I happened to be on X at the exact time that the tweet was put up. So I saw it. And of course, for like so many reasons, I'm like, this is the greatest tweet of all time. This is like the level of troll job that Drew McIntyre is presenting right now. It's just so talked here. And when he put that out, I need to preface this all by saying, I legitimately think that anything that's been done between Drew McIntyre and CM Punk in this entire feud has been agreed to by both guys, even if it wasn't like to the exact T of like, I'm going to put this thing out like the two of them have some sort of agreement where it's like they know where the line is. It's a massive part of this feud. I've talked about this for months on this show. That's, I'll get to this in a second, but I've talked about this for months on the show about how the McIntyre and Punk story. This whole feud is a choose your own adventure type scenario because they haven't, depending on who you like in the side of the story you, you, you like or sympathize more with. It's a determining whether CM Punk's a baby face or Drew McIntyre's a baby face or heel in this scenario on screen punk. I think they've leaned more towards baby face, at least in recent weeks to kind of draw that line in the sand a little bit more or punk is the baby face going in. But if you listen all the promos and the stuff about Drew McIntyre talking about CM Punk, you know, hurting his career at the beginning of his career and all this stuff and in the response of the social media and all the trolling that there is done. There's a lot of reason to be pulling for Drew against Punk also. There's a reason to like both guys and it's just a matter of like, which side are you on. And that's why I think the social media trolling and the post and all that. It all feeds into this what I'm about to get to, because the way that's how I saw this when, when Drew put that tweet up. I was like, Oh, dude, this is hilarious that he put up this this picture with Jack because he knows what he's doing. He's like, I'm not going to show up, I'm not going to show up, I'm not going to show up. There's no way he put that up without punk being being okay with it. I do not think that, that, because these guys have done the day, they do have to work together with one another and trust each other and all that stuff and see on punks in this honeymoon phase of being back in the WWE and he's not, he's not trying to create enemies in the WWE right now. He's like taking pictures with all these people and all these shows like I'm actually, from that perspective, I'm actually very happy for CM Punk. It looks like he's found a lot of peace in returning to the WWE. The fan base is there for him. They love him. They're passionate. So it's, this is, this is worked out phenomenally for both Drew McIntyre and CM Punk. So I needed to set the stage there so you guys know where I'm coming from with all this. As much as y'all know that I'm a CM Punk hater, I can be, I give him his flowers when, when they're deserved, like I'll, his AEW on screen when I thought it was fantastic. I've been a big fan of his throughout chunks of his career. So when Drew McIntyre put that tweet up, I thought it was hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And then I was still on Twitter whenever he took the tweet down. I saw, I basically saw it happen. And I saw people starting to kind of like go nuts. So I went, Drew took it down, Drew took it down, Drew took it down. So I tweet. I'm trolling because that's the whole name of the game of this entire feud is like trolling people online. I tweet out fragile body, oh sorry fragile ego fragile body weak mind weak spirit, which is the famous Don Moxley quote about CM Punk. I tweeted that out the second that Drew McIntyre took the tweet down. Thinking in my mind, people might see that in most of the people who see myself are going to be people that follow me is how I think about stuff. They're going to see it and like maybe a few people will be like, oh, what if CM Punk had something to do with that. I don't actually think CM Punk had anything to do with that. But that was, that was, I was trolling. So I put that, I put that tweet up and I just didn't look at my phone for a few hours. I come back. The tweet has like, it's like nearing on a thousand likes. It's like, there's all these comments underneath it. There was three types of, there was three types of groups of people that were commenting. The first group of people were just were CM Punk fans. There's like regular fans that like, it might be overly passionate, but I don't mind that at all. Like, it'd be the same as me tweeting about the Minnesota Vikings every time I tweet about the Vikings or someone in the comments about how the Vikings suck about how the Packers were better blah blah blah. I view that as like, if you're just a CM Punk fan that's defending CM Punk, you know, I'm kind of not a big fan of his and all this stuff. I have no problem with you disagreeing with me and being like, dude, you suck CM Punk fools. That's no problem at all. That's all good. That's fair game. I know what I'm getting at when I'm putting up tweets like that. I'm expecting stuff like that. Then there was a second group of people that took things way too far that were making really out of pocket comments and legitimate threats towards me. And that I was like, okay, once again, I've been on the internet my whole life. I know when you put something out of the internet, like, if you're looking to get thumbs ups and people hit that little heart button and like your tweets and you're in your pictures and stuff, you're putting it out there publicly. You're just as it's just as equally fair for somebody to hit you up and be like, I don't like that. That's stupid. I have no problem with that. But there was some threats that were made towards me that were across the line. So all I did was I just reported those people and moved on. Not a big deal. Let the tweet up. The reason I took the tweet down was for the third group of people I'm going to mention. And this is honest truth. There was a third group of people that were attacking the fight poll over it. Now, I did not hear anything from Sean, I didn't hear anything from anyone else's fight poll about this. It was not a big problem. It was nothing. But the reason I took it down was because I didn't want people who would give or discover me for the first time, which were most of those people. They see my bio says that I work for Fightful, that I do the show for Fightful. I didn't want people being turned off from Fightful as a brand because they thought that I was mega bias because they thought I was a tater. And the main thing was I didn't want to feed the flames of like a dirt sheet writer or a wrestling journalist of any kind. That's just like making things up about CM Punk because of all the problems that that's caused. A lot of the hangman stuff, Ocabana, Young Bucks, Omega, Punk, all that stuff. Most of it stems from the idea that there were people in wrestling media that could have potentially been feeding BS stories around and that. So I didn't want to be a part of that. And I honestly didn't think it was fair because I think that CM Punk has done a phenomenal job being back in the WWE system and the bridges that he's been able to mend there with all these people that he had issues with in the past. It seems like everyone's getting along. So I just wanted to put that out there and let people know that like that was my whole mindset behind all that I was trolling and then the troll job just kind of got like a little bit away from me. And then I didn't want Fightful to look bad. Like Sean can say whatever he wants on social media, you know what I mean? Like he can do his thing. Like he is faithful. He's the face of Fightful. But I don't want to be the reason ever that somebody's like doesn't want to check on our brand or doesn't want to watch our podcast or doesn't want to go to the website because of stupid stuff that I might be saying. So just want to throw that out there. That was my entire full circle thing about CM Punk and Jack Perry and Andrew McIntyre. So what you're saying is you had weak mind, weak spirit, fragile body, fragile ego, and you deleted your tweet because too many fans took it the wrong way. Yeah, sorry my my my headset just my earphone just died. I apologize. Red as I was talking. Maybe I see him pumping and hacked me a second. Can you still hear me okay. Yeah. I lost you. Hold on. Sorry guys. My wireless headphones are so not working. Speaker Mike. Here I am doing this tremendous troll job on Jensen and then his headphones don't even work. Yeah sorry I've got you now. Um, but yeah no I, but I mean it was one of those things like I didn't, I didn't take the tweet down because of CM Punk fans being CM Punk fans I didn't take it down because of even like legitimate death threats I took it down because I don't want to be a bad look for, I don't want to be a bad look for Fightful. Straight up, I know, and then it's on super weak and super lame but like, I don't want to make Fightful look bad. I don't want somebody who's like a fan of like, you know, any of our post shows or something to see my tweet in me for the first time and be like I'm not shooting into fight 20 workers at this idiot. So that's why I assume people do that all the time with me. I, my whole Twitter is trolling and sarcasm. I get it every single day just about anytime I basically do a troll tweet. I get the oh look at Fightful they're paid by this person they're paid by that person. Alright, if you believe that if you want to think that I do not care and if other people are going to be like oh yeah Fightful I'm not going to check them out because they're paid by this person and I probably don't want that person listening to the show. If they're going to take that opinion from somebody. Yeah, I understand and I don't think that's necessarily the wrong mindset to have. I just personally don't want to. I just don't want to be that reason. You know, that's all it is. I've been here for like six years or whatever it is and I would just, and I just I don't think about it too much because I'm not very active on social media anymore I'm really not for people who don't know I was the social media for MMA on point for years to where like I was always on social media and I once I had to do that anymore in black. I just I just don't have that much interest in really being on social media much so whenever I tweet usually there's not a whole lot of interaction and when I do I'm usually assuming it's just going to be people that follow me that kind of know my vibe or know you know kind of what I like what I don't like in wrestling or whatever, but then whenever now then you have a tweet blow up and then like people from the outside that don't know you or don't know you're being sarcastic they see it then they see Fightful in the bio and they're like. Oh here we go another loser from Fightful that's just going to hate on CM Paul can make up stuff about him and it's like shit you're right I don't want to be a part of that so. No they're not right those people are not no but but no but they are they are right from the sense of like if you saw my because here's what I didn't realize. By the time I got back to Twitter there actually was a very strong online discourse of fans that actually believe CM Punk was the reason the tweet got taken down. So like by the time people were seeing my tweet they're thinking I'm a part of that that I was joking but then there's people actually thought he was the reason and then it's like oh no now it looks like someone from Fightful. Is agreeing with that like someone could view that as like I'm reporting that like