Tom is joined by Vin to discuss the USA tour, the Community Shield and the futures of Toby Collyer and Harry Amass.
The Hated, Adored, Never Ignored Podcast
USA Tour Review + Community Shield Preview
(upbeat music) - Welcome back to hated, adored, never ignored for the latest installment of your Manchester United Chats. Ben is joining us on the pod again this week, which is very, very good of him. And I'm looking forward to this chat because there is a lot to get through in regards to reviewing the USA2. The pre-season is over. Well, define over if you can't be community shield as a competitive fixture or a trophy or another pre-season friendly. That's up for personal opinion, which we'll touch on the community shield at the end. But the tour part of pre-season is over and there is a lot to discuss. Performances, individual performances, the team performances, injuries, transfers, every 10 HUG, results, et cetera. And no one likes losing, three-nil to Liverpool, despite what the performance did look like. So I've been before again, everything. How's things? Things are pretty fine. I think the season's about to begin, even though we both might not agree in the community's shield being a pre-season or the season starts or whether it's a friendly. I'm a bit excited because we couldn't do worse than finishing eighth that we did last year, did we? So, yeah, hoping for the best, hoping for a positive run from the club this time around. Now, fingers crossed. And you say that, which is one of our lines. I always go to what the start of every season. It can't be worse than last year, but we seem to say that every year and we seem to reach a new low. But hopefully this is a new era for Manchester. Which I do, but I thought there's a long way back, but I do believe it steps in the direction of a new era fingers crossed. But before we get into it, I did forget this week's trivia. So I want to hit you with this week's trivia bin, which will revisit the answer at the end if they have run plan at home. But I wanted to answer this one. Who was the player who scored for Real Madrid in the Champions League during the 2004 season and also scored for Manchester United in the Champions League in 2009? So who scored for Real Madrid in the Champions League in '04? And also scored for Manchester United in the Champions League in 2009. We'll revisit that one in a little bit, but tricky one, but you should get it when you, definitely when you hear the name of it. Oh, of course. But we'll revisit that in a little bit. But then USA Tour is over. Unfortunately, Manchester United didn't travel to Australia, the last Australian Tour. We were there in Melbourne and fingers crossed. They aren't too far from revisiting our shores and we won't be then complaining about fixtures and travel and player injuries. We'll just be happy to see them in the flesh. We're very sort of critical when they're a far, when they're in Asia or when they're in the US. We criticise all these little intricacies of the tour, but we definitely wouldn't be complaining if they're in our backyard. Hopefully we have that problem next year or in two or three years time. But an overall view of the USA Tour is that it was a good tour. It was a good pre-seize because we have had horrible ones and we do remember the one where Jose Mourinho was over there. I think it was off the back of a World Cup. I think it was and the transfers weren't happening. I think one or two games got postponed for you to wear the sort of thing that was crazy. And Jose Mourinho was throwing young players under the bus. It was just a chaotic tour which set the tone for an upcoming four season for Jose Mourinho and Manchester United. But this tour ups and downs I think, especially in the way it's been perceived by the media and by fans and rightly so that there has been one or two talking points, but there's an overall view of the USA Tour. Is it being a good one or a bad one? So there you go. You rewinded time for me. And now I'm thinking, has there ever been a successful United season after a US tour? Yeah, the Jose Mourinho one comes into a mind where he gets sacked in the middle of the season. It's the same one, isn't it? And of course, we didn't have a great season last year as well. Personally, I felt it's a pretty OK-ish. It's a balanced season. We didn't have a really, again, free season friendly. We can't just throw our toys out of the prem just because the team wasn't performing well or anything of that kind. The good part is like we were able to see youngsters playing game in and game out. There were a lot of chances given to the ones that had been making waves or knocking the doors in the youth squad. So that's a good thing. Good to see Sancho back again playing for United. And of course, we did see that Blinken miss opportunity that was given to Leniro before he got the injury. And yeah, I can't wait to answer my question. Probably this might be a wonderful season for United. And we can come up with that trivia