Ben & Woods On Demand Podcast

9am Hour - Last Segment w Ted + Eno Sarris Calls In!

Ben & Paul kick off the 9am hour with one final segment with Ted Leitner in-studio and they ask Ted about “The Incorporator” segment with Jesse Agler which gets a few laughs from Uncle Teddy. Then we discuss whether or not everything is okay with Michael King and if he’ll pitch for the Padres this weekend before we’re joined by Eno Sarris from The Athletic for our final segment of the morning! Listen here!

Duration:: 41m
Broadcast on:: 01 Aug 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

So my goal is to, you know, someday get to retirement where our guest Ted Lightner has has caused it. Now you're not fully retired. I am not retired. I hate to do this, but Dick Inburger's like that at the end. He did not want to hear that word and we get done with the game. We take the bus to again to San Francisco to the hotel and Dick and I are walking across the lobby and a bunch of Pottery fans always came up to LA and San Francisco still do to see the team, see the boys and somebody else said, hey, Dick, enjoy your retirement. And Dick lost it and said, I'm not retiring. I don't know where you heard that from, but I'm not retiring. And I said, Professor, Professor, easy man. Take it easy. They don't mean anything by that. But broadcasters, like whether it's Dick or me or whomever, and whether it's you, we love it. We love it so much that it becomes part of us and we can't think of retirement. And I would have never thought of retirement had I not started to have big time eye problems from glaucoma. It's not a secret. And it's much more difficult to follow those little balls, even the big balls when you can't see. But you always have a job, even, you know, no more TV, even when the radio and the play by play are done. And as great as you were at all of that, thank you, you are bar none. The greatest event host, moderator that has ever lived. And you know, I think back to the many events that I've attended over the years, Tony Gwynn's Memorial, where it wouldn't feel right in San Diego. I mean, you could be doing that forever. You can. And I don't understand because I get nervous when I stand up in front of people. This is it. This is different on the radio. I can't see the audience on television. I can't see the audience. But when I stand up and there's people there, I get shaky and nervous and you look so comfortable and there. How do you do that? And you get that big, wet spot on both sides. And then you do a joke and it's crickets and you think, I wish I was dead. You look so comfortable. I really wish I was dead. And let me tell you, for any, I tell this to young groups, groups of young people all the time, or groups of not so young people, that when, and they did research about this, that people actually fear public speaking more than dying. Yeah. Chinatown always does that joke about it. So you mean, you're telling me you'd rather be in the coffin than give the eulogy. That's what you're saying? And that's the deal. And I, I wrote this in my book several years ago, would cut school and face the wrath of my father, whose temper was just to the left of Genghis Khan and know that I was a dead man when they got home. But I would not get up figuring on going by the, get the elves or going by where we sat in the row and have to give an oral report in front of 15 people. And I would cut school. That's how fearful I was of doing that. So so many times that I stood at home plate by myself or with Jerry Coleman, emceeing and I would take a deep breath and look at the upper deck full of people, 40,000 and be so excited and so can't wait. I love this so much. And I start to laugh. I start to laugh and say, how the hell is you wind up standing here? You couldn't get up if I had 10 or 15 people or put two, three sentences together. And I tell people, you can overcome that. Like Muhammad Ali always said, you got to confront your fear. He had a fear of fighting. He had a fear of fighting and didn't want to fight. So somebody stole his bicycle. You've heard that story. And so he goes to the gym and he trains. He trains. So he's going to find this guy that took his bike and beat the crap out of him. And he did. And find out, hey, hey kid, you're really good at this. Your hands are so fast and you're this and you're that. And he became Muhammad Ali, that kind of a thing. And so I just, when I do that MC stuff and love it so much, the contact and the immediacy of the reaction, I cannot believe that it's me. And I can do it. Amazing. Anybody can do it. It's your master of ceremonies. Thank you. Ted Leiner. So I appreciate that. And the same thing with going through all the criticism and it's difficult when you're being criticized. Even if your own management does it, sometimes you go through that. I remember working for Joan Crock and who I was close to. But we had the jailathon for the cancer society. I believe it was cancer society. The jailathon where alleged celebrities would be arrested by members of the sheriff's department and the police department. And they would be held in jail until they raised enough money to get some people would