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EP 283 - Jerry Wills: Dropped Off By ET's - Found In Abandoned Farm House & Adopted By Army Officer

Originally aired on 12/25/23
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Jerry Wills:
In September 1953, while still an infant, Jerry Wills was found at an abandoned farm in rural Kentucky near Fort Knox under very unusual circumstances after authorities were notified. He was suffering from frostbite and was taken to a U.S. Army base, where he recovered and was adopted by an Army Officer and his infertile wife. Wills was raised as the couple’s son, along with their two adopted daughters. During his youth, Wills displayed unusual psychic abilities such as seeing inside people’s bodies, healing illnesses and injuries, telepathic communications, and even seeing into the future.
During his teens, Wills had contact experiences with human-looking extraterrestrials from the Tau Ceti star system. He eventually learned from the Tau Cetians and an unknown “old man” that he was brought to Earth as an infant by virtue of an agreement reached by President Eisenhower and visiting extraterrestrials. The Tau Cetians believed that historical efforts to directly help human evolution were flawed, and so it was decided to indirectly help humanity by dropping off extraterrestrial babies to be raised as ordinary humans, but whose intrinsic gifts would help humanity evolve.
Wills' incredible testimony is supported by a leaked 1989 Defense Intelligence Agency Document that describes the famed 1949 Aztec UFO crash incident where a human-looking extraterrestrial survived along with three infants. Diplomatic negotiations began with the Truman administration and high-level military officials such as General Eisenhower, and the infants were left behind as a gift for the US. With Eisenhower’s election in 1952, further agreements were reached, making possible the scenario described by Wills.
After graduating from High School, Wills trained as an electrical engineer at several companies by Ph.D. level scientists and invented advanced healing and technical devices for that time period. What was most unusual was that he was equipped with a full laboratory to build advanced devices valuable to his corporate employers but who gave no credit to him for his accomplishments. Wills subsequently left the corporate sector, traveled extensively searching for ancient cities, and worked as a psychic healer. His remarkable psychic healing abilities were recognized by a Fox News affiliate in Arizona that, over an eleven-year span, did two stories a year on the many individuals Wills had healed.
Jerry Wills website is https://jerrywillsshow.com/

Duration:: 1h 52m
Broadcast on:: 05 Aug 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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Yeah, thank you very much. I really feel it's a privilege to be here with you too. Yeah. Sam, thank you. Likewise. Likewise. So I know you didn't really learn about all of this until, you know, maybe later in your life about what actually happened and how you came to be here on this planet and what that looked like. So can you share that story with our audience, please? Well, you know, basically in the very beginnings of the story, I had memories for as long as I can remember being very young. And I don't know where these memories came from really, except maybe it was something that occurred. But essentially, I remembered, well, I remember going along, going to retreat tops, and just a baby. And the woman holding me was singing to me in some language that I didn't really understand. I don't understand now, at least, but maybe I did then. And the next memory is being in a building. It was cold. And they turned tonight. And then, you know, it was just worse and worse, colder and colder. And then these men coming to get me. And then the next thing I remember was being in a hospital somewhere. Then as I got older, it was really obvious to me once I was hanging around people, you know, that the things that I was experiencing had no relationship to them at all. You know, things like knowing the future or seeing energy around things, knowing things that there's really, it was impossible for me to know. In other words, picking up something or touching a picture and just getting all this movie real in my mind of what was involved with these items later in life. As a young teenager, my uncle, you know, was always a black sheep in every family, and it was my uncle Harry. You know, he would talk to me. No one else wanted to hear about it. I was always told just to be quiet and talk about it, so on. And he ended up asking, you know, who's going to win the Kentucky Derby? Who's going to win this fight match, that fight match, who's going to win this basketball? It was in Kentucky, so basketball's big there. And he apparently did quite well because he kept asking me, you know, for quite a while in my youth and ended up buying a nice house and having a nice car and all the accoutrements that the person would want. But it was in the mix of this when I was about 12 and a half years old. And as I said, I grew up back in Hills of Kentucky that I was out stacking a terrifically large pile of wood that had been split. It was really big. And I was told to get out there and do it. And by this time, my father had died when I was seven. I mean, there's a whole chapter that I left out there about that and everything. It went on with him that was pretty strange as well. But mother had remarried. And so he was a very nice cruel, actually. And so I was out there in the cold stacking this wood. Well, I was very sensitive to the cold. I didn't know later until later in life that I had been frost bit over most of my body. So cold actually caused a lot of pain. And as others stacking up this wood and it was, I don't know, late October, early November. When, you know, that periwinkle time of day was not much light, but it isn't dark. A large field in front of me, just, you know, flat grass that harvested it hadn't grown back yet. Then there's a stand of pine trees, probably 1500 feet from me. And over the top of this, these pine trees, because we lived on top of hill, this object came from my right and kind of came up into view and went right over the top of the pine trees. All the tops of the pine trees were just sort of moving back and forth like there