question saying, like, when was the last time United out a successful season after a US tour? It's a really fairly OK season. We lost against Arsenal, but we won the penalty shootout. Not that it makes sense. We won against the Rangers. Real bet is that was a very tight second half. And against Liverpool, even though we lost 3-0, it kind of felt our performance was like the team was clicking. The score line, of course, is crazy. It's pretty ill against Liverpool, toys out of a prayer and understandably. So I would say though, I would say best performance, but almost most encouraging performance. I thought there were good signs and we were cut open at times. But no one was complaining the countless times we opened Liverpool up. We always sit here and when they play through Casamiro and Toby Collea, whoever they-- oh, how open are we in midfield? We never complained that 10-15 times of the first half, we did the exact same thing in Liverpool. And they have in the same debate, probably. But that is football. When you do play good football, you're going to cut through teams. And I do think we played very good football in that first half. But also, Liverpool are a good team. They finished third. It's third against eighth in the Premier League. Their body should be winning. And they're a Liverpool are a good team as well. So I was actually encouraged with that game. Obviously, very disappointing to lose 3-0. Of course. And look, you do look at the goals. There was a deflection. There was a mistake by Toby Collea on Marmad Sallock, which is one of all the best players against a kid from Manchester United Academy. And the third goal was offside in the build-up. So on another day, Manchester has scored two or three in the first half. We're having a different debate about the performance, because the score line looks more favourable. So I understood the frustration with that much. But I thought performance-wise, I think, will very much on track, especially considering the sort of increase level of opposition. So going back to the sort of performances, how much we can-- it's so hard to evaluate the performances from a collective point of view. This goes across the board for Liverpool, for Arsenal, for Manchester City, for Manchester United, for all the clubs who had a plays at an international tournament, whether it be the Copper America or the Euros. Could you do look at it? You think, OK, we're losing to Arsenal, we're losing to Liverpool. We don't have Bruno Fernandez, we don't have Lucero Martinez, we don't have these plays. I'm trying to sort of want to make sure it's obviously key. Coby Manu is obviously key. And other clubs obviously have the same issue. Liverpool don't have Virgil Van Dyke, et cetera. When you sit on that, just as a fan in regards to can you evaluate, like, is it almost two different teams? The team we're going to see against Fulham is completely different. Obviously, physically it is. But in regards to judging the performances in regards to we have improved from Arsenal, or we haven't improved, or you just sort of the personnel aren't thinking, "I can't run too much into it," because you look at that game against Liverpool, that the 11 who finished the match, that would be some trivia question. I bet you couldn't end the 11 on the pitch now. The 11 that finished the match again, so you wouldn't be able to name them. This play is like James Scanlon and plays like that on the pitch. So they're obviously not going to be involved. So how do you evaluate the performances in looking at the end to Fulham? The first thing I would probably want to compare with our last year's pre-season, which was against in the US, again in the US. But this kind of, this particular pre-season felt it just flew by, right? Like, there wasn't much traveling. There wasn't much chaos. And players were getting their rest. And of course, there might be some backstory behind how the training and how the sports management team was managing the welfare of the players. Of course, we did have those few injuries, which could have been avoided. But I kind of felt like this was more positive than what we had in the last season, right? And regarding the players, right, like we actually got rid of our first team, assistant manager, and then we hired Renee Hake and Ruben Elsteroy. And probably they would have spent like, what, three weeks with these players. And of course, still coming up with a kind of a pattern or a kind of, I know it's too early to dig into pattern and everything. But if you look into the philosophy of how the team is pressing the ball when we are out of possession, is quite fresh to look at. And that was something that was missing last year throughout the entire season. And so there are some little positives in that way. And of course, you are right, these players are never going to play together in the same team, again, and still come up with a performance of that kind. Like, we could have been smashed six-nil or seven-nil against Liverpool