bid. So Mrs. Crock called the cancer society and said, did you arrest your Ted? Yes. Okay. I will give you $50,000 if you keep it in the jail. And they said, no, that's not how it works, Mrs. Crock, no, that's what I want you to do. And this was someone I was close to. And she wrote them a check for $50,000 in there till late at night, not overnight with the drunks and then whoever else. Okay, guys, it's over now. Funny. All right. Funny joke. It was always like that. It was always like that. And even the ones I thought were, you know, I was close with the owners, but still you're saying stuff about them being in collusion back then in the 80s, I would mention that on the air and Mrs. Crock would call the CEO and say, oh, hey, paying him. Why? He said, we're in collusion. Well, you are. You are. I can't be honest and took all the other owners and kiss my owner and say they're not when they were in 1987. So those kinds of things, but you have to have people who will let you get away with it or you're done. So don't think you're so great and you're so talented. You're there because people are supporting you and that's why you made it. So when you were at, when your schedule was at, it's very busiest obviously and I've got the morning show and the, the TV at night, but you had play by play like late 80s, early 90s, like what was the, the maximum Ted Lightner in your career? The maximum was 1998. Okay. When I was doing the sports in the morning at 715 and 815 with Hudson and Bauer, a wonderful fun time just to laugh and laugh and laugh. And I was just, and people thought Mack was the, was the, the straight guy. No, no, Mack was the funny, the funny guy. Joe was the straight guy and then together they could both be funny together. They brought this, the humor out of each of them and just to be with them for that four or five minute segment was just unbelievable to where we would laugh and laugh and laugh and trash sponsors. And this sponsor would cancel because I said something about them. It happened one time and they said, what happened to you? They said you're all delayed on your flight and all that stuff in the back of my mind is that shut up, shut up, shut up. They just warned you about talking about sponsors. What, what, until Mack says, what, what, what airline was it? And I can't say, of course you can say you run the airline, don't be, don't be a wuss. What airline was it? So I say, well, I can't really say, but I'll say this, they, they served a continental breakfast and, and they, they fly continental coast to coast. But I can't tell you what airline it was. That was the old continental airlines. And so I get done continental, continental, continental cancels. And so the late great Paul Palmer, a general manager calls me and he says, you know, Ted, when you die, they're going to have to hire Paul Bearers. That's what's your life. You're driving me nuts. You cost me another sponsor. Stop it. Stop it. People are having so much fun. I don't care. Have fun without saying stuff about the sponsors and the players and the management and the owners are calling me. And it was just, it was just a perfect storm to get away with it, have so much fun, get paid well and just tell them about the radio in the morning. And then the 7, 15, 8, 15. I'm sorry. Yeah. That was a sidetrack. 7, 15, 8, 15 morning sports with Hudson and Bauer. And then I would do probably a luncheon speech or something like that speaking to speaking to all the different rotary Kiwanis Lions Club and try to be in the community and raise money with charities and so forth. And then I would do the 5 o'clock sports on Channel 8. But at 5, 15, I would walk down the hall, do a segment with Mark Larson on, go to Larson with Leitner. In the middle of his show, I would do a 5, 15 sports cast and then get done there at the radio part of the station and then walk right to the TV studio to do the first segment, which was called Son of Sports, a little baby size sports segment at 5, 20 something and then get done with that. And then wait for the main sport to 5, 43 and then get done and drive to the ballpark and fill up my scorecard and see Jerry Coleman, we talk about the game and all that. And then I take the live minicam and do the 6 o'clock sports. I remember you sitting in the booth doing your booth and I would, after we get my scorecard and book already to go and read as much as I possibly can, I could not, I could not then go down on the field and chat with the boys like I did later or go in a clubhouse like you should to get information and you should have seen when I came in a clubhouse what it was like. Oh my God, somebody's going to die, somebody's going to get killed here, that sort of thing. And once again the garve, the garve would defend me, the garve would defend me. When Gossage and guys like that wanted to literally choke me to death, the garve would come to my aid. So I'd get done with getting ready for the game upstairs and then do the 640 sports and then go back on to start the broadcast with Jerry at seven o'clock and get done at around 10, 10, 15, sometimes 10, 20 and then get in the car and try to leave before the last out to beat the traffic