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9am Hour - More With The Great Tim Flannery!

Woodsy and Paul kick off the 9am hour continuing on with our special co-host of the day, Tim Flannery! Listen in as Flan talks about the difficulties of coaching 3rd base in the big leagues, why he was known as "The Bunt Doctor" and we do a little Q&A with Flan to wrap up the show by having him answer some questions submitted by the listeners!

Duration:: 53m
Broadcast on:: 08 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

one hour to go here on Ben Woods this morning having an absolute blast in here talking baseball with Tim Flannery joins a program today with Ben being out. He'll be back tomorrow. I could do this honestly for another couple hours. He's so much fun. Today is flown by but you were just telling the story about the Hoffman family who obviously is very beloved here in San Diego and Glenn third base coach for a long, long time. And so you guys had a little rivalry on and off the field in a very special way because we grew up in the same area up in Anaheim and even, you know, Trevor was just a little, a little brat. He was like eight or nine or whatever when Glenn was a, was in high school and Glenn was a great basketball player number one pick of the Red Sox and I found his bat when you get a bat contract when you get to the big leagues or when you sign in your top pick and you get all of a sudden you got a bat with your Louisville slugger with your autograph on it and then go, wow, this is something well, I found one of his and Donna's house. So I, your wife, I took it down to Homer and Park and hit for about eight hours, putting quarters in, shattered it. It was all. I took it back to Don. I go, here's your boyfriend's back. And I used to tell this to the players when Glenn would go out the third I would yell out just enough so our players could hear it, not Glenn. I go, I stole your woman and I'm coming after your signs. It's just my favorite. It is just my favorite. And when I said earlier that everybody had a camera on everybody to steal the signs and I'll tell you why we knew that because we would do this probably again to warfare thing where Glenn would put like if they had a hit and run sign on that he would put a hit and run, they're hit and run sign on, but then put mine on top of it. And I'm looking, I go, wait a minute. They got mine. That's my, that's my, that's my, that's my sign. You know, and you realize that when you, when you find that I remember the Cubs in spring training, we had people listen, we had people walking around and they had a camera on me every night. So as easy as my signs were, I always had something. If I started with it, nothing ever is on. And nobody's going to think just because I end on the belt and I go, bah, bah, bah. That means, but, but that's the major league. You've got, look, you can speak six languages and you can be the most intelligent man in the world. But if you can't communicate, you're not doing your job. That's exactly right. The art of third base coaching is, is amazing. I, you know, the, the thought of going out there and, and I asked you at the break, you know, what were you more nervous to do? Were you more nervous to play? All right, plan. You're in the lineup today, leading off playing second base against the Reds and, or, all right, plan. It's, you know, game six of the World Series and get out there and steal us a runner too. If you can, I can't even imagine either of them, honestly. But, you know, players, once you're in the game, you're in the game. Yeah, you're in it. And yeah, once you see the first pitch, all right, time to, time to party. When you're coaching is a little bit different. I get so nervous watching my son play and coaching my son. I just ring my hands. So I mean, these are your guys. You come up with them. They're spring training, you teach them, you coach them, you shoulder to cry on all of it. Every counselor, marriage counselor, everything. And then, you know, you've got to, you've got to make sure you guys win that ball game. And you're a huge part of it over there. Third. It's to me was one of the most, look, it's not for it. If you line up nine coaches and say who wants to coach? Third. Eight guys are stepping back. Yeah. It can get vicious over there and you can get run out of town and have to move and all sorts of stuff. I mean, because people don't understand it. But if you can get your players to, to think like, like you and what you're thinking about, it's a lot easier. Again, up there, you got to know your team. You got to know who, you know, who's hot, you got to know the arms and who can run. But we also had the eighth hitter in a pitcher. It was, it was time. You would gamble down there because they're going to walk everybody to get to the pitcher and a rally back then with the pitcher. And it's usually a three. That's a big rally. And now with everybody with professional hitters, a rally could go on forever. And it's maybe even a little easier where you can just hold guys and say, Hey, you got professional hitters coming up. Let them, let them go. But when I went, first of all, I did five years coach and third in the minor leagues when you're managing in the minor leagues, your coach and third. And that's how you learn to coach third because you'll realize, well, I should have sent, I should have, I got to put the contact play on or I should have jammed him because other managers not going to let this guy hit. So you learn all of that and you make all the crazy mistakes. And then, you know, I did seven years here in San Diego, coach and third. And you look, it's, it's, there's no easy way to do it. And then I did eight up there. But I love it. It was like playing every day for, for me, you know, and yeah, you got you were way into it. I mean, you're one of the most demonstrative, well known, you know, best in the business type third base coaches. I went to San Francisco and I left everything. I mean, I left to Sandy. I love him. I was waking up in somebody's house. I was renting on a floor with no furniture in the fog the first few years. I'm going, what did I do? What am I doing? And then it started happening with the young players coming up. But I would always take them. We had a day in spring training that I would get them all together and walk from base to base to base and explain what I'm thinking and what the what we're trying to do here. But you usually get them together and said, you know, you guys, I've watched you lift weights all winter long and run the stadiums and get strong. And now you come to spring training. And I hear you hitting down in those cages. I hear you're hitting early in the morning and you're hitting soft toss. All of that