was a wind affecting them, but there was no wind like that. There was a good breeze from my left, but no wind that would affect those trees like that. And this object was probably a few hundred feet long, you know, I really couldn't tell you, I'd have to guess and say maybe a couple hundred feet long. At arms length, it was about twice the thickness, about the thickness of two quarters in front. And just silvery, there was a moon that was out. And the moon was glinting off of this thing. There are these large round spots on it that were a pastel color, and they would go from left to right very, very slowly. And once they get to the right and they pulse back to the left again, pastel colors of green and yellow and white and kind of pink. And they were about 80% of the thickness of this thing, as far as how big they appeared on the side of it, it was quite large lights. So I thought, holy mackerel, that's a UFO. So I was just going to jump the fence, go run over there to it. And I got close to the fence and there was this voice in my head that said, no, don't come over here right now. We'll be back and talk to you later. I thought that was unique, so I decided I'd go back and just watch it. And as I did, it slowly moved off to the left and then it disappeared. Like I say, we're on a hill, so just follow the contour of the hill going down and went out of sight. So from that point forward, and I thought that was really a remarkable thing that I saw. From that point forward, it would be the next summer. After, well, I guess I turned 13 actually by the time. And that's when I met this man down in the woods. He said his name was Zo. And the reason why I was even down there, a friend of mine, his name was Randy. He and I were supposed to meet up way back in the Hollers. We're going to look for an old Civil War grave site. You know, 13 years old, that sort of thing sounds pretty awesome. So, you know, that's what we're going to do. And I went, you know, quite a ways back there. Finally, I got tired. I got to where I was pretty sure I was supposed to meet him. And I sat down from back against the tree and just rested, you know, in Kentucky. Where are you guys at? I think the rest of the Missouri area. So, yeah, just a bit north of where I was. See now it is in the summer. It's just hot, steamy. Yep. I basically had on some army combat boots and cutoffs in a sleeveless t-shirt. And just, it was just really hot. I was very sweaty, really tired, 10 or 13. And I heard crunching in the underbrush. So, I just thought, I'll just sit here and act like I'm asleep. And Randy would come up and say, "Hey, what are you doing?" Well, acted like I was asleep. And the next thing you know, the steps got closer to me and stopped. Nothing was said. So, I opened my eyes and looked up. And here's this guy standing there I'd never seen before. This guy was probably about six, six to somewhere. He was pretty tall. I wasn't that tall yet. And dressed in a one piece. Now we would call it like a spandex bodysuit. Yeah. And where the pants actually went right down into boots, I guess, for shoes. You know, close to his wrist, you know, to his hand. It was just all one piece. It didn't bunch. It moved very smoothly. There wasn't any wrinkles or anything. It was kind of a tan color. And when I saw him, I was a bit surprised. So, in my usual way, I just said, "Hey, how are you doing? What are you doing down here in the woods?" And he said, "Hello, Jerry. I'm here to see you." And he said, "Do you mind if I sit down?" And I said, "No, go right ahead." You know, that's okay. So, he sat down. We started talking. He told me about the thing that I had seen, that it was him and people of his, you know, his kind, I guess. And then the oddest thing happened, instead of being something where we were talking with words, it was just in my head. I could hear him in my head. And he could hear my answers. And the conversation picked up quite briskly after that. So, any about 30 minutes of time, he said, "Well, he had to go." But he'd see me again, if it was all right with me. But I thought, sure, it'd be fine. So, he got up. And I asked him, "How did you get here?" And he said, "Well, the thing that you saw, I have a smaller version of it, much smaller." And so, I wanted to see it. And he said, "No, you can't follow me. You have to stay here." But I will see you again soon. And he told me the dynamics, really, of how he would let me know when he wanted to meet up with me. And it was in my head, at that point, sounded like high-speed Morse code. And he said, "When you hear that, you'll know where to go. And you'll know that we're waiting to see you." Well, that's how that multi-year series of contacts went. During that time, there were visits, really, maybe once a week, once every couple of weeks, sometimes a couple of times a week. And during these visits, I would hear it, the noise, the sound. And it'd always be in the middle of the night. Well, where we lived, in the middle of nowhere, if you had to go to the bathroom, just get up, go outside, go to the outhouse. There's no indoor plumbing. So that was not an unusual thing to get up and go out of the house, and no one paid any attention to it. So I got up, and then I took off, and I knew where to go, and went back into a back field to turn right. There's another large field there, and then there was a place, and they always sort of landed right in there. And I'd meet up with Joe, and predominantly it was him, but occasionally there'd be one other person. I knew some more than three of them at once, at the same time. And during that period of time, they wanted to teach me things. They wanted to give me an education on their terms, and the education was delivered in the same method as the conversations where it was all telepathic. It's difficult for people to understand when you've never experienced it, but the amount of time I'm taking to tell you this story could have been done in just mere moments. You know, telepathically, because you don't just hear the words, you get the emotions, and you get the vision, you know, whatever the... It's a whole download. It's a whole download, right? Exactly. So I was shown things, and told things, and where it got to where I started questioning the authenticity of my birth here. That occurred when my stepdad was having an all-out battle with my mom. And I took off running, and of course