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Four-time Stanley Cup champion. Big D! Right there. It is big D energy. Enough with the pleasantries. I know you guys all want to talk about it. A lot of people are pissed off today. Let's try to talk each other off the ledge. Or maybe even further on the ledge, Mac. I think this is just my business. I think where we're at right now with this baseball team. Alright? Is I think fans are tired of being a year away from being a year away. Doesn't it seem like the Tigers have been stuck in this rut? Or literally? Nine years? Eight years? We're just a year away from being a year away. Yesterday didn't move the needle too much. That's just reality. We'll talk about what they got in return. And I'm going to tell you point blank. I don't know a damn thing about any of these guys other than what I read. And I'm not going to pretend I know that everybody's a prospect expert now, respect to that. But at the end of the day, Mac, I think there's just a level of frustration with this Tiger team, again, perpetually being in a state of we're a year away from a year away. I mean, if you go back to the ineptitude, but I don't, I go back, "Okay, Scott Harris is new." I mean, there's other things to worry about, right? I'm more focused on what the Red Wings are doing. And obviously excitement now is training camp for the Lions. So I think for me, and you know this, we've been friends a long time, baseball is my number one love. Those are my number one love, even before the Red Wings growing up. I'm in this place of, you know, wait and see, I have a feeling that like this can be different because I want to see what Scott Harris does. I'm excited. I mean, I would have been, if they would have dealt Terrick Scuba and they got a great return. I would understand that direction, but I mean, I got a Terrick Scuba jersey. So the fact of what we're watching and Cy Young loading every time out guy, so I'm not that way. And I think why that is because Bally's ruined it earlier this year. You know, the fact that Bally's Comcast deal, when it wasn't on TV and the app, if they're not going to make the effort to allow me to watch it, then I'd have to go out of my way and they haven't produced that product. So I think it's more of a wait and see, just like it is with all these prospects, whether we drafted them, whether they're coming up, whoever it is, like you said, what we've heard. That's all it is. So, I mean, I'm just like, what's the word where you're neither for a gadget, just sort of waiting in the middle? Yeah. Yeah. So like, there's sort of on brand. What's that? You're in purgatory. I am purgatory, but I've been this way for a while, but I still tune in. I want to see. Okay. Cool. Keith. Yeah. He, you know, I like what he's done. I like what some of the pitches done, but it's not must see TV like it usually is in tiger season, even, you know, back in the day when they were in that, you know, you know, I think you hit the nail on top of the head in this regard, and I know people don't want to hear this. Okay. What is the fair thing to do? Okay. There is the previous disaster, which whether you guys want to admit it or not, way too many people out there said, you're dumb if you called out the verlander trade, you're dumb if you called out this move, that move, whatever the case may be. And then there's Scott Harris and Scott Harris can not and should not be hung for everything that hails the tigers. Sorry. He shouldn't, and I know some people are going to say, well, why are you sticking up for Scott Harris? Okay. Time out. Time out. Take a deep breath for a second and you hear me out. Okay. Yes. We can talk about was the return on flarity less than it should have been. We can have those conversations. We can talk about erod last year. We can talk about the disaster that was Kenta's contract, you know, and not just the contract itself, but the two years. Yes, but I think, Matt, what you just said, gets the nail on top of the head. There's the previous disaster. And then there's that which Scott Harris has wrought. And I'll be the first guy to say it. Is there a lot to say, whoa, Scott Harris gets it? No, there isn't. Okay. But at the same time, if we're going to apply that logic, we can't hang him on everything that hails the Detroit tigers. Mac. The last thing in the world that people want to hear around here is the P word patience. I get it. Nobody wants to hear. Say playoffs. No. No. We're talking about playoffs. No. I mean, playoffs to the sound. Thank God. We got the light. Nobody wants to hear patience, but when you consider what you just said, what he took over and what he has to do, we have no choice, but to be patient. That's just the reality of the situation. I see more comparatives to what Stevie came into. And here's also the thing is like, I still think there's some sort of hank of son spending money for Scott here. So he's doing my and and here's like for let's go Red Wing Sparty. How many years are we as fans expected to be satisfied with signing middling free agents for a year and flip them for middling prospects at the deadline and not spending league out. You don't know. You don't have to be, but it's just where we are. And it's sort of like you said, purgatory is a great place to wait to wait and see what happens. Does that change the fact that it's still a nice night down at the ballpark? Take the family and stuff like that once in a year. Is there a couple of guys that you could say, Oh, okay, I'm going to watch so Riley Green and school. Well, they made the all-star team stuff like this. Oh, we got young guys. It's just sort of, there's so much other things to do. I'd rather take my energy and I think that's what it is. Tigers, you don't deserve my energy. I'm not giving you my energy until I see that Scott Harris. Good luck. What you're doing. I'm going to go focus in on the Red Wings coming up to training camp in about a month or so. I'm getting ready for that. Lions are kicking off, but there's way more things. College football is around the corner, you know, like there's way more things to get excited about. And you know what? Just sort of put them in the corner. That's amazing because I know you always use the analogy of where is a team at, like on I-75. Okay. But to me, what I'm hearing when you say that, and I'm not saying you're wrong, what I'm hearing when you say that is we're not too far away from the exit of that dreaded city called apathy. That there are a lot of people out there that just, I'm just not going to let you bother me. But here's it, you know what, like, and the apathy is, like, if there's such a thing as positive apathy, because I think it's going to get better before it gets worse. Wherewith, if you had alavilla in there and it's just, it just, I just thought it would just get darker and darker. I see Scott Harris trying, but it's almost like he's digging out of this hole with a, you know, not a, not a pitchfork or a machine, he's got a hand tool, right, that he's got to do with whatever else. So I don't mind this, you know, the long play in this as Neil always says, you know, whatever prospects you have, you know, you're going to, you have two big ones in torque and green or one of them is going to hit one of them is going to miss, you know, more times than not. So if you have more of them and you're getting pitching guys and now you're getting, again, and I know it's what have we heard, but you're getting catchers and first baseman, we don't have a power hitting first baseman, like the rest of the league does and stuff like this. So I guess it's positive apathy. If there's ever a case, like I don't feel hopeless, like I have in the past and we've been here for like you said, eight years, nine years. So what do we know about these guys, like, like seriously, and I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know these guys, we were joking before the show. I've called a lot of hockey games over the years at the junior level and, and so I can sit back and somebody says, Hey, tell me about the Spencer Raxter guy. Yeah. Well, I saw Spencer play. I saw Spencer play multiple times because he plays in the suit. I can tell you, you know, what I saw out of his game. He would have played in this, yeah, I can see you would have been a gray house. His flow would have come down about three or four minutes more inches well, but like all jokes aside, I don't know the first thing about any of these cats. Yeah, other than what I read, I just don't. And I know that everybody's an expert now. I get it, but Mac, there's a, there's a big difference between what we see in the numbers and what you see when you watch a guy play. Sometimes there are things that you can't quantify. So what do we know about these guys? Yeah. I know that. I was going to say the best return you got, the best prospect you got was Lorenzo. He's immediately the fifth prospect in your, in your system. He's a power hitting first baseman catcher. It was nice to see in his first year in single A, he had 24 home runs and had over 900 OPS. Young kid, he fits the, the mold and the timeline of guys like Max Clark and McGonigal and Jackson Job to go along with them. So that was the biggest return. I looked at, I watched some of his events. I watched some of his games last night and he is, I don't know, I feel like he's comfortable in the box. He attacks the ball. He is going to swing a lot and he's going to strike out a lot. And that's something they may want to cut down on, but he's aggressive in the box and he puts good contact on the ball when he hits it. Yeah. Catch your first baseman, Dodger's third highest rated prospect. According to one cat who follows this stuff, he said the third best prospect to go off the board. Now I've read again, I don't know anything about something called trace weaning. He could be make believe for all I know, all right? But I've read that trace weaning is a shortstop gaping hole in this franchise, right? We all need a shortstop and a couple different people pointed out that this is a guy that might be closer to the, to the majors than really any of these other guys. Yes. I mean, this is a guy that we, I mean, effectively might even see this year. Well, this is going back to your point, this is where the player in need kind of go hand in hand. Can we all agree the Tigers need a shortstop? Yes. Right? Yeah. So is it, could this guy fit the bill? I don't know. I have no idea. But Mac, like you said, I get what he was trying to do. I don't think there was anything that Scott Harris was going to do yesterday. Part of the monumental Tarek scuba trade offers that have been out there for the past couple of weeks, that was going to make anybody happy. There was no move yesterday that was going to make the whole collective Detroit Tiger fan base goal. Yes. That's the one. That's the one. It just wasn't going to happen. And to your point, you can still trade scuba. The off season, you know, perhaps somebody says, you know what, let's start the season. We want a full fledged ace. You can still trade him. That's still possible to happen to help speed things up. Now, again, I'm somebody I said it since day one, I don't want a package of prospect. You know what? I'll take a couple of prospects, but give me a good MLB ready as close to an MLB ready guy as you can get. So it's not all lost, Mac, in that regard. I think people wanted to be floored by what the Tigers got in return, and it just simply wasn't going to happen yet. It wasn't. When I look at Trace Sweeney, he's, you