Ben & Woods On Demand Podcast
Monday July 8th, 2024 - FULL SHOW
with you on a Monday morning July 8th and it's just great. I've been here for a while. I got here at four today. That's what I do when I have to host solo because the big guy Benny Higgins is off in Santa Barbara and we will talk about his trip. I'm sure more tomorrow when he returns to the studio. But we have an amazing experience with his friends and his friends with his friends. But we have an amazing picture that he sent us yesterday. We can talk about that in a moment. But hope everybody had a great long weekend. If you got a chance to have a long weekend, I hope you enjoyed it. I know I did. Oh, I didn't miss you guys, though. I did. It was a little bit too-- I know it was a one day too long is how it usually feels for me. With this job, at least, I like to be here. I like to talk to you guys. I like to talk baseball with my brothers and I like to talk with all you guys as well. But I'm Woodsy. That's Paul Reindel. He's the executive producer. And today, he will be the co-host of the program, at least for a little while. Good morning, Paulie. Hey, how are you? How was the weekend? Weekend was good. I got to see you yesterday. Yeah, big statement win for the Tier 1 summer baseball team. Tier 1 summer baseball league kicked off yesterday with a resounding 24-to-1 win. That was-- Not a play. That was-- yeah, that'll work. A lot of people don't like playing those big blowout games as the skipper, player, manager of the team. I do. I like it. It makes my job extremely easy. Start with a little seventh spot in the top first. The seventh spot in the first. And you're like, hey, who wants to pitch? You ever play third? Go try some third. It's a little different than what Mike Schilt has to deal with. Mike Schilt yesterday in a 24-1-- now, the other team walked off after five. They didn't walk off, but they said, hey, we're done. It's odd. We're obviously not going to come back. In a 24-1 fifth inning game for the San Diego Padres, I would bet money that Robert Suarez would still have to get up and get up. I was going to ask, if you 100 times had a 24-to-1 lead in the fifth inning, how many times do the Padres need to get Robert Suarez? I'd say 65% of the time. He's up like, are you joking? You're joking. All right, time to get heated up. I mean, sweet Jesus, man. Sweet Jesus. Our all-star closer. Yeah, we will get into all of the all-star selections in there are five. Mike Schilt doesn't have to deal with, and if he ever has a 24-to-1 lead in the fifth inning, his guy gets on first base, and the opposing first baseman says, hey, no, we're probably going to just call it after this last inning. And I wonder if they allowed that in the game of baseball. If they allowed that, I bet you more teams would take it. I mean, if it's one of those 18 to 2s, and it's in the fourth inning, and you're like, bro, I don't want to burn bullpen. You don't want to burn bullets. Can we get anybody hurt? We'll just try to get out of it, and then throw your backup left fielder for two innings. And right now, there's somebody. My guess is they're older than me. That is like, you never quit. You never back down. There was this one game in 1947 when the Cleveland spiders went out and beat. OK, fine. Maybe you're right. But in this day and age, with a team like this in, you know, essentially a pennant race and a battling for a playoff spot, yeah, man, if it's 18-1, let's call it a day, bro. Either way, if I'm losing it, yeah, I mean it. But yeah, you know Bob Suarez would have-- if he was a tier one yesterday, we would have had to get him hot. That's just the way that it's been going for the Padres lately. We'll talk about the bullpen woes and talk about it a lot, man. We got a lot of stuff to cover today. But other than relaxing, Paulie, what did you guys get up to this weekend, you and Meghan? Not a whole lot. We stayed in on 4th of July and just cooked dinner at the house. Protected your pets? Yeah. Yeah, gnarly. Yeah, it sucks. They were fine. We have a big AC unit that goes, you know, the vents out the window in our bedroom. That thing's pretty loud, so we just turned that thing on, cooled the room down, dogs couldn't hear the boomies going around the neighborhood. But it wasn't too bad in Escondido. I mean, you heard a couple of idiots at mid-90s. Yeah. [SCREAMING] This gives a crap out of you. And then it's like July 6, and they're still lighting them all up. All right, we'll get it. It's 10 o'clock on July 7. Probably don't need any more of those. No, I get it. So that was annoying. But other than that, yeah, it's been like a sick ward in my house for like three weeks. So we're both finally coming out of it and feeling better. And so we just kind of relaxed and went for a drive on Saturday night. Listen to the end of the game, Jessie in town, eat. Yep. And that's about it. We did a little staycation with the kids just one night. We hear about the drone show. At the hotel, we'll see a drone show, which was great. It was really cool. They did the American flag in drones. They did like the California bear. They did the logo of the hotel. I mean, it was cool. Are we at the point where would anybody complain if we replaced firework shows with drones? So I was thinking, as I was watching-- They're awesome. As I was watching the drone show, we laid there. And the kids were, ooh, ah, it was only 15 minutes. So it was like 8, 15 to 8, 30. It was done. So as we walked back-- I think about like 10 years, I could see no firework shows. Yeah. I mean, drone show, they're only going to get bigger and better. They're sick. It was sick. I don't know. I mean, it's really incredible how they do it. And we went back to-- so as we were walking back to our hotel room, there's another hotel down the way that does a huge fireworks display. Of course, we stopped and sat there and gawked at it. Like we'd never seen fireworks when the kids were, ooh. Now Bo is just like me. We watched it for five minutes. He's like, all right, that's it. I'm good. And he starts walking back to the room. I'm like, you are identical, my son. Like just, OK, all right, I got a good sense of it. I'm fine. We can move on. Like it was cool when you were able to go out and light your own fireworks. Yes. Yes. That added certainly a different element to it. But if you're just-- we're just talking like, all right, we're going to park up on the hill and we're going to watch fireworks. I mean, you've seen one, you've seen them all. You've seen one, you've seen them all. Now we got back to the room when we put on the big bay boom. And we watched that. That looked pretty sick. Now again, it was not sick enough for me to drag a chair down to the bay at 4 a.m. on July 3rd and sit and rot for 18 straight hours just to see a fireworks show. I love my family. I don't love my family that much to do that. I do love them a lot. But I don't love them that much to do that. You know what I mean? Like there's no-- I'm not going to do it. Don't ask me to drag a chair down there and-- I don't believe you. Because I swear to God I would. I swear to God I would. I swear to God, no. All we want to do is go down to Coronado and sit there and watch the big bay boom. Bro, you would be surprised how often I tell them no. And I'll just look at him and go, I'm not doing it. It sucks. Sucks to suck. I'm not going to. So quit ass. Get another dad. I'm not doing it, man. I mean, I'm trying to even think of a scenario where if I had to take a chair somewhere for 18 hours-- like, hey, if you do this dad, I get to go play baseball for free at a college-- to get a scholarship, but that doesn't happen. Like, yeah, how much are you-- Bully, how much tuition these days? Bully, I'm telling you, there's nothing-- there's literally nothing they could ask me to do where I'm going to go down and be like, ah, it just kill-- I'm not joking when I say people were down there at 4 AM, you know, like maybe even the day before. Like, but there's just nothing. There is just nothing. I love them so much. I mean, I want to make them happy, but I don't care that much. So you and I are similar in that we will absolutely spend money to avoid an inconvenience. I will spend a fortune to enjoy an inconvenience. So how about this? I mean, this is all assuming. Like, if this is under the guise of Bo and Taylor, like, begging to go to the Big Babe boom next year, get a hotel on July 3rd. 100%. That I would do. In July 3rd and 4th. In a heartbeat. It's going to be expensive. In a heartbeat. Anywhere downtown will be, I gotta imagine, is not cheap, but then you're there. You just walk over, it's going to be a huge crowd, but you're not driving through it. You don't have to worry about parking. I mean, bro, you could leave your hotel room at like 8 o'clock and go find a smell in a second. I mean, I think Hannah actually brought that up. And I was like, yeah, sounds good to me. That's the move. If the Big Babe boom is high on your list, I would recommend that. Because I would rather pay that than sit and trap. Like, I think it was reading me a traffic report. Like, Coronado Bridge is stopped, backed up all the way down the five to Chester or something. Like, they just weren't even moving. Forget it, dude. If you're just sitting on that bridge, you're like, hey, you haven't moved in 45 minutes. That would kill me, man. Sitting on that bridge for that long, would kill me. We actually just saw a message in the chat from Melamel. This is so sad. She says, my dog is gone because of the damn fireworks. And I had seen this last night, Melamel. Oh, no. San Diego Humane Society tweeted. We've had 136 stray animals come in since the July 4th holiday. Only 15 dogs have been reclaimed by their owners. If your pet is missing, text lost to 858 San lost. Like San Diego. S-A-N lost. 858 S-A-N lost. Or visit sthumane.org/lostpet. They are waving any reclaimed fees. I guess that was yesterday. But take a look there at the Humane Society. If you haven't already, I'm so sorry. I was out and got hit by a car. She didn't lose it. She lost it. Oh. I'm so sorry. Oh, God. I am so, so, so sorry. It is just the worst. So, yeah. I think the drone show would be best for everyone. Such a bummer, man. Such a bummer. Yeah, we had, you know, one little-- Thanks for that lift up lifting note. Well, I mean, you know, thinking about it, Paulie, before the show started, there was one commercial that ran right before the show started. And it was about do-do and stools and diarrhea, explosive diarrhea and oily stools. And I just thought to myself, this is what I'm-- this is the last thing I hear before I crack the money. Yes. If you listen to our show on the radio, especially, maybe on the app, sometimes there are different commercials that run on the app versus in your car radio. But for sure, if you're in your car, 559 every single morning-- Every morning. It's oily stools. Yes. It's great. Diarrhea. It's fitting. It's fitting. I mean, Adam, can we, like, can we get any type of lead-in? It's fitting for the show, to be sure. Well, I'm so sorry to hear that, Melamel, it's so sad to lose a pop, man. I've lost a couple in the last couple of years of really traumatic circumstances. And it never gets easier. It really never does. But I'm very sorry. But if anybody else has, I guess, lost a pet where they escaped and you're looking for them, check out SD Humane Society. They do great, great work. Benjamin Higgins, as we mentioned, is in Santa Barbara. Oh, no. Stomach issues again? Yeah. So we talked to him via text yesterday. When Benny's on vacation, I don't like to bother him very much. No. But he's so-- he never, like, posts anything from vacation. And I have always told him, like, first of all, everything you post is good and funny, right? Like, he's an interesting poster. And he doesn't do it enough. And I don't know why that is. Maybe he doesn't like to brag. Maybe he doesn't like-- He's embarrassed? He's not embarrassed. Yeah. It's a very bougie trip, though. You go to Santa Barbara, they're drinking fine wines and eating, you know, shanks of lamb and plain golf. I mean, it's the widest vacation around. We say it every year. Like, it's really, really a wide vacation. He is like khakis, the whole thing, top ciders. So I texted him and I'm like, he's, of course, what he wants to talk about the pot raise, because that's what he does. He's like, oh, yeah. But watching the game, he's like, oh, yeah. This man did not miss a pitch. He did not miss a one. Yeah. 100%. Did not miss a pitch. That's how dedicated he is. Yeah, he's texted us about the pot. Check out. It's OK. And I go, I'm very disturbed by your lack of horseback pictures. I asked you for one thing. You lost, what, 40 pounds, 60 pounds, whatever, because he always said, I don't want to ride the horse because I'm big and I go, well, yeah, but you're not as big as you used to be. And trust me, they can handle it. It's a 2,500 pound horse and the men's worried about it. There were fat cowboys. I promise you there were fat cowboys at some point in history. I know this to be true. They're a husky. They're a husky cowboys along the way. Yes. Those horses can handle. You just did a nice little while they're carrying a cart. Yeah. A cart behind them and all your stuff and then another horse is attached to them. Yes. They can handle it. They'll be fine. So I still won't get on it. He didn't get on it, but he did send us a picture and I have so many observations. I tweeted it last night from my personal account, which is at the Stephen Woods. I think we retweeted it from at bed and woods, Paul is putting in the chat. So he's just there next to a fence and he looks like he's having a conversation with this horse. He's petting the horse's head. It's the greatest. It's the greatest thing ever. So I put it up on Twitter and I said, hey, caption this post and everyone just went nuts and they're like, I like horses. I like horse hair and then your wife goes and that's how I made a birdie on hole-aid at Piners. Now, on nine, you really want to play that dog leg left. So we're playing golf. We're playing golf shots to the horse. But the one thing that everybody said in the chat is why is he wearing his dad's clothes? He looks like when I was in eighth grade, I wanted to go to a dance and my dad was like, I'm not buying you a new suit. I've told the story. So I had to like wear some of his clothes. It was awful. It was terrible. He's got the like Brooks Brothers, blue checkers shirt, blue navy blue sport code and then khaki pants. He pants that look three sizes too big now because he's lost all the weight, but he won't go out and buy new clothes, which I thought if you drop the weight is like the first thing you do. That's like the reward. I just watched Nutty Professor over the week. I just watched it with my kids and he runs in and he's like, spandex, all spandex. And you know, he's super excited. He will not go get his pants tailored or get new pants or get new shirts. He is a legend. Like he's just such, he's such a dad. That's just a dad move. Like, why would I go? Like, you don't have to get rid of this. Maybe you balloon up again. You keep those clothes, but you just go buy new. I thought that was the whole point of like, look how, look how sweet yourself. Look how smelt I am now. Yeah. And you buy on the work. I'm going to go reward myself. All new gear. At least get the birth every day, November is his birthday, November 3rd. I want to take him like another pretty woman day and get him like some real new threads because he just refuses to do it. But he's a legend. He's there. He's playing with the horse. I think he's driving back this morning, but we miss Benny certainly we'll have some fun today. Certainly we got a big show planned for you going to be talking a lot of baseballs. We always do going to be hearing a lot of great baseball stories. I'll set the menu. I get to set the menu today for the program. We will be right back. It is Ben and Woods on 97-3 the fan. Welcome back Ben and Woods 97-3 the fan happy Monday to you. Benny is out. He'll be back tomorrow. I hope he drives safely, gets home safely, well rested and recharged and full of Shablee and white Zinfandel and plenty of golf and khakis and everything else, man. I missed a big guy certainly, but me and Paulie will be holding it down for you today. We've got a good show, man. It's weird not seeing you guys for like four days, five days. Yeah, it is. It was weird. It was weird. I got to see you yesterday. We played ball, but not seeing Ben, you know, he's skiddaddled. We all split up last week when we got out of here and had a nice long weekend and of course our beloved Sammy Levitt, you know, took one for the team and came in and hosted Friday when we were out and I didn't hear any of his show. I did see people thanking Sammy Levitt for filling in for us and of course calling us blackers. But I'll wear it. I'll wear it. We slept in. I slept. My whole family slept until 8 a.m., which is the first time that's happened and I maybe ever actually was really, really refreshing and so that was nice, man. I'm very relaxed this morning and I wish we had some better news to talk about in regards to the Padres. We do have some good news to talk about with Sammy Levitt. We moved him up. He's going to be at 735 this morning and we got our pal Tim Flannery coming in at 8 and Flan is just somebody I love. I know he gets into it with people on Twitter. He has his very strong opinions but that man to me is all heart and all soul and I love him like a dad. I'm so fortunate I get to coach his grandson Jesse and Jesse and Bo are really tight. We're really tight with his family. Like I'll wear one for Flan any day of the week. If you come after Flan then you're coming after me. That's how I feel. I love him. He is my favorite coach I've ever had at Fantasy Camp. He's unbelievable. I got traded to his team, couldn't have been happier. I learned so much in the short couple of days with him. He actually coached us out there instead of, all right, Tubby, go out and don't strike out. AKA the Terry Kennedy move, right? Hey, fat ass. Try not to swing and miss this time. Oh, thanks TK, what a manager you are. Plan was on his knees hitting fun goes at us like you coached us. He was amazing and you know, even at 47 years old at the time, I really appreciated that because there's so much to learn about this game and we're all still learning every single day and he is just all heart and all soul. Like you said, he's, you know, he can be a little crusty on social media. It's also tough to read tone. Yeah, it is. And know exactly how he's trying to say what he's going to say. Sure. But I'll just say this. I'm sure, I hope there's not too many of these people out there, but I'm sure there are people out there that are like, oh, I'm blocked by Flan or I hate him for what he's tweeted, you know, three years ago, but we had him on at Fantasy Camp and we had people reaching out, they're like, I wasn't sure about this guy based on his tweets. Yeah, that was so good. I loved hearing him talk and the stories and the wisdom that he has. So if you're one of those people, please tune in with an open mind. Yeah, give a shot. I think he'll change. I think he'll change your opinion. When I see him anywhere, I'm sure it wears him out because I just be lying to him and I'm like, stories, tell me stories, give me Tony Gwen stories, give me, give me all the stories that you have from back in the day. And of course, man, of course, people are going to the people that played the game for as long as he did and was around the game for as long as he did, they're going to have very strong opinions. Guess what? They've earned them. They've earned those opinions way more than than I've earned mine, certainly. So I will always defer doesn't mean I always agree with flanks. I don't. I don't. I told them before. I don't agree with that. That's not how it is anymore. You know that. And we butt heads on it, but you can acknowledge that this. That's how it was. That's the best. Also saying that's not how it is anymore. And that's the best part of this game that we all love so, so much, but Flam will come in. He told me story. I was at his granddaughter's birthday a couple of weeks ago. He told me a story. He's like, I can tell it on the air, but I'm going to have to omit some stuff. He told me the whole thing and I was like, yeah, don't say that, but tell the rest of it. Tell the rest of that story, Flam. I just hope my man gets some coffee on his way in this morning. He's probably waking up and getting ready to head on down here. He'll be here at eight o'clock. And yeah, he was telling us yesterday that he had a show. His band played at the belly up last night. And when I texted him to confirm and give him some directions on how to get to the studio, he goes, plan tonight at the belly up going to be coming in fresh off a zero sleep. I don't know that he sleeps much anyway. I really don't. He's kind of, he's kind of a wired guy. He is all energy. I love him so much. I do too, man. I just adore him and I'm excited for you guys to hear some of the stories and just talk baseball with, with, you know, in my opinion, the heart and soul of some of those old Padre teams for sure. Fan favorite. Certainly. Obviously went to the Giants, didn't want to, didn't have a choice, you know, at some point, but do you think, is there any like, is that fair for any Padres fan to be a little conflicted that he played his whole career for the Padres, but then went off and coached with Bochi and won three rings? What an interesting rival. What in this choice? It doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me. I'm obviously biased. People need jobs. You know, people need jobs and people want to work and continue in the game and, you know, he did and he did it with great success and he's got, you know, three rings to show for it, which is pretty incredible. I want to ask him about all of it, man, coaching third base. I know, I know our current third base coach, Tim Leeper, he was catching a lot of grief earlier in the season. It's a hard, it's a really hard gig. It's a really, really hard gig. So I want to ask him, you know, what goes into that? I asked him about Leeper. He goes, oh, he's fantastic. He's fantastic. And I don't, I didn't get the sense that it was like, well, you know, I was third base coach. He's, he's like, no, bro. He's a good one. He knows what he's doing. He puts in the work, the work that those guys have to put in is actually pretty staggering. It's, it's more than with a bullpen decision. Yeah. Damned if you do. Damned if you have, of course, if you send him and he scores, it was a great send. Right. He send him and he doesn't score. Yeah, you're an idiot. Yeah, you're an idiot, man. He's, he's great. So he's coming in. He'll be here at eight or, or there about and, but yeah, man, I want to talk next about obviously what's, what's been going on out at Petco park. You know, again, I think, I think I'll leave you guys with this before we go to break. It's okay to be disappointed with the last two nights for sure, the last two days for sure. It's also okay to be excited if you're a San Diego Padres fan right now. It is. It's the, the pass. It's all right to be excited. It's, you're okay to be excited about the all stars. The five all stars that are going to be representing our city and our team. I think that's a big deal and we should celebrate that. But I think it's also very okay to be concerned about the bullpen blow up this weekend and be concerned about maybe a lack of, of options, you know, in, in some close games and not being able to get the job done a couple of times. And, you know, honestly, if you think about it, man, we were, we were one really, really fortunate in and away from being swept by the Arizona Diamondbacks. You know, we needed those games and we didn't get them. So let's talk about Friday's show, but I, I just cannot harp it enough. We always mention it. Walk off wins are awesome. They're the best. That's sustainable. But most of the time, most of the time you screwed up, it means something really bad happened. And when Robert Suarez has to come into the game with a seven to lead in the ninth inning, that's, that's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. That's not okay. Nothing inherently. And it's not sustainable. Love the end result. Love the dub. I know Mike Schilt would want that to change. If he had one wish, he, he would say, I want our bullpen to be better right now. He won't say it. I'll say it for him. He will not say it. I promise you, but I will say it. He wants our bullpen to be better. We all do. And especially those guys in the bullpen do as well. So we'll get into all that. And yeah, unfortunately, man, I'm, I was thinking, man, do we have to play the losing montage? And after two in a row, I feel like we do. It's coming up next. And once can they win on a Sunday? It's been since May 24th. The last Sunday when was May 24th, six, six Mondays in a row. We've come in here talking about a Padres L. We'll do it again next for you. Here on Ben and Woods, 97 three, the fan, back Ben and Woods, 97 three, the fan on a Monday morning talking about, well, you know, we've had a few days off. And since we were gone, Padres won some and they lost some and they almost won some man. This team is, is really, really something. They are really, really something to watch on a nightly basis. And you know, here we go tonight's off night tonight, Paulie, and then the Mariners got the Mariners is good starting pitching. I mean, it's, it's game sad. These days offer great and obviously needed, but I, I don't like them at all. I hate them in fact, but I do understand the importance of them. And right now I think our bullpen is in, in need of, of maybe more than more than some days off right now. There's the Logan Gilbert and Bryce Miller. Yeah. Yeah. Some good, good arms. Gonna miss George Kirby. But yeah, they're, they're, their offense isn't much to ride home about. But you know, listen, I think the plan, if you're playing the San Diego Padres right now is getting to the bullpen and you're going to have a shot because they are much maligned, right now we'll talk about the numbers and all that. But first we'll do our heart Padres wrap up. You know what's coming. It's a shame. It's a shame. If they lose. Oh, a shame indeed. It's a complete crap. I did not like that. Here are the lowlights from yesterday's game. Are you kidding me? Boo. Padres wrap up presented by Hummel Casino with thrilling slots and tables and all the best rewards. Hummel Casino has all the fun you're looking for. Hummel Casino fun above all else. We'll give it 16 minutes of salt and then we'll, you know, get back on the bump and, and figure it out. It's not your fault. Two one hit hard in the air to right field a deep paralta kind of twisting around the watch. This one going to go just over the old wall in right field lead off home run for Corbin Carroll and the Diamondbacks take a 1-0 lead here in the first steps back kicks and deals and jerks it hits it in the air to deep right field. Carroll's going back. He's going to watch and it's going to go home run right over the fence in right field. So a lead off Homer in the top of the inning for Corbin Carroll a one-out homer for Pro far in the bottom of the inning and a 1-1 game here in the first one and one to Suarez. Not running. That one's hit in the air to left field and deep. So far's back at the wall going to go first row right over the fence in left field. A two run homer for Alejandro Suarez his second hit of the day and the Diamondbacks now lead at 3-1. Reno 0 for 3 here today pitch coming and he muscles that one in his shadow left field a little drop down and a base hit Newman on the score and an RBI single for Gabrielle Moreno the Arizona lead now 4-1 0-2 and Suarez lifts it in the air to left center field Pro far was over towards the line he's not going to be able to get it and it will two hop up against the wall Walker's screw is easily McCarthy right behind him for Domo on his way he will score a bases clearing double for a uhenio Suarez and the Diamondbacks have broken it open seven to one here in the ninth 3-2 sent in the air to left center again. Pro far long run going back still going back he is at the wall this one bounces in front of the fence and then hops over the wall a rule book double for Alec Thomas Suarez will come into score and it's 8-1 here in the ninth who's the 2-1 Carroll grounds and sharply to second base long flip for one on the first is in time a 4-6-3 double play Thomas comes into score from third base and the Diamondback lead is now 9-1 but the Padres get a couple of much needed out. The one hit in the air to right field pretty well struck Carroll back towards the corner and his zigzagging over gets to the spot on the warning track to make the catch and the ball game is over the Diamondbacks come to town they take two out of three and they will leave happy after a 9-1 win here this afternoon. He was really commanding he had a really good life on his ball today through the ball very well but he also was was throwing it where he wanted to secondary pitches were effective as well but his fastball had real giddy up today and he was able to throw where he wanted and see him right now having to move around a whole lot so he made a lot of quality pitches with good stuff. Sounds like cap tipping to me from the skipper Mike Shilp yeah I mean what else are you going to do some days you have to do that I Ryan Nelson typically is not the guy that you need to tip your cap to but he was yesterday and you know give him credit for coming in and absolutely dominating our beloved San Diego Padres who managed to eke out four hits in yesterday's rubber match yeah winning the first game of the season or the first game of the series in such a dramatic fashion having to come back and win it it was really special Friday night we'll talk about Friday night's game but you know you got close on Saturday okay fine to come out yesterday and just get just get crushed 9-1 was was that those are those games those Sunday games where it's like oh cool now again you almost understand it if they win Friday night dramatic fashion they find a way to win that game on Saturday night Paulie you almost kind of get it hey we won the series we're gonna you know get some guys off their feet no man you needed to to win that series yesterday this is important games Diamondback still hanging around division opponent division opponent they're still hanging around that home you want to win that series and you didn't you got body yesterday and you know I need to give a shout out to really the starting pitchers in this series they all they all did their job right nothing super spectacular but everybody did their job I mean Vasquez went six and a third on Friday night uh Waldron had another quality start six innings three run ball from Mount Waldron until it sees looks really really good yesterday again when you when you score one run it's really hard to expect these guys to be perfect now the bullpen really showed their ass in this series they really did they only had to throw eight and a third innings in this weekend series Randy went six Waldron went six sees went seven you can't ask for more from your starting pitcher yeah and they had been you know they had had their turn uh on the chopping block is they had not been giving any length they start to give length the bullpen falters they allowed 16 runs Paulie in the eight and a third innings that they threw that ERA is 17 20 Danielle Delos Santos it looks as lost uh as anybody I've ever seen gave up five run runs and one and two thirds Austin Davis gave up four in one inning a work it's really really tough now you go to a guy like Wandy Peralta so he is a guy we gave a four year deal to 32 year old reliever um kind of used him early on as like a setup man but Paulie in his last seven outings in his last yes last seven outings he's got a 506 ERA in his last 15 his ERA is 736 he's pitched only 11 innings uh in those last 15 appearances it's really really rough now he made 63 appearances for the Yankees last year 50 60 year before he's already appeared in 40 games so is it overused I'm telling you when I watch the Padres play and I try to put myself in the skipper shoes it gives me Harper and I try to think and you always see it on Twitter oh why would you go to him there and it's like well who else I mean Robert Suarez cannot throw every single inning of of high leverage that you need more hon is been pretty good pretty good ERA in his last seven is 245 293 in his last 15 233 in his last 30 he's he's developed into somebody that you can use for high leverage for some reason though they're really not willing to like there was a uh I think it was on Saturday night he came out through like 12 pitches got out of it and then they didn't go to him again I think they went to Wandy we ended up losing the game but even Stephen Collek is pitching better Yuki Matsui he's been fine in low leverage so Jeremiah Estrada has been a bright spot um he's got a 245 in his last seven Collek's three you know with a zero ERA in his last seven games so yeah some of those guys they're just overworked they're over taxed right now and really ineffective and that's not a good combination so it was a really really bad look for the bullpen this week you got to get that thing on track hopefully you know by yesterday's game when you look at the usage yesterday you never once you get down four or five runs you're like alright well it's this is Danielle's game and Austin Davis's game uh you know those guys are the only uh bullpen arms that pitched on Sunday so you should have a fresh bullpen coming into the series against Seattle but who's on the bump it's out of major what's he gonna give you allegedly allegedly out of major short said yesterday that they're still waiting to make an official announcement so that brings us to the other news of the weekend and I want to you know he's obviously not listening but you know I want to offer our uh support love condolences to starting picture you Darvish we don't really know what's going on with you Darvish right now other than he is on the restricted list uh he had asked to be put on the restricted list because of a personal matter I saw a lot of theories uh being floated around I think it's irresponsible uh for us to grow to speculate um I did see some speculation that kind of made my stomach turn you know from the usual suspect and uh I just thought to myself man I just doesn't feel right to even think about um anything all I know though is what was the update in in AC's newsletter this morning about it Kevin AC wrote in his daily newsletter it's called it's called hoping for you and he says virtually everything the Padres say suggests they expect starting picture you Darvish to return this season that may be more hope than expectation because it is also said to be up to Darvish whether or not he comes off the restricted list which he was placed on Saturday while he attends to a personal matter but the team could know in a matter of weeks whether he is returning as they would like to have clarity before the July 30th trade deadline about whether they will be paying him the rest of this season Darvish has owed about seven million dollars for the rest of the season players on the injured list are not paid okay so that has to do with the restricted list as well so yeah I mean obviously it's it's you have to talk about the business of baseball now the these guys are humans things go on in their personal life I don't know what it is I do know that you Darvish earned earned respect he has earned benefit of the doubt in my opinion what I love to have you Darvish back healthy a hundred percent pitching like you Darvish of course I'm a Padres fan we need him we want him we love him that being said man life does get in the way sometimes and so whatever it is that he's going through right now yeah I mean he he he does have a responsibility to let the Padres know I can't come back this year I'm not coming back and that in and of itself you know that's okay I think you just need to know so that you can adjust accordingly and it's fair for the Padres to want to know absolutely absolutely and it's a hundred percent fair for Darvish to yeah there's there's times where I get it fans the fan base they want transparency sure they want to know every detail of everything going on with their favorite team and I get that but there are times and this is one of those times where we don't need to know they have the paternity leave that means you that's telling you the fan hey he's having a baby he's gonna be off for a couple they have the the the leave for is it grieving or what do they call it me hell is it yeah grieving leave grieving leave you know that okay we just made that up somebody died they're gonna be off for a couple of days dealing with some family stuff we know that that's all we need to know when they put them on the restricted list and say that's all we're saying that's a personal matter and it doesn't matter why he's gone yeah all you your only response should be thinking about him yeah hoping for the best be really the bereavement agreement yes and you know what happens when you're on the bereavement list so I just Brandon asked the chat you know does that money he's not being paid decrease the luxury tax could they have more flexibility with spending at the trade I think the answer is yes yeah AC AC said yeah Darvish is out about seven million for the rest of the season the Padres have about 12 million in room under the first CBT threshold which they have vowed to stay under to avoid a substantial penalty this is not to say that they would commit anywhere close to 19 million factored in use seven for any players they acquire but they would need to add an additional starting picture beyond the one that they already seek if Darvish is not returning their preference is to have Darvish back but knowing he won't would create them some options yeah they would have a little bit of flexibility there obviously a roster spot you know that you could fill again it's just you don't see many guys beating down the door ready to make their debuts and pitch meaningful innings for this team down the stretch I'm so nervous about this team and I think that's a justified feeling I'm just nervous because when is the last time we have seen a team that has I guess what you would call this much magic so far this season and again I there's people rolling their eyes about saying a team that's 49 and 45 is magical but if you've watched every game bro with the exception of a few games here and there you feel like they're in it and they have a shot and whatever is going on in the water at Petco Park and everywhere else that they play there is magic on this team and they are finally playing like a team they are rooting for each other like a team you don't get selfish vibes that you've seen before we asked the question on the round table you know a month or so ago and I think Ben asked the question does this team need to prove something for AJ to go out and make moves now AJ is always going to be active he's always looking to improve the roster you can love him you can hate him he's always actively looking to improve have they earned it my answer is unequivocally yes they have earned a shot this year this team maybe more so than any team we've ever covered here is that a ball is that a bold statement I don't feel like it is no I think they deserve a shot it's it's a little bit of both it's partly because the National League is a dumpster fire it is a dumpster potter is by the way hottest team in the National League correct one of one of three that are six and four in their last ten right it's them the Cardinals and the Diamondbacks those are the three hottest teams in the National League everybody else is five and five or four and six yeah it's it's not good but that's one factor and then the potteries also are playing like they deserve to make it push and be in the playoffs I'm telling you I just hate the idea though of them getting into the dance and then just getting bodied because they don't have the arms the arms it happens every year every time the potteries but they they deserve the right they have played hard enough they've played together enough they've played well enough like even when the rotations healthy they haven't had enough arms yep they're like three guys down right now at least man at least so holy smokes man a lot more to talk about we got Sammy Levitt coming up at seven seven thirty five we could talk more about this we don't have take on woods today but we will qualify someone we'll just take your call you want to shoot the breeze by the potteries you can call us eight three three two eight zero nine seven three let's hear from you guys well this is this is Jackson Merrill that's all star Jackson Merrill to you this is why we are the San Diego soft media our buddy Adio Royster who's it lives in Philly potteries fan says can I just say the way you talk about you you too and the chat is not how it would play on Philly radio which is why I freaking love this team it's fans and it's sports guys and gals yeah I take that as a huge compliment because at the end of the day while we all bleed it and we live it and we diet and we plan our days around it we plan our lives around it we plan our finances around it we spend fortunes fortunes to watch and root for this team at the end of the day it's just a game it's just entertainment yo call me when you get your phone freaking Philly I mean do you really think if one of their guys went on the restricted list for a personal matter that they would roast him would they are there are actual people like that we know that it is it is it real or is it is it a bit be like is it I'm I have to play to the Philly fans and I can't get on the air and be like hey we love you Darvish we hope everything works out for him I'd like to see wrap my head around I can't either man it's just not how I'm wired that's not how I roll I am sympathetic and empathetic to to all of that they are human beings and I I forget it isn't it I forget it like the next guy like some of the things I say in the moment when I'm watching you know Bryce Johnson hit in a big moment it's not how I really am and how I really feel right I probably a great kid with a great family just a little overmatched okay it happens like it's not the end of the world it's a very difficult game but you know when it when it comes to you Darvish man you want to talk about a guy with the skins on the wall who's earned it who's a kind kind excellent human being that's the one you know there's there's guys I take all the time you need bro just get what get your head right whatever it is and come on back maybe one of the best pictures to put on a Padres uniform of all time no question he's one of the best pictures of my generation certainly man he's just he's incredible so the man loves being a Padres I get that sense oh yeah big time hundred percent it loves he loves the community like he's earned it yeah he's earned it he's absolutely earned it and he's a dog he wants the ball hundred percent he wants to be back out there as soon as possible I just I just you know that that's just not something I'm gonna do is come on here and and really speculate I saw so much awful awful stuff yesterday about it and just kind of kind of made me mad and sad but listen you Darvish take all the time you need and me you know in the in the meantime you Darvish and you Darvish alone was not going to to fix the pitching lows for the San Diego Padres and you know we were just talking about how the bullpen really was roughed up and you know with with the injury to Joe Musgrove and with you being out now yeah man you got you got three starting pitchers for five spots essentially and you're having to move things around you do have some off days but you're also counting on Adam Major to come out and give innings now you know you said shilt was yeah we're still kind of thinking about what we're going to do all right fine but I mean everyone saying you know we need a DFA this guy and DFA this guy and DFA this guy and we got to call this guy up I just don't know who's knocking on the door ready to roll you know right now and that's something that is way above my pay grade but it's it's a J. Preller's job and he's the one that's got to figure it out you would hate to waste you know the magic that we're seeing out of this team again it's finally this they're finally the team that we've been wanting to see and again I know the record doesn't necessarily indicate dominance but home oh my god is there anybody out there that can honestly say eh I don't know they're just not they're not that good man they're so much fun they play so hard they never quit I mean it's just it's tough for me to stomach that I'm trying to remember exactly what happened this happened with like a year may last year maybe two years ago the Seattle Mariners I think we had softie our buddy up from Seattle yeah on the show because there were like there was like outrage from the players like they went to the media and they said they were so mad at the front office do you remember this I do they didn't make a trade it was Cal Raleigh or something it was like like they didn't go out and acquire the time and they were very similar to this Padres team they were there were above expectations they were in a playoff spot but they needed some reinforcements for sure you could read the right writing on the wall like they needed another arm in the office didn't go out they didn't believe in that group of players and the players were pissed and it was the Rangers their division rival who did go out and make a bunch of moves and they were so so hot about it and yeah I just that's you can't you can't have that you can't have it you're going to run out of time so I understand also that AJ Preller over the years has has painted himself into this kind of corner of continuing to acquire acquire acquire trade prospects for trade prospects for morning and it's like I don't want to get on here and be like no no no trust me this time it's going to work I realize how that sounds I do I'm not a moron and I feel hesitant to even say it but I feel it and I know a lot of Padres fans feel it too you know what I mean I just that's how I feel they're so fun to watch they're grinding hard they're playing hurt they're they're they're really really playing together so yeah you'd hate to let this one wouldn't go by we got anybody online poly yeah I got a couple of calls or I'm a fucking partners about Robert I believe Robert you're on the air Robert good morning my friend hey guys how you doing doing well man how about you I do brother well but