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EP 313 | Tom Dongo | Sedona Underground - Joint ET/Military Installations - Portals & more

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Tom Dongo:
Tom Dongo is a long time resident of Sedona, Arizona. He is recognized as a world authority, and one of United States of America's leading authorities, on UFOs, paranormal occurrences and remote viewer and over the course of many years been a key lecturer at numerous U.S national, and international, conferences including the International UFO Congress.
He studied at the Berkeley International Pyschic Institute in Santa Cruz, California, and has spent the last thrity (30) years in the greater Sedona, Arizona area, which is known as one of the premier UFO hot-spots of the world.
Mr. Dongo is a writer of mainstream magazine articles and the author of eight (8) books on the paranormal including ~ The Mysteries of Sedona: The New Age Frontier, The Alien Tide (Mysteries of Sedona, Book 2), The Quest, The Quest: Twenty-Six Who have Answered the Call to Sedona Peak of Their Spiritual Quests & Experiences, The Quest: In Pursuit of the Ultimate Mastery, Merging Dimensions Vol.1: The Opening Portals of Sedona, Everything You Wanted to Know about Sedona in a Nutshell, Unseen Beings, Unseen World.
WEBSITE:https://tomdongo.com

Duration:: 1h 22m
Broadcast on:: 06 Aug 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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So I would like to just kind of hit the ground running and get into the meat of everything today. But if you would like to briefly introduce yourself to our audience who doesn't know who you are, we'll give you that opportunity now, but welcome to the show. - Yeah, okay. Well, you guys on my 93rd worldwide radio show, I've been at this for about 50 years now. And I've talked to around 90 million people I figure out as I was on coast to coast three times. Well, there's 30 million right there. So, but anyway, I've been the last 40 years I've lived in this area. This whole area around Sedona and the Verdi Valley is one of the world hotspots for the paranormal. It's constantly going on here one way or another. It's phenomenal. And right now we're dealing with some strange underground base phenomenon. And I'm pushing 80. I'm gonna be 80 pretty soon. But there are four or five serious researchers here that kind of fill me in on what they find. And it's pretty, it's pretty phenomenal. It really is, and I was just interviewed by Ross Kulfard, he's in Australia. He's a professional interviewer. And those guys are tough. Those guys are hard. It was a brutal interview. He had the whole camera crew in there. But he asked the questions. He was basically here researching these bases and they're partly military, US military, and partly alien, extraterrestrial. And my main focus since I was about 16 years old is Bigfoot and later on extraterrestrial humans. And I've run into three. I had an extraterrestrial girl materialized right in front of me. I mean, I had to jump back. She materialized so close. So on these shows I've been on, I've talked about just about everything and I can pretty well focused on all kinds of things. So I'm used to some really, really interesting questions. - Well, I got plenty for you. And I guess let's start with the Sedona Underground because that's one of the things that came up in the shiny and the light book. I believe specifically a base under the enchantment resort. And there's been a lot of testimony of like convoys of trucks and vehicles going in and not coming back out and driving into the mountain. And that's just one location. I think there's, like you said, a number of underground bases there. And I know William Cooper talked about the joint ET government bases under the Four Corners area and each of those states. So we know that there is corroborating testimony that they're in fact there, but what do you know about them? - Well, incidentally, Bill Cooper was one of my best friends early on. So I know a lot about Bill Cooper and Bill Clinton called him America's enemy number one. And the reason for that was because he was telling the truth. He was the enemy and he got killed because of that. But enchantment, yeah, there's something strange in that area and nobody, the interesting thing is people ask me, well, what is it? I don't know, but under enchantment. I've been there when, and this recently happened again about two weeks ago, it sounds like a locomotive running underground. It sounds just like a diesel locomotive underground. It's exactly what it sounds like. And I was told by one of the employees that works there at Jamba, that's a real serious researcher and this stuff, he said, we heard that about two weeks ago, three weeks ago, now. So anyway, there's something strange going on around here and it has something to do with bases. And we know now that the US government is directly involved in this stuff. But we, you know, I used to be known as pretty reckless when I was young. I'd go after him, I'm there turf. I can't do that anymore, I'm too old, but the other guys do, you know. So we know that, and this stuff, it's 15 miles from here, it's pretty serious stuff. They've seen some pretty serious stuff. A lot of black helicopters and very strange lights, blue-green lights shooting out of the ground. And the other, this is around black mountain, but on the other side of black mountain, there's sick and low canyon. And some of the strangest paranormal stuff that's happened on this planet has happened in sick and low canyon. For a long time, I would advise people not to go in there alone, because there are people who've gone in there and have never been seen again. So, you know, a lot of them do it anyway, you know. They go camping in there or whatever, but then a lot of bigfoot, recent bigfoot activity in sick and low canyon and U.S. military and some kind of, some kind of well, probably extraterrestrial. They, the fact, a guy, this wasn't too long ago, he was on a motorbike back there and he got stopped by six guys with M16s and they told him he was trespassing on restricted government area and they heard him pretty bad. They pushed him to the ground, shoved the muscles of the guns in his face and slapped him around a little bit. And this, you know, this sort of thing happens around here. So what, what, you know, what's the cause of it? What's the nature of it? I don't, I don't know, but there have been probably in the last 40 years, I, I call them machine gun incidences and it's been happening, there's seven canyons here and it's happened on all the canyons and the, the, what happens is, and it started in secret canyon and nobody, I talked to people that were here in the 40s and they don't know who, who named secret canyon. It's a mystery, but it is a very, very strange place. So it, it seems to be, it was in any rate that they, getting back to what I was talking about, the machine gun incidences that happened and all the canyons and out in the flats. Are they, what happens is, I interviewed one guy, usually I have to depend on second or third person in interviews, you know, what other people, but I have interviewed a few people, first person, face to face. One guy named Light, he was in, he was in secret canyon and he ran into six guys that were, they have American uniforms on, U.S. military, I've checked, I have friends that are kernels or retired kernels and I, I would ask them and they were all current U.S. uniform, U.S. military, but they don't have any insignia on them. And so anyway, this guy named Light, he was in secret canyon and it's all, it's all national forest back there. It's the coconut, you know, national forest. So he ran into these guys that were different