to get back to Kearney Mason at Channel 8 and do the 11 o'clock sports and get home and try to unwind. You know that, you can't do that, you're not only are you just done a performance of three hours and your adrenaline is flowing but then you have to go to sleep and perform at seven 15 and you're thinking about doing the second segment, first segment and it was insanity, insanity and it was killing my marriages. I was never there, I was working all the time and it killed my marriages and I take full blame for all of that stuff and it's the old, you know, in this business that they want you to do something, do it because they'll come a time, they don't want you to do it and your yesterday's news and you're gone, so I would say yes to everything and it was too much. And, you know, games on the weekends and you're traveling, which is a whole 'nother level of the ball game for the road trips and everything, and yet you survived. So I survived and like I said, made good money, gave it to my ex-wives, I was very generous, very generous. But that's another story from the other time and they're doing very well, they have beautiful homes in Orange County, Scottsdale, wherever and they're doing well, but they have 42 dollars in the bank and we'll do a go fund me for you. It's fine. Exactly. San Diego. Let's give this man. You're taking well care of the rest of the time. It's money for food. Please help it. But it was, it was just a ball. It had a great time with great people. Like I said, it was supported me and this audience in San Diego, they gave me my career pure and simple and they've taken care of me and said wonderful things. On X about that contact and with their listening to Padre Gaines with me and Jerry and then with me and saving with the Aztecs over all of these years and I thank you all so very much. So in your last few years calling Padre's baseball, you had a chance to work with our friend Jesse. You bet I did. Very smart. Smart young man. I called him NASA. So I don't know, people in our chat are wondering if you were ever in on it. So starting about five years ago, we developed a weekly segment. He would join us on Tuesday mornings and we called it the Incorporated and we would give Jesse a weird word that he had to work into the broadcast somewhere that's being in a baseball. Tuesday night. I remember. You do remember it. So the very first one you guys were in Baltimore just where the Padres were last week and the very first Incorporated word was mayonnaise and he had to try to get mayonnaise into the broadcast. Some time away from the game yesterday as well much to do here of course walk around that inner harbor. Got a great aquarium, some great historic sites. Certainly you could grab a crab cake somewhere and that is the regional delicacy of choice for a lot of people. You got to be careful though with your crab cakes. You don't want the ones with too much filler. Here's the one and two and swing and a miss. Anunya strikes out now two down here in the bottom of the third inning second strike out of the night for Logan Allen. So you get your crab meat, your lump crab meat, your mayonnaise, your bread crumbs, your spices and herbs all that but sometimes too many bread crumbs too much filler not as good. So you got to know where to go to get your great crab cakes. Two outs of the bases empty, Padres leading five to one in the bottom of the third inning. Thank you Bobby Flay. Yes. A little bit of a food stop. I'm bigger but a little bit of a little bit of a neither. It's not going to stop you, I've got nothing to do with it. Oh no. Like I said if I had so much fun with my partners and it was just, I mean and I worked two years of the pay-per-view with Joe Garrojola. I mean you talk about laughter and Jerry Coleman and Bob Chandler and Dave Campbell and then Jesse. It was just absolutely kismet, it was so warm and working with Jerry, you know every day. It's Jerry what did you do today? Well I got up and I walked, you know we changed hotels in Denver so I'm walking around and I get lost in Denver because we're not at that hotel we're normally at. I know that and I can't remember the hotel name and so a police officer comes out to me and says you need some help sir and I said yeah I'm with the Padres we're here doing a broadcast and they're playing the Rockies today but I can't remember where we're staying. So it turned out we left the Hyatt because they were full with the convention but we went to the Embassy Suites. So the officer says to Jerry well can you remember the name of the hotel or a word in there and Jerry says I think it's something like the NBC Suites. The NBC Suites. Gops says I don't know of any NBC Suites but let's go walking around maybe something that'll jar your memory and then he finally says no no no not NBC Suites. This is after the walk around walking around. I love the what did you do today Jerry question I look forward to it every broadcast. I'm sure some people hated it but I love it. I would laugh so hard and then I would tell him hey I wait out there after every game here at Wrigley Field I could not get a cab how do you get a cab for us yesterday we walked right out there and