I just want to know how long do you think you will take his view of absence you know we were talking about it I really don't know it's it's up in the air but again one thing you'll one thing I can promise you about you Darvish I promise you and I don't think I'll have to eat my words here he's not going to disappear whatever he's going through right now he's going to let the Padres know one way or the other if he's available to pitch and available to come back and be a hundred percent committed to the team I don't know what the issue is it's really hard for me to speak on it because I don't know what's going on like I said I've seen speculation I don't it's all speculation until he confirms it or the potteries confirm it and we may never know exactly what's going on with you Darvish but all we have is like what Kevin AC wrote we just read it in our last segment if you missed it though you know it's basically like there's a possibility that he doesn't return the season correct like they just aren't saying anything they're not saying how long it could be what's going on where he's even at if he's here if he's in Japan like nothing and that's fine it's not on us to we don't deserve to know that information yeah but he will let the team know so that they can plan and they said they're going to give them a couple weeks because they need to know before July 30th are we going after one pitcher two pitchers their four pitchers yeah or like what does here is what Mike Schiltz said this was before Saturday's game over the weekend just making the announcement you can take it for what he said all right so he's going to step away from the team a little while he's going to go on the restricted list he's dealing with a personal matter involving his family you know clearly we want to respect his privacy he wants to make sure everybody knows you know he's physically in a good spot he's still working on his craft but he is going to step away right now and deal with some things on a personal level and we're going to love and support him he's part of the Padre family but at the moment he's going to take us to take a break from the team they're restricted list is indefinite so you can you know we have no timeline on it the only thing we want to do it the primary thing rather we want to do is just making sure you feels loved and supported by his by his Padre family yeah I mean that's it that's all we know is what was his name Robert is he still in the line I know he dropped him I was going to qualify him but well maybe Luis can qualify hey guys yeah we got you buddy hey man I just want to say now really quick you Darvish is probably the only guy one of the only guys who deserves as much time as you do for whatever reason he's going to what whatever it is we just need to think do you get well get better get right we got you we got you we love you man whenever you come back good for us get well buddy that's it man I all this stuff that I was reading that like you said I would be was just garbage was just garbage and I want you to what be well I want you to come back to us you know as soon as possible of course but he's taking time whatever it is take the time you that's all I've got man thanks guys say stay on the line bro we're going to qualify you for the take on woods prize we would normally do take on woods here and that would normally be brought to you by valvoline instant oil change it only takes 15 minutes you don't have to get out of your car for directions and discounts go to SoCal oil change dot com that's SoCal oil change dot com will qualify you for the to not get away to Rio Las Vegas how about that so stay on the line Luis now I think that's you know pottery fans for the most part or they get it they're they're understanding they understand that this is just one of those things that happens throughout the course of the season he's not the first person that this has happened to me won't be the last so in the meantime though you do have to find guys that can can go out and get outs as well and and that's that's a challenge it's a challenge in the market right now there's so many teams that are in it right now in the NL the price for any picture is just going to be sky high and we were talking about yesterday in the dugout of the Tier 1 baseball team like who do you get who can you get you got to sure up the bullpen and I'm like well listen there's a couple of teams there was announcement made this morning essentially that barring some miraculous run the Texas Rangers are going to be we talked about this last week they're basically open for Biz and I'm Andrew Haney Max Scherzer I mean Old Friend Kirby Yates as well I mean they're they're really five or six guys that they're going to make available I mean I guess that's a year it's probably easier to do a year after winning a World Series but you know what like it's probably easier to stomach for the families you just want a World Series it's also a bummer like oh I thought we were going to continue to little die to build a little something here but that's how you do it man if you can assess where you're at and this is what's gotten us in trouble here well and what they can sell some pieces and still have a hell of a core oh yeah for next year and you just you restock they've got it they've got a really good good core there as well and it's just kind of a to bummer the guys in that clubhouse the guys like Corey Seeer and Marcus Simeon guys like that are like oh we're going to do the old the old sell but also like keep our core intact and try to win and and really it's the smart thing to do like that selling without a fire sale I think there's a couple of seasons that have gone by in A.J. Proler's tenure where you could look at it and say probably should have done this probably should have done that can't do anything about it now right but you know last year knowing what we know yeah man being able to get rid of Hader and and Snell for a premium would have really really potentially set this team up for the future maybe I mean you never know you never know what you had gotten back but it was probably the smart move we didn't we didn't because we had a huge payroll committed to winning so I really can't fault A.J. for that yeah dug in and there now you took ninety two million dollars off the top and now you have a team that's playing way better and like way better baseball way more entertaining way more together than that team last year now you're in a pickle going oh god now I have to reward the or I want to reward these guys do I have the prospect capital to do it that's going to be the most interesting interesting thing and we'll see we got it on in the studio they just went to break but they were talking about a scuba from Detroit yeah I mean that guy is maybe the best pitcher in baseball right now he's up there yep and he very well could be available but I just I mean I don't know A.J. Proler's done he's moved mountains before with trades maybe he could get it done but it feels like that would cost an Ethan Salas or a Deverese at least one of those two are for sure gonna have to be included in that package do you do that for three years of control I don't ask me this I have I mean you can't do both getting paid two and a half million this year nothing he's got three more years he's got two years of Arb and then becomes a free agent yeah I know I know man it is it's what A.J. Proler is probably sitting up at night thinking about what what do I need to do what could I fleece them for you you're going to need like whatever moves you make you're gonna have to there's gonna have to be a little fleecing involved in my opinion I mean you know people are wise to what the Padres need they're wise to what the Padres want but they're really wise to what the Padres have or don't have and of course the first thing is all right yeah we'll do that for Salas and Deverese right maybe one of them yeah gonna need to need both your vision can figure out how to get him over here and not give up either of those guys probably that's the fleecs build the statue I mean at that point but that's that's like trading for Luis or I he's making the Marlins pay for it all he's gonna cost everything he's in cost everything you've got so yeah so we'll see we'll see how the trade deadline plays out we got the spring training Sammy coming up at 735 and then the great Tim Flannery will be in at eight tell some baseball stories talk about it all but listen we got don't do this coming up next and man I will tell you this was really interesting story that broke on Friday I followed it pretty closely San Diego soccer right now is certainly a hotbed of activity and it's not all good news right now we're gonna tell you everything that's going on with the wave that is just pretty gnarly to read and we'll do that next on don't do this we'll be right back it's Ben & Woods 97-3 the fan don't do this it's time for don't do this what were you thinking three stories from the world of sports that make us all shake our heads how many times do I have to tell you I'm sorry I fudged up guys you idiot the apple sometimes does far fall from the tree don't do this do not tweet that with Ben & Woods I like and they go back song or two on 97-3 the fan don't do this brought to you by the craft taco in Serenno Valley the craft taco has some of the best quality tacos in all of San Diego go to the craft taco dot com take a look at their happy hour specials today the craft taco dot com I can give you two portly thumbs up on the craft taco it is delicious so yeah I said Friday because Wednesday was our Friday so that's like I keep saying oh this this came out on Friday no it was actually Wednesday I think Annie and Braden talked about it a little bit on their show but I did see an email come out or a tweet come out from a young lady named Brittany Alvarado and it was in regards to her treatment when she worked at the the wave and it was pretty tough to read you know talking about her commitment to the team she moved cross-country in and essentially things went bad right as things sometimes do but she said since the team's inception over 30 employees who have been fired or quit with nearly 75% of them being women underscoring the deep issues within the club many of these employees are hesitant to speak publicly about their experiences reflecting the widespread fear surrounding these issues and and so you know she names the president Jill Ellis my name in the in her tweet and the interesting thing to me was she also included an email that allegedly came from a high ranking official at the wave now that that email has been proven to be sent by somebody else outside the organization from a hot mail account that was that was they were masquerading as somebody inside inside the building essentially and it was really mean said you know you deserve to be out of here and whatever yeah you're pathetic so but it wasn't just that it was it was more more women speaking up there was another young lady Bernadette O'Donnell said look this is all I can say but please know that NWSL employees deserve protection and safety we deserve to be believed she talks again about moving for her dream job her mental health she opened up to her boss about her mental health concerns and it was a very unhealthy work environment and you know ended up not being employed there after three days after doing that and you know it's funny man is somebody that has talked openly about my struggles with mental health I'm very thankful that Adam and Odyssey and you guys and everybody the audience you know it's it's to have that support to know I have that support feels spectacular the wave though what what kind of made the hair on the back of my neck stand up is when I saw when I saw their response their statement their statement came out pretty soon after her tweet it said San Diego wave FC has been made of a recent social media post by a former employee contains inaccurate and defamatory statements about the club not only does the post contain a fabricated email but the claims made therein or categorically false including the ones directed at our president Jill Ellis we're currently reviewing this situation we intend to pursue all legal avenues available to appropriate appropriately address this matter and I thought to myself man whether that emails reel or fake you know you have several people talking about a toxic culture and I thought you just you just did a little bit of unraveling of of some goodwill maybe that you had in the community not to say that they can't write the ship and get things fixed and everything else but so many so many women were tweeting about certainly a different path they could of yeah there's a different path and I think could have said something like we strive to you know strive to correct environment for all of our employees these are serious allegations we're looking into it we're not taking it lightly there was an investigation last year I guess at the wave and some of their front office practices and I guess they were cleared in that investigation so but again it's tough man and and if you've ever worked in a toxic work environment I certainly have it eats at you it eats at your soul I worked in one of the most toxic places on the planet and it almost killed me I mean it was where you get up in the morning and you have to physically drag yourself to the shower and it wasn't because I have the jobs hard I got to make a bunch of phone calls it was no the people that I worked with my bosses would call you all kinds of slurs and stuff if you didn't do this or that and it's just like holy smokes man and and you try to be you know macho and grind through it there's just no place for it man there's just no reason it doesn't have to be that way you know and the other thing that bugged me is I saw Alex Morgan come out and she was she crafted a really beautiful tweet and people were ragging on her that she needs to do more and you know what she's an employee of the wave it's not the employees job to. Take shrapnel for the employer ever it's not my job to take shrapnel for odyssey in fact it's the other way around you know what I mean it's not my job to come in and defend if there's bad behavior to to defend that so really interesting story that came out you know people are trying to get to the bottom of it and it's just it really really blew up over the weekend so again to the to the women that were affected by it I'm glad you're still here you know many of them were talking about you know that they didn't want to live anymore after that that's how toxic was for them so I'm glad you're still here I'm glad you spoke out and hopefully they can get in and clean clean it up you know that's that's what people are asking for accountability and and clean up your side of the street that's really it. We'll move on a rough weekend for one Colton Brewer a right handed reliever for the Chicago Cubs he entered Saturday's game in relief and it did not go well for him he got two outs and then was pulled he was charged with three runs only one of them were earned two hits two walks and he hit a guy yeah and great day at the ballpark those outings happen for every butcher what you can't let happen is what he did when he got into the dugout and that was punching the dugout wall in frustration the day before and I don't believe these were padded walls because he broke his hand his left hand so again not his throwing hand but still I mean yeah he is on the 60 day of the 60 now like it doesn't you're looking at like a mid September return at best and he just cannot have that my friend you know the emotions of of under performance it happens to all of us what is the best way what's the best way to take out your frustration if you're a pitcher or take a bat to the old water take a bat to the water cooler I mean these days you need to take it down the tunnel you want to want anybody else to get hit with any shrapnel you don't want you know you don't want to hurt anybody else I've got it what is I've got the solution every ballpark and Major League Baseball should install a rage room right in the tunnel but can you get you've been to a rage room can you get hurt in there I think you can no I mean dude you're geared up head to toe you got the helmet with the mask by the time you broken glass everywhere by the time you get all set up you're probably not even mad anymore you know what I mean like it's like fake rage at that point I get it man I've kicked the hell out of a trash can before I'd definitely thrown a glove the old love throws pretty good yeah the glove thrown to the the bench is pretty good can't really hurt you like I don't even like like the throwing the bats because not the bat boys got to go out there and pick my love you didn't do it in wrong you know your messes but I think a rage room would solve a lot of problems they actually got a shot somebody got a picture of Colton Wong squaring up or cold water squaring up against the wall and it is it's like him after he hit the wall and yeah again not your throw in hand but stand dude and now you're out a really frustrating every frustrating season in general for the Chicago Cubs I mean they the expectations were through the roof they have thoroughly thoroughly disappointed in every way and now this is a little bit more of a light hearted story but a brilliant one D D mega doo do probably actually brought this to my attention dad not seen the the Yankees did a bobblehead day now bobbleheads are great my kids absolutely love bobbleheads we have a whole collection and they honestly they're like behind a like a lattice like you can see through it right but we don't they don't like they don't want to play with them I don't know why but for kids not gonna be worth anything you know what I mean but they're there I think a lot of people everybody thinks their bobbleheads gonna be worth something someday I mean maybe like the show hey bobblehead and things like that but this one I think well you have to look it up on eBay while I'm telling the story but the Yankees did a giveaway and they did George Costanza it's the first bobblehead like we've gotten bobbleheads from work I've gone I bought tickets on bobblehead night and it's cool to get it I've never felt like I need to go online and buy this bobblehead this one maybe I might buy this one how much is it I'm looking right now but they did a Costanza bobblehead giveaway at Yankee Stadium and it was just it was phenomenal obviously you remember from Seinfeld when he got the job with the Yankees and he all of a sudden becomes very smart when he's teaching the guys how to hit home runs and and making moves and making decisions within the organization it was brilliant brother going for like two hundred dollars a pop two hundred okay I was actually thinking they'd be a little bit more 200 is is doable for a Costanza bobblehead so that was uh that was our do do this I think it's a really good I'm so glad bobblehead George was a fan fave no I don't get anything for it except joy that 35 years after putting on those glasses people are still enjoying our work the show is a gift from you to us from us to you us to you maybe yeah thanks for keeping it alive he is is brilliant and one of the best giveaways I've ever seen one of the best characters on in television history if we were to do it here because we you know we do the players and I love some of the creativity they've had like Joe and his dog was really good yeah Nanda Lorian is really really cool with Fernando I love it who would be like the San Diego that we did like who would it who would it be it has to be from pop culture so maybe like no it would be wouldn't it be Ron burgundy yeah you say classy San Diego it's unfortunate that that's I'm on burgundy that's absolutely accurate now there are other San Diego it would be amazing Tony Hawk would be incredible that'd be cool it'd be a really cool but it's not really pop culture he's an athlete you know so from pop culture San Diego's pop culture they would probably do any better see he doesn't even claim us at all like I think he's they skipped us on the last tour like he as much as we want him to claim San Diego he really is claim I really doesn't he doesn't do it all he's like yeah Chicago Seattle anywhere but San Diego like I think they skipped us again so yeah I think it would probably be no you can't do blink the one of the guys the Dodger fan there's no way pop culture would it's got to be anchor man it's got to be I don't want I'm not saying I want it I'm just saying that's what it would be it'd be a Ron burgundy bobblehead probably by this Costanza one before the Ron burgundy I think I would too I'm very over anchor man very very over it all right coming up in about what that was don't do this with Ben and Woods 97 three the face speaking of Pearl jam oh we got to tip Flannery joining us at eight but next we'll talk to our pal in season Sammy we haven't really talked about the all-stars yet and our beloved five all-stars going to Arlington Texas excited to talk to us to in season Sammy next he'll join us and we will catch chop it up with him and thank him again for his service on Friday we'll be right back Ben and Woods 97 through the fan all right welcome back Ben and Woods 97 three the fan I'll be Monday to you Benny still he's actually I think on his way back from Santa Barbara right now he'll be back tomorrow got Tim Flannery joining us at eight and but right now after traffic we're gonna check in with our pal in season Sammy Levitt all right and joining us on the line now is our beloved beloved Sammy Levitt Sammy how are you pal good morning woodsy good morning Paul good to be with you looking forward to hearing the two hours with Tim Flannery I've been doing the last couple of days with the Padres celebrating that 1984 team I've been doing some research on that team and a pretty pretty incredible team and the way they came back in the NLCS to go to the world series and all that so I'm looking forward to hearing those two hours coming out well there's nobody that tells a story like flan and we were really looking forward forward to it too on a Monday but I want to do you know obviously Sammy dropped the last two games after a after one of the greatest greatest nights at Petco Park that we've I mean it's been so many of them this year Friday night was just an elite elite night you know they should it's it's one of those things we've been saying kind of regularly lately if you have to continue to walk teams off it means you might have done something wrong and they did they did I mean you coughed up a five run lead had to come back and win it but what a moment it was for Manny what a moment it was for the entire team it was just incredible on Friday night yeah I mean it was just I mean what do you even say about that one inning alone right the roller coaster it was and losing the lead and having to bring Suarez in which I'm with you has happened way too often where the Padres have had these big leads late and then somehow have to go get Suarez and bring them in on three days you know in a row and it didn't go well and you know I don't think that's the fault of Robert you know he's pitching three days in a row and I thought came in in a really tough spot there you know although he did give up the two home runs and then obviously they they did what they've been doing at home for a while and that is just find ways and show fight and show grit and rise to the occasion I mean obviously the Manny home run was special and was unbelievable but how about jerks and pro fall I mean I thought I thought his lead off home run in that ninth inning it totally changed the the tenor of that inning and quickly number one sort of major brief for a second and not necessarily forget about what happened at the top of the evening but really I thought in that moment major feel like they were going to win the game and I think something I talked to a lot of people about at the ballpark on Saturday and I do think this is a real credit to this team and a real thing with this team you really don't feel like they are out any game and they are out of any game late like I felt like a lot of people in that ballpark and on the media side of things really really felt like even when they got down in the ninth like we looked at the part of the order coming up and you felt like they had a real shot that they were still come back and find a way to win it and quite frankly on Saturday night I was sort of shocked they didn't find a way right yeah it was right there and seeing them especially at home and especially lately just find the big kid in so many situations so Saturday it was almost surprising they they couldn't get that one big kid and then that's right it was that the final score of the game was not really indicative of of the game that it was I mean it's been proved all picked right and was started so I will lose the submarine Sami is back we're gonna try to get you on the different try to get him on the zoom link or something yeah give me one second Sammy now he's right I absolutely thought Saturday night in fact I wasn't even really worried I was more shocked that they didn't end up tying that game because that's how that's the brand of baseball they've been playing this year and well again while it's exciting to watch and and it makes my blood pressure go through the roof it's not a sustainable way to play but man I'll take that you know it was one of those losses on Saturday where I thought all right I mean you know you battled your ass off and sometimes it's just not your night didn't get the big hit when you needed it but I didn't mind that one so much yesterday I did yesterday I didn't I did not like that game at all and I just could not get anything going offensively against Ryan Nelson and so yeah but I and Friday it was so crazy I saw it was the first time in MLB history that there was a grand slam yep a go ahead home run yep a game tying home run and a walkoff home was incredible and one and it was incredible Sammy you were there you were on the scene now it was a long day for you because you had to work the morning show because of the loads he's dialing into the oh he's dialing into the zoom right now just wait a minute and it'll be worth it because we'll have a much much better connection yeah scuba Sammy is what they're calling them in the same yeah it's underwater yeah well no he's he's joining I'm waiting for him to turn on his audio just wait that's fine we got no problem we're just hanging out I don't want to get a little breather it is Samuel yeah no hey so much better so much better okay good I I'm so sick of this cell service inside my apartment I'm I'm just over it so it is what it is that there there's literally there's about a five foot spot in my kitchen and I swear to you it's not like I'm standing in this spot where I have literally no service at all so there is something about this apartment I'm gonna have to stop doing it from here I mean you know you're fine we're just gonna do the zoom link even if you're just on the phone is just the audio that's fine you sound crystal clear right now okay great just to wrap up I wasn't you know saying anything super groundbreaking but look yeah look that the game on Sunday obviously I think it was better pitch then you know what the final score was but look for as good as the win was on Friday and it was awesome and it spoke volumes about what this team has been in their ability to rise the moment rise to the occasion show great show fight they have certainly given you all of that and have shown they are a quite different group from what they were a year ago look I still thought it was at least a little disappointing to still not find a way to win the series and look credit to the Diamondbacks I mean they had a brutal loss on Friday and and came back and found a way to win the next two so you know look am I gonna go crazy over it no considering how well they played lately but I will say this and I think it goes back to you know what I said filling in for you guys on on Friday morning and that's I just feel that there are really you know two things that are important for this team right now and in the next week or so number one just finishing this first half on a high note and I'm not saying you got to go win the next five in a row but you know winning three out of five again two good teams that would be a really nice way to finish the half and I just think for this group the way they're constructed right now the injuries the guys they're missing it you just have to avoid letting two games become a skid two losses in a row is not that big of a deal but you know to turning into three four or five that's where things could get pretty tricky pretty quickly for this team and look we sort of have that conversation last week when they lost the final game in Boston and the first one in Texas and they found a way to you know not allow that to become a skid I just think this team desperately needs to avoid the quote on quote skid right now I do feel talking to Sammy Levitt here on Ben & Woods this morning I do feel that this team and we're certainly not the only team in baseball that feels this way but I do feel that we are on constantly the razors edge right I just constantly feel like oh god oh god and they've proven me wrong so many times and you know me I'm not the most negative oh here we go again I'm not that person I like when they win I love when they win I celebrate the wins I celebrate the effort I celebrate all of it you know I love I love this team I really do but I do feel circumstances beyond our control Sammy that they're on the razors edge right now I mean you got a beleaguered bullpen that did not have a good series at all against Arizona and now you know potentially out of measure on the bump tomorrow against the Seattle Mariners they got some really really good arms coming in it's it's it's you know it's it's precarious right now is the word that I would use yeah I totally understand it and and I'm with you I mean for as well as they've played as of late it does feel a little bit like that because of the injuries they're dealing with and and quite frankly and it's almost a credit to them because of some of these guys that have contributed in such a major way because of the jerks and pro-fars because of the Jackson barrels because of the Donovan Solanos because of the Matt Waldreins and you know Randy Vasquez I mean the last two starts have been really really really good yeah by the line driving Boston but he was he was really good before that half the other day was really good again and look they have to their credit they have found a way to stay afloat through these injuries and you know through a rotation that has been banged up and through you know a bullpen that has been up and down aside from a couple of guys look the bullpen you know on the road script they were awesome yeah right yeah look at the you look at the two close games they won in Texas the bullpen was actually fantastic for those two games and on the road trip they had a sub on ERA in six days and and it totally flipped in this series against the Diamondbacks and obviously Delo Santos was was sort of a big part of it but there were other guys you know in that mix as well and you're right would see it's I still don't think for as well as they played you know and I don't mean to pour any cold water on it but yeah the margin for error still as they still deal with these injuries and as far as bullpen and rotation look you would you would assume at some point in the next month there's going to be some help on the way one way or another what that's going to cause the Padres obviously we have no idea who that's going to be we obviously have no idea but but I'm with you it still sort of feels like until there's some help on the way yeah it's going to be this thing where it's like staying afloat until you can get get that help and obviously it sounds like there's a pretty good chance that the Zander you know maybe back here soon and that's you know the first piece of help back on the way but I'm with you would see the margin for error is still not very big but to their credit they have they have found a way to some more than than stay afloat yeah and like I said I mean there's a there's a bunch of teams right now on that razor's edge as well guys are injured or not performing you know the Mets are one of those teams the Diamondbacks one of those teams Giants are one of those teams there's certain you know we were just talking about it in the last 10 games I mean if you look at it go to the National League go to standings and look at last 10 it's just media excuse me mediocre as you can get I mean it's five and five five and five five and five four and six four and six Padres Cardinals and Diamondbacks the only teams with a winning record over the last 10 games and it's just bananas to see so it in some sense makes it even a little bit more frustrating because it's like it's it's literally there for the taking you just got to go get it but do they have the pieces what the pieces they do have though Sammy five five representatives going to the all-star game in uh in Arlington very very happy whole out crowd the whole outfield is sent the the area we all sat in here and said oh boy they are toast in the outfield well they're all all-star so again nobody knows anything Sammy but I'm very happy for these guys saw a lot of Dodger fans upset that Louisa rise is getting in for me the leader the hit leader should always go to the all-star game because hitting is very very very very hard it's very hard to do and he's got more than anybody that's a no-brainer for me I don't care what his war is yeah I like war it's fine but he's the hit leader he goes to the all-star game that's just how it works yeah I agree with you and and look uh obviously the numbers for Luis overall the last handful of weeks haven't been as as stellar as as what they were but you still look at it the guy is hitting what as of yesterday three fourteen three fifteen I mean when a guy is hitting like that and you're right the hits leader in in his league I'm with you on that and look there are just some remarkable stories from this team going to the all-star game obviously pro far is right there maybe the best story of this all-star game which is incredible and the Jackson Merrill stories is right there with them I mean you know I don't know if you guys read off that list that AJ Casaville put out of players that you know in the last 40 years they've been younger than then Jackson Merrill you have to appear in an all-star game it's insane like it's greatness it's Hall of Famers it is when you consider his his journey to this point the limited amount of experience in the upper levels of minor leagues learning center field the place he had never played done it is simply remarkable and it's a huge credit to him and even Robert Suarez guys I mean this was a guy who the Padres signed after pitching in Japan and and I don't know that you know we all knew when he first got here really you know you know what he was going to be in the major leagues and and obviously has a great 2022 and a stellar postseason and you know last year had his ups and downs and takes the role of Josh Hader and I don't care about Friday and this conversation has been a rock yeah absolutely rock under the hole pin and he talked he talked about deserving all-stars he is right there as far as guys who who absolutely deserved to be there and even to tease I mean now that we know about the leg and basically that he's been playing on a compromised leg for you know but it sounds like months uh it's pretty impressive that he did what he did considering that so I think all of these guys have their own sort of unique and impressive uh journeys to this point but you know in particular I mean pro far Meryl Suarez I mean they're just great stories and Sammy I love you thank you Sammy you get laid off we love you love you love you love you halfway home on a Monday Ben and Woods 97 3 the fan first of I would apologize to Sammy Levitt for well playing him off because we ran out of time and Paulie was giving me the wrap-up and I'm like bro he's on a roll I can't I don't I'm not Ben where I could just go da da da da da da da da and just plow through I just let him finish if he runs out of time he runs out of time you know like I don't know what to tell him but then people were in the chat I'm like why is everyone being mean about Sammy and you're like Sammy has a list but he doesn't have a list not that there's anything wrong with having a list but he doesn't have a list no he doesn't but he's then texted you and said why did zoom give me a list did you put him on some I didn't do anything so good Sammy Levitt joins us the moment rise to the occasion show grits show fight they have certainly given you all of that and it like it really did yeah somebody said it sounded like he had a retainer in yeah they're working on some of this line oh man I did it I get it I was he's like what happened I don't know I thought you had a retainer in honestly Tyler said Paulie activated the brace face filter yeah it makes you sound different well we are very honored this morning to be joined by one of my dear friends one of my favorite people in the world the great Tim Flannery joins the program morning flam good morning everybody how are you I'm really good you know we had a night at the belly up last night and I played the last three songs so I every day game I would walk in the club house and say why is everybody up in the middle of the night right that's kind of how I feel at the moment and that's when you played and coached right like you just the day game for a baseball player not your favorite yeah he was always great once you got there and got working and got but you know you get on your schedule you get in the grind of the 162 games and but it's just part of it it's part of who can sustain all the things that happen over a season because the season is so long and how long is it you might think even though I did a lot I did 25 years in the big leagues and you know managing all at every level in the minor leagues but my last year I didn't even know that my nephew got his wife pregnant in spring training and she had a baby before the World Series was over the season is so long you can carry a baby a human in your body and that's when I said I'm going home and I'm going surfing this is exactly it's exactly why I wanted to bring Flynn in this morning to to chop it up we got a chance to have gotten you know a chance to get to know you over the last couple years and certainly in fantasy camp got to spend some time together and hang out but you know being able to coach your grandson Jesse was so when I found out that Jesse was on my squad I was like oh my god Tim Flaira he's gonna be at my games he's gonna be watching me coach which is very intimidating you're a great coach thank you very much and Flynn's a plan to pull me aside he goes I don't know how you do this and I said I don't either I don't either and and you said when we get to the real deal where there's outs and you know strikes and ball you give me call and we'll work with them and you'll get the fun goes go and get them on their knees picking the grounders and stuff because that's what that's the stuff I'm really looking forward to I couldn't believe how great they got and how much they improved and that's a totally a credit to you and you and I manage at the every level in the minor leagues I manage the Padres rookie league when all the all Americans come to you you know in June and we always said you got the three P's you got to be persistent you got to be patient you could be positive and you were that and you are that so thank you for you know because I don't ever want to put pressure on look I never played catch with my father my father was a Christian minister a hillbilly minister out of the mountains of Kentucky my mother's brother is how Smith who played for the World Series his 1960 Pittsburgh Pirates and he was a songwriter so I always thought that everybody played baseball and guitar yeah right I didn't think there was anything bad about it you know so the baseball and the music really came from my mother's side and you're so I got a chance to meet your mom and and see her and she is how old again 92 92 years old was at this birthday party and her brother was house myth he played for the pirates as you mentioned so the World Series against the Yankees everyone remembers Mazaroski but how Smith did what well the Yankees were killing and when they won those games when they won three of the games against the pirates it was like 13 to 1 and 12 did nothing and and when the pirates would win and be 2 to 1 3 to 2 and in game 7 down by two runs my my uncle pinched it and the eighth inning had a three run bomb that put the pirates ahead and then the Yankees that next innings tied the game and then Mazaroski won at the next inning so we I you know we had the real to real big films of the pirates and I just always loved it and was always just a baseball guy that loved I used they say I used to sit and watch games when I was two years old I probably did yeah 100% and we talk a lot about it because as a dad of a player that is absolutely on fire for the game you know you do worry about the burnout and this and that and you kind of said the same thing you said now I was the same way I had never could get enough everyone said you would burn out and here you are still you're still not burned out well the neighbors I used to tell my mom you know that he's gonna burn out he's gonna burn out and he and they were right you know like about 2015 I had enough after about after 50 years right all right well both can make another 50 years I'm pretty happy joined by Tim Flannery in studio this morning flan was telling me at this party and again we remember we got to edit part of the story but there was a yeah tell me about the strike in baseball when you went through the strike and just listen to how different it is now than it was then this is now wait this is fascinating I went to four of four and the two of them are over 50 days and I'm gonna start on the other side and then work back to the strike for context the most recent strike how long was that that was the lockout the lockout that was like 90 days 90 days something like that but that's how I coached you know I would say I can remember I was in charge of all the bunny in San Francisco and 45 minutes a day I had the pictures and I would bun them and hit and run and slash and we were the best in the league where they got signs we you know because we worked on it 45 minutes every day but some days like I can remember Matt Cain said I'm not gonna do it I go and I grabbed him by the the uniform I go I went on four strikes so you can make a billion dollars so you now you come and save my job wow so I mean that's that's how but the story you like and it is the honest god truth this is before cell phones 1981 we went on a 50 day strike and it didn't seem like it was going to end at all and I was living in Del Mar in a little beach house for 400 bucks a month my wife at the time was not my wife she was in Europe and we were gonna get married anyway I was on a surf trip and I was down in Mexico when the you know when the the strike settled but nobody could get ahold of me I didn't know I was surfing every day playing beach volleyball every day I mean I was in fighting shape and when I finally did get back a couple days later everybody's getting on a scale and guys are like 20 pounds overweight you know I was five pounds underway but you've been down in Mexico doing Taylor shot surfing all day but think about that for a minute so you go on strike and to think like what how you got you know me Paulie yeah you know me we go on strike and I'm just like all right get me later like there's no way I would have been calling someone every day we closed because you just said I'm going surfing and how did you know to come back you didn't you just happened to come back when the surf trip ended we came back and when I got to the border and you know and of course we're servers they had to take our car apart oh they've got to have drugs if they're serving yeah well they've been down there for two months or whatever and then they were telling me hey the strikes like a what so we got to you know we went right to the ballpark the panic they say how late were you to like reporting two days two two days but the funny thing about the whole thing was not funny really at that time but I was I got sent to triple a and I'm thinking this is great you know and I was making big league minimum which was thirty two thousand dollars good god and this was 1981 and the Padres called me up they knew there was going to be a 50 day strike they didn't know it was going to be 50 day strike but they knew it was going to be a work stoppage and to save money that's where the money was these days it was thirty two thousand dollars they didn't want to pay it that's unbelievable but it did you got your big league time you got 50 days more big league time you know I had 10 years when a final was over I was a player they got 10 years in the big leagues and a coach that 15 years in the big leagues so I had 25 years so you know it all worked out every it was just you know the game was different the city was different everything here it's been it's been amazing to watch it just become you know what it is and all the people that the the side lures and all the folks that that had a lot to do with it so grateful you know San Diego when we first got came to the big leagues and my 10 years I've played for seven different managers in 10 years like three different front offices so it was so hard to find any continuity it really until Dick Williams came in and put this club together and and the organization started uh you got on the got on the map got it got rolling and it's great to been been a part of some of that early success well and it's great to have you back in the fold uh with the San Diego Padres for for us you know uh certainly when we heard you were going to be at camp I was so elated and um the the stories that we got to hear from 84 second to none Ben moderated the whole thing it was incredible some of the best baseball stories I've ever heard you know I hope you enjoyed fantasy camp because I need you back there every year now both of you guys played really well so I am at fantasy camp so during the tryout section I tell all the good players fake injury yeah you know we'll still draft you number one but we need you to not to get drafted by somebody else it's uh it's it's it's it's been great to see you back in the fold you know I've been in town for 14 almost 15 years and there was a time when it didn't feel like you were and now that you are it's