I sent the message to Zoe. And because I was really freaked out, and this wasn't just yelling, this was slapping, punching, it was pretty ugly. I took off running, and I went way the hell back into the woods, went back to this far distant field. And by the time I got back there running, and that's pretty fast, he was already there. So he consoled me, and told me that it's unfortunate that this was going on, and if I wanted to come home, that I could. And I didn't really know what that meant. He had shown me these other worlds. You know, both telepathically, but also on the equipment inside the ship. And that's when he told me that you were adopted. You're not from here. We brought you here. And, you know, the situation probably isn't that good for you. And if you want to come home, then we can take you home. Well, that freaked me out because adopted. Well, what the hell? So I declined. Said the offer is open. I declined. I felt better. And I was worried about my mom getting beat up. So I ran all the way back. The argument was over. He was gone. And so she wanted to know where I'd gone off to. I just told her I went down into the woods. I told her other times it was happening and she would just forbade me to talk to these people. She just got white as a ghost when she heard that I was talking to people from UFOs. I can imagine is it's like she knew something, but she never ever mentioned it to me. Well, I told her that I had met with them and they said that I was adopted. And so she flipped the hell out. And she goes into a box full of the boxman of the bed. She's rifling through these pulls out. My birth certificate says, this is your birth certificate. This means that you're my son. You're not adopted. Well, I don't know a birth certificate from, you know, anything else. I looked at it. I didn't know what I was looking at. I handed it back to her and said, Oh, okay. Okay. She says, you know, I told you not to talk to those people. That could be dangerous. So that all just sort of went by the wayside. The contacts continued on for a number of years. I left home about 18. And when the contacts drew to a close, they told me that I was now because they taught me all this information. I didn't, I went to high school. That's as far as I went. And it was such a stupid educational system. I taught myself a lot more and these other folks had taught me a lot more as well. So I was quite the outcast in school, especially in the educational aspect of it. But they told me to go out into the world and live like everyone else does out there in the world. Just be yourself and learn how to live on this world. Well, you know, on the surface, that sounds like, you know, okay, maybe so. Everybody else seems to be doing it, had no concept. So I did. And the contacts therefore ended. But that was always told if you need us, you can reach out to us the same way you always have and we'll be there for you. Just don't call us unless there's a real need for that. So I went out into the world. By this time, and I'm leaving, you know, tons of details out, of course, but by this time, I had developed the psychic abilities. So they were rather profound. The healing aspect of this was also, you know, pretty spot on every time, helped a few people. And then it got around that there's something strange about that boy. So I had to be quiet about that. Got into relationships. None of these women wanted to know anything about it. They didn't thank UFOs for offending anyhow. I'm trying to impress them with this kind of nonsense. I'm making the wrong move. It's like, well, I wasn't trying to impress you. I just thought you want to know about me. That's what I thought to myself. So I started to be very damn quiet about it. Fast forward to 28 years old, 27, 28 years old. I'm in Phoenix, and I get a message from Zoe, a very vivid dream, actually, showing me taking a journey from Phoenix to Reno, Nevada. And I was supposed to take this journey because somewhere along that journey, they were going to meet up. Something was going to happen. Well, you can imagine when you're, you know, it'd be nice if you had two nickels to rub together. There's, you know, one nickel, your thumb just gets a callus. So I didn't know how that was ever going to happen. I was struggling. Well, lo and behold, this one fellow that I'd been doing some work for, he's going to Reno. He's a hypnotherapist. And of course, my background is in electronics and engineering. A lot of it from what they taught me, but a lot of it from what the government taught me as well. And there's an equal share there. So I left out the part about the things I invented for the government. Well, I have a whole list of questions here. So whenever you get to where a stopping point, we can dive into some of the stuff that you're skipping through. But I'll let you continue on with where you're going right now. Well, I'll just wrap it up by saying they showed up in a ghost town in central Nevada, gave me a crystal ball. And then 10 years later, they showed up to let me know that my mother was going to die in December. This was in late October, early November, that she would die sometime around the middle of December. And if I wanted to make peace with her, I could. And they also wanted to make sure that they said there's going to be information that you're going to discover. That's going to be very challenging. And we want to make sure your mental health is intact so that you're not damaged by the news that you receive. And I said, what news is that? So they told me the entire scope, including some of the memories that I had, always had from those very early moments on this world. About how I was adopted, the circumstances surrounding that. And, you know, my existence, basically, and how I got here and why I was here and that sort of thing. And like, oh, well, how about that? So, of course, I didn't have anyone to tell. The woman I was married to at the time was one of those, you know, don't talk to me about this buddy. And I won't really lose respect for you. Well, when the light came into the house, she was completely paralyzed. And so came in and sat down on the edge of the bed and talked to me. All she remembers is seeing the light moving towards her and then she blacked out. There were people across the street that remembered seeing a UFO land in the street. We were on a side street in Phoenix, North Phoenix. And