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6.21.24 Gwynn & Chris Hour 1: Matt Waldron joins us!
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We've got a countdown today that I think will be fun for everybody in the three o'clock hour. We're gonna go back through some of the great nicknames in the history of sports. This in the wake of the passing earlier this week of the say hey kid, Willie Mays. And we head down out to Petco Park where we have our friend Tony Gwen Jr. Who I saw out there yesterday last night wearing his Milwaukee Brewer blue suit last night. Did you realize that? That's what you were wearing, Tony? No, I wasn't wearing it. It's a weird thing to notice. Yeah, kind of a light blue color there. It was very Brewer, like I thought. Wow. Last time I checked Brewers were navy and yellow. But they do wear light blue for their city connects. Oh, that's what it was. It looked like a Brewer city connect suit. That's right. Sorry about this Tony. I didn't know this is how it started. I didn't see it that way, but I think it's a compliment. So thank you. It was a compliment. You looked very sharp last night. Did you have a blue shirt on right now? The Cheyenne. Milwaukee Brewer blue. That's right. I'm wearing my Brewer, Milwaukee Brewer blue shirt here tonight. Before we get to last night's thrilling Padre victory. And it was thrilling. Seven, six of the Milwaukee Brewers and all of the crazy things that have happened with the Padres. I think we have to start today. Tony with the note that before the show started, I looked out the window before I came in. And I saw Scrabie's car parked down in the parking lot down here at the Odyssey Palace. And fortunately for the car parked next to him, that car was not parked on the line next to Scrabie's car. I said that he could be sure it's over to Matthew Scrabie. Because apparently earlier today, somebody at the Starbucks in the neighborhood made this mistake of parking their car a little too close to that of Matthew Scrabie. And what? Scrabie wasn't a little too close or was on the line. I love how he's framing this. Like it's my fault. Oh, no, it was not your fault. By the way, next time Chris says this is off the air stuff, I'm immediately going to bring it to me. We told you immediately that we were going to put it on the air. I didn't actually think you were going to do it. No, we told you immediately we were going to put it on the air. We did tell you it was good, a couple of days. You can't act like Joe. You can't act like Joe. The follow-up joke, I thought, was. No, we're going to do a little bit. We're going on the air for sure. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Why don't you want it on the air? I think you're-- Because I love for mine, Chris. You're serving notice to the rest of the parking public out there to park your car where it belongs between the two lines, right Scrab? That's all you're trying to do. Yes. Only message you're trying to get across here. So when I went-- now that we're talking about this, I went to go pick up my coffee. The parking lot was tight. So I parked in a tight spot, but I was in between the lines. I made sure of that, right? Now getting out of the car was kind of tough, because the car-- Wait, what was the car next to you? The car next to me on the driver's side was backed in number one. Well, that's the first mistake they made right there. And on the line number two. You know what? That's a good point, Tony Gwen Jr. Backing in ought to be illegal. No. Let's move to make that a reality, Scrab. I agree. If you've had that on any real ballot-- About somewhere, you'd only go past. You guys would get trouched. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. People who don't like people who back in-- I don't know. I've heard from a lot of the backwards parkers. Because what I do know is people want to have the freedom of choice when it comes to packing in. Well, you know what, we're living in a society now where we're taking choices away, and it's high time that we take this one away, take this one away as well. But here, because the guy was backed in next to Scrabie, his drive-on door. And he was indeed on the line, which was made of work. But because this guy was backed in, and you're trying to get into the car right where he is-- Well, I'm trying to get out first. OK, first get out. So here's your story. You got out the car. So I get out the car, and I'm trying to get out, and it's a tight squeeze. I'm sucking in at this point, trying to get out. And I'm not trying to hit the car next to me, but you know, a fit of anger hit me. And I was like, you know what, screw it. So I opened the door. I didn't slam it. I just rested it on the other car. So it gave me a couple more inches I needed to get out. OK, close the door, go get my coffee, come back. Guy's sitting in his car now. I go and try to open my door again, and I am really having a hard time getting in the car. Plus you're balancing the coffee. I have my coffee. Yeah, you're balancing the coffee. This is all why you're trying not to touch his door. Yes, and my shoulder is absolutely killing me. You're not trying to touch his door, but he's sitting right there looking out the window and you're asking me to get into the car. So my door-- Like daring you to touch his door. Yeah, that's right. My door opens onto his car. That's right. Because I couldn't fit into my car, and I was so angry. So he rolled down the window. He was throbbing too absolutely. Yeah, oh god, my shoulder isn't so much pain today because of this. But he rolled down his window, and he was like, hey, dude, you just hit my car. And I lost my mind. Yeah, you did. And I wish this was an after dark episode where you could really tell what you said. You'll hear what I-- you'll understand what I said, but I said when he said, hey, dude, you hit my car, I said, well, then don't park on the belief in line then. And I got in my car, embarrassed as all hell, and backed out and did a Rory Macquarie screech around the car. I think you struck a victory for all of us out there. I think you did. Who tried to park between the lines and are tired of these people who have so little regard for the rest of society. And I think this is a society issue. Yes, it is. That they park on the line and just think it's fine. No, it's not fun. It's not fun. You're right, you're not any better than anybody. And the guy who did this is lucky that you didn't just pull out and decide to sacrifice your front left bumper by screeching across his entire side of his-- No, I