know, he's a switch hitter. He's a former first round pick. He's a guy who's got 63, I think RBI's in AAA this year. And I would like to see him in the show as soon as possible, like this year, we know what Cridler is, no offense to him, but he's he's a company's piece. He's not good. He's not a good ball player. We know how he buys is a dog shit, so bring Sweeney up, give him some reps to end the year and see what you got. I think that you nailed it, Spenny. And I agree with the ski, ski mask boy, Trace Sweeney as a ball name. Yeah. Like Gunnar, Henriksen and Jack's holiday, like these are, these are like ball players and Sweeney, you know, reminds me of Mark Sweeney in Kansas City. Remember, right? I wonder if there's any lineage, but I think you nailed it right there, Spenny. And I think that as we see, right, where they have moved from the minors in AAA and stuff like this, I think you're going to see that rotating. So let's see, like as a tiger fan, if you show me that you're giving guys these cups of coffees and we're seeing at this level, look at what Perez has done, you know, look at what some of the guys that have come up. So I believe sooner than later, so you're going to see what you get. One of the other things, right? What do we always say about Brad home, the way that he can draft guys, draft guys that can play right now? Maybe one of the things not just in the development that Scott Harris has done with his experience with the Giants and then picking off different guys from, you know, the Ray's organization stuff. Maybe you can define guys who are ready for that next step. That's also a talent too, right? Who are the guys in the minors that are ready to make that step and maybe that step is to be made here or the opportunity is to be provided here because how much does it cost you? Hey, it is Ryan Seacrest. There's something so thrilling about playing Chumba Casino. Maybe it's the simple reminder that with a little luck, anything is possible. Chumba Casino.com has hundreds of social casino style games to choose from with new game releases each week. Stay for free anytime, anywhere for your chance to redeem some serious prizes. Join me in the fun. Sign up now at Chumba Casino.com sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary VGW group void where prohibited by law, 18 plus terms and conditions apply. Very little. You bring up such a great point in regards to Brad homes because unless you didn't have a brain in your head, going into 2021, you knew that the lions weren't going to be any good. And that was okay. I know nobody wanted to hear it. I mean, people were talking about playoffs and then come on, let's go jump in the and the lion play off limo and everything. But you saw what he was trying to accomplish. Okay, let's use that extra first round pick. We're going to get a high first round pick because the talent level isn't there yet. Let's see what that translates to going into 2022. Boom, took a big step. Well, then thankfully for the lions at that point in time, the Rams fell flat on their face. That next bit became higher than anybody thought, boom, all of a sudden you're in 2023. But to me, Mac, that's the thing. I think people want to see a path. I think they're a little more patient. If you can say, okay, I get what you're trying to do, I get what you're trying to do. And that's exactly what Brad homes is. I think for a lot of people up to this point, there's been a lot of head scratching saying, all right, so Scott, what are you trying to do? I think we saw a couple of pieces. I'm not saying it's going to work. I'm not letting them off for pass misgivings or anything like that. But I think you're right, Mac. I think you saw that there are some puzzle pieces there and, oh, okay. I can see how that fits or that fits. That's a key point. No doubt about it. And part of part of that too, like spending said, how quick do we see a trace we need, which should be really quick. We see them really quick. Then you know, okay, I, I get what you're throwing out here, just like this boat, just like this boat of Spencer, you get what they're throwing out about $10 of free products. 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You heard all these named Kristin Stewart, you know, you heard all these names, but then you never got a chance to see him. And then when you finally saw him, you're going, Oh, cool, is this what I was waiting for? Is this what I was? Yeah, me, me, me, so to me, if you get a guy like Tracy, and if what people are saying about this guy is true, that he is the most major league ready guy gaping hole, highly thought of prospect, you would make a move for him unless you wanted him. Why don't we see him look at this and think about this service ability. Now let's just start looking up the middle, right? Look, looking up the middle, you brought up a name yesterday, Spenny, that you're happy and Dingler. Yeah. Right. Who's up at catcher, catcher stuff like this. So what you got to catch her. You got your second baseman and it's signed to a what 10 year deal and cold Keith. And we've seen his evolution this year as he gets more comfortable. I mean, are you God forbid you're telling me that I could be seeing the next second base shortstop up the middle combo, you also got Riley Green in the outfield there, wherever, you know, you want to play him. It's starting to sort of maybe assemble now. These guys got a hit, but this kid's just got to be serviceable and would you be willing to give him time to figure it out like you gave called Keith time and what better time than now? I would. What better time than now because you know what the the blessing and I guess I'm going to say this. I'm not going to project anybody else. I'm going to say it's my tiger fin. You know what I would like? I would like to go into the off season as a Tigers fan going, Oh man, I think that I got my second base shortstop combo going in for the next five, 10 like this, like there is something there got work to do. What's that? Do you hit to all he has to do is hit what what is his shortstop position provide right now to 10 to 20 to 40 to 50, whatever like this show some production like anything else. And then we'll worry about the power positions at the corner, but but spending was on to it because I believe Dingler might be or there's somebody else coming through that the prospect behind the plate. So slowly but surely might be coming together. So maybe that's what I asked for by the end of the rest of the season. Any of these young guys are the guys that we've heard these names. Can I at least have this eyeball test either no going in the next season or not? We're dealing with what in Mac, you know, there's better than anybody because you're a big catcher guy. That was another part of understand, how many catchers of the future did this franchise had last eight years? Al Vila, James McCann, Jake Rogers. Yeah. Catch you in the future. Catch you in the future. They were anointed. Okay. Yep. And it didn't work. And look, Jake Rogers is a nice guy. Jake Rogers, you know, the heads, you know, the flop and all that. I love the bit. Okay. I would hope as likable as the guy is, I would hope that each and every one of you out there would want more from that position than what Jake Rogers has brought to the table, right? And I think that's why seeing a guy like Dangler and, and okay, wow, I've heard about him. Maybe I saw him there. But now I get a chance to see it and, oh my goodness, now I get why there were multiple people out there that anointed this guy as the catcher of the future. Because I think that is part and parcel with what so many fans are frustrated at. They're, they're tired of hearing about the promise of this guy and the promise of that guy. And it happens in every sport, Mack. I know there are guys that you listen, I'll tell you point blank and sorry, Jakob Kindle. Yeah. Yeah. So, I got a Kindle play when he was with the Rangers. I had a conversation with a current general manager in the NHL. I bet you can figure out who and he was like, what do you think? Cause I saw him a bunch of times. I was like, he doesn't belong in this league right now. He doesn't belong in the always, he's that good. It, he doesn't belong in this league. And Mac, for whatever reason, it just never happened. Damien Broder. So, I mean, that you have to accept, you have to accept no matter how many so many of these guys look, no matter how good so many of them look, look, it might not happen. Okay. So it's better to apply a little eye test to build some good faith going into the next season. And I look at what Scott Harris is doing and I have optimism going forward for the guys he picked up because his, all of his draft picks, the majority of the guys that he brought in are all single a double aid now. Like obviously the two big ones in, in Clark and McGonagall in high A, you've got how you lead in double A, absolutely ripping it up. The two bets in this lineup that were prospects that Scott Harris went out and got are Justin Henry Malloy and Wenzel Perez. And these were guys that weren't these top prospects, these top super, you know, thought of guys, he brought them in here. They have been MLB players. They have been supplemental bets in your lineup. So I have faith that he can identify guys to bring in here and be ready to hit in the MLB while all of his big stars and the guys he wants to be your center pieces. He got from high school and they're going to take a couple of years, but he can get supplementary bets for trading pieces at the deadline. That's why I have faith in these guys that he's bringing in that might be MLB ready pretty soon. Not to be superstars, not to be Mike Trout, not to be Aaron Judge. Not to be MLB hitters, which is what we haven't had. Isn't it more Sean, like, at the end, if you want to use the comparison between baseball and hockey, like if Kenny Hollins signed them for the agents for bringing guys in as opposed to Steve Eiserman, use the same analogy, Alabama, Scott Harris, the spending's point is that I think to his credit, he can recognize talent and maybe that next, who are the guys that are down there like the two guys that he mentioned that are major league baseball players. So that gives me hope that we have something and he is the right guy for the job. It's just right now, it's just about patience. And we're at the point, it's funny you bring up Eiserman because I was thinking about this last night. We're at the point where I know a lot of Tiger fans raise my hand. You want to bring in a note, okay, it would be great if you brought in a note, a guy that has been established that you know wow I can't believe that we picked up that guy. And that's further down the line and you brought up Iserman, that's what Steve Iserman did last year. He brought in Patrick Kane. Like unless you live in a cave everybody knows who Patrick Kane is. Now there was a lot of back and forth about what does he have left. He just came off this hip surgery blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But it didn't take long for anybody and everybody to figure out okay Patrick Kane has a lot of game left okay Patrick Kane is an explosive Hall of Famer to be who all you have to do is watch him to see what people are talking about. And the tigers aren't at that point yet because I think and this is what we're all getting at. We have been in a point where whether we want to admit it or not many people in this fan base have put less thans on a pedestal because we haven't had much to be excited about. Whether it be Jake