The Dan Scott Show Podcast

Dan Scott Show, Radio Episode 83 - Tim Kimsey (8-4-24)

Tim Kimsey's grandmother was murdered 30 years ago, and the case remains unsolved despite the efforts of the wonderful Kelly Siegler and her Cold Justice TV show. But Kimsey's path to ministry started because of the tragedy, and what God has done in his life and through his kingdom work over the years can only be described as a Romans 8:28 story. Check it out!

Duration:: 54m
Broadcast on:: 04 Aug 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

The following program is a presentation of Grand Slam Ministries. [music] It is the 83rd episode of what I still consider to be a new venture. The Dan Scott Show. Welcome everybody. It's good to have you in with us for another week. We are presented as always by our 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization Grand Slam Ministries. I hope and pray that you have had a fantastic week. If you have, we'll try not to mess it up. If you have it, maybe we can provide you with a little bit of a lift. And as always, we hope to learn something we did not know by the time the show was over and that always starts here in the host chair. We have a good interview for you today as we continue our summer replay series. I'll tell you, we're a couple of weeks away from getting back into brand new shows, but continuing our summer replay series, going to revisit a talk that we did back in early April with a gentleman by the name of Tim Kimsey. He is a pastor of a church in Tennessee and his story was featured on a recent episode of cold justice, revisiting the unsolved murder of his grandmother about 30 years ago. And while that remains an unsolved crime, what that incident did in Tim's life and how it has spurred him into the ministry is something that only God can orchestrate. So we're going to revisit that conversation on this week's edition of The Dan Scott Show. Tim Kimsey will be our guest, but first as always, I want you to hear something about Grand Slam Ministries. Here at Grand Slam Ministries, our goal is to share the love of Jesus Christ through multiple platforms while at the same time executing our core missions of mentorship and helping children in need. The primary way we can effectively do all of those things is through The Dan Scott Show, our weekly Christian radio show that airs in multiple markets around the nation and the world. 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Just a reminder that everything we do can be found at Danscottshow.org. You can access the affiliates and archives page to find out when the show airs live on a radio station in your area, or you can always catch the podcast archive. It's put up every Sunday afternoon, and it's all there going back to the very first show we did. So, Danscottshow.org, Grand Slam Ministries, is a page at that site. We would encourage you to go check it out, and you can always drop us a line, Dan@danscotshow.org. As mentioned, our summer replay series continues with Tim Kimsey this week, whose story was featured on cold justice back in April. His grandmother's murder is still unsolved, but as my family and I have found out over the last six months, even in the midst of tragedy, there are those Romans 828 moments. We started the interview, though, by talking about a great friend that we have in common. There are no coincidences with God, and we're going to get to how you and I got in contact with one another. But I just find it interesting that having never met, having no idea who you were until I saw the cold justice episode, it turns out that you and I have a great friend in common, a guy by the name of George Quarles, who was a legendary high school football coach in Maryville, right close to where you are, and your sons, I think, played for him. And of course, he played football at Furman University and was an assistant coach for us for a number of years before moving on, where I'm the director of broadcasting and the radio play by play voice. So I just found it interesting that among everything else that God lined up for this, we've got a mutual friend in common. Yeah, George is an awesome, awesome coach. There's no telling how many lives he's touched these young men and helping them to become responsible and as well as helping them to become more of an athlete and to help them to get to the next level of life, George Quarles is a great, great guy and certainly knows his business of football. And I've often said, you know, if we could get to our university over here to take a second look at George Quarles, we might have a better program. But yeah, George has been special, he's been a special friend to our boys, both my boys played a ball and have several rings of state championships on the mantle, both boys. So we're excited, he also let me come and cook for the guys and stuff whenever we'd get into the playoffs and do breakfast and stuff for the team and things like that. But yeah, George Quarles tops in our book. One of the blessings that I have is, although I work in a four university that is highly liberal and highly secular, there are a lot of good Christian people embedded in various departments of the university, a lot of them in the athletic department and George is one of those and the four or five years that I got to spend with him, what was just a blessing to get to know the kind of man he was, not just the football coaching legend, but the kind of man that he is and that to me that's more