would never do that. My car's breaking down. My car's breaking down. It's not even your old man. We've all thought about it at one point in time. Oh, yeah. It might be worth just jacking my car up just to-- Just to do that. Yeah. --line across the side of this person. Exactly. I'm telling you right now, if I had my Prius, I probably would have done it. Well, this is-- you know, what you wanted to do today is the reason they invented rental cars. Because if you-- What's this not the reason-- No, no, no, no, no, no. No, Barmar Jarrod did this one time. He got in big trouble for it. Well, yeah, it's another show. He actually ran to the car, trashed it, and then took it back. Did said driver have anything to say back to you? I didn't look back at him, but no. They didn't say anything. I think they were like, oh, god, this guy's crazier than I am. I'm going to be quiet. Or the back of his mind, he knew he was out of pocket being on the line. Exactly. Thank you. He knew he was out of pocket. Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Why think we owe you all a big round of applause-- We do. --and thank yourself around the plot. For sticking up for the rest of us to try to park our car decently and within the lines. Good job, straight. Thank you. That'll be great. I think you did the rules right there. Yes, there's someone on the chat. Hope Springs Eternal. I'm handicapped, and it fear eats me when people park in handicapped spaces in there. Not handicapped. Yes, please, people. If you do not need to use that space, don't use the space. What is the problem? It's not hard, guys. It really is it. You got the two lines there, park your car on there. Hey, you know what? Nobody is judging you if you got to do it two or three times to get it right. No, that's right. Get it right. Get it right. Well, Jesse, so maybe Scrappy is over here judging you because of it. He also doesn't want you to park on a lifestyle. You know, he can't have it both ways. I can't, you're right. I just said, just take your time, park it right, you know. I feel good now. Yeah, I think I knew you would. You should feel good. Yeah, you should, you're unburdened. And here's the one thing about the handicapped thing. Every now and again, I drive with my mother-in-law who does have a legal handicapped car. OK. And so, you know, she'll bring it and say, hey, let's use the handicapped parking here so we can get a close spot. But when I park in there, I always limp out of the car. I just-- Oh my goodness. I just don't feel like I should get out of business. I'll sprint into the store. You know what I mean? I can't, what? You think injury to make people believe? A little bit. Yeah, I don't feel right. But is your mother-in-law using the said placard? She uses it. She's OK. That's OK, though. She has to legitimately have it. Yes. That is hilarious that this guy gets out of his car and lifts. Would he limp a little bit? Just a little bit. How long do you limp for? Do you come out of the store limping too? It's just in case. He goes, and it comes out. That's right. I respect you for admitting that, Chris, because I don't know that I would have admitted that. That's quality, that is what happens when your soul is convicted, right? That's right. I know I shouldn't be doing this. So, you know what? I'm going to at least try to blend in here. Yes, because of this, because of the person who wrote in on the chat that they actually are handicapped and need that spot in order to get where they want to go. And I'm probably taking their spot once in a while. Jacob makes a great point. People are allowed to be non-visibly handicapped. Chris, don't need to limp. You can't crutches in your car now? Well, somebody explained the rules on this. If you're mentally disabled, like I clearly am. Can I get a card for that? I know you're not actually mentally disabled. That's what I mean. I feel-- I don't know. People might argue that, it's great. I feel Chris on this one. Like, in his mind, he knows. Like, I know I'm driving my mother-in-law and she definitely needs it. But I'm perfectly fine. And so, you know, I understand that logic in it. You know what? I do, too. I'm going to limp out of this car, at least-- Just a little bit. Just a little bit. All right, that's good stuff. We had some crazy stuff to open the show today, but we've got plenty of time. Padre's win last night. It's their third consecutive walk-off home victory, tying an all-time major league record. And that's amazing. It's actually the first time that a team has done the walk-off in the bottom of the ninth inning, three games in a row. If they do it again tonight, my goodness, that would really be spectacular. So an exciting night out at Petco Park. We'll recap all of it here in a little bit. But we have to make way for our "Fire Friday" interview with Matt Waldron. The, you know, look, this has been a great story. And hopefully, he keeps this hot run going. We're lucky to have him on the show. We are underway, Gwen and Chris, Friday, Waldron-- Cauldron next on Gwen and Chris. We all belong outside. We're drawn to nature, whether it's the recorded sounds of the ocean we doze off to, or the succulents that adorn our homes. Nature makes all of our lives, well, better. 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Matt Waldron joins us here shortly. Talk about his terrific start to the season that got off to a bit of a rough start, has more than found its level at this point. He's probably, no, he is the hottest Padre starter starting pitcher right now. He'll join us here briefly. He's got eight consecutive games, Tony, allowing two or fewer runs. I mean, that's an impressive stretch. - Some good offenses in there too. - Yeah, right. - That he's done that again. So, I think Mr. Scravey is guiding him on the line, getting him all set, I don't, I would love to go into a different subject, but I just feel like ready. And there's a thumbs up. Let's bring in our Friar Friday guest, Matt Waldron joins us here on Gwen and Chris Matt. Welcome to the show. How are you today, my man? - I'm doing good. It's another great day in the big league. So, I'm enjoying that and I just got out of the field. Feeling good. - So, before we got you before you even got into any of your routine. I mean, let's just start with, you know, you made the club out of spring. You earned the spot out of spring. The season, I'd say the first couple of stars made didn't go the way you liked them too, but it just seems like every start that you have made, you've learned something from the previous start