Rogers whether it be a keel buddoo doesn't matter. We've kind of put these guys on pedestals that they don't necessarily belong because we haven't had you know because our wants are want is so great. You got it we've been starved. Yep and and to your point earlier I'm gosh I'm glad that you and Mac last year you know what happened last year. Terrick scuba turned into a stud before our very eyes and nobody was paying attention. I was I got a jersey. I was you were you were I was a lot of you were but you know what happens people check out the lion's start Michigan football start everybody knew that Michigan had a really good season who knew it was going to turn into what it eventually turned into. Same thing with the lions okay realistic expectations with this football team and my gosh the lions not only met them but in my mind surpassed them. So what happens is when you're very close to apathy people check out they do and I don't think the average fan out there realizes that Terrick scuba turned into a stud. Forget this year it was last year because they checked out like you brought up earlier they were I want to see what's going on at training camp. You know what here's here's the irony. Great what's today? July 31st 2024. July 31st 2026. We're going to be sitting here going oh my god I wish I would have got sleep for the past two years because I got to go from this season to that season because you remember what it's like when the tigers are humming during the summer. Can you imagine the tigers humming into the lion's training camp into the red wings or whatever. So that's what I'm telling everybody because that's what the writing on the wall is slowly but surely because you have these teams that are trying to do it the correct way. Now in the NFL we always said it can go faster when it's done right and we're watching it right before our eyes and every facet. So I think that more so it's it's it's I it's all about all I hear is I no matter what we're talking about is can they identify talent. I think three of the leaders in this in this town have proven that and the rest of the other one with the pistons is is way to be seen. So we're going to jump in the time machine is is Mac just suggested okay. Let's go to forget 2026 let's go to July 31st 2025 and this is a question that I'm going to ask the guys in the room and all you guys in the chat as well a year from today a year from today are the tigers buyers or sellers are we still in this perpetual state I'm going to say it again a perpetual state of a year away from a year away. 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for uh the golden boy steel rule you're the uh hardened like steel boy of shawn belieger like like the old right the aluminum stiff shafts like shane used to be for the composites like you're you're grizzled steel do you have any do you have any wood sticks left do you have any of your old wood sticks uh-huh i think i know my mom's got my fifty full titan thick from jr and i scored it it's and it's wild he was a stud and belt um don't believe me look it up that's why we're friends because you saw me play it you know how great i was um i have i believe i have one louisville red and white um that was like not the one i scored my first goal with but one of those pet like it's crazy you pick that stuff up these days and i'm carrying a tree like a kid like justin justin you have no i i have do you remember this one the old canadian six thousand one oh i i have like a black and white canadian six thousand one it i'm you can do rehab curls with that seriously i i'm holding a tree trunk compared to some of the sticks today i actually do have some experience with that my dad owned like this it was like made out of like metal it felt like it was so heavy and so like i didn't even know what i was holding it felt like i was you know like a dumbbell or something now i don't even notice i have a stick it's so light it it's crazy how the evolution of hockey sticks have come to be and how they've gotten to this composite that just is grams compared to how happy do you think it was back in the day well i don't i every time i hold that stick i laugh i like honestly i because i i have it in my basement you know i i have a few sticks saved and everything and i have like i mean it's practically brand new i i think i used it one time and it like occasionally i go downstairs and i'm like i'm gonna shoot around i'm gonna shoot around a little bit just fire the tennis ball at the wall and i'm like how the hell did we use those sticks mac i know like honest of goodness it's unbelievable all right so here's a question we asked before we went to break and i i think spenny came up with this are the tigers belt buyers or sellers at the trade deadline next year and i'm i'm gonna go around the room i want to ask each and every spenny let's start with you because i think you came up with the question are the tigers buyers or sellers july 31st 2025 buyers or sellers they're they're gonna sell again they're they're all there's what we we talked about it the just mediocrity in perpetuity that they're stuck in the only way to get out of that in the mlb there are two ways you can get out of that in mlb you can do what the orials did blow up trade for top flight prospects get a bunch of top flight prospects in here they didn't it kept schoolable i'm fine with that the other way to do that is to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on impact bats they're not going to do that i have no faith that chris illich is going to do that they're going to be at the same spot next year as they are right now and they're going to sell just i'm on the same wave i there i don't think illich will spend truly enough i think he's going to do this skyhairs is going to do the exact same thing he did this year he's going to bring it hopefully more hopefully more veteran bats so you don't see a regression too bad i mean they're sophomore slump is probably guaranteed i could keep at some point but riley green you need to keep him elevated you need to bring in enough bats to make this lineup at mlb lineup and then you probably are going to end up selling and flipping all of them at the deadline to stack your prospect pool for when you're ready with the clarks and magnacles who we just got from the dodgers the swineys of the world all those players is our current window and either they're going to they're going to sell again it's as simple as that mac a year away maybe a year away i think you're still in the same position but you might you know you might be more solidified but i think that like all i want is a fan base is sort of see the direction right to all the names that you're talking about have to be getting closer if that's if that's the game plan but uh you know i i think the next big thing to realize or to see um is what they do are they going to sign scuvel to a long-term deal in the off-season or because they have team controller they they're going to use their option and wait it out that also too if you take care scuvel doesn't have a long-term contract coming to trade that line i mean it's just as valuable if not more right i am looking at this and i know that so many people out there think that it's incumbent upon chris illidge to open up the wallet and do as his father i i have no reason to believe that's going to happen yeah i'm not saying that it won't okay but based on what we've seen so far what would make anybody out there say that chris illidge gonna oh you can wake up one morning much like mr illidge did right mr illidge breakfast time ah you know what i think i'm gonna have this morning i'm gonna have some age benedict and maybe i'm gonna get the victor martinez on the side hey dave can you go offer a big bag to victor martinez and bring victor martinez so what's the best we can hold up the extra pizza machine right what's what's what's legitimately the best we can hope for you know the best that we can hope for is that scott harris can design this team much like the cleveland indians are built okay does anybody think the cleveland indians are going to go win a world series i don't know okay but the cleveland indians are a team that right now they're spent in what maybe maybe ten million dollars more than the detroit tigers and yet this is a legitimate intending team and doesn't have to play the game of we're only six back of the wild card which i think is the biggest fool's gold out there i'm sorry it just is mlb is doing as the nfl did and they are selling hope or okay or all the years that tampa was in the mix and they didn't have any kind of any kind of payroll whatsoever you get a bunch of good players spending much like you said i'm not saying five star can't miss guys you get a bunch of parts and you compete with what you have at your disposal especially in this division that would be best case scenario is that plausible a year from now no mac you nailed it we're gonna be in the i don't want to see the exact same spot because maybe we have a couple of these pieces here and and making us excited whether it be swiney whether it be dingler but i don't think we're going to be too far from where we're at right now i don't think so either and i guess what my hope is is that you know what is it like two three years from now that that if he's going to spend money he'll spend it on that one guy that we need because everything else is evolved its way that sort of if i was putting my money on it where i would now but um i did so right now i just want to see direction and the first thing i want to see is how quick before trays swiney gets his opportunity yep and the big league uniform because that will say okay i see a little bit of what you're doing that's all you want and until then i'll be over here with apathy you're on the lines and hoping nobody really is one of those it the crazy thing about it mac is like i i went and saw the tigers play out in an i um that's the end of june i think it was july first actually my boys out in l.a. and we went and saw the tigers playing an i was shocked at how many tiger fans were at that game shocked wow we are such a fan base that is desirous of of a legitimately competing team and i'm going to say it again i'm sorry guys i'm not one of those guys even when they were hot a couple weeks ago okay and we're really in it we're really in it no when you're five games out of a wild card spot and there were four or five teams ahead of you as is are you really that close but this fan base wants to believe and and you you go to different parts and we've gone to so many different parts mac i'm telling you this is this is no bs there were a ton of tiger fans in an aheim i'm not joking when i say this it was probably 60 40 that's how many tiger fans were there now i don't know if people like me that were out there on vacation i don't know if they were transplanted oh the tigers are in town i just want this franchise is so desirous and the one thing that we've seen about the tigers okay and mac this is going back to o6 i will never forget when it hit me that things were changed there was like a random wednesday night game during o6 and roger clemens was with the houston astros and the astros were in town and the place was flipping packed absolutely packed and like my kid at the time he's like six years old he's going wow dad isn't this different from the last couple years and i said get used to it son this is going to be around for a while the one thing that this town has definitively shown is if you give them a reason to come people are going to show