he pulls up and he stops right in front of us the people have been waiting for a half hour they're yelling and screaming as we get in the cab. Jerry how do you do that and he says well first of all you got to expose yourself and I say but pardon Gracie. Those you old enough to remember Gracie and George Lawrence Allen what's it what Gracie you got to expose yourself and now I'm choking on my coke I cannot say what do you mean and Jerry's and Jerry's where I'm going I know I know you know what I mean you got to expose yourself you got to walk right out into the street and make the cabbie stop right there and by exposing yourself that way and we're laughing so hard so hard and then he realizes what he said and he starts to go and you can't like I said you could I would have paid them they're not just to work with these guys including Jesse. So we've been chasing thank you Bobby Flay was the perfect reaction to the first one. I think the other one everyone wants to hear it so I think it was like a maybe a few weeks later the word for Jesse was diphthong was the word that he had to work into the broadcast cheers cheers what it sounded three two swinging a man's back to back keys yeah the linguists out there oh they're always there the phonologist always always there and I tried to remember the Gristides supermarkets that are in New York City and Manhattan kind of a little boutique so I took that R and then remembered Gristides to get our Steedes okay so far so good not bad at all you got to do whatever you can by association sure you get all the different things you have to worry about with that your semi-vowels yeah your diphthongs your diphthongs your bowel breaking all the different ways to say stuff you want to say it go right way for these guys I pulled my diphthong in college that absolutely for us when we played that the next morning and the whole time that Jesse was doing the incorporated with you in the booth we're going I wonder if Ted catches on or if Jesse uses a challenge to just slip the words in and and see if Ted even notices no no I didn't know when they were coming and I didn't know when the soliloquy would start where he was going or when he was slipping in there and then when he slipped in there it was just you shouldn't have that much fun you should not be able to get paid today now with Tony jr and we try to see if Tony picks up on it oh there's no question it's just absolutely amazing and the times I worked with Tony jr who was Anthony my entire life yeah he was always Anthony and then he became Tony jr and to me he'll always be Anthony and we did a game in Washington and it was my last year in fact 2020 and he said something there's a way he says fastball fastball and you know who said that of course it was just like his dad was still here and I heard it and I went to the commercial break and I turned my head because I started to cry when I heard Anthony sound as he does just like his dad and so I'm turning my head away from him and he says you okay I said yeah I'm fine and he looked at me I looked at him and he said I sounded just like my dad then didn't I said Anthony you have no idea and I could not could not maintain my composure and the fact that we have him and not just it's the old dude you got the job because your dad no no no he's terrific and can analyze that you know what out of it and been and so great and just a great person there's the left he still have the recording and I have the recording of that laugh which is from a segment of doing car commercials that Tony is doing car commercials Tony senior doing car commercials and that laugh is just the most infectious thing in the world of this on my iPhone and it will always be on my iPhone I had a similar experience it was probably a few months after Tony had passed away and I had texted Anthony who I also knew was Anthony and he didn't get back to me right away and I kind of forgotten about it and I was driving to channel 10 I remember exactly where I was in the car and the phone rings in my car and I don't see it so I just and I just hit the button and I hear that I go I go hello and he goes hey Ben it's Tony Gwen and I almost crashed my car and I go oh but you're your dad and I finally go oh it's it's Anthony it's because it sounded just like him no it's fascinating and I was like oh my god I have had that happen to me with many people who had passed away yeah and you're at a banquet or luncheon and you think you see them some of the looks like him and your first thought is there's of course I can't be him and and gosh the guy who played Mike Conner's on the on Maddox the Maddox TV show was always confused with the guy David Jansen who played the fugitive and literally after one had died the other would still have people come up and say you're oh you're you're the guy who died that's what they was that is that's that's what people think that what you heard when you heard Anthony and it sounded so much like his dad it was just absolutely amazing Ted thank you so much for coming in this has been fantastic I had a great time I would love to do it again I'd love to do it in woods is here because I think he would get an absolute ball