great I mean and and honestly like bygones by or bygones and you're back to and stuff with the team and of course you're you know you still have a huge piece of your heart in San Francisco you got three rings there with the San Francisco Giants nobody begrudges you that but it's just great to have you back around the San Diego Padre I love it you know you it reminds me of who I am and and what really happens you know people think that you know we just left San Diego that's not the case well just because you're with the San Diego Padre's we had different ownerships we had different front offices and uh San de Alder said would send a little computer readout every day down to Boats that's who's who's supposed to play that night is that right and Boats back then and Boats would tell the the guy that walked in with you know he's like four feet with the last boat says you take that up to whoever gave it to me and tell him to shove it up it so Boats when he was leaving and think about that the guy won two division titles and they let him walk yeah uh you know and I'll hear Boats fired me in 2002 and I needed to be fired because I don't pretend well and we we got to the the ballpark passed in 98 by winning we had to win to get the ballpark passed with the voting and then all the lawsuits kept it from happening uh so we you know we just had to hang with him you know and we were told develop a couple guys but it's not going to be pretty well I I'm not your guy if you're pretending and he got unhealthy for me you know and uh so Boats you know said hey you gotta go but it's awful and then in 2007 I'm walking my dog and and I get this phone call from Boats and he goes you got another ride left in you uh he goes they're trying to win up there and then he sent me the video of lonesome dove about the two pig farmers retired at home kicking the pigs and that's where he got me I said yeah and my wife goes you're going again aren't you I go I I I got to go one more time oh man did you think when you were fired in oh two he said did you think that was it you were done yeah yeah I but I you know like I said I started with that salary at 32 right thousand and I played 10 years and I always played on a one-year contract until my last couple years and so you're playing for your life and anybody that played in the 80s even if you made money you know I mean you can't retire on the money that was made then yeah so I had to eat and I was raising kids so I you know being the song and dance man I took my music to another level but I also started getting it in down here with the the radio and the tv and learning this business and this has been a over the years you know when I went up to San Francisco afterwards I did five years of tv and then three years with MLB network so it all works out I guess is what they say and but I am so honored to be able to come back to the fantasy league and Peter Seidler him and I connected and I really didn't connect over baseball with Peter I connect over his work with the homeless sure and I wanted to find his or anything I can do you know I don't you know I hit nine home runs of the 80s I can't just write a check you know and Peter took took me and we were sitting an opening day and he together and he would ask me questions about the guys and and I'd ask him questions about how how to help you know so that was that how that developed and then I got invited you know to the fantasy league I love it awesome I love it it's awesome it's great to be a part of it we got Tim Flannery here let's say a quick break we'll come right back I want to get some thoughts that you had you shared with me about Jackson Merrill one of your favorite Padres who is gonna be an all-star as a rookie which is just spectacular talk about some of the guys that you've helped bring up in this great game of baseball we'll be right back to Ben & Woods on 97-3 the fan welcome back to Ben & Woods 97-3 the fan and honor to have the great Tim Flannery join us for a couple hours and man the stories we're at stories we're getting off the air just phenomenal I mean it's like this is another time it doesn't for a podcast Ben is out today he'll be back tomorrow but yeah I wanted to just talk to a man who I love very much and and is a very soulful guy and I appreciate that when it when it comes to the game of baseball you know there there are different types of people that you meet and and players that you meet and Flan is you're all heart and soul my friend and I know that you brought a lot of that into the teams that you played for and then the teams that you you coached and you know the hardest thing about I would imagine from your perspective is all the different personalities in one room it's just got to be insane to try to manage that and not only manage that together travel together be together then and also win together is is just impossible and that's what a good coaching staff does and I know you are a huge huge part of the giant successes uh over the years and you and Boach and the rest of your crew but how how difficult is that when you get 25 26 guys um trying to all do the same thing well I think Boach was just a genius at it because the way he treats people and he also remembered how hard the game is to play because it looks so easy from a distance and everybody out there including myself as soon as we got out of the game we became better it's a it's a very difficult game and I mean think about it right and that's that's one of the problems it's uh and as a third base coach every night and here and all the fans over 15 years you know I don't it's why I'm a little calloused and I don't bruise easily because every night I was getting screamed at and people who don't know anything about it would tell you how to do it but we also had the teams that win and this team down here in San Diego this this team not I didn't care for the other one even though all the hype because that's not how you win you know this club is playing together and Carlos Santana not the not the catcher the great guitar player he's in the dugout with like two weeks left in the season about no about a month left in the season and he's got a giant uniform on with Santana on the back and I go out for my early bunny and there's Carlos Santana I know who he is and he we we just chit chat chit chat and then he says you know why you guys win you have you have collective you bring your collective in tangibles the things that can't be quantified sure those types of things and then he says I'll see you again and we'll celebrate in the rain a month later a month later against the Cardinals it's pouring down rain in October in San Francisco and Marco scooter oh catches that ball in the rain and I and I just get I still get chills going oh that's why he has a record called supernatural that's wild man wild yeah wow the intangibles I like that and you start to think about you start to think about the little intangibles that this team has jerks and profile being one of the smile the the smile that but he's also a stone cold killer you he's such an irritant now he was getting under the the the the Rangers broadcaster skin why because he ran too slow around the bases right he's got one leg he's got one leg he's running around and listen he he's been he's got 10 years in the game knows the game has seen it all in the game he's having the best season of his life let that man enjoy himself a little bit because he certainly has earned it as well yeah and you know what if you look at the teams at San Francisco that won and you look at the what was happening up there is guys like pro far people that they would trade for maybe a veteran who who'd been around but never won before and when they come over they see what it's all about when you start winning and you and and pro far is like that and why what he's doing this year has been fantastic how do you anybody that shows up every day mentally physically spiritually and ready to play the game it's not easy 162 games and 180 days it's really easy to make excuses not today but pro far sometimes you have to go through all that you go through to get to a point where you're playing for everything playing for all the marbles and he's that way and as far as Merrill I'm just gonna tell a quick story I came to the big leagues when I was 21 years old too and it isn't easy because all of a sudden you're facing the guys that you might have posters on your room that you grew up with and now they're on the mound and you got to go through all of that and and even though in the minor leagues I was runner up for every batting title you know and they started pounding me in pounding me in and I couldn't make that adjustment and I even knew it was coming and I didn't know how to get there because I was more up the middle the other way and in the gaps for for Merrill to come up here and I watched it because they started pounding him in you know all we always used to say that the national leagues would call it the hands league because that's where they're throwing the balls on your hands and he could then you got to split the plate you can't a lot of you can't cover maybe Tony could do it but not many people can cover and I could do it up for Triple A you can't cover the whole plate you got to look away and be able to take in or you got to look in at like I had to do a cheat a little bit to get to that fastball in and and and take the off speed pitch or take the ball away and you make those adjustments as you go he's done it remarkably and the way he plays the way he handles himself those are the guys those are the guys they're going to bring you amazing memories when his career is over you're going to look back and he's he's the reason I turn television on every night watch him no kidding he's definitely up there for us too and in our family Bo loves him obviously I was just taught this is Jackson Mary Jackson Jackson now gonna pretend what a moment and even you know even what he said after was yeah I mean all right we lost the game I'm pretty pissed I love that I mean I you love that even if it's even if it's BS I don't even care if it's BS he's allowed to be proud he's allowed to be excited he should be excited and proud of himself but he knows the job is not done yet the thing I love the most the the adjustments you talk about because you you said oh they started pounding me in so I started cheating I started cheating a little bit well then once you start to cheat what do they do to you they mix it up on you again yeah then you go the other way but I was I like that out there yeah and you have to go through all of that the adjustments to stay in the big leagues and I managed like I said at every level I even managed in a big leagues for a day and got the victory that's a whole another one I'll tell you all right I know want that one too but in triple a when I was managing almost everybody had amazing moments in the big leagues in triple a you've got I had I mean Joe Charbon I was rookie of the year and then the next year he's back in triple a yeah because you can't make adjustments this is game a game of adjustments and they'll find out in the now they'll find out in 15 minutes and everybody will be coming at you until you make that adjustment so what he's done is it has been really remarkable at his age take a quick break we'll be right back with more from plan obviously want to talk some Tony Gwen he played with Tony you talk about his his acumen I would like personally for fans to stop comparing any we're not comparing but saying like well Tony Gwen could do it because you you played with him you saw him how he worked he's a unicorn he's he's one and a billion right so I want to talk about the work that he put in how he did it some great Tony Gwen stories and more coming up next with Tim Flannery here on the fan welcome back better woods 97 3 the fan very special guest in studio this morning the great Tim Flannery joins us telling telling all kinds of baseball stories we will get right back to them after we do a quick check of traffic I joined live in studio by Tim Flannery former Padre second baseman shortstop utility man wherever they needed your plan you would play you would hit anywhere you didn't care just wanted to be in the lineup every day which is such a a different mentality than guys like I have don't hit it here do not please let me have to sacrifice bond because I'm afraid to hit right I was always that guy oh but no I mean the some of the guys that you played with obviously legends of the game we heard the the panel at at fantasy camp talking about the 84 team and it was it was staggering some of the stories goose gosses lunatic straight up lunatic carry templeton yeah yeah old goose telling benny's a nerd was amazing we made the mistake of putting goose on live radio we did yeah that is a huge huge band started needling him about analytics yes in today's game he's lost it that's that's the drop you're a nerd to yeah call them a nerd straight up straight up pointed at it you're a nerd too yeah then's like oh man I just thought I leave now the nerd it's great it was great when they brought nettles and goose over the bright before the season in 1984 we watched them walk in the clubhouse at jack murphy quarkon whatever it's called was called and we all looked at each other and it was such a positive was like the front office they just saved us they want we're gonna we're gonna they this is the time this is our time and and they were such a a huge part of and nettles being a guy that I loved when with New York he was living in north county I would drive every day to and back for the ballpark he would take me with him on him and goose out on the road at nighttime after games oh my god I'll never forget it was like 2 30 in the morning in New York City and we come up an alley they're taking me to studio 54 and we get out and it's pitch black in the middle of the night and there's a line and one guy just they just said mr. gossage mr. nettles come on in unreal uh he taught him taught they taught us a lot and the stories that you were talking about earlier of a pv and Trevor came to that fantasy camp to be around that crew be around our 84 crew and I heard pv telling Trevor huffy you got to get in here listen to their stories these guys they they fought the fans they're in the stands fighting the fans they fought other teams they beat each other up and then I'd always say yeah but we were we'd always me goose and I would go to blows sometimes all right welcome back Ben and woods 97 3 the fan i'd be monday to you Benny still uh he's actually i think on his way back from Santa Barbara uh right now he'll be back tomorrow got Tim Flannery joining us at eight and uh but right now after traffic we're going to check in with our pal in season Sammy Levitt all right and joining us on the line now is our beloved beloved Sammy Levitt Sammy how are you pal good morning woodsy good morning paul good to be with you looking forward to uh uh hearing uh the the two hours with Tim Flannery I've been doing uh the last couple of days with the Padre celebrating that 1984 team i've been doing some research on that team and uh pretty pretty incredible team and the way they came back in the nlps to go to the world series and all that so i'm looking forward to hearing those two hours coming out well there's nobody that tells a story like flam and uh we were we're really looking forward forward to it too on a monday but i want to do you know obviously Sammy dropped the last two games after he after one of the greatest greatest nights at pet co park uh that we've i mean there's been so many of them this year friday night was just an elite elite night um you know they should it's it's one of those things we've been saying kind of regularly lately if you have to continue to walk teams off it means you might have done something wrong uh and they did they did i mean you coughed up a uh a five run lead and had to come back and win it but what a moment it was for manny uh what a moment it was for the entire team it was just incredible on friday night yeah i mean it was just i mean oh what do you even say about that one inning alone right the rollercoaster it was and and losing the lead and having to bring Suarez in which um with you has happened way too often where the Padres have had these big leads late and then somehow have to go get Suarez and bring him in on three days you know in a row and it didn't go well and you know i don't think that's uh the fault of robert you know he's pitching three days in a row and i thought came in in a really tough spot there you know although he did give up the two home runs and then obviously they they did what they've been doing at home for a while and that is just find ways and show fight and show grit and rise the the occasion i mean obviously the manny home run was special and was unbelievable but how about jerks and profile i mean i thought i thought his lead off home run in that ninth inning it totally changed the the tenor of that inning and and quickly number one sort of major brief for a second and not necessarily forget about what happened at the top of the inning but really i thought in that moment major feel like they were going to win the game and and i think something i talked to a lot of people about at the ballpark on saturday and i i do think this is a real credit to this team and a real thing with this team you you really don't feel like they are out of any game and they are out of any game late like i felt like a lot of people in that ballpark and on the media side of things really really felt like even when they got down in the ninth like we looked at the part of the order coming up and you felt like they had a real shot that they were still come back and find a way to win it and quite frankly on saturday night i was sort of shocked they didn't find a way right yeah it was right there and seeing them especially at home and especially lately just like the big kit in so many situations though saturday it was almost surprising they they couldn't be a fat one big hit and then that's right it looked that the final score of the game was not really indicative of of the game that it was i mean it's been pretty well picked right and was part of it i will lose the submarine sammy is back we're gonna try to get you on a different try to get on the zoom link or something yeah give me one second sammy now he's right i absolutely thought saturday night i in fact i wasn't even really worried i was more shocked that they didn't end up tying that game because that's how that's the brand of baseball they've been playing this year and it well again while it's exciting to watch and and uh it makes my blood pressure go through the roof it's not a sustainable way to play but man i'll take that you know it was one of those losses on saturday where i thought all right i mean you know you you battled your ass off and sometimes it's just not your night didn't get the big hit when you needed it but um yeah i didn't mind that one so much yesterday i did yesterday i didn't i did not like that game at all and just could not get anything going offensively against ryan nelson and so yeah but i i and friday it was so crazy i saw it was the first time in mlb history that there was a grand slam yep a go-ahead home run yep a game tying home run and a walk-off home was incredible in one in it it was incredible sammy you were there you were on the scene now it was a long day for you because you had to work the morning show because of the loads and he's dialing into the oh he's dialing into the zoom zoom right now just wait a minute and it'll be worth it because we'll have a much much better connection yes scuba sammy is what they're calling him in the chat yeah it's underwater yeah well no he's he's joining i'm waiting for him to turn on and i'll just wait that's fine we got no problem we're just hanging out everyone get a little breather here he is it's Samuel yeah oh hey how you doing so much better okay good i i i'm so sick of this cell service inside my apartment i'm i'm just over it so it is what it is there there's literally there's about a five foot spot in my kitchen and i swear to you it's not like i'm standing in this spot where i have literally no service at all so there is something about this apartment i'm going to have to stop doing it from here i mean you know you're fine we're just going to do the zoom link even if you're just on the phone is just the audio that's fine you sound crystal clear right now okay great uh just to wrap up i wasn't you know saying anything super groundbreaking but look uh yeah look the the game on sunday obviously i think it was better pitch than uh you know what the final score was but look for as good as the win was on friday and it was awesome and it spoke volumes about what this team has been and their ability to rise to the moment rise to the occasion show great show fight they have certainly given you all of that and have shown they are a quite different group from what they were a year ago uh look i still thought it was at least a little disappointing to still not find a way to win the series i'm look credit to the diamondbacks i mean they had a brutal loss on friday and came back and found a way to to win the next two so you know look am i going to go crazy over it no considering how well they played lately but i will say this and i think it goes back to you know what i said filling in for you guys on on friday morning and that's i i just feel that there are really you know two things that are important for this team right now and in the next week or so number one just finishing this first half on a high note and i'm not saying you got to go win the next five in a row but you know winning three out of five again two good teams that would be a really nice way to finish the half and and i just think for this group the way they're constructed right now the injuries the guys they're missing it you just have to avoid letting two games become a skid two two losses in a row is not that big of a deal but you know two turning into three four five that's where things could get pretty tricky pretty quickly for this team and and look we sort of had that conversation last week when they lost the final game in boston in the first one in texas and and they found a way to you know not allow that to become a skid i just think this team desperately needs to avoid the quote-unquote skid right now i do feel talking to sammy levin here on benham woods this morning i do feel that this team and i and we're certainly not the only team in baseball that feels this way but i i do feel that we are on constantly the razor's edge right i just constantly feel like oh god oh god and and they've proven me wrong so many times you know me i'm not the most negative oh here we go again i'm not that person i like when they win i love when they win i celebrate the wins i celebrate the effort i celebrate all of it you know i love i love this team i really do but i do feel you circumstances beyond our control sammy that they're they're on the razor's edge right now i mean you got a beleaguered bull pen that did not have a good series at all uh against arizona and now you know potentially out of measure on the bump tomorrow against the seattle mariners they got some really really good arms coming in it's it's it's you know it's it's precarious right now is is the word that i would use yeah i i totally understand it and and i'm with you i mean for as well as they've played as of late it does feel a little bit like that because of the injuries they're dealing with and and quite frankly and it's almost the credit to them because of some of these guys that have contributed in such a major way because of the jerks and pro-fars because of the jacks and marles because of the donovan salanos because of the map wall drains and and you know randy vasquez i mean the last two starts have been really really good really good yep by the line drive in boston but he was he was really good before that half the other day was really good again and um look they have to their credit they have found a way to stay afloat through these injuries and you know through a rotation that has been banged up and through you know a bull pen that has been up and down aside from a couple of guys look the bull pen you know on the road script they were awesome yeah right yeah look at the you look at the two close games they won in texas the bull pen was actually fantastic for those two games and on the road trip they had a sub one e r a in six days and and it totally flips in this series against the diamond backs and obviously delos Santos was was sort of a big part of it but there were other guys you know in that mix as well and you're right would see it's i i still don't think for as well as they've played you know and i don't mean the poor any cold water on it but yeah the margin for error still as they still deal with these injuries and as far as bull pen and rotation look you would you would assume at some point in the next month there's going to be some help on the way one way or another what that's going to cause the pause raise obviously we have no idea who that's going to be we obviously have no idea but but i'm with you it still sort of feels like until there's some help on the way yeah it's going to be this thing where it's like staying afloat until you can get get that help and obviously it sounds like there's a pretty good chance that the zander you know maybe back here soon and that's you know the first piece of help back on the way but i'm with you would see the the margin for error is still not very big but to their credit they have they have found a way to some more than than stay afloat yeah and like i said i mean there's a there's a bunch of teams right now on that razor's edge as well uh guys are injured or not performing you know the mats are one of those teams the diamondbacks one of those teams the giants are one of those teams um they're they're certain you know we were just talking about it in the last ten games i mean if you look at it go to the national league go to standings and look at last ten it's it's media excuse me mediocre is you can get i mean it's five and five five and five five and five four and six four and six pod raise cardinals and diamondbacks the only teams with a winning record over the last ten games and it's just bananas to see so it in some sense makes it even a little bit more frustrating because it's like it's it's literally there for the taking you just got to go get it but do they have the pieces i want the pieces they do have though Sammy five five representatives going to the all-star game in uh in Arlington very very happy whole out crowd the whole outfield is sent the the area we all sat in here and said oh boy they are toasting the outfield well they're all all-star so again nobody knows anything Sammy but very happy for these guys saw a lot of dodger fans upset that Louisa rise is getting in for me the leader the hit leader should always go to the all-star game because hitting is very very very very hard it's very hard to do and he's got more than anybody that's a no-brainer for me i don't care what his war is yeah i like war it's fine but he's the hit leader he goes to the all-star game that's just how it works yeah i agree with you and and look uh obviously the numbers for louise overall the last handful of weeks haven't been as as stellar as as what they were but you still look at it the guy is hitting what as of yesterday three fourteen three fifteen i mean when a guy is hitting like that and you're right the hits leader in in his league i'm with you on that and look they're just some remarkable stories from this team going to the all-star game obviously pro far is right there maybe the best story of this all-star game which is incredible and the jackson meryl story is is right there with them i mean you know i don't know if you guys read off that list that a.j castville put out of players that you know in the last 40 years they've been younger than than jackson meryl to appear in an all-star game it's insane like it's greatness it's all the famers it is when you consider his his journey to this point the limited amount of experience in the upper levels of minor leagues learning center field the place he had never played it's done um it is simply remarkable and it's a huge credit to him and even Robert Suarez guys i mean this was a guy who the padre signed after pitching in japan and and i don't know that you know we all knew when he first got here really you know you know what he was going to be in the major leagues and and obviously has a great 2022 and it's stellar postseason and you know last year had his ups and downs and takes the role of josh tater and i don't care about friday in this conversation has been a rock yes absolutely rock of the hole pin and you talk you talk about deserving all-stars he is right there as far as guy who who absolutely deserved to be there and even to tease i mean now that we know about the leg and basically that he's been playing on a compromised leg for you know but it sounds like months uh it's pretty impressive that he did what he did considering that so i think all of these guys have their own sort of unique and impressive uh journeys to this point but you know in particular i mean pro-far maryl Suarez i mean they're just great stories and uh Sammy i love you thank you Sammy i love you so much thank you for having us here love you love you love you halfway home on a Monday when it was 97-3 the fan first of i would apologize to Sammy Levitt for well playing him off because we ran out of time and poly was giving me the wrap up and i'm like bro he's on a roll i can't i don't i'm not Ben where i could just go da da da da da da da da and just plow through i just let him finish if he runs out of time he runs out of time you know like i don't know what to tell him but then people were in the chat i'm like why does everyone be in mean about Sammy and you're like Sammy has a list but he doesn't have a list not that there's anything wrong with having a list but he doesn't have a list no he doesn't but he's then texted you and said why did zoom give me a list did you put him on some i didn't do anything so good Sammy Levitt joins us the moment rise to the occasion show grit show fight they have certainly given you all of that and it really did yeah somebody said it sounded like he had a retainer in yeah isn't working on some of this line oh boy i did it i get it i was he's like what happened i don't know i thought you had a retainer and honestly Tyler said poly activated the brace face filter yeah makes you sound uh different well we are uh very honored this morning to be joined by one of my dear friends one of my favorite people in the world the great tim flannery joins the program morning flan good morning everybody how are you i'm really good you know we had a night at the belly up last night and i played the last three songs so i every day game i would walk in the clubhouse and say why is everybody up in the middle of the night right that's kind of how i feel at the moment and that's when you played and coached right like you just the day game for a baseball player not your favorite he was always great once you got there and got working and got but you know you get on your schedule you get in the grind of the 162 games and you but it's just part of it it's part of who can sustain all the things that happen over a season because the season's so long and how long is it you might think even though i did a lottie i did 25 years in the big leagues and you know managing all at every level in the minor leagues but my last year i didn't even know that my nephew got his wife pregnant in spring training and she had a baby before the world series was over the season's so long you could carry a baby a human in your body and that's what i said i'm going home and i'm going surfing this is exactly it's exactly why i wanted to bring flan in this morning to uh to chop it up we got a chance to have gotten you know a chance to get to know you over the last couple years um and certainly a fantasy camp got to spend some time together and hang out um but you know being able to coach your grandson jesse was so when i found out that jesse was on my squad i was like oh my god tim flare he's gonna be at my games he's gonna be watching me coach which is very intimidating you're a great coach thank you very much and flams flan pulled me aside he goes i don't know how you do this and i said i i don't either i don't either and and you said when we get to the real deal where there's outs and you know strikes and ball you give me call and we'll work with them and you'll get the fun goes go and get them on their knees picking the grounders and stuff because that's what that's the stuff i'm really looking forward to i couldn't believe how great they got and how much they improved and that's a totally a credit to you and you and i manage at the every level of the minor leagues i i've managed the pottery's rookie league when all the all the all americans come to you you know in june yeah and we always said you got the three p's you got to be persistent you got to be patient you could be positive and then you but you were that and you are that so thank you for uh you know because i don't ever want to put pressure on look i never played catch with my father my father was a christian minister a hillbilly minister out of the mountains of kentucky my mother's brother is house myth who played for the world series is 1960 pittsburgh pirates and he was a songwriter so i always thought that everybody played baseball and it's all yeah right i didn't think there was anything bad about it you know so the the baseball and the music really came from my mother's side and you're so i got a chance to to meet your mom and and see her and she is how old again 92 92 years old was at this birthday party and her brother was house myth he played for the pirates as you mentioned so the the world series against the Yankees everyone remembers maseroski but house myth did what well the Yankees were killing and when they won those games and when they won three of the games against the pirates it was like 13 to 1 and 12 did nothing and uh and when the pirates would win and be two to one three to two and uh in game seven down by two runs my my uncle pinched it and the eighth inning had a three run bomb that put the pirates ahead and then the Yankees that next innings tied the game and then maseroski won it the next inning so we i you know we had the real to real big films of the pirates and i just always loved it and was always just a baseball guy that loved i used they say i used to sit and watch games when i was two years old i probably did yeah 100 and we we talk a lot about it because as a a dad of a player that is absolutely on fire for the game you know you do worry about the burnout and this and that and you kind of said the same thing you said now i was the same way i i never could get enough everyone said you would burn out and here you are still you're still not burned out well the neighbors i used to tell my mom you know that he's gonna burn out he's gonna burn out and they were right you know about 2015 i had enough after about after 50 years right all right well both can make another 50 years i'm pretty happy i joined by Tim Flannery in studio this morning flan was telling me at this party and and again remember we we remember we got to edit part of the story but there was a uh tell me about the strike in baseball when you went through the strike and just listen to how different it is now then it was then this is now wait this is fascinating i went to four of four and the two of them are over 50 days and i'm gonna go start on the other side and then work back to the strike for context the most recent strike how long was that that was the lockout the lockout that was like 90 days 90 days something like that but that's how i coached you know i would say uh i can remember i was in charge of all the bunning uh in San Francisco and 45 minutes a day i'd had the pictures and i would bun them and hit and run and slash and we were the best in the league where they got signs we you know because we worked on it 45 minutes every day but some days like i can remember Matt Caine said i'm not gonna do it i go and i grabbed him by the the uniform i go i went on four strikes so you can make a billion dollars so you now you come and save my job wow so i mean that's that's how but the story you like and it is honestly god truth this is before cell phones 1981 we went on a 50 day strike and it didn't seem like it was going to end at all and i was living in del mara in a little beach house for 400 bucks a month my wife at the time was not my wife she was in europe and we were going to get married anyway i was on a surf trip and i was down in mexico when the you know when the the strike settled but nobody could get a hold on me and i didn't know i was surfing every day playing beach volleyball every day i mean i was in fighting shape and when i finally did get back a couple days later everybody's getting on a scale and guys are like 20 pounds overweight you know i was five pounds underway but you've been down in mexico doing teal shots surfing all day but think about that for a minute so you go on strike and to think like what how you got you know me poly you know me we go on strike and i'm just like all right get me later like there's no way i would have been calling someone every day we close because you just said i'm going surfing and how did you know to come back you didn't you just happened to come back when the surf trip ended we came back and when i got to the border and you know and of course we're servers they had to take our car apart oh they've got to have drugs if they're serving yeah well they've been down there for two months or whatever and then they were telling me hey the strikes are like a what so we got to you know we went right to the ballpark the panic it's like how late were you to like reporting two days two two days but the funny thing about the whole thing was it was not funny really at that time but i was i got sent to triple a and i'm thinking this is great you know and i was making big league minimum which was thirty two thousand dollars good god and this was 1981 and the pod race called me up they knew there was going to be a 50-day strike they didn't know it was going to be a 50-day strike but they knew it was going to be a work stoppage and to save money that's where the money was these days it was thirty two thousand dollars they didn't want to pay it that's unbelievable but it did you got your big league time you got 50 days more big league time you know i had ten years of when a final was over i was a player that got ten years in the big leagues and a coach that 15 years in the big leagues so i had 25 years so you know it all worked out every it was just uh you know the game was different the city was different everything here it's been it's been amazing to watch it just become what you know what it is and all the people that the the side lures and all the folks that that had a lot to do with it uh so grateful you know San Diego when we first got came to the big leagues and my 10 years i've played for seven different managers in ten years like three different front offices so it was so hard to find any continuity it really until Dick Williams came in and put this club together and and the organization started uh he got on the got on the map got it got rolling and it's great to been been a part of some of that early success well and it's great to have you back in the fold with the San Diego Padres for for us you know certainly when we heard you were gonna be at camp i was so elated and the the stories that we got to hear from 84 second to none Ben moderated the whole thing it was incredible some of the best baseball stories i've ever heard i hope you enjoyed fantasy camp because i need you back there every year now both of you guys played really well so i am at fantasy camp so during the tryout section i tell all the good players fake injury yeah you know we'll still draft you number one but we need you to not to get drafted by somebody else it's uh it's it's it's been great to see you back in the fold you know i've been in town for 14 almost 15 years and there was a time when it didn't feel like you were and now that you are it's great i mean and and honestly like bygones by or bygones and you're back to and stuff with the team and of course you're you know you still have a huge piece of your heart in san francisco you got three rings there with the san francisco giants nobody begrudges you that but it's just great to have you back around the san diego pottery i i love it you know it reminds me of who i am and and what really happens you know people think that you know we just left san diego that's not the case well just because you're with the san diego potterays we had different ownerships we had different front offices and uh sandy allers said would send uh a little computer readout every day down to boats at who's who's supposed to play that night is that right and boats back then and boats would tell the the guy that walked in with you know he's like four feet with the last boat says you take that up to whoever gave it to me and tell him to shove it up it so boats when he was leaving and think about that the guy won two division titles and they let him walk yeah uh you know and i'll hear boats fired me in 2002 and i needed to be fired because i don't pretend well and we we got to the the ballpark passed in '98 by winning we had to win to get the ballpark passed with the voting and then all the lawsuits kept it from happening uh so we you know we just had to hang with them you know and we were told to develop a couple guys but it's not going to be pretty well i i'm not your guy if you're pretending and he got unhealthy for me you know and uh so boats you know said hey you're you got to go but it's awful and then in 2007 i'm walking my dog and and i get this phone call from boats and he goes you got another ride left in you he goes they're trying to win up there and then he sent me the video of lonesome dove about the two pig farmers retired at home kicking the pigs and that's where he got me i said yeah and my wife goes you're going again aren't you i go i i i i got to go one more time oh man did you think when you were fired in '02 he said did you think that was it you were done yeah yeah but i you know like i said i started with that salary at 32 right thousand and i played ten years and i always played on a one-year contract until my last couple years and so you're playing for your life and anybody that played in the 80s even if you made money you know i mean you can't retire on the money that was made then yeah so i i had to eat and i was raising kids so i you know being the song and dance man i took my music to another level but i also started getting in down here with the the radio and the tv and learning this business and this has been a over the years you know when i went up to san francisco afterwards i did five years of tv and then three years with mlb network so it all works out i guess is what they say and but i am so honored to be able to come back to the fantasy league and peter sidler him and i connected and i i really didn't connect over baseball with peter i connect over his work with the homeless sure and i wanted to find his or anything i can do you know i don't you know i hit nine home runs of the eighties i can't just write a check you know and peter took took me and we were sitting an opening day and he together and he would ask me questions about the guys and and and i'd ask him questions about how how to help you know so that was that how that developed and then i got invited you know to the fantasy league i i love it it's awesome i love it it's awesome it's great to be a part of it we got tim flannery here let's say a quick break we'll come right back i want to get some uh thoughts that you had you shared with me about jackson meryl one of your favorite pod race uh who is going to be an all-star uh as a rookie which is just spectacular talk about some of the guys that you've you've helped bring up uh in this great game of baseball we'll be right back to bed in woods on 97-3 of the fan welcome back to bed in woods 97-3 of the fan in honor to have uh the great tim flannery join us for a couple hours and man the stories uh we're stories we're getting off the air just phenomenal i mean it's like this is so good another time it doesn't for a podcast uh Ben is out today he'll be back tomorrow but yeah i wanted to just talk to a man who i love very much and and is a very soulful guy and i i appreciate that when it when it comes to the game of baseball you know they're there are different types of people that you meet and and players that you meet and flan is you're all heart and soul my friend and i know that you brought a lot of that into uh the teams that you played for and then the teams that you you coached and you know the hardest thing about i would imagine from your perspective is all the different personalities in one room it's just got to be insane to try to manage that and not only manage that together travel together be together then and also win together is is just impossible and and that's what a good coaching staff does and i know you are a huge huge part of the giant successes uh over the years and you and Boach and the rest of your crew but how how difficult is that when you get 25 26 guys um trying to all do the same thing well i think Boach was just a genius at it because the way he treats people and he also remembered how hard the game is to play because it looks so easy from a distance and everybody out there including myself as soon as we got out of the game we became better it's a it's a very difficult game and i mean think about it right and that's that's one of the problems it's uh and as a third base coach every night and here and all the fans over to 15 years you know i don't it's why i'm a little calloused and i don't bruise easily because every night i was getting screamed at and people who don't know anything about it would tell you how to do it but we also had the the teams that win and and this team down here in San Diego this this team not i didn't care for the other one even though all the hype i because that's not how you win you know this club is playing together and Carlos Santana not the not the catcher the great guitar player he's in the dugout with like two weeks left in the season but no about a month left in the season and he's got a giant uniform on with Santana on the back and i go out for my early bunny and there's Carlos Santana i know who he is and he we we just chit chat chit chat and then he