up they will show up they're going to be at calmerica park man that's been that's been an un the only team that really has been immune to that is the detroit lines people always went to the soverdome people for the most part went to ford field i think o7 and o8 you know those lean years it was a little different but people are waiting give them something and and it's funny because you're a new mac you're a new spenny scene some of some of the stuff that people are saying in the chat we're not asking for a lot no give me something to be excited about and that's something believe it yes right oh lord above what is it give me some to believe me kaminski just heartbreaking absolutely heartbreaking i i really wonder i think if you read the tea leaves you saw that we weren't going to be playing a whole heck of a lot of exhibition games and i think that those games are are going to lessen i really wonder how much more we're going to see it camp look you have to have it you do there's no doubt about that but i figured since we have like a real professional athlete actually here in studio see him look at that right there there he is there's a professional athlete um i'm going to ask him when we come back how important are these training camps and hear me out i'm not saying that you shouldn't have it okay you can't roll into the season and not have it but how important are these training camps we'll get into that how the kaminski injury affects the lions as well don't go anywhere big d energy yeah but if you are going anywhere maybe it's to get a haircut and you know where to go lady james haircuts around walk in sit back relax of one of the talented stylists make you look and feel great maybe get one of those big hot leather wax mache massages or get that next shave whatever you want lady james has remember lady james haircuts around walk in anytime it's wicked awesome goodbye mclaren it's back august 22nd through the 25th at warwick 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call 1 800 stay out stay out of selling and perpetuity tigers please i just want a competitive baseball team guardian alarm you look security experts on big the energy we sent you right so we're uh almost at that point in time where we get to talk about these exhibition right tomorrow night all of fame game sorry i'm in i'm gonna watch it i understand what it is i totally understand what it is but i'm gonna watch and of course eight days away from the lion's taking the field and i always laugh every year because this has become a thing don't you want your starters to play more no one series is not going to make the difference in the course of a season sorry i i i categorically deny that but matt i saw a lot of people saying maybe you shouldn't go that hard and camp etc etc sadly an injury like we saw to kaminsky yesterday is going to happen torn mcl likely out for the season there's so much back and forth about how much of this is needed um do we have to go that hard blah blah blah matt i think there's a big difference between going hard at practice and going hard in some of these exhibition games there's just a huge difference but why don't we ask the pro matt how important are these training camps to professional athletes well d_n_c_n_t uh he says they are exponentially important they don't think they need a pro athlete to tell them that so i mean he's got it all figured out so i'd like to know why all right we'll move on why d_n_c_n_t_ are they important and why is it different depending on what type of team you have and it's and it's different i firmly believe it's different from a team that has won to a team that is learning how to win them from a team that has a culture that's built in to a team that's striving to build a culture what you have in detroit right now with this lion's team is they're still building that culture on hard work and not what they've done because they got to do it again and do it again now they're building that because if you look and i saw somebody put in the chat all the guys that are still here from 2021 from that beginning which is something that we've met we haven't seen which tells you why it's not the same old lions because of the turnover so it is slowly but surely getting there now i listened and it's all about game plan too so coming out every team can do it any way they want in any sport but do they have a plan and Dan Campbell has always told us that the hard work that we do now and the physicality will pay off down the road in the season that's their their culture their work they want to smash with each other now the biggest thing too when you're building because it's the same thing is like the red wing is going to camp this this uh september will be different than the florida panthers who want to stay on the cup going to camp yep was different from us going to camp 93 94 95 96 and going to 97 98 you know 0 2 whatever like that you and and it's more of you know what you have to do what's expected but it's also the biggest thing is implementing system right so why it's so important for this Detroit Lions seem to go hard well holy crap do we not have a brand new secondary and a whole bunch of different guys implementing on the defense of line you want to get the continuity on the offense even though it hasn't changed a whole lot but but you got you know something that you're unveiling to its full potential in james and williams and all these guys you want to see what you have you want to i guess yes it's unfortunate because injuries do happen but but with the way that the lions are approaching it and the way that they have that have made them successful it's like you go at it hard early with each other and it's also to a testament to that that that we're in you know we're in and and i guess it's just something that of getting your their new their new systems down and and getting accustomed with each other uh when you go i think football is different than hockey right because in hockey you're sort of taught other than if you're you're battling to get in but but training camp with your own team or your draft isn't the time to physically unleash you wait for exhibition but that's why there's nine exhibition games so it's set up differently where you want to be physical and you want to do that but it's still training camps for systems you know the red wings you hear the lawns one one three or whatever the hell he's implementing one three one or whatever whatever they want to implement well that takes time that's when you do it practice stuff like that so that's what the lions are doing and unfortunately injuries you know are are part of this what's a hundred percent in football there are two things that come to mind i'm going to use one of your teams as as an example the Detroit Lions are in a place right now because of Dan Campbell okay where the usual bells and whistles of training camp the training camps that i covered for so many years you don't need them okay let me tell you something during the mariuchi era you may as well been holding hands and singing the lego land song everything is awesome they wanted to tell everybody how awesome everything was and we're building something special here although you knew you saw with what they had at their disposal you saw the pieces you saw some of the divisions that everything was not awesome and this comes back to a word i know you love to use back culture Dan Campbell has changed the culture this is a team that isn't going to tell you what they're going to do anymore this is a team that's going to say this is what we did and we can do more and there's a huge difference with that mentality yep we won the division yep we want a couple playoff game but we are not satisfied in any way shape or form i'm going to use your team the 2001 2002 Detroit Red Wings a team that arguably arguably could be debated as the greatest team of all time can i quote Wayne Gretzky go ahead we was asked what was it like to play on the greatest team of all time Wayne Gretzky arguably greatest player in history said i don't know i didn't play on the 2002 Stanley Cup winning Detroit Red Wings and i i hope you remember this i remember going to a practice before the season started and you had Brett Hall come in you had Luke Robitai come in you had Dominic Hasha come in and you guys had your practice and then Scotty said all right hasha go down there lined everybody up with the blue line you remember this please tell me you do lined everybody up with the blue line and said we're taking penalty shots on hasha the entire team took a shot at Dominic Hasha nobody scored not one person i saw it with my own two eyes not one person scored i think i had the crossbar the second time around the second time around friend in chanahan was one of the first was one of the first shooters okay chanahan comes in hasha makes a stop chanahan kind of stood right next to him and looked at him like this like what the is wrong with you wait like what planet do you come from and you get the boys you guys all had a laugh out of it somebody finally scored it was probably draper with his hands but it was it was one of those honestly it was mac it was one of those things where that's something you can do when you're a team that had been there and done that but you were still hungry it had been a few years since your group had won and Kenny knew that so that's why he brought in robotite that's why he brought in hasha that's why he brought in those different pieces to get you to that point and so that's the kind of stuff a veteran team who had been there and done that can do other teams simply put i think you bring up a great example the floor to panthers you know what you just want to make sure that you're not complacent but you got to mix in a little fun as well and i think that's a difference in some of these camps well i mean there is and and you look at the lions as hard as they're working at paths and stuff like that but they're having fun it's having fun you have fun competing and getting together and because you know what the goal at the end end is they're in a different a different this is more like us in you know 95 or 96 when we know we were close and they have expectations of super bowl we have expectations when in our first championship so there's this focus but yeah uh where you you're dialing it in and you're doing everything to get yourself ready along with you know whether it's you know to study in the film and and you know you're pushing like i always say when the guy next to you is more important to you than you are to yourself that's when you will win and you're seeing that out there i have a theory that i'm going to run by you i i have said for years i i do not buy for a second that there are quote unquote multiple jobs up for grabs i think and i'm going to use your pharmaculture are you going to tell me that scottie bowman didn't know exactly what his lineup looked like on july first for it for good for good october first scottie bowman knew who was going now there might be a guy that whoa i this guy blew my mind well then you then you'll get a palvel come around right exactly and that guys like the same thing is is true right now for the detroit line i'm not saying that this entire roster is filled okay but are you telling me with what we've seen out of brad homes and dan campo through this stretch of time are you going to tell me that these guys don't know exactly what the roster is going to look like there might be a young kid like sweet justin who okay not only does dude work his ass off in camp but he