impressive than any list of state championships you can win and goodness knows he's won a bunch. Yes. Oh my goodness. What a record. Yep. All right. So you and I had never met and technically we've still never met in person. This is the first time via zoom we've seen each other face to face, but I saw your story or more appropriately, I guess your grandmother's story on a television show that my wife and I watch called cold justice in which if a former Texas prosecutor named Kelly Seagler and her team, they go and assist police departments around the country trying to solve cold cases and your grandmother's case was one of those. And the show aired just toward the end of March before even get into the nuts and bolts of the case. I'm just wondering what we get a an image of somebody on television and you never know what they're like in real life. The impression I have of Kelly Seagler is that she is intent on doing the best job she can when she goes into one of these things and she is a genuine person hard-nosed, but genuine. You dealt with her personally. Is my impression of her correct? I'd say you're pretty close to being spot on. She's tough. I'm very and you know, in this same time, I believe that's what we need. We need people that are direct. We never get to where we need to be, especially in cases like my grandmother's without being direct and forthright to the business of it. And she was, I mean from the very get-go with us and this is what I'd like to accomplish. There's something out there we won't want to try to find it and that's the way they attacked it and they were very methodical. She's very methodical in the way that she does business, but I found them to be very professional in the way that they handle things and you know, I couldn't disagree with the way that they went about things. I mean, they've got to put the pressure on some people. They put the pressure on me. They put the pressure on everybody and I wouldn't expect anything less from people in her category of success. Yeah. Yeah. And we're going to get into a little bit of that. I don't want to focus this whole interview on the case, but I think it's important for background because of where it ultimately led you and your life in ministry now as the pastor of Woodland Park Baptist Church in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. But your grandmother was 80 years old when she was raped and murdered 33 years ago. And you've had to live, Tim, that entire span with of the three people who were considered possible via a viable suspects, two of them are your family members. And that has to be an incredible burden to bear all this time. It is a great burden. You know, the love that we have for our family, and I need to say this too, I had always, you know, they put me down as suspecting my brother as being, you know, the one that made possibly had killed my grandmother. And that was not exactly where I was inside of that process with him. I really never felt like that my brother, Dennis, would ever, ever have that capability of doing that because I knew his relationship with our grandmother, much like my relationship and my older brother's relationship. I mean, we all had a very close relationship with Granny, but my contention was the possibility of somebody being around my brother. My brother was in and out of jail, and there was a lot of things that he did that was not good. And I knew that he was capable of a lot of types of things, and I knew the people that he ran with and met a lot of the people that he ran with. And some of those people were evil people, and some of them went to prison with and spent time in jail with, and also, you know, whenever he was into all the things that he was involved with, you know, when he was not in jail. So, but I, you know, they kind of painted me a little bit of a picture that I suspected him of being the one that did that. I really didn't feel as though that he did, but I've always felt that maybe the people someone around him, as far as my cousin, Darren, you know, I'm not sure, you know, my relationship with Darren has been very, I've not had a very strong relationship with him, even though he's my first cousin, but, you know, I've had my questions about whether or not he would have been capable in some areas of, first of all, physically, but just, you know, I just don't know, and of course, to live with both of those situations inside of my life of them being family that we love, we want to support them in any way we can, there's still our family, you know, and it's tough, it's really hard recognizing that. So, it's one of the toughest things that I think a person will ever go through is having someone that you care so deeply about. My brother and I was very close, even though he was, he was a scoundrel, you know, he's blood, you love him. That's right. My dad loved him unconditionally, and I know he probably spent a million dollars on my brother to in and out of jail and fines and lawyers and everything, and he always, always treated him like a prodigal son, that this is the time when he got out of jail or when he went through recovery or when he went through rehab or whatever, this is the time that he's going to get it all right and he's going to get it straight and move forward, and that's kind of the way that, you know, that I had for my brother also, I loved him, of course. I always told him not to come to my house if you're high, I told my wife if he pushes his way in shooting, that's