says you know why you guys win you have you have collective you bring your collective intangibles the things that can't be quantified sure those types of things and then he says i'll see you again and we'll celebrate in the rain a month later a month later against the card goals it's pouring down rain in october in sam and sisco and marco scooter oh catches that ball in the rain and i and i just get i still get chills going oh that's why he has a record called super natural that wild man wild yeah the intangibles i like that and you start to think about you start to think about the little intangibles that this team has jerks and profar being one of the smile the the smile that but he's also a stone cold killer you he's such an irritant now he was getting under the the the rangers broadcaster skin why because he ran too slow around the bases right he's got one leg he's got one leg he's running around and listen he he's been he's got 10 years in the game yeah knows the game has seen it all in the game he's having the best season of his life let that man enjoy himself a little bit because he certainly has earned it as well yeah and you know what if you look at the teams at san francisco that won and and you look at the what what was happening up there is guys like profar people that they would trade for maybe a veteran who who'd been around but never won before and when they come over they see what it's all about when you start winning and you and and profars like that and what what he's doing this year has been fantastic how do you anybody that shows up every day mentally physically spiritually and ready to play the game it's not easy 162 games and 180 days it's really easy to make excuses i'm not today but profar sometimes you have to go through all that you go through to get to a point where you're playing for everything playing for all the marbles and and he's that way and and as far as meryl i'm just gonna tell a quick story i got i came to the big leagues when i was 21 years old too and it isn't easy because all of a sudden you're facing the guys that you might have posters on your room oh yeah that you grew up with and now they're on the mound and you got to go through all of that and and even though in the minor leagues i was runner up for every batting title you know and they started pounding me in pounding me in and i couldn't make that adjustment and i even knew it was coming and i didn't know how to get there because i was more up the middle the other way and in the gaps for for meryl to come up here and i watched it because they started pounding him in all we always used to say that the national leagues would call it the hands league because that's where they're throwing the balls on your hands and he he could then you got to split the plate you can't a lot of you can't cover maybe tony could do it but not many people can cover and i could do it up for triple a you can't cover the whole plate you got to look away and be able to take in or you got to look in like i had to do a cheat a little bit to get to that fastball in and and and take the off speed pitch or take the ball away and you make those adjustments as you go he's done it remarkably and the way he plays away handles himself those are the guys those are the guys they're gonna bring you amazing memories when his career is over you're gonna look back and he's these are the reason i turn television on every night watch him no kidding yeah i mean it he's definitely up there for us too and in our family bo loves him obviously i was just a this is jackson marron jackson jackson jackson don't give us time what a moment and even you know even what he said after was yeah i mean all right we lost the game i'm pretty pissed i love that i mean i you love that even if it's even if it's bs i don't even care if it's bs he's allowed to be proud he's allowed to be excited he should be excited and proud of himself uh but he knows the job's not done yet the thing i love the most the the adjustments you talk about because you you said oh they started pounding me in so i started cheating i started cheating a little bit well then once you start to cheat what do they do to you they mix it up on you again oh yeah then i go there then you go the other way but i was i like that out there you know and you have to go through all of that the the adjustments to stay in the big leagues and i managed like i said at every level i even managed in a big leagues for a day and and got the victory that's a whole another story i'll tell you all right i know off that one too but uh in triple a when i was managing almost everybody had amazing moments in the big leagues in triple a you've got i had i mean joe sharbon i was rookie of the year and then the next year he's back in triple a yeah because you can't make adjustments this is game a game of adjustments and they'll find out in the now they'll find out in 15 minutes and everybody will be coming at you until you make that adjustment so what he's done is it's been really remarkable at his age take a quick break we'll be right back with more uh from flan obviously want to talk some tony gwen you played with tony you talk about his his acumen um i would like personally for fans to stop comparing any we're not comparing but saying like well tony gwen could do it because you you played with him you saw him how he worked he's a unicorn he's he's one and a billion right so i want to talk about the work that he put in how he did it some great tony gwen stories and more coming up next with tim flannery here on the fan welcome back better woods 97 3 the fan very special guest in studio this morning the great tim flannery joins us telling uh telling all kinds of baseball stories we will get right back to them after we do a quick check of traffic all right joined uh live in studio by uh tim flannery former padre uh second baseman short stop utility man wherever they needed your flan you would play you would hit anywhere you didn't care just wanted to be in the lineup every day which is such a uh a different mentality than guys like i have don't hit it here do not please let me have to sacrifice bond because i'm afraid to hit right i was always that guy uh but no i mean the some of the guys that you played with obviously legends of the game we heard the uh the panel at at fantasy camp talking about the 84 team and it was it was staggering some of the stories goose gosses lunatic straight up lunatic carry templeton here to yeah yeah old goose telling benny's a nerd was amazing we made the mistake of putting goose on live radio we did yeah that is a huge huge fan started needling him about analytics in today's game and he lost it and that's that's the drop here i heard two yeah i called him a nerd straight up straight up straight to his face pointed at it you're a nerd too yeah then's like oh man i just thought i would be now the nerd it's great it was great when they brought nettles and goose over the bright before the season in 1984 we watched them walk in the clubhouse at jack murphy qualcom whatever it's called was called and we all looked at each other and it was such a positive was like the front office they just saved us they want we're gonna we're they this is the time this is our time and and they were such a a huge part of and nettles being a guy that i loved when with new york he was living in north county i would drive every day to and back for the ballpark he would take me with him on him and goose out on the road at night time after games oh my god i'll never forget it was like 2 30 in the morning in new york city and uh we come up an alley they're taking me to studio 54 and we get out and it's pitch black in the middle of the night and there's a line and one guy just they just said mr gossage mr nettles come on in unreal uh he taught taught it they taught us a lot and the stories that you were talking about earlier of a pv and trevor came to that fantasy camp to be around that crew be around our 84 crew and i heard pv telling trevor hoppy you you got to get in here listen to their stories these guys they they fought the fans they were in the stands fighting the fans they fought other teams they beat each other up and then i'd always say yeah but we were we'd always me goose and i would go to blow sometimes and then when i'm going out to hit he'd be there cheering for me and then we would be out that night it was just a different time and thank god there wasn't social media oh you would have been toast i mean i think about it all the time i think about those old crazy ass yanki teams out every single night that you know it's one thing too like obviously me as a potteries fan now i'm there's a part of me that's glad that i don't see my favorite guys out at studio 54 at three o'clock in the morning because then i'm like all right and then you know you the next day you go one for four strikeout three times it's like well no wonder there's so much information now back then ball players were a bit of a mystery and you can get away with a lot more yes you sure could and even before that i hear stories of my uncle told me about mickey manel he played with mickey manel and during the trains when they were traveling on trains you know yeah i tell you we used to we we talked like the old coaches in san francisco because we were the old coaches and woders to go i tell you back in the day when we took the train so the trains ready to leave and and mickey shows up right when the trains leaving about one two in the morning and he had a couple girls with him and and they said mick you know the rules there's no women on the on these trains and mickey goes okay good luck in cleveland then oh my god and they okay okay mick come on oh my god we could love you cleveland it's unbelievable i mean it's so good but if that came out about my favorite player now i would hate it it would be a huge scandal i mean we'd be wearing it on twitter and everything else but oh my god what a different uh what what a bygone area let's talk about uh let's talk about tony gwen uh somebody that you played with and and uh you know obviously he's one of those guys where every day if you're on social media whatever you always see whether it's instagram whether it's twitter doesn't matter where it is you see some thing pop up and it's tony gwen's face and it's tony gwen only struck out three times in 14 years or something against this picture and every day there's this new stat that i see and i went it just blows my mind i know how hard hitting is i have no idea how hard it is to hit at that level um and against the pictures that he did it against and the pictures that you did it against but my god did he make it look easy he worked at it he worked at it harder than anybody and of course the story and it's true that he brought the video in he brought the first time videos we're in and i'll tell you to this day he's probably the only guy that knows what they're looking for when they're looking at the video instead of just staring at it with you know glazed over eyes like you're supposed to yeah right he knew exactly what he was doing and he even if he had four hits the night before he had an early hitting every day at four o'clock and it was just you know and selfishly my best year when i got to play every day i was utility guy you know and but when i did play every every day a couple years i had had my best years because i let off and tony hit second and when the cat would go one and oh i'd see the manager sprint to the mound i knew exactly what he was saying don't lock this guy tony's coming up so i just got hitched to hit um but uh just the way he he and and you know he was my locker mate next to me and you know that game you've always played before the season to get in San Diego state the last game after spring training tony when he was in San Diego state went five for five off of our big league pitchers and i remember dick Williams said that kid over there i don't know i'm just telling you when he gets to the big leagues he's never going to be taken out of the lineup ever and and then tony came up and and i had 10 years sitting next to him in a locker and i turned him on to his bat his b267 uh 33 inches 33 and a half inches 32 ounces that i used it was a b267 nice barrel uh and tony used that his whole career as well i'm sorry here here comes this kid and you know you'd seen him a little bit obviously you'd heard about him and knew what he was capable of um and he's your locker mate you got 10 years in the big leagues it's very similar to what's going on right now i think in the pecco park it's jackson meryl jerksham pro far did an in-game interview yesterday which i hate by the way yeah in the middle of the hitting and he's great he did he did a fantastic job but he's talking about a 21 year old coming in moving guys around defensively he just started playing center field and pro far saying on the interview now he's moving us he's positioning us and he's taking charge and bro this kid's unbelievable was that some of the vibe that you got with tony was he a was he a vocal guy when he got there was he just kind of quiet he was quiet and lead by example he led by example he was willing wanted to learn everything he could learn but we all it's just the way he handled himself as a professional as a man uh it was one of the one of the greatest to be able to to play with him for 10 years and then coach him for another seven i yeah i was seven not we didn't really coach him he was i was i was a coach on the team nobody coached on tony gets your hands off a little bit more right but it was just remarkable to watch some and it's like that that thing and Cincinnati when i was coaching i've told the story more than once i did our MLB network i saw that it was amazing tell it again it was it was uh we're playing the Reds and we had rain delays all night and then about 11 45 they brought out a lefty there was two guys on and who knows what ending it was but uh they brought in a lefty to fist face tony and then the heavens opened up just poured poured poured so they suspended the game till the next day which means you got to play the same line up that pitcher hadn't thrown any pitches he just warmed up he's got to start the game start the game the next day yep so on the way up now it's like midnight we've been there all night with rain delays and and i'm walking with tony up the stairway in old Cincinnati riverfront he goes flying uh tomorrow this guy's going to throw me a first pitch slider and i'm going to hit it in that left center field gap and both runs are going to score it's going to be two to be ready and i you know i'm thinking after we've been there 14 hours as coaches like okay whatever tony sure enough the next day first pitch slider he knew what the guy was going to throw him before the guy on the mound and knew and that's what Pete rose Pete rose could tell you and tony could do the same he could look at a calendar it's okay in three weeks we're playing the Pittsburgh pirates and this guy will be starting and these are the pitches he's got they're just geniuses and they're all in on it it's why the uh it's why it makes me insane because of the the comparison not compare like they compare Luis arise he's he's one of the more similar guys too that doesn't make me mad at all because he does have that ability you know the bat to ball good quick hands can hit spray ball or tony had a little more pop than Luis does better probably better base runner but definitely better defensive player made himself a defender yeah and but you watch it but for me it's like well tony gwin can do it tony gwin used to do it all the time and it's like bro you got to leave him out of any modern conversations because there's nobody that does it like that absolutely and for as long as he did it and Nolan ryan's another one they oh well Nolan ryan did this and i'm like he's a freak he's a unicorn he worked his ass off but he was also one of a billion you know what i mean i face Nolan ryan's 71 times more than any pitcher i've ever faced i face him 71 times you're not success didn't you enough to be fed to him the next time he pitched you know i mean this guy was i had some good moments against Nolan but nobody would play i could watch if we was like two days before that there was a catcher up in san francisco and timmy lintz had come throwing a bullpen so i kind of got back and so i wanted to see what timmy was throwing at what it looked like you got in there and uh i'm walking away and the catcher goes hey flan did you ever face any nasty guys like timmy i go yeah i faced Nolan ryan's 71 times he goes well how come i go well i played ten years in the big leagues and everybody would get sick they'd get this virus called ryanitis and to this day i kid still thinks that there's a rigorous guard he might of course he does look for a vaccine for it so ryan's on the bump the next day all of a sudden my knee's a little swollen my back is a little stiff it would start if he's pitching on sunday on friday you hear guys coughing you know and and i knew that this is i'm a left-hand hit or i gotta do it and uh and then when i was leading off nathan my last couple years he would get the he you know gets the ball and games about to to start he's rubbing the ball and he walks down he's playing like he's checking the grass right by the plate and he's looking right at you like you better not blunt and so after about the third or fourth time he did i just looked at him i said hey mr ryan i ain't gonna bother speaking of grass you it's not that grass you told me a story uh because you know obviously being a part of of three championship teams with the giants and you had some characters yeah you were just talking about timmy linscomb you had a bus proposal but one of the biggest characters literally and figuratively it was pablo sandoval i mean a guy that could absolutely rake um a portly or portly or fellow uh not really fleet of foot um but could pick it had a good arm the whole thing and and you were taught telling us tell me about that story which you which had the groundskeepers do out in san francisco well first of all the thing i liked about san francisco you'd see the best out fillers arms uh and they would be blowing on their hands and hands in their pocket and they would be moving back a little bit and uh and and it was just the way the game was up there i remember mike quoddy when he was managing the cubs he said at best he he told the cubs he goes we're going to san francisco it's going to be cold it's going to be windy it's going to be two to one yeah and and that's the way it was so i mean uh but pablo he you know of course he wasn't running very well especially at the end uh and i don't even think and i said this on mlb network and and one of the guys went and did all his analytics and came back said you're right and i go well how about that i just watched it he wouldn't he couldn't go first a third or second to home very often uh so i had to the out the the grounds crew to grow the grass out and i deflated the football oh my gosh yeah i had it it was a little thicker out there just so we could get some of these guys around the bases and then the grounds crew got three world series shares that's the i mean bro i that is those are the you want to talk about winning the margins winning the inch you grow out the grass a little bit longer so that that buster posey knock checks up a little bit instead of skips right to the center fielder he checks up on him a little bit and it slows the ball down pablo sanibal can score one extra run a week whatever it may be those are the the inches the margins that's the most fascinating stuff for me about the game of baseball the fact that you had to think about that thought about that and then have them executed was amazing it's amazing i love it we got got a couple minutes left before we got to go to break again but when we come back i want to talk to you about the art of third base code coaching third base and uh the work that goes into it that again the moron layman like myself will just watch the game and go idiot oh why would you send him he was out by ten feet the calculations that go into very very rarely is it willy nilly i mean there's a lot of work that goes into it i want to talk about tim leeper we talked about him he's a pod race third base coach we've talked about it on the show like when flan was out there at fantasy camp back in january talking to us about how simple it was to coach third base for him for him the simplicity behind it it blew our mind well because he had to dumb it down for dumbball players after a while like you're like oh mlb player like players and coaches they wouldn't use belt for bunt no it would flannel it and he had to and we had and look everybody had video cameras on every third base coach that this thing of first of all about the trash can't look if the hit her can hear somebody banging on a trash can the catcher probably can hear it a coach should hear it they finally caught on and it's like you've got it just we always knew that but when glenn hoffman was down here coaching third and i love the hoffman's i grew up with him my best my wife of 43 years dated glenn on friday's in high school and me on saturday's we went to different high school my favorite and then when he became a number one pick he got him you know you got his back contract we and i found that bat and don is hold it call this hold this story stay right here we got to go break i'm talking to a clog in the afternoon it's fine absolutely fine these dumb breaks we have to do we'll be right back so sorry be right back Ben and Woods 97 through the pit all right one hour to go here on Ben and Woods this morning having an absolute blast in here talking to baseball with Tim Flannery joins the program today with Ben being out he'll be back tomorrow i could do this honestly for another couple hours he's so much fun today is flown by but you were just telling the story about the hoffman family who obviously is very beloved here in San Diego and glenn third base coach for a long long time and and so you guys had a little rivalry on and off the field in a very special way because we grew up in the same area up in anahime and even you know Trevor was just a little a little brat he was like eight or nine or whatever when glenn was in glenn was in high school and glenn was a great basketball player number one pick of the red socks and i found his bat when you get a bat contract when you get to the big leagues or when you sign in your top pick and you get all of a sudden you got a bat with your louisville slager with your autograph on it and then go wow this is something well i found one of his and don is how so i your wife i took it down to home run park and hit for about eight hours putting quarters in shattered it it was all i took it back to don i go here's your boyfriend's bat and i used to tell this to the players when glenn would go out the third i would yell out just enough so our players could hear it not glenn i go i stole your woman and i'm coming after your sign it's just my favorite it is just my favorite and when i said earlier that everybody had a camera on everybody to steal the signs and i'll tell you why we knew that because we would do this propaganda warfare thing where glenn would put like if they had a hit and run sign on that he would put a hit and run they're hit and run sign on but then put mine on top of it and i'm looking like a wait a minute they got mine that's my that's my that's my that's my sign you know and you realize that when you when you find that i remember the cubs and spring training we had people listen we had people walking around and they had a camera on me every night so as easy as my signs were i always had something if i started with it nothing ever is on and nobody's gonna think just because i end on the belt and i go bah bah bah that means bah but that's the major league you've got look you can speak six languages and you can be the most intelligent man in the world but if you can't communicate you're not doing your job that's exactly right the the art of third base coaching is is amazing i you know the the thought of going out there and and i asked you at the break you know what were you more nervous to do were you more nervous to play all right plan you're in line up today leading off playing second base against the Reds and uh or all right plan it's you know game six of the world series and uh get out there and steal us a run or two if you can i can't even imagine either of them honestly but uh you know players once you're in the game you're in the game yeah you're in it and yeah once you see the first pitch all right time to time to party when you're coaching it's a little bit different i get so nervous watching my son play and coaching my son i just ring my hands so i mean these are your guys you come up with them they're spring training you teach them you coach them you shoulder to cry on all of it every counselor you know marriage counselor everything and then you know you've got a you've got to make sure you guys win that ballgame and you're a huge part of it over there third it's to me was one of the most look it's not for if you line up nine coaches and say who wants to coach third eight guys are stepping back yeah uh it can get vicious over there and you can get run out of town and you have to move and all sorts of stuff i mean because people don't understand it but if you can get your players to to think alike like you and what you're thinking about it's a lot easier uh again up there you got to know your team you got to know who you know who's hot you got to know the arms and who can run but we also had the eighth hitter in a picture it was it was time well you would gamble down there because they're going to walk everybody to get to the pitcher and a rally back then with the pitcher and it's usually a three that's a big rally and now with everybody with professional hitters a rally could go on forever and it's maybe even a little easier where you can just hold guys and say hey you got professional hitters coming up let them let them go but when i went first of all i did five years coaching third in the minor leagues when you're managing in the minor leagues you're coaching third and that's how you learn to coach third because you'll realize well i should have sent i should have i got to put the contact play on or i should have jammed him because the other manager's not going to let this guy hit so you learn all of that and you make all the crazy mistakes uh and and then you know i did seven years here in san diego coaching third and you look it's it's there's no easy way to do it and then i did eight up there uh but i love it it was like playing every day for for me you know and and uh yeah you got you were way into it i mean you're one of the most demonstrative well known you know uh uh best in the business type third base coaches i went to san francisco and i left everything i mean i left sandy i left i was waking up in somebody's house i was renting on a floor with no furniture in the fog the first few years i'm going what did i do what am i doing um and then it started happening with the young players coming up but i would always take them we had a day in spring training that i would get them all together and walk from base to base to base and explain what i'm thinking and what the what we're trying to do here uh but i usually get them together and said you know you guys i've watched you lift weights all winter long and run the stadiums and um get strong and now you come to spring training and i hear you hitting down in those cages i hear you're hitting early in the morning and you're hitting soft toss all of that to get on base now these defenders i'm watching the pitchers or watch they're working out all winter and they're looking at videos as you as a hitter they're they're doing everything they can to keep you off base and now there's eight guys with gloves and a guy with a mitt and they're taking a hundred ground balls a day fly balls every day to keep you from getting on base so being on base must be pretty important that's how it would start yeah nobody because nobody wants to go out and do base running drills ever that's how you win yeah you want ground balls you want to hit you want soft toss absolutely it's the margins and what i really love about mite shilt not to mention he's a great baseball man he's a great baseball man and what he's what he did in st louis before he didn't get along with the the metric man or whoever up there uh it's just wonderful that he came here to san diego uh but what he did this year at spring training because you can see it even though they might be button sometimes on their own at the wrong time when you want them to hit uh you can you can teach that later because he addressed situational hitting he addressed it every time you come up there's a situation that you have to perform in and the pitcher knows what you're trying to do so he's not going to give you the pitch to do it and you can just see how disciplined they are and how they're moving runners and i remember i would always say on you know twitter which i've you know back when i had my twitter rant and i'm still not going to apologize only i apologize for that as i didn't i was so mad i didn't spell traitor right somebody got you for yeah but i was just learning about the internet that's a whole nother job we have a little just got an iphone by the way i had a flip phone like six weeks ago i was josey wells of the flip phone yeah i'll put a herself in iphone but you know i'm only gonna apologize anymore for getting fired getting run out of town and winning three world championships and that was what my point was but uh you know what my my mic is doing here is just fantastic you know shilty at all i we know each other i i didn't ever worked with him i was you know in different dugouts but uh yeah he's got him he's got him believing and the players once they see it they all become now one tangible thing that they know how to move runners they know how to get guys in and now this is really weird because i believe the game is so sacred i believe in in you'll hear me say it and people don't want to hear it but i could i said it in a all-star game when heath bell came running in and it's it arizona and and did a pop-up slide yeah i didn't know i said it out loud i just said there's two kinds of players the humble one and the one about to become that and joey vato look turned around looks at me goes where did you learn that and i took my hat off i go a bro i didn't just show up looking like this i earned this yeah i mean and this team is fun to watch and i think because they are one unit and that's how you win and in san francisco we weren't always the best team talent-wise we were the strongest team together rather than our individual part talking to tifflan are you here i've been in woods this morning this is such good stuff land i want to ask you about those those teams because you guys went through the weird even year giant success and and you know one time is oh that's that's weird that that happened twice three times is is wild it's wild so when you guys were going through that i mean you won it in ten didn't make the playoffs at eleven is that right walk us through the what you guys were feeling the world series hangover clearly it's a real thing for you guys you start those next seasons on those even years you're like you know last year was rough but it's an even year there would always be so much hoopla you know and i finally got and i got tired of it kyberg told me to zip it up there because i i i dropped the the gladiator line the time for honoring ourselves assumed coming to an end you know but this ball club uh that that ball club and what the key is and i think i've seen i'm seeing it here is you get guys that have been veterans like a marco scooter row or or a hunter pence who who didn't have never won and when they get a chance to win they get it and and they become better people and better players together and there's nothing like the brotherhood that you have and you come in and you know that you're the world champion so you know they're going to shoot for you but it was always always just uh uh uh and it's the characters that they had up there and the and the great pitch and i mean pitch was unreal pitch and was unreal and that's this team if you can get at the trade deadline you get uh you definitely always need i always thank you win championships with bench and bullpen tony kubeck told me that 100 years ago and i still watched it over the years uh you've got to get pitch in because you got minimum you got 1400 innings you got to eat and somebody's got to eat them uh but when if you can get guys that have had really careers but never had a chance to win when they get a part of that and that's what brian sabian did up there he would get guys uh for the at the trade deadline that really made a difference and wanted to win and it just was a combination thing the the back and forth though had to make you insane and boach insane win one down win again down rosters didn't change a time all the core players were still there yeah just it was it just the hangover the grind of a 162 plus all those games in the the what it just watching pottery games in june takes a lot out of you as a fan of my blood pressures up you know i'm pacing the house i'm snacking like crazy because this team's making me insane i can't even imagine you know being a player or a coach through that i think brian sabian son uh walked through after i i would always run well i i would go up to my locker i needed some a moment of silence and thank thank the creator for this allowing it but uh brian sabian son walked through and he sees his dad just weeping and i'm i'd be puking i'd be vomiting because it just it was emotional and you wouldn't know how heavy it was until after the fact you know uh and i remember his son said i had no idea the magnitude of it you know uh it's special it really is it's something that i really would love to see uh i would love to see this club this club this club look i didn't like i i don't like individual stars then because it doesn't work you know and that's just it's not basketball you know honestly and it's you're right and i i'm i like i like good players and like great players um i like i like guys that are our entertainers too i think the entertainment part of the game is great but this team certainly feels different than last year's team and the year before it looks different it looks different and from the as a fan what i'm proud of them i'm and and shield and the coaches the staff and and timmy leeper's a good third base coach he was a a great first base coach for a lot of years and and and went over there he he's doing and and you've got to make decisions and when i went to san francisco i said i'm going there to win or go home i'm not going to live on a guy's floor in the fog if we're not you know so i was making decisions i thought were it was chancy at times but look anybody and the i remember the first month i was there one of the owners peter mcgowan that rest in peace he was a beautiful man but we were in a banquet and i went to the bathroom he goes well you got another guy thrown out today oh no and i had a couple glasses of wine at the time when i was drinking thank god i've stopped that but i earned i earned it and i looked at him i go peter if you wanted safety first you should have hired a school crossing guard oh my god man i can't even imagine and timmy leeper made a uh uh and and you're going to make the right decision and still get booed out of the ballparks and things like that but when you know you've made the right decision and i would make my decisions on if i could sleep i want to be able to sleep that night and and leap made one in at the la that i i would have sent him because there was a you know the the left fielder out fillers arm was like a 40 which is below average short stop made a great pick made a perfect throw you also got the runner anytime balls down left the line you got a runner running in the baseline so you got to bring that into it so once in a while you got to tip your hat to the guys that made a great cut-off play but you're not guaranteed just because you hold guys at third that they're going to score 100 percent i mean it's it's i tend to kind of err on the side of of aggression to be aggressive make them make plays uh tiv flattery joins us we'll take a quick break we'll come right back got about 45 minutes left i can't get enough stories uh who knows what direction this will take next but stay right here it's 97-3 the fan flan you got rave reviews coming in via text message via the chat uh you really knocked it out of the park with these stories they were joined by tim flannery here i want to do at the bottom of the hour and final segment let's do a little q&a little q&a i have a few questions if you're in the youtube chat fire away questions uh we got it uh post up on x as well he was leaving questions for flan we were talking about uh earlier off the year uh bunting you know and i i've i've you lean into a bit after a while so any time it the pottery bonds and it's successful my twitter blows up how'd you look up bunt woodsy and i'm like look man i i'm not again for the record i'm not against the bunt i'm against my three-hole hitter chasing one run in the fifth when he's scorching hot you know but that's the way he plays the game and i understand that that mentality that's been that they're working on and they want to do it so much so bad to help the team absolutely which inherently is a great thing tell tell everybody the story of the giant about uh Bruce Bocey screaming at you thinking that you're putting these buns on yeah it's 2012 i mean the pitching we had and yeah i used that quote earlier that what quad he said we're going to San Francisco is to be cold when he's gonna be two to one yeah um and the early in the game in Colorado sacrifice bunt like the second inning and Boce is screaming at me and this has happened now like five straight days i looked i go i'm not putting it on and then i told him i go i just let you know they had a team meeting without you Boce unreal and they decided that they want the pitchers to have a one run lead because of the amazing pitching that the the giants had so let me get this just the on the record Bruce Bocey one of the greatest managers of all time was not a big fan of the what it's situational there's a time and place for the sacrifice bunt when he's watching his guys go up on their own and lay one down the guys actually came together without Bruce Bocey in the room and said look around and said hey we need to bunt more we need to get a lead let's get a lead and let these cats go out and pitch with even if it's a warning why didn't those guys think well we're pretty good let's let him pitch with a four run lead by not giving away outs in the fourth inning or second in Colorado in Colorado but i just said hey that's something you got to worry about Boce i don't know i mean these guys are button i i'm not telling them this i mean they had a meeting without you and this is what they want to do it's unreal and Boce has always been that with a players manager he'll he'll let the guy he'll let you give him his mutton enough roles until he has to stop it but uh it worked out that's so so funny how how much i know it's different it was different when you coached and certainly different when you played how involved do you is your perception of how involved is the big league manager these days as it pertains to things like that and the bunt the hit and run obviously i think the manager probably puts most hit and runs on but the steel you know things like that because we we have seen some goofy bass running at times when your team is is struggling maybe to score runs you do find guys trying to stretch a little bit they're trying to make something happen which again inherently is a good thing but a baseball player left to his own devices flan is not always the best recipe for success well something yeah not not all of them know what their strength is right and at the big league level because they get here sometimes quick but you know your team identity will and you're pitching when you're pitching and playing defense and i always bring back the Padres 2010 team that was a scariest team because they pitched they would they would beat you two to one we beat them at the last day of the season but that's how you're we were you know you pitched you played defense you got to know what your strengths are as a ball club and Boach was great at it you know but he was never a guy that wanted to play small ball early but it was different then you know once they brought nine professional hitters together and there was no eight hitter no pitcher but we we he mentioned it to me just a few weeks ago that our our i took it i was the bunt doctor i have a i have a little bubblegum card where i'm doing a bunt right and if a guy screwed up i would put that in his locker and say you have an appointment with the bunt doctor tomorrow i said you go to a lawyer you get a card from a lawyer you go from that i go here's my card i'm a bunt doctor and you know you're killing me you got to go down i'm getting beat up you know because Boach would that's he would he was rushing for that crushed the when he the rare occasion he would call a button they didn't get it down then it was your ass oh yeah all the time why do we do it why do we do it and when he did call me to come back up to San Francisco he goes hey i'm not yelling at my coaches anymore i go bull that's baloney i go but i've had a few years i've had a few years off so i'm one ready for it that's amazing yeah and after we won the third one i go i'm out of here i'm done i'm done for you watching him win another one in texas were you surprised he went back i was surprised but i got a text message around christmas before he went he said hey i see that your band's just killing it you're playing you're doing great he goes man and you see those playoff games i miss those games i miss that feeling i just texted him back on my flip phone i'm very fine coaching from the couch and i am not coming to texas that's amazing and then when i came to fantasy league he even knew i was coming over to do fantasy league i get a text he goes like i knew you wanted to work i brought you to texas i go i'm i got five days in me and that is it Boach you leave it when he have asked you if you didn't reach out ahead of time saying i'm not doing it would he have tried to get you to go out to texas well i knew that text messages were that that was the opening that was the opening that's how we did it the last time as well too you know now all right let's think about this the guy that fired me was he could only bring one coach and and the ownership up there's now tells me they go he he said he has to have you and i go in a crazy that's all but that was our relationship you know i played with him for five years and we were we were running mates you know off the field before social media of course and Boach was just wonderful and he was a great catcher everybody wanted a pitch to him and you just see all the managers and he has a great knack of of of the bullpen you saw that he had the worst bull pin in the league and then when you get you give him a day they were terrible but when you give him a day off because of media in the playoffs in world series he plugs in a starter he plugs in a couple that you know that yeah he's genius at that he they were horrid and i i i they have some good players against good young players have had a lot of energy their bullpen is atrocious and i don't think they're gonna go very far right look at them and once they gave him those extra days off yeah and you get that fifth starter then becomes you know and that's what they did well you know we had lidsicum coming out of the bullpen in san francisco you had you know cane a couple times zito pitched in 2012 out of the out of the bullpen those last few games when you know that's that that's just for managing you only get good at like coach in third by coach in third i told these guys at the break you know i did it 20 years five in the minor leagues and 15 in the big leagues you know the san francisco people saw me the last you know you're the best third base coach ever i go yeah you should just see me the first 15 years because you there's no way so they can tell you i mean i had great teachers jimmy william's joey mall frittano jimmy davenport would take me out and on positioning and i just loved it i loved it but you know there's nights that perfect example was we had uh pablo on first bay buster on first base nobody out in san francisco pablo hits a ball left centerfield gap that's usually a no brainer i send buster with nobody out he gets thrown out at the plate perfect relay uh bum loses two to nothing i and i went out on television and told the whole world that i lost the game um i i would terrible mistake on my part and the players saw it and they go they saw what i had to go through it was a birthday night for me or for my daughter i couldn't even take him out in san francisco because people at that time would have killed you know when we first went up there you know they were yelling go back to san diego you know then we would come to san diego you guys are traitors so we we had nowhere to go you know so it took a while for us to win them over up there uh but yeah it's it's it's a crazy beautiful game it sure is man uh all right we got one more segment with flan uh coming up next we'll do some q&a with flan uh certainly but now call now for a pair of tickets to john fogordy at the rady shell september 4th tickets on sale and ticket master dot com call eight three three two eight zero nine seven three we'll give them to the uh the fourth caller here on benham woods this morning uh eight three three two eight zero nine seven three if you want a pair of tickets to go see john fogordy i bet you're a fogordy fan i do you can't look at him more than a second and a half and that's true he's the you know those bizarre freaky artists yeah my petal steel player Doug pettabones a rock star and plays with all these guys he goes yeah he only allows you to look at him first one of those he's like ben yeah he's just like ben do not look the artist in the eye yeah just a second and a half second and a half and then you gotta look away plan is not that way not that way at all all right call now we got one more segment with flan you got any questions throw them up in the chat shoot us a text or a tweet at benham woods we'll get to all those next we'll wrap up the show all right final segment of the day today actually disappointed to see the show coming to an end uh we'll be back with a