yesterday. We didn't. Again, that's not an excuse. But what I would say is it's still early status. It's a learning curve. It's a steep learning curve, especially for the youngsters. And it's a learning curve as well for the new coaching management team, because they are learning, they are getting to know the strengths and weaknesses of the players. And based on that, they will be taking decisions when the season starts. And in case of Rashford or any other players scored at least one or two goals yesterday, the score line would have been different. And we'll be having a different conversation. So I wouldn't be pressing a panic button right away after that loss. I would still be hanging on to the positives. And I'm expecting the team to grow from their mistakes quicker than what they did last year. So those will be my really low-level goals and objectives for the upcoming season, which I'm quite sure they will be taking that off the list. It's interesting in regards to, you mentioned the players, whether it be a re-spanner, or a wolfish, or a James Scanlon, these players who aren't going to play any sort of role in Manchester United season, or you would think probably won't play a role in Manchester United's first-team season, but there's also players who are first-team players who won't play, who potentially will be playing against Manchester United in two weeks, and a spot will dominate for full-on, or Aaron Wabisaka for West Ham will play sort of pivotal roles in Manchester United's pre-season, but they might not be part of the set-up. So it always shows an interesting dynamic in regards to the progression of the individuals and the collectives in the pre-season. In regards to the lowlights, there's no doubt the lowlights in this pre-season of the injuries. Rasmus Wellland out for a few weeks, hopefully he's back in round three or four games in the season, so it's not an absolute disaster. The disaster is obviously Leni Jorro, who I'm factoring his foot, and he's going to be out for the best part of three months, then let's say he's got three months, then he's got a month of sort of getting back. So it's unfortunately going to be a long time out for Leni Jorro, and we're going to have to, he'll be like a new sign in come Christmas. Obviously, he'll be back before Christmas, but hopefully a little bit of patience will be needed there. So obviously the lowlights there, the injuries, and we can see here in point fingers and say, okay, we training him too much. He shouldn't have played this game. He should have been summed on at this minute or summed off at this minute. Who knows? Someone's plays just break their foot home. It's a quite unfortunate, common injury in the modern game, especially around Manchester United, Metatarsal, how many players, how many famous players have broken those. So Leni Jorro, welcome to the club, but the highest. Toby Colley and Harry Amasa, and feel free to throw other people in there, in which I'm sure we'll touch on a little bit more when we look ahead to the community shield, but they are the two players who did steal the show. Now I've mentioned in regards to my thoughts on Toby Colley and just the simple, the narratives and the symmetries in regards to the way Colby Maney was brought through, and Harry Tanhar, certainly wanting Colby Maney to come through. It's very easy to see the same comparisons with Toby Colley, and I do believe they are there, because I think he's performing well, and he's adding stuff to the midfield now for all his fit. Colby Maney comes in over Toby Colley, and Toby Colley doesn't play. So it is up to Toby Colley to take his chance when it is given to him, probably in the lead cup later on in the season. But before we get in the Harry Amasa, I just want to stay on the midfielder, and what do you do with him now in regards to the so much future speculation over Christian Ericsson, especially Scott McTominay? Let's say Scott McTominay leads. Okay, there's the, opens up a spot for Toby Colley to come in. But you've got to go spend 50 millions on Ergato from PSG. Well, that knocks Toby Colley back down a peg. What do you do with him, and it's a very similar discussion to the left back, but a little bit different in regards to in midfield. There's always two or three positions you can fit a midfielder in, whereas a left back with Harry Amasa just one spot. He has either plays or he doesn't play Toby Colley in midfield. If he doesn't play in the eight, well, he might play in the six. There's always one or two variations where they can get their minutes. But what do you do with him, if we do sell a midfielder in Scott McTominay and bring in Ergato from PSG, where does he sit in midfield? Is he going to get enough football this season at Manchester United? Would you wait and give him that chance in the lead cup? And if there are one or two injuries he can work his way into the first team? Or at his age, a little bit older, he's obviously even playing a reserve team football, do