terrible to say that, but you know, he, I knew he was capable of different things and, you know, somebody that's on drugs you never know about. And I had a lot of things in my life surrounding situations with drugs, with different people in ministry and stuff like that, they can, they can become somebody that you don't know. And so anyway, that's kind of my feelings in that. Well, and I'm glad we were able to give you a chance to kind of set that record straight because I know when, know enough about the television industry and especially in this reality TV era that we're in that the producers of the program are going to try to craft something to keep, keep the viewer's attention. And when you and I talked the first time to set this up, you know, it's one of the things you told me was it wasn't exactly accurate. And I think at least in some way, Tim, it did come across as that program went on because more of the focus ultimately went off of Dennis and possibly on to some people that were around him. And while the, the murder of your grandmother, who I want to talk about in just a moment, while it still remains unsolved, is there any piece that by the end of the program they had ruled your brother Dennis out as a suspect? They, they told me point blank that they felt as though that he had personally no involvement with it for him, right, as far as him being cleared, but there was always still the possibility of someone surrounding that, you know, surrounding him. So I mean, they were honest enough, right with me, but it was a huge relief whenever I heard the authorities say, we don't think your brother did this. And it was, it was something that, of course, for the last 30 plus years that you, that you live with that, that you, you know, you think of the worst sometimes, you know, when you're looking at people, I know whenever I preach, you know, I preach, I've said this in my testimony so many times, I preach, I try to preach like a dying man into a dying world because I never know whenever that person may be sitting in the congregation that I'm preaching to. And I may never know that until I'm with the Lord, to find out who exactly that it was, but I never know that that person's not sitting in that congregation that I might not be able to reach them for the sake of Jesus Christ. So what people don't realize, this is in my personal testimony, what people don't realize is the emotions that, that goes through a person whenever they first face that circumstance, that storm it's inside their life. And whenever, I mean, I was not living like I should, I was outside the will of God. They were, the news came to me that something had happened to my grandma, I was in an officer's club at McGhee Dot McGhee Tyson Air Base and of course we were there dancing and drinking and doing the things that playing pool, doing things that we did in an officer's club. And I tell this in my testimony that, that when my, my mother-in-law came and told me, you know, I never forget the cold feeling on my back as I slid down that cold concrete block wall sitting down in that cold concrete floor. It took the life out of me when, when that, that news came to me, but when that news came, the emotions begin to flow within me as it does with people. And I didn't want to jump up and start preaching at that time. I mean, I was honest as I could be with the, with the, the law enforcement and with the authorities. I told him I wanted to, to kill whoever it was that did that. I mean, that was my emotion and, and that's what happens inside of a person's life whenever they, you know, they have somebody that is so dear to them and so close to them. I mean, when they gave me the news that, that somebody had, had killed my grandmother, that they had come in and they'd, they'd beat her and cut her throat. When they told me that, it was the, the, the person that I was closest to in my life. I mean, she held my secrets. She was the person that fixed me something to eat and loved me unconditionally when, you know, whenever I was a kid, ride my bicycle over there and, and, and make me a sandwich if I was hungry or, or poor bath water if I was dirty, you know, the warm, the very woman that taught me how to pray my, my one of my closest friends, if not my closest. I think that's a great testimony of who Emily and Croft was. I was going to ask you about her and I think you asked, answered the question before I, I could ask it. Uh, we're visiting with, with, uh, Tim Kemsa, he's the pastor of Woodland Park Baptist Church in Oak Ridge, Tennessee and talking about his testimony. We're going to get to his call to ministry in a moment and, and all of this came about because of the, the episode of cold justice that, that aired toward the end of March. So you, you said you weren't living, let's say a godly life at the time and yet you have said that it's your grandmother who is the reason that you're in ministry today. What, what, what was the influence she had on you that ultimately led you to not only giving your life to Christ, but surrendering to the call to the ministry. Well, um, there was, uh, it started back whenever I was a little boy, um, my grandfather, um, Claude Etheridge, he was a pastor and, and a church of God, Pentecostal preacher and, uh, he, uh, he and I were very close when he passed away. It really did something to me, but my mom and dad divorced whenever I was about eight years old. And whenever mom and dad divorced, uh, my mom and I moved