little q and a with tim flannery right after this quick check of traffic all right so uh last segment uh flan we got a couple questions rolling in a lot of people just wanted to express their their appreciation for you and uh let you know what a great job you did today i've certainly had a blast talking to you as i always do i always feel that my wife makes fun of me because if i see flan somewhere i just be lying towards them and i mean the other day at the party she thought that i go no i i was telling her my daughter it went to extremes because she can't just throw a party my daughter's got to have the best party of that was really something else for me and she thought that you were where you no one can wear me out talking the game of baseball or having a good soul like yourself i'd be i walked in and i went oh cool a four-year-old's birthday party right and i said oh there's flan and i just be like i said right next time i was like all right let's fire it up let's go what are we what are we talking about so good i always appreciate you and and your your love of the game and you've really reminded me being around you the last couple of years you've really reminded me um to remember a few things about baseball and and number one that there is a lot of soul involved in this game it is a very very difficult game it's a very challenging game these players are incredibly human and they are incredibly infallible and you fail so so much it has helped me flan be a better coach be a better dad so i thank you for that all the lessons i just flan's a guy you just want to be around you know you just want to be around to pick up your energy and um thanks so much for coming in today and you know you could get a gig last night man you could be sleeping right now sitting out drinking some coffee doing whatever but you came in for us we really appreciate trying to figure out why everybody's up in the middle of the night it's darkly i'm a musician i know all the reviews have been so good so just so you know you you crushed it and now this is going to be happening more often yeah my wife will be the first one to tell you that i'm really good in small doses two hours perfect right that's exactly halfway home on a Monday when it's 97-3 the fan first of all i want to apologize to Sammy Levitt for well playing him off because we ran out of time and Paulie was giving me the wrap-up and i'm like bro he's on a roll i can't i don't i'm not Ben where i can just go da da da da da and just plow through i just let him finish if he runs out of time he runs out of time you know like i don't know what to tell him but then people were in the chat i'm like why does everyone be in mean about Sammy and you're like Sammy has a list but he doesn't have a list not that there's anything wrong with having a list but he doesn't have a list no he doesn't but he's then texted you said why did zoom give me a list did you put him on some i didn't do anything so good Sammy Levitt joins us it's the moment rise to the occasion show grit show fight they have certainly given you all of that and it really did yeah i don't think somebody said it sounded like he had a retainer in yeah they're working on some of this line oh boy i did it i get it i was he's like what happened i don't know i thought you had a retainer in honestly Tyler said Paulie activated the brace face filter yeah it makes you sound different well we are very honored this morning to be joined by one of my dear friends one of my favorite people in the world the great Tim Flannery joins the program morning flam good morning everybody how are you i'm really good you know we had a night at the belly up last night and i played the last three songs so i every day game i would walk in the clubhouse and say why is everybody up in the middle of the night right that's kind of how i feel at the moment and that's when you played and coached right like you just the day game for a baseball player not your favorite yeah he was always great once you got there and got working and got but you know you get on your schedule you get in the grind of the 162 games and but it's just part of it it's part of who can sustain all the things that happen over a season because the season's so long and how long is it you might think even though i did a lot i did 25 years in the big leagues and you know managing at every level in the minor leagues but my last year i didn't even know that my nephew got his wife pregnant and spring training and she had a baby before the world series was over the season's so long you could carry a baby like a human in your body and that's what i said i'm going home and i'm going surfing this is exactly it's exactly why i wanted to bring flam and this morning to uh to chop it up we got a chance to have gotten you know a chance to get to know you over the last couple years um in certainly a fantasy camp got to spend some time together and hang out um but you know being able to coach your grandson jesse was so when i found out that jesse was on my squad i was like oh my god tim flare he's gonna be at my games he's gonna be watching me coach which is very intimidating you're a great coach thank you very much and flams flam pulled me aside he goes i don't know how you do this and i said i don't either i don't either and and you said when we get to the real deal where there's outs and you know strikes and ball you give me call and we'll work with them and you'll get the fun goes go and get them on their knees picking the grounders and stuff because that's what that's the stuff i'm really looking forward to i couldn't believe how great they got and how much they improved and that's a totally a credit to you and you and i manage at the every level of the minor leagues i i've managed the potteries rookie league when all the all the all americans come to you you know in june uh and we always said you got the three p's you got to be persistent you got to be patient you could be positive and then you were that and you are that so thank you for you know because i don't ever want to put pressure on look i never played catch with my father my father was a christian minister a hillbilly minister out of the mountains of kentucky my mother's brother is house myth who played for the world series is 1960 pittsburgh pirates and he was a songwriter so i always thought that everybody played baseball and it's all yeah right i didn't think there was anything bad about it you know so the the baseball and the music really came from my mother's side and you're so i got a chance to to meet your mom and and see her and she is how old again 92 92 years old was at this birthday party and her brother was house myth he played for the pirates as you mentioned so the world series against the Yankees everyone remembers maseroski but how smith did what well the Yankees were killing and when they won those games when they won three of the games against the pirates it was like 13 to 1 and 12 did nothing and and when the pirates would win and be two to one three to two and in game seven down by two runs my my uncle pinched it in the eighth inning had a three run bomb that put the pirates ahead and then the Yankees that next innings tied the game and then maseroski won it the next inning so we i you know i we had the real to real big films of the pirates and i just always loved it and was always just a baseball guy that loved i used they say i used to sit and watch games when i was two years old i probably did yeah 100 percent and we we talk a lot about it because there's a a dad of a player that is absolutely on fire for the game you know you do worry about the burnout and this and that and you kind of said the same thing you said now it was the same way i i never could get enough everyone said you would burn out and here you are still you're still not burned out well the neighbors are used to tell my mom you know that he's gonna burn out he's gonna burn out and he and they were right you know about 2015 i had enough after about after 50 years right all right well both can make another 50 years i'm pretty happy i joined by Tim Flannery in studio this morning flan was telling me at this party and and again remember we we remember we got to edit part of the story but there was a yeah tell me about the strike in baseball when you went through the strike and just listen to how different it is now than it was then this is now wait this is fascinating i went through four of four and the two of them are over 50 days and i'm gonna start on the other side and then work back to the strike for context the most recent strike how long was that that was the lockout the lockout that was like 90 days 90 days something like that but that's how i coached you know i would say i can remember i was in charge of all the bunny in san francisco and 45 minutes a day i'd have the pictures and i would bun them and hit and run and slash and we were the best in the league where they got signs we you know well because we worked on it 45 minutes every day but some days like i can remember matt canes said i'm not gonna do it i go and i grabbed him by the uniform i go i went on four strikes so you can make a billion dollars so now you come and save my job wow so i mean that's that's how but the story you like and it is an honest god truth this is before cell phones and 1981 we went on a 50 day strike and it didn't seem like it was going to end at all and i was living in del mara in a little beach house for 400 bucks a month my wife at the time was not my wife she was in europe and we were gonna get married anyway i was on a surf trip and i was down in mexico when the you know when the the strike settled but nobody could get a hold of me and i didn't know i was surfing every day playing beach volleyball every day i mean i was in fighting shape and when i finally did get back a couple days later everybody's getting on a scale and guys are like 20 pounds overweight you know i was five pounds underway but you've been down in mexico doing teal shots surfing all day but think about that for a minute so you go on strike and to think like what how you got you know me poly you know me we go on strike and i'm just like all right get me later like there's no way i would have been calling someone every day we closed because you just said i'm going surfing and how did you know who to come back you didn't you just happened to come back when the surf trip ended we came back and when i got to the border and you know and of course we're servers they had to take our car apart oh they've got to have drugs if they're serving yeah well they've been down there for two months or whatever and then they were telling me hey the strike's like a what so we got to you know we went right to the ballpark the panic it's like how late were you to like reporting two days two two days but the funny thing about the whole thing was not funny really at that time but i was i got sent to triple a and i'm thinking this is great you know and i was making big league minimum which was thirty two thousand dollars good god and this was 1981 and the pod race called me up they knew there was going to be a 50 day strike they didn't know it was going to be 50 day strike but they knew it was going to be a work stoppage and to save money that's where the money was these days it was thirty two thousand dollars they didn't want to pay it that's unbelievable but it did you got your big league time you got 50 days more big league time you know i had 10 years when a final was over i was a player that got 10 years in the big leagues and a coach that 15 years in the big league so i had 25 years so you know it all worked out every it was just you know the game was different the city was different everything here it's been it's been amazing to watch it just become you know what it is and all the people that the side lures and all the folks that that had a lot to do with it so grateful you know San Diego when we first got came to the big leagues and my 10 years i've played for seven different managers in 10 years like three different front offices so it was so hard to find any continuity it really until dick Williams came in and put this club together and and the organization started uh you got on the got on the map got it got rolling and it's great to been been a part of some of that early success well and it's great to have you back in the fold with the San Diego Padres for for us you know certainly when we heard you were going to be at camp i was so elated and the the stories that we got to hear from 84 second to none Ben moderated the whole thing it was incredible some of the best baseball stories i've ever heard you know i hope you enjoyed fantasy camp because i need you back there every year both of you guys played really well so i am at fantasy camp so during the try out section i tell all the good players fake injury yeah you know we'll still draft you number one but we need you to not to get drafted by somebody else it's uh it's it's it's been great to see you back in the fold you know i've been in town for 14 almost 15 years and there was a time when it didn't feel like you were and now that you are it's great i mean and and honestly like bygones by or bygones and you're back to and stuff with the team and of course you're you know you still have a huge piece of your heart in san francisco you got three rings there with the san francisco giants nobody begrudges you that but it's just great to have you back around the san diego pottery i love it you know he he reminds me of who i am and and what really happens you know people think that you know we just left san diego that's not the case well just because you're with the san diego pottery's we had different ownership we had different front offices and uh san die aller said would send a little computer readout every day down to boats that's who's who's supposed to play that night is that right and boats back then and boats would tell the the guy that walked in with you know he's like four feet with the last boat says you take that up to whoever gave it to me and tell him to shove it up it so boats when he was leaving and think about that the guy won two division titles and they let him walk yeah uh you know and i'll hear boats fired me in 2002 and i needed to be fired because i don't pretend well and we we got the the ball park passed in '98 by winning we had to win to get the ball park passed with the voting and then all the lawsuits kept it from happening uh so we you know we just had to hang with him you know and we were told develop a couple guys but it's not going to be pretty well i i'm not your guy if you're pretending and he got unhealthy for me you know and uh so boats you know said hey you got to go but it's awful and then in 2007 i'm walking my dog and and i get this phone call from boat and he goes you got another ride left in you uh he goes there trying to win up there and then he sent me the video of lonesome dove about the two pig farmers retired at home kicking the pigs and that's where he got me i said yeah and my wife goes you're going again aren't you i go i i i i i got to go one more time oh man did you think when you were fired in '02 you said did you think that was it you were done yeah yeah i i but i you know like i said i started with that salary at 32 right thousand and i played 10 years and i always played on a one-year contract until my last couple years and so you're playing for your life um and anybody that played in the 80s even if you made money you know i mean you can't retire on the money that was made then yeah uh so i i had to eat and i was raising kids so i you know being the song and dance man i took my music to another level but i also started getting in down here with uh the the radio and the tv and learning this business and this has been a over the years you know when i went up to san francisco afterwards i did five years of tv and then three years with mlb network so uh it all works out i guess is what they say and but i am so honored to be able to come back to the fantasy league and peter sidler him and i connected and i i really didn't connect over baseball with peter i connect over his work with the homeless sure and i wanted to find his or anything i can do you know i don't you know i hit nine home runs of the eighties i can't just write a check you know and peter took took me and we were sitting an opening day and he together and he would ask me questions about the guys and and and i'd ask him questions about how how to help you know so that was that how that developed and then i got invited uh you know to the fantasy league i i love it it's awesome i love it it's awesome it's great to be a part of it we got tim flannery here let's say a quick break we'll come right back i want to get some uh thoughts that you had you shared with me about jackson meryl one of your favorite pod race uh who is going to be an all-star uh as a rookie which is just spectacular talk about some of the guys that you've you've helped bring up in this great game of baseball we'll be right back the bed of woods on 97-3 the fan welcome back to bed of woods 97-3 the fan and honor to have the great tim flannery join us for a couple hours and man the stories uh we're stories we're getting off the air just phenomenal i mean it's like this is so good another time it doesn't for a podcast uh Ben is out today he'll be back tomorrow but yeah i wanted to just talk to a man who i love very much and and is a very soulful guy and i i appreciate that when it when it comes to the game of baseball you know there there are different types of people that you meet and and players that you meet and flan is you're all heart and soul my friend and i know that you brought a lot of that into uh the teams that you played for and then the teams that you you coached and you know the hardest thing about i would imagine from your perspective is all the different personalities in one room it's just got to be insane to try to manage that and not only manage that together travel together be together then and also win together is is just impossible and and that's what a good coaching staff does and i know you are a huge huge part of the giant successes uh over the years and you and Boach and the rest of your crew but how how difficult is that when you get 25 26 guys um trying to all do the same thing well i think Boach was just a genius at it because the way he treats people and he also remembered how hard the game is to play because it looks so easy from a distance and everybody out there including myself as soon as we got out of the game we became better it's a it's a very difficult game and i i mean think about it right and that's that's one of the problems it's uh and as a third base coach every night and here and all the fans over to 15 years you know i don't it's why i'm a little callist and i don't bruise easily because every night i was getting screamed at and people who don't know anything about it would tell you how to do it but we also had the teams that win and and this team down here in San Diego this this team not i didn't care for the other one even though all the hype i because that's not how you win you know this club is playing together and Carlos Santana not the not the catcher the great guitar player he's in the dugout with like two weeks left in the season about no about a month left in the season and he's got a giant uniform on with Santana on the back and i go out for my early bunny and there's Carlos Santana i know who he is and he we we just chit chat chit chat and then he says you know why you guys win you have you have collective you bring your collective intangibles the things that can't be quantified sure those types of things and then he says i'll see you again and we'll celebrate in the rain a month later a month later against the cardinals it's pouring down rain in october in San Francisco and marco scooter oak catches that ball in the rain and i and i just get i still get chills gone oh that's why he has a record called supernatural that wild man wild yeah wow the intangibles i like that and you start to think about you start to think about the little intangibles that this team has jerks and profile being one of the smile the the smile that but he's also a stone cold killer you he's such an irritant now he was getting under the the the rangers broadcaster skin why because he ran too slow around the bases right he's got one leg he's got one leg he's running around and listen he he's been he's got ten years in the game yeah knows the game has seen it all in the game he's having the best season of his life let that man enjoy himself a little bit because he certainly has earned it as well yeah and you know what if you look at the teams at San Francisco that won and you look at the what what was happening up there is guys like pro far people that they would trade for maybe a veteran who who'd been around but never won before and when they come over they see how what it's all about when you start winning and you and and pro far is like that and what he's doing this year has been fantastic how do you anybody that shows up every day mentally physically spiritually and ready to play the game it's not easy 162 games in 180 days it's really easy to make excuses I'm not today but pro far sometimes you have to go through all that you go through to get to a point where you're playing for everything playing for all the marbles and he's that way and as far as Merrill I'm just gonna tell a quick story I came to the big leagues when I was 21 years old too and it isn't easy because all of a sudden you're facing the guys that you might have posters on your room oh yeah that you grew up with and now they're on the mound and you got to go through all of that and and even though in the minor leagues I was runner up for every batting title you know and they started pounding me in pounding me in and I couldn't make that adjustment and I even knew it was coming and I didn't know how to get there because I was more up the middle the other way and in the gaps for for Merrill to come up here and I watched it because they started pounding him in they all we always used to say that the national leagues would he call it the hands league because that's where they're throwing the balls on your hands and he could then you got to split the plate you can't a lot of you can't cover maybe Tony could do it but not many people can cover and I could do it up for triple A you can't cover the whole plate you got to look away and be able to take in or you got to look in like I had to do a cheat a little bit to get to that fastball in and and and take the off speed pitch or take the ball away and you make those adjustments as you go he's done it remarkably and the way he plays the way he handles himself those are the guys those are the guys they're going to bring you amazing memories when his career is over you're going to look back and he's these are the reason I turn television on every night watch him no kidding yeah I mean he's definitely up there for us too and in our family Bo loves him obviously I was just this is Jackson Marrow Jackson Jackson now gonna extend what a moment and even you know even what he said after was yeah I mean all right we lost the game I'm pretty pissed I love that I mean I you love that even if it's even if it's BS I don't even care if it's BS he's allowed to be proud he's allowed to be excited he should be excited and proud of himself but he knows the job's not done yet the thing I love the most the the adjustments you talk about because you you said oh they started pounding me in so I started cheating I started cheating a little bit well then once you start to cheat what do they do to you they mix it up on you again oh yeah then I go there then you go the other way but I was I like that out there you know and and you have to go through all of that the the adjustments to stay in the big leagues and I managed like I said at every level I even managed in a big leagues for a day and got the victory that's a whole another story I'll tell you all right I know want that one too but in AAA when I was managing almost everybody had amazing moments in the big leagues in AAA you've got I had I mean Joe Charbono is rookie of the year and then the next year he's back in AAA yeah because you can't make adjustments this is game a game of adjustments and they'll find out in the now they'll find out in 15 minutes and everybody will be coming at you until you make that adjustment so what he's done is it's been really remarkable at his age take a quick break we'll be right back with more from plan obviously want to talk some Tony Gwen you played with Tony you talk about his his acumen I would like personally for fans to stop comparing any well not comparing but saying like well Tony Gwen could do it because you you played with him you saw him how he worked he's a unicorn he's he's one and a billion right so I want to talk about the work that he put in how he did it some great Tony Gwen stories and more coming up next with Tim Flannery here on the fan welcome back better woods 97 3 the fan very special guest in studio this morning the great Tim Flannery joins us telling telling all kinds of baseball stories we will get right back to them after we do a quick check of traffic I joined live in studio by Tim Flannery former Padre second baseman shortstop utility man wherever they needed your fan you would play you would hit anywhere you didn't care just wanted to be in the lineup every day which is such a different mentality than guys like I have don't hit it here do not please let me have to sacrifice but because I'm afraid to hit right I was always that guy oh but no I mean the some of the guys that you played with obviously legends of the game we heard the the panel at fantasy camp talking about the 84 team and it was it was staggering some of the stories goose gosses lunatic straight up lunatic Kerry Templeton yeah yeah old goose telling Ben he's a nerd was amazing we made the mistake of putting goose on live radio we did yeah that is a huge huge fan started needling him about analytics in today's game I think I lost it that's that's the drop you're a nerd too yeah call them a nerd straight up straight up straight to his face pointed at it you're a nerd too yeah Ben's like oh man I just thought I would be now the nerd it's great it was great when they brought nettles and goose over the bright before the season in 1984 we watched them walk in the club house at Jack Murphy Qualcomm whatever it's called was called and we all looked at each other and it was such a positive it was like the front office they just saved us they want we're gonna they this is the time this is our time and and they were such a a huge part of and nettles being a guy that I loved when with New York he was living in North County I would drive every day to and back for the ballpark he would take me with him on him and goose out on the road at night time after games oh my god I'll never forget it was like 2 30 in the morning in New York City and we come up an alley they're taking me to studio 54 and we get out and it's pitch black in the middle of the night and there's a line and one guy just they just said mr. Gossage mr. Nettles come on in unreal he taught taught us a lot and the stories that you were talking about earlier of pv and Trevor came to that fantasy camp to be around that crew be around our 84 crew and I heard pv telling Trevor hoppy you got to get in here listen to their stories these guys they they fought the fans they were in the stands fighting the fans they fought other teams they beat each other up and then I'd always say yeah but we were we'd always me goose and I would go to blow sometimes and then when I'm going out to hit he'd be there cheering for me and then we would be out that night it was just a different time and thank god there wasn't social media oh you would have been toast I mean I think about it all the time I think about those old crazy ass Yankee teams out every single night that you know it's one thing too like obviously me as a potteries fan now I'm there's a part of me that's glad that I don't see my favorite guys out at studio 54 at 3 o'clock in the morning because then I'm like all right and then you know you the next day you go one for four strikeout three times it's like well no wonder there's so much information now back then ball players were a bit of a mystery and you can get away with a lot more yes you sure could and even before that I hear stories of my uncle told me about Mickey Manel he played with Mickey Manel and during the trains when they were traveling on trains you know yeah I tell you we used to we talked like the old coaches in San Francisco because we were the old coaches and voters to go I tell you back in the day when we took the train so the trains ready to leave and Mickey shows up right when the trains leaving about one two in the morning and he had a couple girls with him and they said you know the rules there's no women on the on these trains and Mickey goes okay good luck in Cleveland then oh my god and they okay okay come on oh my god you could love you Cleveland it's unbelievable I mean it's so good but if that came out about my favorite player now I would hate it it would be a huge scandal I mean we'd be wearing it on Twitter and everything else but oh my god what a different uh what a what a bygone area let's talk about uh let's talk about Tony Gwen uh somebody that you played with and and uh you know obviously he's one of those guys where every day if you're on social media whatever you always see whether it's Instagram whether it's Twitter doesn't matter where it is you see some thing pop up and it's Tony Gwen's face and it's Tony Gwen only struck out three times in 14 years or something against this picture and every day there's this new stat that I see and I went it just blows my mind I know how hard hitting is I have no idea how hard it is to hit at that level um and against the pictures that he did it against and the pictures that you did it against but my god did he make it look easy he worked at it he worked at it harder than anybody and of course the story and it's true that he brought the video in he brought the first time videos we're in and I'll tell you to this day he's probably the only guy that knows what they're looking for when they're looking at the video instead of just staring at it with you know glazed over the eyes like he's you're supposed to yeah right he knew exactly what he was doing and he even if he had four hits the night before he had an early hitting every day at four o'clock and it was just you know and selfishly my best year when I got to play every day I was utility guy you know and but when I did play every every day a couple years I had had my best years because I let off and Tony hit second and when the cat would go one and oh I'd see the manager sprint to the mound I knew exactly what he was saying don't walk this guy Tony's coming up so I got a pitch to hit um but just the way he he and and you know he was my locker mate next to me and you know that game you've always played before the season to get in San Diego State the last game after spring training Tony when he was in San Diego State went five for five off of our big league pitchers unreal and I remember Dick Williams said that kid over there I don't know I'm just telling you when he gets to the big leagues he's never going to be taken out of the lineup ever and and then Tony came up and and I had 10 years sitting next to him in a locker and I turned him on to his bat his B267 33 inches 33 and a half inches 32 ounces that I used it was a B267 nice barrel uh and Tony used that his whole career as well I'm sorry here here comes this kid and you know you'd seen him a little bit obviously you'd heard about him and knew what he was capable of um and he's your locker mate you got 10 years in the big leagues it's very similar to what's going on right now I think in the Peko Park Jackson Merrill jerks and pro far did an in-game interview yesterday which I hate by the way in the middle of the inning and he's great he did he did a fantastic job but he's talking about a 21 year old coming in moving guys around defensively he just started playing center field and pro far saying on the interview now he's moving us he's positioning us and he's taking charge and bro this kid's unbelievable was that some of the vibe that you got with Tony was he a was he a vocal guy when he got there was he just kind of quiet he was quiet and lead by example he led by example he was willing wanted to learn everything he could learn but we all it's just the way he handled himself as a professional as a man it was one of the one of the greatest to be able to to play with him for 10 years and then coach him for another seven yeah I was seven not we didn't really coach him he was I was I was a coach on the team nobody coach Tony gets your hands off a little bit more right but it was just remarkable to watch some and it's like that that thing and Cincinnati when I was coaching I've told the story more than once I did our MLB network I saw that it was amazing tell you get it was it was we're playing the Reds and we had rain delays all night and then about 1145 they brought out a lefty there was two guys on and who knows what inning it was but they brought in a lefty to fist face Tony and then the heavens opened up just poured poured poured so they suspended the game till the next day which means you got to play the same line up that pitcher hadn't thrown any pitches he just warmed up he's got to start the game start the game the next day so on the way up now it's like midnight we've been there all night with rain delays and and I'm walking with Tony up the stairway in old Cincinnati Riverfront he goes flying tomorrow this guy's going to throw me a first pitch slider and I'm going to hit it in that left centerfield gap and both runs are going to score it's going to be two to be ready and you know I'm thinking after we've been there 14 hours as coaches I go okay whatever Tony sure enough the next day first pitch slider he knew what the guy was going to throw him before the guy on the mound and knew and that's what Pete Rose Pete Rose could tell you and Tony could do the same hey he could look at a calendar it's okay in three weeks we're playing the Pittsburgh Pirates and this guy will be starting and these are the pitches he's got they're just geniuses in and they're all in on it it's why the uh it's why it makes me insane because of the the comparison not compare like they compare Louisa rise he's he's one of the more similar guys too that doesn't make me mad at all because he does have that ability you know the bat to ball good quick hands can hit spray ball or Tony had a little more pop than Luis does better probably better base runner but definitely better defensive player made himself a defender yeah and but you watch it but for me it's like well Tony Gwynne can do it Tony Gwynne used to do it all the time and it's like bro you got to leave him out of any modern conversations because there's nobody that does it like that absolutely and for as long as he did it and Nolan Ryan's another one they oh well Nolan Ryan did this and I'm like he's a freak he's a unicorn he worked his ass off but he was also one of a billion you know what I mean I think he's Nolan Ryan 71 times more than any pitcher I've ever faced I faced him 71 you not success didn't you enough to be fed to him the next time he pitched you know I mean this guy was I had some good moments against Nolan but nobody would play I could watch if we was like two days before the there was a catcher up in San Francisco and Timmy lintz had come throwing a bullpen so I kind of got back and so I wanted to see what Timmy was throwing at what it looked like you got in there and I'm walking away and the catcher goes hey Flynn did you ever face any nasty guys like Timmy I go yeah I've faced Nolan Ryan 71 times he goes well how come I go well I played 10 years in the big leagues and everybody would get sick they'd get this virus called Ryanitis and to this day I can't still take that there's a rigorous guard he might of course he does look for a vaccine for so Ryan's on the bump the next day all of a sudden my knee's a little swollen my back's a little stiff would start if he's pitching on Sunday on Friday you hear guys coughing you know and I knew that this is I'm a left-hand hit or I had to do it and and then when I was leading off Nolan my last couple years he would get the he you know gets the ball games about to to start he's rubbing the ball and he walks down he's playing like he's checking the grass right by the plate and he's looking right at you like you better not bunt and so after about the third or fourth time he did I just looked at him I said hey mr. Ryan I ain't gonna bunt speaking of grass you it's not that grass you told me a story because you know obviously being a part of of three championship teams with the Giants and you had some characters you had you were just talking about Timmy Linscomb you had a Buster Posey but one of the biggest characters literally and figuratively it was Pablo Sandoval I mean a guy that could absolutely rake a portly or portly or fellow not really fleet of foot but could pick it had a good arm the whole thing and you were taught telling us tell me about that story which you which had the grounds keepers do out in San Francisco well first of all the thing I liked about San Francisco you'd see the best outfielders arms and they would be blowing on their hands and hands in their pocket and they would be moving back a little bit and and it was just the way the game was up there I remember Mike Quatie when he was managing the Cubs he said at best he told the Cubs he goes we're going to San Francisco it's going to be cold it's going to be windy it's going to be two to one yeah and that's the way it was so I mean but Pablo he you know of course he wasn't running very well especially at the end and I don't even think and I said this on MLB network and one of the guys went and did all his analytics and came back said you're right I go well how about that I just watched it he wouldn't he couldn't go first to third or second to home very often so I had to the out the grounds crew to grow the grass out and I deflated the football oh my gosh I had it it was a little thicker out there just so we could get some of these guys around the bases and then the grounds crew got three World Series shares that's the I mean bro like that is those are the you want to talk about winning the margins winning the inch you grow out the grass a little bit longer so that that Buster Posey knock checks up a little bit instead of skips right to the center fielder he checks up on him a little bit and it slows the ball down Pablo Santa ball can score one extra run a week whatever it may be those are the inches the margins that's the most fascinating stuff for me about the game of baseball the fact that you had to think about that thought about that then had them executed was amazing it's amazing I love it we got got a couple minutes left before we got to go to break again but when we come back I want to talk to you about the art of third base code coaching third base absolutely and the work that goes into it that again the moron layman like myself will just watch the game and go idiot oh why would you send him he was out by 10 feet the calculations that go into very very rarely is it willy nilly I mean there's a lot of work that goes into it I want to talk about tim leaper we talked about him he's upon race third base coach we've talked about it on the show like when flan was out there at fantasy camp back in january talking to us about how simple it was to coach third base for him for him the simplicity behind it it blew our minds well because he had to dumb it down for dumb ball players after a while like you're like oh MLB player like players and coaches they wouldn't use belt for bunt no he would flannel it and he had to and we had and look everybody had video cameras on every third base coach that this thing of first of all about the trash can look if the hitter can hear somebody banging on a trash can the catcher probably can hear it a coach should hear it they finally caught on you know it's like you've got to just we always knew that but when glenn hoffman was down here coach and third and I love the hoffman's I grew up with them my the best my wife of 43 years dated glenn on friday's in high school and me on saturday's we went to different high school my favorite and then when he became a number one pick he got a you know you got his back contract we and I found that bat and don is hold it hold this hold this story stay right here we got to go break i'm talking about two o'clock in the afternoon it's fine absolutely fine these dumb breaks we have to do we'll be right back so sorry be right back Ben and Woods 97 through the pit all right one hour to go here on Ben and Woods this morning having an absolute blast in here talking to baseball with Tim Flannery joins the program today with Ben being out he'll be back tomorrow I could do this honestly for another couple hours he's so much fun today is flown by but you were just telling the story about the hoffman family who obviously is very beloved here in San Diego and glenn third base coach for a long long time and and so you guys had a little rivalry on and off the field in a very special way because we grew up in the same area of banana heim and even you know Trevor was just a little a little brat he was like eight or nine or whatever when glenn was a was in high school and glenn was a great basketball player number one pick of the red socks and I found his bat when you get a bat contract when you get to the big leagues or when you sign in your top pick and you get all of a sudden you got a bat with your louisville slager with your autograph on it and then go wow this is something well I found one of his and donna's house so I took it down to home run park and hit for about eight hours putting quarters in shattered it it was all and I took it back to Don I go here's your boyfriend's bat and I used to tell this to the players when glenn would go out the third I would yell out just enough so our players could hear it not glenn I go I stole your woman and I'm coming after your signs it's just my favorite it is just my favorite and when I said earlier that everybody had a camera on everybody to steal the signs and I'll tell you why we knew that because we would do this propaganda warfare thing where glenn would put like if they had a hit and run sign on that he would put a hit and run they're hit and run sign on but then put mine on top of it and I'm looking I go wait a minute they got mine that's my that's my that's my that's my sign you know and you realize that when you when you find that I remember the Cubs in spring training we had people listen we had people walking around they had a camera on me every night so as easy as my signs were I always had something if I started with it nothing ever is on and nobody's gonna think just because I end on the belt and I go bah bah bah that means butt but that's the major league you've got look you can speak six languages and you can be the most intelligent man in the world but if you can't communicate you're not doing your job that's exactly right the the art of third base coaching is is amazing I you know the thought of going out there and and I asked you at the break you know what were you more nervous to do were you more nervous to play all right plan you're in the lineup today leading off playing second base against the Reds and or all right plan it's you know game six of the World Series and get out there and steal us a run or two if you can I can't even imagine either of them honestly but you know players once you're in the game you're in the game yeah you're in it and yeah once you see the first pitch all right time to time to party when you're coaching it's a little bit different I get so nervous watching my son play and coaching my son I just ring my hands so I mean these are your guys you come up with them they're spring training you teach them you coach them you shoulder to cry on all of it every counselor marriage counselor everything and then you know you've got you've got to make sure you guys win that ball game and you're a huge part of it over there third it's to me was one of the most look it's not for if you line up nine coaches and say who wants to coach third eight guys are stepping back yeah it can get vicious over there and you can get run out of town and you have to move and all sorts of stuff I mean it because people don't understand it but if you can get your players to to think alike like you and what you're thinking about it's a lot easier again up there you got to know your team you got to know who you know who's hot you got to know the arms and who can run but we also had the eighth hitter in a pitcher it was it was time well you would gamble down there because they're going to walk everybody to get to the pitcher and a rally back then with the pitcher and it's usually a three that's a big rally and now with everybody with professional hitters a rally could go on forever and it's maybe even a little easier where you can just hold guys and say hey you got professional hitters coming up let them let them go but when I went first of all I did five years coaching third in the minor leagues when you're managing in the minor leagues you're coaching third and that's how you learned to coach third because you'll realize well I should have sent I should have I got to put the contact play on or I should have jammed them because the other manager's not going to let this guy hit so you learn all of that and you make all the crazy mistakes and then you know I did seven years here in San Diego coaching third and you look it's it's there's no easy way to do it and then I did eight up there but I love it it was like playing every day for me you know and and yeah you got you were way into it I mean you're one of the most demonstrative well known you know best in the business type third base coaches I went to San Francisco and I left everything I mean I left to say I was waking up in somebody's house I was renting on a floor with no furniture in the fog the first few years I'm going what did I do what am I doing and then it started happening with the young players coming up but I would always take them we had a day in spring training that I would get them all together and walk from base to base to base and explain what I'm thinking and what the what we're trying to do here but I usually get them together and said you know you guys I've watched you lift weights all winter long and run the stadiums and get strong and now you come to spring training and I