you look to potentially secure a loan deal somewhere? I would personally keep him closer to the first playing 11-square. I wouldn't be starting him. Of course, in case if you go ahead and sign Ugarte, Ugarte, Manu and Bruno would be my midfield. But in case if we don't get him, if we don't get Ugarte, I think he can slowly learn and be not a like-for-like replacement for Scott McTominay, but at least he will get more of a playing term into starting 11 or even in the first team squad. But one thing that we need to understand is like we are playing Europa League this year. And in case even if we go towards the quarterfinals and the semi-final stage of it, it comes to close to around 50 to 60 games, 55 games, let's say. In case if we also play well in the lead cup and the FA Cup. So which means our squad needs to be really strong and there must be good backups. So worst case, especially with us and the new signings, United new signings and injuries are a match made in heaven, unfortunately. I think even if Ugarte comes in, there is always a likelihood of him or any of our other midfielders getting injured. And with his versatility of playing a six or an eight, I'm quite sure he will be more useful than other midfield players we have in our squad. Of course we have Mason Mount, we have Christian Ericsson as well, but with the legs of Christian Ericsson and with the fitness and the consistency of Mason Mount, I would probably be in that minority in putting Toby Collier ahead of the two of them because of a few things. Like I said, for like replacement of Scott McDonald's, the opposition teams probably don't know what his strengths are, what his weaknesses are, to just surprise them every now and then we can bring him in. But I wouldn't be looking to send him back to the reserves or ask him to play in the youth squad again or anything of that kind because I think the transition is nearly there. He wouldn't be getting those minutes in case if Eric Tanhag didn't have a plan of transitioning him from the youth squad to the first team. So that's the way I look at it. I'm quite sure he will have quite of a role to play for United this season and I'm looking forward to seeing another youngster break his mould and get into the first team. Yeah, it's interesting, look, I don't disagree with much there. In saying that, I would probably be in the minority at the moment, I believe the minority here, I would like to be out and I love nothing more than seeing these young players come through. I'd love Toby Collier to start against full on my love and to score the winner against Manchester City at Wembley. I love nothing more than that. I just think given the situation, the name that springs to one, I don't know if this is midfielders with blonde hair but it never runs a Twitter-time one at the moment, the man who was trending his kind of Gallagher. And I think in regards to kind of Gallagher was at Chelsea, he went away to Palace of Premier League football. I would really look around the Premier League ground, say who at the bottom of the table wants a young energetic midfielder to help it and I would see how he got his teeth in the Premier League, let's say a club like I know Brentford or who were the promoted clubs Leicester, etc. Southampton, can you give Toby Collier 25 games in the Premier League this season and see what he looks like? I'm just not sure he's going to get that football that he probably does need at Manchester United this season. So that is what I do sit on that but everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion. Now, very similar debate now, obviously some differences as well in regards to Harry Amass at left back has been probably the standout in regards to performances from a Manchester United perspective. I think everyone amongst the fan base would agree there. Again, I love nothing more than these young players coming through and playing for Manchester United. And saying that, Toby Collier and for me, Harry Amass, which will get into the Community Shield preview in a little bit, I think they should both start that match. In saying that, looking ahead to the season and further ahead into the season, Harry Amass, I don't think it can be part of the plan in my opinion at left back. And what I mean by that, if Harry Amass ends up playing for Manchester United this season, I've got no issue. I love it, absolutely love it. It can't be a part of the plan. It has to, not by luck, but it has to be sort of a natural progression in regards to he gets his chance in the League Cup plays really well. Luke Shaw is suspended for the next Premier League game. He gets another game in the Premier League play as well, starts to take his spot there. I don't think the plan can be, okay, Luke Shaw is first choice. Troy Molassie is not in the picture. We're not going to sign a left back. Diego Delo is not going to play the left back. Harry Amass is the backup, because what that means then is let's say Luke Shaw breaks down and has a