into, um, the house where granny lived and, and ultimately the house where she was able, uh, that's where she passed away or died was killed. And, uh, during that period of time when I was a little boy, I, she would teach me how to pray and she'd pray with me and I remember every night before we go to bed, uh, there, there was a thing we would call a hassick, just a footstool there and we'd kneel down on that footstool and, and she'd pray with me and we'd get down on our knees and, and, and put our hands together and, and she would, uh, she would tell me, now you talked to God, uh, just like he's right here with us because he is. Well, she taught me early on, you know, the, the relationship with God. Well, uh, I grew from that, uh, and we didn't go to church a whole lot. My mom didn't, uh, go to church much. Um, I can only remember occasionally, maybe an Easter service or something that, that I ever went to church with her. And, um, of course her and dad, uh, divorced and, um, we eventually moved out from my grandmother's moved into, uh, another place or two or three. And, uh, during that period of time, well, to kind of shorten the story a bit, when I 16 years old, I was going to Madison Avenue Baptist Church in Merle, Tennessee and, and Pastor Bland Grove was the pastor there. He had ministered to me because I played ball with his, uh, his sons and, and, uh, was close to Pastor Glenn. Well, uh, it was then a revival when I was 16 years old up at that church. My friend of mine and myself was there. We really wasn't there for the sake of Christ was there because that's where all the pretty girls was and, uh, we were there to, um, with, with other things on our mind to maybe get us a girlfriend and, uh, uh, just being honest. That happens a lot. But, uh, anyway, I ended up in a revival, an October revival, uh, in 1978, October revival, getting saved. There was a black preacher, pastor, uh, evangelist that came from California. His name was Reverend Coffey. I got saved, uh, that night and, um, oddly enough, I, uh, the girls and stuff that I was trying to, to, uh, to have a date with, I didn't realize it, but they knew why I was there and they were praying for me that I'd get saved. So anyway, I did, but, uh, nobody really, um, put their arms around me inside the church much, I was kind of a independent rascal and, and, uh, probably hard to nail down it at the same time, but, uh, nobody really discipled me much and didn't get involved as deep as I probably needed to, to, to the church and consequently walked outside the will of God and, um, you know, went on to school and, uh, even to college and, and, um, you know, was doing things, drinking and, and, uh, even drugs and stuff, um, you know, in my, in my history, ended up getting married and, uh, was still, uh, you know, going to the nightclubs and stuff with my wife and we, um, you know, we were not living a lifestyle that was, that was, uh, honored by God and, and at all. So that was, that was kind of where I was at, uh, inside of that process. Uh, I met a lot of people along the way and knew a lot of people, uh, you know, from my brother and, and from other things inside my life that I, uh, had witnessed along the way and, well, I just was not living a lifestyle that I should have been and, um, found myself there on that night, um, sitting in the, in the cold concrete floor with my, uh, breathtaking from me and, and not knowing what else to do. And I'll say this from that point, like I said, I didn't jump up there and start preaching, but all along the way, as I was seeking to find who it was that I felt, you know, didn't know who killed my grandmother, but I was looking and I got into some, some dark situations and some dark places and visited into, into gangs and everything else to try to, to try to figure it out, to maybe get some type of a clue as to who it may have, may have been. And like I said, I was hunting for them, um, and, and I had things in my, on my heart, but all along the way, people would, would, would say, Tim, you know, the people that knew me, they'd say, Tim, we're praying for you, um, or they'd ask me, how can I pray for you today? You know, of course I'd always tell them, help me find this, whoever this person is, um, uh, all along the way and, and then as, as, as that, as God dealt with me throughout that process, you know, I, I drew closer to God and, and, and I preached this all the time that there's times in a person's life that they will never really look up until they're laying flat on their back and have nowhere else to look. And I found myself like that depressed, um, in a situation where I was looking to drugs and alcohol and everything else to kill the pain, um, um, that I found myself looking to the Lord and, and he began to deal with me and deal with me at a, at a level that, that I can't really explain, but I knew that God was, was dealing with me and it was kind of like you can go on and live this life for a while that you're living or you can surrender. Uh, and, uh, and I'll help you to get, uh, get through this. So during this period of time also, I was fishing. I was somewhat of a fishing professional and was helping to make my living fishing and, and, uh, was fishing on television and stuff and had a lot of people that knew me and, and uh, was very good and, and, and won a lot of tournaments and stuff, but, um, walked away from fishing after, um, after a man by the name of Dr. Doug Sager, um, he was friends with me from