hear you hitting down in those cages I hear you're hitting early in the morning and you're hitting soft toss all of that to get on base now these defenders I'm watching the pitchers or watch they're working out all winter and they're looking at videos as you as a hitter they're doing everything they can to keep you off base and now there's eight guys with gloves and a guy with a mitt and they're taking a hundred ground balls a day fly balls every day to keep you from getting on base so being on base must be pretty important that's how it would start yeah nobody because nobody wants to go out and do base running drills ever that's how you win yeah you want ground balls you want to hit you want soft toss absolutely it's the margins and what I really love about Mike Schilt not to mention he's a great baseball man he's a great baseball man and what he's what he did in St. Louis before he didn't get along with the metric man or whoever up there it's just wonderful that he came here to San Diego but what he did this year at spring training because you can see it even though they might be buttoned sometimes on their own at the wrong time when you want them to hit you can you can teach that later because he addressed situational hitting he addressed it every time you come up there's a situation that you have to perform in and the pitcher knows what you're trying to do so he's not going to give you the pitch to do it and you can just see how disciplined they are and how they're moving runners and I remember I would always say on you know Twitter which you know back when I had my Twitter rant and I'm still not going to apologize only I apologize for that as I didn't I was so mad I didn't spell traitor right somebody got you for yeah but I was just learning about the internet that's a whole another job we have a little just got an iPhone by the way I had a flip phone like six weeks ago Josie Wells of the flip phone yesterday and lit up blue yeah yeah but you know I wasn't going to apologize anymore for getting fired getting run out of town and winning three world championships and that was what my point was but you know what Mike Mike Mike is doing here is just fantastic you know shilty at all I we know each other I didn't ever worked with him I was you know in different dugouts but yeah he's got him he's got him believing and the players once they see it they all become now one tangible thing that they know how to move runners they know how to get guys in and now this is really weird because I believe the game is so sacred I believe in you'll hear me say it and people don't want to hear it but I could I said it in an all-star game when Heath Bell came running in and it Arizona and and did a pop-up slide yeah I didn't know I said it out loud I just said there's two kinds of players the humble one and the one about to become that and Joey Vato look turned around looks at me goes where did you learn that and I took my hat off I go a bro I didn't just show up looking like this I earned this yeah I mean and this team is fun to watch and I think because they are one unit and that's how you win and in San Francisco we weren't always the best team talent-wise we were the strongest team together rather than our individual part talking to Tim Flannery here I'm then in woods this morning this is such good stuff land I want to ask you about those those teams because you guys went through the weird even year giant success and and you know one time is oh that's that's weird that that happened twice three times is is wild it's wild so when you guys were going through that I mean you won it in 10 didn't make the playoffs at 11 is that right walk us through the the what you guys were feel like the world series hangover it clearly is a real thing for you guys you start those next seasons on those even years you're like you know last year was rough but it's an even year there would always be so much hoopla you know and I finally got and I got tired of it Kyberg told me to zip it up there because I dropped the the gladiator line the time for honoring ourselves is soon coming to an end you know but this ball club that that ball club and what the key is and I think I see I'm seeing it here is you get guys that have been veterans like a Marco scooter or or a hunter pants who who didn't have never won and when they get a chance to win they're hungry they get it and they become better people and better players together and there's nothing like the brotherhood that you have and you come in and you know that you're the world champions and you know they're going to shoot for you but it was always always just a and it's the characters that they had up there and the great pitch and I mean the pitch was unreal pitching was unreal and that's this team if you can get at the trade deadline you get you definitely always need I always thank you win championships with bench and bullpen Tony Kubek told me that a hundred years ago and I still watched it over the years you've got to get pitch in because you got minimum you got 1400 innings you got to eat and somebody's got to eat them but when if you can get guys that have had really careers but never had a chance to win when they get a part of that and that's what Brian Sabian did up there he would get guys for the at the trade deadline that really made a difference and wanted to win and it just was a combination thing the the back and forth though had to make you insane and Boach insane win one down win again down rosters didn't change the time yeah poor players were still there yeah just it was it just the hangover the grind of a 162 plus all those games in the the what it just watching pottery games in June takes a lot out of you as a fan I'm my blood pressures up you know I'm pacing the house I'm snacking like crazy because this team's making me insane I can't even imagine you know being a player or a coach through that I think Brian Sabian's son walked through after I would always run well I would go up to my locker I needed some a moment of silence and thank thank the creator for this allowing it but Brian Sabian son walked through and he sees his dad just weeping and I'm I'd be puking I'd be vomiting because it just it was emotional and you wouldn't know how heavy it was until after the fact you know and I remember his son said I had no idea the magnitude of it you know it's special it really is it's something that I really would love to see I would love to see this club this club this club look I didn't I don't like individual stars them because it doesn't work you know and that's just it's not basketball you know honestly and it's you're right and I'm I like I like good players and like great players um I like I like guys that are entertainers too I think the entertainment part of the game is great but this team certainly feels different than last year's team and the year before it looks different it looks different and from the as a fan I'm proud of him I'm and and she'll and the coaches the staff and and Timmy Leeper's a good third base coach he was a a great first base coach for a lot of years and and and went over there he's doing and you've got to make decisions and when I went to San Francisco I said I'm going there to win or go home I'm not going to live on a guy's floor in the fog if we're not you know so I was making decisions I thought were it was chancy at times but look anybody and I remember the first month I was there one of the owners Peter McGowan I rest in peace he was a beautiful man but we were in a banquet I went to the bathroom he goes well you got another guy thrown out today oh no and I had a couple glasses of wine at the time when I was drinking thank god I've stopped that but I earned I earned it and I looked at him I go Peter if you wanted safety first you should have hired a school crossing guard oh my god man I can't even imagine and Timmy Leeper made a and you're going to make the right decision and still get booed out of the ballpark and things like that but when you know you've made the right decision and I would make my decisions on if I could see I want to be able to sleep that night and and Leep made one in LA that I would have sent him because there was a you know the left fielder out fillers arm was like a 40 which is below average shortstop made a great pick made a perfect go you also got the runner anytime the balls down left fill on you got a runner running in the baseline so you got to bring that into it so once in a while you got to tip your hat to the guys that made a great cut-off play but you're not guaranteed just because you hold guys at third that they're gonna score 100% I mean it's it's I tend to kind of err on the side of aggression to be aggressive make them make plays Tim Flannery joins us we'll take a quick break we'll come right back got about 45 minutes left I can't get enough stories who knows what direction this will take next but stay right here it's 97-3 the fan Flan you got rave reviews coming in via text message via the chat you really knocked it out of the park with these stories they were joined by Tim Flannery here I want to do at the bottom of the hour and final segment let's do a little Q&A look Q&A I have a few questions if you're in the YouTube chat fire away questions we got it a post up on X as well he was leaving your questions for flan we were talking about earlier off the air uh bunting you know and I've I've you lean into a bit after a while so anytime at the pottery bonds and it's successful my twitter blows up how'd you like to up bunting woodsy and I'm like look man I I'm not again for the record I'm not against the bunt I'm against my three hole hitter chasing one run in the fifth when he's scorching hot you know but that's the way he plays the game and I understand that that mentality that's been that they're working on and they want to do it so much so bad to help the team absolutely which inherently is a great thing tell tell everybody the story of the Giants about uh Bruce Bocey screaming at you thinking that you're putting these buns on yeah it's 2012 I mean the pitching we had and yeah I use that quote earlier that what Kwatty said we're going to San Francisco is to be cold when he's gonna be two to one yeah um and early in the game in Colorado spit a robe sacrifice bunting like the second inning and Boce is screaming at me and this has happened now like five straight days I looked I go I'm not putting it on and then I told him I go I just let you know they had a team meeting without you Boce unreal and they decided that they want the pitchers to have a one run lead because of the amazing pitching that the Giants had so let me get this just the on the record Bruce Bocey one of the greatest managers of all time was not a big fan of the what it's situational there's a time and place for the sacrifice bond when he's watching his guys go up on their own and lay one down the guys actually came together without Bruce Bocey in the room and looked around and said hey we need to bump more we need to get a lead let's get a lead and let these cats go out and pitch with it even if it's a one way why didn't those guys think well we're pretty good let's let him pitch with a four run lead by not giving away outs in the fourth inning or second in Colorado but I just said hey that's something you got to worry about Boce I don't know I mean these guys are button I'm not telling him this you know I mean they had a meeting without you and this is what they want to do it's unreal and Boce has always been that with a player's manager he'll he'll let the guy he'll let you give him his mutton enough roles until he has to stop it but it worked out that's so so funny how much I know it's different it was different when you coached and certainly different when you played how involved do you is your perception of how involved is the big league manager these days as it pertains to things like that and the bunt the hit and run obviously I think the manager probably puts most hit and runs on but the steel you know things like that because we we have seen some goofy bass running at times when your team is is struggling maybe to score runs you do find guys trying to stretch a little bit they're trying to make something happen which again inherently is a good thing but a baseball player left to his own devices flan is not always the best recipe for success well something yeah not all of them know what their strength is right and at the big league level because they get here sometimes quick but you know your team identity will and your pitch in when you pitch it and play in defense and I always bring back the Padres 2010 team that was a scariest team because they pitched they would they would beat you two to one we beat him at the last day of the season but that's how you're we were you know you pitched you played defense you got to know what your strengths are as a ball club and Boach was great at it you know but he was never a guy that wanted to play small ball early but it was different then you know once they brought nine professional hitters together and there was no eight hitter no pitcher but we we he mentioned it to me just a few weeks ago that our our i took it i was the bunt doctor i have a i have a little bubblegum card where i'm doing a bunch right and if a guy screwed up i would put that in his locker and say you have an appointment with the bunt doctor tomorrow i said you go to a lawyer you get a card from a lawyer you go from that i go here's my card i'm a bunt doctor and you know you're killing me you got to go down i'm getting beat up you know because Boach that's the he would he was rushing for that crush the when he the rare occasion he would call a button they didn't get it down then it was your ass oh yeah all the time why do we do it why do we do it and when he did call me to come back up to San Francisco he goes hey i'm not yelling at my coaches anymore i go bull that's baloney i go but i've had a few years i've had a few years off so i'm ready for it that's amazing yeah that's after we won the third one i go i'm out of here i'm done i'm done for you watching him win another one in Texas were you surprised he went back i was surprised but i got a text message around christmas before he went he said hey i see that your band's just killing it you're playing you're doing great he goes man did you see those playoff games i missed those games i missed that feeling i just texted him back on my flip phone i'm very fine coaching from the couch and i am not coming to Texas that's amazing and then when i came to fantasy league he even knew i was coming over to do fantasy league i get a text he goes i knew you wanted to work i brought you to Texas i go i'm i got five days in me and that is it bodes what he have asked you if you didn't reach out ahead of time saying i'm not doing it would he have tried to get you to go out to Texas well i knew the text messages were that that was the opening that's what that was that was the opening that's how we did it the last time as well too you know now all right let's think about this the guy that fired me was he could only bring one coach and and the ownership up there's now tells me they go he he said he has to have you and i go isn't it crazy that's all but that was our relationship yeah you know i played with him for five years and we were we were running mates uh you know off the field before social media of course and boats was just wonderful and he was a great catcher everybody wanted a pitch to him and you just see all the managers and he has a great knack of of of of the bullpen you saw that he had the worst bullpen in in the league up and then when you get you give him a day they were terrible when you give him a day off because of media in the playoffs in world series he plugs in a starter he plugs in a couple that you know that yeah he's genius at that they were horrid and i i i i they have some good players against good young players have had a lot of energy their bullpen is atrocious and i don't think they're gonna go very far right look at them and once they gave him those extra days off yeah and you get that fifth starter then becomes you know and that's what they did well you know we had lidsicum coming out of the bullpen in san francisco you had you know cane a couple times zito pitched in 2012 out of the out of the bullpen those last few games when you know that's that that that's just for managing you only get good at like coach in third by coach in third i told these guys at the break you know i did it 20 years five in the minor leagues and 15 in the big leagues you know san francisco people saw me the last you know you're the best third base coach ever i go yeah you should have just seen me the first 15 years because you there's no way somebody can tell you i mean i had great teachers jimmy williams joey mall fatano jimmy davaport would take me out and on positioning and i just loved it i loved it but you know there's nights that uh perfect example was we had uh pablo on first bay uh buster on first base nobody out in san francisco pablo hits a ball left center field gap that's usually a no-brainer i send buster with nobody out he gets thrown out at the plate perfect relay uh bum loses two to nothing i and i went out on television and told the whole world that i lost the game um i i would terrible mistake on my part and the players saw it and they go they saw what i had to go through it was a birthday night for me or for my daughter and i couldn't even take him out in san francisco because people at that time would have killed you that you know when we first went up there you know they they were yelling go back to san diego yeah then we would come to san diego you guys are traitors so we we had nowhere to go you know so it took a while for us to win them over up there but yeah it's it's it's a crazy beautiful game it sure is man uh all right we got one more segment with flan coming up next we'll do some q and a with flan uh certainly but now call now for a pair tickets to john fogordy at the radie shell september 4th tickets on sale and ticket master dot com call 833 280 973 we'll give them to the uh the fourth caller here on benham woods this morning uh 833 280 973 if you want a pair of tickets you'll see john fogordy i bet you're a fogordy fan i do you can't look at him more than a second and a half and that's true he's you know those bizarre freaky artists yeah my petal steel player dug peta bones a rock star and plays with all these guys he goes yeah he only allows you to look at him but one of those he's like ben yeah he's just like ben do not look the artist in the eye yeah just a second half second half and then you gotta look away flan is not that way not that way at all all right call now we got one more segment with flan you got any questions throw them up in the chat shoot us a text or a tweet at benham woods we'll get to all those next we'll wrap up the show all right final segment of the day today actually disappointed to see the show coming to an end uh we'll be back with a little q and a with tim flannery right after this quick check of traffic all right so uh last segment uh flan we got a couple questions rolling in a lot of people just wanted to express their their appreciation for you and uh let you know what a great job you did today i've certainly had a blast talking to you as i always do i always feel that my wife makes fun of me because if i see flan somewhere i just beeline towards them i know in the other day at the party she thought that i go no i i was telling her my daughter it went to extremes because she can't just throw a party my daughter's got to have the best party that was really something else for me and she thought that you were where you no one can wear me out talking the game of baseball or having a good soul like yourself i be i walked in and i went oh cool a four-year-old's birthday party right and i said oh there's flan and i just beeline i said right next to him i was like all right let's fire it up let's go what do we what are we talking about i'm so good i always appreciate you and and your your love of the game and you've really reminded me being around you the last couple years you've really reminded me to remember a few things about baseball and and number one that there is a lot of soul involved in this game it is a very very difficult game it's a very challenging game these players are incredibly human and they are incredibly infallible and you fail so so much it has helped me flan be a better coach be a better dad so i thank you for that uh all the lessons i just flan's a guy you just want to be around you know you just want to be around to pick up your energy and um thanks so much for coming in today you know you could have get a gig last night man you could be sleeping right now sitting out drinking some coffee doing whatever but you came in for us we really appreciate trying to figure out why everybody's up in the middle of the night it's darkly i'm a musician i know all the reviews have been so good so just so you know you you crushed it and now this is going to be happening more often well just my wife will be the first one to tell you that i'm really good in small doses two hours perfect right that's exactly you know my wife says the same thing about me she says the exact same thing about me um so we had a couple questions Paul you get one uh get the first one from our buddy Hector our boy Hector he uh says Tim Flannery best non superstar infielder that you ever coached uh Brandon Crawford up there was a it was just the best all-around player for me he came up as a defender uh learned how to hit uh best base runner if i said not the fastest but him and Steve Finley were two of the best base runners ever they always gave you the same no matter i finally snapped on bonds and not in a bad well i just said look i can't if you're gonna get on second base i can't give you a mood ring i can't make a decision if you're in a good mood and you feel like running i gotta have you run the same all the time and they always did that that's amazing watching Brandon Crawford play shortstop is uh is staggering i've watched a couple videos of him out of spring training i'm pretty sure you were the one hitting him fun goes but he's doing the he's messing around having fun going between his legs behind his back he's was ungodly good how much work did he put in yeah every day they had great you know ronnie wotis is probably i was hitting him but ronnie wotis was the coach and and they had these these great as all infielders do you you've got to have a program that you stick to because this is a game of of of going the distance over eight nine months and your your prep your your schedule your routine uh is everything to get through a whole season when the season so long somebody can get pregnant in spring training and have a baby before the season's even over and you forget yeah you don't even read you don't even realize uh poly any other questions you got over there for flam yeah so you guys are going to be honored the uh 80-14 will be honored on wednesday have we even said what uh this guy's doing on this oh yeah so uh you're going to be singing the national anthem of pecco porn just you and the guitar me and the guitar i i did it uh four times five times up in san francisco with with phil leche and boffi wear i wouldn't even a deadhead but when they asked me to sing it i did it in uniform before playoff and world series games because we won every single time um and then i'd go coach third and i knew the other club was right next to st louis line because they all lined up on the line and i hear i'm singing with weird and last the anthem and then i'd go coach third and i can just hear these guys saying well that's a different type of third base coach we don't have a third base coach that does that you know uh but i did it a couple times solo as well it's uh you know uh it's it's my mom used to say i used as a when i was bo your son's age i used to call it the baseball song baseball song it's actually a country song yeah that's exactly right well speaking of 84 adam in our youtube chat asks uh the infamous brawl in atlanta in 1984 was that a big catalyst that jump started to run to the playoffs absolutely we were six games up with six weeks left uh we knew that we're as hit alan wiggins with the first pitch on purpose we thought it was more intimidation to try to because they were chasing us uh and that was a day that and a fight and i it's crazy i still am a little sore but sometimes when you wake up and what happened i mean we all got beat up bivok was in the stands beating up the season ticket holders the best i mean it was the craziest day and that they didn't it was like three times and i mean they always show it to the visiting players in atlantis to this day yeah and when the giants came in there and they saw what was going on and and they were watching this video they go you know after about the six seventh time trying they go didn't anybody give any warnings right i go yeah we yelled out look out the craziest the craziest part of that to me is the fact that who was the atlanta skipper at the tour was a jotore tour how much did they hate pascal present they sent him to the plate four times four they hated him so much that they're like now go ahead like you got us into this mess you're gonna get yours too which is insane to think about in today's day and age of protect coddle sure yeah i mean look i got a 20 million dollar your player you damn right i'm a coddle that's my investment pat back then it was like now bro you hit wiggins you're gonna get yours they left him in the game to get dotted and we couldn't get we couldn't get him you know and then lefords got him and then all it was just three times four times a bench is empty they didn't finish the game until they took everybody back up into the old atlanta clubhouse and it's like you know the f-troop or the fort the big forts when the indians were attacking they would put that big old piece of wood in the metal that they locked this in before they played the game finished the game you know when i got beat up and fine five hundred dollars just for being in the wrong place of the wrong time i actually showed bow that video because i you know i i tell bow i'm like that's that's tifflanary bro jessie's great jessie's grandfather is a legend he's a legend he's a big leaguer and he's like he was a padre like he just isn't registered i go like hang on watch this fight and i'm like look there he is there he is and it's funny because you resembled at that time my late father-in-law laurin and carot yes and uh they're like the same blonde hair and then you know a little little area on top well yeah we would be around town and people would come up to me and they would come up to him and and mistake i said i had a lot i wish i had a dollar for every time somebody says hey what's what's the weather gonna be like today or lord then why'd you send him last night i have a lot of stories about laurin he was a wonderful man of just the the best human i think i've ever come across and we it's kind of like our lives were so parallel we would run into each other at two o'clock in the morning in arizona it's so coming out of the bathroom and there he is and uh just a spectacular spectacular guy well now for it to come there's full circle as it has it's it's it's it's not lost on me certainly uh excuse me getting a chance to coach uh your incredible incredible grandson jesse was uh hanging with him over the weekend and you know he's talking to his dad Travis your son-in-law and he's like he needs to be around more boys he's surrounded by girls he's surrounded he needs to be boys jesse is uh he's three feet tall he's my lead-off hitter and is the most tenacious fiercest kid i can't wait to coach him next year and see what he turns into as well and it's just been it's been awesome man it's been awesome if you can get somebody and you've done that with jesse because i i'm not the guy that wants to to do that which makes sense yeah i want to just protect him if anything just so they get the love of the game and when you can love the game so much then it practices nothing you take a hundred ground balls every day because you love it you hit all day because you love it you you you you be in the you know well we signed in 1979 or 1976 no since 78 1978 for you know 500s a month we were riding 20-hour bus rides in the texas league you know six dollars a day to eat on nobody got into the game because there was money we we did and i remember my father-in-law Donna my wife's dad i got so mad at him but now i look back i couldn't but he said he can't make a living playing baseball and he was right back then you know and i still can't believe you let me marry that one right yeah no no question about it i mean obviously the game has changed tremendously uh but i i love thing i love about you is that you still love the game and love to watch the game and um obviously i think everybody wanted to know kind of your opinions before we go we got a few minutes left about this this pod race team this year i i'm of the opinion and i've been wrong many times before but i'm of the opinion that you know this team deserves a shot they really do they deserve a shot and they don't have the pieces necessarily yet well that was one of the questions that we did get about the current pod race team you said you're watching every night you know what it takes three times to get to a world series because do you think this team has what it takes to get to october to make a run it's starting to be it's starting it's being built i'm watching it become together and and what you you're not going to score when you get to those playoffs in world series and stuff you're not going to have you 10 runs going up so you've got to be able to pitch you got to play defense uh you've got to do the things that they're doing they're even overdoing it because they they see it worked you've got to be able to move runners uh because you're going to be facing the best pitching in the game those last few games you you've got to be able to do the little things and the game i said it earlier is so sacred and i did as a coach as a manager if you get somebody to actually say i'm gonna now look for a pitch to move a runner from second base to third with nobody out usually the game honors you you not only get the guy over you get a base hit and i remember fans down here before i went off on them on twitter uh and i don't apologize and and what they would say you what do you mean we are only hope is for productive outs i said you get 27 outs you might as well make them your friends yeah you have to and and that's the the thing that this ability that they've shown at times uh to string four five six seven hits together look and when you get to the the big games in october you also got to have to have a guy that can hit the ball out of the ballpark because sometimes it's really hard to do strength six or seven hits together against the world's best pitching on the biggest stage that said they have that ability they do have guys that are hitting the ball out of the ballpark as well they're rounding into form they just don't they they're they're lacking a little bit which is okay it's it's early july they're still time to fix it i do think this team deserves a shot at it this year when you get down there and hopefully they'll get a little help whatever help they need you know find the right chemistry as well as the player massively and when you get in those playoffs and you see that you're knocking on the door and you start seeing the door open up it's almost like you want to get on your knees and and and just thank whoever's in charge here that they feel that you honor the game you've prepared yourself well enough for these things to happen we we never say you know it was all of us oh my god we did it door here it's opening up it's our turn and when that starts happening collectively uh there's no stopping you i love it man Tim Flannery thank you so much for coming in today we had such a blast thank you again come on out to petko park on wednesday they're gonna be honoring the 84 team kick terry kennedy in the shin for me uh please hey i traded for you i know you did that's what i love he's that uh he we call him oscar the grout he's always grouchy he's grouchiest dude ever flan he crushed it today thanks so much we'll be back tomorrow thanks bollie benny he's got to follow that well you guys do it every day tomorrow good luck i'm good in small doses out of boy thanks so much we'll be back tomorrow benny woods 97 3 fan have a great day everybody welcome back benny woods 97 3 the fan very special guest in studio this morning the great Tim Flannery joins us telling uh telling all kinds of baseball stories we will get right back to them after we do a quick check of traffic i joined uh live in studio by uh Tim Flannery former padre uh second basement shortstop utility man wherever they needed your flan you would play you would hit anywhere you didn't care just wanted to be in the lineup every day which is such a uh a different mentality than guys like i have don't hit it here do not please let me have to sacrifice bunt because i'm afraid to hit right i was always that guy uh but no i mean the some of the guys that you played with obviously legends of the game we heard the uh the panel at at fantasy camp talking about the 84 team and it was it was staggering some of the stories goose gosses lunatic straight up lunatic kary templeton yeah yeah old goose telling benny's a nerd was amazing we made the mistake of putting goose on live radio we did yeah that is a huge huge fan started needling him about analytics in today's game i think i lost it that's that's the drop you're a nerd too yeah call them a nerd straight up straight to his face pointed at it you're a nerd too yeah then's like oh man i just thought i would be now the nerd it's great it was great when they brought nettles and goose over the bright before the season in 1984 we watched them walk in the clubhouse at jack murphy qualcom whatever it's called was called and we all looked at each other and it was such a positive it was like the front office they just saved us they want we're gonna we're they this is the time this is our time and and they were such a a huge part of and nettles being a guy that i'd loved when with new york he was living in north county i would drive every day too and back for the ballpark he would take me with him on him and goose out on the road at night time after games oh my god i'll never forget it was like 2 30 in the morning in new york city and we come up an alley they're taking me to studio 54 and we get out and it's pitch black in the middle of the night and there's a line and one guy just they just said mr gossage mr nettles come on in unreal he taught and taught they taught us a lot and the stories that you were talking about earlier of a pv and trevor came to that fantasy camp to be around that crew be around our 84 crew and i heard pv telling trevor hoppy you you got to get in here listen to their stories these guys they they fought the fans they were in the stands fighting the fans they fought other teams they'd beat each other up and then i'd always say yeah but we were we'd always be goose and i would go to blow sometimes and then when i'm going out to hit he'd be there cheering for me and then we would be out that night it was just a different time and thank god there wasn't social media oh you would have been toast i mean i think about it all the time i think about those old crazy ass Yankee teams out every single night that you know it's one thing too like obviously me as a potteries fan now on there's a part of me that's glad that i don't see my favorite guys out at studio 54 at three o'clock in the morning because then i'm like all right and then you know you the next day you go one for four or strike out three times it's like well no wonder there's so much information now back then ball players were a bit of a mystery and you can get away with a lot more yes you sure could and even before that i hear stories of my uncle told me about Mickey Mantle he played with Mickey Mantle and during the trains when they were traveling on trains you know yeah i tell you we used to we we talked like the old coaches in san francisco because we were the old coaches and whoa just go i tell you back in the day when we took the train so the trains ready to leave and and Mickey shows up right when the trains leaving about one two in the morning and he had a couple girls with him and and they submit you know the rules there's no women on the on these trains and micky goes okay good luck in cleveland then oh my god and they okay okay mick come on oh my god we could love you cleveland it's unbelievable i mean it's so good but if that came out about my favorite player now i would hate it it would be a huge scandal i mean we'd be wearing it on twitter and everything else but oh my god what a different uh what a what a bygone area let's talk about uh let's talk about tony gwen uh somebody that we played with and and uh you know obviously he's one of those guys where every day if you're on social media whatever you always see whether it's instagram whether it's twitter doesn't matter where it is you see some thing pop up and it's tony gwen's face and it's tony gwen only struck out three times in 14 years or something against this picture and every day there's this new stat that i see and i went it just blows my mind i know how hard hitting is i have no idea how hard it is to hit at that level um and against the pictures that he did it against and the pictures that you did it against but my god did he make it look easy he worked at it he worked at it harder than anybody and of course the story and it's true that he brought the video in he brought the first time videos we're in and i'll tell you to this day he's probably the only guy that knows what they're looking for when they're looking at the video instead of just staring at it with you know glazed over eyes like you're supposed to yeah right he knew exactly what he was doing and he even if he had four hits the night before he had early hitting every day at four o'clock and it was just you know and selfishly my best year when i got to play every day i was a utility guy you know and but when i did play every every day a couple of years i had had my best years because i led off and tony hit second and when the cat would go one and oh i'd see the manager sprint to the mound i knew exactly what he was saying don't walk this guy tony's coming up so i jumped in the hitch to hit um but just the way he he and and you know he was my locker mate next to me and you know that game you've always played before the season to get in san diego state the last game after spring training tony when he was in san diego state went five for five off of our big league pitches and real and i remember dick way him said that kid over there i don't know i'm just telling you when he gets to the big leagues he's never going to be taken out of a lineup ever and and then tony came up and and i had 10 years sitting next to him in a locker and i turned him on to his bat his B267 33 inches 33 and a half inches 32 ounces that i used it was a B267 nice barrel and tony used that his whole career as well i'm sorry here here comes this kid and you know you'd seen him a little bit obviously you'd heard about him and knew what he was capable of um and he's your locker mate you got 10 years in the big leagues it's very similar to what's going on right now i think in the pecco park it's jackson meryl jerks and pro far did an in-game interview yesterday which i hate by the way yeah in the middle of the hitting and he's great he did he did a fantastic job but he's talking about a 21 year old coming in moving guys around defensively he just started playing center field and pro far saying on the interview now he's moving us he's positioning us and he's taking charge and bro this kid's unbelievable was that some of the vibe that you got with tony was he a was he a vocal guy when he got there was he just kind of quiet he was quiet and lead by example he led by example he was willing wanted to learn everything he could learn but we all it's just the way he handled himself as a professional as a man uh it was one of the one of the greatest to be able to to play with him for 10 years and then coach him for another seven i yeah i was seven not we didn't really coach him he was i was i was a coach on the team nobody coached on it tony gets your hands off a little bit more right but it was just remarkable to watch some and it's like that that thing and since it had he when i was coaching i've told the story more than once i did our MLB network i saw that it was amazing tell the good it was it was uh we're playing the Reds and we had rain delays all night and then about 11 45 they brought out a lefty uh there was two guys on and who knows what ending it was but uh they brought in a lefty to fist face tony and then the heavens opened up just poured poured poured so they suspended the game till the next day which means you got to play the same line up that pitcher hadn't thrown any pitches he just warmed up he's got to start the game start the game the next day yep so on the way up now it's like midnight we've been there all night with rain delays and and i'm walking with tony up the stairway in old sense at any riverfront he goes flying uh tomorrow this guy's going to throw me a first pitch slider and i'm going to hit it in that left center field gap and both runs are going to score it's going to be two to two be ready and i you know i'm thinking after we've been there 14 hours as coaches like okay whatever tony sure enough the next day first pitch slider he knew what the guy was going to throw him before the guy on the mound and knew and that's what Pete rose Pete rose could tell you and tony could do the same he could look at a calendar it's okay in three weeks we're playing the Pittsburgh Pirates and this guy will be starting and these are the pitches he's got they're just geniuses in and they're all in on it it's why the uh it's why it makes me insane because of the the comparison not compare like they compare Luis arise he's he's one of the more similar guys too that doesn't make me mad at all because he does have that ability you know the bat to ball good quick hands can hit spray ball or tony had a little a little more pop than Luis does better probably better bass runner but definitely better defensive player made himself a defender yeah and but you watch it but for me it's like well tony gwin can do it tony gwin used to do it all the time and it's like bro you got to leave him out of any modern conversations because there's nobody that does it like that absolutely and for as long as he did it and Nolan ryan's another one they oh well Nolan ryan did this and i'm like he's a freak he's a unicorn he worked his ass off but he was also one of a billion you know what i mean i face Nolan ryan 71 times more than any picture i've ever faced i face him 71 times you have success didn't you enough to be fed to him the next time he pitched you know i mean this guy was i had some good moments against Nolan but nobody would play i could watch if we was like two days before that there was a catcher up in San Francisco and timmy linson comes throwing a bullpen so i kind of got back and so i wanted to see what timmy was throwing what it looked like you got in there and i'm walking away and the catcher goes hey flan did you ever face any nasty guys like timmy i go yeah i face Nolan ryan 71 times he goes well how come i go well i played 10 years in the big leagues and everybody would get sick they'd get this virus called ryanitis and to this day i kid still thinks that there's a real risk going he might of course he does look for a vaccine for it so ryan's on the bump the next day all of a sudden my knee's a little swollen my back is a little stiff he would start if he's pitching on sunday on friday you hear guys coughing you know and i knew that this is i'm a left hand hit or i had to do it and then when i was leading off nathan my last couple years he would get the he you know gets the ball and games about to to start he's rubbing the ball and he walks down he's playing like he's checking the grass right by the plate and he's looking right at you like you better not blunt and so after about the third or fourth time he did i just looked at him i said hey mister ryan i ain't gonna bother speaking of grass you it's not that grass you told me a story uh because you know obviously being a part of of three championship teams with the giants and you had some characters you had you were just talking about timmy linscomb you had a buster posey but one of the biggest characters literally and figuratively it was pablo sanival i mean a guy that could absolutely rake um a portly or portly or fellow not really fleet a foot but could pick it had a good arm the whole thing and and you were taught telling us tell me about that story which you which you had the groundskeepers do out in san francisco well first of all the thing i liked about san francisco you'd see the best out fillers arms uh and they would be blowing on their hands and hands in their pocket and they would be moving back a little bit and and and it was just the way the game was up there i remember mike quadby when he was managing the cubs he said at best he told the cubs he goes we're going to san francisco it's going to be cold it's going to be windy it's going to be two to one yeah and and that's the way it was so i mean uh but pablo he you know of course he he wasn't running very well especially at the end uh and i don't even think and i said this on mrob network and and one of the guys went and did all his analytics and came back said you're right i go well how about that yeah i just watched it he wouldn't he couldn't go first a third or second to home very often uh so i had to the out the grounds crew grow the grass out and i deflated the football oh my gosh i had it it was a little thicker out there just so we could get some of these guys around the bases and then the grounds crew got three world series shares that's the i mean bro i that is those are the you want to talk about winning the margins winning the inch you grow out the grass a little bit longer so that that buster posy knock checks up a little bit instead of skips right to the center fielder he checks up on him a little bit and it slows the ball down pablo sanibald can score one extra run a week whatever it may be those are the the inches the margins that's the most fascinating stuff for me about the game of baseball the fact that you had to think about that thought about that and then had them executed was amazing it's amazing