and you have been able to apply it in a way. And it just seems like you're in a good groove right now. - Yeah, I feel like I am too. I feel like I'm learning something from each start. And, you know, the best way to learn sometimes is the hardest way and that's failing at that level. And just, you know, pretty badly, like the Cardinals start and the Diamondback start. I feel like it's really, you know, I had to make some adjustments. Matt, you know, did you hear any of the noise in the month of April? And if so, how tough was it, as you're trying to legitimize and kind of prove to everybody that you belong here? I mean, it's pretty obvious to all of us now that you are where you are supposed to be, but I'm sure that there was a little, maybe a little extra stress on yourself to try and go out and show what you could really do early this season. - Yeah, absolutely. And I think just, you know, keeping the area at a good spot is always at the front of a starting pitcher's mind. And just, you know, when you're not doing well, and you know, there's probably some better options out there if you don't turn things around so you gotta, you really gotta perform, you know, immediately. - Matt Waldron joins us here on Gwen and Chris. And Matt, you've kind of evolved as a guy who has a knuckle ball. I don't know if that you would call yourself a knuckle baller at this point, but what do you think has led to the success? I mean, I've talked to you a little bit about it in the clubhouse about, you know, your different ranges of your knuckle ball. The one thing that stands out to me is on days that you haven't necessarily been able to command it the way you want, you've been able to lean on that sweeper and on that cutter and on that sinker to get you back in at bats so that you could use the knuckle ball. Has that kind of been the evolution in your year so far? - Yeah, I would definitely say that. I think, you know, number one, I would say like I rely on the knuckle ball for sure. And if that thing's not going, it definitely I have to rely on something else, whether that's a sweeper, you know, backdoor two-seam or anything really. You just like, I feel like, yeah, having all of them isn't always possible, but like when they're on it, it definitely makes the job less tough. - Matt Waldron is with us from the Padres who play the Brewers tonight and our fire Friday guest. Matt, I'm curious how much of a knuckle ball savant are you or have you become? And I'm talking about some of the history and the pitchers that have used the knuckle ball and have you had a chance to speak to some of these guys at all, Charlie Huff, Tom Candiotti, talk about the pitch. It seems like back in the day anyway, the knuckle baller was kind of a fraternity unto itself. Right now you're a pitcher unto yourself 'cause no one else is throwing it. So where do you, who do you lean on to, you know, to talk about this crazy thing that you have? - Yeah, I definitely talked with a couple guys. I'd say Tom, Candiotti, significant Lee, and you know, he's always left the door open. So if I ever have questions or hit a wall and you know, this game can definitely make you do that. So I'll reach out to him, but I can't say I've looked up so much of the history that like I'm just, I know all about the, like I, I'd probably disappoint you on saying that I just don't know as much about the history. Obviously I know Wakefield and I think, or I believe he's the reason why I started throwing it. And so I've been, it's been cool to experience it, but really just, you know, I feel like I'm able to throw that pitch and learning how to compete with it was the hardest part at first. But, and I feel like I'm learning and I'm just, you know, trying to make strides and I'm always a student in this game and I feel like, you know, some things have been, I've been clicking a little bit recently. - I have to share with you, having been up in the booth next to Tom. He, this guy is beaming watching you throw the Knuckleball and have the success that you're having. I mean, obviously he talked a little bit about you guys' relationship and giving you some little tidbits and he made the note to myself that you've gone and gone through the same evolution as every Knuckleball, right? I think there's a part of you that, you know, I still got good stuff on the other pitches. I don't necessarily want to become just a Knuckleballer, but we've seen you at times when you've had your most success throwing it at a high level. He is certainly a guy who it seems like is in your corner, even though, you know, he's working with another team right now. - Yeah, no, absolutely. And I really appreciated that, you know, I just haven't any, yeah, I think he's supportive too. And that's what I think I've loved the most, is just he wants to see me do well. And I think that's more than even just leaving the door open. Like I think just that's supportive. It's been, he's been very helpful. - Matt Waldron is with us, grew up in Omaha, Nebraska for those who might wonder, went to the University of Nebraska, but grew up a Kansas City Chiefs fan, which is why this next quote is so amazing. The quote is, I'm trying to learn the Knuckleball, the Waldron dude from the Padres throws. And the guy who said that quote was Patrick Mahomes, no less, the Chiefs quarterback, have you had a chance to talk with him as he contacted you yet? I know you were kind of fired up about that though. - Yeah, that was a crazy experience. I know, I remember hearing, I got a couple texts in, "Hey, the MVP shattered you out." And for us that day, the MVP of our game was Jackson, because he hit the walk off. So I was like, "Oh, that's kind of cool." But then I realized they were talking about Mahomes so that it was a different level. And then so, but no, I haven't gotten to talk to him. I say I'm a little nervous, I don't think I'm quite cool, qualified to, you know. - Oh, you're trying to fly, come on. - But I had definitely crossed my mind, but no, he's, wow, yeah, that was a definite high in my life for sure that I don't think I would have thought man as much as it does. - Yeah, I know that about it. Matt Waldron joins us here. Matt, a little bit about game planning, as you go into each of these starts. You and Ruben, I assume, and whoever's catching, we know it's going to usually be Kyle, catching, get together, you formulate your game plan. How much is that able to stick depending on how well the knuckle ball feels? 