then it's like they must have just had a weird dream, but they reported it anyway. So she did die and just as they had predicted. And then there was news that was presented to me by my sister that she was there at the funeral and the men were talking. And they wanted to know if I'd ever found out if she had ever told me that I was adopted and the details about it. And then some other men apparently showed up and wanted to talk to the stepfather about this as well and about how it was important that I knew about my origins. No one ever talked to me about it past that point from that end of things. But my sister overheard the conversations. And when she called, she said, I think you might want to sit down because I have some things I got to tell you. And I just find it hard to believe, but I need to tell you. So she did. And it was running a parallel track towards so had told me. So that's how I'll wrap up this particular part of it is that that's how I found out for sure. You know, why I'm so different than them and perhaps why I'm a lot different than a lot of other people. But so did tell me that there were others who had been brought here as well. Same kind of circumstances. Right. So let's try and for the people who don't know your story, they might be a little lost. So you were brought here, dropped off in an abandoned farmhouse. Yeah, physically brought here and dropped off in an abandoned farmhouse. Right. And that's where you were talking about the beginning. It was very cold and you might have experienced frostbite. And then some men came and retrieved you from the farmhouse and where did they take you from the farmhouse? Well, it was the Army Air Corps from Fort Knox, Kentucky. There was no Air Force at that time. And they took me to Fort Knox Hospital on base. And I stayed there. I don't know how long. No idea. But then I was handed off to this military man. And he was chosen because his wife to be my mother was incapable of bearing children as a result of radium poisoning. And they put radium and rat poison. And it kind of screwed up the reproductive system and some of the people that were exposed to it. But that's how I got it. At your job, do you ever have to deal with a nose roller? How about a snub pulley? Well, if you're installing a new conveyor belt system, dealing with the different components can sound like you're speaking a foreign language. Luckily, you've got a team ready to help. Granger's technical product specialists are fluent in maintenance, repair and operations. So whenever you want to talk shop, just reach out. Call clickgranger.com or just stop by. Granger, for the ones who get it done. Hand it off. And then the birth certificate was basically blank. You've seen birth certificates before, but mine has just nearly nothing on it. Right. So, and then at what point were you brought to Fort Knox Medical Center? Was that where they took you? That's where they took me as a baby. Okay. And then how long were you? How long were you there until you were handed off to the Army? I have no idea. I don't know how old I was. And I don't know how long I stayed there until I was handed off. The thing that's always puzzled me is, you know, they say my birthday is September 11th and September 11th was chosen. So even told me at one point, you know, remember your birthday because it's a turning point in your planet's history. And, you know, I never knew what that meant. He says, well, when the world goes to Riyadh, you know, the choices that the people of your world have made were not towards peace. I didn't know what that was either. Not until Desert Storm. And then when 9/11 happened, like, huh, well, now it started to get a better picture of things. Mm-hmm. So they explained to you, so that you ran into a man at, I'm not, I don't know the detail, but didn't you run into somebody who was so excited to meet you? He was like, I can't believe I finally got to meet you. Oh, yeah. That guy in Tempe. Yeah, this older fellow, he was, he was a military guy. He was at Fort Knox and part of the guys that showed up to retrieve me. And he was just, he was just blown away. You know, when I told my decided he didn't know me from anybody, but I told the story and probably, you know, about the same amount of detail, told you folks. And afterwards, you know, he was dressed in his military outfit and everything, you know, and afterwards, he came up and gave me a hug. He's a really old guy at that point. Oh, really old. And he said, you know, I know you won't remember me, but I was there. And I was one of the first, one of the first persons you met when you arrived to this world. And he explained to me that they had gotten the time wrong. He says, typical military is supposed to be there at 11 o'clock. Well, they didn't get there until 11 o'clock at night. So I'd been there like, before dawn, all the way through the day, all the way until 11 o'clock at night, apparently. And that's when they came and retrieve me. It was almost there 24 hours by myself. And he was, you know, pretty elated. And wanted to tell me, you know, his part of this story, so I would know that much more. And that's why I know, you know, these men that I remembered is some somebody coming in lights and, you know, it was all very confusing as a memory, but he really filled in the details and told me that I was taken to Fort Knox Hospital. And that's right, that's where I stayed, and he lost track of me altogether. And who was it that told you about Project Red Light and Eisenhower and all that information? Can you share that story? Well, that's two different trajectories. Project Red Light is what that fellow told me, the old man, that's called Project Red Light. The Eisenhower contact was told to me by so. And, you know, he basically said that they were trying to work out a relationship with the government here on this world, and not just the United States. But the United States was a power and they were, you know, talking because we were friendly compared to the Russians. Anyway, they wanted to have this conversation to offer this world benefit of their scientific advancements. And the ability to open trade between our world and other worlds have people who could openly come here and from here ago there. It was a very generous offer, and they would share technology. But apparently all the people here wanted was some way to wipe out the Russians, and