i loved it we got got a couple minutes left before we got to go to break again but when we come back i want to talk to you about the art of third base code coaching third band absolutely and uh the work that goes into it that again the moron layman like myself will just watch the game and go idiot oh why would you send him he was out by 10 feet the calculations that go into very very rarely is it willy nilly i mean there's a lot of work that goes into it i want to talk about tim leaper we talked about him he's a pod race third base coach we've talked about it on the show like when flan was out there at fantasy camp back in january talking to us about how simple it was to coach third base for him for him the simplicity behind it it blew our mind well because he had to dumb it down for dumbball players after a while like you're like oh mlb player like players and coaches they wouldn't use belt for bunt no it would flannel it and he had to and we had everybody had video cameras on every third base coach that this thing of first of all about the trash can look if the hitter can hear somebody banging on a trash can the catch or probably can hear it a coach should hear it they finally caught on you know it's like you've got it just we always knew that but when glenn hoffman was down here coaching third and i love the hoffman's i grew up with him my the best my wife of 43 years dated glenn on friday's in high school and me on saturday's we went to different high school my favorite and then when he became a number one pick he got him you know you got his back contract we and i found that bat and don is hold this hold this story stay right here we got to go to break i'm talking to a clock in the afternoon it's fine absolutely fine these dumb breaks we have to do we'll be right back so sorry be right back Ben & Woods 97 through the pit all right one hour to go here on Ben & Woods this morning having an absolute blast in here talking to baseball with Tim Flannery joins the program today with Ben being out he'll be back tomorrow i could do this honestly for another couple hours he's so much fun today is flown by but you were just telling the story about the hoffman family who obviously is very beloved here in san diego and glenn third base coach for a long long time and and so you guys had a little rivalry on and off the field in a very special way because we grew up in the same area up in anahime and even you know Trevor was just a little a little brat he was like eight or nine or whatever when glenn was in was in high school and glenn was a great basketball player number one pick of the red socks and i found his bat when you get a bat contract when you get to the big leagues or when you sign in your top pick and you get all of a sudden you got a bat with your lewy little slugger with your autograph on it and then go wow this is something well i found one of his and adana's house so i took it down to home run park and hit for about eight hours putting quarters in shattered it it was all i took it back to dawn i go here's your boyfriend's bat and i used to tell this to the players when glenn would go out the third i would yell out just enough so our players could hear not glenn i go i stole your woman and i'm coming after your signs just my favorite it is just my favorite and when i said earlier that everybody had a camera on everybody to steal the signs and i'll tell you why we knew that because we would do this probably get into warfare thing where glenn would put like if they had a hit and run sign on that he would put a hit and run their hit and run sign on but then put mine on top of it and i'm looking i go wait a minute they got mine that's my that's my that's my that's my sign you know and you realize that when you when you find that i remember the cubs in spring training we had people listen we had people walking around they had a camera on me every night so as easy as my signs were i always had something if i started with it nothing ever is on and nobody's going to think just because i end on the belt and i go that means but but that's the major league you've got look you can speak six languages and you can be the most intelligent man in the world but if you can't communicate you're not doing your job that's exactly right the the art of third base coaching is is amazing i you know the the thought of going out there and and i asked you at the break you know what were you more nervous to do were you more nervous to play all right plan you're in the lineup today leading off playing second base against the Reds and or all right plan it's you know game six of the world series and get out there and steal us a runner too if you can i can't even imagine either of them honestly but you know players once you're in the game you're in the game yeah you're in it and yeah once you see the first pitch all right time to time to party when your coaching is a little bit different i get so nervous watching my son play and coaching my son i just wring my hands so i mean these are your guys you come up with them they're spring training you teach them you coach them you shoulder to cry on all of it every counselor marriage counselor everything and then you know you've got to you got to make sure you guys win that ball game and you're a huge part of it over there third it's to me was one of the most look it's not for if you line up nine coaches and say who wants to coach third eight guys are stepping back yeah it can get vicious over there and you can get run out of town and you have to move and all sorts of stuff i mean because people don't understand it but if you can get your players to to think alike like you and what you're thinking about it's a lot easier again up there you got to know your team you got to know who you know who's hot you got to know the arms and who can run but we also had the eighth hitter in a pitcher it was it was time you would gamble down there because they're going to walk everybody to get to the pitcher and a rally back then with the pitcher and it's usually a three that's a big rally and now with everybody with professional hitters a rally could go on forever and it's maybe even a little easier where you can just hold guys and say hey you got professional hitters coming up let them let them go but when i went first of all i did five years coaching third in the minor leagues when you're managing in the minor leagues you're coaching third and that's how you learned to coach third because you'll realize well i should have sent i should have i got to put the contact play on or i should have jammed him because the other managers not going to let this guy hit so you learn all of that and you make all the crazy mistakes and then you know i did seven years here in san diego coaching third and you look it's it's there's no easy way to do it and then i did eight up there but i love it it was like playing every day for me you know and and uh yeah you got you were way into it i mean you're one of the most demonstrative well-known you know uh uh best in the business type third base coaches i went to san francisco and i left everything i mean i left to sandy i left i was waking up in somebody's house i was renting on a floor with no furniture in the fog the first few years i'm going what did i do what am i doing and then it started happening with the young players coming up but i would always take them we had a day on spring training that i would get them all together and walk from base to base to base and explain what i'm thinking and what the what we're trying to do here but you usually get them together and said you know you guys i've watched you lift weights all winter long and run the stadiums and um get strong and now you come to spring training and i hear you hitting down in those cages i hear you're hitting early in the morning and you're hitting soft toss all of that to get on base now these defenders i'm watching the pitchers or watch they're working out all winter and they're looking at videos as you as a hitter they're doing everything they can to keep you off base and now there's eight guys with gloves and a guy with a mitt and they're taking a hundred ground balls a day fly balls every day to keep you from getting on base so being on base must be pretty important that's how it would start yeah nobody because nobody wants to go out and do base running drills ever that's how you win yeah you want ground balls you want to hit you want soft toss absolutely it's the margins and what i really love about mike shilt not to mention he's a great baseball man he's a great baseball man and what he's what he did in st louis before he didn't get along with the the metric man or whoever up there uh it's just wonderful that he came here to san diego um but what he did this year at spring training because you can see it even though they might be button sometimes on their own at the wrong time when you want them to hit uh you can you can teach that later because he addressed situational hitting he addressed it every time you come up there's a situation that you have to perform in and the pitcher knows what you're trying to do so he's not going to give you the pitch to do it and you can just see how disciplined they are and how they're moving runners and i remember i would always say on you know twitter which of you know back when i had my twitter rant and i'm still not going to apologize only i apologize for that as i didn't i was so mad i didn't spell traitor right somebody got you for yeah but i was just learning about the internet that's a whole another job we have a little he just got an iphone by the way i had a flip phone like six weeks ago i was josey wells of the flip phone yeah i'll put a whole other sound it was a g yesterday and it lit up blue yeah yeah yeah i would suffer an iphone but you know i'm only going to apologize anymore for getting fired getting run out of town and winning three world championships and that was what my point was but uh you know what my my mic is doing here is just fantastic you know shilty at all i we know each other i i didn't ever worked with him i was you know in different dugouts but uh yeah he's got him he's got him believing and the players once they see it they all become now one tangible thing that they know how to move runners they know how to get guys in and now this is really weird because i believe the game is so sacred i believe in you'll hear me say it and people don't want to hear it but i could i said it in a all-star game when heath bell came running in and it's it arizona and and did a pop up slide yeah i didn't know i said it out loud i just said there's two kinds of players the humble one and the one about to become that and joey vato look turned around looks at me goes where did you learn that and i took my hat off i go a bro i didn't just show up looking like this i earned this yeah i mean and this team is fun to watch and i think because they are one unit and that's how you win and in san francisco we weren't always the best team talent wise we were the strongest team together rather than our individual part talking to tifflanery here i'm then in woods this morning this is such good stuff land i want to ask you about those those teams because you guys went through the weird even year giant success and and you know one time is oh that's that's weird that that happened twice three times is is wild it's wild so when you guys were going through that i mean you won it in 10 didn't make the playoffs at 11 is that right walk us through the the what you guys were feeling the world series hangover clearly is a real thing for you guys start those next seasons on those even years you're like oh you know last year was rough but it's an even year there would always be so much hoopla you know and i finally got and i got tired of it kyberg told me to zip it up there because i i dropped the the gladiator line the time for honoring ourselves is soon coming to an end you know but this ball club uh that ball club and and what the key is and i think i've seen i'm seeing it here is you get guys that have been veterans like a marco scooter or or a hunter pence who who didn't have never won and when they get a chance to win they get it and and they become better people and better players together and there's nothing like the brotherhood that you have and you come in and you know that you're the world champions and you know they're going to shoot for you but it was always always just a and it's the characters that they had up there in the in the great pitch and i mean the pitch was unreal pitch and was unreal and that's this team if you can get at the trade deadline you get you definitely always need i always thank you win championships with bench and bullpen tony kubeck told me that a hundred years ago and i still watched it over the years you've got to get pitch in because you got minimum you got fourteen hundred innings you got to eat and somebody's got to eat them but when if you can get guys that have had really careers but never had a chance to win when they get a part of that and that's what Brian sabian did up there he would get guys for the at the trade deadline that really made a difference and wanted to win and it just was a combination thing the the back and forth though had to make you insane and boach insane win one down win again down rosters didn't change a time all the core players were still there yeah just it was it just the hangover the grind of a 162 plus all those games and the the what it just watching pottery games in june takes a lot out of you as a fan of my blood pressures up you know i'm pasting the house i'm snacking like crazy because this team's making me insane i can't even imagine you know being a player or a coach through that i think brian sabian son uh walked through after i i would always run while i i would go up to my locker i needed some a moment of silence and thank thank the creator for this allowing it but uh brian sabian son walked through and he sees his dad just weeping and i'm i'd be puking i'd be vomiting because it just it was emotional and you wouldn't know how heavy it was until after the fact you know i remember his son said i had no idea the magnitude of it you know it's special it really is it's something that i really would love to see i would love to see this club this club this club look i didn't i i don't like individual stars then because it doesn't work you know and that's just it's not askable you know honestly and it's you're right and i i'm i like i like good players and like great players um i like i like guys that are our entertainers too i think the entertainment part of the game is great but this team certainly feels different than last year's team and the year before it looks different it looks different and from the as a fan what i'm proud of them i'm and and shield and the coaches the staff and and timmy leeper's a good third base coach he was a a great first base coach for a lot of years and and and went over there he he's doing and and you've got to make decisions and when i went to san francisco i said i'm going there to win or go home i'm not going to live on a guy's floor in the fog if we're not you know so i was i was making decisions i thought were it was chancy at times and but look anybody and the i remember the first month i was there one of the owners peter and mcgowan i rest in peace he was a beautiful man but we were in a banquet i went to the bathroom he goes well you got another guy thrown out today oh no and i had a couple glasses of wine at the time when i was drinking thank god i've stopped that but i earned it i earned it and i looked at him i go peter if you wanted safety first you should have hired a school crossing guard oh my god man i can't even imagine and timmy leeper made a uh and and you're going to make the right decision and still get booed out of the ballparks and things like that but when you know you've made the right decision i would make my decisions on if i could sleep i want to be able to sleep at night and and lee made one in the la that i i would have sent him because there was a you know the the left feeler out feeler's arm was like a 40 which is below average uh short stop made a great pick made a perfect go you also got the runner anytime the ball's down left there line you got a runner running in the baseline so you got to bring that into it so uh once in a while you got to tip your hat to the guys that made a great cut-off play but uh you're not guaranteed just because you hold guys at third that they're going to score 100 i mean it's it's i tend to kind of err on the side of of aggression to be aggressive make them make plays uh tiff flattery joins us this will take a quick break we'll come right back got about 45 minutes left i can't get enough stories uh who knows what direction this will take next but stay right here it's 97-3 the fan flan you got rave reviews coming in via text message via the chat uh you really knocked it out of the park with these stories they were joined by tim flannery here i want to do at the bottom of the hour and final segment let's do a little q&a a few questions if you're in the youtube chat fire away questions uh we got it uh post up on x as well he was leave your questions for flan we were talking about uh earlier off the air uh bunting you know and i've i've you lean into a bit after a while so anytime at the pottery bonds and it's successful my twitter blows up how'd you like to have bunt would see and i'm like look man i i'm not again for the record i'm not against the bunt i'm against my three hole hitter chasing one run in the fifth when he's scorching hot you know but that's the way he plays the game and i understand that that's that mentality that's been that they're working on and they want to do it so much so bad help the team right which inherently is a great thing tell tell everybody the story of the giant about uh Bruce Bocey screaming at you thinking that you're putting these buns on yeah it's 2012 i mean the pitching we had and yeah i use that quote earlier that what quad he said we're going to San Francisco is to be cold when he's going to be two to one yeah um and early in the game in Colorado scooter robe sacrifice bunt like the second inning and Boce is screaming at me and this has happened now like five straight days i looked i go i'm not putting it on and then i told him i go i'd just let you know they had a team meeting without you Boce and they decided that they want the pitchers to have a one run lead because of the amazing pitching that the the giants had so let me get this just the on the record Bruce Bocey one of the greatest managers of all time was not a big fan of the what it's situational there's a time and place for the sacrifice bunt when he's watching his guys go up on their own and lay one down the guys actually came together without Bruce Bocey in the room and said look around and said hey we need to bunt more we need to get a lead let's get a lead and let these cats go out and pitch with it even if it's a one way why didn't those guys think well we're pretty good let's let him pitch with a four run lead by not giving away outs in the fourth inning or second in Colorado in Colorado but i just said hey that's something you got to worry about Boce i don't know i mean these guys are button i i'm not telling him this you know i mean they had a meeting without you and this is what they want to do it's unreal and Boce has always been that with a player's manager he'll he'll let the guy he'll let you give him his mutton enough roles until he has to stop it but uh it worked out that's so so funny how how much i know it's different it was different when you coached and certainly different when you played how involved do you is your perception of how involved is the big league manager these days as it pertains to things like that and the bunt the hit and run obviously i think the manager probably puts most hit and runs on but the steel you know things like that because we we have seen some goofy bass running at times when your team is is struggling maybe to score runs you do find guys trying to stretch a little bit they're trying to make something happen which again inherently is a good thing but a baseball player left to his own devices flan is not always the best recipe for success well yeah not not all of them know what their strength is right and at the big league level because they get here sometimes uh quick uh but you know your team identity will and your pitch in when you're pitching and playing defense and i always bring back the pod race 2010 team that was a scariest team because they pitched they would they would beat you two to one yeah we beat them at the last day of the season but uh that's how your we were you know you pitched you played defense uh you got to know what your strengths are as a ball club and boat was great at it you know but he was never a guy that wanted to play small ball early uh but it was different then you know once they brought nine professional hitters together and there was no eight hitter no pitcher uh but we we he mentioned it to me just a few weeks ago that our our i took it i was the bunt doctor i have a i have a little bubblegum card where i'm doing a bunch right and if a guy screwed up uh i would put that in his locker and say you have an appointment with the bunt doctor tomorrow i said you go to a lawyer you get a card from a lawyer you go from that i go here's my card i'm a bunt doctor and you know you're killing me you got to go down i'm getting beat up you know because boats would that's the he would he was rushing for that crush the when he the rare occasion he would call a bunt and they didn't get it down then it was your ass oh yeah all the time why do we do it why do we do it and when he did call me to come back up to San Francisco he goes hey uh i'm not yelling at my coaches anymore i go bull that's baloney i go but i've had a few years i've had a few years off so i'm ready for it that's amazing yeah and after we won the third one i go i'm out of here i'm done i'm done for you watching him win another one in texas were you surprised he went back i was surprised but i got a text message around christmas before he went he said hey i see that your band's just killing it you're playing you're doing great he goes man did you see those playoff games i missed those games i missed that feeling i just texted him back on my flip phone i'm very fine coaching from the couch and i am not coming to texas that's amazing and then when i came to fantasy league he even knew i was coming over to do fantasy league i get a text he goes i knew you wanted to work i brought you to texas i go i'm i got five days in me and that is it bros you leave it what he have asked you if you didn't reach out ahead of time saying i'm not doing it would he have tried to get you to go out to texas well i knew the text messages were that that was the opening that's what that was that was the opening that's how we did it the last time as well too you know now all right let's think about this the guy that fired me was he could only bring one coach and and the ownership up there's now tells me they go here he said he has to have you and i go in a crazy that's all but that was our relationship you know i played with him for five years and we were we were running mates uh you know off the field before social media of course and uh boats was just wonderful and he was the a great catcher everybody wanted to pitch to him and you just see all the managers and he has a great knack of of of of the bullpen you saw that he had the worst bullpen in in the league up and then when you get you give him a day when you give him a day off because of media in the playoffs in world series he plugs in a starter he plugs in a couple that you know that yeah he's genius at that they were horrid and i i i they have some good players i guess good young players have had a lot of energy their bullpen is atrocious and i don't think they're gonna go very far right look at them and once they gave him those extra days off yeah and you get that fifth starter then becomes you know and that's what they did well you know we had lidsicum coming out of the bullpen in san francisco you had you know cane a couple times zito pitched in 2012 out of the out of the bullpen those last few games when you know that's that that that's just for managing you only get good at like coach in third by coach in third i told these guys at the break you know i did it 20 years five in the minor leagues and 15 in the big leagues you know the san francisco people saw me the last you know you're the best third base coach ever i go yeah you should have just seen me the first 15 years because you there's no way somebody can tell you i mean i had great teachers jimmy williams joey mall frittano jimmy davenport would take me out and on positioning and uh i just loved it i loved it but you know there's nights that uh perfect example was we had uh pablo on first bay buster on first base nobody out in san francisco pablo hits a ball left centerfield gap that's usually a no brainer i send buster with nobody out he gets thrown out at the plate perfect relay uh bum loses two to nothing i and i went out on television and told the whole world that i lost the game uh i i would terrible mistake on my part and the players saw it and they go they saw what i had to go through it was a birthday night for me or for my daughter and i couldn't even take him out in san francisco because people at that time would have killed you know when we first went up there you know they were yelling go back to san diego oh yeah then we would come to san diego you guys are traitors so we we had nowhere to go you know so it took a while for us to win them over up there but yeah it's it's it's a crazy beautiful game it sure is man uh all right we got one more segment with flan coming up next we'll do some q&a with flan uh certainly but now call now for a pair of tickets to john fogordy at the radie shell september fourth tickets on sale and ticket master dot com call eight three three two eight eight zero nine seven three we'll give them to the uh the fourth caller here on benham woods this morning uh eight three three two eight eight zero nine seven three if you want a pair of tickets to go see john fogordy i bet you're a vogordy fan i do you can't look at him more than a second and a half and that's true he's the you know those bizarre freaky artists yeah my petal steel player dug peta bones a rock star and plays with all these guys he goes yeah he only allows you to look at him but he's like ben yeah he's just like ben do not look the artist in the eye yeah just a second and a half second and a half and then you gotta look away plan is not that way not that way at all all right call now we got one more segment with flan you got any questions throw them up in the chat shoot us a text or a tweet at benham woods we'll get to all those next we'll wrap up the show all right final segment of the day today actually disappointed to see the show coming to an end uh we'll be back with a little q and a with tim flannery right after this quick checker traffic all right so uh last segment uh flan we got a couple questions rolling in a lot of people just wanted to express their their appreciation for you and uh let you know what a great job you did today i've certainly had a blast talking to you as i always do i always feel that my wife makes fun of me because if i see flan somewhere i just be lying towards him i know in the other day at the party she thought that i go no i i was telling her my daughter it went to extremes because she can't just throw a party my daughter's got to have the best party of that was really something else for me and before you were talking and she thought that you were where you no one can wear me out talking the game of baseball or having a good soul like yourself i'd be i walked in and i went oh cool a four-year-old's birthday party right and i said oh there's flan and i just be like i said right next to him i was like all right let's fire it up let's go what are we what are we talking about so good i always appreciate you and and your your love of the game and you've really reminded me being around you the last couple of years you've really reminded me um to remember a few things about baseball and and number one that there is a lot of soul involved in this game it is a very very difficult game it's a very challenging game these players are incredibly human and they are incredibly infallible and you fail so so much it has helped me flan be a better coach be a better dad so i thank you for that all the lessons i just flands a guy you just want to be around you know you just want to be around to pick up your energy and um thanks so much for coming in today and you know you could get a gig last night man you could be sleeping right now sitting out drinking some coffee doing whatever but you came in for us we really appreciate trying to figure out why everybody's up in the middle of the night i know all the reviews have been so good so just so you know you you crushed it and now this is going to be happening more often well just my wife will be the first one to tell you that i'm really good in small doses two hours perfect right that's exactly you know my wife says the same thing about me she says the exact same thing about me um so we had a couple questions Paul get one get the first one from our buddy Hector our boy Hector he says Tim Flannery best non-superstar infielder that you ever coached uh Brandon Crawford up there was a it was just the best all-around player for me he came up as a defender uh learned how to hit uh best bass runner if i said not the fastest but him and Steve Finley were two of the best bass runners ever they always gave you the same no matter i i finally snapped on bonds and not in a bad well i just said look i can't if you're gonna get on second base i can't give give you a mood ring i can't make a decision if you're in a good mood and you feel like running i gotta have you run the same all the time and they always did that that's amazing watching Brandon Crawford play shortstop is uh is staggering i've watched a couple videos of him out of spring training i'm pretty sure you were the one hitting him fun goes but he's doing the he's messing around having fun going between his legs behind his back he's was ungodly great how much work did he put in yeah every day they had great you know ronnie wotus is probably the i i was hitting but ronnie wotus was the coach and and they had these these great as all infielders do you you've got to have a program that you stick to because this is a game of of of going the distance over eight nine months and and your your prep your your schedule your routine is everything to get through a whole season when the season's so long somebody can get pregnant and spring training and have a baby before the season's even over and you forget yeah you don't even read you don't even realize poly any other questions you got over there for flam yeah so you guys are going to be honored the uh eighty four team will be honored on wednesday have we even said what uh this guy's doing on oh yeah so uh you're going to be singing the national anthem of pecko par just you and the guitar me and the guitar i i did it uh four time five times up in san francisco with with philesh and boffy where i wouldn't even have deadhead but when they asked me to sing it i did it in uniform before playoff and world series games because we won every single time and then i'd go coach third and i knew the other club was right next to st louis line because they all lined up on the line and i hear i'm singing with weird and last the anthem and then i'd go coach third and i can just hear these guys saying well that's a different type of third base coach we don't have a third base coach that does that you know uh but i did it a couple times solo as well it's uh you know uh it's it's because my mom used to say i used as a when i was bo your son's age i used to call it the baseball song baseball song it's actually a country song yeah yeah that's exactly right well speaking of 84 uh adam in our youtube chat asks uh the infamous brawl in atlanta in 1984 was that a big catalyst that jump started to run to the playoffs absolutely we were six games up with six weeks left uh we knew that we're as hit alan wiggins with the first pitch on purpose we thought it was more intimidation to try to because they were chasing us um and that was a day that and a fight it's crazy i still am a little sore but sometimes when you wake up and what happened i mean we all got beat up bavok was in the stands beating up the season ticket holders the best i mean it was the craziest day and that they didn't it was like three times and i mean they always show it to the visiting players in atlantis to this day and when the giants came in there and they saw what was going on and and they were watching this video they go you know after about the six seventh time trying they go didn't anybody give any warnings right i go yeah we yelled out look out the craziest the craziest part of that to me is the fact that who was the atlanta skipper at the door was a joe tour story how much did they hate past while president they send him to the plate four times four they hated him so much that they're like no go ahead like you got us into this mess you're gonna get yours too which is insane to think about in today's day and age of protect coddle sure yeah i mean look i got a 20 million dollar your player you damn right i'm gonna coddle him that's my investment pat back then it was like no bro you hit wiggins you're gonna get yours they left him in the game to get dotted and we couldn't you we couldn't get him you know and then love where it's got him and then all it was just three times four times a bench is empty they didn't finish the game until they took everybody back up into the old atlanta clubhouse and it's like you know the f-troop or the fort the big forts when the indians were attacking they would put that big old piece of wood in the middle that they locked this in before they played the game finished the game you know when i got beat up and fine five hundred dollars just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time i actually showed bow that video because i you know i i tell bow i'm like that's that's didn't flattery bro jesse jesse's grandfather is a legend he's a legend he's a big leaguer and he's like he was a padre like he just isn't registered and i'm like hang on watch this fight and i'm like look there he is there he is and it's funny because you resembled at that time my late father-in-law lord nam karo yes and uh they're like the same blonde hair and then you know a little little area on top yeah we we would be around town and people would come up to me and they would come up to him and and mistake i said i had a lot i wish i had a dollar for every time somebody says hey what's what's the weather gonna be like today or lord then why'd you send him last night right why why didn't you get the last ball last night yeah i have a lot of stories about laurin he was a wonderful man uh just uh the best human i think i've ever come across and we it's kind of like our lives were so parallel we would run into each other at two o'clock in the morning in arizona it's so coming out of the bathroom and there he is and uh just a spectacular spectacular guy well now for it to come there's full circle as it has it's it's it's it's not lost on me certainly uh excuse me getting a chance to coach uh your incredible incredible grandson jesse was uh hanging with him over the weekend and you know he's talking to his dad Travis your son-in-law and he's like he needs to be around more boys he's surrounded by girls he's surrounded he needs to be boys jesse is uh he's three feet tall he's my lead-off hitter and is the most tenacious fiercest kid i can't wait to coach him next year and see what he turns into as well and it's just been it's been awesome man it's been awesome if you can get somebody and you've done that with jesse because i i'm not the guy that wants to to do that yeah which makes sense yeah i want to just protect him if anything just so they get the love of the game and when you can love the game so much then it practices nothing you take a hundred ground balls every day because you love it you hit all day because you love it you you you be in the you know well we signed in 1979 or 1976 no since 78 1978 for you know 500s a month we were riding 20-hour bus rides in the texas league you know six dollars a day to eat on nobody got into the game because there was money we we did and i remember my father-in-law don my wife's dad i got so mad at him but now i look back i couldn't but he said he can't make a living playing baseball and he was right back then you know and i still can't believe you let me marry that one the woman yeah no no question about it i mean obviously the game has changed tremendously but i love thinking i love about you is that you still love the game you love it and love to watch the game and obviously i think everybody wanted to know kind of your opinions before we go we got a few minutes left about this this pottery's team this year it's um i'm of the opinion and i've been wrong many times before but i'm of the opinion that you know this team deserves a shot they really do they deserve a shot and they don't have the pieces necessarily yet well that was one of the questions that we did get about the current pod race team you said you're watching every night you know what it takes three times it's a world series because do you think this team has what it takes to get to october to make a run it's starting to be it's starting it's being built i'm watching it become together and and what you you're not going to score when you get to those playoffs and world series and stuff you're not going to have 10 runs going on so you've got to be able to pitch you got to play defense you've got to do the things that they're doing they're even overdoing it because they they see it worked you've got to be able to move runners because you're going to be facing the best pitching in the game those last few few games you you've got to be able to do the little things and the game i said it earlier is so sacred and i did as a coach as a manager if you get somebody to actually say i'm gonna now look for a pitch to move a runner from second base to third with nobody out usually the game honors you you not only get the guy over you get a base hit and i remember fans down here before i went off on them on twitter and i don't apologize and and and what they would say you what do you mean we are only hope is for productive outs i said you get 27 outs you might as well make them your friends yeah you have to and and that's the the thing that this ability that they've shown at times to string four five six seven hits together look and when you get to the big games in october you also got to have to have a guy that can hit the ball out of the ballpark because sometimes it's really hard to do strength six or seven hits together against the world's best pitching on the biggest stage that said they have that ability they do have guys that are hitting the ball out of the ballpark as well they're rounding into form they just don't they they're they're lacking a little bit which is okay it's it's early july they're still time to fix it i do think this team deserves a shot at it this year when you get down there and hopefully they'll get a little help whatever help they need you know find the right chemistry as well as the player massively and when you get in those playoffs and you see that you're knocking on the door and you start seeing the door open up it's almost like you want to get on your knees and and and just thank whoever's in charge here that they feel that you honor the game you've prepared yourself well enough for these things to happen we we never say you know it was all it was oh my god we did it door here because doors opening up it's our turn and when that starts happening collectively uh there's no stopping you i love it man tim flannery thank you so much for coming in today we had such a blast thanks again come on out to petko park on wednesday they're gonna be honoring the eighty four team kick terry kennedy in the shin for me uh please hey i traded for you i know you did that's why i love you he said he we call him Oscar the grout he was always grout he is grout he is dude ever flan he crushed it today thanks so much we'll be back tomorrow thanks bollie benny he's got to follow that well you guys do it every day tomorrow good luck i'm good in small doses out of boy thanks so much we'll be back tomorrow bed and woods 97th and have a great day everybody all right one hour to go here on bed and woods this morning having an absolute blast in here talking baseball with tim flannery joins a program today with ben being out he'll be back tomorrow i could do this honestly for another couple hours it's so much fun today is flown by but you were just telling the story about the hofman family who obviously is very beloved here in san diego and glenn third base coach for a long long time and and uh so you guys had a little rivalry on and off the field in a very special way because we grew up in the same area of banana heim and even uh you know trevor was just a little a little a little brat he was like eight or nine or whatever when glenn was in was in high school and glenn was a great basketball player number one pick of the red socks and uh i found his bat when you get a bat contract when you get to the big leagues or when you sign in your top pick and you get all of a sudden you got a bat with your you louisville slager with your autograph on it and then go wow this is something well i found one of his and adana's house so i took it down to home run park and hit for about eight hours putting quarters in shattered it it was all and i took it back to don i go here's your boyfriend's bat and i used to tell this to the players when glenn would go out the third i would yell out just enough so our players could hear not glenn i go i stole your woman and i'm coming after your signs just my favorite it is just my favorite when i said earlier that everybody had a camera on everybody to steal the signs and i'll tell you why we knew that because we would do this propaganda warfare thing where glenn would put like if they had a hit and run sign on that he would put a hit and run they're hit and run sign on but then put mine on top of it and i'm looking like a wait a minute they got mine that's my that's my that's my that's my sign you know and you realize that when you when you find that i remember the cubs and spring training we had people listen we had people walking around they had a camera on me every night so as easy as my signs were i always had something if i started with it nothing ever is on and nobody's going to think just because i end on the belt and i go bah bah bah that means bah but that's the major league you've got look you can speak six languages and you can be the most intelligent man in the world but if you can't communicate you're not doing your job that's exactly right the art of third base coaching is is amazing i you know the the thought of going out there and and i asked you at the break you know what were you more nervous to do were you more nervous to play all right plan you're in the lineup today leading off playing second base against the reds and uh or all right plan it's you know game six of the world series and uh get out there and steal us a run or two if you can i can't even imagine either of them honestly but um you know players once you're in the game you're in the game yeah you're in it and yeah once you see the first pitch all right time to time to party when your coaching is a little bit different i get so nervous watching my son play and coaching my son i just ring my hands so i mean these are your guys you come up with them they're spring training you teach them you coach them you shoulder to cry on all of it every counselor marriage counselor everything and then you know you've got you've got to make sure you guys win that ball game and you're a huge part of it over there third it's to me was one of the most look it's not for if you line up nine coaches and say who wants to coach third eight guys are stepping back yeah it can get vicious over there and you can get run out of town and have to move and all sorts of stuff i mean it because people don't understand it but if you can get your players to to think alike like you and what you're thinking about it's a lot easier again up there you got to know your team you got to know who you know who's hot you got to know the arms and who can run but we also had the eighth hitter in a pitcher and it was it was time well you would gamble down there because they're going to walk everybody to get to the pitcher and a rally back then with the pitcher and it's usually a three that's a big rally and now with everybody with professional hitters a rally could go on forever and it's maybe even a little easier where you can just hold guys and say hey you got professional hitters coming up let them let them go but when i went first of all i did five years coaching third in the minor leagues when you're managing in the minor leagues you're coaching third and that's how you learn to coach third because you'll realize well i should have sent i should have i got to put the contact play on or i should have jammed him because other managers are not going to let this guy hit so you learn all of that and you make all the crazy mistakes and then you know i did seven years here in San Diego coaching third and look it's it's there's no easy way to do it and then i did eight up there but i love it it was like playing every day for for me you know and and uh yeah you got you were way into it i mean you're one of the most demonstrative well-known you know uh uh best in the business type third base coaches i went to San Francisco and i left everything i mean i left to sandy i left i was waking up in somebody's house i was renting on a floor with no furniture in the fog the first few years i'm going what did i do what am i doing and then it started happening with the young players coming up but i would always take them we had a day on spring training that i would get them all together and walk from base to base to base and explain what i'm thinking and what the what we're trying to do here but you i usually get them together and said you know you guys i've watched you lift weights all winter long and run the stadiums and um get strong and now you come to spring training and i hear you hitting down in those cages i hear you're hitting early in the morning and you're hitting soft toss all of