colored, different types of military, U.S. military uniforms on. They all had rich machine guns, M16s or whatever. So he, they stopped him and they, they said, there's some restricted military activity going on behind you and I found out just recently that is a restricted military area and it's where one shouldn't be. So that means there's something there, but what is it? I don't know, nobody else does either. But at any rate, Light said, no, no, this is a public path and I'm going to, that's the way I'm going that way. So the guy stuck the M16 in his face. I said, you take one step and I'll pull a trigger. That's how serious it gets. And it's been gone on. The last one I know of fish in prison was Apache Indian boy. I had dinner with him and he said he was on secret mountain and it's not really a mountain, it's a Mesa. But he, he ran into a five or six guys that had masks on and they were all carrying, you know, automatic rifles and they said, they cut, they cut him a little tree and say, you take this tree, you drag your trail, you go back and the way you came in and drag your trail so you don't leave any tracks. And he said, these guys were not human. They were just like the guy that on the motorbike, they got knocked to the ground. He said, those guys weren't human. And the guy on the motorbike said they were, they were driving a Humvee back there or I've been back, I've hiked back there when I was younger. You can't drive a Humvee anywhere back there. So he said they gave him the Humvee and drove it, the ground opened up. And that sort of thing has happened around here a number of times. The ground opened up and the Humvee drove into the cliff. And then closed up again. I've interviewed a number of people who said that's happening. - Yeah, yeah, so that's amazing because I guess the most interesting part to me would be that they're saying that these aren't human. There would be some sort of human hybrid or men in black type. Is that what you're getting at? - Well, they don't look or act human. They try to imitate humans, but it doesn't work too good. And there have been people that have disappeared and have never been seen again, not a lot, but it has happened here. I'd say four in the last 50 years have gone into the canyons and never come out. And there was a forest ranger. In fact, the guy was writing a book about it and I forgot his name now. But anyway, young forest ranger, he was 22 years old. Ranger, he was 22 years old. He walked in the secret canyon and he was a survivalist. And he walked in the secret canyon and he's never been seen since. They never found a trace of him. So he saw something that he wasn't supposed to see and they didn't let him go. And they've never found, they helicopter the dogs, you name it, and they never found a trace of this guy. And he was a survivalist in many wilderness areas, but he was, he disappeared. And the guy writing a book about him, I'm sorry, I can't remember the forest ranger's name, but it's, it's, it happened. - So it seems to me that a lot of this stuff would be happening, is still happening as of fairly recently? - Well, it's kind of repetitionist, you know, it's never the same around here. I've been studying this, well, I've been here 40 years now. I lived in Sedona of 33, and I'm in cottonwood now, which is 20 miles south. So I'm in touch with, I'm in the middle of a network. I hear everything. And that the, one thing, the Bigfoot activity lately, there's a number of Bigfoots, Bigfoot around here. And Dogman, if you guys aren't familiar with Dogman, I researched Dogman for a year and it's scary as hell, but they're real. And even the two women, I interview both these women. I know them well. And one, a Dogman peeked in her bedroom window at night. And Dogman have you the orange or red glowing eyes. They say Bigfoot eyes glow, but they don't. It's Dogman, if you see a hairy creature tonight with glowing eyes, it's a Dogman. So anyway, and then I had a friend summer. So two o'clock in the afternoon, a Dogman ran in front of her car. And she got a good look at it. She knows me real well, so she knows what a Dogman is. And she said, "Oh, absolutely, you're with a Dogman." And then come to think of it about a month ago, a woman in Oak Creek, Oak Creek Canyon, said that I thought it was a Bigfoot. She called it a Bigfoot. But it was a tall, hairy man like creature, and it ran away in seconds on four legs. Big feet don't run on four feet, four legs, but Dogman do. I mean, they cannot run anything, a Dogman. Anything in the words that a Dogman can outrun it, because people have seen him do it. Run a deer down in seconds, that's pretty fast. - Now, so this, do you believe that these Dogman are government genetic experimental cryptids? Do you think they're coming through portals, or where do you think they're coming from? - I wish I knew it, but the, I spent a year. I've studied just about everything weird, paranormal. Well, I spent about a year studying Dogman first-person faces on, there's a couple of shows on the radio, they're very good. They interviewed people that have really had Dogman experiences, but they're, they're, you know, they're, I forgot what I was gonna say, but they're absolutely real Dogman. And they, oh, they, they, you know, I've camped all over North America, including Alaska with my girlfriend, the Yukon. And if I had to, if I had to know about Dogman 50 years ago, 50 or 60 years ago, it probably would have changed my whole itinerary. And I'm glad it didn't, I didn't know that, you know, Dogman are just about everywhere. And I've, the study that I've learned is that Dogman and Bigfoot don't get along. They won't, they avoid each other's territory. - That seems to make sense. - And, yeah, yeah, and Bigfoot have got the advantage because they're bigger and stronger than a Dogman. But a Dogman is, it's like it's got a, it's got a face like a dog. They're black, usually black, hairy, long legs. If they, one woman I interviewed said that this thing stood up and it was 14 feet tall. And I go, wow, I mean, that's, that's, that's incredible. - Right. - It was honestly, it was on four legs and it stood up. And it, it's out, limbs were cracking when it stood up. And she said it was at least 14 feet tall. And this was in Oregon. - Wow. - So yeah, a lot of weird stuff going on. - So my question before that where I think you forgot what you were saying was do you believe that they're coming through portals? Like are they, they're in a dimensional? - Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've done, I don't do stage talks anymore, but I have to tell people, you know, my mind wanders. And so I said, somebody in the audience telling me to say, "Hey Tom, you were talking about remote viewing." Oh, okay. So I, you know, so people would have to remind me you'll take time. My mind's been wandering for a long time. But you know, nobody knows what Dogman come from, but they're, they're, they're, I've asked Indians. So somebody's, you know, somebody says, "Well, have you talked to the Indians?" And so I did, my, my best friends was, Cliff Mahoudy was a Zuni Elder. - Yeah. - And Cliff, I, I miss him every day. He was my best, best friend. - Yeah, we'd love him to tell it. - Here we go. - Yeah. - We had him on the road. - Oh, he did, yeah? - Four years, over four years ago. - Yeah, yeah. - We were friends with him. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, he's great. - Yeah, he is a very special man, very special. So I asked him, I said, "Cliff, what do you got?" Because Cliff has worked for the government. He was in charge of 261 tribes in the, in the country. They always thought he was a government man 'cause he worked for the government, but he really was, he was trying to help the tribes. But he said, you know, nobody knows about Dogman. We all we know is there's something paranormal. - You slept through your alarm, missed the train, and your breakfast sandwich, cold. Sounds like you could use some luck. - I'm Victoria Cash, and Luckyland is where people go every day to get lucky. 