'Cause a lot of times for the knuckle ballers in the past, they would have a start in which they just had no feel for the knuckle ball and they would get hit. You don't necessarily have to go through that because you have the other pitches, has there been a start where the knuckle ball just didn't feel good coming out and you kind of had to adjust the game plan? - Yeah, absolutely, and those are scary, to be honest, those are like, you know, it's, it's still like I'm fighting with one arm or something, I would say, so I don't feel quite at all without it. But I would say the red series was definitely one there. I was just like, are the red at home, the first time we played them was tough for me. I just, and that being, you know, when I have a lack of belief in it, that's even another, like, just really, like, debilitating, you know, scenario. And it gets to you, so I feel like just that lack of belief in it too kind of doubles down on top of just the results that it wasn't getting. - Well, let's get in the results now for you Matt and some of the quotes, I mean, to hear Jaz Chisholm say, thinks it's the best pitch in baseball and Bryson Stott the other day said, man, he threw one to bone that hit him and then threw the same pitch to me and it dropped him for a strike. I didn't know what to do. It's nice to hear that, I'm sure. Real, last thing I wanted to ask you 'cause I did have a chance to visit with Phil Niekra one time, the great knuckle baller and he detailed this whole thing to me about what he does between starts and on game days in terms of keeping his fingernails right. Because it's actually a fingernail ball in a lot of ways. Got to dip into the ball. - Yeah, that's true. - Right, so do you, are you very careful? You know, like between starts or is it just day of game to make sure that everything is exactly right the way you need it? - Yeah, I would say at first I was like obsessing over it a little bit and then I think back to it. And then that like, like I get psyched me out a little bit so like I'd be like, oh no, that's a millimeter too long or something 'cause it really is. So I feel like just, you know, I kind of get it dialed in the night before and that way I don't have to worry about and if it's a little long, like I'd rather shy on it being too long than too short and I'm like, yeah. So, that is, there is some serious truth to the nail length being very important. - That's interesting. A lot of knuckle ballers that I've seen carry a foul with them and they're kind of shaping the nails. That's super interesting. Matt, we'll let you go, man. We know you got to get your day started. Appreciate you coming on. Continued success as we move forward in the season and thanks for giving us some of your time. - Thanks, Matt. - Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for having me. - Good luck. - Matt Wall's knuckle baller. - That was one of my favorite interviews. I really enjoyed that one. That was a lot of, I mean, they're all fun but that one was kind of really good. - There's a lot of humility in there. You can hear as he is talking about himself. You can see that it's uncomfortable talking about himself. - Right. I have no right to get to talk to Patrick Mahomes. - Yes you do. - Why not? - He's the one who loves to know about him. - He brought you up. - That's right. He brought you in on this, so. - Yeah, no doubt. - Yeah. - We got a few minutes. The Padre lineup just dropped. - All right. - Get to it. - Just great. (upbeat music) - Looks like. - Whoa, Wall. - Oh, sorry. I don't know why you just tried to start talking. - You think he's going to give the lineup right now? - Yeah. Same lineup as last night. - Ah, I like that. Worked last night. Might work again. - Although it was David Peralta, the DH. - Wow. - He was not the DH. Just the same lineup. I didn't say the positions were the same there, but. - Oh, I wasn't. I wasn't calling you. - I was back. - Geez. - Yeah. - The fuck goes back to the house. - You know what? I'm going to go fight Tony in the parking lot right now because of this. Good luck, man. - A parked on the line, buddy. - Forked on the line, buddy. - Man, I better watch myself in the studio today, guys. I could be in danger for the way Scrabby's reacting. - Scrabby, do you remember what you were going to say? I was going to say, oh, yes. I was going to say that I, Chris, I knew was going to ask about a Negro brother or whatever it is. - I was, by the way, that was a great answer. It was a great question because I don't think many people know, I had forgotten to, you started to ask a question until you said something about his nails. - Right. - I remember Charlie Huff and Kandy Adi and Wakefield talking about how they have to keep their nails. - Yeah. - And it's so funny, you know, for a pitcher like Matt Walger who really is like learning, he's just, I mean, pretty new to the knuckle ball for the most part. Him obsessing over the link. - Yeah. - I could totally see that being a thing. - Yeah, sure. But what I was trying to say is I was going to go into it making fun of Chris, but he elicited a very good response. So good question, Chris. - He just said, that's where you always start with wanting to make fun of me. And then I have to earn your, you know, your trust. - Yes. - Yes. - Bageries did make a roster move today. Adam Major goes down. Tom Cosgrove back to the big leagues. - Yes, well, and that's a smart move because the bullpen is taxed at the moment. So they need another arm. - Major way. - Yeah. - All right. - We're going to break more going to Chris on to the side screen where we're going next. - We got to do my shilts? - Well, we got to do last night's game because there were so many crazy things that happened last night that I want to get into. - You know what I forgot? We didn't do the last night's game. - We haven't done the last night's game. - We were talking about you parking situation. - Yeah. - Yes. - For 12 minutes. - This is what we're here to recap last night's game. We will return more going to Chris. (upbeat music) - Pitch number seven on the way. And Chrono word swings hit you in the air to deep right field. Way back. Way to go. (crowd cheering) For the third consecutive game here at Petco Park, the Padres had a walk off home run. He got Siyoka and Maro. And now Jake Chrono word through throws is helmet as he approaches home plate. The Padres beat the Brewers 76. - Excellent, excellent call. - As always by Jesse Agler there and to be able to work in the fact that, yeah, third consecutive game that the Padres win at home on a walk off home run. How rare is it? It's happened three other times in Major