they wouldn't give them weapons. Well, there's another group of the grays that they were fine giving weapons. You know, they had their own agenda, and they worked out this agreement. It was unfortunate that the weapons they provided were really useful, you know, people against people here, but it really wouldn't do a damn thing against the grays or these other groups that were in the same ilk as the grays. It's more than just the grays. So these weapons would have no benefit, protection from them. And the thing that was put in place was that they could come here, they could conduct tests here, they could get raw materials they needed, they could examine people here, but it was all authorized, you know, by our government. But it didn't turn out as dandy as the government thought it was going to. They were very ignorant and thinking the grays were being altruistic when they weren't, because they are not altruistic, even a little. So, yeah, that's what that's all about. So, but it was part of that agreement is how you actually got here, right, something that Eisenhower agreed to, so that our government was very much aware of this program of the ETS bringing infants here. Oh yeah, that was authorized, it was allowed. Excuse me. Yeah, and there are even children that were introduced to Eisenhower, which I really didn't know. I mean, I've told this story over the course of several decades, just telling it because this is what I, I think I know. This is a real thing to me. But when I was on another show with Michael Salah, he kind of blew my mind because he produced documents, the majestic documents that talked about this. In my distant memories, I was flying over the desert going to some place. It was just a blip in the memory, you know, remember seeing it from on high, seeing the old cars driving down underneath, like slug bugs, they were going to slow. Then when Michael Salah provided that information to me, it really sent me back on my butt because that validated to me some of the things that I'd already remembered, and it also validated some of the things that I'd heard from so. And a couple of the others actually that was with, so one was a woman, so it was really quite astonishing. I mean, it's one thing to have memories like this. I mean, anybody can have weird ass memories, right? Right. And you don't know if they're real or not, but then to have them so persistent for so long, well, it just sort of becomes who you are. So it's real or not, it's part of your story, but then to start having pieces fall into place. A little here, a little there, and then in Michael Salah's case, a big chunk. It gave me validation that these things that I'd been wondering about for so long, if could it possibly be true. It gave me validation that, yeah, I guess it is true. Yeah, and I fully believe that it is. And there's, like I said, a number of people who claim a similar, they have a similar story were like Billy Woodard. He claimed he was left in a dumpster, actually, from how earth, which was still ETs, but it's a similar story. And then he was, you know, ultimately picked up by somebody in law enforcement, not just, you know, in your case, it was military in his case, it was law enforcement. And then the Aztec UFO crashed. There was allegedly three infants that came here from that crash, but. The beans, so I guess that you're communicating with is from how steady, if I'm not mistaken. That's what I remember. That's what I remember. You know, we're talking about memories that I've tried to keep, you know, fresh and vital in my consciousness for quite a long time. And yeah, tell city was a predominant, a predominant star. Those mentioned him. He showed me tell city. There's no one called Aaron Donnie. God, I don't remember the names of these things. It's not something that I use every day or even with any frequency. But he named off some stars and later in life, I went and looked these stars up and sure enough, you know, there they are. Right. You know, there were actual places. And then when I heard about the Betty and Barney Hill. Well, that was something that came out during my contacts with so. I think it happened before I ever had those contacts and I came across the story. And so I asked him about it. And, you know, he was, he was giving me some of the some of the background detail telling me I was a real thing. And the people that they met, they were not the grays, but there's another race that looks similar to them. They're kind of a bluish cast. They're not blue, but the kind of a grayish with a bluish cast to them. They're, they're different. The different, you know, I don't say species, probably, but they're just different. You know, kind of like in this world, you have Asians and Indians and people from Africa and white guys like us. I mean, we're all the same species, but we're just different. Right. What we've heard is there's, there's like thousands of different species that all look similar to the typical gray of being, but they're all different species. They're not just one that looks like that. Like a lot of people think. Yeah. And the ones that I saw that I had interaction with, they were actually taller than the little grays. I've seen the grays and I've been warned off by them a few times and I just told them I'd, you know, break their fat head off their skinny ass neck. They didn't knock it off. They, they weren't prepared for me to be able to overwhelm their mind control. But met others that are similar, but they're taller and they have this bluish, bluish cast to them. And they're also well, the grays, you know, they're all very powerful telepathically. But these guys were good guys. They didn't speak like we speak. They spoke in pictures in my head when I was really sick. That's when I met them. I was only about 14. And yeah, they, they showed up and floated me out of the damn house right across the field, right into a big saucer just hanging over the field. And gave me a shot, like a shot, really, but, you know, an injection of some sort. And the next day I was perfectly fine. So they're healing you. Yeah, they were. And so was there too, because I was kind of freaked out seeing these guys. I didn't know I'd never seen anything like that before ever. In my mind, people from UFOs, they look like people. Well, these people didn't look like people. They looked. Well, I mean, I guess scary. Especially when you're laying there and you're under where on a metal table. Big plasma screen TV didn't know what it was then, but that's what it would look like big. Flat panel TV with my image, you know, but all colors and things happening on it. And they're standing there, making a little click click sounds for themselves and holding these little tools. I duplicated one of those tools for the government later. Now you can get them anywhere. You know, it's pretty simple stuff, but. Yeah, they, what did you duplicate? Was it something with a red light? Is that I think I remember you telling us? Yeah, that's what it is. And what was his purpose? To speed healing and to alleviate pain. Okay, so just a little pen with our LED light on the end of it. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, of course, in their case, it was more of a clear wand. Just had a red tip. And I understand that now. I know why was a red tip, but. They would just sort of touch it to my skin different places and look up on the monitor. And they'd click the click back and forth and move it over here. Turn the brightness up some, you know, there's more information. I really don't know exactly how that worked, but I asked so about this later because they were teaching me electronics and astrophysics and all kinds of stuff. And he told me, you know, what it was all about and how it worked. Well, you know, at the time, there was no such thing as an LED on this world. And fast forward ahead about six years. And, you know, Texas Instruments had little red LEDs in their calculator, which was pretty groovy. But I needed something that was terrifically powerful. And I offered to make this. And I didn't tell them how I knew about it or what it was meant to do or any of that. I just told them I knew this would work. And I'd already done a bunch of other things for them that every time I did something it worked. So they got me what I needed and it worked as well and it got classified. And then probably in the 90s, it must have been declassified because people started using it for the horses. And then the, I don't know, FDA probably, AMA, I don't know who it was, was someone classified light as a controlled substance. Honestly, it's laughable. But then, you know, that kind of fell off to the side as well. And so I made a few of these devices sold, it's called the Guardian Crystal. I'm not making them anymore. But they're pretty dandy and they worked exactly what they're supposed to do. Plus they also had the unique ability to light up a person's aura so anybody can see an aura. And, but you don't need the Guardian crystal to do that the crystal was just to carry your medium for the light to go through and diffuse it. So yeah. So a few things it's interesting how tau said he played such a prominent role in the 50s and 40s so I don't know if you're familiar with the Oscar case. A UFO crash retrieval case this we interviewed a guy who did a seven year investigation with a member of the team who was part of this Delta forest crash retrieval. And the beans from that craft were from tau said he and they were completely human looking in appearance and it's one of the best investigations has some of the most evidence that we've ever encountered but tau said he was the tau said he and were very much in communication with our government and the aridani and they were so whenever a majestic 12 was formed and it was turned into a city. The very two first stars that they decided to try to contact to make me make communication with was tau said he and epsilon aridani. That was mean the government knew exactly, you know, who the top settings were and they had been already communicating with them which is no surprise that that's the two stars they chose to publicly announce that they were going to try and communicate with. So I just very interesting this is another case of that time period with the tau said he is how settings being sure active. And so how did you even get into a position where you were inventing things or developing things for the government with the, you know, were you brought into the, they wanted you to join them. Was there a force correct but you never did. Yeah that's right. There wasn't they wanted me to when I was growing up they always had these people show up when my dad was alive. I was supposed to go to the Air Force Academy he was a new thing. And I was going to the Air Force Academy and become this big scientist. Sweetie. I now have a cup of chaos so I'm in good standing at the moment. Nice. As we call coffee here. Oh, very nice. So anyway, no, I mean these these guys with all the brass on and all the decorations and everything they showed up frequently, you know, when I was growing up. When I got six to child they showed up. I wasn't sick for very long, but you know they're always interested in how I'm doing and then you know periodically. Well periodically like once every year. My mom and dad would take off and we'd go to Florida. And let me stay near the beach. And then after we were there for a couple days my uncle Sam would take my dad and I out into the Everglades. We get in a boat, go paddling along. And then, you know, I was eventually taken to a place where these people in hazmat suits. I didn't know what kind of suits they were as a kid, but they look just like hazmat suits. They showed up and I promptly lost consciousness and I woke up back home and it's time for pancakes the next day. That was once a year for quite a number of years. And these same people in suits and also in army regalia. My dad took me to a Masonic meeting. He was a Mason and put me in a little one piece jumpsuit. Kind of a grayish silver looking thing. Gave me these words to read. Well, you know, I was only like six years old. But, you know, I was well ahead of my years in my intellectual capacity. So I memorized the words. I went out there in front of this large audience. The room was just dark. You see people which couldn't really pick out anything. Standing on the stage microphones adjusted way down where I'm at. And I had to say these things. It was it was Latin as I recall. And then I never really knew what it meant. But it was like a paragraph. And then when I was finished, I'd bow, turn around and walk back off the stage left. Actually stage right because you're facing stage right. And my dad would be back there. He's beaming. And then all these people would show