put it on tape as well because we're not too far away from he put it on tape okay there might be the rare occasion where a guy like justin earns his way on the team but more often than not not as a starter and and so that's why i think sometimes yes camp is important but don't put too much into it these jobs are decided well but i think maybe in football it's a little different because what you're fighting against isn't the somebody beating somebody out of a job it's injured yeah and what dan campo has always said is that and and i go back to is that i realize early i have to prepare like all my starters will go down now john kaminski who is i i you know whether he was a starter or not but he was an integral part of that defense with what he brought is going to be missing so i think that it what you prepare for is that he in the football acumen is you know where you're going to lean for the next guy with the opportunity but guys are going to give opportunities but i also think is that when you're competing with each other and you've seen it before yeah guys kennel shine guys in this lines locker i think that opportunity if you earn it you will get an opportunity yeah one one job one position certainly up for grabs you hate to hear it john kaminski of course terrace's mcl likely out for the season so it's tuesday we have a top five list wednesday tuesday mac hit me up and goes give me your top five blank okay i'm gonna give you our top five blank are we allowed to say no or should i tease it oh you can say no you can say all right top five wedding or dirt and honor sticks wedding this weekend which should be there should be epic videos i expect a heavy weight to be in full form oh it's going to be awesome we are doing top five uh wedding or dirt when we come back but first let me tell you about swiss insurance now more than never it is critical to have your insurance reviewed swiss insurance to make sure your care is not slipping in extra fees how do you do that you call my buddy mark today at Swiss insurance 3 1 3 5 3 0 1 6 9 8 or go to swiss and s dot com at planet fitness you can get everything you need for just one dollar down try that planet fitness and dang they got lots of equipment not me getting a planet fitness membership just for the 24 hour perk hey y'all better get on these free fitness 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whatever the case may be um stick his friend to and he's getting married this weekend whereas guys like spenny and it maybe not so much for you yet justin but you know what a lot of your friends are getting married maybe your brothers get married spenny i know you can relate to that yep but you all have the routine of going to a wedding and most importantly going to the reception afterwards where back in the day spenny you're going to have to tell me if this is the case now like all jokes aside there's a reason why the movie wedding crashers was made oh yeah like mac i think you can relate to that i mean back in the day that was the place you're a single guy you want to go have some fun a wedding reception really helped you out we'll leave it at that but in honor of our buddy stick who is getting married this weekend congratulations pal we decided to roll with top five wedding or dirt list yes you want to go first i'll go first yeah i normally bet lead off so my top five wedding or derv list and Ryan lens put me in a dress but uh the chinares shut up to uh shut up the hunting to beach that was a great time i spent uh in orange county but at number five i got spring rolls love a spring roll you know whether it's filled with whatever you want but when they bring them over on a little tray love those and number four i got capris a skewers it's you got a you know a cherry tomato a ball of uh of mozzarella tomato the balsamic on top with some basil that's a good stuff number three i got buffalo chicken whether it is on a skewer in a little bite whatever you got i love some buffalo chicken number two sweetish meatballs normally just come on on a little poker you grab one boom pop it perfect and number one beef wellington it's what when i worked it on the ammo obviously we did a lot of luxurious fancy weddings for all the pizons and we uh on on these trays we had beef wellington in like a puff pastry kind of dumpling kind of thing and so you just popped in your mouth delicious perfect i could eat a whole tray of those they were so good so that is my top five liz beef wellington is a faraway number one i love those all right jesse you want to go next yep i will usually hit bad seconds so let's keep it pushing spenny all right young justin without the beard right there if you ever were curious what i look like without the beard but first off i don't mention i've never had this at a wedding but i saw they make lobster mac and cheese puff pastries that probably meant number one easily i just never had it so i can't put it on the list number five just simple fresh rolls i'm a big bread guy bread and butter so simple so easy you can give it to me and i'll be happy number four pigs in a blanket underrated chronically underrated it's such a staple honestly like if you don't have pigs in a blanket at like a tailgate wedding honestly i don't even know what you're doing it's so easy everybody loves them number three bang bang shrimp i love a nice little hot piece of shrimp maybe if it's fried or if it's just straight up doesn't matter to me i'll eat it number two little charcuti board as they say on hard knocks i know it's charcuterie but um simple you know basic but gets the job done and the number one i love a good caprisi salad especially if they have fresh tomatoes and a little bread with it as well i think that's the perfect combo for a summer wedding where you just want something light before dinner and that just hits a spot jake cruises 71 wants to know uh what is the korean beef jr's oh yeah mmm it's true let me tell you something honestly i have a big christmas eve feast at my house every year and and like i uh the main event is always something different everybody's invited but art smith you guys get that that's true we've already established that but all jokes aside like the main event is always different i you know i'm going to do a cajun turkey i'm going to do a prime rib whatever the pigs in a blanket are gone i'll make like a hundred pigs in a blanket and it's like how the what the gone i mean it's it's like because i'm running around like a chicken with my head cut off right i got to do this i got to do that oh i'm going to grab a handful of pigs in a blanket gone i mean they disappear in the blink of an eye it's like for a christmas dinner dude pigs in a blanket just it's right glizzy glizzy's in any style like that's where people might lie to themselves the most now batting third i'll go because great segue bless you look at that bless you great segue to number five oh remember those days great jersey great that was only the 30 goal year yeah that jersey goes hard that was only my 30 goal year holy that might be the biggest i've been look at that chunker anyways speaking of speaking of the pig pigs in a blanket number five absolutely can't go wrong with those you get a handful chicken skewers love the chicken skewers usually tie peanut butter dipper yeah um fruits and veggie plates i like them i mean right there whatever with your you know put it on my apples whatever it is uh number two the cheese tray you never walk by the cheese tray without trying cheese that you've never tried before um sometimes you walk into a bad one but that's okay part of the game and then Bruce shadow one timers right there were little one timers on the little blue shadow one timers all day on that little piece of bread and he's got to be a hard piece of bread oh yeah got to be the hard piece yeah i'm big with the hard outside soft inside that's usually in the middle i can do that i said screw the fruits and vegetables i mean to the surprise of nobody that was 18-year-old DRock yeah that was that was gosh that's probably about 10 years ago so you're all meat no sides like flannel yep uh sliders come on yeah and when i say sliders i'm talking chicken sliders i'm talking roast beef i'm talking pulled pork do it right come on give me a variety same thing with the flat bread variety platter okay yeah give me a little brashuta brashuta on some yeah give me a little meat on some that yes i'll allow some vegetables there many crab cakes i'm sorry underrated just incredibly underrated i love uh that steak bite with the good hard zip song that's it yeah i didn't even know that was in order yeah yeah oh yeah it's a little dipper yeah there it is there it's not a great one i was a sham on um shaker you can't you cannot lose get your get yourself some gabagoo that gabagoo get yourself you know a whole bunch of the different meats and find selection of cheese that's where you'll find me standing so that's what we're looking at stick i hope you have some great ideas i'll tell you what legend has some good steak bites oh yeah so does coliseum yeah those are strip club steak bites it five star chef oh yeah love those thanks i wish i i wish i could have seen some of the strip club shows that you guys oh man they're so highly of like i bet that that was peak woodward sports right there hey Detroit dabber 313 if you guys ever had bruchetta with feta instead of mozzarella made a basil feta on garlic i haven't but that sounds sounds more like a green sounds like sacrilegious to me well it sounds like a different dish need the first box out there come on you know what you could do though you could make you could make like the greek style thing but you can't call it bruchetta no no call it called something can't call bruchetta right a crappolister yes yeah go with the grit but i i'm i'm down with the idea some feta maybe some olive oh i love feta hey speaking don't say olives around this speaking of this for a lot a lot of our listeners who don't know that shamblesian here is the absolute grill master right now the fact that i've been to his house much times for his like this grill out that he's talking about something that's so i would be remiss this perfect time what is this summer's grilling item of choice usually there's a a theme that like usually the summer the weather usually dictates how you're you're getting into it i know it's not football season yet because when football season hits around that's usually on the weekends when you're humming but has there been a theme to the summer i have been on the beef short ribs tear for a while short ribs short ribs and it is there's no rhyme or reason with beef short ribs like if i do if i do a brisket if i do a pulled pork like i know the approximate time it's going to be done that i'm going to get that baby to 202 and ready to take off i'm mac i'm telling you with beef short ribs you just don't know i could put on four beef short ribs like you come over today i could put on four beef short ribs there might be two of them done in five hours there might be another one done in six hours and the other one might take seven and a half out there is no rhyme or reason to get the beef short ribs to 200 degrees none but i'll tell you what honestly other than brisket there's nothing more fulfilling than when you nail a beef short okay when you nail when you nail a beef because i'm telling you it the term meat handy it melts in your mouth it just you and you can always tell you can look at a guy i can look at spenny don't don't say anything to me you can't fake that it's not like faking