that's accurate and like that's I just don't have anything to do with that. Because that's not what I'm doing but it could be seen that way and I get why it could be seen that way. Here's what she got to realize, Chancellor. We'll preview some of our slime at some point folks maybe. One do not care as much as like you have a conscience and I appreciate that and I respect that. Mostly people don't they are going to tweet what they're going to tweet and they're going to move on and they're not going to think about it anymore. Twitter works in general, I tweet stuff all the time that like is it taken out of context or maybe I do a bad job of explaining or it's tough to have a real discourse on Twitter like to have an actual conversation. What happens all the time with me like I even my serious tweets or when I try to do those people are like oh what do you mean by this but like when I talk about a w shows being too long or having too many matches. And then what happens is five hours later, maybe not even people just move on and they're all for sure thing that upsets them and they don't even remember who started it who said what like everybody just moves on. Sometimes I don't always do the best job but I'm going to delete anything that sometimes maybe I need to do a clarifying tweet or something but of course that's I can get the traction the original tweet does. But like you just got to realize here's here's the other thing I've learned in doing news for as long as I've done it and writing as many headlines as I've written I literally instead of watching dynamite I watched dynamite last night I had it on I paid attention. I was listening to a CM Punk interview transcribing a lot of CM Punk interview he's talked about the all in footage. Talked about a lot of stuff. Actually it's good interview it's a fascinating person. But you write these headlines you write these stories. One people don't even know it's you everyone just associated with Sean anyway. And two like all the comments on that the people you're serving the people you're trying to like I don't even know if it's talked to but the people you're putting the information out to like they don't care. They're they're they've already formed their opinion. And they're going to say what they say and then they're going to move on with their life and they're not going to worry about it anymore. Yeah, no I agree with all of that. My main thing was very simple as far as like everything you just said I think it's 100% accurate and that's mainly how I look at stuff. I think this is the only time I've ever deleted a tweet that it's always even like somewhat slightly controversial which this really wasn't. The last thing I want is though like I got a great relationship with Sean I'm the only guy for forever at this point I would just hate for somebody at Fightful to reach out to me and be like hey this is making us so bad. I would just I would just hate that I just I just want nothing to do like that. You know what I mean. You have a conscience and you actually care about protecting Fightful. I will say appreciate the position we're in do we're both in our mid 30s getting it. I mean I don't do this full time but I get paid a little something something to sit here and talk about wrestling with you guys here on Thursday morning is an over the weekend with the weekend or like eight year old Stephen Jensen this is the coolest thing of all time I don't want to ruin that over some stupid tweet you know what I mean like why would I do that. I will say this if you have if it's in the bio people pay less attention to that they never look at the bio. My bio has been 95% of my tweets are sarcastic for the longest time people still don't understand that I'm being sarcastic. But if it's in your I don't think it's in your like headline your title right you're just Steve are you Stephen Jensen of Fightful. No it's in my bio though it's like you know that I do the spotlight on Fightful and the weekend or Fightful so like but it's just my name on the but enough people like look at my bio and like straight up just said stuff about Fightful specifically and that's that was the thing was just like you're tagging Fightful was like this clown is by the way I respect CM Punk even more recently. This is unrelated but kind of kind of related. There's some people that actually that work for my company that watch this show but they'll like me hearing me say this I think I don't think I'll get in trouble. I called some I called some people in upper management clowns recently like straight up CM Punk style like it was it was good it was good it felt good I was like and after I sat and I was like I'm turning into Phil like I'm turning I've become a hero long enough to become the villain now so but yeah I called some people clowns and it felt pretty good. Let's move on from this Twitter discourse stuff who do you think's winning between CM Punk and Drew McIntyre. I think Drew McIntyre wins but I think it's mainly because of some sort of I we talked about it the other week and I think you're actually pretty much right on the money I think it's going to be similar to the to the summer slam and the yeah the Sean Undertaker Brett thing I think it's very possible that something happened I think Seth Rollins is going to for sure have to do with the finish. And whether he's going after Punk or Drew I think that Drew will be the one that benefits from whatever happens and I think Punk will get the win back at like Royal Rumble or WrestleMania they'll probably have three matches. And then you have Seth Rollins also you can do triple threat you can do singles matches with him versus each of these guys and stuff like there's a lot they can do with these three. But I think I think Drew wins this one this that's not me being a CM Punk hater this is I think just a better story. And once again, for all you see a punk fans I do think punk does get the win back eventually anyway so like all will be well for y'all too because I do think I think CM Punk's going to main event one of the two nights at WrestleMania this year. Ultimately so I think Seth Rollins unintentionally screws Drew McIntyre and CM Punk wins. I think that Drew probably should win because he's the one that's taking the short end of the stick every single time. Got screwed at Mania got screwed at Clash of Castle got screwed at Money in the Bank. Like he's the one that's been getting the egg on the entire time. And I do think at some point that's got to come back on Punk but it doesn't seem like yeah it doesn't seem like that's going to happen. This should be pontificating and predicting here. But it feels like Drew is going to continue to get screwed and I think my biggest reason for this is I've kind of worked myself into a shoot or been worked by Punk and look if he's working bless him he's done a great job. If they're doing the summer slam 97 spot CM Punk gets to be Bret Hart. And that means Drew McIntyre is the undertaker and Seth Rollins is Shawn Michaels so Seth hits Drew to set up Hell in a Cell bad blood since that pay per view is coming back. Punk has said he didn't do a no Hell in a Cell match. Again that could be him working of like yeah no we're not going to do that for the first match. Obviously this is not the first match between Punk and Drew. But it would be the first match for Punk and Rollins in Hell in a Cell. I guess they could have a match at Vash at Berlin since that's between the two shows. I guess they could do that and then do Hell in a Cell. Maybe that's the route but the way I'm seeing it is Seth accidentally hit Drew, cost Drew, Punk moves on to something else Drew and Seth at Hell in a Cell or at Bad Blood inside Hell in a Cell. And then you circle back around to Seth and you circle back around to Seth and Punk. That's the way I see it. Don't know if that's going to happen. I do think at some point Drew's got to beat Punk because he can't just keep losing and getting screwed over at every turn. He should probably beat him at some point but I don't know when that's going to be. Yeah. One also I think Drew for all those reasons I think Drew should win the first match because like you said he keeps losing in these scenarios keeps getting egg on his face. And also this is a good litmus test even if not even if this isn't the actual reality just kind of the idea of like the perception of that type looking in and people like me who fall of Punk's career as long as I have for a decade to this point across multiple companies in both wrestling and with martial arts. I think that it's one of those things where it's like, you know, if Punk loses then it's like this litmus test to have like, oh, how does he get a react? Like, is it going to be pissed off if he lost his first match back? Like, is it going to cause Paul moves back? It just gives people like talking even more I feel like. And it's like, I don't think that stuff is necessarily going to be true. It's going to be as simple as, okay, Punk lost. How is he going to respond to this? Well, he's just going to keep having a great time at WWE and keep mending fences and keep putting on a good match. Hopefully the other thing is his body to be honest. I mean, like he got injured a lot in recent years. Do you really want him to have to come back beat McIntyre right away and like, who knows how banged up he is after that? I don't know. I just feel like McIntyre winning this one is the move. And once again, it's setting up Punk eventually beating Drew later on anyway, WrestleMania or Rumble or something. But I'm so interested in this match. I wouldn't even have a problem with it being the main event of the show. And that's coming from the biggest Cody Rhodes fan in the world that wants to see Cody Rhodes main event every show that he's a part of. I think that Punk and McIntyre, they could be an event this and I'd be fine with it. That's how big this is then. I think this should be the main event unless you obviously have Roman. And that's why Cody and Solo, Cody and Solo doesn't feel like the main event match. But yes, if you have Roman returning, obviously you're doing that at the end of the show. But otherwise, like if you don't have that, I would have this be the main event. So you're not even creating the expectation because I think if Cody and Solo is the main event, that's going to be the expectation is, oh, Roman's probably coming back here because Cody and Solo just doesn't feel like the main event. There's going to be a bunch of run-ins. We know that like the blood bonds going to come in. I assume we get Kevin and Randy coming in and then obviously Roman is just coming at some point. Yeah. So they obviously need Roman to return in that spot because Cody and Solo as a main event just isn't that great because Cody, unlike Roman, when he was the champion, can't carry that main event like that. Wait, you say Cody can't carry the main event? Yeah. Solo. No, Cody, because he's the champion he should be able to, but they can't trust him in that spot unless Roman is obviously going to return. I hate how you're trolling me or not. You don't think Cody can be an event without Roman being involved? Yeah. I'm going to be an eventing this whole time. Cody and AJ, I quit match main event. I guess it didn't. Did that open the show? That opened back fashion. I think it opened the show. Didn't any of that? Well, anyways, as far as the predictions for the rest of the show real quick, I'll throw them out there and rest a rumble once again. If you want, if you want entries for us a rumble, we're going to pick three people off in the list. Just put the word dress rumble in the chat and we'll pick your names. Also, just so you know, I need y'all to give me, if you win these, I need y'all to DM me on on X before