up and they just went by. And they all went to pat me on the head to grab my shoulders or shake my hand. And then went on for a long damn time that night. And then I had to take this suit thing off, put back on my trousers, my shirt, my tie, my jacket, even had cufflinks. And my dad and I would go home. And what age was this? I was about six years old. Wow. Okay. Yeah, he died about a year later. So you were being frequently picked up and basically experiencing missing time. You're taking my men in hazmat suits and you would just wake up to next morning in bed, not really having recall of what happened. I didn't know what happened. I know how I got there. My uncle Sam picked us up in his big ass black limousine kind of car like a Lincoln continental, you know. Right. And we'd just go driving out, you know, for a while. And I was looking for alligators and birds and monkeys or anything. Who knows what I was looking for. We turned off the highway, one of these, this white sandy kind of not a dirt road, but a sandy road. You're traveling on here and you take a left, you're down even farther and drive for a long time. And you get out and there's a boat sitting there. So my uncle Sam and my dad would get out and they'd check out, you know, if it was, I guess any snakes or crocodiles or alligators or whatever is down there. And then they'd tell me, okay, come on. Let's go for a ride. And I'd get out of there and go down to the boat. We'd start paddling and going down this, this channel. We get down out of ways and then just like a big wall of trees and brush and just stuff in the way, you know. And then my uncle Sam would say something. He'd whistle and say something. Hey boys or something. And these people would pop up out of the brush. Well, they had all these things all over them too. This looks like they were a living bush. And there's words exchanged. They pulled on a rope and started pulling this rope. And as they pulled it up, this thing was like a flap went up. We went under it. And I guess it went back down because I was just focused ahead and we get off a little ways down there. Left side. There was a clearing. And I'd done this a few times. It was always the same soldier. I remember him so well. I don't know what his name was, but I can see his face very clearly in my mind. Always the same guy. He gives me a stick of the juicy fruit gum. He's happy to see me. I love juicy fruit gum. So I chew the gum up. He'd walk me over towards this big canvas tent. It had like bushes and stuff on it too. Big doors. They'd open. There'd be these two guys come out of these white outfits. Like I said, hazmat suits. I like the Michelin man. And he told me to be a good boy and he'll see me next time. And the next thing I know, I'm walking with them and then I don't remember anything else. So I don't know what it's been speculated that they gave me something to just kind of knock me out. And they took me in there and did whatever it is they do. That's really interesting. It's a really interesting setup to just have in the middle of the woods. Right. In a swamp where I mean land. I don't intend to be seemingly temporary. If it's all canvas, you know, it's not an actual structure. No, it was just like it was set up, but it was nice clearing. It was a pretty big area. There were other tents around there as well. It wasn't just that one, but that was the biggest one. So they were potentially running tests on you or collecting? That's the only thing. That's the only thing I can figure. That's what it was. Because I really haven't any idea what they were doing. I don't have any memories of that at all. Just, you know, walking up to it and never even remembering going inside. Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah. The next day I woke up back in the hotel room and my mom's wanting to know, you know, how I'm doing. And my dad tells me I was a, you know, such a good boy. And we're going to go have pancakes, the pancake house. Well, what the hell? Forget all that other stuff. Let's go for pancakes. And that's how it was. You know, big glass of milk, some pancakes. It's time for more fun. We drove out there and we drove back all the way from, um, all the way from Denver. Oh, wow. So you had, obviously the military was monitoring you the entire, your entire life, which. I think so. Yeah. I mean, if they were showing up, if they were showing up at your house with, you know, brass and. Well, when my dad died. It was like, it was a pretty bad time, you know, within hours. I mean, he died in the morning, coming out of the shower. Um, I can still see him on the floor in the kitchen. On his back. And I remember putting my hand on him. And I, I, I could feel and see that it was like something was terribly wrong. I didn't have words for it. Anyway, yeah, whisk off to the hospital and never saw him again. Never went to his funeral. But later that afternoon, these men showed up in these nice military hats and. All this brass and stuff on their shirts, plus their other guys. There are three other guys aside from them dressed in black suits. And they were there to take me. And my mother wouldn't have anything to do with it. Another one of those times when she said, you know, first certificate, my son, there's nothing you can do, get the hell out of my house. And they said, well, you know, something that will be back. And she was totally freaked out because her husband had just died anyway. And now these guys are showing up to take me away. Well, I didn't know who these guys were really. I mean, they showed up so often when I was a kid, but it's not like I knew who they were. You know, like, you know, a family friend or something. Right. So anyway, yeah, we left there, went to my uncle, Jimmy's, the one that used my talents to get a house. And then we moved back to Kentucky. And lived in a chicken coop for a while that had been remodeled into a one room. Place to live with the running water. And that's my excursion into Green Acres life. So the, your mother, do you really think that she knew everything about you? Absolutely. Absolutely. There was, there was a lawyer in Elizabethtown, Kentucky that has passed away and his records are scattered to the four corners of the earth at this point. But he was a liaison between her and something else. I don't know what else, but it had to do with the government because, you know, with time when my dad