League history. So not too shabby. Not only that, never. With all three home runs coming in the bottom of the night. Couple of those games happen in extra innings. So I guess if you're going game to the night, you're going to be upset if there's not a walk off home run, Tony. I mean, we're going to become used to this. And you know, the thing is, this is the ninth one run victory of the year for the Padres last night. And that's significant because last year, all season they had nine. And they're not even to the halfway point. So we can say a lot of things about this team, but they are doing a much better job in clutch, tight situations this year. Yeah, I mean, they're doing a better job for sure. You know, I think, I don't know. I mean, this team, we can't figure it out. You can't, I mean, they have, maybe things are starting to even out home in a way. They've played better here at home. They've played worse on the road. Right-handed pitcher on the mound yesterday, had that going for him. Yeah, right. They did some nice stuff yesterday, offensively. They had some help. You know, the lights ball that the Ellich had to deal with and left. They don't let the Padres being able to tie the game, right? I think it was. Yes, it was a big run, yeah. And, but you know, ultimately they did what they had to do. You know, pitchers in this league still make mistakes. And we saw it last night. He had thrown, the Piams has been dirty. He'd been throwing that fastball, the couple of different fastballs, made the mistake with the breaking ball. And it got hit into the crone zone. Yeah. You know, listen to Padres, this is kind of what they've been doing all year long. Yeah, they're going to win tonight for sure. Because they got to get to 500. They're going to get back to 500. And then, you know, we'll take our chances from there. See what happens after that. Yeah. But listen, that's, I think, you know, ultimately, if we're being serious and I know you guys have brought up playoffs a couple times, if we're being serious about that, that is the starting point. You hit to 500. Do a lot of good things can happen for you. As long as you're there, just a little bit above. Yeah, I mean, no team has really taken hold, you know, of that fifth and sixth playoff spot. And it's early as you keep saying. But, you know, I wouldn't mind being the team that takes a hold in one of those spots, right? I mean, win 10 out of 12. I keep begging for it. But I guess I'll continue to beg. It was an interesting game in a lot of ways last night. And I know that Croninworth is the, you know, the heroic finish to the game. Everyone's going to remember Tetis' home run, which almost knocked the scoreboard down in left field. I mean, absolutely a missile. Manny, you know, gets the home run the opposite way. Hits another couple of balls hard. And we're, you know, of course everybody's hoping that that signals that these two guys are. Well, Fernando's been doing it for a little while, but hopefully Manny's going to join him there. But to me, baseball always comes down, not always, but a lot of times, and especially a one-run game, comes down to plays that are made and plays that are not made. And that doesn't mean an error. It just means the top of the first inning when Manny makes an unbelievable stab on a shot down the line. Croninworth digs out his throw, a rise digs out that throw. You couldn't get a better double play in terms of three guys all making great plays. Now, how many runs did that save? I mean, bases loaded one out, the kid on the mound. Milwaukee might have scored six, seven runs in that inning if they don't make that play. But instead, they only get one. And then in the bottom of the first, Terrain kicks the ground ball. There's no error because you can't assume a double play, but Manny should have really never gotten a chance to bat, but he did. And that to me is the difference in the game, right there in the first inning. So that's how it works in the big leagues. Plays that are made, plays that are not made. And when you're on, when you're in one of those games, and it doesn't mean that there's going to be a play not made or a play made, but if you're in one of those games and you end up not making one and then in the very, or you end up making a play and in the very next inning, the other team doesn't make one. - Right. - That a lot of times is the difference in the ball game. - Yeah, gotta give the Padres credit 'cause they took full advantage of the opportunity, right? Manny has so much. - That's something they've been better at this year. - Yes. - A lot better this year. 'Cause remember last year they were having these same opportunities and none of them seemed like they happened, at least until like the last two weeks of season when they ran off however many straight things went on. - Yeah. Well, anyway, look, it was a game that I felt was important to win because they did a lot of things really well and had they let it slip away, you know, this would have been one of those ones that hurt a little extra, but you know what they did in, and I know that Estrada kind of gets on the hook a little for, well, he gave up the lead in the ninth and Suarez wasn't available. Well, guess what? Estrada was pitching in his third game in a row and he was willing to step up and I don't think he took one for the team necessarily, Tony, but somebody had to pitch that ninth inning and he got through it, kept them tied, and you know, he got a lot of credit from his manager after that game for being willing to step up in that situation and I think that's important to note. - He definitely, I mean, this is the kind of, these are the things that sometimes gets out of my skin, right? 