that to get on base now these defenders i'm watching the pitchers or watch they're working out all winter and they're looking at videos as you as a hitter they're doing everything they can to keep you off base and now there's eight guys with gloves and a guy with a mitt and they're taking a hundred ground balls a day fly balls every day to keep you from getting on base so being on base must be pretty important that's how it would start yeah and nobody because nobody wants to go out and do base running drills ever that's how you win yeah you want ground balls you want to hit you want soft toss absolutely it's the margins and what i really love about mike shilt not to mention he's a great baseball man he's a great baseball man and what he did what he did in st louis before he didn't get along with the the metric man or whoever up there uh it's just wonderful that he came here to san diego uh but what he did this year at spring training because you can see it even though they might be buttoned sometimes on their own at the wrong time when you want them to hit uh you can you can teach that later because he addressed situational hitting he addressed it every time you come up there's a situation that you have to perform in and the pitcher knows what you're trying to do so he's not going to give you the pitch to do it and you can just see how disciplined they are and how they're moving runners and i remember i would always say on you know twitter which of you know back when i had my twitter rant and i'm still not gonna apologize only i apologize for that as i didn't i was so mad i didn't spell trader right somebody got you for you yeah and but i was just learning about the internet that's a whole another gem we have a little just got an iphone by the way i i i've had a flip phone like six weeks i was josey wells of the flip phone yeah 100 percent it was a g yesterday lit up blue yeah is that green yeah i'm suffering iphone but you know i'm only going to apologize anymore for getting fired getting run out of town and winning three world championships and that was what my point was but you know what mike mike is doing here is just fantastic you know shilty at all i we know each other i i didn't ever worked with him i was you know in different dugouts but uh yeah he's got him he's got him believing and the players once they see it they all become now one tangible thing that they know how to move runners they know how to get guys in and now this is really weird because i believe the game is so sacred i believe in and you'll hear me say it and people don't want to hear it but i could i said it in a all-star game when heath bell came running in and it's it arizona and and did a pop-up slide yeah i didn't know i said it out loud i just said there's two kinds of players the humble one and the one about to become that and joey vato look turned around looks at me goes where did you learn that and i took my hat off i go a bro i didn't just show up looking like this i earned this yeah i mean and this team is fun to watch and i think because they are one unit and that's how you win and in san francisco we weren't always the best team talent wise we were the strongest team together rather than our individual part talking to ten flatter here i'm gonna woods this morning this is such good stuff land i wanted to ask you about those those teams because you guys went through the weird even year giant success and and you know one time is oh that's that's weird that that happened twice three times is is wild it's wild so when you guys were going through that i mean you won it in ten didn't make the playoffs at eleven is that right walk us through the what you guys were feeling the world series hangover clearly is a real thing for you guys you start those next seasons on those even years you're like oh you know last year was rough but it's an even year but there would always be so much hoopla uh you know and i finally got and i got tired of it kyberg told me to zip it up there because i i dropped the the gladiator line the time for honoring ourselves is soon coming to an end right you know but this ball club uh that ball club and and what the key is and i think i've seen i'm seeing it here is you get guys that have been veterans like a marco scooter or or a hunter pence who who didn't have never won and when they get a chance to win they get it and and they become better people and better players together and there's nothing like the brotherhood that you have and you come in and you know that you're the world champions and you know they're going to shoot for you uh but it was always always always just a and it's the characters that they had up there in the and the great pitch and i mean the pitch was unreal pitch and was unreal and that's this team if you can get at the trade deadline you get you definitely always need i always thank you win championships with bench and bullpen tony kubeck told me that a hundred years ago and i still watched it over the years you've got to get pitch in because you got minimum you got fourteen hundred innings you got to eat and somebody's got to eat them but when if you can get guys that have had really careers but never had a chance to win when they get a part of that and that's what brian sabian did up there he would get guys uh for the at the trade deadline that really made a difference and wanted to win and it just was a combination thing the the back and forth though had to make you insane and boach insane win one down win again down rosters didn't change the time all the core players were still there yeah just it was it just the hangover the grind of a 162 plus all those games and that the what it just watching pottery games in june takes a lot out of you as a fan on my blood pressures up you know i'm pasting the house i'm snacking like crazy because this team's making me insane i can't even imagine you know being a player or a coach through that i think brian sabian son uh walked through after i i would always run when i i would go up to my locker i needed some a moment of silence and thank thank the creator for this allowing it but uh brian sabian son walked through and he sees his dad just weeping and i'm i'd be puking i'd be vomiting because it just it was emotional and you wouldn't know how heavy it was until after the fact you know i remember his son said i had no idea the magnitude of it you know it's special it really is it's something that i really would love to see i would love to see this club this club this club look i didn't i i don't like individual stars them because it doesn't work you know and and that's just it's not basketball you know honestly and it's you're right and i i'm i like i like good players i like great players um i like i like guys that are are entertainers too i think the entertainment part of the game is great but this team certainly feels different than last year's team and the year before it looks different it looks different and from the as a fan while i'm proud of them i'm and and shilt and the coaches the staff and and timmy leeper's a good third base coach he was a a great first base coach for a lot of years and and and went over there he's doing and and you've got to make decisions and when i went to san francisco i said i'm going there to win or go home i'm not going to live on a guy's floor in a fog if we're not you know so i was making decisions i thought we're it was chancy at times but look anybody and the i remember the first month i was there one of the owners peter and mcgowan and i rest in peace he was a beautiful man but we were in a banquet i went to the bathroom he goes well you got another guy thrown out today oh no and i had a couple glasses of wine at the time when i was drinking thank god i've stopped that but i earned it i earned it and i looked at him i go peter if you wanted safety first you should have hired a school crossing guard oh my god man i can't even imagine and timmy leeper made a and and you're gonna make the right decision and still get booed out of the ballparks and things like that but when you know you've made the right decision and i would make my decisions on if i could sleep i want to be able to sleep at night and and lee made one in at the la that i i would have sent him because there was a you know the the left feeler out feeler's arm was like a 40 which is below average uh short stop made a great pick made a perfect go you also got the runner anytime the ball's down the left field line you got a runner running in the baseline so you got to bring that into it so uh once in a while you got to tip your hat to the guys that made a great cut-off play but you're not guaranteed just because you hold guys that third that they're going to score 100 percent i mean it's it's i tend to kind of err on the side of of aggression to be aggressive make them make plays uh tim flannery joins us we'll take a quick break we'll come right back got about 45 minutes left i can't get enough stories uh who knows what direction this will take next but stay right here it's 97-3 the fan flan you got rave reviews coming in via text message via the chat uh you really knocked it out of the park with these stories they were joined by tim flannery here i want to do with the bottom of the arm final segment let's do a little Q&A a few questions if you're in the youtube chat fire away questions uh we got it uh post up on x as well he was leaving your questions for flan we were talking about uh earlier off the air uh bunting you know and i i've you lean into a bit after a while so anytime at the pottery bonds and it's successful my twitter blows up how'd you look to up bunt woodsy and i'm like look man i i'm not again for the record i'm not against the bunt i'm against my three hole hitter chasing one run in the fifth when he's scorching hot you know but that's the way he plays the game and i understand that's that mentality that's been that they're working on and they want to do it so much so bad to help the team absolutely which inherently is a great thing tell tell everybody the story of the giants about uh Bruce Bocey screaming at you thinking that you're putting these bunts on yeah it's 2012 i mean the pitching we had and yeah i used that quote earlier that what quad he said we're going to san francisco's would be cold when he's gonna be two to one yeah uh and early in the game in calorado sprittero sacrifice bunt like the second inning and Boce is screaming at me and this has happened now like five straight days i looked i go i'm not putting it on and then i told him i go i just let you know they had a team meeting without you Bo it's unreal and they decided that they want the pitchers to have a one run lead because of the amazing pitching that the the giants had so let me get this just the on the record bruce bocey one of the greatest managers of all time was not a big fan of the what it's situational there's a time and place for the sacrifice bunt when he's watching his guys go up on their own and lay one down the guys actually came together without burst bocey in the room and looked around and said hey we need to bunt more we need to get a lead let's get a lead and let these cats go out and pitch with it even if it's a warning why didn't those guys think well we're pretty good let's let him pitch with a four run lead by not giving away outs in the fourth inning or second in calorado in calorado but i just said hey that's something you got to worry about Boce i don't know i mean these guys are button i i'm not telling them this i mean they had a meeting without you and this is what they want to do it's unreal and Boce has always been that with a player's manager he'll he'll let the guy he'll let you give him his mutton enough roll of himself he has to stop it but uh it worked out that's so so funny how how much i know it's different it was different when you coached and certainly different when you played how involved do you is your perception of how involved is the big league manager these days as it pertains to things like that and the bunt the hit and run obviously i think the manager probably puts most hit and runs on but the steel you know things like that because we we have seen some goofy bass running at times when your team is is struggling maybe to score runs you do find guys trying to stretch a little bit they're trying to make something happen which again inherently is a good thing but a baseball player left to his own devices flan is not always the best recipe for success well something yeah not not all of them know what their strength is right and at the big league level because they get here sometimes uh quick uh but you know your team identity will and you're pitching when you're pitching and playing defense and i always bring back the padre's 2010 team that was a scariest team because they pitched they would they would beat you two to one yeah we beat him at the last day of the season but uh that's how your we were you know you pitched you played defense uh you got to know what your strengths are as a ball club and Boach was great at it you know but he was never a guy that wanted to play small ball early uh but it was different then you know once they brought nine professional hitters together and there was no eight hitter no pitcher uh but we we he mentioned it to me just a few weeks ago that our our i took it i was the bunt doctor i have a i have a little bubblegum card where i'm doing a bunt right and if a guy screwed up uh i would put that in his locker and say you have an appointment with the bunt doctor tomorrow i said you go to a lawyer you get a card from a lawyer you go from the i go here's my card i'm a bunt doctor and you know you're killing me you got to go down and i'm getting beat up you know because Boach would that's the he would he would crush you for that when he the rare occasion he would call a button they didn't get it down then it was your ass oh yeah all the time why do we do it why do we do it and when he did call me to come back up to San Francisco he goes hey uh i'm not yelling at my coaches anymore i go bull that's baloney i go but i've had a few years i've had a few years off so i'm ready for it that's amazing yeah that's after we won the third one i go i'm out of here i'm done i'm done for you watching him win another one in texas were you surprised he went back i was surprised but i got a text message around christmas before he went he said hey i see that your band's just killing it you're playing you're doing great he goes man did you see those playoff games i missed those games i missed that feeling i just texted him back on my flip phone i'm very fine coaching from the couch and i am not coming to texas that's amazing and then when i came to fantasy league he even knew i was coming over to do fantasy league i get a texas he goes i knew you wanted to work i brought you to texas i go i'm i got five days in me and that is it Boach you leave it what he have asked you if you didn't reach out ahead of time saying i'm not doing it would he have tried to get you to go out to texas well i knew that texas just were that that was the opening what that was that was the opening that's how we did it the last time as well too you know now all right let's talk about this the guy that fired me was he could only bring one coach and and the ownership up there's now tells me they go he he said he has to have you and i go in a crazy that's all but that was our relationship you know i played with him for five years and we were we were running mates uh you know off the field before social media of course and uh Boach was just wonderful and he was a a great catcher everybody wanted to pitch to him and you just see all the managers and he has the great knack of of of the bullpen you saw that he had the worst bullpen in in the league up and then when you yes you give him a day when you give him a day off because of media in the playoffs in world series he plugs in a starter he plugs in a couple that you know that yeah he's genius at that they were horrid and i i i they have some good players against good young players have had a lot of energy their bullpen is atrocious and i don't think they're gonna go very far look at them and then once they gave him those extra days off yeah and you get that fifth starter then becomes you know you're that's what they did well you know we had lidsicum coming out of the bullpen in san francisco you had you know cane a couple times zito pitched in 2012 out of the out of the bullpen those last few games when you know that's that that that's just for managing you only get good at like coach in third by coach in third i told these guys at the break you know i did it 20 years five in the minor leagues and 15 in the big leagues you know the san francisco people saw me the last you know you're the best third base coach ever i go yeah you should just see me the first 15 years because you there's no way somebody can tell you i mean i had great teachers jimmy williams joey mall frittano jimmy davaport would would take me out and on positioning and uh i just loved it i loved it but you know there's nights that uh perfect example was we had uh pablo on first bay buster on first base nobody out in san francisco pablo hits a ball left center field gap that's usually a no-brainer i send buster with nobody out he gets thrown out at the plate perfect relay uh bum loses two to nothing i and i went out on television and told the whole world that i lost the game um i i would terrible mistake on my part and the players saw and they go they saw what i had to go through it was a birthday night for me or for my daughter and i couldn't even take him out in san francisco because people at that time would have killed you you know when we first went up there you know they were yelling go back to san diego you know then we would come to san diego you guys are traitors so we we had nowhere to go you know so it took a while for us to win them over up there but yeah it's it's it's a crazy beautiful game it sure is man uh all right we got one more segment with flan uh coming up next we'll do some q and a with flan uh certainly but now call now for a pair of tickets to john phogridi at the rady shell september fourth tickets on sale and ticket master dot com call eight three three two eight eight zero nine seven three we'll give them to the uh the fourth caller here on benham woods this morning uh eight three three two eight zero nine seven three if you want a pair of tickets to go see john phogridi i bet you're a phogridi fan i do you can't look at him more than a second and a half and that's true he's the you know those bizarre freaky artists yeah my petal steel player dug peta bones a rock star and plays with all these guys he goes yeah he only allows you to look at him for those he's like ben yeah he's just like ben do not look the artist in the eye yeah just a second half second half and then you gotta look away plan is not that way not that way at all all right call now we got one more segment with flan you got any questions throw them up in the chat shoot us a text or a tweet at benham woods we'll get to all those next we'll wrap up the show all right final segment of the day today actually disappointed to see the show coming to an end uh we'll be back with a little q and a with tim flannery right after this quick check of traffic all right so uh last segment uh flan we got a couple questions rolling in a lot of people just wanted to express their their appreciation for you and uh let you know what a great job you did today i've certainly had a blast talking to you as i always do i always feel that my wife makes fun of me because if i see flan somewhere i just beeline towards them and i mean the other day at the party she thought that i go no i i was telling her my daughter it went to extremes because she can't just throw a party my daughter's got to have the best party that was really something else for a four year old talking and she thought that you were where you no one can wear me out talking the game of baseball or having a good soul like yourself i'd be i walked in and i went oh cool a four year old's birthday party right and i said oh there's flan and i just beeline i sat right next to him i was like all right let's fire it up let's go what are we what are we talking about so good i always appreciate you and and your your love of the game and you've really reminded me being around you the last couple of years you've really reminded me um to remember a few things about baseball and and number one that there is a lot of soul involved in this game it is a very very difficult game it's a very challenging game these players are incredibly human and they are incredibly infallible and you fail so so much it has helped me flan be a better coach be a better dad so i thank you for that all the lessons i just flan's a guy you just want to be around you know you just want to be around to pick up your energy and um thanks so much for coming in today and you know you could get a gig last night man you could be sleeping right now sitting out drinking some coffee doing whatever but you came in for us we really appreciate trying to figure out why everybody's up in the middle of the night it's darkly i'm a musician i know all all the reviews have been so good so just so you know you you crushed it and now this is going to be happening more often well just my wife will be the first one to tell you that i'm really good in small doses two hours perfect right that's exactly you know my wife says the same thing about me she says the exact same thing about me um so we had a couple questions Pauli get one now get the first one from our buddy Hector our boy Hector he uh says Tim Flannery best non superstar infielder that you ever coached uh Brandon Crawford up there was a it was just the best all-around player for me he came up as a defender uh learned how to hit uh best bass runner if i said not the fastest but him and Steve Finley were two of the best bass runners ever they always gave you the same no matter i finally snapped on bonds and not in a bad well i just said look i can't if you're gonna get on second base i can't give give you a mood ring i can't make a decision if you're in a good mood and you feel like running i gotta have you run the same all the time and they always did that that's amazing watching Brandon Crawford play shortstop is uh is staggering i've watched a couple videos of him out of spring training i'm pretty sure you were the one hitting him fun goes but he's doing the he's messing around having fun going between his legs behind his back he's was ungodly good how much work did he put in you know every day they had great you know ronnie woders is probably i was hitting but ronnie woders was the coach and and and they had these these great as all infielders do you you've got to have a program that you stick to because this is a game of of of going the distance over eight nine months and and your your your prep your your schedule your routine uh is everything to get through a whole season when the season so long somebody can get pregnant in spring training and have a baby before the seasons even over and you forget yeah you don't even read you don't even realize uh poly any other questions you got over there for flam yeah so you guys are gonna be honored the uh eighty fourteen will be honored on wednesday have we even said what uh this guy's doing on oh yeah so uh you're gonna be singing the national anthem of pecco porn just you and the guitar me and the guitar i i did it uh four times five times up in san francisco with with phil leche and boffy where i wouldn't even have deadhead but when they asked me to sing it i did it in uniform before playoff and world series games because we won every single time and then i'd go coach third and i knew the other club was right next to st louis line because they all lined up on the line and i hear i'm singing with weird and last the anthem and then i'd go coach third and i can just hear these guys say well that's a different type of third base coach we don't have a third base coach that does that yeah you know uh but i did it a couple times solo as well it's uh you know uh it's uh it's it's because my mom used to say i used as a when i was both your son's age i used to call it the baseball song baseball song it's actually a country song yeah that's exactly right well speaking of eighty four uh adam in our youtube chat asks uh the infamous brawl in atlanta in nineteen eighty four was that a big catalyst that jump started to run to the playoffs absolutely we were six games up with six weeks left uh we knew that we're as hit alan wiggins with the first pitch on purpose we thought it was more intimidation to try to because they were chasing us um and that was a day that and a fight and i i it's crazy i still am a little sore but sometimes when you wake up and what happened i mean we all got beat up bivok was in the stands beating up the season ticket holders the best i mean it was the craziest day and that they didn't it was like three times and i mean they always show it to the visiting players in atlantis to this day yeah and when the giants came in there and they saw what was going on and and they were watching this video they go you know after about the six seventh time trying they go didn't anybody give any warnings right i go yeah we yelled out look out the craziest the craziest part of that to me is the fact that who was the atlanta skipper at the tour was a joe tour tour how much did they hate past while president they sent him to the plate four times four they hated him so much that they're like now go ahead like you got us into this mess you're gonna get yours too which is insane to think about in today's day and age of protect coddle sure yeah i mean look i got a 20 million dollar your player you damn right i'm gonna coddle that's my investment pat back then it was like no bro you hit wiggens you're gonna get yours they left him in the game to get dotted and we couldn't get we couldn't get him get it and then love for it's got him um and then all it was just three times four times a bench is empty they didn't finish the game until they took everybody back up into the old atlanta clubhouse and it's like you know the f-troop or the fort the big forts when the indians were attacking they would put that big old piece of wood in the middle that they locked this in before they played the game finished the game you know when i got beat up and fined five hundred dollars just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time i actually showed bow that video because i you know i i tell bow i'm like that's that's tifflinery bro jessie's great jessie's grandfather is a legend he's a legend he's a big leaguer and he's like he was a padre like he just isn't registered i go like hang on watch this fight and i'm like look there he is there he is and it's funny because you resembled at that time my late father-in-law lord namcaro yes and uh they're like the same blonde hair and then you know little little area on top yeah we would we would be around town and people would come up to me and they would come up to him and and mistake i said i had a lot i wish i had a dollar for every time somebody says hey what's what's the weather gonna be like today or lord then why'd you send him last night right what why didn't you get the last ball last night yeah i have a lot of stories about laurin he was a wonderful man uh just the the best human i think i've ever come across and we it's kind of like our lives were so parallel we would run into each other at two o'clock in the morning in arizona it's so coming out of the bathroom and there he is and uh just a spectacular spectacular guy well now for it to come there's full circle as it has it's it's it's it's not lost on me certainly uh excuse me getting a chance to coach uh your incredible incredible grandson jesse was uh hanging with him over the weekend and you know he's talking to his dad Travis your son-in-law and he's like he needs to be around more boys he's surrounded by girls he's surrounded he needs to be boys jesse is uh he's three feet tall he's my lead-off hitter and is the most tenacious fiercest kid i can't wait to coach him next year and see what he turns into as well and it's just been it's been awesome man it's been awesome if you can get somebody and you've done that with jesse because i i'm not the guy that wants to to do that yeah which makes sense yeah i want to just protect him if anything just so they get the love of the game and when you can love the game so much then it practices nothing you take a hundred ground balls every day because you love it you hit all day because you love it you you you you be in the you know well we signed in 1979 or 1976 no since 78 1978 for you know 500s a month we were riding 20 hour bus rides in the texas league you know six dollars a day to eat on nobody got into the game because there was money we we did and i remember my father-in-law don my wife's dad i got so mad at him but now i look back i couldn't but he said he can't make a living plane baseball and he was right back then you know and i still can't believe you let me marry that one the woman yeah no no question about it i mean obviously the game has changed tremendously uh but i i love thing i love about you is that you still love the game and love to watch the game and obviously i think everybody wanted to know kind of your opinions before we go we got a few minutes left about this this pod race team this year i it's i'm of the opinion and i've been wrong many times before but i'm of the opinion that you know this team deserves a shot they really do they deserve a shot and they don't have the pieces necessarily yet well that was one of the questions that we did get about the current pod race team you said you're watching every night you know what it takes three times to get to a world series because do you think this team has what it takes to get to october to make a run it's starting to be it's starting it's being built i'm watching it become together and and what you you're not going to score when you get to those playoffs and world series and stuff you're not going to have ten runs going up so you've got to be able to pitch you got to play defense you've got to do the things that they're doing they're even overdoing it because they they see it worked you've got to be able to move runners uh because you're going to be facing the best pitching in the game those last few few games you you've got to be able to do the little things and the game i said it earlier is so sacred and i did as a coach as a manager if you get somebody to actually say i'm gonna now look for a pitch to move a runner from second base to third with nobody out usually the game honors you you not only get the guy over you get a base hit and i remember fans down here before i went off on them on twitter uh and i don't apologize and and what they would say you what do you mean we are only hope is for productive outs i said you get 27 outs you might as well make them your friends yeah you have to and and that's the thing that this ability that they've shown at times uh to string four five six seven hits together look in in when you get to the the big games in october you also got to have to have a guy that can hit the ball out of the ballpark because sometimes it's really hard to do strength six or seven hits together against the world's best pitching on the biggest stage that said they have that ability they do have guys that are hitting the ball out of the ballpark as well they're rounding into form they just don't they they're they're lacking a little bit which is okay it's it's early july they're still time to fix it i do think this team deserves a shot at it this year when you get down there and hopefully they'll get a little help whatever help they need you know find the right chemistry as well as the player massively and when you get in those playoffs and you see the you're knocking on the door and you start seeing the door open up it's almost like you want to get on your knees and and and and just thank whoever's in charge here that they feel that you honor the game you've prepared yourself well enough for these things to happen we we never say you know it was always oh my god we did it during your doors opening up it's our turn and when that starts happening collectively uh there's no stopping you i love it man tim flannery thank you so much for coming in today we had such a blast thanks again come on out to petco park on wednesday they're going to be honoring the 84 team kick uh terry kennedy in the shin for me uh please hey i traded for you i know you did that's why i love he's that uh he we call him oscar the grout he's all he's grout she is grout she is dude ever flan you crushed it today thanks so much we'll be back tomorrow thanks b benny he's got to follow that well you guys do it every day tomorrow good luck i'm good and small doses out of boy thanks so much we'll be back tomorrow bennewoods 97th and have a great day everybody all right final segment of the day today actually disappointed to see the show coming to an end uh we'll be back with the little q&a with tim flannery right after this quick check of traffic all right so uh last segment uh flan we got a couple questions rolling in a lot of people just wanted to express their their appreciation for you and uh let you know what a great job you did today i've certainly had a blast talking to you as i always do i always feel that my wife makes fun of me because if i see flan somewhere i just beeline towards them i know in the other day at the party she thought that i go no i i was telling her my daughter it went to extremes because she can't just throw a party my daughters got to have the best party about really something else for me and she thought that you were where you no one can wear me out talking the game of baseball or having a good soul like yourself i'd be i walked in and i went oh cool a four-year-old's birthday party right and i said oh there's flan and i just beeline i said right next to him i was like all right let's fire it up let's go what are we what are we talking about i'm so good i always appreciate you and and your your love of the game and you've really reminded me being around you last couple years you've really reminded me um to remember a few things about baseball and and number one that there is a lot of soul involved in this game it is a very very difficult game it's a very challenging game these players are incredibly human and they are incredibly infallible and you fail so so much it has helped me flan be a better coach be a better dad so i thank you for that all the lessons i just flan's a guy you just want to be around you know you just want to be around to pick up your energy and um thanks so much for coming in today and you know you could have get a gig last night man you could be sleeping right now sitting out drinking some coffee doing whatever but you came in for us we really appreciate trying to figure out why everybody's up in the middle of the night i'm a musician i know all the reviews have been so good so just so you know you you crushed it and now this is going to be happening more often well just my wife will be the first one to tell you that i'm really good in small doses two hours perfect right that's exactly you know why she has the same thing about me she says the exact same thing about me um so we had a couple questions Pauli get one get the first one from our buddy Hector our boy Hector he uh says Tim Flannery best non superstar infielder that you ever coached uh Brandon Crawford up there was a it was just the best all-around player for me he came up as a defender uh learned how to hit uh best base runner if i said not the fastest but him and Steve Finley were two of the best base runners ever they always gave you the same no matter i i finally snapped on bonds and not in a bad well i just said look i can't if you're gonna get on second base i can't give give you a mood ring i can't make a decision if you're in a good mood and you feel like running i gotta have you run the same all the time and they always did that that's amazing watching Brandon Crawford play shortstop is uh is staggering i've watched a couple videos of him out of spring training i'm pretty sure you were the one hitting him fun goes but he's doing the he's messing around having fun going between his legs behind his back he's was ungodly good how much work did he put in yeah every day they had great you know ronnie woders is probably i was hitting him but ronnie woders was the coach and and they had these these great as all infielders do you you've got to have a program that you stick to because this is a game of of of going the distance over eight nine months and and your your your prep your your schedule your routine uh is everything to get through a whole season when the season so long somebody can get pregnant in spring training and have a baby before the seasons even over and you forget yeah you don't even read you don't even realize poly any other questions you got over there for flam yeah so you guys are going to be honored the uh eighty four team will be honored on wednesday have we even said what uh this guy's doing on oh yeah so uh you're going to be singing the national anthem of pecco porn just you and the guitar me and the guitar i i did it uh four times five times up in san francisco with with phil leche and boffi where i wouldn't even have deadhead but when they asked me to sing it i did it in uniform before playoff and world series games because we won every single time uh and then i'd go coach third and i knew the other club was right next to st louis line because they all lined up on the line and i hear i'm singing with weird and last the anthem and then i'd go coach third and i can just hear these guys saying well that's a different type of third base coach we don't have a third base coach that does that yeah you know uh but i did it a couple times solo as well it's uh you know uh it's it's because my mom used to say i used as a when i was bo your son's age i used to call it the baseball song baseball song it's actually a country song yeah that's exactly right well speaking of eighty four uh adam in our youtube chat asks uh the infamous brawl in atlanta in 1984 was that a big catalyst that jump started to run to the playoffs absolutely we were six games up with six weeks left uh we knew that parez hit alan wiggins with the first pitch on purpose we thought it was more intimidation to try to because they were chasing us uh and that was a day that and a fight and i it's crazy i still am a little sore but sometimes when you wake up and what happened i mean we all got beat up bavok was in the stands beating up the season ticket holders the best i mean it was the craziest day and that they didn't it was like three times and i mean they always show it to the visiting players in atlantis to this day yeah and when the giants came in there and they saw what was going on and and they were watching this video they go you know after about the six seventh time trying they go didn't anybody give any warnings right i go yeah we yelled out look out the craziest the craziest part of that to me is the fact that i who was the atlanta skipper at the door was a joe tour tour how much did they hate pascal president they sent him to the plate four times four they hated him so much that they're like now go ahead like you got us into this mess you're gonna get yours too which is insane to think about in today's day and age of protect coddle sure yeah i mean look i got a 20 million dollar your player you damn right i'm gonna coddle him that's my investment pat back then it was like no bro you hit wiggins you're gonna get yours they left him in the game to get dotted and we couldn't get we couldn't get him get it and then leverage got him and then all it was just three times four times a bench is empty they didn't finish the game until they took everybody back up into the old atlanta clubhouse and it's like you know the f-troop or the fort the big forts when the indens were attacking they would put that big old piece of wood in the middle that they locked this in before they played the game finished the game you know when i got beat up and fined five hundred dollars just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time i actually showed bow that video because i you know i i tell bow i'm like that's that's tifflanary bro jessie's gr-- jessie's grandfather is a legend he's a legend he's a big leader and he's like he was a padre like he just isn't registered and i like hang on watch this fight and i'm like look there he is there he is and it's funny because you resembled at that time my late father-in-law lord nam kara and uh they're like the same blonde hair and then you know little little area on top yeah we would we would be around town and people would come up to me and they would come up to him and and mistake i said i had a lot i wish i had a dollar for every time somebody says hey what's what's the weather gonna be like today or lord then why'd you send him last night right why why didn't you get that last night yeah i have a lot of stories about laurin he was a wonderful man uh just the the best human i think i've ever come across and we it's kind of like our lives were so parallel we would run into each other at two o'clock in the morning in arizona it's so coming out of the bathroom and there he is and uh just a spectacular spectacular guy well now for it to come there's full circle as it has it's it's it's not lost on me certainly uh excuse me getting a chance to coach uh you're incredible incredible grandson jesse was uh hanging with him over the weekend and you know he's talking to his dad Travis your son in law and he's like he needs to be around more boys he's surrounded by girls he's surrounded he needs to be boys jesse is uh he's three feet tall he's my lead-off hitter and is the most tenacious fiercest kid i can't wait to coach him next year and see what he turns into as well and it's just been it's been awesome man it's been awesome if you can get somebody and you've done that with jesse because i i'm not the guy that wants to to do that yeah which makes sense yeah i want to just protect him if anything just so they get the love of the game and when you can love the game so much then practices nothing you take a hundred ground balls every day because you love it you hit all day because you love it you you you you be in the you know we signed in 1979 or 1976 no since 78 1978 for you know 500s a month we were riding 20-hour bus rides in the texas league you know six dollars a day to eat on nobody got into the game because there was money we we did and i remember my father-in-law don my wife's dad i got so mad at him but now i look back i couldn't but he said he can't make a living playing baseball and he was right back then you know and i still can't believe you let me marry that one no woman yeah no no question about i mean obviously the game has changed tremendously but i love thinking i love about you is that you still love the game and love to watch the game and obviously i think everybody wanted to know kind of your opinions before we go we got a few minutes left about this this pardre's team this year i it's i'm of the opinion and i've been wrong many times before but i'm of the opinion that you know this team deserves a shot they really do they deserve a shot and they don't have the pieces necessarily yet well that was one of the questions that we did get about the current pardre's team you said you're watching every night you know what it takes three times to get to a world series because do you think this team has what it takes to get to october to make a run it's starting to be it's starting it's being built i'm watching it become together and and what you you're not going to score when you get to those playoffs and world series and stuff you're not going to have 10 runs going up so you've got to be able to pitch you got to play defense you've got to do the things that they're doing they're even overdoing it because they they see it worked you've got to be able to move runners because you're going to be facing the best pitching in the game those last few few games you you've got to be able to do the little things and the game i said it earlier is so sacred and i did as a coach as a manager if you get somebody to actually say i'm going to now look for a pitch to move a runner from second base to third with nobody out usually the game honors you you not only get the guy over you get a base hit and i remember fans down here before i went off on them on twitter uh and i don't apologize and and uh and and what they would say you what do you mean we are only hope is for productive outs i said you get 27 outs you might as well make them your friends yeah you have to and and that's the the thing that this ability that they've shown at times uh to string four five six seven hits together look and when you get to the the big games in october you also got to have to have a guy that can hit the ball out of the ballpark because sometimes it's really hard to do string six or seven hits together against the world's best pitching on the biggest stage that said they have that ability they do have guys that are hitting the ball out of the ballpark as well they're rounding into form they just don't they they're they're lacking a little bit which is okay it's it's early july they're still time to fix it i do think this team deserves a shot at it this year when you get down there and hopefully they'll get a little help whatever help they need you know find the right chemistry as well as the player massively and when you get in those playoffs and you see that you're knocking on the door and you start seeing the door open up it's almost like you want to get on your knees and and and just thank whoever's in charge here that they feel that you honor the game you've prepared yourself well enough for these things to happen we we never say you know it was always oh my god we did it door here doors opening up it's our turn and when that starts happening collectively uh there's no stopping you i love it man tim flannery thank you so much for coming in today we had such a blast thank you again come on out to petco park on wednesday they're gonna be honoring the eighty four team kick terry kennedy in the shin for me uh please hey i traded for you i know you did that's why i love he said uh he we call him oscar the grout he was always groutiest groutiest dude ever flan he crushed it today thanks so much we'll be back tomorrow thanks bobby benny has got to follow that well you guys do it every day good tomorrow good luck i'm good in small doses out of boy 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