was alive, it was all set up. You know, the three of them were like the three musketeers. And he was like on our side, but he was liaison and the government was paying them some amount of money that I don't even know how much money they were, they were getting. But, because they lived in Kentucky first. And then he got a government job in Denver. And so we moved out to Denver. But anyway, he had this government subsidy of some sort. And it continued on until I was 18. I didn't even know that existed until I left home. And then I was told about what a hardship I had caused because now those funds had been stopped. And it's like, well, I'm sorry about that. Right. If you'd have been nice, maybe you ought to stuck around, but getting beat too frequently is not exactly my best interests. Of course. Right. So this. So at what point did you end up working for these corporations and inventing things where they were. It was only one. Okay. And that was called Kessinger's Industries. He was in Elizabethtown, Kentucky. Jim Kessinger was the owner of that. And I don't know what the records are. I don't even know Jim's still alive. I hope he is. He was a really nice guy. Somehow. I don't know how, but I got a job there. And there was this room. It was about 20 by 40. It was a laboratory. At all kinds of, not all kinds of equipment at first. There wasn't a whole lot there, but it turned into quite a laboratory over the course of time. And the way it worked was basically Jim. I would sit back there and smoke cigarettes and listen to rock and roll music. I really wanted to be a hippie, but it just never quite worked out. So Jim would come back and he'd say, you know, we were thinking about doing such and such, but don't really know how to do that. Do you have any ideas? I said, I don't know. Let me have a Coke and a cigarette and listen to music and I'll let you know in a few minutes. So I always listened to. I don't know why, but I'd have a Coke and a cigarette or two. And by the time that song was over, I'd go and see Jim. And it's typically, let's say within 15 minutes because it wasn't as soon as the song was over, actually. I'd say, yeah, this is how you do it. And I'd explain all the little details, step by step, step, step, step. Can you build it? So I don't know. Well, in the beginning, I really didn't know how the hell to build something like that. I could see it in my mind, but I didn't have to build it. So for the first year, they had, and I didn't know they were government. You know, it was just this guy and he had a nice building and I was working there, making money every week. But they had, they flew in one fellow from Princeton and another from MIT. And it was a different one every week, back and forth, back and forth. And over the course of a year, they taught me immersively electronics. Electronics theory, engineering, how to build circuit boards, how to calculate inductances. I mean, just all kinds of stuff. It was just amazing. The amount of knowledge these two guys imparted and I didn't really understand why they were coming there just to do that for me, but I would take it. So at the end of it all, they still showed up. I mean, after the first year, but not as frequently, only when I really needed something. And sometimes they both showed up for that, but usually I didn't need their help. Once I got past the point, I could just feed my own mind, you know, and get a lot more going on in my own way. But yeah, that's how I ended up working there. And I stayed working there really until this newscast with Walter Cronkite. You see, the Vietnam War was going on. Okay. Well, in this newscast, it's not like the news is today. The news today is more of a scyop. Yeah, he put it mildly. Yeah. But back then, the Vietnam War, well, here you are, you know, this is how many soldiers died. And here's the casualties from the other side. And here's war footage and all this stuff. And there's a brand new thing that has really helped the war effort. It is a claymore mind detonator that triggers every single time. And he didn't really go into details about it. But I knew about it because about six weeks ago, I told him how to do it. But you didn't know that's what it was going to be used for. No, you know, what they were doing was they were using magnets and coils of wire to send a signal down a line down a wire. And then that triggered the detonation aspect of the claymore mind. But the more moisture there was, the more inductance there was in the wire to induce that voltage into the soil or surrounding moisture. Anyway, it wasn't that good. And one of the things Jim asked me was, here's the problem. What's the solution? Well, that only took one cigarette and halfway through the song, I knew exactly what I was going to do. So I went back and told him, said, here's how you do it. And it's like, oh, okay. So the next time, you know, I went back to work, that was on a Friday. The next Monday I came in. Here's this military brass sitting there. They want to know, so you think you have a better idea. They were always stuffy like that. They were intimidating to you the truth. And so I was like, yes, sir. This is how you do it. And they're like, all right, draw it up and build us one. So I did, and it's last I resolved it. After all was said and done, I'd built it, everything tested, showed it was the proof of thesis. Six weeks later, I'm seeing this show with Walter Cronkite. And it shows people in this jungle-esque setting and its reigning, as I remember, in this far-off land. All of a sudden, Kablui and people and people pieces just going all over the damn place. And when I saw that, my heart sank. Because the things that I know how to do are not meant to hurt other people is to bring more benefit to life of this world. Right. And so I went in and I quit. Surrendered. Excuse me, surrendered any security clearances I had. Gave them whatever was they needed. And I walk the hell out of there, like 10, 11 o'clock in the morning. Good for you. Good for you. And as I told, I told Jim in the beginning, "I can't give you information that will hurt people, but I can give you information that will help them." So here you go. What a mess. So, I mean, our history is replete with inventions and inventors meant to help humanity that then gets used to weaponize against humanity instead. Right. Yeah. Well, you know, technology is a double edged sword. