[Music] Hey what's going on guys welcome to Hobbie Homies where you're a weekly wargam and wargam podcast, is that what I say? [Laughter] I'm trying this fox that's churchy without a beard. We need to see it. He's just a giant thumb behind it. With his beanie on. He's got his paint and nails. Yeah. Yeah. It's a table like two weeks. It's a tabletop podcast. And I just forget every time and board games. It's written right over there. Oh yeah but you've become so good that you haven't needed it but at least it's still there. We have one week off and I've reverted back to season two. That's crazy dude. That is crazy. It's probably some kind of disorder. What are we talking about? We're talking about Warhammer 40k. Everyone's favorite game. Wow. Sound more enthused. I cannot. We're actually talking about why we no longer play 40k. Yeah. And a few proposals on how we would fix it if we were to cater a game. If they could lend us their ear. Yeah. They could whisper sweet nothings through their ear. And how to fix this game. This is what we would tell them. We would offer them that. But first I want a disclaimer. Oh yeah. As we have to. Okay. These are just our two big morons with smooth brains. Opinions. And churchy. And churchy. I don't like a certain company. Very much. But I'm not. But I'm not. That's why I'm in the void. You really get an opinion? No. Your opinion is void. Oh well. Welcome everyone. I'm here all night. Yeah. So this is just our opinions. And it's important to remember something. Two people can have the exact same experience. And have two very different opinions about that experience. And neither of them are wrong. Okay. For example. You might say this miniature has so many cool details on it. I love how detailed it is. And I might be like this miniature is so overdone. Yeah. There's so much details on here. It's unnecessary. It's gaudy. You're talking about the blade guard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And stuff like that. Right. Some people might say seventh edition had of Warhammer had the most depth and character to the rules. And they'd be right. And some people would say it was bloated and too complicated and unnecessarily layered. Same thing. They'd be completely wrong. Yeah. Sure. Anyway. So what I'm saying is we also want to know your opinion on these things. Yeah. Why? If you have stopped playing 40K. Why? If you love it. Why? But first Shane, when I was talking about the idea of this episode. Yeah. You said I can name the exact moment I stopped playing 40K. I do. I know the pinpoint in my space time location. Wow. Right to the. You know, where you will. Language. Language. Yeah. Yeah. You really have references from minutes ago. Please tell me about your longer to attitude. All right. So it was the moment that I bought. I think this was the end of. Hang on. You were so confident. Seventh edition. All right. Pariah Nexus. Yeah. Book. Yeah. Pariah. They had three that had like psychic awakening. Right. That was the whole. I feel like that was the end of eighth. Whatever. Yeah. End of eighth. Yeah. End of seventh doesn't make any sense because that's literally when we started playing. It is not when we stopped. It was the end of eighth. Yeah. Because then came the Necron box. Anyway. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. It was when I bought the Pariah book because I had the new rules for Necrons and it was like three pages. Yeah. And it was a full price book. Yeah. And it was 17 dollars or 60 dollars or whatever it was at the time. And when I purchased that and opened it and I'm like, this is all. This was the whole Necron thing, right? Yeah. The new Illuminor Seras. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Model. That was where his rules were. And everything else for Necrons. And then that was it. And I'm just like. Yeah. This. This right here. Was that like sort of your moment where you said to yourself, this could have just been a white dwarf. And the reasons they made this a full book instead of a white dwarf is now obvious to me and just I'm not about that. Bro, it could have been a fucking PDF online. A PDF file. It could have been a dot dot or a PDF file. Another reference to five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of probably pretty hard to follow because a lot of that stuff happens on camera. When were you getting the old patron behind the scenes camera? Yeah. Sure. It's over there. But you can use it for other things. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That could have been a Warhammer community article dude. It could have been anything but it had to be a full price book that was just. And also obsolete in like a month or two. It was. Because it came out right before eighth where it was like. Sorry. Right before ninth where it was like. You can use your old codex and stuff. But also when the new one comes out. Sorry. Yep. No longer relevant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like obviously since then I've bought the models from, you know, multiple boxes. Right. Yeah. So, you can buy the models but not play the game. Yeah. For sure. For sure. For sure. So that's. Yeah. That was just. That was it. You go. That was it. No, no, no, no. So yours was your first point. One reason you stop playing was actually less about the game itself and more about a decision the company made and that kind of. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. That'll serve us well later on. Well, if I can think of a game related. Well, I guess game related. I just feel like. We are playing so many games right now. Yeah. That if we were to play 40k, we would do it quite casually. Yeah. AKA maybe once a month if we were hyped for it. You know, if we address the things we'll talk about later on and we magically fix this game and made it for us. Sure. And we played it once a month. That's probably where we cap out. Yep. Because then we want to play another game on the other two or three weeks ago. And there's so many games that we touch on these days too, like. Yeah. We touch a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. Games included. And so I just I don't think 40k is made for casual players. No. And I say that because a they're monetarily the least useful to games workshop. Sure. Because they they would buy models and play it so infrequently that they're not constantly on the cycle. Yeah. So, but I also think if you're playing once a month, the rules move so quickly. Yep. That you're constantly going to be in a position where your rule knowledge is out of date. So you're adding that whole intro to the game time. You can't just pick it up and put it on and play using the rules that you learned last month. Or maybe you can, but then the month after that, like, Oh, hey, there's a new supplement, a new codecs, a new mission pack, a new something chapter approved. Yeah, exactly. There's a new something that means you are not playing the newest version of the game and you have to go buy that thing. And you're like, if I'm buying even just one book, let's just say a $90 book every year, and I'm only playing 10 games a year. Suddenly, I'm paying $9 per game per game. Yeah. On top of the book. Yeah, exactly. Codexes and rule books. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's like there are so many layered rules that if you're having to learn new ones or you're playing casually against an opponent who's in the same boat between the two of you, you spend more time relearning your armies than you spend actually playing the game. Yeah. And I think we'll talk about potentially how you would fix that later on, but I just don't think by design, it's made for casual players, especially if you throw in the idea of wanting to maybe twice a year play a little one day tournament. Because when you go into the tournaments, you are required to have the up to date books, usually. Yeah. And you're also on a time limit. Yeah. So suddenly, like, now you're under pressure trying to relearn your rules. And also, you're not up to date with the matter and you're just getting absolutely slammed. It's so stressful being in that position. Like when we played before that we played the GTO, which was what? Three years ago now? Yeah, we played that one day tournament at Gough Derby. Yeah. And I remember playing against an opponent who was, like, by all means, he was a great, a great bloke. Yeah. But I did not know what I was doing. I did not know my army did not know the rules. And I could say he was getting frustrated, right? Yeah. Because it's eating into the time of the game. Yeah. And like, that is not his fault at all. Like, he was, he never, like, said, you know, come on, do it, hurry up. Yeah. Like, he implied it. Yeah. But like, he did what most, um, polite people would do and sort of just sort of waited. And yeah, it's like a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like, and I'm sitting there, like sweating. Yeah. Because I'm just like, thinking through books. I'm like, oh, no, that's not it. Like, back, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. You pass it like six times in the book. And like, and you, you, you're, you're getting more stress. So you start, like, not even reading, you start just like, your eyes are glazed over you're thinking about how long you're taking. Yeah. And you're like, okay. So, all right. So that weapon is at the back. Oh, but that special rule is in the actual book. Oh, wait. No, that's one of my special guns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And so, and like, not for casual players, not for casual players, who as, and that's a problem too, because the game has no real discerning way to separate casual and competitive play. So when you show up to a three day tournament, you're all thrown in together. And so the chances of you just going, Oh, three, because you made what you wanted a thematic and fun list. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, Oh, I want to take all, I want to take a, yeah, whatever it is. Yeah. To this tournament. And hopefully I'll pick up my rules quick. You know, I've spent all night trying to flick through them. I've done my best. I've made cheat sheets, cheat cards, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. You go there. You get absolutely smacked. All the miniatures you spent hours painting are gone in one or two turns, and you just didn't have a good time. No. Um, until maybe your last game where you've already just been beat down two games. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now you're playing against someone equally mad. Using the same boat as you. Yeah. You just had to have a good time. You're like, now we have to have a good time because the last part of this tournament has been hell. Yeah. You know, especially if you do a two day tournament, but I mean, I wouldn't recommend that for any casual player. I feel like, I don't know, there's going to be some people out there that say like, you know, it can be done casually. They're either geniuses and they just remember all the rules. Yeah. Like Ollie. Yeah. Yeah. We play like one game in a year, but still just remember everything. Um, or they'll say like, Oh, what about, you know, the, um, what was it called? Power level. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was their attempt at more casual sort of atmosphere, right? And they brought that into 10th. Okay. Yeah. And now it's just called points. That's kind of how points were like, you just pay points. And that's what you bring. And so that's great. But when I think about why do I choose to play one page rules over 40k? The main thing is when you jump into one page rules, you go on their free list builder. You can put in any unit, any combination you want. You tick competitive validation. So, you know, you're playing a nice match battle. Yeah. Well, as best they can. Yeah. And then you print that list onto cards and that has all the rules printed down the bottom of the pages for you. Yep. And then when you need to reference, what does this gun do? Or just down there on my page, or if you're using the app, you click it and it pops up. Yeah. That's what this thing is. Yeah. Hey, what's the tough three? Okay. It means that's three wounds. Sweet. None clicking through pages. Yeah. And so I'm like the accessibility and the casual nature of that. Faster passes. That's all the things that is the barrier for me playing 40k is that I would have to jump in now with my neckrons. The amount of stuff I would have to buy just to play a game. Yeah. And then use the list builder that I would need to have the purchase the $90 codecs to import the code in so that I have access to the unit so I can build the list. Yeah. No, thank you. You play a game that maybe I don't even like this edition. Yeah. That's just to play. I haven't even played yet. I don't know what my stuff does. Yeah. So anyways, that's my biggest gripe is just how quickly the rules move. But not so much that more the monetary value tied to how quickly the rules move. Sure. Instead of releasing it as just like a, you know, quarterly update. Yeah. With a free errata. Yeah. It's like, yeah, he's a new book or something. Yeah. And like they do do update. They do do updates, but that's just like a small drop in the pond of everything else you need to be able to play. So yeah, that was another barrier for me. Yeah. Another thing that stopped me playing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The price of the plastic is getting pretty up there too, right? Sure. Yeah. We talked about the Scavenside Box coming out for Aegis Sigma, which was what retails $450. Yep. I remember when the first edition of Aegis Sigma came in on that box was $200. Yeah. Granted, you get more models now, but not twice as many. So, and like in my head, I go, I feel like those boxes are the only time I can really afford to buy in. Yeah. Like actually justify the purchase, right? Like, yeah. Cause $450 is ridiculous. Yeah. But also the Pariah Nexus box was like $450. You remember that? That was like, was that sisters? It was sisters V Necrons? Oh, didn't you? And you got crap all on a bit of like weird scatter terrain. Oh, yeah. Isn't that a kill team box? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. But surely that wasn't $450. I could have been. Anyways, 350. It's usually been $450. Less 20% if you buy it from a local game, you saw the price matches or whatever. Yeah. What's that come down to? It's 10% of $450, $45. So now you got it down to like $360. Yeah. You only wanted to buy half. So you split it with your friends. Now you're talking about like 180. Yeah. But then like who gets a rule book? Who gets a terrain? You can have a shit. So 180 for what you get in there. That's okay. When I think of terrible prices, I think of you can go and back Fjord Serpents for like $140 Australian dollars now. Sure. We could buy like three space marines. Yeah. Or like three of the old world nights. Well, it's just stuff like that. Okay. Yeah. Three models or an entire game. Yeah. Three models by the biggest company that can scale and pump out these pieces of plastic. Or like any game by an indie designer out of Australia. That's your choice. That's on you. But your eyes pretty up there. The price is getting pretty crazy. Yeah. It's up there. Yeah. Yeah. So is that your probably your second thing that's stopping you? It's another big barrier that I have. I went to a couple of hobby shops today and I glanced at their 40k oil. Yeah. I didn't stop to pick up anything. Yeah. I saw the back of the boarding actions kill team box with all the terrain. Yeah. What was that? Three, three, three or something. Yeah. And I'm just like, yeah. Okay. That's what the sticker on the back. I'm like, yep. Yeah. Cool. Yep. It's good for that person that likes that. Yeah. I don't know. Like I bought like a night bringer the other week when I was in Sydney because they had it. Right. It was a model that like is normally one of those you can only buy off the web store kind of things. Sure. And I think that was 70 bucks or something like that. Yeah. For just the one model. Yeah. But it was kind of like, um, in Sydney, it's not normally a shelf. You know, I've made all these like mental excuses. Yeah. It wasn't just a straight up. Yep. I'll get that. Yeah. Like where you could with the box of anything else. Yeah. And like even the, even the prices that they've gone up obviously every year, every year they've up the price. But I remember and this isn't even that long ago that I bought, this is probably two years ago, I bought 16 crude, the old carnivore kit for 55 bucks. And now it's 10 for 84. Sure. Or is that the 20% price? You know, so it's like, it's not even, you know, we're talking about price. And yes, Warhammer has always been expensive, retrospectively to its competitors, which didn't exist really. Yeah. And for what it is, I treat it kind of like Lego. I say, it's a hobby like Lego. It's got a big price. There's one company that does it well, really well. Or in the case of Lego, that's the case. But in games, we're trying to make a blocks, mega blocks, yeah, Jupo, Jupo, you know, they're still like a set above everyone else and it is expensive. Those Lego kits are expensive. But like you can buy one, build it, put it up there. Yeah. And that's kind of the enjoyment out of it. Whereas like, you need so much more than one box. Yeah. To play 40K. It's intended to be played at 2K. You need to spend $1,000 on that army, not including paints, books, nothing. So, yeah, that price is great. And that's if you want just one army and never to change it. That's always been a thing, right? Where I like, I thought about it too in a way. It's like, yes, I'm paying, you know, X amount for this box of units, but I'll paint them and then I'll get, you know, 100 hours of enjoyment out of them over their lifespan, right? Yeah. When you think about all the games you'll play and everything like that. But then you see what they do with like all the ages, Sigma models. Now models aren't even six years old. Sorry, you can't even play them in our game anymore. Yeah. It's like, yeah, okay, some of them were going to make new sculpts. Yeah. But all of these that came out four years ago or five years ago, whatever it was. Yeah. Yeah. So you're saying you can't even rely on that aspect of it where you're like, oh, at least over the life, I'll get X amount of hours out of it. Yeah. In that system, in the 40K system, who knows what's going to happen, man? Yeah. Maybe, you know, in two years time, they're going to say like, hey, you know, all those cool deathguard models you got back when Dark Imperium came in. Yep. Sorry. You can't play them anymore. Yeah, they're gone. I don't know what to say. They're gone. You know? Yeah. Well, those phobos marines. Nah, sorry. We now have phibos marines. And they're better. They look the same. Yeah, you wouldn't understand. So that's like, I see the models and I just everything I look at that's Warhammer. I look at how I'm going to use this. It's not Warhammer. Yeah, for sure. That's the best part about Warhammer models. Yeah. Is that they look so great. And I go in, like, if I see cool models come out, my first thought is, damn, that would be perfect for parsecs. Yeah, yeah. That would make a sweet this in my OPR or I can't wait to, like, war surge those up as these things that do this thing. Yeah. So they're just proxy models now. Yeah, exactly. They have become proxy. I am become proxy. And if maybe there's an addition of 40K where they do all the things we'll suggest in a sec, then we can use them for that. Maybe if it hasn't been for six years. My second point, I just want to quickly talk on before we try and fix it. Yeah. Is I, the reason I stopped playing is because to me, it's just not fun. So, like, these are the things that I don't view as fun. I don't think waiting for my opponent to take an hour and a half to have their turn because they're playing a horde army. Yeah. That's not fun. They should be able to play a horde army. Sure. And I don't think it's fun to play the horde army and be taking an hour to do your movement phase. Yeah, because you're sitting there like, oh, man, it's just waiting for me to finish moving all these. And this is just my