to get on base. Now, these defenders, I'm watching the pitchers or watch their working out all winter and they're looking at videos as you as a hitter. They're they're doing everything they can to keep you off base. And now there's eight guys with gloves and a guy with a mitt and they're taking 100 ground balls a day, fly balls every day to keep you from getting on base. So being on base must be pretty important. That's how it would start. Yeah. And nobody because nobody wants to go out and do base running drills ever. That's how you win. Yeah, you want ground balls, you want to hit, you want soft toss. Absolutely. It's the margins. And what I really love about Mike Schilt, not to mention, he's a great baseball man. He's a great baseball man. And what he's what he did in St. Louis before he didn't get along with the the metric man or whoever up there. It's just wonderful that he came here to San Diego. But what he did this year at spring training because you can see it, even though they might be button sometimes on their own at the wrong time when you want them to hit, you can you can teach that later because he addressed situational hitting. He addressed it every time you come up. There's a situation that you have to perform in. And the pitcher knows what you're trying to do. So he's not going to give you the pitch to do it. And you can just see how disciplined they are and how they're moving runners. And I remember I would always say on, you know, Twitter, which, you know, back when I had my Twitter rant, and I'm still not going to apologize. Only I apologize for that. As I did, I was so mad. I didn't spell traitor, right? Somebody got you for it. Yeah. But I was just learning about the internet. That's a whole another job. We have a little just got an iPhone, by the way, I had a flip phone like six weeks ago. I was Josie Wells of the flip phone. Yeah, 100 percent. It was yesterday and it lit up blue. Yeah. Yeah. I'm something iPhone. But, you know, I'm only going to apologize anymore for getting fired, getting run out of town and winning three world championships. And that was what my point was. But, you know what, Mike, Mike is doing here is just fantastic. You know, she'll see it all? We know each other. I didn't ever worked with him. I was, you know, in different dugouts. But yeah, he's got him. He's got him believing and the players once they see it, they all become now one tangible thing that they know how to move runners. They know how to get guys in. And now this is really weird, because I believe the game is so sacred. I believe and you'll hear me say it and people don't want to hear it. But I could, I said it in an all star game. When Heath Bell came running in in Arizona and did a pop up slide. I didn't know I said it out loud. I just said there's two kinds of players. The humble one and the one about to become that. And Joey Votto looked, turned around, looks at me, goes, where did you learn that? And I took my hat off. I go, a bro, I didn't just show up looking like this. I earned this. Yeah, I mean, and this team is fun to watch. And I think because they are one unit. And that's how you win. And in San Francisco, we weren't always the best team talent wise. We were the strongest team together, rather than our individual part talking to Tim Flannery here. I've been in woods this morning. This is such good stuff, Flan. I wanted to ask you about those those teams, because you guys went through the weird, even year giant success. And, you know, one time is, oh, that's that's weird that that happened twice. Three times is is wild. It's wild. So when you guys were going through that, I mean, you won it in 10. Didn't make the playoffs at 11. Is that right? Walk us through the what you guys were feeling like the world series hangover. Clearly is a real thing for you. You start those next seasons on those even years. You're like, you know, last year was rough. But it's an even year. There would always be so much hoopla. You know, and I finally, and I got tired of it. Kyberg told me to zip it up there because I dropped the gladiator line. The time for honoring ourselves is soon coming to an end. You know, but this ball club, that ball club. And what the key is, and I think I'm seeing it here, is you get guys that have been veterans like a Marco scooter or or a hunter pants who who didn't have never won. And when they get a chance to win, they get it. And they become better people and better players together. And there's nothing like the brotherhood that you have. And you come in and you know that you're the world champions. And you know, they're going to shoot for you. But it was always, always just and it's the characters that they had up there in the great pitch. And I mean, pitch was unreal pitching was unreal. And that's this team. If you can get at the trade deadline, you get you definitely always need. I always think you win championships with bench and bullpen. Tony Kubek told me that 100 years ago and I still watched it over the years. You've got to get pitch in because you got minimum you got 1400 innings. You got to eat and somebody's got to eat them. But when if you can get guys that have had really careers, but never had a chance to win when they get a part of that. And that's what Brian Sabian did up there. He would get guys for the at the trade deadline that really made a difference and wanted to win. And it just was a combination thing. The back and forth though had to make you insane and Boach insane when one down went again down rosters didn't change the time. Yeah, poor players were still there. Yeah, just it was it just the hangover the grind of a 162 plus all those games in the the what it just watching pottery games in June takes a lot out of you as a fan of my blood pressures up. You know, I'm pacing the house. I'm snacking like crazy because this team's making me insane. I can't even imagine, you know, being a player or coach through that. I think Brian Sabian's son walked through after I would always run. Well, I would go up to my locker. I needed some a moment of silence and thank the creator for this allowing it. But Brian Sabian's son walked through and he sees his dad just weeping. And I'm I'd be puking. I'd be vomiting because it just it was emotional and you wouldn't know how heavy it was until after the fact, you know, and I remember his son said I had no idea the magnitude of it. You know, it's special. It really is. It's something that I really would love to see. I would love to see this club. This club. This club. Look, I didn't I don't like individual stars because it doesn't work. You know, and that's just it's not basketball. You know, honestly, and it's you're right. And I'm I like, you know, I like I like good players and like great players. I like I like guys that are entertainers, too. I think the entertainment part of the game is great. But this team certainly feels different than last year's team and the year before. It looks different. It looks different. And from as a fan, I'm proud of them. I'm and shilt and the coaches, the staff and and Timmy Lieber's a good third base coach. He was a great first base coach for a lot of years and went over there. He's doing and you've got to make decisions. And when I went to San Francisco, I said, I'm going there to win or go home. I'm not going to live on a guy's floor in the fog if we're not, you know. So I was I was making decisions. I thought were it was chancey at times. But look, anybody. And the I remember the first month I was there, one of the owners, Peter McGowan, the rest in peace. He was a beautiful man. But we're in a banquet. I went to the bathroom because well, you got another guy thrown out today. Oh, no. And I had a couple glasses of wine at the time when I was drinking. Thank God I've stopped that. But I earned it. I earned it. And I looked at him. I go, Peter, if you wanted safety first, you should have hired a school crossing guard. Oh my God, man. I can't even imagine. And Timmy Lieber made a and you're going to make the right decision and still get booed out of the ball parks and things like that. But when you know you've made the right decision, I would make my decisions on if I could sleep. I want to be able to sleep that night. And and leap made one in LA that I I would have sent him because there was a, you know, the left fielder out fillers arm was like a 40, which is below average. Shortstop made a great pick, made a perfect goal. You also got the runner. Anytime balls down left field line, you got a runner running in the baseline. So you got to bring that into it. So once in a while, you got to tip your hat to the guys that made a great cut off play. But you're not guaranteed just because you hold guys that third that they're going to score 100%. I mean, it's it's I tend to kind of err on the side of aggression to be aggressive, make them make plays. Tim Flannery joins us. We'll take a quick break we'll come right back. Got about 45 minutes left. I can't get enough stories. Who knows what direction this will take next. But stay right here. It's 97 three the fan. plan. You got rave reviews coming in via text message via the chat. You really knocked it out of the park with these stories. They were joined by Tim Flannery here on the bottom of the hour final segment. Let's do a little Q and a little Q and a few questions. If you're in the YouTube chat, fire away questions. We got it a post up on X as well. He was your questions were flam. We were talking about earlier off the air. Bonting, you know, and I've I've you lean into a bit after a while. So anytime it's a pottery bonds and it's successful, my Twitter blows up. How'd you like to up on what's you know, I'm like, look, man, I I'm not again for the record. I'm not against the bunt. I'm against my three hole hitter chasing one run in the fifth. When he's scorching hot, you know, but that's the way he plays the game and I understand that mentality that's been that they're working on and they want to do it so much so bad to help the team. Absolutely. Which inherently is a great thing. Tell tell everybody the story of the Giants about Bruce Bocey screaming at you thinking that you're putting these buns on Yeah, in 2012, I mean, the pitching we had and yeah, I use that quote earlier that a quad he said we're going to San Francisco is to be cold when he's going to be two to one. Yeah. And the early in the game in Colorado, speed road, sacrifice, but like the second inning and boats is screaming at me and this has happened now like five straight days I looked I go, I'm not putting it on and then I told him I go, I just let you know. They had a team meeting without you both and they decided that they want the pitchers to have a one run lead because of the amazing pitching that the Giants had. So let me get this just the on the record. Bruce Bocey, one of the greatest managers of all time, was not a big fan of the way it's situational. There's a time and place for the sacrifice bond. When he's watching his guys go up on their own and lay one down, the guys actually came together without Bruce Bocey in the room and looked around and said, Hey, we need to bump more. We need to get a lead. Let's get a lead and let these cats go out and pitch with it even if it's a one way. Why didn't those guys think? Well, we're pretty good. Let's let him pitch with a four run lead by not giving away outs in the fourth inning or second in Colorado. But I just said, Hey, that's something you got to worry about, Boge. I don't know. I mean, these guys are button. I'm not telling them this. I mean, they had a meeting without you and this is what they want to do. That's unreal. And Boce has always been that with a player's manager. He'll he'll let the guy. He'll let you give him his mutton enough roll. Give us a roll. He has to stop it. But it worked out. That's so so funny. How much? I know it's different. It was different when you coached and certainly different when you played. How involved do you is your perception of how involved is the big league manager these days as it pertains to things like that. And the bunt, the hitting run, obviously, I think the manager probably puts most hitting runs on. But the steel, you know, things like that, because we we have seen some goofy bass running at times when your team is is struggling, maybe to score runs, you do find guys trying to stretch a little bit. They're trying to make something happen, which again, inherently is a good thing. But a baseball player left to his own devices flan is not always the best recipe for success. Well, yeah, not not all of them know what their strength is right in at the big league level, because they get here sometimes quick. But you know, your team identity will and your pitch in when you're pitching and playing defense. And I always bring back the Padres 2010 team. That was a scariest team because they pitch they would beat you two to one. We beat him at the last day of the season. But that's how we were. You know, you pitched, you played defense. You got to know what your strengths are as a ball club and boats was great at it, you know, but he was never a guy that wanted to play small ball early. But it was different then, you know, once they brought nine professional hitters together and there was no eight hitter, no pitcher. But we we he mentioned it to me just a few weeks ago that our our I took it. I was the bunt doctor. I have a I have a little bubblegum card where I'm doing a bunch right. And if a guy