'Cause I can already guarantee what would have happened if he would have been like, I can't go today. - Yeah. - We would have been all over him. I mean, maybe not as much Suarez because I think he's bought himself, you know, some equity by showing up in the eighth inning on multiple occasions, but that would have been what people, the gripe was. And so instead, he goes out there, probably hanging, you know, because I think he threw, he wasn't like he threw like four pitches on those other two appearances. He threw about, I think it was like 15 and 18. - Yeah, right. - And those two previous appearances. And, you know, he didn't have his best stuff and it showed. And so he did take, he did step out there and try to step up for his team. It didn't work out. Padre still picked him up on the backside though. - Yeah, I appreciate Estrada last night. And you know, let's also mention that he accomplished something last night that had never been done before in the major leagues. He struck out, all three outs were strikeouts last night. It's the third day in a row that he did that. No one has ever done that in history. This guy's done two things with strikeouts in the last month that have never before been done. So not too accomplished last night. - He struck out the side for the third consecutive appearance. - Oh, you loved the strikeout record. - He struck out three in a row on Tuesday. - Tuesday. - Three in a row on Wednesday. And then the same yesterday. - Nice. - So he's doing things with that strikeout that are impressive. It was the other couple of things that I noticed about the game last night, Tony. Well, first of all, the Jackson Merrill thing is a weird statistic. I get it. You know, he's 21, 22, and the young guy, center field, six home runs and eight games. But I think that, to me, that would be something you could cherish when they put up on the scoreboard that you're now the only guy to do something along with Willie Mays. I got a kick out of that. And, you know, what Jackson Merrill's doing right now is beyond what a lot of people expect that he was gonna do. And, you know, give this young guy a lot of credit. He continues to just keep an even steady pace about himself. But his confidence has got to be growing. - Yeah, in terms of the record, I mean, that's something certainly Jackson should cherish. - Yeah, exactly. - For the rest of us, I don't know that it really is all that. - It's a weird stat. - Right. - It is. - It's just not a lot of 20-year-olds playing in the big leagues, eh? And certainly not a lot of them hitting home runs. So he should 100% cherish that. And that's something he should talk about forever. - Right. - But I mean, for me, he's still just being Jackson. You know, he's just out there. He's now, he's hit a few more home runs, which is kind of, you know, open more people to what he's been doing, frankly, all season long. He's just adding the homer to it. I mean, he still is doing, you know, what he's done all season long. He's right between about 275, 285. He's just kind of shifting back and forth in that area. Never going too low, never going too high. He's just steady. And that's, you know, that's a huge compliment for a 20-21-year-old kid, playing in the big leagues, learning a new position. You can make the argument, he has been the most consistent player, maybe outside of Jerrickson all season long. - Yeah. - Like no one has been as consistent as Jackson had. - Right, it's been doing it, right? I mean, you just kind of put him in the lineup and forget about it and he does his thing. So the other thing that was interesting last night that I saw Kevin Asie pointed out in his notes column today, the one player in Major League Baseball who strikes out the least also walks the least. That player is Luis Arise and he did both things last night. He struck out and walked. Now the walk in the first inning, get the, this is first walk in 51 at bats or played appearances and I was thinking about it, this is not because he doesn't have a good eye Tony or any of that, it's because he hits the ball time. He never swings and misses so the ball, the count never gets deep against him. - You know? - This for me is not a big deal. I mean, this is what I grew up. Watch my daddy strike out a lot, he didn't walk a lot. - Yeah, right. - It has nothing to do with anything other than they put the ball in play. They got great bat to ball skill. And so pitches that a lot of guys would swing and miss that. I saw, I see, I have a stat I had yesterday sent to me that Luis has the highest percentage of swings of pitches out above the zone but he also has missed them the least of anybody in the game. - He doesn't miss anything. - He just doesn't miss. He expands, his expansion of the zone is different than everybody else's because his intent is different than everybody else's when he's expanding the zone. So yeah, man, he's just, he's a, you can make the mistake of kind of like being whole hum about Luis 'cause you, now we're getting to see him every day and he pretty much is gonna get two knocks a day as it seems and you could make the mistake of just kind of being bored with that. I advise you not, there aren't, there isn't. You know, part of the defense would be, they're lucky, they get two guys actually in the lineup that are doing, they're just, are unicorns in terms of average and what they're doing in this game. (upbeat music) - Pitch number seven on the way and Chrono word swings, hits it in the air to deep right field, way back, good to go. (crowd cheering) For the third consecutive game here at Petco Park, the Padres in a walk-off home run. He got Siyoka and Merrill and now Jake Chrono word through throws his helmet as he approaches home plate, the Padres beat the Brewers, 76. Excellent, excellent call. As always by Jesse Agler there and to be able to work in the fact that, yeah, third consecutive game that the Padres win at home on a walk-off home run, how rare is it? It's happened three other times in Major League history. So not, not too shabby, not only that, never with all three home runs coming in the bottom of the nine, couple of those games happen in extra innings. So, yeah, guess if you're going game to the night, you're gonna be upset if there's not a walk-off home run, Tony, I mean, we're gonna become used to this. And, you know, the thing is, this is the ninth one run victory of the year for the Padres last night. And that's significant because last year, all season, they had nine and they're not even to the halfway point. So, we can say a lot of things about this team, but they are doing a much better job in clutch, tight situations this year. Yeah, I mean, they're doing a better job for sure. You know, I think, I don't know. I mean, this team, we can't figure it out. You can't, I mean, they have, maybe things are starting to even out home in a way. They've played better here at home and they've played worse on the road. Right-handed pitcher on the mound yesterday, had that going for him. Yeah, right. They did some nice stuff yesterday, offensively. They had some help. You know, the light's ball that D'Elage had to deal with and left. They don't let the Padres being able to tie the game, right? I think it was. Yes, it was a big run, yeah. And, but, you know, ultimately, they did what they had to do, you know? Pitchers in this league still make mistakes. And we saw it last night. He had thrown, the Pye Arms had been dirty. He'd been throwing that fastball, the couple of different fastballs, made the mistake with the breaking ball and it got hit into the crone zone. Yeah. You know, listen to Padres, this is kind of what they've been doing all year long. Yeah, they're gonna win tonight for sure. 