an orgasm okay you can't fake when he puts that when he puts that meat candy in his mouth it just takes you someplace else man it's you i mean that that's it and i thought they handed out double uh paper towels at your house because no it's for your lap yeah your hands me and uh me my a couple of my buddies when we were in colorado my brothers friends we were you know fucked up it was like four a.m we decided to throw a couple of weeks steaks on the grill we cooked up these two big t-bone steaks sliced them up i put them on a burger with some with some uh a fried egg some uh hot sauce and some avocado and i had that at four in the morning it was oh man who do so many i don't think you were there correct me if i'm wrong but when when i was working at woodward before like three years ago i had like a woodward shinde yeah a bunch of guys came over i i don't know i wasn't yeah okay it's sorry you hate my family but it's really one of those things like i'm not like mac i enjoy it i enjoy it like the one big one that we had mac you you were like how many wings do you think you could make and i was like i don't know how many should i can you're like make a thousand wings i made a thousand wings we had three smokers going at the same time but i made a thousand wings and we finished them off by request mac was like oh man i i like when you finish them off like in the fry so you know what we did okay we'll get a fry yeah if dara mccarty says he wants a fry we'll get a fryer so we've fried them we put some sauce on them and i'm gonna have another shindeek like that yeah that was so i've never been to a show barbecue oh i think i'll think of a good job again i know uh college football week zero i'm having a few guys 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compare where the Detroit Red Wings are at right now to where the Detroit Tigers and the Detroit history you don't have a brain in your head if you can't see the direction that this team is taking and this goes back to something that Mac you said last hour about the type one of the frustrating things is what's the plan where are we going and now and I'm not patting him on the back just yeah but at least you can sit back and go all right I see what all right I say yeah we needed a shortstop I see what you do to compare where the Red Wings are at to either one of those teams is completely unfair okay you can see what the Red Wings have right now I'm not talking at Michigan State I'm not talking in junior I'm not talking about in Grand Rapids you can see what's here in Detroit wearing the winged wheel right now is it a lot now not yet be the first guy to say is it is it at full capacity no not yet but what you want to see is the path and it's funny because Justin and I were talking about this last week and I think you can bring Darren McCarty in on this conversation right now all right the Red Wings might not make the playoffs this year they might not honestly they might not make the playoffs this year and and you know what for me I don't think that's the end of the world in any way shape or form because I go back to the day Darren that Steve was hired April 19th 2019 this wasn't about merely just getting back into the play it never was about getting back into the playoff and starting a whole brand new streak and golly gee this is going to be great playoffs every single year this was about getting the Red Wings franchise back to that point that you referenced earlier Darren 93 94 95 96 did 93 saw yeah Boris Shevsky game seven I was not 93 94 Jamie Baker oh my gosh 95 I cannot believe that series was over as fast as it was but you saw the nucleus there and you knew that the window was going to be open for quite some time and how did that plan itself out we saw how that planned itself out now I'm not saying that there are four Stanley Cups coming down the pipe okay I don't know if it's the same league as it was that but what I am saying is sooner rather than later this team is going to be in a spot where every single year you have to think about them as a legitimate candidate to win the Stanley Cup much like the Tampa Lightning work okay in the difference is I will say this until I am blue in the face when Steve came here there was no Victor Hedman there was no Steven Stamkos two guys that were quite not ready for prime time but were this close there wasn't anything like that his starting point was vastly different but Darren to me I don't think it's fair when I hear people talk about the oh I'm tired of being patient I'm with you I get that I think Steve Eiserman has earned some more patience and again remember what he said day one if you pay attention to what a general manager is saying oftentimes he will give you the answers that you're looking for I think Steve Eiserman has been shooting straight since the day he was brought in here 100% listen when he talks and for the ones that are tired okay you're tired but like what's for nobody's ever given me an alternative what's the alternative other than it's his patience and a do you see direction we come off talking about what we're looking and hoping for from Scott Harris and the Tigers that we don't see clarity but maybe there will be with some of these young guys that they just acquire getting in the lineup soon well Steve Eiserman tells you the direction and it's building the foundation last year again dressed to probably killing the power play this year more or less the same percentage of the gold tending and to get it and you know like we're talking about analytics and talking about all this different stuff you got it's you got to combine both use use numbers but also the eyeball test yep at the end of the day Sean I said to you this this is it and I'm sorry I can't convince anybody else you're either in you're in the way you're on the you're on the program or whatever but the but it has nothing to do with pedigree it has nothing to do with record you know why Steve Eiserman and Detroit Red Wings will get back to glory or whatever what to the highest no matter what it takes it's because they'll out work everybody else what do I mean by that it's Steve Eiserman and Chris Draper will watch more live hockey game than anybody around the world and see players that they want so I mean the greatest part is he doesn't give a flying fuck would anybody else it's his job but tell me who who is better equipped for getting this team back to to glory then why aren't you waiting he's telling you no this is the way it has to be done and you're like but I want it done this way okay it's not what you want it's what's best for the organization and the way he's doing it is the best there's there's all little messages that he tells you when you look right a lot of the lack like a lot of the lack of movement we've addressed earlier in this offseason is because I believe that the talent that he has he's ready to give them the opportunity the Advinton's you know that's why the cost is for your move because you're gonna plug Advinton there so again we got to wait and see but I think that this team if you like they are right where they're supposed to be you brought up a great point too you know it's not it's not a linear line of playoffs or but like I mean like for everybody that's going with ever made the playoffs and do anything else I bring up the fact that well you had more wins than two playoff teams last year it's not your fault that the rules are the way it is but what is the way it is you are still one of those teams that are either in or out along with how many other teams eight like there's eight of you that are fighting for four spots because the eastern division and everybody else has just improved also so I mean it's a great time to be a hockey fan but it's just patience and like I've said all along it's it's still three or four years there are I think what people keep forgetting too is there are other teams believe it or not that are trying to do the same thing that Steve Eisenhower I know that sounds crazy okay and and I think there are two in the very division that are at least very close to where the Red Wings are at and in Buffalo and in Montreal that they've got a a slew of young talent they're they're doing the slow burn to get it going so even when this is all said and done there's no guarantee I will echo what you said for those of you that aren't aware I was very fortunate to do broadcasts in the Ontario Hockey League for many years I was fortunate to do broadcasts in the USHL for the NDTP for many years I was fortunate to do broadcasts at Michigan State I saw Chris Draper literally everywhere everywhere and I'm not just talking in our own backyard okay more on that in a second if I was in Kitchener wow there's kid there's Chris Draper if I was up watching that spinning up in the suit well you are such a great you don't even know you're a great out if I was up in in the suit I saw Chris Draper Chris Draper did an interview a couple years ago with you and I talking about how he knew every every inch of the 401 from Windsor all the way up and if they didn't create that way zap he'd be lost and oh by the way Steve Eiserman when he was general manager of the Tampa Lightning you know 2,500 miles away I saw Steve Eiserman as much as any general manager in the home rank that I worked out formerly formerly Compuarina which is now USA Hockey and this isn't like he's in the backyard he's a general manager of the Tampa Lightning for good thing so I think that stuff counts for some scouting counts for something I'm so glad that you brought up the analytics stuff and Justin I want to get your take on this because I think more often than not what happens is people will sit back and go well you're not from the generation of analytics I'm not saying throw the baby out with that I think analytics have a great place in the game today okay I think I do I I'm not one to just dismiss them I think the one thing that analytics forgets is if I'm looking at two players okay and I'm going to use Justin and Darren McCarty as an example all right maybe Justin's analytics look better than McCarty okay but you know what you can't quantify you can't quantify when the puck goes in the corner and Justin goes into the corner with six eggs in his pocket and he comes out with seven unbroken eggs in his pocket you can't quantify that Darren McCarty goes into the corner with six eggs in his pocket and then comes out covered in yolk there are things that you cannot quantify there is the eye test that Darren brought up where is the engine where's the motor this is a go guy it is 45 minutes of hell when that guy's on the ice well well how do how do analytics measure that how do they measure that you you can't measure that so I think sometimes people have a tendency to overthink it a little bit I young analytic Justin I completely agree and there's someone on this red wings team I just I think it's kind of a bad rap and it's cop I mean they look at the five and a half million dollar contract they look at the point production and they compare it to other people around the league and but they don't understand what cops true value is he is a plus defensive center who also will go into the corner and come out covered in yolk and that is something that is lost on just people who just check the box score check the stats like that's just not a way that you can quantify hockey because even just take Darren for example Darren in the NHL his stats never popped off the screen but you know like everyone knows in this town how integral Darren McCarty was to all of those Stanley