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And so, and I know the Skinwalker guys, and I know Brandon, a few go personally. And so I know what, the big difference with me, the Bradshaw ranch and the Skinwalker ranch, as the Skinwalker ranch is pretty malevolent. You know, the Bradshaw ranch wasn't. It was nothing bad ever happened on the Bradshaw. I mean, I was there four and a half years, and I wrote this book with, which is my bestseller. This is my bread and butter. So everybody go out and buy emerging dimensions. This is all about the Bradshaw ranch, all about the Bradshaw ranch, the whole thing. So, you know, I've compared the Bradshaw ranch with the Skinwalker ranch often. And I was one of the first people I got involved with the Skinwalker ranch when George Knapp was up there and, you know, hot bean. That'd be really good. Anyway, so this is a strange world we're living, you know? I've been called one of the world's best remote viewers. And I work with some of the best in the world. And, you know, there's something strange going on on this planet that nobody understands. I've said it many times on radio that there's something strange that there's, even the best psychics and the best remote viewers don't know what it is. But I kind of sense it a little bit. You know, I've talked about this with a friend of mine. He's a retired army colonel. And he agrees with me that there's just something that's, well, I was on coast to coast a couple of months ago. And I talked about this and Connie said, "No." (chuckles) I said, "No, Connie, I'm gonna talk about this." When I was a remote viewing, one time, I, oh, yeah, the missing 411, David Politi's. I've been involved in that for quite a while. You know, there's thousands of people that disappear in the national parks worldwide. Disappear, poof, gone. And so I've never been able to track one. But David Politi's name people, especially at this deer hunter, and said exactly where he disappeared on the map and all that. So I was able to remove you, coordinate it and follow him. You find that there's an energy trail. You know, you can, why is that? I spent a lot of time at the Berkeley Psychic Institute and they taught me how to do this. So anyway, I'm going, I'm tracking this guy, trailing him. And a couple of times I've been asked an interview, is did you go up or did you go down? I said, that's a very good question. I went straight up, very fast. So in this one case, I was going very fast and somebody, something slammed on my brakes and stopped. And I, there's a, a remote viewers, early on, remote viewers couldn't, there was a wall that would be put in foam and they couldn't get through it. But I early on learned how. I was at a general stubble bind meeting one time, the best remote viewers in the world were there and nobody knew how to get through this wall. I want to raise my hand, you know, I do, I do, I know how. So anyway, there was a wall there and I'm looking at it and the voice said, this is as far as you go. And I'm looking at the wall and the voice said, don't even try it. So, you know, like I said on coast to coast, I said, you know, what was behind that wall? That they, whoever they are, don't want us to see. And, you know, I wasn't about to, I wasn't about to test, you know, don't even try it. What, you know, you know, we're poor mortals, we're a physical body, these things without a body. And there's lots of them out there, you know, what they can do to us, you know? So, so at any rate, I didn't, I've said that, there's something out there that nobody knows. It's there, something doesn't allow us to see you. And so yeah, so that's, let me do the duty. - Yeah, okay. So whenever you said you know how to get past the wall, but you didn't go past that wall in that particular instance, but you do know how to get around it? - Yeah, yeah. - So what have you discovered in the walls that you have gone past? - Actually, the times that I've gone up through it, nothing, it was just a continuation of the trail, and I'd go a little ways and then, because, you know, everybody, remote viewers, somebody does something to you, like a psychic or a remote viewer or whatever, they leave a trail. And if you taught how to find that trail and follow it, like I was at the Berkeley Psychic Institute, you can find them. I was recently, when I first started, I was born with a remote viewing ability, and I was at the Sedona Airport one time, and I felt something really funny, so I stopped and I looked around, I could see an energy. And it was, so I followed it. It doesn't, you can do it in seconds. You can even do it driving a car. It's not something you'd have to meditate seriously or whatever. But anyway, I found two people, I came down, two people as a man or woman, they were all dressed in black. Yeah, I think they were in Hungary or that, and they turned and looked up at me. They could tell that I was there and smiled, big smile, and they knew the jig was out. They were trying to, you know, and the government's done this to me too. When CyTech was, CyTech was a government offshoot of the best of Ingot Smalls and Russell Tarik's crew, CyTech. So I got a letter one time and I saved it. I kept it, that we've been remote viewing you, and I think, oh, why, excuse me. Why is the government, you know, this is about 25 years ago, remote viewing, and I'm known schmuck like me. I have had one book out of matters, and I was well known for the Brad Charan. So the whole team was, and my friend, we're good friends now, very good friends. He sent me the letter, he was a lieutenant colonel at the time, and I said, hey, Ron, what's the deal with you guys, you know, remote viewing me from CyTech with CyTech? And he said, we weren't. He said, what are you talking about? We never did that. And I said, Ron, I've got your letter right here, you signed it. And he said, I don't know anything about it. So anyway, that's the kind of stuff I get involved with. - Wow, so you mentioned in a previous interview, actually, Aaron, did you have any questions before we keep going? - No, no, keep going. - So you mentioned in a previous interview, you were at, I don't know, some conference or somewhere, and you heard a military remote viewer talk about getting caged, getting trapped on a UFO. - Oh, yeah. - And hearing that story made you realize that you weren't crazy because you talked about remote viewing craft and ETs, and you even went as far as saying that there's hundreds of UFOs encompassing circling the earth and some of them are just on trade routes and things of that nature. 