the end of the night on Friday, preferably before then to smack down. Sometimes people don't hit me up and then they get mad that, you know, they didn't get their entry and I make it really clear you guys, like, because I have to get these over to Russell rumble so that they can process them and send them to you. Like, so I need to hear from y'all if you win 99 out of 100 people hit me up, but I always feel bad for that one person that doesn't reach out, because I can't do it based on your YouTube names because they're going to be different than what they are on Twitter, you know what I mean. Anyways, as far as the predictions, I'm definitely taking Gunther over to Amy and Priest, I would have taken Gunther over anybody who was going to Russell at this show for the World Highway title. And I think it's obvious, you know, heading into bash or bash in Berlin that he would be the champion going into that show. I was making a pretty strong case I feel like for money in the bank where I like how it played out with McIntyre winning the money in the bank and trying to cash in and further the punk story. But if they weren't going to do that I think that the person that could have benefited the most from the money in the bank would have been Elliot Dragonov, like if they could have gotten him in that match and he would have won, because then he could have called the shot like RVD like a head of time and then like, me and Gunther bash in Berlin, and like that would have been huge, like for that audience and those guys put on bangs or matches against each other that would have been awesome. But I don't know who Gunther is going to wrestle in Berlin, but I think he'll be the champion going in. So I'm going to take him there. But honestly, most of these matches are really hard to predict in my opinion. Well, I shouldn't say really hard, but I like Bailey and Nia Jax. I'm pretty torn on live in Ria. I'm pretty torn on. I think Cody's going to clearly retain over solo and I do think that we get Roman Reigns afterwards as well. I think Cody's going to beat solo and then Roman will come out and be like, how's it feel to lose? You know what I mean? Talking about you can't lose. That's so lame. What do you think solo is going to win and then Roman's going to come back? I don't think solo is going to win. I don't like the idea of Cody basically standing tall and then Roman returns because that sets up Roman and Cody, which is fine, but it seems like they're going to go Roman and solo. I think you have to do Cody wins, but then gets beat down afterwards and then Roman comes out. I don't think it can be Cody standing tall and then Roman returns off of that. Like, solo has to be standing tall in some way, but I don't think he's going to win. That's a good call. I think that's probably exactly what will happen. I think that's a really good call. Cody wins, but then the bloodlines beating him down. Maybe tall at Tongue. Take a layo. Solo winning, by the way, and then Roman returning is my chaos scenario. They actually just go and put the title on solo. We do good numbers for this show next Thursday because people will be watching me tearing my apartment apart. Imagine if solo is the guy to the phone. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to get hung up on this too much. We only have 15 minutes before I clock him for the huge job. I'm going to go down a rabbit hole of my love for Cody. The real tribal chief beating Cody Rhodes. No, no, no, no. So I'm taking Cody over solo. I think Ellie Knight beats Logan Paul in this one for the US title. There's going to be a lot of eyes on this. A lot of social media posts. Summer slams a huge show. LA Knight calls himself the megastar. This is a good offer. If they're going to have LA Knight beat Logan Paul, this would be the stage to do it. It'll get a lot of social media buzz and it'll help LA Knight as far as being even more well-known in the mainstream outside of wrestling. So I'm going to take LA Knight. I'm going to take Braun Breaker over Sami Zayn. I feel like that's the only reason Braun Breaker didn't win their last time, which is to set it up for him to win the IC title here. I'm taking Drew over Punk. I'm going to take Liv over Rhea, but Rhea will get the title back eventually. And I'm going to take Nia over Bayley, but I'm really, really torn on that one. That one's tough, but I think both King and Queen of the Ring wind up leading as champions. Really? Okay. I don't know if Nia is going to win. It feels like maybe Bayley wins and Tiffany caches in. That's a good call too. I definitely think Tiffany is going to be the champion soon, regardless. I'm with you there. And I do want to give Nia a ton of credit. I used to bash Nia bad before she left the WWE. And ever since she's come back, I think she's gotten significantly better. And I actually enjoy watching her on the show at this point. She's one of my favorites, like, on ironically. And I've always liked Bayley. So I think this is going to actually be pretty good. Move on to our other spotlight. Our product is what it is. We're going straight up the middle. ROH Death before his honor last week, fell like a light time ago at this point. It was about a week. I think the biggest thing coming out of this was Red Velvet beating Billy Stark to win the ROH Women's Television Championship. Why did you make it the show overall and this match? I mean, I literally went on. Went on X right with this match ended. I just started refreshing Mouse's Twitter. I was like, what's he got to say? And I think he just said, like, well, fuck or something like that. But yeah, I mean, I'm definitely surprised by Billy losing a Red Velvet. I didn't see that because she's, I don't think, I don't think she defended the title on, was it you tweeted that out and Mouse corrected? Okay. Yeah. The title on television, but she had on like a house show or something. She hadn't, well, not even a house show, just an independent show. So she didn't have a single title defense on TV. Cage Match doesn't have her listed as a title defense at all. That's what I went based off of. Cause Cage Match will list like if she defends it at an independent show or anything. So Cage Match didn't even have that. Mouse explained the situation to me. I won't get into it, but he explained it to me and I was like, Oh, okay. But yeah, she's not listed as an official title defense. It's certainly not on ROH TV. She had proven ground matches, which are basically just eliminated her matches, which is fine, but no actual TV title defenses of the TV title, which is strange. Cause she was the, you know, she wins the championship and you figure that. I mean, considering Athena retained. I mean, I would think Billy is still the front runner to eventually beat Athena, but I don't know why they would have for lose to red velvet. The clean really, right? I don't think there was any like, well, they, they got a while. I don't think Billy's winning the title until they got a show. I think it's September, but they might wait until final battle. That'll be the three year anniversary of Athena holding the title. I think she, maybe two. Maybe she wanted it. I think she wanted in 2022. She wanted in 2021. I legit can't remember. She's held that title forever. It has, it's been, it has been a long time. So I think maybe it'll be, it'll be two, it'll be two years and then maybe she lose it there. So yeah, I mean, she's got a hell of a run with that thing. I thought her match was pre and am an auto is really good. I was convinced there towards the end that I am an auto might actually get the W. I know I chose her to win in the, in the predictions, which a lot of people disagreed with, but you know, eventually someone's got to beat Athena for this thing. But like we said, it'll probably be Billy, but I didn't expect her to lose. But yeah, outside of that, I mean, there was a lot of good rest of them on the show. I really like Lee Moriarty and we over Yoda. I thought the finish was creative. You know, I got, I got no problem with Moriarty being the pure champion. Von Erickson Dustin won the ROH six man titles, like the next, the next show, which was cool seeing them give that, you know, the title belts to Kevin. But yeah, there's not a whole lot. I mean, I thought like Mark Risko and Robert Sean was a solid match, but I really didn't expect Roger to win the title. So I don't know, I didn't, I definitely didn't dislike the show. I just, I just thought it was, it was, you know, it was good matches. I don't really want to see more integration of ROH on AW, but it sounds like we're probably going to get even more of that than what we had before. So I'm interested to see how that works out, but, but yeah, how did you feel about the show? I thought it was a good show. It seems like Ring of Honor, unfortunately, just seems like really inconsequential and like the grand scheme of things. That's just my own opinion. Well, I know we don't have a lot of time, but kind of briefly on that, Tony Khan more or less said, it's going to be rebranded to AWROH. What are your thoughts on that? That to me seems like a TV move. Like he wants to get Ring of, which I would imagine he'd want to Ring of Honor on television this entire time. I doubt that Honor Club is like the first choice. But if they're in these negotiations right now with the Turner Broadcasting Networks, that, you know, if they're saying, hey, we're really still trying to find a home from ROH and they're going, we don't really have much interest in promoting the ROH brand, but we'll promote more AWW. And then that's kind of their loophole is like, okay, well, then it's going to be done on like the back of the day over the TV guide or whatever they call it now. You know, it's like on the thing there that you read when you when you go to pull the show up, it'll say all the wrestling presents Ring of Honor or whatever, so people will associate with AWW. That's my honest thoughts on it would be you would really only make that change. I think if you're trying to get them on television. Right. They already do it. Like they already have a lot of ROH talent on AWTV. I mean, literally the world champion was on the show last night. They got pinned, which was surprising. At least like the guy in the match. Right, but but he's on the show. I think branding it as a WROH probably does boost visibility a little bit because I think that's one thing. WWE maybe falls a little bit short on when it comes to NXT is people just say NXT. Nobody really says WWE NXT. You know it's in it. You know it's WWE. But it doesn't it's not promoted as well as like there would be raw that would be SmackDown where the WWE is always in front of NXT is just kind of NXT. So I think it's going to help with the visibility of it, whether or not it leads to a bigger TV deal part of the TV package. I don't know, but it certainly seems like there's a reason why they would he would want to do that. And the TV would be the reason for that. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, I like you. Let's quickly hit our indie topics here. I want to give a big mother fucking shot out. Bloodsport was on Sunday with a lot of WWE talent involved, including the Creed brothers and also Shayna Baszler and Charlie Ditzie were all part of this show. Bloodsport is basically my favorite show of every WrestleMania weekend. And now as one off events, which they've been doing more of over the past few years, they did the Japan show earlier this year, which was a lot of fun. Now on Sunday's show was a lot of 10 fights over in like two hours and 15 minutes. What would you think of, yeah, that was awesome. The last Bloodsport show was not technically GCW branded, the one in Japan, and it was like a standalone pay per view. That was my only gripe of it last time with that. It wasn't a part of Trevor TV Plus, but this one was, and I appreciated that. Yeah, I thought the show was great. As far as the creeds. It was just cool to see them in that setting. They fit like a glove with their amateur wrestling backgrounds and whatever other MMA backgrounds they may have. I mean, Julius Creed. We talked about plenty on this show and on the weekend, or legitimate MMA fighter had an actual MMA career in Bellator and so on and so forth. Julius wound up beating Matt after hitting with like a seated lariat and some ground and pound and mckowski. I'm in a paraphrase here, but he tweeted something after the match about how Julius was like something like the most athletic guy or something that he like ever worked with, which then wasn't going to paraphrase him, but that was essentially the long lines of what he was saying. So that's a huge endorsement by mckowski considering his background and all the different types of wrestlers he wrestles all the time throughout the NBC and and stuff. So I thought Julius and Matt McCowski was really good. It was like a five minute fight. And then you had Brutus later on against filthy Tom Brutus, or it's just a filthy Tom rather similar to mckowski. Tom Lawler had a UFC career. And so they had decreed against two guys that like had actual MMA backgrounds. Brutus went in similar fashion to to Julius hit a hit a seated lariat for the knockout. But yeah, both both guys felt like a glove Charlie Dempsey I did not expect to lose to Royce Isaacs, but Royce has done great stuff. He has been a workforce in like a lot of these blood sport events so like it's good to see him get his flowers and get an underdog win over Charlie Dempsey He made him tap out to a regal stretch basically but like a bulldog took version so that was cool making Dempsey tap out. Baseler she's obviously made for a setting like this and she, she trained she's trained underneath Josh Barnett for decades. So I mean she this is like legitimately her this is her element being in a show like this so there's a lot of really really good stuff on this show I highly recommend checking out the whole thing from start to finish especially if you're a fan of MMA and pro wrestling. I think blood sport does the best job of any company as far as like the worksheet style and mixing all this togethers other companies that do it really well. But then there's also stuff we've seen like bad versions of like raw underground friends and stuff. But I love that you can even have a match like this people my Bailey versus Akira. It's like three minutes long and Bailey wins with a croc off left hi kick flash knock out you know what I mean the cure is like trying to fight the referees because he doesn't know what's going on like I love that type of stuff so so yeah I thoroughly enjoyed blood sport. Blood sport again I think it's always the best show so it's different than what you see because it's treated is as real I said this on in the weeds and I'll kind of repeat it quickly here. I wish they would play into the records a little bit more of this guy is has a really good winning record he should be facing this person like I wish they would do a little bit more with that. But that's, you know, instead of just treating like everybody's basically zero zero here's a cool fight for doing cool fight because I think they could do something with that I thought Shayna and Yamash it was really great though the tombstone being kind of a finish off of a kick as well to catch it. That was really, really good finish and the creeds were great Charlie Dempsey losing was very surprising. The other indie spotlight, gender Mahal the former gender Mahal Raj Desi the feeding Dominic Greenie to win the BLP heavyweight title. Yes so the way that this all went down is, excuse me Kevin Coo was the long running BLP heavyweight champion. He was recently injured and had to pull out a lot of the bookings at him and that VIF for planning to do. Coo fought through the injury to do the Dana Macabre retirement match at SCI weekend a couple weeks ago on because of the relationship him and Macabre had their very, very good friends and like that needed to be Macabre retirement match so Coo was able to get through that. But he couldn't make the match against Raj at BLP so instead they had Dominic Greenie who of course is a longtime tag team partner in bounces forever. Greenie defended a Coo's title against Raj at BLP. So that's how we got to that. And then Raj of course did wind up winning the title basically it was like a running super kick and then is a cloth like Cobra, Cobra Fudge slant that he he's known to do and pinned Dominic Greenie to become the BLP champion so I'm happy for Raj I mean in between that and he was getting regular appearances at GCW now. I'm interested to see how this all goes because he's a guy who I know guys like Mikey Blanton who run BLP like they were like filming at the mouth like the second that he became available they were like oh I'm going to book him as fast as possible. But I remember you know when when ginger when ginger left the debit to be years ago after like the three man bandstand. I don't remember him working in these at least US Indies I don't remember him doing anything outside of the debit to be and then he just like came back to the debit to be super mega jacked and eventually like got the world championship and that whole thing was a mess in my opinion that whole scenario but anyways, now it seems like he left and he's like he wants to have a legit indie run and I'm interested to see how it goes because he's always got a lot of a lot of experience and he is a former WWE World Headweight Champion and he has a lot of dream matches out there a lot of people who want to wrestle him and a lot of people who like they're setting up Joshua Bishop won the number of contendership for the BLP title over Jake something on that same show. And with Raj and Bishop face to face in the ring, and Bishop, it's just it's rare that you see Bishop in there against guys that are like his size are bigger, and that's something I'm looking forward to seeing more because now Bishop being a part of TNA more eventually I think he'll be an NXT or will be an AW or WWE or whatever, and although the overall average size of most of the people on wrestlers on television has, it's a lot of people a lot smaller than they were in the past on average. You're still way more likely like Bishop's going to be coming across a lot more people that are his size are bigger going forward. And I like seeing, I just like seeing that because it's like he just doesn't get that opportunity that often on the NBA scene. So I'm very interested to see Bishop versus Raj and a very happy, very happy for Raj. It seems like he's having a good time. He's getting to let loose he's cutting good promos. And I'm more interested in gender Mahal right now than I was in the last handful of years of him being in the WWE. He spoke to Dominic Greeny on in the weeds yesterday so everybody can go back and listen to that interview. He provides more insight about really the match with with gender and how that went and kind of everything that played out there and the aftermath of it as well. He also previews A.I.W. which they have a show tonight in Cleveland. So everyone check out that interview with Tom Greeny. All right, real quickly, we got to pick the names. One last quick call for Wrestle Rumble. Leave it in the chat as we get ready to to pick the names. Get you go over to Wrestle Rumble.com. Sign up if you do not get picked. But if you do get picked DM Jensen on Twitter, he'll get your free entry. He'll get all that set up for you. And let's get into the picking here. All right, we're going to spend the wheel. I hope everyone knows that I'm doing this on the up and up. No, no, he's using a random, a random, a randomizer on like one of those randomizer websites. So, yes, it is a wheel of names.com for people who maybe want to use it for their own gimmick. Brutality is our first pick here. Brutality is DM Jensen. And next we have as it spins. William Taylor. William Taylor. DM Jensen on Twitter. Get hooked up with a free entry. And finally, third and final name here is, I wrote down pile driver driver driver. It's pile driver finisher. So you guys DM Jensen on X Twitter, and he will get you set up for the free entry, the Wrestle Rumble Jensen. Let everybody know. Yes, I just opened my DMS on X. So they should be available for me to look at how driver finisher also I saw one of your messages from earlier in the stream about you going and going to David Buster's and it was tight the other day. So I'm glad you're having a good time. My game is baseball pro. If you, I believe it's called baseball pro. I always forget the names of all the games. There's a baseball game, the basketball game, football game, baseball, baseball, I put up 44 runs on that thing before. So go try it yourself and give me some props because you know that's my game. But yeah, shout out David Buster's. You can follow me on Twitter at Fight Talk underscore. Once again, please DM me before the end of SmackDown if you want a free entry for Wrestle Rumble so I can make sure that you guys get those on time. Please use code fight talk and independent wrestling TV. And listen to the weekend or podcast. Usually Sundays. It's been Mondays lately because of when indie shows have been running and stuff like that. I'm planning on, I'm going to hopefully do the weekend or on Sunday. I'm planning on going to limp biscuits Sunday night unless the weather's bad. So, you know, I've got some plans this weekend. Enjoy summer slam everyone on Saturday. Hopefully you win some money on russroumble.com. Good seeing you in the chat. Everybody good seeing you Jeremy. And I'm going to flocking for the shoot job because I'm already late. All right, guys, let's get into our interview with. Nacho Maine. He is up coming on the YouTube. Everyone, the links are below. You can go check out his channel. It's a very funny guy. Very funny guy. If you go listen to his videos, he likes a lot of bad wrestling, which I appreciate. You know, I love the bad wrestling. So let's get into it. Nacho Man. This was his first interview. He's ever done. So we were really happy to have him be part of the show and, you know, learn a little bit more about him. So here we go in the crater spotlight. Nacho Man. Welcome to the creator spotlight here on the spotlight. I'm Fightful. I am Steven Jensen. Join us always by Jeremy Lambert. Nargest today is a YouTuber in warning. He says a lot of bad word. He is not so mean. Nacho Man. They should join the show. Man. How you doing? Doing good. Doing good. I was just telling you before we got started. I came across your YouTube channel pretty recently. I think it just hit my YouTube algorithm just randomly. I can't even remember the first video I watched, but I just remember going down the, like, I watched video after video after video and I was like, this is so funny. The way you're presenting that stuff and the topics that you're choosing. So first off, congratulations because I'm very entertained by the channel and kind of what got you started and like wanting to be like a content creator in the wrestling space. Honestly, I was just doing it for fun and I was like talking about wrestling. I said, oh, well, let me see how it goes. Oh, nice. And so you started putting up videos and they started, like, you started getting views and you're like, okay, people seem to like this, and it's kind of rolling with it. Yeah, like, when I first got my 1000 views, I got more motivated because I make some more and I got more comments as it went on. Do you know what the first video was that really, like, people