about hearing some of these stories as well he has become such a huge Padres fan awesome that's awesome you know he lived up in Connecticut as well in Texas and then has come out here and made San Diego he has embraced it fully he's never leaving it just like you've never left and who goes back to the real world you know exactly you've been to America's finest city and come on uncle Teddy thank you so much thank you so much Ted Lighten her Padres Hall of Famer ambassador with the a really fun last 80 minutes don't go away we got a couple segments left you know hey Sarah's is going to join us from the athletic we'll talk about the Padres new bullpen coming up all ahead after a check of traffic on 97 3 the fan I would have fun last hour plus that was a treat to have Ted Lightner in studio he still got the he still got the a game for sure kidding me you get him going I mean that is he I was stunned when he told us that he was a terrified public speaker growing up that he cut school to avoid speaking in front of the class and now he gets up in front of you know an entire stadium full of people and can MC better than anyone I've ever seen in my life and of course he's still got another season Aztecs basketball coming up later this year I hope it's a good one he can go out on top he's been fantastic but he's not going aware he's a he's a part of this fabric of this community and that was a real treat to have him in studio we got you know Sarah's coming up in a second I just I don't want to be an alarmist Polly for Padres fans but I will say well after the game and after Mike Schultz had spoken last night the Padres PR staff announced the pitching probables for the upcoming series against the Colorado Rockies and right away you can tell there's a change in the rotation Randy Vasquez will start tomorrow's series opener then newcomer Martin Perez is going to start on Saturday and then they listed Sunday as TBA now the reason why you know got my interest is that Michael King hasn't started since last Saturday so it he would definitely be in turn even with the off days to start sometime in this series and the fact that the Padres aren't willing to commit to him even on Sunday with extra rest makes me wonder what's going on and there can be different explanations for it one obviously they've been watching his innings closely and and maybe they're using the off day and another one on Monday just to skip his turn in the rotation if they can just to save some innings for later in the season he's perfectly healthy he's been pitching great that would probably be the the best case scenario there's also a strategic possibility you got the Rockies who are last place team you're about to face the Pirates who are a a wild card contending team maybe you want to save him for the the start of the road with that against the pirates so maybe there's a strategic consideration and if you have a another option you can go with on Sunday then maybe that's what the Padres are thinking and then of course there's the alarmist you know what can go wrong is going to go wrong is there something health wise that is concerning about Michael King that is keeping him out of the Probables for this upcoming series against the Colorado Rockies again we don't know press it they left last night that's all they left us with was two two Probables in a TBA and no further explanation and I imagine we will ask Mike Schilt about it tomorrow I can't promise you that he'll get us an answer but at some point they're gonna have to say something about Michael King and and what's going on so just something to keep an eye on some of the follow-up on and we'll certainly continue to look into it hopefully it's just nothing at all hopefully this is just smart strategy by the San Diego Padres going forward but it is definitely worth at least noting to Padres fans in the audience alright when we come back our smart baseball segment you know Sarah's is going to join us and I want to talk more about the new Padres relievers their stuff plus numbers what Eno thinks about these deadline deals and how the Padres improve themselves at the trade deadline we'll do that next year with Ben and Woods on San Diego's number one sports station ninety seven three the fan about the speculation I just centered around Michael King and why he wasn't included on in the Probables starting pitchers for the upcoming series someone asked well could Joe Musgrove be starting no Padres said Joe Musgrove is gonna start on Sunday but somewhere in their minor league system on a rehab start and then someone said well maybe Johnny burritos coming up Johnny burrito got lit up four runs in two thirds of an inning last night at triple A in his first start since they gave him a couple of weeks off with um I was forearm tightness or something so don't think he's starting on Sunday either now I did get um I did get a tweet from punk ball 76 who said I spoke with Michael King last night he's starting Sunday don't get your panties in a knot so I mean take that what it's worth you know maybe that makes you feel better thank you for that uh punk ball unknot your panties then 76 Eno Saris is standing by we'll get some