screwed up, I would put that in his locker and say you have an appointment with the bunt doctor tomorrow. I said you go to a lawyer, you get a card from a lawyer, you go from the I go, here's my card. I'm a bunt doctor and you know, you're killing me. You got to go down. I'm getting beat up. You know, because boats would that's the he would he was rushing for that. When he the rare occasion, he would call a button and they didn't get it down. Then it was your ass. All the time. What do we do? Why do we do it? When he did call me to come back up to San Francisco, he goes, I'm not yelling at my coaches anymore. I go bull. That's baloney. I go, but I've had a few years. I've had a few years off. So I'm went ready for it. That's amazing. After we won the third when I go, I'm out of here for you watching him win another one in Texas. Were you surprised he went back? I was surprised, but I got a text message around Christmas before he went. He said, Hey, I see that your band's just killing it. You're playing. You're doing great. He goes, man, did you see those playoff games? I missed those games. I missed that feeling. I just texted him back on my flip phone. I'm very fine coaching from the couch and I am not coming to Texas. That's amazing. And then when I came to fantasy league, he even knew I was coming over to do fantasy league. I get a text. He goes, I knew you wanted to work. I brought you to Texas. I go. I got five days in me and that is it, folks. Leave it when he asked you if you didn't reach out ahead of time saying I'm not doing it. Would you try to get you to go out to Texas? Well, I knew that text messages were that. That was the opening. That was the opening. That's how we did it the last time as well, too. Yeah. Now, all right. But think about this, the guy that fired me was he could only bring one coach and the ownership up there now tells me they go, he said he has to have you. And I go, isn't it crazy? That's all. But that was our relationship. You know, I played with him for five years and we were we were running mates, you know, off the field before social media. Of course. And Boach was just wonderful. And he was a great catcher. Everybody wanted a pitch to him and you just see all the managers. And he has a great knack of the bullpen. You saw that he had the worst bullpen in the league up. And then when you get you give him a day they were terrible when you give him a day off because of media in the playoffs and World Series, he plugs in a starter. He plugs in a couple of that. You know, yeah, he's genius at that. They were horrid. And I I they have some good players. I guess good young players have had a lot of energy. Their bullpen is atrocious and I don't think they're going to go very far. And then once they gave him those extra days off and you get that fifth starter then becomes, you know, and that's what they did. Well, you know, we had let's come coming out of the bullpen in San Francisco. You had, you know, cane a couple times, Zito pitched in 2012 out of the bullpen those last few games when, you know, that's that that's just for managing. You only get good at like coach and third by coach and third. I told these guys at the break. You know, I did it 20 years five in the minor leagues and 15 in the big leagues. You know, San Francisco people saw me the last, you know, you're the best third base coach ever. I go, yeah, you should just see me the first 15 years because there's no way somebody can tell you. I mean, I had great teachers. Jimmy Williams, Joey Moffitano, Jimmy Davenport would take me out and on positioning. And I just loved it. I loved it. But, you know, there's nights that. Perfect example was we had Pablo on first bay Buster on first base. Nobody out in San Francisco. Pablo hits a ball left center field gap. That's usually a no brainer. I send a buster with nobody out. He gets thrown out at the plate. Perfect relay. Bum loses two to nothing. And I went out on television and told the whole world that I lost the game. I would terrible mistake on my part. And the players saw it and they go, they saw what I had to go through. It was a birthday night for me or for my daughter. I couldn't even take him out in San Francisco because people at that time would have killed you. You know, when we first went up there, you know, they were yelling, go back to San Diego. You know, then we would come to San Diego. You guys are traders. So we had nowhere to go. You know. So it took a while for us to win them over up there. But yeah, it's it's a crazy, beautiful game. It sure is, man. All right. We got one more segment with Flynn coming up next. We'll do some Q and A with Flynn. Certainly. But now call now for a pair of tickets to John Fogarty at the Radio Shell September 4th. Tickets on sale and Ticketmaster dot com call 833-288-0973. We'll give them to the fourth caller here on Ben and Woods this morning. 833-288-0973. If you want a pair of tickets, go see John Fogarty. I bet you're a Fogarty fan. Yeah, I do. You can't look at him more than a second and a half. And that's true. He's, you know, those bizarre freaky artists. Yeah. My petal steel player Doug Pettibone's a rock star and plays with all these guys. He goes, yeah, he only allowed you to look at him for those. He's like Ben. Yeah. He's just like Ben. Do not look the artist in the just a second and a half. Second and a half. And then you got to look away. Flynn is not that way. Not that way at all. All right. Call now. We got one more segment with Flynn. You got any questions? Throw them up in the chat. Shoot us a text or a tweet at Ben and Woods. We'll get to all those next. We'll wrap up the show. All right. Final segment of the day today actually disappointed to see the show coming to an end. We'll be back with a little Q and A with Tim Flannery right after this quick check of traffic. All right. So last segment, Flynn, we got a couple questions rolling in. A lot of people just wanted to express their their appreciation for you and let you know what a great job you did today. I've certainly had a blast talking to you as I always do. I always feel that my wife makes fun of me because if I see Flynn somewhere, I just be lying towards him. I know. And the other day at the party, she thought that I go, no, I was telling her my daughter went to extremes because she can't just throw a party. My daughter's got to have the best party. That was really something else before you were talking and she thought that you were where you know one can wear me out talking the game of baseball or having a good soul like yourself. I beat I walked in and I went, Oh, cool. A four year old's birthday party. Right and I said, Oh, there's Flynn and I just be like that. Right next I was like, All right. Let's