six-month injury layoff. Are you going to count on Harry Amass to play 30 games in a row for Manchester United? I don't believe that is the answer for Harry Amass. I don't believe that's the answer for Harry Tamharth. And again, if he works his way into the team and finds himself in that position through his own doing fantastic, I don't think it can be part of the plan. Just in regards to he's 17, and I think he's only recently turned 17 as well. It might be wrong there, but he's just so young and I love the excitement. I love the hype around him. I just think we're a little bit, a little bit too excited, and that's part of Intermence and Notifym. We do get excited when these young players do come through. I just see so much hype around him, and I like him, and he performed very well against Mohamed Salah. And I want to see him play against Manchester sitting in a community shield, and look at if Luke Shaw's not fit for full, and he plays well against Manchester City, probably even started against full, but in regards to 38 games for a Premier League season, I'm a little bit skeptical about Harry Amass. Let's say you put him as backup in. He's a backup left back, and Luke Shaw doesn't get fit. Luke Shaw has the season of his life. How many games does Harry Amass want to play? Three. Does he need three games this season? Or does he need more? I think he'd be better off playing 30 games in the reserves, and a couple of games out online, etc. The British are opinions on Harry Amass in the upcoming season. So I would love Harry Amass to play more than three games for United, but again, that's on the basis of hoping if Luke Shaw doesn't get injured. Given his consistency and injury record, that's more like an unlikely scenario. Well, even Luke Shaw's best season, he would have ended up missing more than five or six games. And with the unfortunate scenario surrounding Tyrell Malassia, I think Harry Amass should stay, to be honest, and because virtually he is the second choice left back. I mean, like, Malassia is out, and we don't know when he's going to be returning. Of course, I agree with your thinking. And that's why I went on picture in my football manager line up. I got the right back there, the center backs and the left backs over there. We say Harry Amass at the moment, he's back up left back. The name I'm going to throw to you, Diego Delo. Let's say we do sign a right back in this Miss Rowley. Do you have a Delo at left back? I believe he would be back up left back, in my opinion. Absolutely. And the worst part is like Miss Rowley can also play left back. That's my fault. So, yeah, so that automatically pips Harry Amass to number four or number three based on a cool place where. So that's a very, a very tricky thing. And somehow I feel like he will be loaned out, or I think it's too, he's too young. Yeah, to be honest, I agree, that's a Toby Collier. I've said, okay, loan him out. Harry Amass, I think maybe just another season of the under eight ends or reserves. And if he does get a go in the lead cup, of course, give him a go and he takes his chance. Fantastic. But I think it's his in regards to, I think I'm a shady excitement. We just need to calm down a little bit. He's 17. I'll just keep him in the eight ends and reserves. And obviously train with the first team on where possible and travel where possible. But I don't believe, and many people disagree and write to do so, that I don't see future for him in this current season in regards to breaking through like a copy manual or Alejandro Ganacho. Well, we sort of build those guys we'll go into. And the worst part is like it just takes one for a defender one bad game to write his career off at a big club. So it's, I don't want him to be thrusted onto the battlefield just because our soldiers are too very and injured enough to not strap their shoes. So I kind of get your sentiment around it. And I kind of agree as well, which he is a, I wouldn't want him to be loaned out because he's too young for that. And also at the same time, I don't want him to be thrusted into the battlefield and be the first choice or second choice, which I'm quite sure he would, if the talent is there, he will do a job. Age doesn't matter, right? Like we've seen 16 and 15-year-olds done, do much better things in the field than experience ones. So even if we sign, let's say, Maserawi, and let's say Tariel Malasya gets into the, into the squad like within the next three months, I think by then we should have been done with at least one round off Leakup fixture. So I would probably just use him for those kind of games and those kind of games and still give him another run in the youth squad try to prove himself because consistency is key. Toby Collier didn't have just one season before we, before he's breaking into the squad and in regards to, we won't know how we'll see this in the Champions League and we'll see it in the Europa League until we see it in action. We're not quite sure how the lead system in