smart baseball right after this check of traffic on 97 3 the fan it's time for the super polish just to be named smart baseball weekly segment with Eno Harris Saris son of a bitch brought to you by seven mile casino just seven minutes from the ballpark by the Bay in Chula Vista here's Eno Saris with Ben and Woods on 97 3 the fan. Been a couple of weeks we had the all-star break and then Eno was on vacation last week so it is a pleasure to welcome them back now Eno Woods is on vacation this week so you got me and Paul but how is your all-star break how is your vacation what have you been up to? Good I was up in Seattle went all over the place and packed a lot of stuff in including Mariner's game right before the deadline went you know like they couldn't score a run but uh yeah it was a fun time so you know punk ball 76 is reporting out with standing when you look at guys who are approaching innings career highs or exceeding them like Garrett crochet like Michael King it's an interesting dilemma isn't it for um for organizations that think you know we're hoping to be in the playoffs but we kind of need you to get there but we also want you to be able to pitch once you get there what do you kind of think about that juggling act that the Padres are going to have to do now for the last couple of months of the season yeah it is pretty interesting and I think that's why in the end Garrett crochet didn't move at the deadline because people didn't know what to do with him wouldn't wouldn't know if they had him for the playoffs because he's way past his skis in terms of innings pitched in terms of Michael King at least there's some precedent in way back in career in 2017 he threw 149 innings in 2018 he was over a hundred so um and he's been building to this point so I do think and he's a veteran too it's not it's not a kid that you're trying to get somewhere you know um so I think they'll be okay with him in the end I'm not seeing any real drop off in the v-lo for Michael King and um you know another thing you would look for is a change in his release point those are things that people look for when they say that we're monitoring him and we're making sure and over the course of this year I'm just checking real quick I have not there's a little bit of a drop in the in the release point but not much it's not not much I have to get worried about so I think I think he's fine and they're just they're trying to manage it and and make sure they have him in October because it you know it's looking more and more like they'll get one of these wild card slots or and they're more competitive even in the division so obviously the Padres did not pick up a starting pitcher at the deadline but they did add uh three relievers including two really premium guys and I know it's just two games against the Dodgers but the bullpen factored in both they come back on on Tuesday Eno when uh you know they grew up at Sui in the fifth and bring in Morahone even though they're down two and then strata and go aggressively and then in yesterday we saw a couple of the new guys in Jason Adam and we did see a whole wing we still haven't even seen Tanner Scott I wanted to get your impression on the Padres moves kind of the stuff plus numbers that that we're seeing from some of the new guys that are coming in and what you think the ultimate impact is going to be well they shot to the top of the market Tanner Scott had the best stuff on the market in terms of relievers and you know there's a lot of talk out there that you know maybe I've saw the word fleeched and uh and all the stuff and I think one we know that AJ Preller is really good at scouting and that this organization will find some more players and then they you know this draft and the next but also on top of that there are some real questions about each of the players they gave up um you know I don't mean to speak ill of these players they're better at baseball than I've ever been but you know Maser's fastball may not have been good enough to be a starter we saw that he struggled to strike guys out of the major league level um and Robbie Snelling um he stuck at 92 miles an hour with poor vertical uh break on his fastball uh 80 monarch slider you know the number in the major leagues for a slider is 85 so he he needs a lot of sort of velocity and development to get back uh some of the promise he had uh even if you know the walk rate thing is not a big deal you know he still has some other work to do on his stuff so um I think it was uh I think it was it was a good idea to to go for it given the composition of this roster and another thing to remember in today's baseball relievers pitch half of the game I mean that's the average if you're looking at anything across the baseball and whatever like you know relievers pitch half the innings so to go out and get a bullpen now that's five six strong seven maybe like that's great you know that's going to keep them in there if they have to take somebody out early um and uh you know I think they also just thought why go get a starting pitcher that's worse than you know Joe Musker overview Darvish uh just hope get those guys back and get them back to where they