fire it up. Let's go. What are we? What are we talking about? I'm so good. I always appreciate you and and your your love of the game and you really reminded me being around you the last couple of years. You've really reminded me to remember a few things about baseball and and number one that there is a lot of soul involved in this game. It is a very, very difficult game. It's a very challenging game. These players are incredibly human and they are incredibly infallible and you fail so so much. It has helped me plan to be a better coach, be a better dad. So I thank you for that. All the lessons I just want to be around. You know, you just want to be around to pick up your energy. And thanks so much for coming in today. And you know, you could get a gig last night, man. You could be sleeping right now sitting out drinking some coffee, doing whatever, but you came in for us. We really appreciate trying to figure out why everybody's up in the middle of the night. I'm a musician. I know all the reviews have been so good. So just so you know, you you crushed it. And now this is going to be happening more off. Well, my wife will be the first one to tell you that I'm really good in small doses. Two hours. Perfect. Right. That's exactly. You know, my wife says the same thing about me. She says the exact same thing about me. So we had a couple questions. Paul, you get one. Get the first one from our buddy Hector. Our boy Hector. He says, Tim Flannery, best non superstar infielder that you ever coached. Brandon Crawford, way up there was a it was just the best all around player for me. He came up as a defender, learned how to hit best base runner. If I said not the fastest, but him and Steve Finley were two of the best base runners ever. They always gave you the same no matter. I finally snapped on bonds and not in a bad. Well, I just said, look, I can't, if you're going to get on second base, I can't give give you a mood ring. I can't make a decision if you're in a good mood and you feel like running. I got to have you run the same all the time. And they always did that. That's amazing. Watching Brandon Crawford play shortstop is staggering. I've watched a couple of videos of him out of spring training. I'm pretty sure you were the one hitting him. Fungos, but he's doing the he's messing around having fun going between his legs behind his back. He was ungodly. Good. How much work did he put in? Every day they had great. You know, Ronnie Wotis is probably the I was hitting him. But Ronnie Wotis was the coach and and they had these great as all infielders do. You've got to have a program that you stick to because this is a game of of of going the distance over eight, nine months and you're your prep, your your schedule, your routine is everything to get through a whole season when the season so long. Somebody can get pregnant and spring training and have a baby before the season's even over. And you forget? Yeah, you don't even you don't even realize. Paul, any other questions you got over there for flam? Yeah. So you guys are going to be honored. The 80 14 will be honored on Wednesday. Have we even said what this guy's doing? Oh, yeah. So you're going to be singing the National Anthem of Petco Park. Just you and the guitar? Me and the guitar. I did it four times, five times up in San Francisco with with Phil Lesch and Bobby Ware. I wouldn't even have dead ahead. But when they asked me to sing it, I did it in uniform before playoff and World Series games because we won every single time. And then I'd go coach third and I knew the other club was right next to St. Louis line because they all lined up on the line. And here I'm singing with Weir and last the anthem. And then I'd go coach third and I can just hear these guys saying, Well, that's a different type of third base coach. We don't have a third base coach that does that. Yeah. You know, but I did it a couple of times solo as well. It's, you know, it's it's my mom used to say I used as a when I was both your son's age. I used to call it the baseball song baseball. It's actually a country song. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right. Well, speaking of 84 Adam in our YouTube chat asks the infamous brawl in Atlanta in 1984, was that a big catalyst that jump started to run to the playoffs? Absolutely. We were six games up with six weeks left. We knew that Perez hit Alan Wiggins with the first pitch on purpose. We thought it was more intimidation to try to because they were chasing us. And that was a day that Anna fight. It's crazy. I still am a little sore but sometimes when you wake up and what happened? I mean, we all got beat up. Bevock was in the stands beating up the season ticket holders. The best. I mean, it was the craziest day and that they didn't it was like three times. And I mean, they always show it to the visiting players in Atlanta's to this day. Yeah. And when the Giants came in there and they saw what was going on and and they were watching this video, they go, you know, after about the sixth, seventh time trying, they go, didn't anybody give any warnings? Right. I go, yeah, we yelled out. Look out. The craziest, the craziest part of that to me is the fact that who was the Atlanta skipper at the time was Joe Torrey. How much did they hate past while president? They send him to the plate four times for they hated him so much that they're like, now go ahead. Like you got us into this mess. You're going to get yours too, which is insane to think about in today's day and age of protect coddle. Sure. Yeah. I mean, look, I got a $20 million your player. You damn right. I'm a coddle. That's my investment back then. It was like, no, bro, you hit Wiggins. You're going to get yours. They left him in the game to get dotted and we couldn't get. We couldn't get him. Get it. And then love for it's got him. And then all it was just three times four times a bench is empty. They didn't finish the game until they took everybody back up into the old Atlanta clubhouse. And it's like, you know, the f troupe or the fort, the big forts when the Indians were attacking, they would put that big old piece of wood in the metal. They locked this in before they played the game, finished the game, you know, when I got beat up and find $500 just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I actually showed Bo that video because I, you know, I tell Bo I'm like, that's that's Tim Flannery, bro. Jesse's Jesse's grandfather is a legend. He's a legend. He's a big leader. And he's like, he was a portrait. He just doesn't register. And I'm like, hang on, watch this fight. And I'm like, look, there he is. There he is. And it's funny because you resembled at that time my late father-in-law, Lauren Nancaro. Yes. And they're like the same blonde hair. And then, you know, little, little area on top. Yeah. We would be around town and people would come up to me and they would come up to him and mistake. I said, I had a lot. I wish I had a dollar for every time somebody says, Hey, what's what's the weather going to be like today? Or Lauren said, why'd you send him last night? Why didn't you hit the basketball last night? Yeah, I have a lot of stories about Lauren. He was a wonderful man of just the best human I've ever come across. And it's kind of like our lives were so parallel. We would run into each other at two o'clock in the morning in Arizona. So coming out of the bathroom. And there he is. And just a spectacular, spectacular guy. Well, now for it to come. There's full circle as it has. It's it's it's not lost on me certainly, excuse me, getting a chance to coach. You're incredible, incredible grandson. Jesse was hanging with him over the weekend. And you know, I was talking to his dad, Travis, your son in law, and he's like, he needs to be around more boys. He's surrounded by girls. He's surrounded. He needs to be boys. Jesse is he's three feet tall. He's my lead off hitter and is the most tenacious, fiercest kid. I can't wait to coach him next year and see what he turns into as well. And it's just been it's been awesome, man. It's been awesome. You can get somebody and you've done that with Jesse because I I'm not the guy that wants to to do that. Which makes sense. Yeah. I want to just protect him. If anything, just so they get the love of the game. And when you can love the game so much, then practice is nothing. You take 100 ground balls every day because you love it. You hit all day because you love it. You you you you be in that, you know, we signed in 1979 or 1976. No, 78, 1978 for you know, 500s a month. We were riding 20 hour bus rides in the Texas league, you know, $6 a day to eat on. Nobody got into the game because there was money. We we we did. And I remember my father-in-law, my wife's dad. I got so mad at him. But now I look back. I couldn't but he said, he can't make a living playing baseball. And he was right back then, you know. And I still can't believe you let me marry that one. Yeah, no, no question about it. I mean, obviously the game has changed tremendously. But I love thing I love about you is that you still love the game and love to watch the game. And obviously, I think everybody wanted to know kind of your opinions before we go. We got a few minutes left about this this Padres team this year. It's I'm of the opinion. And I've been wrong many times before, but I'm of the opinion that, you know, this team deserves a shot. They really do. They deserve a shot and they don't have the pieces necessarily yet. Well, that was one of the questions that we did get about the current Padres team. You said, you're watching every night. You know what it takes three times to get to a world series because do you think this team has what it takes to get to October to make a run? It's starting to be it's starting. It's being built. I'm watching it become together. And what you you're not going to score when you get to those playoffs and world series and stuff, you're not going to have 10 runs going up. So you've got to be able to pitch. You got to play defense. You've got to do the things that they're doing. They're even overdoing it because they see it worked. You've got to be able to move runners because you're going to be facing the best pitching in the game those last few few games. You you've got to be able to do the little things. And the game I said it earlier is so sacred. And I did as a coach as a manager. If you get somebody to actually say, I'm going to now look for a pitch to move a runner from second base to third with nobody out. Usually the game honors you. You not only get the guy over you get a base hit. And I remember fans down here before I went off on him on Twitter. And I don't apologize. And and what they would say you what do you mean we are only hope is for productive outs. I said you get twenty seven outs. You might as well make them your friends. Yeah, you have to. And that's the thing that this ability that they've shown at times to string four five six seven hits together. Look in when you get to the big games in October, you also got to have to have a guy that can hit the ball out of the ballpark because sometimes it's really hard to do string six or seven hits together against the world's best pitching on the big stage. That said they have that ability. They do have guys that are hitting the ball out of the ballpark as well. They're rounding into form. They just don't. They they're they're lacking a little bit, which is okay. It's it's early July. There's still time to fix it. I do think this team deserves a shot at it this year. When you get down there and hopefully they'll get a little help whatever help they need. You know, find the right chemistry as well as the player massively. And when you get in those playoffs and you see the you're knocking on the door and you start seeing the door open up. It's almost like you want to get on your knees and and and just think whoever's in charge here that they feel that you honor the game. You've prepared yourself well enough for these things to happen. We never say, you know, it was all of us. Oh my God. We did it door here. It's opening up. It's our turn. And when that starts happening collectively, there's no stopping you. I love it, man. Tim Flannery. Thank you so much for coming in today. We had such a blast. Thank you again. Come on out to Petco Park on Wednesday. They're going to be honoring the 84 team. Kick Terry Kennedy in the shin for me, please. Hey, I traded for you. I know you did. That's what I love. He said, we call him Oscar the grout. He's all of his grout. He is groutiest. Do you ever plan? You crushed it today. Thanks so much. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks, Bobby. Benny has got to follow that. Well, you guys do it every day tomorrow. Good luck. I'm good in small doses. Out of boy. Thanks so much. We'll be back tomorrow. Ben and what 97th and have a great day, everybody. Final segment of the day today actually disappointed to see the show coming to an end. We'll be back with the little Q&A with Tim Flannery right after this quick check of traffic. All right. So last segment, Flynn, we got a couple questions rolling in. A lot of people just wanted to express their their appreciation for you and let you know what a great job you did today. I've certainly had a blast talking to you as I always do. I always feel bad. My wife makes fun of me because if I see Flint somewhere, I just beeline towards them. I know in the other day at the party, she thought that I go know it. I was telling her my daughter went to extremes because she can't just throw a party. My daughters got to have the best party. That was really something else for me. I'm talking and she thought that you were where you know, one can wear me out talking the game of baseball or having a good soul like yourself. I be I walked in and I went, Oh, cool. A four year old's birthday party. Right? And I said, Oh, there's Flynn and I just be like that right next to them. I was like, All right, let's fire it up. Let's go. What are we what are we talking about? So good. I always appreciate you. And and your your love of the game. And you've really reminded me being around you last couple of years. You've really reminded me to remember a few things about baseball and and number one that there is a lot of soul involved in this game. It is a very, very difficult game. It's a very challenging game. These players are incredibly human and they are incredibly infallible and you fail so, so much. It has helped me plan, be a better coach, be a better dad. So I thank you for that. All the lessons. I just plans a guy you just want to be around. You know, you just want to be around to pick up your energy. And thanks so much for coming in today. And you know, you could get a gig last night, man. You could be sleeping right now sitting out drinking some coffee, doing whatever, but you came in for us. We really appreciate trying to figure out why everybody's up in the middle of the night. I love musicians. I know all the reviews have been so good. So just so you know, you you crushed it. And now this is going to be happening more often. Well, just my wife will be the first one to tell you that I'm really good in small doses. Two hours. Perfect. Right. That's exactly. You know, my wife says the same thing about me. She says the exact same thing about me. So we had a couple questions. Paul, you want to get the first one from our buddy Hector? Our boy Hector, he says, Tim Flannery, best non superstar infielder that you ever coached. Brandon Crawford, up there was a it was just the best all around player for me. He came up as a defender, learned how to hit best bass runner. If I said not the fastest, but him and Steve Finley were two of the best bass runners ever. They always gave you the same no matter. I finally snapped on bonds and not in a bad. Well, I just said, look, I can't if you're going to get on second base, I can't give you a mood ring. I can't make a decision if you're in a good mood and you feel like running. I got to have you run the same all the time. And they always did that. That's amazing. Watching Brandon Crawford play shortstop is staggering. I've watched a couple of videos of him out of spring training. I'm pretty sure you were the one hitting him. Fungos, but he's doing the he's messing around having fun going between his legs behind his back. He was ungodly good. How much work did he put in? Every day they had great. You know, Ronnie Wotis is probably the I was hitting him. But Ronnie Wotis was the coach and and they had these great as all infielders do. You've got to have a program that you stick to because this is a game of of going the distance over eight, nine months and your your prep, your your schedule, your routine is everything to get through a whole season when the season so long, somebody can get pregnant and spring training and have a baby before the season is even over. And you forget? Yeah, you don't even read. You don't even realize. Paul, any other questions you got over there for flam? Yeah. So you guys are going to be honored. The 84 team will be honored on Wednesday. Have we even said what this guy's doing? Oh, yeah. So you're going to be singing the National Anthem of Petco porn. Just you and the guitar? Me and the guitar. I did it four times five times up in San Francisco with with Phil Lesh and Bobby Weir. I wasn't even a deadhead. But when they asked me to sing it, I did it in uniform before playoff and World Series games because we won every single time. And then I'd go coach third and I knew the other club was right next to St. Louis line because they all lined up on the line and I hear I'm singing with Weir and last the anthem and then I'd go coach third and I can just hear these guys saying, well, that's a different type of third base coach. We don't have a third base coach that does that. Yeah. You know, but I did it a couple of times solo as well. It's, you know, it's it's because my mom used to say I used as a when I was both your son's age. I used to call it the baseball song. Baseball song. It's actually a country song. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right. Well, speaking of 84, Adam in our YouTube chat asks, the infamous brawl in Atlanta in 1984 was that a big catalyst that jump started to run to the playoffs. Absolutely. We were six games up with six weeks left. We knew that Perez hit Alan Wiggins with the first pitch on purpose. We thought it was more intimidation to try to because they were chasing us. And that was a day that and a fight. It's crazy. I still am a little sore but sometimes when you wake up and what happened. I mean, we all got beat up. Bevok was in the stands beating up the season ticket holders. It was the best. I mean, it was the craziest day and they didn't it was like three times and I mean, they always show it to the visiting players in Atlanta's to this day. Yeah. And when the Giants came in there and they saw what was going on and they were watching this video, they go, you know, after about the six seventh time trying they go, didn't anybody give any warnings? You're right. I go, yeah, we yelled out. Look out. The craziest, the craziest part of that to me is the fact that who was the Atlanta skipper at the time? It was Joe Torre. How much did they hate Pasquale present? They sent him to the plate four times for they hated him so much that they're like, no, go ahead. Like you got us into this mess. You're going to get yours too, which is insane to think about in today's day and age of protect coddle. Sure. Yeah. I mean, look, I got a $20 million year player. You damn right. I'm gonna coddle him. That's my investment. Pat back then. It was like, no, bro, you hit Wiggins. You're going to get yours. They left him in the game to get dotted. And we couldn't get him. We couldn't get him. And then love where it's got him. And then all it was just three times, four times a bench is empty. They didn't finish the game until they took everybody back up into the old Atlanta clubhouse. And it's like, you know, the F troop or the fort, the big forts where the Indians were attacking, they would put that big old pizza wood in the middle. They locked this in before they played the game, finished the game. You know, when I got beat up and fined $500 just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I actually showed Bo that video because I, you know, I tell Bo, I'm like, that's, that's Tim Flannery, bro, Jesse, Jesse's grandfather is a legend. He's a legend. He's a big leader. And he's like, he was a pager. I can just register and I go like, hang on, watch this fight. And I'm like, look, there he is. There he is. And it's funny because you resembled at that time, my late father-in-law, Lauren Nancaro. Yes. And they like the same blonde hair. And then, you know, a little little area on top. We would be around town. People would come up to me and they would come up to him and mistake. I said, I had a lot. I wish I had a dollar for every time somebody says, hey, what's what's the weather going to be like today? Lord, why did you send him last night? Why didn't you get the basketball last night? Yeah, I have a lot of stories about Lauren. He was a wonderful man. Just the best human I've ever come across. And it's kind of like our lives were so parallel. We would run into each other at two o'clock in the morning in Arizona. So coming out of the bathroom. And there he is. And just a spectacular, spectacular guy. Well, now for it to come. There's full circle as it has. It's not lost on me, certainly. Excuse me. Getting a chance to coach your incredible incredible grandson, Jesse, was hanging with him over the weekend and, you know, I was talking to his dad, Travis, your son in law, and he's like, he needs to be around more boys. He's surrounded by girls. He's surrounded. He needs to be boys. Jesse is, he's three feet tall. He's my lead-off hitter and is the most tenacious, fiercest kid. I can't wait to coach him next year and see what he turns into as well. And it's just been, it's been awesome, man. It's been awesome. If you can get somebody, and you've done that with Jesse, because I'm not the guy that wants to do that. Which makes sense. Yeah. I want to just protect him, if anything, just so they get the love of the game. And when you can love the game so much, then practice is nothing. You take a hundred ground balls every day because you love it. You hit all day because you love it. You be in the, you know, we signed in 1979 or 1976. No, since '78, 1978, for, you know, 500s a month, we were riding 20-hour bus rides in the Texas League, you know, $6 a day to eat on. Nobody got into the game because there was money. We, we, we just, and I remember my father-in-law, Donna, my wife's dad. I got so mad at him, but now I look back. I couldn't, but he said he can't make a living playing baseball, and he was right back then, you know? And I still can't believe you let me marry that woman. Yeah. No question about it. I mean, obviously, the game has changed tremendously. But I love, the thing I love about you is that you still love the game and love to watch the game. And obviously, I think everybody wanted to know kind of your opinions before we go. We got a few minutes left about this, this Padres team this year. I, it's, I'm of the opinion and I've been wrong many times before, but I'm of the opinion that, you know, this team deserves a shot. They really do. They deserve a shot and they don't have the pieces necessarily yet. Well, that was one of the questions that we did get about the current Padres team. You said you're watching every night. You know what it takes three times to get to a World Series because do you think this team has what it takes to get to October to make a run? It's starting to be, it's starting, it's being built. I'm watching it become together and what you, you're not going to score when you get to those playoffs in World Series and stuff. You're not going to have 10 runs going up. So you've got to be able to pitch. You got to play defense. You've got to do the things that they're doing. They're even overdoing it because they see it worked. You've got to be able to move runners because you're going to be facing the best pitching in the game those last few games. You've got to be able to do the little things and the game, I said it earlier, is so sacred and I did as a coach as a manager. If you get somebody to actually say, I'm going to now look for a pitch to move a runner from second base to third with nobody out, usually the game honors you. You not only get the guy over, you get a base hit. And I remember fans down here before I went off on them on Twitter and I don't apologize. And what they would say, what do you mean? Our only hope is for productive outs. I said you get 27 outs. You might as well make them your friends. Yeah, you have to and that's the thing. This ability that they've shown at times to string four, five, six, seven hits together. Look, when you get to the big games in October, you also got to have to have a guy that can hit the ball out of the ballpark because sometimes it's really hard to do. Strings six or seven hits together against the world's best pitching on the biggest stage. That said, they have that ability. They do have guys that are hitting the ball out of the ballpark as well. They're rounding into form. They just don't. They're lacking a little bit, which is okay. It's early July. There's still time to fix it. I do think this team deserves a shot at it this year. When you get down there and hopefully they'll get a little help, whatever help they need, you know, find the right chemistry as well as the player massively. And when you get in those playoffs and you see that you're knocking on the door and you start seeing the door open up, it's almost like you want to get on your knees and and and just thank whoever's in charge here that they feel that you honor the game. You've prepared yourself well enough for these things to happen. We never say, you know, it was all of us. Oh my god. We did it. We're here. The door's opening up. It's our turn. And when that starts happening collectively, there's no stopping you. I love it, man. Tim Flannery, thank you so much for coming in today. We had such a blast. Thank you. Again, come on out to Petco Park on Wednesday. They're going to be honoring the 84 team. Kick Terry Kennedy in the shin for me, please. Hey, I traded for you. I know you did. That's why I love you. We call him Oscar the grout. He's always grout. He is groutiest dude ever. Flan, you crushed it today. Thanks so much. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks, Molly. Benny has got to follow that. Well, you guys do it every day. Good tomorrow. Good luck. I'm good in small doses. Out of boy. Thanks so much. We'll be back tomorrow. Bed and woods. 97-3, man. Have a great day, everybody. Trying to figure out what to eat for dinner yet again. 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