movement. I haven't even done shooting, whatever. And melee and use all my abilities and stuff. It's not fun having to keep track of all the new rules to me. And it's not fun to see my opponent bring a list that they want to run, but the army that they're playing has a 67% chance win rate. Mine's got a 38. And there's nothing really I can do about that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's not fun having my entire army that I spent hundreds of hours painting blown off the table turn one. Yeah. That works in other games where you can crank out the game an hour and a half. Yeah. All right. Now I'll make sure I don't do that again and I can play again and I can play again. It's exhaust. It's mentally exhausting to go through a full Warhammer game and a lot more times than not. It's just unenjoyable at the moment. Yeah. So the reason I start playing is it's like, why would I have this experience where we're still in this archaic. I do all of my stuff. Yeah. And then if there's anything left of you, you do your stuff. Yeah. And then we just slog it out and have these long breaks where I'm just watching you play. Mm-hmm. It's like watching you make playing Nintendo. You're like, God, I hope you die soon so you can hand me the controller. Yeah. It's like that. But why would I play that when there are other games where we can interact back and forth because they know that a thing called alternate activations exist. Yep. And sick of people treating Warhammer like a Yu-Gi-Oh game where they just look at the stats and the combos and the numbers and they go, here's how I can make the most busted thing so I can win all my games. Yeah. Yeah. And just keep completely disregarding the flavor and the lore and the character that this game has. Yep. Yep. So I see, like, it used to be a thing that people said in seventh at the end. And I remember this because when I got into it, I was like, oh, I don't know. I think the rules are pretty good. Anyway, they said people come for the miniatures, stay for the lore and endure the rules. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I feel like that has worked for years because we had to endure the rules. Now we don't have to. So people like you and me, we're out for now. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Having said all that, if you could wave a magic wand, what things do you think, if they did it tomorrow, you'd be like, yeah, I'll give 40K a crack. That interests me. Well, you touched on it briefly, but also any activations is king. We know that from all of the games we've been playing. It's really all of them. I can't think of a game that we've played recently that hasn't had alternate activations. The only games that can do it and it works are like skirmish games. I feel like. Alternate activations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like not doing alternate activations. You've got like activation points. You might have seven on your turn. If you've got seven units in your army, kind of. Yeah. And so you use all seven. Sure. But that's not that many. But there's moments where your opponent can sort of interact. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. But also it never feels like your opponent's having their entire turn. Yeah. Because they'll quickly combo up three things from this unit. Sure. Two from another, two from another, turns done. It's more like, oh, you did two or three. Yeah. And I'll do one or two or three or whatever. So. Yeah. Yeah. War surge has a different kind of alternating activations. Yeah. Which is at the first, I thought, oh, I don't know if I do that. But after playing it, I'm like, oh, that's cool. That works. Because it's like you do all of your movement. Yeah. It's like phases. Yeah. And then you do all of your movement. Yeah. Then I do all of my. That was the, um, the beginner mode of war surge. The advanced mode illuminates that and you use activation point or activation points. Basically, like you have actions, I should say. Oh, sure. So it's like you can then you move and then shoot or, you know, move and then do something else. Yeah. Interesting. So, but. So other people have done other things that are not just your old war game, old school. I have my entire turn. Yep. You go. I go. Yeah. You go have a beer. Yeah. Yeah. Keep it in. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you would just, if they said, oh, hey, we're changing it to alternate activations tomorrow, is that enough for you to jump in? I don't even know, dude. Or is there something else they got to do? I just feel like it's just been, it's just been a bad relationship for so long. Yeah. And like, and like they can post as much, you know, beach pics on Instagram as they want and tag themselves at all these nightclubs. But I'm not slipping into those DMs. Right. I've been there. I've had that bad relationship with Warhammer. Yeah, of course. Of course. You know, like they can thirst as much as they want, dude. I'm not. You're saying they send, they send you nudes out of nowhere. Warhammer could send me butthole pics