'Cause so could you elaborate on that? - Yeah, I was, many times I thought I was going crazy. I would tell myself, I've got to be insane. This is not normal, this is nuts. But, oh, McMonigal, he forgot his first name now, but I was at a long time ago, I was at a UFO conference and we were six of us in a circle and he was standing right beside me. And I had been going out in space and visiting alien spacecraft. And he, anyway, he was, I think, I'm not crazy. I'm really not crazy, but the whole government remote viewing team was doing that. And it's actually easy if you're a remote viewer. And so anyway, McMonigal was, they were doing it. And if you go, my experience has been, if you go close to thousands of, well, thousands of alien spacecraft out there in orbit around here, some are a million miles out. But anyway, if you go up to an alien craft, an alien craft, and you go closer to it, and you feel threatened, you need to get away fast. But if you feel there's no threat, you feel welcomed or whatever, you can go on it. You go right through the wall and they look up and they all know the damn human, that sort of thing. And so, Joe McMonigal, and that's so Joe. I get a kick out of this, somebody could be such a stupid mistake that Joe McMonigal did. But anyway, he was, they threatened him not to go on the ship, evidently. And he did. So they put him in like a glass cage and they wouldn't let him out. You know, he did two tours in Vietnam. We shot up real bad. Yeah, and he said, I think he, if I remember right, he said, that scared him even more than being in Vietnam. So anyway, they wouldn't let him go. He had him trapped in this box out in space and his psyche was out there and his body was down here. So finally they let him go. But he said, it really scared the hell out of him. So I said, you know, I think, what a dummy. I even, I knew, amateur like me, that you don't, you get worn, you get threatened, you don't go close because they can do things to you. Like they did to Joe and they could have done a lot more. Right. But yeah, yeah. So anyway, that's the kind of stuff like, yeah. Do you, we're gonna say something there? No, I was just saying that's, that's, that's pretty crazy. Right. Trapped by an ET race on it. Well, I know, I know, I know what I wanted to say to you guys. You know, the journey to truth, my whole life, the reason I do this stuff is, and I've said this many times, I just, I want to know what the hell's going on. Without any BS, you know. And there's so much BS. It's really hard to sort it out. There's so many people with bad, you know, imaginations, you know, and it's, it's hard to, it's hard to, you know, wade yourself through it. Because there's so many people that have created a fantasy and then they, they make it real, they believe it. Like O.J. Simpson, oh, he didn't do it. You know, he goes, but he did. All the people who were at that court said, O.J. Simpson definitely killed those two people. But he convinced himself, he didn't do it. Well, that's the kind of thing I run into a lot. They'll create a reality. It's impossible, but they believe it. Right. Yeah. And it's important as a researcher to understand things like that because, and we, that's, you know, we interview lots of people and we do encounter a lot of that. And, and we give the person a stage and we let them tell their story and let the audience decide we're not here telling people what's true and what's not. So it's just a great reminder. Yeah, to just take everything with a grain of salt. And yeah. In a lot of times it'll be not black and white where somebody will have on that will, will generally agree with their information or think their story and their information is real, but then they'll say a bunch of stuff that we're, we're like, nah, you know, also. So it's like, don't ever just, even if you like somebody and you generally think they're telling the truth and their story is real, they can be deceived as well or they can believe a lot of things that are not true as well and used to gotta use your discernant. And also there is also also the trend of like people get, people like to throw the baby out the bathwater a lot where they, one person will be a fraud and, you know, as a remote viewer or as a my lab person or as a UT contact or whatever, whatever it may be. And then they like, oh, see, I told you all that to be asked because of this one or two people that are frauds, which is also not the case. From what I found there's truth in every area, but it's a matter of like you said, there are a lot of people that are just making up fantasies and some of them actually believe them 100% just because they believe it themselves. I mean, it's actually true. 'Cause you can deceive yourself as well. So remote viewing though is a powerful tool to actually sift through that and find the truth for yourself. So. - Yeah, I agree. - So that's a great thing to teach people and to get out there. - Yeah, you know, you know, I've been on shows there have been a million listeners, you know, and I've tried to teach, you know, some of these guys charge three, four, five thousand dollars to teach remote viewing myself and Marine Saint Germain. We taught it for two years. We did pretty good. Marine would teach the military version and I, and she said I would, you know, I would teach the Tom Dongo version. It worked out pretty good. We had some people had some stunning realizations about, they learned it, they caught it, you know. And the worst thing is they don't, people don't believe they can do it, but everybody can do it if they really try and if they really want to. So anyway, I wish there were millions and millions, and I've tried, I've given it away free. There should be millions of remote viewers because it's for a good remote viewer, it's a possible lie to them. So it would, it would just about eliminate liars. And so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm all alone. I'm, I'm just, you know, my, I don't have, I had some friends around here that were good remote viewers. And, and my, like, my Lieutenant Colonel Friend, he was here for a while and with his wife, they've left, so they're not around anymore. And a couple of government remote viewers, they were here for a while and they've gone, but I don't have anybody to play with. So, you know, - We can connect you with some people. We know quite a few remote viewers just from doing the show over the years, but. - Yeah. - Yeah. - There's more and more, there's more and more popping in. - Dr. Courtney, Dr. Courtney Brown on the show last year. - Tony Rod Riggs is basically a remote viewer now. John Papanko, if you've heard of him on the show in the past. - Well, anyway, what I was getting at was, there's a lot of people, a lot of people that are teaching it now and offering courses and it's fairly inexpensive. So, I think we're starting to see a little bit more of what you were trying to accomplish. And, like you said, I don't think it's a bad thing. I think it's great, but I want to get back to the story a little bit. You were, you know, when you say there's thousands of craft orbiting the planet and then you've remote viewed them. - Now, what types of scenarios or situations are you seeing? Are you seeing like just races from all over the galaxy, galactic federation type of stuff, reptilian, secret space program type of stuff? I mean, or even our own military. You know, could you maybe fill us in on some of the things that you witness or remote view? - Well, you know, I've done a lot of research with extraterrestrial humans. My estimation, there about 17 races. And three or four of them are doing everything they can to help us. The rest of them don't give it to them. You know, they say, "If you want to blow yourself up, have at it." But there's, and then there's about 100 humanoids that there are this way more humanoids than there are humans. And these humans look so much like us. They're here now, they're among us. And I have a friend that's a psychic, a great psychic. And she said that I got a message that there's many humans that are here to help us because we're in a critical stage of development. They're trying to keep us from blowing ourselves up. But she said they're like phantoms, they're different, but they're human. And they're doing everything they can to help us. And I thought, "Well, that's pretty interesting. I never, I know there are beings out there that don't have physical bodies, but that's a new one on me." Like she says, "Yeah, they're like phantoms, but they're here." And they're trying to, you know, I've interviewed people that have interviewed extraterrestrials. And some of them say they can't interfere with us because it's not, they'll be punished. Well, it's like a non-interference star trek, non-interference thing. They can't interfere with our culture, but there are some, one in particular, one said that if you start a nuclear war, we'll stop it. And they said we can't stop at all, but we'll get 80 or 90% of it. - Hey, there's Ryan Seacrest here. Everybody needs some variety in life. That's what I love about Chumba Casino. They know how to keep things fresh and exciting. All their games are free to play. Like spin slots, bingo and solitaire. You can claim free daily login bonuses too. And they release new games every week. So spice things up with chumbakacino.com now for your chance to redeem some serious prizes. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group, void where prohibited by law. 18 plus terms and conditions apply. - At your job, do you ever have to deal with a nose roller? 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That affects other dimensions and other, all these other civilizations and races as well. So they're, it's them looking out for themselves. You could make the argument more than anything that preventing us from doing a nuclear war or anything like that. - Right. - Well, there's evidence that there's two nuclear wars in the past because there are places in Africa and Pakistan that are glass. - Yeah. - The only thing that causes is nuclear blasts. So there have probably been two nuclear wars and they said, we're not gonna let that happen again. We're not gonna let the Earth be destroyed again. So, hopefully, you know, there. - Right, right. I mean, in the betas they talk, they describe nuclear bombs going off, you know. - Yeah, and I mean, in the whole Southwest, if you look at it from an aerial view, it looks like a scar, a battle wound. And there's a lot of Chandler psychics, remote viewers even at this point that, you know, there was some sort of a nuclear war that happened there. There's a whole theory called Meltology. If you follow those groups online where they believe the whole Southwest was melted with nuclear direct energy weapons. And there's a lot of evidence of that. If you go to Chaco Canyon and even Sedona and you start really examining the landscape, it seems that there was some sort of destruction by advanced weaponry as opposed to a natural disaster, in my opinion. But, you know, we're just now discovering that type of stuff and there's only theories, but it's interesting to start looking at it through that lens. - Yeah, well, you know, there's probably been, I estimate it's sort of I think 20 to 25 civilizations here before us. I mean, they've found stuff that's, I think they found that the ball was 3 billion years old and it had to be created. So, and the guy, the Bosnian pyramid guy had a photograph of a skeleton that scared the hell out of me. I said, if those creatures, I mean, it was like the alien, the teeth and the thing going down was bad. It was the same thing, that it was a real skeleton. And so, I mean, if those things existed, you know, people think we're the first and only. Well, we're not. - No. - Plenty of evidence that there were many civilizations here before us. - Not that long shot, right. - Yeah, there is, I think I've seen a replica of the skull that skeleton you're talking about. Somebody had a conference one time, but going back to the remote viewing, what have you ever looked at Antarctica and discovered anything as far as the underground there? - No, funny you asked, the other people have, no, I haven't been asked that. I really, you know, some things, there are a lot of things that are blocked by remote viewers. You just can't penetrate it. And same with me, there are some things where I think we're just not supposed to see. And so, you know, what, yeah, I, you know, if, I saw a map yesterday of what, if all the ice was melted on Antarctica, what might be underneath there with all the cities and stuff that are, that may be there. So it would be really something to see and then under the miles of ice. And there are extra trestials there, you know, Linda Mone House talked about it and she really gets, you know, Linda, she proves, when she talks about something, she can prove it. She doesn't just talk about it. So, there are aliens on the Antarctica that are extremely dangerous to us. They're not our friends at all. You know, I have, Linda actually, my friends were not, you know, very close friends. But anyway, she went, she, I said, boy, that's, she actually went into that base. And I didn't, I got close to it. I said, this is something I don't wanna get even. This is it, this is close I'm gonna get. But it's a down that hole. It's about two miles of ice and they're at the bottom of that hole. And Linda actually went down and checked it out and she said they came after and they'll do that. I've had people say, you know, those things can come after you. And so I, that's true. So, but there are, you know, if we have the awareness of this, we as humans have great power. But we have to have the awareness of it. And if we're aware of it, we're protected. I mean, we're some spiritual thing that will protect us. But there's so many stupid people. I mean, really dumb people. That, I mean, I mean, incredible stupidity. I mean, somebody, some of the things that said to me, I go, you know, I'm going, I go, what did you say? How? No, no, no. So, you know, it's apparent now with all this political stuff that's going on. So some of the stupidity is almost beyond belief. Right. So anyway. Yeah, I agree with that. So when you say, Linda, Milton Howe went down that hole, I assume you're talking about remote viewing. So she did attempt to do remote viewing. Yes. Oh, she's a she's a better remote viewer than I am. I mean, we I was I was with her at a conference one time. And she did some stuff that I it was it was way beyond me. I mean, a guy there was a guy there was a testing secret who had remote viewing abilities. It held his bag up with a doll in it or something. I completely missed it. But Linda nailed it 100%. So she's she's really good. Really nice. Yeah, she was sitting right beside me. As long as I'm man, I thought I was pretty pretty hot remote viewer. But not compared to her. No, I'm not. Right. So your book you wrote a book called merging dimensions. And I'm assuming that would that comes from that information's all about the Bradshaw ranch and your experience there. When you say merging dimensions, what exactly do you mean by that? Do you just mean that at that merging point is some sort of a portal? Well, that's not Linda Bradshaw. That was her idea for Tyler. And I fully go along. No, it means that the Bradshaw ranch, that was there four and a half years, a couple, two or three times a week. And there's our dimension that other dimensions are merging. Because we experienced that on the Bradshaw ranch. There was a portal there. And there were things when it was opened. There were things, beings, and we could smell them. And Linda could sense them. She could see them quite a bit. I couldn't. I mean, I could smell the smells, like roses or burning tire and sulfur. It was pretty strong. And we were out in the middle of perfectly clean air. We could smell these things. And at times, it felt like we were in Times Square. They were in the middle of a shuffle of these beings that have come through that portal. I used to get attacked over this stuff constantly. And I never do anymore. Because people want to know that they want to-- I quit three times because they got so tired of the attacks, that the verbal attacks that I got from everywhere. But now people want to know they're curious about everything. And I can pretty much-- whatever I talk