started noticing. The Harlem P1, but I'm at Johnson, that's actually everyone. Yes, yes, that is a great video. When they're basically like, not just referring to, if you guys don't know, this is when Ahmed Johnson came over to W two W and they tried to have him like replace Booker T as Harlem heat 2000 and he was like way more out of shape. Big T. It was not good. Big T. Big T. Yeah. I love that as Johnson. I thought in the, when he was in WWE F 1999 or 96, I guess with shot marks, he was in that he was next up and then just never happened. Yeah, it's kind of disappointing because I thought he was kind of cool, like a superhero or something like that, you know. Yeah. Yeah, he was the first African American Intercontinental Champion and everyone thought like, okay, he'll probably be the first African American World Champion also. And then he just completely fell off. It was bad. Well, he got in with the, he pissed off the wrong people. Sean, Sean wasn't thrilled with what was happening with them. He got a great face over there. Yeah. He pissed off the click and once he did that in 96, that was curtains for everybody. This game over. I mean, speaking of the click, you got videos of members of the click. People pretending to be members of the play. I should, I should say rather. I, some of these videos were so funny to me. He was like, I'm aware of some of these people. I've been aware of like some of the fake mankind's like out there on the NBC and over the years and stuff. But I was not aware of guys like Devin Nash, who was like, just a straight clone of Kevin Nash and the way that you describe these people. I think it's just so funny. Like your delivery. Because, for instance, in the, in the Devin Nash video, he's wrestling some guy called. Oh, I can't even remember. I can't remember his opponents thing. Do you have any, do you remember by chance not your man? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, there was, there was, I can't remember this was the match or not. But the way you describe it, like Devin Nash tried some Jack that I palab on this guy. And you're like, you're like, you know, Devin Nash goes through the jackknife. It was like he blows his back out and shits himself. Oh, it goes through the title belt for no reason. Referee tells him he hasn't won yet. And then the dude hits a self rock bottom, which with the guys, it's a flat lighter, but it looks like he gives himself a rock bottom. And that's why I was just laughing so hard now. Like, as you're saying this stuff, like you, you know, it's funny, obviously, but I think it's just, you know, like your delivery is so like, it's like you're not like laughing at yourself. But you know what you say, what you're saying is funny. So I just, I appreciate, I appreciate the delivery a lot. And the way you describe this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So rock bottom comes home. I watch him a lot. It's a good shout out. They're a great channel. I like the very stream of conscious thinking when you're doing these videos. It's just very like whatever comes in your mind. You're going to say it. Give your commentary on it. I was watching the Invisible Man Invisible Stand. You're just talking about Joey Janela. And you're just like Joey Janela and Enzo Amore. They got into a fight. Then they became friends. That's a good ending. And then just move on. It's like, I just thought of that. Like, it just kind of came into my head. Like, I like the very stream conscious and thought of doing the videos. Like, how much, like, so I guess my question is, do you have any type of script or editing that you do into it? Or is it just kind of, here's kind of what I want to talk about? I'm going to watch this clip. But just first thing that pops in my head, I'm just going to say it. Yeah. The first thing that pops in my head, I don't write nothing down. I just watched the videos over and over again. So I like it. And that's pretty much all I do. Another stream of consciousness that I thought was really funny was the video you just uploaded within, like, the last day, the Alabama Doink video where it's a fake doink and he's wrestling. Hide and write outside of a golden corral. And, and you're like, yeah, you can see across the street, there's a steak and shake. The fries are terrible. And I was like, yes, they are. Like, I hate, like, steak and shake fries. That's like the only place where I order onion rings instead of fries. But I just think it's so funny. But I think it adds to the video. They're good. They're good. They got good onion rings. On the two places I do that is a steak and shake, I do onion rings instead of fries. And at all of these, I get the potato cakes instead of, instead of their fries. The, the, the Iran McDonald's video I did. I was talking about like McDonald's, RVs, Wendy's, White Castle, all of that place. Yeah, that was the, the, what was it? Like, the Ronald McDonald's? Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was like, random Ronald McDonald's, like, wrestlers. Are you getting a lot of these ideas, like, from people suggesting them? Or is it like a mixture of that? And like, because I know in your video sometimes you'll mention like, I heard of this, but I never seen it, but like, you're going out of your way to watch it to make a video about it. Yeah. Yeah. People, a lot of people have been, like, suggesting me to, like, make videos on, on, like, stuff in the comments. And then I, I can make videos on, like, what do I feel like, make them on. Like, like, I'll, I'll have them on a joint video. This guy is, like, commented on my video, like, six times for me to, like, make that video. I was, like, fine. I'll do it because of, it was in the book around. Josh, yeah. When did you, uh, really get into wrestling? I already mentioned one of the videos, like, you're watching CZW back in the day. So, like, when did your wrestling fandom kind of start? Uh, I'd probably say, like, 2004, because I'm born in, like, 2000. So, so I'm pretty young. Yeah, you're making me a chance to hold right now. Yeah, we're building on all right now. It's okay. It's okay. So this is like, are we like a big, like, CNA fan growing? Are we like some of your favorite wrestlers? At least it was, like, CNA, Shawn Michaels, Ray, you know, Chris O'Waugh a lot. Gosh, dude. Oh, that's so funny that era too, because I've seen you do videos on, like, the fake Randy Orton and fake Batista that would have been of that era. One of them is wrestling for, one of them is Vincent for wrestlers in Ring of Honor and AEW right now was, uh, was a fake Randy Orton on the NDC, and then he became a fake Jeff Hardy also, which I didn't even know about that. It's how I saw your video. Yeah. Um, uh, people, people that knew him in real life started commenting on the video. I was surprised. Oh, really? Yeah, it was kind of awkward, but, but, uh, half of them didn't take it that, like, like, bad. They just said, like, uh, he's a good person in real life and stuff like that, you know. I guess the comment could be worse. Yeah. He's a good person in real life. Yeah. Oh, what if some of your, so, like, what are some of your matches that stand out to you from when you were watching, uh, younger, younger days? I mean, like, uh, yeah, I've seen this versus with manga. That's cool. Okay. We got our bloodiest stuff like that. I thought it was cool. And like, uh, I'm like an edge versus, uh, Cena, when you, uh, hit the FU off the top of that or, um, to the tables. I don't have a match, it was pretty cool, isn't it? Well, what do you feel, um, about, oh, sorry, go ahead. And I remember, uh, the spirit card versus a DX few little bit. I used to cry whenever they lost the DX. Oh, we've been here last year. I was like, we've all got those moments of our childhood favorites losing and then crying after that. Jensen cried last year when Cody lost. So, yeah, I remember my 30s and, uh, so many of last year was not good. Yeah, this year was great. Big redemption. But last year, I don't like, even though I like Cody, I was happy to also ask you because I like my brain more. I respect that. Oh, okay. I mean, I do respect it. I disagree with you, but I respect it. I mean, that's, that's a cool thing too. So like, when, when he comes back, what do you think is going to happen? Like, do you think that him and Cody will be on separate shows and both the guys are going to be good guys or like, do you think there's not enough room for both these guys? Like, what do you want to see Roman beat Cody and get that title back from eventually? What do you want to see from Roman when he returns? Not wrong. We've done with this title. He can be a good guy. Everybody, everybody turned for them to come back. So he can be a good guy. And then the rock coming back to we can be healed. Roman's coming back on Saturday. I'm going to be there. I'm going to pop so big. Oh, I'm jealous. I'm going to be very cool. I like that for a second. I love that. I'm fine. I hope he lays out Cody on Saturday and he just stands tall over all of them. I hope that's how the show closes. Roman Roman Roman just he wipes out solo. He wipes out Cody. Bring out priests or Gunther. Wipe them out as well. Travel chief just back. Reclaim in his art. Do you think that the rock is coming back to? That would be something. I don't think so. I don't think so. That would be huge. I'm largely expecting Roman. I would not be expecting the rock. So that would be something if the rock came back. Yeah, he might show up. Like if we could take a lay on that Roman, I'd like it. But I'm I'm expecting Roman. I don't really watch any of his matches. I seem like this with his, but I don't know how much about him. He's improved a lot over the years. He was he was like fine, but kind of awkward because he's a bigger guy. Like he's taller and it felt like he didn't know how to use that size for a while. And then he really grew into things and really learned how to use his size in the ring in New Japan. So like he's he's good. You know, not Jacob Fatu love, but he's good. Yeah, speaking about Jacob Fatu, sometimes I feel like he should be the leader instead of solo. I'm not looking forward to him and Cody and some of them. Oh, solo and Cody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, are we all in agreement here between the three of us that Cody is going to beat solo. It's honestly I'm going to paint the title. Do any of us see solo winning this thing? No. Do you want me to troll you? No, you don't even have to answer. Jeremy, Jeremy likes to give me a hard time because of how much I wanted to see Cody win this title for all these years and it finally happened. But I'm with you about Jacob Fatu, by the way, not your main. I cover the independent wrestling scene here for Fightful. So I've watched Jacob for years and like the talent is 100% there and he's in better shape right now than he's ever been in physically. I think he's way as far as everyone who's currently in like the current version of the bloodline. I think he's far the best, the most entertaining. So I'm with you. I think that Jacob and Cody could be really interesting, way better than him in versus solo, I think too. Yeah. Personally, right now, I say solo as like a tag team type of guy, you know, instead of like a leader. Yeah, I'm with you. Who else, outside of Roman, who else do you really like right now and like today's whether it's something to be or any other company? Brian Jamson with the coach. Sometimes I'm yelling when he's not trying to kill him. So Christian, obviously, and Jevon Evans. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Gunther in the area. Those people are like. That's a great list. Jevon Evans, I got to see him wrestle a handful of times on the NDC and here in Atlanta before he got signed and that dude is super talented, super talented. I was like, yeah, that was quick because like, he's been around for a while, but like really started getting some steam over the last couple of years. And now it's like he's competing for the NXT title and he's in like the main events of those shows. So like, he's, I think he's an have a really good career there. At least I hope he does. I'm really, I'm really curious to see what he does on a main roster. And, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm also waiting for lucky Ali to come back in the rain. As long as he debuted, he fucked up his leg. So, so I don't know what's going to happen to him. Yeah, that's a good call. Speaking of NXT, I appreciated in your dusty Rhodes clone video that it was also recently uploaded about was his name dirty Rhodes. You said something, another stream of consciousness thing that I caught. You said something like, what if dirty Rhodes started his own NXT like dusty Rhodes and called it NFT. You all remember that bullshit. That's so funny. But man, that's good stuff, dude. Like, though, like your videos are thoroughly entertaining and they're getting good views, man. Like, this is a, this is something where I've seen you. You say on Twitter that you'd like to do YouTube full time. I mean, is that is that anything that's like, you know, tangible in the, in the near future, do you think? Do you have other stuff you got going on like outside of YouTube, like, you know, content creation wise that you're trying to put it all together to do it full time? Yeah, I'm working full time right now, but I'm a YouTube partner. So, so we know it. And plus, I'm a, I'm a like, educate you on that one came good. Yeah, I did. So, I was, I was surprised I made that many views on it to be honest. Yeah, blue cane was like super hot for a while. I mean, he just did the WCW match against Cardona as well. So yeah, he was super hot for a while. But they, they, they were trying to do that mess for like a long time, I think. Yeah. The package is a blue pain. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. But yeah, the, the re, the repackaged the blue pain was hilarious. How they had a whole like video package like revealing the new blue pain and it just crossed out pain and put pain there and that was, that was it. He said that got 82,000. Yeah, I see it right there. It's one flow wars, man. That's good. Dude, I don't even know about the next video you put out was about the macho warrior Rick Hogan, who is literally combining macho me and Randy Savage Ultimate Warrior Rick Flair and Hulk Hogan. I'm like, what do you think is the, is the mindset behind these people macho man, like that you, that you've been making these videos on? Do you think most of these people are just a combination of like they've seen this work so they're just trying to get themselves or how many are actually trying to just see the audience into you thinking like we're actually seeing mankind live at a show, you know what I mean? I think some of them are just fans that don't have that much creativity. I think they'll have, I'll give my scanners if I'm like that, you know. Yeah, especially the someone like that, that, that I don't want to sing a lot, someone specific here because there's so many people that you've covered, but that, that one dude, I think it's Dick Foley who actually looks a lot like Mick Foley did. You can hear people in the crowd that literally like they think it's Mick Foley, like, and then Mick Foley wound up like, like season assisting or suing him or something over, which you definitely should have. In that case, I think that's messed up, you know, I don't have so much of an issue of someone doing like the homage and it's just a really corny kind of lame version of somebody. That's kind of more funny than anything else, but when you're actually deceiving the audience and you think that you're paying for like a mid-foli autograph and it's Dick Foley, that's where I think it's kind of messed up. Yeah, for real. Do you enjoy the kind of the bad wrestling aspect of a lot of this stuff? Like the characters are the rip-offs of characters who have gotten over, but like the actual wrestling, like do you find it more entertainment almost in the bad wrestling compared to, you watch AEW or you watch should be most of the time. You're going to see like a four or five star, five star mess. Do you like the bad wrestling aspect of this stuff? It depends on what it is, like the joint video I did, that one was funny to watch because you were breaking the car and stuff like that, what the hell is this? They fought across the street and the fans didn't like fall over across the street to watch it. That might be true. Yeah, that might be like a, like here it comes with pain when you're going to be right backstage. Hell yeah. Yeah. You did like grab on like a helicopter and stuff like that. Yeah, that's perfect. Agree. Agree 100%. What other video games you like or whether the wrestling games are otherwise? Wrestling games, they're reckoning, night down versus roll, stakes, night down versus roll, 11. I haven't like a 2K 19 because I had a chain wrestling, so 2K 24 is okay. Sometimes when it's not like visioned out. Like every time I try to play my friends though, it would just kick us out wouldn't even go into the game. But I like, I like a Call of Duty design needs and like a GTA. I look like games I could like train myself in mostly. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. The WWE game. I mean, I know I got the 2K poster behind me here and all, but like I think the actual game is a lot of fun. Like me and my brother both play together like in the same room. So like that's fun. We do tag team matches. We do a lot of these like 30 man gauntlet matches and stuff. So from that perspective, it's been a lot of fun, but the online never works. No matter what year the game comes out, it just seems like you just can't get in matches. And when you do it glitches out or it's really cheap for the strategy is you have to like, you know, use spam moves to win and stuff. And that's the one thing that I think has been really missing. And it's also disappointing that I think a w fight forever just like wound up not being very good and that was going to be like the big alternative. And it's like we need to go to online wrestling games. Hey, you scanned the hell out of me with that. I bought that game. I was so disappointed. How much was the free order again? Do you remember? Like, uh, seven or eight dollars. I was so mad. I thought playing after like a week. There was definitely nothing to do on the game. Yeah, that was the big complaint with the AEW game is like once you played it. Kind of the road to the elite. Once it was just sort of all right. What's that? Like, there's no customization suite, which is a big reason why the WWE games still perform so well is everyone just uploads. Like, oh, you can play like basically as Kenny Omega in a WWE game because you can make it look just about as close to Kenny Omega better than an AEW game, honestly. And all his moves are in there and everything where the AEW customization suite is like, you got like five generic heads and 10 maybe outfits and good luck after that. And then online was, of course, not that great and didn't handle too well once it finally did. And they tried to do the stadium stampede where I think people were on that for like a day. And then after that, it was like, all right, never mind. This is what kind of over this. Yeah. Have you guys seen the DLC that they dropped at one time for Tony Storm? It's like an outdated version of her even? Oh, yeah, that was. Yeah, that was the other big thing is like Swerve wasn't in the game. He was the champion, you know, within a few moments. Oh, Joe just got in. Yes. Oh, Joe. They just added Jay White was added not too long ago. Yeah, Tony Storm was biker. I guess biker rock star Tony Storm, not timeless Tony Storm. It's like, cool. I'm going to play an outdated version of Tony Storm. Ryan, he's not in the game. So yeah, it was it was already very out there. I mean, the fact that like Cody was in the game and see him punk was in the game. And both guys were out of the company by the time they came release. Oh, this isn't the best look here. I remember that one thing that they had. It was called a baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's accurate. Yeah. The day w game was disappointing. Unfortunately, like I think they had a shot there with that stadium stampede mode to like maybe do something cool because like the battle royale genre is like so big and they just. I think I think the last time I watched like any kind of video on it, there was literally like seven people playing online in the world and it's like that's insane to me. Yeah, you guys like that one wrestling game fire progress on it. Oh, I play I used to play fire pro all the time and then then it came out again for like the PS4 and I got it back on that but I used to play that thing on like the original like PlayStation two or three. Yeah, and the customization on that is really good as well. Like it came when they did the partnership with like New Japan, it kind of got popular again, but then the partnership with New Japan did last very long and then it wasn't like an updated type of thing. But again, the customization is so good on that game and there's like unlimited options on the stuff that you can do. And the fact that it is like basically sprites instead of really created characters like really detailed characters like it's so easy to just like, oh yeah, you know who this person is just based on little outfit designs. I need to play Dave reckoning because I grew up on the, well, I grew up really on the Sega Genesis and like the Super Nintendo era when I was a kid but then I had a Nintendo 64 and that was like the real golden era for me of gaming and wrestling games like W7, W, World Tour and Revenge and WrestleMania 1000, New Mercy and all those, but I didn't have a game queue. So like, I didn't get to play. Was it WrestleMania 18 and Dave reckoning on the game queue but I've heard that those games are awesome and I have heard you mentioned in your videos before that you were a fan of those. So I do want to go back and play Dave reckoning like nowadays and see how it holds up because it's probably still a really good game. Yeah. It's better than like the new wrestling games in my opinion. They got a lot of features in there. You know, one thing that wrestling games have gone too far is like it's almost too realistic is that I think that's the beauty of wrestling games. That's why I love the smack numbers for all games is because you can do things like fight outside and climb on a helicopter and run people over with cars and everything and like the damage wasn't, you know, the damage was what it was on those games where now you mentioned the 2K19 where they had like the chain wrestling stuff. You said you like that, but I know a lot of people are like, I don't want to start every single match with like a grappling lock up and let's do some chain wrestling and then let's get into the match. Some people just like to almost sandbox play of let's go outside and fight and let's just do a bunch of dumb shit and not take any damage and just keep it keep it going and just play like that. Yeah, I think that would be good. I have a friend who literally when he plays the the WWE games, he starts it to where he has like masked out like specials and finishers and just goes into steam rolls the computer like that's what's fun to him like does no competition is going on just stupid, just doing stupid stuff. Yeah, anyways, what are some of the most requested videos you've