European football will work in regards to, if you win your first three games, in regards to the amount of teams that do go through to the knockout stage, you win your first three or four games and you still have four games left in Europe. Obviously you do want to finish high up as high as possible in regards to seeding in the next, in the next round of games, but maybe your automatically get your qualification already after three or four games. If you do win, so you could have four so-called dead rubbers in Europe, potentially we're not sure how that's going to play out and how that's going to feel around European football. That's an interesting one in regards to how we, we do view that this year because the Europa League is the same format as the Champions League in regards to that new system where there's two more games. Europa League and Champions they both play eight games in that initial league phase, so that'll be very interesting to see how that does unfold. But moving on before we just sort of finish with a bit of a community shield preview, at the time of recording, no heat transfer news. Now as the way we do this podcast, as soon as we click upload, I'm sure there'll be a free bits of marijuana here we go and sort of puts all this discussion a little bit pointless. But just in regards to the latest round transfers, there's nothing groundbreaking in regards to something's going to happen. Probably the closest thing that the ad goings, Scott will terminate Fulham, Aaron Wambesaka, it sounds like West Ham, and obviously the latest looks like Manchester United have a significant interest in Mazzarelli and Delitt, and is that a joint bit? Is it two separate bits who knows? But definitely something happening there, and obviously Agate is lurking somewhere in the background. So just your latest feelings on the transfers in terms of, is there an importance to you? Is it the ones coming in, or is it the ones going out? Is it a bit of both? Just your current feelings on where we sit two weeks out from the season, less than two weeks out. So I kind of personally like Wambesaka, so especially he does his defensive job perfectly well, right? Like that's what right backs are supposed to do, and he does it really well. To be honest, he kind of does his attacking job better than what a lot of us give him credit for. I don't think he's brilliant going forward, but I just think he looks so okay. He doesn't look like a good football, but he's quite effective. But I don't agree. He's strength is obviously defensively. Yeah, and absolutely. And he's a winger turned right back, right? He's not a right back forever. So I don't really get it like when people say, "Oh, he's not attacking enough" and all. So just go and look at the second goal in the FA Cup final, like the amount, the run he actually drags Kyle Walker out. That kind of shows what kind of attacking mindset he has, because he was brought in to perform a job at the defensive line for Ole when he was signed. That's the way we look at. And his strength was he was called the spider for nothing because of his tackles and everything. So that's where the mindset of us fans are like, "Oh, he's just a defensive right back. He's not an attacking one." But I don't really get that. Probably when you compare with Trent Alexander Alnold or Fring Pong or Denzel Dumfries, where they are not right backs, but they are like right windback and for lack of a better work, that kind of comparison is a bit, it's a bit that doesn't favor Van Visak over there. But again, I digress. Van Visak going out is not a big fan, but again, in case if you want to sign a right back or if you want to sign anyone, you need sales. So I understand that part. Same course with Scott McTominay. No matter how much heat I gave him in the past, he is one of those guys that I always cling on to. I never put him on the transfer market when I'm playing manager mode because for this generation, like for the current generation of young fans who are looking at United, he is that one midfielder before Kobe, who came through the ranks from United. So I'm always like a big fan of being a one-man club kind of a guy. So yeah, so it will be disappointing to see him head out of United. But again, probably he is one of the few other talents who would give us a good transfer value in terms of PSR and whatnot. I think it's interesting regards to you mentioned Scott McTominay there. And look, everyone who listens to this podcast definitely knows my feelings and my bias towards Scott McTominay. But what I would say, when I discuss with people who don't like him and have a lot of anger towards Scott McTominay, what I do say to them, and it sometimes stumps them a little bit, I say, okay, you don't like Scott McTominay. You want to say, okay, that's fantastic. Okay, I agree part, especially when you do wear out the finances and you look forward to sort of Manchester notes upcoming season and the future business you want to do. Okay, if you want to sell