the time I was a little boy at eight years old riding those streets in, in Alcoa. Uh, he, uh, he would oftentimes, uh, buy my lunch and stuff for me and tell me to spend my, my money on the, on fishing lures and kind of, so I kind of blamed him for my part of my fishing career, but, but, uh, walked away from a very lucrative, uh, career and fishing and surrendered, uh, to God, uh, to do his will and left an awful lot of money on the table, uh, to surrender and never look back, um, to let God use me as he would. Um, you mentioned, actually, verse 28 and, and I'll say this, I'll say that God, he can do things for those who love the Lord. That is amazing. I would never be a, I probably would have never been a preacher or a pastor or being passionate about Christ as I am had not this happened with my grandmother. And, uh, that's the way that God does things. He brought something wonderful, uh, from a tragic situation that I, I in my heart wanted to kill this person. I had the pain, I had the anxiety, um, in my life to a place that, uh, there's no, no place more, more blessed than being able to, to be able to someday sit in front of whoever it was that did it and introduced them to a Lord Jesus Christ that, that took that pain from me and took that, that circumstance and anxiety and, and even murder from my heart. He took that from me that I want to introduce them to, to, uh, to this Jesus that can do this because it's not anything short of miraculous of what God did in my life. And, and this was before I knew much about the Bible. This was, I knew how to pray and I knew who God was and I'd had experience with God. I'd listen to several sermons and, and listen to the word of God being preached, but I know more than anything that, that, well, I know now the word of God and of course I'm, I got a lot of certificates on the wall here that said I'm supposed to know, but, uh, I know what happened to me. I know the experience that I had with God and I know the presence of the Holy Spirit whenever it overwhelms you. Um, and their, thereby lays your testimony. That's my testimony. If I, if you never know what the word of God says, you can have that experience with God and the Holy Spirit moves upon you. You don't have any other choice. You know, as you're talking and one of the things I've learned, I think over the years of, of doing thousands of interviews in both newspaper and radio, sometimes the best thing you can do as an interviewer is just sit back and shut up and, and let the person talk. And I think you just delivered a sermon there that I was being the preacher son that I am. I was ready to pass the plate, but there, there are two things that, there were two things that jumped out to me as you were talking and we're visiting with pastor, uh, Tim Kemsley from Woodland Park Baptist church and Oak Ridge, Tennessee. One, when I get the opportunity to speak in churches and share my testimony, I say almost verbatim what you said a moment ago that I got so low that the only place that I could look was up. And when I did, that's when I saw Jesus and he was standing there with his arms saying, son, come home. Sometimes we have to hit bottom because until we do, we keep looking for something lower than bottom. And the other thing that I, I couldn't help think about Tim and I want to talk about some parts of your ministry here. You talked about your experiences with drugs and alcohol, however, extensive or non-extensive they may have been, but you do have some personal experience with it. And one of your chief ministries at your church and even outside the walls of your church is working with people who have substance abuse issues. And I think as, again, we talk about Romans 828, God works all things together for good to those who are, uh, love him or are called according to his purpose. Your experiences with that stuff prior to surrendering totally to Christ gives you a bit of empathy for these people that you're advocating for and trying to help now that maybe some other people don't have because you've lived a little bit of that. Absolutely. I, there's, there's one thing that I learned very well whenever I was outside the will of God. And that was I did not like being beat over the head with a Bible and told how bad I was. I knew how bad I was, but I didn't want to listen to these, well, I call them high-muckity ducks, these religious high-muckity ducks that, that they wanted to beat me over the head with the scripture and wanted me to, to, to know right then and be able to, to, to quote the scripture to me and, and wag their finger in my face. I, I didn't like that. Um, and I always thought too, as, as God began to, to, uh, raise up the gifts within me and, and I have the gift of evangelism as well as, uh, missionary and, and also discipleship, but God, God blesses me with, with an understanding to know that if you go with people, um, and, and, and begin to attack them because of where they are, there's times that they don't, they don't realize where they are. There's times that they don't realize how they got to where they are. And there's times that they're where they are and they wish they were somewhere else. So I, along the way, began to, uh, to jot down things and notes and stuff and my journals and begin to write down things that, uh, even my feelings about, about that. And so I've got a couple of books on my heart and I, um, Gregory for sale, Dr. Gregory for sale. He's written them, probably two dozen books. He's