can be I have a question for you we saw um Alec Jacob uh come in you know yesterday struck out the side in the seventh thing now he does not throw hard at all but I saw some writing about the extension that he has and basically can you explain you know what that is and why it's important for relievers and and what you think of Alec Jacob yeah extension is important uh it's not the only thing there is no only thing you have velocity have vertical movement um you know there's these things are really important all of them are important one thing that extension does um is just that um you're giving the batter less time and it can be a big deal you're talking about a foot and you know a foot between some of the big extenders Logan Gilbert throws 94 but he throws uh his extension seven foot plus seven it's maybe seven and a half feet so that means you're closer to the plate when you're releasing the ball essentially shorten the distance and basically increasing this the perceived speed from the perspective of the batter yeah exactly um and and so you know they we've they've looked at this in terms of uh you know there's a word of sort of perceived velocity um and uh it can be the difference of two three four miles an hour you know fretted for Alta is another guy who just jumps at you Carter caps uh if anybody wants to open up uh the uh the archives uh but um I think that you know you can be good without it um but you know if any you know who comes to mind if people want to think of the opposite of Dylan Sees um yeah he's short arms it and but also uh Padre's legend Tyson Ross okay yeah tall guy you think he has a ton of extension but not really but he he didn't really use his legs didn't really get out there didn't really uh he had a short extension so you know that's uh that's part of the story and on all these guys and and snelling does not have great extension and it's I think it's one of those things another reason that teams care about it is it's one of those things that I think it's just almost impossible to change you know what I mean you're talking about your mechanics I'm like you're gonna start leaping out there when you haven't done it ever you've been throwing this way for years and years and years it's like rebuilding your golf swing from scratch almost no one does it tiger like did it once which is one of the most incredible things about him because you're essentially a different player once you rebuild your swing you may not be the the pitcher you were before you may not be the golfer you were before we're talking to you know Sarah is from the athletic okay so uh the padre's picked up some good relievers who else caught your eye at the deadline in terms of the moves when you look at at some of your numbers and you know pitchers especially that we're changing teams uh well I mean I think that um you know it wasn't pitchers but the mariners when I saw them last Tuesday I thought that maybe Logan Gilbert had a throw a no hitter from underwind um and the vibe around the team was we can't score a run they go out and they get Randy or Rosarina Justin Turner and you know it's not just them like those two guys haven't had all the hits but there's something also to be a buyer at the deadline where the team says all right let's go like that the management believes in us and they've scored a bunch more runs since that day um and you know there's a big vibe change I think for them um otherwise you know I thought that the Red Sox did a pretty good job getting they got like the number two and number four guys uh reliever wise that were available in terms of stuff plus um and they paid like a smaller price for it um I like Lucas Sims I like Luis Garcia um Padres fans should should like Luis Garcia so um you know those are two two guys they got on the cheap uh that stuck out for me I like what the Orioles did with Eli Jimenez because why not make a strength better I like what they did with Zach Afflin uh but I didn't like what they did with Trevor Rogers I think they gave up you know a little bit too much for a guy that I'm not sure we'll be in the rotation for the rest of his contract so um you know I think they're you know even in one team you'll have some swings and meshes Feels like the Cardinals I mean I know what you think about Eric Fettie obviously Tommy Fams had a an outsized impact in just two games but doesn't feel like they gave up much to improve their team yeah and I you know that was that also created uh you know something that people should look at in terms of they had to keep the money the same and so when you're thinking why did my why did my team get this player that player you know Blake Snell was available well you know and and then you'll have to pay the whole 30 million you only have to pay two months of it well these people have budgets these gyms have budgets they you know and so what I thought the Cardinals did it was so amazing was they pretty much stayed budget neutral by taking Tommy Edmond who'd become a little bit uh expendable given that they have Brendan Donovan playing all over the place they had Mason win it short they liked their center fielders so they took that Edmond money and they