and I'm not demon. I don't believe that. That's cap. I'm sorry. I know you. No cap. That's cap. No cap. You're not speaking facts. You're wearing a big old cap. Yeah, fair enough. You know what I mean? Like it's just been, it's too little, too light. Yeah. I think maybe 11th edition, I don't know. Yeah. Who's the main protagonist for 11th them in? Yeah, I think the thing that would get me in, like interested in playing again, is if they just did free rules, you can have your shitty app. Yep. And you can make me spend $10 a month on it. And I'm gonna, if doing that allows me to list, build and have access to every rule. And then, and then the casual player, that's everything that's good about OPI, the casual player in six months from now can be like, Oh, I don't know what, I don't know what 40k is up to. Yeah. Oh wait, yes, I do because I have the most updated version on my phone. Yeah. Oh, I haven't, oh, hang on, let me hit the sub button, 10 bucks. Okay, I can build my list. Yeah. And you know what, like, people are gonna go, Oh, yeah, but they're, you know, they've got to make money because they're publicly traded company. Yeah. It was shareholders and whatnot. I think that's gonna make them way more money because, yeah, they're not selling books that people already pirate and go to Wikipedia and build lists. Yeah. I don't know if people use BattleScribe anymore, but maybe, maybe. But how crazy is it that up until recently, it was like, Hey, this is what you need to play Warhammer. You need to go to Wikipedia. You need to download BattleScribe, which has the latest rules from there. You can print your list and then you buy models and your paints and stuff. That's how you play for free. That's how you play Warhammer. That's how people would just say that you played because you're like, Oh, no, you don't want to buy the Kodak's like yours has already been out for a year. This is probably a new one coming soon. Yeah. Probably got a supplement on the way. Yeah. So if they just did that, I reckon they would have twice as many people playing, like all your casual people would just be like, Oh, what? The rules are free. I just buy this tenderl out in a month. Yeah. Okay. I'll spend 10 bucks. Give it a go. They'll love it. I, I expect. And then they'll buy some more miniatures. And so you'll be making, I think you would make more money that way. Yeah. Then making people pay for a thing that they are only buying because they need it to play the game, not because they want it. Yeah. Yeah. You can still have Codexes and say, Hey, there's law hobby staff painting guides. Yeah. Yeah. And see the value to buy if you want to buy it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Which, and you'd still sell them. I think so. Yeah. Sure. You'll sell less because it's not mandatory. Yeah. But you're still going to be sold. Yeah. You know, making your collectors edition ones and, and you know, all that sort of stuff where the fancy covers and all that. But yeah, but just let people have access to see if they're going to even like an army. Yeah. That's it. Like, everyone looking at Eldar for so long, I want to see what their rules are like. Yeah. Oh, cool. This, this looks fun. Yeah. I'll go and buy that Combat Pro box. That's crazy right now that if you jump online, if you go to 40k, if you want to get into 40k and you're like, Oh, you go on the website and you're like, Oh, these things look cool. What do they do? You have no idea. No. No way of knowing if this is something that you actually want. There's a play style that you want. Yep. Your, the games workshop stores are relying you to go in there, to flick through their codecs. You tell them about it. But if you don't have one locally. Yeah. And you have to buy online. You just got to like Google and jump on Wikipedia. Maybe you try and watch a bat rep, if you like, but even then they don't really go into detail. Yeah. And then you're just like, Okay. So for an hour and a half, I've researched and I've discovered I don't like this unit under the next one. Yeah. How many of these? Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. So I think, I think if they did those two things, alternating activations so that you're constantly doing something. Yeah, more engagement free up to date, downloadable, not even free, like $10 a month. You have your subscription. I know that's what they want is everyone on pseudo subscriptions. Do it. $10 a month. That's still like $120 a year. If someone's actively playing, they're probably spending just as much money. Yeah. But they're getting so much more value. And now they can see other codecs. Yeah. And they're like, Oh, now I can go buy this and this because I know what it does. And I'm in them. I'm in them. I'm having fun. I can help my friends to play. Introducing your friends. This game right now sucks. You wouldn't bother. You would be like, Oh, you need to spend thousands of dollars to start. Yep. You would just be like, Oh, I'll just play one page rules. It's all free. Yeah. Yeah. Pick some models off or five bucks a month from