Cup runs that the red wings have and you can't quantify it by stats you can't quantify him beating the shit out of them you like that's not a quantifiable stat and that's integral to them winning it's just that's why when me and flannel talk about hockey it's it gets tough sometimes because he's just trying to beat down stats to a pulp and I'm just sitting there like well there's 80 other things that go into the subtleties of the game and then one other thing I want to touch on and it's the the fact that iserman and draper live around the the juniors in the USNDDP scouting it also has to be a factor that it's so convenient for them they are in a true hotbed the dead middle of all things youth hockey they're in the best youth hockey state in the United States the USNDP is down the road they have two elite hockey universe three elite hockey universities in Michigan state Michigan and western Michigan and then they also have the OHL that completely surrounds them like they are in such a talent hotbed and yeah it might they still would be there but the fact that it's convenient and it costs less money to be there I think has to play a factor no it play but Justin you just nailed it think about it yourself when you have so many options and so many things to cover how do you cover them all without being there it's not like they're just covering one or the other yes there is more of a convenience but you also have to put the work in right like you got to put the work and I don't care if you're in you're in Florida or your North Carolina you're up north and boy and there's a lot of golf courses but to play them all you have to put the work in to play them all not to just say but you're going to end up playing one or two courses because I don't want to travel around these guys hit every everyone in it and yes so it's like don't I'm Victoria Cash and I want to invite you to a place called Luckyland where you can play over a hundred social casino style games for free for your chance to redeem some serious prizes so what are you waiting for the best way to discover your luck is to spin so go to 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just sell the nine mile check out Les Stanford dear one today Les Stanford dot com Les Stanford Chevrolet together let's drive all right so i was watching good morning football and they put this clip out of pile brand talking about the masses not around here i think we're all pretty realistic about the line right i think even those dudes that are waiting for their heart to be broken so they can say i told you so this franchise is never gonna win you know all the i think even those dudes have to be a little quiet after what transpired last year okay but i want to ask you guys out there and the guys in the room do you want as far as to say the Detroit lions are being slept on people nationally are sleeping on the lions oh it was a cute little story last year blah blah blah but we've moved on look at what the Chicago Bears have done look at the maturation of Jordan love in real time last year oh those are things to get excited about and i'm a firm believer like i don't know when it happened but way too many people are infatuated with what's next as opposed to what is right i'm of the opinion i think this window is open i think this window is open for a few years there's no guarantee there okay i'm not sitting here guaranteeing Super Bowl or anything like that because i go back to like three four years ago i think a lot of people thought that josh allen and what the buffalo bills had was going to guarantee something and they've just been stagnant okay make no mistake about it the lions have taken the next step but from your guy's vantage point mac and and Justin and spenny will start with you do you get the impression that the national media is maybe sleeping on the Detroit Lions a little bit i think they are and i think it's i think it's based on what happened that we're legit now like we remember last year everybody was hyping us up everybody was talking about us because we are the cute team we're the nice story to root for and all they haven't won a playoff game in 30 years oh they've never won the north look at how cute Dan Campbell is riling these guys up at practice but now when we beat your favorite team in the playoffs when we beat the the Los Angeles Rams in the playoffs when we're toe-to-toe with the Niners in the NFC Championship game it shakes the nerves of ESPN and big media to be like oh shit the Detroit Lions are actually a damn good football team and are probably gonna have a Super Bowl parade in a couple years so i i don't think i think they're scared to see that the lions are actually a juggernaut in the NFL and they're not just a cute team that oh look at that little guy you know running around kicking the ball he's so cute no we're actually a problem for for the the cowboys and the Niners and the the Rams and the media darlings that they got to look out for the rugged Detroit Lions it's ridiculous that people even consider the fact that the bears are even on the same level as us i've seen it in the national media shout out Adam Rank like i know he's pretty biased but still like that is absolutely absurd and then you want to talk about the Packers i mean we had a better off season than the Packers you can go to almost every scope position no not even scope position any position on the board and we are better than the Packers on at least 80% of them i went i've looked roster spot for even the DB's which one of our biggest concerns this year and we have a bunch of unproven's there they have unproven's there as well eric stokes has not played a full season in through in three years and he's played 10 games and he's your quarterback too for the Packers good luck with that like i just don't see it i think we are getting slept on like everyone Detroit knows that this team is a juggernaut and knows that we added no one in the national media except for maybe Lewis Riddick really understands how good this Lions team is going to be macker you getting those vibes do you think do you think people are sleeping i like you dude it was i don't know sleeping on it disrespecting not you know taking it seriously and here's the greatest thing the self awareness coming out of this is fuel that's all this team needs yep is getting a little bit disrespected to stuff like this yeah you hear all the pundits about the Packers and Chicago i agree the NFC North is up and coming division and it's going to be a dog fight in this division coming through but we are the bell of the ball so that's cool because i've been this was sort of like our career you know about being you know sort of slept on a little bit or couldn't get it done or whatever like that not that point i believe that this is like because because for me firmly the Lions are the true America's team now the beginning of it so as this demise of this Cowboys into this season with everything's going on you know contracts this and that i think that because Detroit comes into its own nationally that throughout the season with what we expect to be true right they become America's team more and then they start getting more of the respect but no they still got to prove it and i think it's perfect for this group just like the training camp that they're doing is perfect for this group i hate the Bears have i ever mentioned that i think i have a few times i grew up in an era Mac and i grew up in an era where the Bears were the measuring stick okay i watched with pure jealousy those Bears teams do the things that i wanted my team to do consistently be a contender eventually win a Super Bowl stay in the mix for many years i know for many of you your hatred is pure packets okay but Justin you brought up the Bears and i think the Bears are a perfect example of what i was just talking about the whole infatuation with next okay i can be fair and sit back and say i like a lot of what the Bears have done i do and the Bears are going to be a team to be reckoned with i think sooner rather than later they have a rookie quarterback are you new to the national football league you know the thing about rookie quarterbacks is they do rookie quarterback things okay and i'm sorry i'm not going to rely on a rookie quarterback to be the be all and all especially when you basically created a whole new team and i think that's where the Chicago Bears are at right now both things can be true i like what they've done i think look out this this might be a team to to reckon with in the next couple years but i'm sorry when you got a rookie quarterback pardon me if i don't sit back and and and whoo i'm not going to do that okay the Packers are legitimate whether you guys want to admit it or not i don't care i still think the Lions are a better team but i'd be lying if i said i don't have thoughts of what Jordan love did on Thanksgiving dancing in my head i'd be lying if i didn't say i don't have thoughts of Jordan love looking as good as he did at times against Frisco in the playoff but i still think that Detroit Lions are a better team it almost reminds me of what we were just talking about with the Red Wings as well okay um the Red Wings are going to be better you know maybe not at the level i can't say that the wings are at the level with the Lions is i can't say the wings are at the level of the Pistons or with the Titans but what you're talking about in the division Mac is the Packers are going to be a threat and the Bears are going to be a threat maybe not this year as much as some people are apt to make them to be just the same is the same in this division okay Montreal is going like this Buffalo is going like this Ottawa has the pieces i'm still convinced there's something in the water there and it's just never ever going to happen and you know maybe some of those teams at the top like Tampa are ready to go like this or Boston's ready to go like this we're infatuated with the next as opposed to sitting back and saying there's still a ceiling yet for this Lions team man oh they're not there yet look at the young talent look at what we were talking about you were here yesterday we're talking about the emergence and just the consistency out of camp over here at our Jason William and stuff like this all my rocks same browning slowing down who haven't we mentioned on offense this offseason Sam Laporta member him pro ball loading you know stuff like this we haven't even really touched on the offense and yet what they did yesterday and solidifying Taylor Decker which you know is all part of the plan because it goes back to the end of the season meetings where Dan Campbell says just be patient we got you bro you know like they're it's genuine they're coming through and stuff like that's so they're building with all this and and they're improving this team isn't the best that they're going to be they got a lot of guys that are getting better and and we got to see we still you know is speculation on the improvement of the secondary but we haven't seen it I mean that's the exciting part and we got to enjoy 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that's crispy Nashville hot pizza you brought it up Justin there's something about this this like time 11 to 1 like when I was doing the show with joy can I sit in with Mac now for for Neil Wolf there's something about this because you're talking that no man's like you're like all right do I eat before the show do it do I eat before the show you know like 10 10 15 now wait till after the show and then about 11 30 hits and you're like I