them, that's fine. However, if you've given the choice moving forward this season, who would you keep Scott McTominay or Kazumira and if you look probably Scott McTominay and I just say, well, hang on, you've been shooting on him and I understand that the frustration and the towards him, but if you would actually get rid of making a smart decision, the one you would be letting go just in regards to the current situation and what you want your squad to look like, what you want your dressing room to look like, what you want your wage bill to look like, the correct answer would be to let Kazumira go. Now, that's certainly very impossible in regards to the wages and the transfer fee Manchester United would require and Scott McTominay is one of the easier options to sell in regards to business out the door. So I always find that it's an interesting one because here I am, I prefer to Scott McTominay more than anyone in the Manchester United fan base probably, but I am fully aware of the situation that we do face and he faces at the moment and could be best for all parties. Definitely Manchester note in regards to moving forward, I do believe it significantly weakens our squad, but you kind of do need to weaken the squad a little bit to move forward here. It's one of those ones that one step back to take two steps forward and I think in regards to we do need to sort of raise some funds, we do need to evolve, the midfield would do need to sort of paint a new light and a new direction and that was one, obviously, Scott McTominay will be the first to pave the way. I do think others should potentially lead first, whether that be Kazumira or Christian Erickson. That doesn't look like it's going to happen, but it is interesting regards to the feeling around him, the Kazumira, and I like Kazumira in regards to business-wise. It goes back to the day we signed Kazumira, we all celebrated it, we all loved it, but we all knew at the time, hang on, while we behind this guy, this man of wages for this amount of money, we're going to have ourselves in a real hole in two years' time. Here we are two years later with a big Kazumira-sized hole in midfield. Yeah, and also there is a slight of a recency bias that's going around, of course, Kazumira didn't have one of his greatest season ever, and of course, probably it might be his first worst season in his playing career. Scott comparatively had a very good season, especially with the nationals or whether it's with the club football coming up with the goals and coming up with clutch moments to lead the team to safety or to lead the team to three points. There's a bit of recency bias, of course, in there, but when you look at who actually does their job much pretty well, just look at the pre-season, right? Who was more effective? So that will give you a bit of an answer. It's indeed a bit shocking, all of us in the chat, we all called it like, "Okay, great, we are signing him, but why are we signing him with a five-year contract?" And also at this stage and also at this particular time frame, and also vice-real Madrid discarding him. And he was the youngest of the three midfielders that were going towards the retirement stage of Kazumira-Cruise and Modrich. So yeah, a lot of questions, a lot of, for some, we have already received the answers when, of course, some we didn't. But yeah, so that's where I am inclined towards the outgoings. And regarding the incoming, I'll probably talk about it when it all becomes official, always was always a fan of getting some reinforcements. And if the manager feels they are the right players to be signed, we'll just back the manager and see how we do in the season. Yeah, great. And saying all that, in an ideal world, I want Kazumira on the squad. I think Kazumira offers a great deal to this squad in regards to if he's playing well. And what he does bring off the field, I am happy with Kazumira-Estain, just in regards to giving the choice between this business or that business. I do think there is benefits in keeping with Tomine over Kazumira, but we'll touch on Tomine when that deal does look like he gets that and has officially due to form. I think Manchester's not probably wanted to lay that as long as possible, just in regards to you don't obviously don't want him playing an inch on the first day of the season. Now, people will think, I just get it done. If you're selling him, that means he's not good enough. Football people just think differently in regards to tempting the football gods, et cetera. They won't want Scotland to dominate playing against Manchester United in a week's times. I do think that will be very likely done, but I do think that is going to be delayed a little bit, obviously, the still best part of a month left in the transfer window. But before Fulham, there is the Community Shield, which we'll just quickly touch on before we finish now. Probably the easiest match going into the start-up season for any football fan in regards to if you win it. Fantastic