'Cause they gotta get to 500. They're gonna get back to 500. And then, you know, we'll take our chances from there. See what happens after that. Yeah. But listen, that's, that's, I think, you know, ultimately, if we're being serious and I know you guys brought up the playoffs up time and if we're being serious about that, that is the starting point. You get to 500. Do a lot of, a lot of good things can happen for you. As long as you're there, just a little bit above. Yeah, I mean, no team has really taken hold, you know, of that fifth and sixth playoff spot. And it's early, as you keep saying, but, you know, I wouldn't mind being the team that takes a hold on one of those spots, right? I mean, win 10 out of 12. I keep begging for it, but I guess I'll continue to beg. It was an interesting game in a lot of ways last night. And I know that Croninworth is the, you know, the heroic finish to the game. Everyone's gonna remember Tatisa's home run, which almost knocked the scoreboard down in left field. I mean, absolutely a missile. Manny, you know, gets the home run the opposite way. Hits another couple of balls hard. And we're, you know, of course everybody's hoping that that signals that these two guys are, well, Fernando's been doing it for a little while, but hopefully Manny's gonna join him there. But to me, baseball always comes down, not always, but a lot of times, and especially a one run game, comes down to plays that are made and plays that are not made. And that doesn't mean an error. It just means the top of the first inning when Manny makes an unbelievable stab on a shot down the line. Croninworth digs out his throw, a rise digs out that throw. You couldn't get a better double play in terms of three guys all making great plays. Now, how many runs did that save? I mean, bases loaded one out, the kid on the mound. Milwaukee might have scored six, seven runs in that inning if they don't make that play, but instead they only get one. And then in the bottom of the first, Terrain kicks the ground ball. There's no error because you can't assume a double play, but Manny should have really never gotten a chance to bat, but he did. And that's, that to me is the difference in the game, right there in the first inning. So that's, that's how it works in the big leagues. Plays that are made, plays that are not made. And when you're on, when you're in one of those games, and it doesn't mean that there's going to be a play not made or a play made. But if you're in one of those games, and you end up not making one, and then in the very, or you end up making a play and in the very next inning, the other team doesn't make one. - Right. - That, that a lot of times is the difference in the ball game. - Yeah, gotta give the Padres credit 'cause they took full advantage of the opportunity, right? Manny, that's all, that's something they've been better at this year. - Yes. - A lot better this year. 'Cause remember last year they were having these same opportunities, and none of them seemed like they happened. At least until like the last two weeks of season when they ran off however many straight things went. - Yeah. Well, anyway, look, it was a, it was a game that I, you know, felt was important to win because they did a lot of things really well. And had they let it slip away, you know, this would have been one of those ones that hurt a little extra. But, you know what they did in, and I know that Estrada kind of gets on the hook a little for, well, he gave up the lead in the ninth, then Suarez wasn't available. Well, guess what? Estrada was pitching in his third game in a row, and he was willing to step up, and I don't think he took one for the team necessarily, Tony, but somebody had to pitch that ninth inning, and he got through it, kept him tied, and, you know, he got a lot of credit from his manager after that game for being willing to step up in that situation. And I think that's important to note. - He definitely, I mean, this is the kind of, these are the things that sometimes gets out of my skin, right? 'Cause I can already guarantee what would have happened if he would have been like, I can't go today. - Yeah. - We would have been all over him. I mean, maybe not as much Suarez, because I think he's bought himself, you know, some equity by showing up in the eighth inning on multiple occasions. But that would have been what people, the gripe was. And so, instead, he goes out there probably hanging, you know, because I think he threw, he wasn't like he threw like four pitches on those other two appearances. He threw about, I think it was like 15 and 18. - Yeah, right. - And those two previous appearances. And, you know, he didn't have his best stuff, and then it showed. And so, he did take, he did step out there and try to step up for his team. It didn't work out. Padre still picked him up on the backside though. - Yeah, I appreciate Estrada last night. And, you know, let's also mention that he accomplished something last night that had never been done before. - I know, three strikes right now. - He struck out all three outs were strikeouts last night. It's the third day in a row that he did that. No one has ever done that in history. This guy's done two things with strikeouts in the last month that have never before been done. So, not too accomplished last night. - He struck out the side for third consecutive appearance. - Oh! - Third day in a row. - He loves the strikeout record. - He struck out three in a row on Tuesday. - Tuesday. - Three in a row on Wednesday. - Okay. - And then the same yesterday. - Nice. - So he's doing things with that strikeout that are impressive. It was the other couple of things that I noticed about the game last night, Tony. Well, first of all, the Jackson Merrill thing is a weird statistic. I get it, you know, he's 21, 22, and the young guy, center field, six home runs, and eight games. But I think that, to me, that would be something you could cherish. When they put up on the scoreboard that you're now the only guy to do something along with Willie Mays. I got a kick out of that. And, you know, what Jackson Merrill's doing right now is beyond what a lot of people expect that he was gonna do. And, you know, give this young guy a lot of credit. He continues