got to stop talking about beef short ribs and pulled pork and things like that because you're just dying you just want you want to destroy something yeah you were killing me over here I can't lie I was running late this morning usually I grab like a muffin or something from Tim Hortons and eat it between the shows from 10 to 11 but today I was running late wasn't able to do so and then then you started talking about that barbecue and you had me salivating over here in this booth I like you were making it sound so good and I can tell you look like someone who can really rip a smoker what are you guys talking about what are you guys what are you guys yeah it must be nice to see breakfast on the show I thought this was the breakfast show pick the energy breakfast show all right so the corner situation we can talk about it until we're blue in the face but I think much like we were talking about earlier with Steve Eiserman I think the Dan Campbell is a guy that's going to give you the answers it might not be the answer you're looking for but he's going to give you the answers likes what he's seen so far but we have to see how ferocious they are how you know how they get after it etc etc but at the same time let's be honest when a guy like a keep to leave who knows a little something about the secondary talks highly about what you have at your disposal I think it counts for something so sunny got my got my attention like stuff that gets you out of your phone yep right but that's the real thing what are things is thought about things get you out of your phone yep when when a respected Super Bowl champion guy that's been around the game and say what you want about the human being or whatever else besides it when it comes to football acumen and they're talking about football you have to listen good or bad just the same way as I'd want to hear from a veteran guy that's played even if it's things I don't want to hear I have to take it into information so so take heed if you haven't heard this yet all right here's a key to leave on the lion's corner situation can I can't wait to watch the lions and Terry and Arnold and and mainly because Carlton Davis Jr he has an NFL vet on the other side of him and that's going to be a top tandem I'm calling it right now another one they'll be a top tandem in the league as far as cornerbacks just just because Arnold is a ball hawk last year I mean I think you have five or six interceptions in college if you get interceptions in college you get interceptions in the league man it always translates and Carlton Davis is it always been a fan of Carlton Davis Jr so yeah I think that revamp their revamp secondary man uh add a guy to the trenches the lion's gonna do big things and I think they they corner back tandem would be a huge part here's a guy Mac to what you were just saying he has no vested interest in talking this situation this isn't being a homer there's no lion ties there or anything like that okay this is a guy that knows a little something about the position that's talking that up okay I'm always you know no don't get me wrong we have to see it translate on the field we can talk about this we did this is a huge we don't know we don't know what I do know is this I trust Brad Holmes do you I don't know how you can't and when a guy like I keep to leave is saying stuff like that yeah it's worth a listen when when he said when he says is there something something jumped out to me right there to when they say an interceptions translate from college to pro right and in staying tearing Arnold being a ball hawk or whatever a one thing to listen to Carlton Davis brought his name up by name twice about legit that's a size guy and the fact that's going that this could be a top tandem in the league all right yeah I'm but where's my popcorn where's my drink let's go where we watching this game I'm all I'm all eyes for right now everything else has to play you know play but keep to leave I mean that that's gets me excited it gets me excited because like you said don't take it from somebody who maybe has vested interest in it I trust Brad Holmes I I'm gonna say I'm gonna say that until I'm blue in the face honestly and if you don't yet it isn't his fault that's on you and he realized that they had to be an upgrade it was a massive I mean a massive change let's be honest but at the end of the day I think his batting average is pretty good in regards to putting a circle around something and saying we need to improve that and there's no doubt about it that unit has to be improved now again this is the time of year it's all thought and tomorrow is August 1st and we all know what happens in August I've called it crazy month forever okay because we've been taking in all this information about our football team right we've been taking in all this information and we're so close we're so close to actually kicking off and seeing real football that we let our imaginations get away from us and all of a sudden everybody suddenly improves by a game or two just by the mere chatter that is being tossed all around town well it doesn't always work that way and that's why in the interest of being fair I'm just because we've been talking this up that doesn't mean Mac that it's automatically going to be everything that we hoped it to be and that's why August is crazy month you can only talk so long these guys are gonna have to prove it on the football field and Dan Campbell's the first guy to say but listen here's here's what you want right when you have national pundits overlooking you that haven't played the game or on a national level like the Peter Shraggers or stuff like that there's one thing they have their own and then there's another thing when you hear a guy that has played going hey take a look at this this is what I'm seeing hey it's up to you to decide who who you're gonna best your interest in all right one more segment to go on a Wednesday uh ask a big DE anything you want we'll get into this goth behind Tua and Jordan stuff I'm a big one you're muted no actually no you can't now I can because I'm unmuted but I just wanted to make this declaration one more time I am taking applications if you would like to join the Ennis Rake Straw Junior Fan Club I am starting it I am the founder and we are aggressively pursuing applicants because that dude is a dog when the pads came on the dog came out and I just love that man all right one more segment don't go anywhere big DE on Woodward Sport and let me tell you about Planet 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What do you guys make of this whole situation with doff being behind both to and jordan love in the NFL top one like sort of sort of on brand for the NFL I see I do to to disrespect your quarterback and what like you get sort of used to and say it's in a lack of a better term it's the chrisa's good thing right you know what i'm saying like but all you got to know is that the guy if you petition the guys in the building that's not where they hold him they play this is their king dude so I mean it's just on brand it gets funnier as you as the more that he proves the more that he does to whatever else but it's sort of apropos on brand I think there comes a point in time and i'm a living example of that look i'll tell you point like three years ago i thought jurid doff was a mental measure i thought he was shocked i mean after what happened his last time in l.a i mean guys let's me he was a mess but do you know that spennies the spennies the epitome of i've come around honestly and he's proven it and he's you know he said that we've watched spenny now you know saying that you know they went to super ball i'm getting the tattoo you're not making them bed it to get the tattoo but spenny's the first guy that like honestly naturally has come around to the other side to live it right spenny like exactly what you're saying you have to and here's the routine i think both things are true okay people argued with me three years ago that this was a struggling quarterback he was who wasn't taking a shot he was a struggling quarterback period end of story i get both with the rams and his first year here and then you know what the other side of that has to be true if you're one of those guys right now that you can't give the guy his flowers for what he's shown you in the last two years it's not his fault then he had me in tears he had me crying because the detroit lions did something i've never seen before in my life and that's win a playoff game i i might have been a you know but i was a little scared but those were real tears and i went on this mic and i said jared golf is the greatest quarterback in lion's history and stick through a fucking loop like because you know stick he's a big golf guy and i was with you shawn i didn't believe he could get it done i didn't believe he could he obviously still has to win a super bowl but i don't doubt that he can do that now i don't doubt that he can go out there and he could be anybody you put up against him he's shown it he's proven to me he's done more in three years than any quarterback for the lions has done my entire life i don't care if you don't think he's a star doesn't matter to me that doesn't that means nothing to me i i don't know people get worked up but mac i like the way that you said it huh it's on brand whatever i don't give a crap i know what i saw the last couple years in particular last year and if you're not seeing that i'm going to repeat that's not his fault that's your fault i mean this is a guy that has proved the doubters and in my mind rightfully so wrong by his play not talking about it but actually going out there improving it so i'm i'm not going to get worked up over it and i think a lot of times these conversations devolve into trying to prop one guy up while crapping on the other guy i like to uh i like jordan love that's good best of luck to both them except when you're playing the lions right mhm i'm pretty cool with jared goth and what he has around him here and that's so like to me mac i don't get worked up over that i i just kind of like you i just shrug my shoulders and go huh okay cool whatever that that sounds familiar i listen i couldn't give a crap if you put them out of the top 100 yeah you know what i care about get your cameras at the at the parade when the parade happened make sure your cameras are there and we can all celebrate our less than quarterback just just like chris hosgood which by the way mac sorry you were part of that team and i mean no disrespect to hank chris hosgood should have won the consmith trophy in two thousand eight period end of story i will go to my grave saying that but it's not on brand you seriously use the disrespect on brand you guys don't be nashville without presosgood period back that's it he guy came in and saved it whatever whatever all right so on brand that's that's a that's a perfect way to say it all right any questions before we get out of here mac not at all we will see everybody live tomorrow if you live on your area we have premiere pet supplies alive spending you there whoa somebody bring the reads all bring the reads all right that was good have a take a smile this is rough it is ryan here and i have a question for you what do you do when you win like are you a fist pumper a woo hoo a hand clap or a highfiver if you want to hone in on those winning moves check out chumba casino choose from hundreds of social casino style games for your chance to redeem serious cash prizes there are new 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