an Oklahoma. He urges me every time we talk together. We talk on the telephone from time to time. He said, you have, you wrote those books yet. And I, and I said, no, but I'm, I'm still collecting notes on them. And I, I will write them some day. Greg, I, I will write them. But one of the books that I, the title of one of the books is, as anybody told you today that they loved you is the title of one of my books. And, and the other book is how can I pray for you today? So as, as, um, as I do ministry, you mentioned to celebrate recovery. Um, we do celebrate recovery for a time and it'll, the classes will get up, you know, with a couple of dozen people in it and then the people will start graduating into the next phase of their life and, and we'll get them into drug rehabilitation, we'll get them into life itself, get them into jobs. Um, sometimes they'll get married sometimes. But anyway, they, they leave us clean and, uh, it's okay. Um, I am of the, the, the persuasion that a lot of people wants to, to keep people down. They want to say you're an alcoholic. You're, you've always been an alcoholic. You're always going to be an alcoholic. Well, I don't teach people that. I teach people flippings one and six is that, uh, that, that he to begin a good work and you won't complete it even until the day he's coming. You used to be an alcoholic. You used to be, uh, in an, uh, in a equitable offenses. You, you used to have this sin inside your life. Uh, you're a new person. Uh, you have a new life in Christ. Uh, you got to bury that old life, throw some dirt on that old life and move forward. Uh, God don't want us to think about those type of things. He wants us to think upon the things that are good and pleasing unto him and the, and the, and the peace that surpasses all understanding God wants you to, to grow from whatever it was that you, you did inside your life. Uh, it didn't matter where it was. God's going to, he's going to use those places inside your life like you did with me and my grandmother's, uh, circumstance here. He's going to use that as a stepping stone, uh, so that I can move up and forward, uh, obviously, but also so I can help other people. Um, I, I believe that, uh, I believe that there's circumstances in everybody's life that if they'll just call upon the circumstances, you know, the people don't want to go to church anymore for whatever reason. And I tell them often, I'll say, you know what, I know you've got something inside of your life. You need to be in church. It's, well, I'm just not getting much out of church or I do church at home where I watch television of church night. I'll tell them I'm, I'm pretty straight. I'm pretty to the point with them. I'll say, you know, it's kind of like, uh, watching a fire on your television, you ain't getting warm from it. Uh, but, but also your life is a living epistle of Christ. And, and, and people's not going to open their Bible a lot of times, but they can read what you, what you are and what you do. And if you're going to church, it gives you an opportunity for these people that are seeking to come into the church and find somebody that's been through a similar circumstance than they have. And, and that can happen. I tell my ladies all the time, you know, there's ladies inside of our church that's, that's had abortions and they've had circumstances of marital problems and inequity and, um, just transgressions within their life and circumstances of life, of course, but, but I'll, I'll tell them, and the man, you know what, you got, you got a testimony. And if you'll focus on the test that it was, knowing that God, he, he strengthened you through whatever circumstances that it was, uh, he made you wiser in that circumstance of whatever that was good or bad. And, uh, he, he tampered you, but ultimately he drew you, drew you closer to him and you can help other people to draw closer to God with your testimony. If you'll, if you will, focus on the test and not on the money part. Right. And so, uh, that's, that's kind of, you're causing me to preach, brother. Well, hey, listen, that's fine. The, the, the more you talk, the less I have to. And, uh, that's, that's always a, always a good thing on this program. I can promise you, um, we're getting to the point where, you know, five, six minutes, uh, and we got to get into wrap up mode. But as, as you're talking again, I can't help but, but think about my own circumstances and other people who I've come across, whether it's speaking at Celebrate Recovery or just other people that I know personally who've had a, a dramatic change in their life or people that, that I've had on this program, we are hitting towards 70 episodes of this program now and the number of incredible stories of God's transformational grace just, the stories just continue to blow me away. But the, the thing that, that I could not help but think as you're talking there is that, that God tells us in his word, Tim, that once we ask for forgiveness, that he has this mystical ability where he can't remember our sins anymore. He puts him behind his back as far as the east is from the west, buries him in the depth of the deepest ocean. There, there are so many scriptures that tell us that, that God doesn't remember our sins. He sees the righteousness of Jesus in our lives and yet others will continue to bring up our past issues. And I think one of Satan's favorite tricks is for us to wallow in the guilt of past mistakes, even though they've been