about, I can pretty much prove it what I'm talking about. Witness says, yeah. Go ahead. Well, I've been within 50 feet of an alien spacecraft. I've seen about everybody. And all these people say, oh, gee, I wish I could-- you see UFOs. I wish I could see one I've never seen on. I've seen about 300. I used to do tours in Sedona. We had a tour company, but my tours, my UFO tours were very popular. And one night, me and two women, I have two witnesses. A craft, an alien craft, was a quarter of a mile across. It materialized right in front of us. And what we did was, we said, we saw these things flying around, blinking on. And the funny thing is, they're always orange. And so I said, let's, in our minds, ask them to show up, to blink on for five seconds just so we could see you. So we did. We materialized for five seconds, and the thing did. It was a quarter of a mile across. And it was exactly five seconds, and it disappeared. And so I've done this before with other things, with other witnesses. I mean, I had six people one time. We were-- and I'm still in contact with Wade, one of the guys. And his whole family was there. And an alien-- back then, there was a UFO store in Sedona. And they did tours, too. And this craft flew past them. And it wanted to be seen. It wanted them to see it. And did anybody get pictures? No, you never have a camera. Did you get pictures? No, even if you've got one in your hand, you're so stunned by what you're looking at, you can't-- like, what's happened to me? I'm just-- yeah, you forget. So anyway-- Especially if it's a quick moment. Yeah, you don't have to tell that. No, yes, yes. So anyway, yeah. So whenever you saw-- sorry, I'm real quick. You said you saw three beings, I believe, at the beginning of this episode. You said you saw three entities manifest in front of you, or maybe at least one of them did. Can you explain that and who you saw and what race they were? Well, one was human. The girl was human. And the other two were-- you know about the tall whites? They don't like us. They don't like us. So anyway, the girl-- I had my girlfriend at the time. It was a long story. But at any rate, she was right there. She saw this happen. And I saw a girl-- we were hiking. We were way off on the boonies back then. And it had been heavy rain, and mud was just thick. And a girl came out of the bushes with dressed in a white wool sweater and red pants. No dog. And even around here, women always have a dog with them, even though there's almost no crime. So anyway, my girlfriend went over-- we were trying to find a trail down to some petroglyphs, sonawa petroglyphs. I couldn't find it, even though I'd been there a couple of times. The rain had changed everything. They talked, and I didn't hear what they were talking about. So I kind of motioned the girl. She came over, and she was basically talking so low that I had put my ear right up to her mouth. And I said, you wouldn't have-- she was dressed in city clothes. I mean, it was city shoes. And I said, you wouldn't happen to know what the trail is down the petroglyphs down there. Do you have any chance? And she went over about 10 feet from where I was standing, and it pointed down. And I went over there, and I said, how does she know? But she was right. So we went down. I mean, my girlfriend down-- I mean, it was steep. It was like super steep. And the girl didn't have hiking boats off. We had serious, lug hiking boats off. So we got down there, OK? So my girlfriend-- I can't remember her name a long time ago. But anyway, she was off, and the dry creek was roaring, like the Colorado River, you know, flood stage. And so I'm looking at her. Petrolino was her name. And so I turned around, and it stunned me. The girl was standing this close to me. She had-- I'm looking up. There's no way that girl could have walked down there, not in the city, street shoes. So she leaned forward, and I had to put my ear right up to her mouth. And she was whispering about the talking very low up about the petroglyphs and stuff that didn't make any sense. So before I could get a chance to ask her, you know, what human could do what she did? Ghost can't do it. I studied ghost for years. And what she did-- no human could do that. So-- and then the girl-- she was so close, I had to jump back a little bit. So I turned back to Petrolino, and then just for maybe five seconds, then I turned her back, and she was caught. The girl was-- I could see 100 yards in all directions, and the girl was gone. I just wish I had a touch to see if she had a material body. Wow. She was either maybe an ET or something else? Yeah, she was-- and then in the other time, I was-- believe it or not, I was in a safe way supermarket, 9 o'clock at night. And I was on one show one time. He said, you know, somebody was invisible. Somebody there-- I said, you know, I never thought of that. I was invisible if they were invisible, because the shop-- it was busy night that night. They were guards wheeling, buying all that. And I went over-- I saw them, and I went over it. And she was white skin, all black. She had black wraparound sunglasses on. And-- Had night. Yeah, at night. And all black, all black, everything was black, shoes. And he was about six foot five. And I was-- I want to call him a Nordic, but I don't know. He had one green eye and one blue eye, right? Like a Siberian husky. And so-- and I'm standing right beside her, and she doesn't look at me. I mean, I'm studying her, because I know she was a tall white. And tall whites, they're notoriously earth human haters. So I'm thinking, oh, this is pretty interesting. I know what she is. And she was tall. I'm six foot three. And she was as tall as I was. And so-- so anyway, the guy comes around the corner. He's about six foot five. Yeah, he's like, Brad Olson, that's what I'm trying to say. He was just taller than Brad Olson. Oh, Brad, we love you. No, Brad. He was giant. Yeah. Yeah. So I said, oh. So anyway, the guy-- he kind of smirks. He sees the girl, because she's like this. She's looking at the people walking by her with cards, and she's just like this. She's terrified. And I'm right beside her. So he comes over, it's kind of a smirk on his face. He takes her by the arm and leads her off. And they got a cart. Anyway, I don't know what he got it from, but-- so they're going down the aisle. And they're taking food. Everybody says, what did they buy? What did they buy? I want to say, white bread, cheap hamburger, and cheap pastries, but I'd be joking. But anyway, they would take stuff off the shelf and look at it. And you could tell they were saying, humans actually eat this stuff, you know? Right. Yeah, and they'd say that. That's that question all the time. [INAUDIBLE] And they would take stuff off the shelf and look at it. And you could tell what they were saying. Humans actually eat this stuff. And they put it back, and they didn't buy anything. And I had to go, so I left, and they were still in the store. So anyway, that's my three experiences with-- Yeah, that's really interesting. That's really interesting. And it doesn't surprise me that you would run into them. And it makes me wonder if some of the people I've encountered over the years were actually human. And there's a few that I'm thinking about that might not have been. I do remember an instance where you said that you encountered maybe a darker group of BTS, but they didn't do anything to you because they were impressed that you could see them? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Can you explain that story? Yeah, I went, yeah, that's interesting. I haven't thought of that in years, but yeah, I wrote that somewhere, didn't I? Yeah. I used to be reckless. I mean, I was known for being reckless. I had all these-- I have phenomenal psychic abilities. So I went looking for the worst of the worst. I want to know what they were like. And so I did. I found them. They were humanoids. And people-- people will all say, are they killing us, eating us, or, wow, I don't know, I want to find out. So I'm with it as a group of them. I found myself materialized in this group of-- they were humanoids, but they weren't human. And I could feel him thinking, should we kill him? And I'm thinking, no, that wouldn't be good. And so they were-- I kind of said, can I leave? Step into the world of power, loyalty, and luck. I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse. With family, canollies, and spins mean everything. Now, you want to get mixed up in the family business. Introducing the Godfather at ChampaCasino.com. Test your luck in the shadowy world of the Godfather slots. Someday, I will call upon you to do a service for me. Play the Godfather, now at ChampaCasino.com. Welcome to the family. 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One time I was at the Bradshaw Ranch, and I don't know why. But I psychically said something wrong. I found where an ATV had driven on the south side of the ranch down in a place where there's no where an ATV could go. And on the way down, I found a V in the hillside in a rock-hard dirt. But somebody, it's like something you would build around a tent for a water drain. And I'm looking at that, and I said, this is just strange. So I got to the bottom down. There was a sandy bottom. And there was that the ATV came with stuff. And these were two guys. And they both had size 11 shoes. And they were Adidas or something like that, because it was showed underneath. They both have the same side, same shoes. So and there was also this other track. And it was a human track, but size 12. And it was-- in fact, I got to know-- oh, gosh, my brain, a famous doctor. I got to go and argue with him. He eventually agreed with me. They got to do the surgery on the foot doctor. So I can't think of it by then. Yeah, he did the surgery on Whitley's Strieber's ear, pulled that thing out of his ear. Right, I know. I'm talking about it. Yeah, he was one of my-- he got to be one of my best friends. But anyway, I did a talk in Orange County. Right in the middle of my talk, he says, Tom, that's-- what you're talking about is anatomically impossible. So we got kind of a friendly argument. And I got warned before I went to Orange County. He said, those guys are going to be really tough. Brace yourself, and they were Orange County. I was at a talk in Hollywood the night before, and then went in Orange County. And so-- So when you went down on Bradshaw Ranch, when you saw the V that was diverting the water and the footprint and the side 11-- so what happened after that? So that there was a human tract. And it weighed-- it sunk this deep into hard soil. And I put my boot right next to it. And I just made an indentation on the surface. So that thing had to have weighed at least 1,000 pounds. Roger Lear. Roger Lear, I'll just guess it. Yeah, I just found it. So Roger said, Tom, that's an anatomic, either foot doctor, anatomically impossible. So I got-- well, you know, no, it's not because I saw it. I photographed it. And so anyway, and I had a gun-- the only time I ever brought a gun with it, I have an M1 carbine. It's almost like a machine gun. And I had it-- I took it with me that day, and I don't-- I really don't know why. But anyway, I followed the-- see, it didn't now-- did the creature with the-- that creature there first, were the guys there first, or did they meet? So I followed the tracks, the barefoot tracks going away. And this scared the chabbers out of me. I got-- I was following it up a hill. And it rained, I guess, early that day or whatever. And I got-- I was in thick bushes. And there was one track. It was still filling up with water. So I knew that thing was probably in the bushes 10 feet away from me. You know, and having a gun, if it had jumped me, it would have been all over. So I got out of there real fast. That's what I'm talking about going on there turf. And some of the research around here have found dog man tracks out there now in that area. So in what instance did they actually let you go because they were impressed that you found them? Well, just the one where I went from looking for the worst of the worst. And I never put myself in a position where I'd be attacked by him. I'm really good at that. I can tell I don't want to push it any harder or I'm going to get-- there's going to be something happen. So I like going on the ships with the aliens. Oh, yeah. You know, one time I was at speaking. And there was about 100 people in the room. I said, you guys want to learn how to go on alien spaceships? You know, visit them. And they're going, yeah, yeah, OK. So anyway, I said, it's easy. It's really easy. So I taught them how to-- you project yourself out in space and don't think it's your imagination because it probably isn't. So go out and find that their ships are all kind of different sizes and whatever. And then ask permission if you can go on the ship. And if you get an OK and it doesn't matter, do it. Check it out. So anyway, the whole audience did that. And I'll tell you that the expressions on some of those people's faces was they were stunned because they really did do it. But I wish they'd have gotten a picture of some of the faces of those people that were, you know, their eyes were about like this, you know. But I've always been really careful not to put myself in a dangerous situation. And you know, the new skin orchestra, they ran into it. They found the tunnels underneath the Bradshaw ranch. They used ground penetrating radar. And there is a tunnel, a huge tunnel on going under the Bradshaw ranch. And their probes got stuck and sent there that they sent out. So there's something really, really fishy going on around you. And I'm not going to push it. I mean, I'm not-- I've made a stage. I can't do it anyway. But there was something going on around here that's really-- you know, I-- oh, yeah. And I know when the Ross Courthard was here, I said, I'll tell you. But I know of where one of those faces is. And it's extremely dangerous. And I can prove it. And I told them, you guys, go ahead. I'll show you exactly. So they did. They spent quite a bit of time. And they said, well, we're going to research this. A friend of mine said, it took me up there. He's a counter-terrorism expert. And the second time they called him once, and the second time they called him, and this is a quote, you come back here again, and we will kill you. So I said, I ain't going anywhere near that. And so they looked at it on Google Earth. And you would never know. But I said, look at this. And look at this. Why does this add up? And they're going, no, it doesn't. Now I see what you mean. But the average person is right in plain sight. You're talking about underground base in Sedona? Yeah, yeah. And it's-- well, it's not in Sedona. It's about 10 miles away from Sedona. So he took me up there. He showed me all this stuff. He says, well, well, what's the big deal? And he said, well, take a look at that. And I go, oh, holy smokes. So then he got a call one day, and I never saw him again. So he got a call. He said, you come back again and we will kill you. And he said, it's an American base. It's a US base. But he said he thinks it's a railroad, which is possible. Because why are the railroads locomotive engine sounds on their enchantment resort? And I would estimate there are five-- I don't like to call a basis-- underground install installations. And two off-duty police, active duty police, got into one of those bases. And that's what they were doing. The research here, they