start-up season, great with the trophy. If you lose it, well, it's not really a trophy, it's just a pre-season friendly. Your excuse is pretty written and very easily accessible to use if you're in a debate with a Manchester City fan. Look, Manchester City fans to be fair. They probably want to lose it every time they lose it. They go and win the Premier League. I think they've lost the last three community shields or something like that. And then they go, obviously, going to do great things throughout the season. So, it is something you do want to win. If you do lose it, you're going to say, it doesn't mean much, well, where do you sit in regards to it? Do you want momentum going into Fulham? Do you want to see a performance? Do you want to see, let's say, so-called a trophy? Do you show thoughts going into this week? See, again, it's always a good thing for your club playing at Wembley, and it would, as you say, winning it will give some momentum. But also, if we don't win it, is it already going to put some thoughts into the management or into the staff or even into the playing 11 that, hey, are we even going to have a good season or not? Really, if we aren't to win it, it would be how we lose. If you lose it in a good football match, but if what an Manchester City can do to anyone, to be fair, but obviously, have shown that can do to the United, if it's a smash in or a hammering, that is not the way to deal with the community shield. That's true. And also, we haven't won the community shield since Mourinho won it for us, if I remember it, right? They'll be the last time we'll remember. Yeah, I remember him counting community shield as a trophy, and I was, he was mentioning, oh, we won three trophies this season. So, yeah, so I would want us to win it. And also, United had won the community shield for the maximum number of times, which is 21. So, you know, 21 is probably 21 is coming. Who knows? No, but he attempted me. But just here we go. He's number 21. Oh, it's still Anthony, I think. He's still number 21. We haven't touched on Anthony yet. I remember when Ron Benfors came in with the 20s shirt, then Dan James came in with 21. We have to address that number 21 shirt. But the Euro player is coming back. You bring up Fernandez, Diaga, Deloane, you signed in Joshua Zirksi, could be Manchester's striker. We haven't touched on that. Do you expect any of those players to start? Do you expect any of those players to be on the bench? Do you want to see the way? How do you think we're going to sort of line up in regards to strength, or will it be pretty much a team playing against Liverpool? Sancho at false nine. So, probably that's the way it will be going. But I'm quite sure Bruno being Bruno and playing for a trophy, I'm quite sure he will be using all his parts to get into the playing 11. If you were the manager, would you start Bruno or have him on the bench? If I was the manager, I would bench him, but I'm quite sure Bruno would be good enough to play me around it and start the game. So, you know how it goes. Sancho as false nine. I see Zirksi coming off from the bench just to give the fans a look in on how he is actually because I wouldn't be putting him in the starting 11 as his first performance for United against Fulham. So, that's where I'll be looking at. Yeah, the difference is kind of a question. So, it all depends if you're going to, even if he's signed someone, I don't think so. We are going to come up with the new signings in the defense. I don't see Mayno starting, but I might be wrong. I haven't even seen him training yet. I haven't seen him. Last time I've seen he's still in LA. It's the same with the center of Martin and Zirksi, Delo Bruno back, but the center of Martin is and Coby Mayno, fingers crossed they take their their both foot fit, but time will tell what the latest is with them. Before we do wrap up then, quick let's score prediction or are we going to win or not? To one United? I will take that. I'll feel on penalties. I think it'll be a draw and a penalty shoot out. I don't know who's going to win the penalty shoot out, but we'll have plenty of practice this season on the American tour. But, pleasure having a chat with you today on the latest of Manchester United. Make sure you do join us next week in regards to, we'll review the community shield, etc. So, do stay tuned for that one. I'll quickly revisit this night, this week's trivia in regards. I did ask the question at the start of the episode. Who was the player who scored for Raul Madrid in the Champions League in 2004, but also scored for United in Champions League in 2009? I have no clue. I'm sure you're right. I'm quiet. Oh, geez. Because it is the one. It definitely stung me that one in regards to Michael Olinios. He's got that hat trick against Wolfsburg in the Champions League in 2009. We all do forget he did play for Raul Madrid, but hopefully I've enjoyed that podcast. Enjoy your week, enjoy your weekend, and we'll chat you soon. Peace.