got right now as far as like ideas that you're thinking about doing? Probably like the worst wrestlers. They won't be doing the video on that blog though match. Yeah, I might do that video in the future. I'm going to get a lot of kind of right playing stuff so I got to watch out. Yeah, I might be able to let me know if you're interested I can probably set you up to talk to a wrestler who has wrestled Yoshihiko if you wanted to get any insight on that for video ever. So just so you know I know I know some of the opponents of the Yoshihiko and I. It's a that would be a very funny video for you to cover because it's similar in a lot of ways to like the invisible man where it's like, you know, a person versus nothing and trying to make it work on their own. I think there's one match or it was the guy wrestling a tent. He's wrestling a what? A tent like a candidate a captain tent. A tent? Yeah. Oh, no, I have not seen that. No, I got to watch that. I was not the name of the guy but he would go like outside spots with the tent and everything. It was crazy. This is Dan the dad bit. Dan the dad would wrestle a tent. That kind of amazing. I guess you know, I take off some like that. I forget where I find it again. We own that too. Oh my gosh. Were you aware of like I really liked your Ninja Turtles video? Were you aware of like these Ninja Turtles and stuff before you did that video and what was it like going back and watching the people in these in these turtle outfits and also the fact that I'm going to call it out for what it is and I don't want any heat with this man if he happens to see this but Jim Cornette is quite the hypocrite considering the things he likes to make fun of and he has wrestled a Ninja Turtle. Okay, it's on camera. So what was it like making the Ninja Turtles video and you didn't have any knowledge of that before. Most of my knowledge was like I used to watch the show when I was a kid like like the mid 2000s show and I used to watch like three of the movies but that was like a long time ago. It was like it was like one of those movies where like, you know, like still like cartoony but like three years to kind of like I don't know. That was the ones that had like Seamus voicing the character, one of the characters I think. I didn't think is what you're talking about. Yeah, I think I think that's why I think because the one so the ones that we grew up on were like the live action ones in the 90s were like people were in turtle suits similar to what they did on the on the rest of the show actually just not as bad. Those look kind of creepy. I like. Yeah. The promo is even worse. Like when they were trying to cut from one of them sounded like Eric Hartman like underneath their thing. It's not a really funny trying to sound intimidating as a Ninja Turtle. Do you do you say the new Ninja Turtle movie by chance that came out last year? Wasn't a ice cube son in it, right? Yeah, a whole bunch of people were in it. It was that a mutant mayhem movie. Yeah, John Cena did a voice on it. You did. I think I've seen it. I thought it was pretty easy. But it's not really like my. I'm not like Patrick anymore to be honest. Yeah. Well, what about like. Yeah. What's our good? Well, what about what about like Mario because like you did that video right after and that's kind of similar around the same like if you were grew up on Mario kind of grew up in Ninja Turtles also. I like uh, I like to Mario Kart. That's what I'd be about. Mostly. I played like uh, I forget what the levels are. But just those. I played like a little bit. I wasn't, I wasn't too big on Mario because I didn't have a Nintendo and all that stuff. I only had like a week. I got it. I got an Nintendo Switch but I only played that much. I only played it during like COVID. Yeah. Yeah. I have a switch also. Do you have a switch Jeremy? Yeah. Yeah, we all did. We recently Mario Kart pretty often actually. Yeah. We split Mario Kart. The kids always play Mario Kart. The most played game on the Nintendo Switch is they uh, it's Animal Crossing. When it first came out. Yeah. I never got any Animal Crossing but I know that's a huge game. It's kind of like Minecraft in a way. You stuff on the island and you have to build your own village. I've got, I've got 12 kids. That's a, that's the kayfabe number. Uh, and they, they're big on the, the Minecraft. So Minecraft and Roblox is what they play all the time. Roblox game crazy nowadays. Roblox you can, you know, cause it's like an open world game thing. There's a different games you can play on that. Some of the stuff they're telling me that they're playing like, I don't know if you should be playing this. So I gotta actually like monitor them with what they're playing because they, they play some like absurd games that would never fly for us. But like it's all like animated. So like yeah. You can kind of get away with it because it's not super realistic. So it's like, well, that's, that's how they explain it to me. It's like, well it's animated. So like it's not real. Yeah, but like you don't need to be breaking out of jail and Robin people. Uh, even if it's animated. They got like a call of duty on there. And then they're just like it. Yeah. On Roblox? Yeah. They got a lot of stuff on Roblox. I feel like you'd have a lot of fun on Roblox. Well, see, I always thought that was just like for like little kids. Like I know what Roblox is. Um, but you know, I was, you know, day one, I downloaded Fortnite literally the day that it became available because it was free back in like 2017 or whatever it was. So I mean, that was kind of, I mean, still, I mean, basically considered a kid's game. I would think kind of similar, but, um, I never got into Roblox. I never got into Minecraft, but I know that both games are absolutely humongous. I know Minecraft has like a huge resurgence during COVID as well. Um, but I guess for the same reason because you can kind of do whatever you want in that game, right? It's like it's like an open world, like create your own kind of reality type thing, right? I mean, Minecraft for both of them, you know, aren't both like kind of similar. Roblox and Minecraft. Yeah. Roblox is like multiple games. Like you can play like people create their own games and you can like play different games. Like you can play different realities, I guess, if you want to call it, but they got like a bunch of different stuff on there. Minecraft is, yeah, you kind of like create your own world and build stuff and they do different things depending and like different modes and whatnot. It's very open world, but Roblox, like you can play. Yeah, the kids will play like a Barbie type world and then they'll play a like natural mane was saying they have like Call of Duty type stuff. They have like GTA type stuff. Like there's a bunch of different scenarios you can play on Roblox. It's like a, what's the word that I'm looking looking for on the cornucopia? I don't feel like that's the right word, but like that's what it is. Like it is like a lot of games into one. You can put this up on Minecraft, but mostly what I do is make a house and I start playing it for like a couple of months. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, I know Fortnite tried to like and they still they probably still do. I just haven't logged on in a while and they kind of did the same thing where it was like they had like a lego version of the game and then like a like a rock band version. They're trying to make it to where like you just log in to Fortnite and it can play any type of game that you want. I think GTA probably is similar nowadays. I haven't, I haven't paid much attention to GTA, but I watch streamers every now and then doing like the live like role playing with it and stuff. And it's like if you want to, you can just go like play a game with balls or play a game with a tennis or whatever or like go gamble or I mean like there's so much stuff you can do in those games. When does the new GTA come out by the way, there's like hype for that now, isn't there? Oh, even though they they still add a new stuff to the GTA 5. They add and shoot it with cars and everything still and I don't understand why. That's wild. I think it's been a long time, 10 years probably already. Yeah, they came out of like 20 points for me. That was the big joke of when college football came out a couple of weeks ago, it was like, we got a new college football game before we got a new GTA game. That's wild. Man, I'm just looking through through the channel here and just just looking at just all these concepts for people who have not seen your videos before. How would you describe your channel to them? Kind of like a reso crab just funny random stuff that I like talking about. Pretty good description. Are you familiar with this is kind of random, but are you familiar with the Lucas Bros? No, no, you should check out their stuff. Your delivery reminds me of those guys. They're two big wrestling fans and they're standing up comedians and they used to have a show called Lucas Bros moving company. And it was like this cartoon on it was like the animation domination block years ago, but your delivery reminds me of those guys. I think you'd like that show a lot. They're hilarious and they're big wrestling fans. Yeah, the show is Lucas Bros moving company. And the first episode is literally I won't groom too much if you're going to check it out, but like the first episode is literally about like Jake the Snake Roberts and Jake the St. Ashley voiced his own character in it. And they have to he's going to release DDT on the community, which is more than just this finishing move in this in this in this world. And they have to go higher. They have to figure out a way to reverse the DDT. That's the whole story. And of course, you know, to do that, they got to find someone who has the reverse DDT, which is staying. So it's like about finding staying to battle Jake the Snake. So it's, I'm not explaining it very well, but I think you just, I think you enjoy it. Okay. That's kind of crazy because I'm making a video on Jake the Snake too. Like the heels of wrestling, I'm going to pose you on that show. Ooh, you might actually want to check this out then and maybe throw a little clip in there or something. So yeah, yeah, check it out. Awesome. I'm glad I was able to maybe help out with it. Maybe your future video a little bit because I'll definitely be watching the video whenever you put it out. So. Heroes of wrestling. Now we're talking. That was the worst. That was the worst. That was the worst. That ruled. Yeah. And I first, when I first seen it, I had to stop watching it like two times to finish it. Yeah. It's very up my alley. I love bad wrestling. Good wrestling happens too often. Give me like the worst of wrestling. Yeah. It's like the worst. It's the worst. Yeah. That was the show where Jake the Snake came out like completely unable to wrestle. I can't remember who his opponent was supposed to be, but I remember him being a real bad shape for that thing. A night heart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was. I think it was supposed to be a tag match. No. No. At first it was Jake the Snake voice. It's not hard. But then, uh, date the Snake was who talked up the job during, so it is made it tag match with the management. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was. Yeah. It was something. Yeah. So you said you're, you're putting it together. Were you saying a video on Jake the Snake or on Heroes of wrestling or both? He was wrestling, and I'm going to talk about Jake the Snake for a little bit. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to definitely keep a lookout for that because that entire show was awful. It wasn't bad wrestling shows and that one seems to always come up as like the worst. They, uh, they have like two decent. Well, well, decent matches for what it was on the show. That's about it. Do you remember who the decent matches were? Scorpio versus Julio. Fantastic. Well, uh, I say, I say a Scorpio because, um, I like, I like to score, uh, to call Scorpio. I think it's, uh, pretty underrated. And, uh, the other, uh, the other, uh, decent match was, uh, Bob Orning versus Jimmy Snooker. Which is pretty wild that that wound up being a decent match considering when those, how like old those guys were when that match went. Down. It can essentially compare some of the rest of the show. Two gold Scorpios are going to shout out. I mean, he's still wrestling. So this day on the indie scene and stuff. He's still out there hitting four fifties and tumbleweeds and everything. Uh, I've seen him. I've seen the rest on like, uh, 2022 black labor pro over here. Man of taste saying two gold Scorpio is underrated. One of my favorites of all time. Never got the credit. He probably should have deserved. Never got the breaks. He should have. He should have had two gold Scorpio. I remember seeing him, uh, you like a, uh, like a verse. Uh, 450 splash. The leg drop, but, but it landed right on his opponent's face. Yeah. It's something to pull off. Man, you're missing. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Or Booker T used to do the Harlem hangover off the top rope. The front flip leg drop and it was an awesome finishing move back in WCW. But I think he stopped doing it for the same reason where like, if you miscalculate that just a little bit, you were just asked straight the head off the top rope. Um, that's one of my best wrestlers too. Booker T is the man. He's the man. I always love Booker T. Um, you, I think you mentioned one of your videos. I may have been, I can't remember which one it was. It might have been one of the really recent ones, but you mentioned, I think. Bastion Boga and his finisher and you're like, yeah, it's, it's right on your head. Like this cousin's got a sock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That one. No, the video or the band, the image you use, not only is he sitting like on their chest, his, his groin is right in their face. I mean, it's just got to be just the worst, the worst position to be in. No. No. No. No. No. We, we ever, I'm sorry. If I'm looking at the X part. The Bronco Buster. Yeah. But, uh, you know, that time, uh, he missed it and he started bleeding down there. He's talked about that. Yeah. He, uh, he, he claims that he tore his asshole. I mean, I'm not exaggerating. Like he claimed. Yeah. I mean, it was apparently really, I think it's certain, it became asshole surgery, which I, I don't even know exactly. But that's how he describes it. I remember hearing him talk about this years ago. Imagine. Yeah, for real. Yeah. That move is tough either way because whether either you hit it and it's like super embarrassing and just rough on your opponent or they reverse it. You risk either tearing your asshole on the, on the turnbuckle or they put your, they put their foot up and you just go nuts straight into their foot on the way in. It's your crotch wide open. So, yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a risky one. Oh, not something as we, oh yeah, as we start to went down here, I don't know if you can, can show anything off. But one thing we like to ask all of our guests is what the coolest thing is in your room. Right now is a, that's a big shirt. You don't got a lot of friends. Oh, that's very cool. I love that. Yeah. It's a group of wrestling group of my friends. We, we, we do a play like video games together like wrestling games and then he made a group and then, and then invited me to it. Progressive wave. Yeah. Do you want to get a big shout out for that? Absolutely. Yeah. That's awesome. Do any of them like, are they making content as well? They've been kind of inactive, but, but because like working stuff like that, but, but they're coming back into it. So, you know, they make a, you took content, took content on it. That's awesome. Russell wave, you said. Yeah. No, no spaces. Well, shout out Russell wave. I see that you, uh, you have a, a nacho main shirt of your own on right now. I saw you're promoting it in your new video. I will be purchasing one, just so everybody knows. So you'll, you guys will see me wearing one here on the screen. Uh, whenever I, I'm going to buy order that tonight and, uh, wear that soon, try to support our man, not show man over here. Um, small YouTube channel, but it's, oh, absolutely man. Small YouTube channel, but it's growing fast, dude. And I got it. I appreciate the grind. Um, I know you're uploading often and a lot of goes into doing what you're doing, whether it's the editing, the research, the scripts coming up with funny stuff on the spot to say. Um, and then of course, having an actual job on top of that. So you're doing this in your spare time, basically doing a full time job and a part time job or maybe two full time job group of stuff. So, um, as a fan, I appreciate it. Man, when I see, when I see your new video, I sit my, it might be because I'm subscribed now, so I don't have to just rely on the algorithm. I just get it right when, right when you upload. Um, and, uh, I look forward to your videos, man. And I appreciate the grind. I mean, but thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Go buy his t-shirt, everybody. That's a good t-shirt right there. Not sure. Not your main. This, uh, this shirt is inspired by, uh, the logo is inspired by, like, the old cartoon network logo and, uh, that's your W on sensor. Thank you. That's, yes, that's what I thought it was from was WCW uncensored, which featured the greatest match of all time. The doomsday cage match with the Alliance to end hulkomania against hulk Hogan and Randy Savage. That's my favorite match ever. Ready? Oh, yeah. 100%. Not, not bullshitting. Love that match. Well, because we were playing kids. I love it now. I don't mean to be in the kids. It's still great. One, uh, one of my favorite matches is, uh, is, uh, I want to heart it, but it's red heart. It's red heart at WrestleMania where it's a match. That's a great match. Classic match. Yeah. That's a great technical masterpiece of the Alliance and hulkomania against hulk Hogan and Randy Savage. But close. See, these were the kind of things that, like, when I got into wrestling, I was, I was born in 1988, and, you know, you were as well, right? Same year, 88. Um, so I got into wrestling when I was, like, six. It was probably only 1993 or so. And, like, when I got in the biggest villains in wrestling, because I was watching WCW of, uh, from Atlanta. So I watched, like, the Taskmaster Kevin Sullivan and all these, all these cronies that were joining him from WWE F for the dungeon of doom. Um, but, like, I didn't know of their WWE F run. So I just knew them as these people on WCW because I was just a little kid. So to me, this was just fantastic stuff. I knew about the renegade before I knew about the ultimate warrior, like, I was seeing stuff, like, so backwards. Um, then, like, most people were as a kid. Um, but I loved it because I was a kid. You know, it was great for us. I think you do. I think you do when those, you know, the end. I'm still pretty upset about it, but, you know, we got kind of a spiritual, a spiritual successor in AEW. It just took, like, two decades to, like, eventually get that. Um, I loved WCW. Uh, it was still one of the most surreal things ever as a fan. I still remember watching the last nitro in my, my parents old house when I was a kid. And, uh, I did. I, I, I still like the, I still like the current TNA. Um, I, uh, I covered the pay-per-views here for Fightful. So I really, I really liked their, their four monthly pay-per-views each year. Um, I think the, the product's still pretty good. Um, I really liked it in, like, the early 2000s. Like, I loved, like, the, pretty much right when WCW stopped, I did jump in early days of, like, Nashville, TNA. And I was watching, like, AEW styles and Gary, Lynn and, amazing, right? And, like, all those guys, too. I think, I think that was a great era. I ain't got a lot. I came up on TNA again after, uh, Shelly lost the moods on the, uh, revival episode. Because, um, I wanted Shelly to be, like, the longest reigning champion because he won the OG's. And, uh, I was, I was, I was watching TNA from the 1,000 episodes to the, to the revival. I was a gay book because I don't like the book anymore. Mm, interesting. Do you have any thoughts at all on, uh, like Nick Nemeth being the champion now? Have you seen any of, because he just won the title recently? Uh, I like some better in, like, 2011, but, but, uh, I'm glad that you're getting at the recognition right now, though. Yeah. I know you mentioned in, in one of your videos that you, uh, you started watching AEW. I think you said, like, 2022. So you missed the first few years of it live, but you're not, like, super interested in it currently. Like, is that still? Cause I don't know exactly when you record all your videos. Like, are you, are you into the current product at all? Are you still like AEW not so much for me? Uh, no, uh, I watched like a few wrestlers on it. But, but, but like, like everything else is good by the end. So for you mainly WWE and then like the bad wrestling you can find to make videos on? Yeah. Uh, I still have it turned on AEW, but I don't pay fully attention on it. Like, but my brain's turned off, you know? Yeah. I hear you. I don't, uh, I don't hate AEW though. I won't, I won't, I won't come to the CD also. Yeah. I think that's healthy. I mean, whether you're a fan of both or one or the other, the fact that AEW exists, I think. Cause the funniest thing is the wrestlers are the ones who benefit the most from it because they're the ones who get leverage and can get big contracts and the pay scale changes and is competitive and it makes everybody better. And then the fans all fight each other over it and the wrestlers are like, they don't care. Like, they're, they're all friends with one another. You know, they don't care what would come, you know? They want their companies to do well, but like they're not fighting over it like the fans are. So, no, I think you're totally right. Um, yeah. Anything, anything, uh, this has been my last question, but I guess, uh, anything that you want to really like see happen in wrestling? Like, do you have any kind of like dream scenario, a favorite wrestler? Would you ever want to wrestle yourself if you had the opportunity? Uh, if I were to wrestle, I would want to have like a one match or something. I don't know when to, uh, yeah. And, uh, I want to have, uh, I want to have the rock have like a big, that's a maniac money match with somebody because that's my favorite too. But rock is going to be Cody. Oh, sorry. Uh, but it has to be like absolutely good though. Or else I would just call you. Yeah. Well, Jeremy, I know we were going with this and I'll ask you right now, I guess not to me. And this will really be my last question, but when the rock and Cody go one on one, these it will happen. They're obviously been setting this up. Will the rock beat Cody or Cody beat the rock? Cody, you're going to be an image obvious with the tag team. Very sad. The rock should win. Like Cody should never hold the title again. He's like the DOC boss. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love it. Thank you for joining us this evening. Let everybody know where they can find you at on socials and your YouTube channel and plug everything you need to plug. Pretty much every one of my ads is a natural main. 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