Patreon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the biggest thing for me is the rules and having to pay for all the auxiliary stuff unnecessarily that should have been digital years ago that other games that make less money. Who don't turn over 400 million annually are doing. So anyways, that's how I fix it. No, that you've summed it up. Okay. You said a good earlier on. You're saying that they're hanging onto these very archaic systems. Yeah. And like things like the whole, yeah, the semi digital, but still quite analog. It's like it's digital, but you also have to have bought the physical thing to import digitally. Yeah. So that you can then throw out that book. Yeah. Yeah. You're buying that. What are they? 94 bucks or something now? Yeah. For that body 10 digit code. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like I'm not, I understand that it's a soulless company whose goal is to make money. And so although I am jaded with a lot of their complete disrespect for customers at times, if they were to change those things, make the rules free. Alternate activations is a nice twist. I would probably just start playing it. Sure. Maybe. If it's like choose between supporting this company that raised their price and said it was due to inflation to cover costs who made 400 million or support one page rules like a smaller company who it built itself off the back of being fed up. Well, not GW, like just being GW, but not shitty. Yeah. Yeah. I probably choose to support that if the game is just as good to play. Yeah. So they got a lot of work to do that. But that's just us. These are our opinions. We've played a lot of Warhammer, but we've also, I think the biggest thing it played a lot of other games. Yeah. And they're honestly for us so much more fun. Yeah. If you have only ever played Warhammer and there are people like you out there. Yeah. That was us. That was us before we started the podcast. There are other things. And we have that on our channel. Yeah. There's so many other games out there that are just worth a shot. Like, yeah, give it a go without without like branching out and playing all these different games. I don't even know if I'd still be in the hobby, dude. Yeah, that's about other games. Yeah. If it was just Warhammer, I probably would have given up. Yeah, I agree. If we weren't doing this podcast. Yeah. And there was just Warhammer, I would be just playing video games again. Yeah. And I'd have a bunch of fun painted minis up on the shelf. Yeah. And every time I try to get in, we'd be met with the same barriers. Oh, you need the new codecs. Yeah. And the rules and this supplement. Every year that we go, oh, maybe we should get women's like, oh, cool, more like more balls. Okay. $300 just to see if I like the game. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. That's us. That's why we're not playing it at the moment. We'll never say never. Just like we once upon a time said, 40k will always be our main jam. We said that. We said that repeatedly. That's all we said. I don't believe you. Yeah. I'll just listen to anything. Anything we said in season one. People change, taste change, and you might have been in our shoes and now you're back playing 40k and maybe something about 10th edition rope. Do you want to let us know what it is? Yeah. Let us know in the comments for this video. Check out our discord. Let us know in the discord. We've got a 40k channel where it's mostly people posting their hobby, but that's fine. Game, game talk in there. Oh, yeah. I can't remember the last time I've ever been game talking. No, to be honest. That's a great point. But we would love you to jump in there. Give us some game talk. Let us know. Just because we said we currently don't like it. Playing it doesn't mean we're not interested in it. Oh, no, of course. So bring it on. Let us know. Yep. So links to all of our stuff on hobby homies.com. Yep. We also have a PO box. If you want to send us anything physical. Yeah. Some archaic reason. Like a codex. Like a codex. There's 7th edition, Peter Box 43, Lara, Victoria, 3, 2, 1, 2. Fox, he stopped asking for junk. I just assume it's common. Give me the junk. I'm filtering it. Yeah, I was like, and I haven't said much about my junk recently. It's junk, dude. You don't want it. Is it in your trunk? How much junk is in your trunk? That's what I want to know. Enough. That's not cap. It's cap dude. It's cap dude. It's cap. Massive. Thank you to our patrons. That's all I was going to say. I was going to say. We also have a patron for us. $2 a month. $20 a month to get a job selling it. Yeah. I mean, if you like the show, support us, if you don't. Thanks for hanging around. There are other ways to support us as well besides monetarily. You can use our affiliate links in the description where a sale at no extra cost to you. A little bit goes our way. We've got ones for drive-through RPG, war game vault, and Ozz, war gaming, 10% off with our code in the description for 3D printer miniatures and terrain. 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