were doing-- but it was 105 year he day. And at the time I was up there, it was 105 degrees doing. That's brutal. But they were using ground penetrating beta because metal detectors won't work. But anyway, these two off-duty police got into one of those bases. And they found an open manhole-- like a manhole cover of the ladder going down. So they went down there. And I know almost exactly where it is. And that's where they went. They spent some time up there with ground penetrating radar. And it's hard to get to. And I'm not in a shape to think like that anymore. But the two police-- I had a friend that was an ex-CIA agent. He's the one that was his territory. So him and a girl. And Claudia Sanderson. And so that was their territory. So he interviewed those two cops, ex-CIA. And he was ex-CIA. And they said, well, we got down there. And there were tunnels going everywhere. So they walked away. And suddenly, there was military swarming out of the tunnels towards them with machine guns. They all had US military uniforms on with no insignia. They said, well, you guys turn around, go back the way you came in and forget what you saw and don't ever talk about it. So in this time, that's happened. I'm not making that up. I don't think that you are. We fully understand that these bases exist. We've done our own deep dives and webinars on the deep underground military bases or installations. And they are very insignificant sometimes as far as on the surface, you may not know that there's anything there. And there's only several clues, right? And indicators that there will be something below. So one last thing. I want to shift gears just slightly, because part of the reason we're here today is we recently interviewed Zaisan, who is apparently a friend of yours. And he has an incredible testimony. And he was the one who finally got us in contact with you. And I know just from reading his books that you have removed, viewed his case and have deemed it to be credible. Can you explain what you saw when you did that? You know, Zaisan's credibility is-- he had the team now. They saved the lives of 3,200 slave girls in pedophiles. And I think he's been shot three times. I know he's been shot on the shoulder. But I don't question anything. Some of the things that Z-- I'm a little bit-- you know, I'm going, hm, well, I'm just-- I don't know about that. Well, I'll never question him, because his credibility is so indisputable. So Zaisan is a very, very, very interesting guy. And yes, I did. I actually contacted the captain of that ship that he visits all the time. And I got a conversation with him. He was like, I was trying to prove that Z was making the whole thing up, you know, it's fiction. And so-- I mean, that's the way I am, you know? And because I wanted to know, I said, you know, Zie, you've got to have some kind of proof for this. So there's nobody's going to believe it. It's just going to be fiction. So anyway, I did make contact with the captain, and I asked the captain all kinds of questions. And I said, Zie, does this sound like what you experience? And he said, yes. And I said, you know, there's a forest on that ship. He said, yes. Oh, yeah, he told me stuff. So anyway, I'm a complete believer in all that he talked about. Yeah, I proved it to myself. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I didn't realize you did that. But I agree, you know, when you read certain stuff, you know, your body-- I guess it's kind of like remote viewing. Like, no one can lie to you anymore, right? Because you can just sense it. So I feel that way about when I read material sometimes, I can just-- there's an energy signature behind it that I can't explain, but my body knows. And there's no way I can prove that. But in my personal feeling and opinion, is that he's being sincere and genuine about his experience. So-- On top of the fact that he's hardly done any shows, he's not putting himself out there. He's clearly not doing this for money or popularity or fame. Like, he-- there's none of that. I mean, he's just wrote a bunch of books because he wants to document the story and put it out for whoever's interested. But that's it. Like, the only reason we found him is because we're friends with Niara Isley, who-- who-- and we love Niara. She's amazing. And she was talking to-- she's like, you guys got to have Zay saying on your show, he's amazing. And that's how we found him. Otherwise, we had never heard of him or his story, you know? And he's not doing this for that reason, clearly. Yeah, well, you know, my opinion is integrity is indisputable. That's kind of where I'm at with it. So I just leave it. So it's-- you know, yeah, he's a good guy, a good guy. Yeah, absolutely. And thanks to him. We're here today doing this interview, which has been fantastic. And thank you for joining us. Would you like to let our audience know where they can find you, how they can get your books and all that? You know, I'm pretty much a reclusive now. I used to get 50 emails a day and that sort of thing. So I'm just a reclusive about hermit now. But my books are doing good. They're being reprinted. But yeah, this is the one urging dimension. Yeah, this is my-- [LAUGHS] But no, no, there isn't. I mean, Facebook, Facebook, you know, somebody really wants to get in touch with me. Facebook, my Facebook, well, I'll take my page. But otherwise, in that, I'm really not available. I'm not like some of these guys. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean-- I mean, I didn't mean personally available. I just meant how can people find, like, research you. I know you have your website, TomDango.com. I'm all over the internet. So just type my name in TomDango. All kinds of stuff will come up. Yeah, I've seen your name pop up all over the place for years, you know? But I didn't really check you out too much until just a few years ago. And then I was like, wow, you've done amazing work. You've been a long time. I had no idea. And I'm glad we finally really get you on the show. So thank you so much. Oh, yeah, you bet. My pleasure. Yeah, this has been absolutely great. And yeah, keep it up. I know you've been at this for quite some time. And you're ready to hang it up and just be a recluse. But every interview you do still helps. And people are still learning. And there's new people waking up every day. So none of it was a waste. And we appreciate all the hard work you've put in, because people like you paved the way for people like us. And we'll be forever grateful for that. So again, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys all for tuning in. We love you. Like we always say, we can't do this without you. Go check out our Patreon. Go check out our new website, JourneyToTruth.online. 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Good night. Namaste. It was further agreed that the alien nation in the United States would exchange 16 personnel each to the other with the purpose of learning each of the other. The alien guests would remain on Earth, and the human guests would travel to the alien point of origin for a specified period of time then return. Well, what shocked me was how they selected the astronauts. But they went out and found people within the military that were orphans and didn't have any family members and weren't married. Now, that's a difficult task, even in 1960. But this became quite a mainstay in early anthology of the 1990s, given that in addition to request anonymous telling this extraordinary story, there were several alleged DIA or defense intelligence agency officials who were also coming in and saying, yeah, we have knowledge of this case, too. And we can verify what request anonymous is talking about. 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