forgiven. And that's not to say that sin doesn't have consequences even after you've been forgiven. I'm, I'm living proof of that. But when I hear people say, well, you know, I know God can forgive me or has forgiven me, but, but I just can't forgive myself. When I, when I share that in, in, in speaking at certain places, I, I, I want to grab people and, and shake them and you're telling me that your standards are higher than God's. And, and, and that's just, I couldn't help but think about that as, as you were talking about that with, with the people that you deal with on a certain basis, getting over self guilt has to be a big step in the process I would imagine. It, it really is. I lived with a long time after God began to, to move inside of my life as he was, after my grandmother was killed. You know, I had the guilt of, of the way that I felt and being very capable at that time to, to, I wanted to dispatch whoever was that, that, that did this to my family. I felt as though we'd been robbed. I felt like we'd been, they'd taken, taken everything away from us whenever they killed my grandmother. I felt guilty about that. I felt guilty in that the things I wanted to do and even as far as making, you know, a plan of man, I'll, I'll just dispatch them and I'll do this that the other, even if it takes, you know, if they arrest somebody, I'll, I'll get arrested and go into jail and do it into jail. I don't care. I self-sacrificially to that. And that's not what God wanted at all. He wanted me to, to be sacrificial in my own heart. But it's kind of like, I think about the scriptures you got me thinking about the place several Paul was struck down there on the road to Mascos and Acts chapter nine. And, you know, we had a plan for Paul and, you know, speak to the Gentiles and, and to, to be that man of God, well, well, God had a plan for me too. And, and like he told down a nice, and a nice was afraid to go to that, to go to Paul to solve tarsis. And a nice was, he said, you know, I know this guy's reputation. I don't want to go to him. And, and the Lord Jesus spoke to him and actually asked after nine. And I'm paraphrasing this and working by memory, but he said, for I will show him what great things he must suffer from my namesake. And, and so I believe he did with me as well. You know, I think that that is part of the suffering part of the, the repenta part to revitalize life within me. And I think it's like that for a lot of people. You know, you're going to have something there that God helps people to understand that they're a sinner and pride. Sometimes people that live these great lives and, and go to church every time that the doors is open and yet have never really accepted Jesus Christ to be their Lord. You know, they know who the Savior is. They know that Jesus is their Savior and they call out that Jesus has their Savior. But to surrender to his Lordship, that's something else. And, and that's, that's kind of a place of realization that we find is in our heart. You know, in Proverbs chapter three, it's just trust in the Lord of all our heart and lean not on our own understanding. We, we can't, we can't, in our own understanding, understand what God's doing inside of our life or allowing things to happen as, as our life unfolds. But I do know that God also tells us in all our ways, if we'll acknowledge him, he'll direct our paths. Right. And so as he leads you in guides and directs, he did me to the place of how, how we do things and how we go about things. I, I reach the majority of the people for our Celebrate Recovery classes right now on the street and all I do, all we do, I don't want to say, I, there's several people in our church that does this and I, and I have taken this ministry to dozens of churches and, and helped to train them in it. But we do things called, it's prayer tent and we'll set up a tent and perk a lot of the Wal-Mart or on the side of the road in a busy intersection or wherever. And it simply says stop and, stop and pray. And it's shocking to understand how many people that won't darken the door of a church or want you to come up and confront them because they see a Bible under your arm, they'll run from you just about every single time. But they will, they will understand the sense of the presence of God, of, of somebody there that has the confidence in God to pray and has that faith. And we'll see the tell lights come on in their card, they'll do a U-turn in the middle of the road sometimes, they'll come back. And the first words out of their mouth is, is, you know, I don't know why I turned around and come back here, but I felt like I needed to come back and pray. Would you pray for this and pray for that? Well, I'm telling you, the people that are furthest from, from God, are, are easily, uh, submitted to the presence of God. And when they get it, they get it good. Yeah. And so when they come back and they're, they're humbled in that position, they're asking us to pray for them in our faith, then we're able to do that. It's very effective and they pour out their heart, they pour out their life. They, they tell about their addictions, they're honest and open because it's an unconstitutional place. They, they chose to come to our place and they can leave any time they want to. We got table sitting there. We might have to, we always have accountability there with us. So there'll be at least two at the table. But sometimes there's three or four. We'll have our Bibles open there