to just keep an even, steady pace about himself. But his confidence has got to be growing. - Yeah, in terms of the record, I mean, that's something certainly Jackson should cherish. - Yeah, exactly. - For the rest of us, I don't know that it really is all that. It's a weird stat, it's just not a lot of 20-year-olds playing in the big leagues A, and certainly not a lot of them hitting home runs. So he should 100% cherish that, and that's something he should talk about forever. - Right. - But I mean, for me, he's still just being Jackson. You know, he's just out there. He's now, he's hit a few more home runs, which is kind of, you know, open more people to what he's been doing, frankly, all season long. And he's just adding the homer to it. I mean, he still is doing, you know, what he's done all season long. He's right between about 275, 285. He's just kind of shifting back and forth in that area. Never going too low, never going too high. He's just steady. And that's, you know, that's a huge compliment for a 20, 21-year-old kid, playing in the big leagues, learning a new position. He's, you can make the argument, he has been the most consistent player, maybe outside of Jerrickson all season long. - Yeah. - Like no one has been as consistent. - Right. - Like Jackson has. - He's been doing it, right? I mean, you just kind of put him in the lineup and forget about it and he does his thing. So the other thing that was interesting last night that I saw Kevin AC pointed out in his notes column today, the one player in Major League Baseball who strikes out the least also walks the least. That player is Luis Arise and he did both things last night. He struck out and walked. Now the walk in the first inning, get the, this is his first walk in 51 at bats, our plate appearances, and I was thinking about it, this is not because he doesn't have a good eye Tony or any of that, it's because he hits the ball at times. He never, he never swings and misses so the ball, the count never gets deep against him, you know. - This for me is not a big deal. I mean, this is what I grew up, watched my dad do strike out a lot, he didn't walk a lot. - Yeah, right. - It has nothing to do with anything other than they put the ball in play. They got great bat to ball skill. And so pitches that a lot of guys would swing and miss that. I saw, I see, I have a stat I had yesterday sent to me that Luis has the highest percentage of swings of pitches out above the zone, but he also has missed them the least of anybody in the game. - He doesn't miss anything. - He just doesn't miss. He expands, his expansion of the zone is different than everybody else's because his intent is different than everybody else's when he's expanding the zone. So yeah, man, he's just, he's a, you can make the mistake of kind of like being whole hum about Luis, 'cause now we're getting to see him every day. And he pretty much is gonna get two knocks a day as it seemed. And you could make the mistake of just kind of being bored with that, I advise you not, there aren't, there isn't. You know, part of the defense would be, they're lucky, they get two guys actually in the lineup that are doing, they're just, are unicorns in terms of average and what they're doing in this game right now. - Yeah, well, it's fun and it's fun when it comes in a win and I sold out crowd last night and, you know, it was a great, great evening at the ballpark. Now, real quick, Tony, before you got to get going and get ready for the broadcast, the morning show got into it with, not got into it, just mentioned the topic. That's a better way of saying it with Mike Shilt. And his ejection from the game on Sunday, was it? In New York? - I think it was Sunday. - Last Sunday, yeah. You got ejected after Manny Machado struck out. Now the John Boy, what is it, a website or Twitter account? - He's just, yeah, he's like a baseball content guy. - Right, but this guy is the master at reading lips, basically, and he puts out content that shows arguments like Shilt had with the umpire that day and he fills in what we can't hear by reading lips and turned out that Mike Shilt went out that day and asked to be thrown out of the game. Said, basically, I need to be thrown out of the game. - According to the lip reading, like-- - According to the lip reading, right. - Yes, that's right. - And the umpire said, well, all right, do your thing. Like, go crazy, and Mike Shilt, right, and Mike Shilt said, I don't really feel like doing all that, according to the lip reading. And he said, just, you know, I need to get kicked out here and finally got kicked out. So Tony, this is much ado about nothing in a lot of ways, if you ask me, because I think managers have been doing this forever, haven't they? - Yes, they have. Every time a manager goes out there, they're not always irate and actually upset. A lot of times they have to defend their player. And, you know, sometimes there's really not much else on the bone to say, right? I mean, man, he let my man know what his issue was with his strike zone. - Yeah. - Yeah, he let him know in a very... - Poistrous way. - Poistrous way, there you go. And so at that point as a manager, you're coming out there to protect your guy. Do you really need to elaborate on what Manny just said? If you already know, like, it's been taken care of, like, so you're out there, you can just go out there, you can go back, or you can, you know, push him to eject you. And that's what he tended to do. That has been happening for a very long time. We just didn't have lip readers in your mouth. - To do it, looking at everything you're saying. - Right, the question now becomes, are managers gonna have to start going out to the umpire and cover their mouth when they argue with umpires? - They're gonna have to, like, put their arm around them and, like, cut them out that way so that no one can ever see it. - Yeah, might change the way things are handled. This hour in '97 through the fan brought to by the San Diego County Fair, let's go retro. San Diego County Fair, now through July 7th. The magic of the Midway, live concerts, nostalgic celebration of fashion culture, and more by your tickets now online. And learn more on what's happening at SDfair.com. Gwen and Chris, that's happening. First hour in the books, more to come on '97 through the fan. (upbeat music) You don't just live in your home. You live in your neighborhood as well. So when you're shopping for a home, you wanna know as much about the area around it as possible. 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