turned it into a starting pitcher that they sorely needed for next year as well and an extra bat so I thought that was really smart on the Dodgers then they needed a short stop and buying a short stop at the deadline is really hard and not usually done if Edmond gets back to where he was he can be league average with the love and league average with the bat and that would be that would be huge for them to have a short stop like that so um I thought the Dodgers are pretty well the deadline too and you know since we haven't talked to you since the uh the MLB draft I don't know how much you got into some of the draft picks but you have any thoughts on obviously the Padres first round pitch the big big left-handed pitcher Cash Mayfield who they have already signed and then another lefty from high school in the second round in Boston Bateman he signed as well anything notable from the draft that you can share um not too much I like treya savage I have some some stuff left numbers on him uh he went to the Blue Jays after uh he dropped a little bit to like 14 or something and uh I thought that was a good pick um what interesting that they took a high school pitcher in a second in this draft it was 80 college 20 high school um and so AJ March marches to the beat of his own drummer I mean how he actually does um but that also means that maybe he saw uh an opportunity there that um other people had passed on the high school high school arm and and shouldn't it Eno appreciate it uh let you go thank you for adjusting your schedule for us this week and we'll talk to you again next Thursday no problem thanks for having me areas Eno Saris are super polished yet to be named smart baseball weekly segment brought to you by seven mile casino so uh it seems like uh Paul he was pretty high on on the additions and an interesting point when you think about it yes the Padres need starting pitching and I see the chat and I got Martin Perez could have got anyone could have got Martin Perez for nothing uh that's that doesn't really count you didn't you didn't address starting pitching by getting Martin Perez he's just an arm they have plenty of arms you can throw out there you want good arms they can actually get outs but half of the game essentially is now relief pitching you know even if the starter goes six you count extra innings as well by the time the season is over the exception no longer the rule for a starter to go seven it's five a lot sometimes it's shorter sometimes the game goes extra inning so when this by the time the season is over you'll find that relief pitchers throw just about as many innings as starting pitchers so why why isn't it just as important we all think uh the rotation's the most important thing and then you figure out the bullpen but your bullpen is eating as many innings as you're starting rotation so brains still adjusting to the new style of baseball I think you're traditionally sure was how you thought of the how you viewed the game and it's just it's changed yeah I mean if your starters are are not getting the job done you're going to overwork your bullpen and they'll get tired at the end of the season but now the Padres have depth I mean Alec Jacob is essentially the number seven reliever in the bullpen right now and he came in and he struck out the the side of the Dodgers in the seventh inning that is well that is a a lot of options that Mike Schill and Ruben Diablo can go with now and they can keep guys fresh because you're not punting on a game because you're bringing in Logan Gillespie and Stephen Colick you are putting in a high quality reliever pretty much no matter what if you're down five put in someone they're probably a pretty good reliever at this point there are no games where you're going well we just this guy can just eat some innings annual Delo Sanos go give up three home runs we're just going to lose this one they don't have any of those guys left in the bullpen they're all guys you kind of feel pretty good about if they go into the game by the way very opportune time for us some tendonitis to crop up for Stephen Colick because even though he's a rule five draft pick since he's been on the roster for at least 90 days the Padres do not have to offer him back to the Mariners and as long as he's still hurt you think phantom mind no no no no they would not do that that's against the rules Pauli that you can't you have to have an injury the the real story is at this point pretty much every pitcher has an injury right either they're pitching through it or they're not pitching through it but there's not a pitcher out there who's 100% healthy at this point so you don't have to really make up an injury my guess is he didn't suddenly develop something but he's probably been kind of just nursing it for a while and then they said you know we don't need you to nurse it anymore take your time get healthy on the injured list and then we'll we're gonna welcome you back or we won't welcome you back but we will now have your rights going into next season another arm that's available out of the bullpen great show today obviously Ted Leiter made it but 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