and one personal speak and, and we'll, we'll talk to them and pray with them to see them come to the Celebrate Recovery, sometimes to come to the church, sometimes to get saved, baptized, and even begin their walk with Christ. But, um, yeah, it's, it's, um, it's, it's something to have, have the experience, uh, in your life of being outside the will of God. Billy Graham, his school evangelist taught us this. He said a three minute testimony is all you need. He said, tell them a little bit about your life. Give about a minute's worth, give about a minute worth of, of what your life was like before Christ. And then give about a minute to what it, what it took to get you to, uh, to come to the north, to know Jesus Christ and then tell them how your life's changed. It takes about three minutes for a personal testimony and that's all you need on the street. Well, it's true. And, uh, we can be drawn out in our testimonies. And I oftentimes am because I'm a preacher, but, but God, uh, God, give us a mouth, sometimes a sticker foot in it, and I just don't know when sometimes, you know, trust me, and I try being a broadcaster. It works the same way. All right. About about a minute left. And I can tell we're going to have to have you on another episode because I, I could just keep going. But a final question for you, barring an act of God, your, your grandmother's murder is not going to be solved. I mean, as, as good as Kelly Seagler and her team are, they couldn't dig up the information to solve it. So you're probably again, and, and you know, God is a lot better at, at his job than Kelly Seagler is at hers as good as she is. But the, the reality I would think is that you're, you're not going to see this solved at least anytime soon. How do you, how do you reconcile that moving forward, knowing the impact that it's all had on your life and, you know, Romans eight, 28's been a theme here. How do you reconcile the fact that it's, it's entirely possible that you're not going to see this solved? It is possible. And it's a fearful possibility. And of course, yes, we'd love to see it come to an end and, and find justice for my grandmother. But God didn't give us the spirit of fear. He gave us a power and love and a sound mind. And we have to look to God to trust him. And in faith, no, it doesn't matter what happens here. They will stand before him. And we'll all stand before God. And to some, he'll say, depart from me for I never knew you and the lake of fire would be their end. But I trust the Lord inside of this process. And I know that the, I know what God did in my grandparents life, my grandfather, my grandmother. And I want to do the same thing for my grandchildren. I want to help them to know the Lord and beyond that. So if nothing comes of it, if they don't solve it, I know we are our police department has worked diligently and they've done very, they've worked hard. We've, we've tried to extinguish every possibility. Tips are still coming in. And we were glad of that. And maybe someday they'll get the tip that they need that leaded them to whoever did this heinous crime. So we're praying for that. Ask everybody to pray with us that in the end, we recognize and understand that we already know that God has this. And so cast your burdens on the Lord. He'll sustain us. And if there's a better way to end the interview, I don't know what it would be because the Lord will sustain us. And it's interesting that when Tim and I talked the first time, of course, we were coming off of about three months prior, losing our grandson. And in the time since, we've lost an aunt. And then of course, in the second week of June, my dad passed. And I mentioned at the very beginning, those Romans eight, 28 moments in the midst of tragedy. God works everything to the good for those who are called according to his purpose. And that doesn't mean that the passing of my father is good or the murder of his grandmother all those years ago is good. But we have seen good come out of it in our family. And of course, what the Lord has done in Tim's life is just an amazing testimony to the truth of that verse Romans eight 28. So Tim Kimsey, thank you very much. We've only got about 90 seconds left. So no time for another break. We'll just get into wrap up mode here. I will tell you that we need to hear from you. We need to know that this show is having an impact on you in some way. So I'm going to ask you to drop us a line Dan at danscotchow.org or if maybe Twitter is your thing. Dan Scott show is my personal handle Facebook. You can find my Christian page or my personal page there. But however you do it, it's important for us to know that where we are spending our resources or having the impact that God wants it to have. So please drop us a line. Let us know where you are listening to the show from. And just give us some feedback. But it's very important that we hear from you. And you say, I've never done that before. Now's the time Dan at danscotchow.org. Thank you so much to Tim Kimsey. Thank you for listening. And we will see you again next week. Until then, I'm Dan Scott. God bless you and so long, everybody. Thank you for listening to this week's Dan Scott show. To hear it again, catch up on past shows or find out more about Grand Slam Ministries, please visit our website danscotchow.org. And while there, carefully consider making a gift to help us in our mission to share the love of Jesus Christ. That's the danscotchow.org. [Music] [BLANK_AUDIO]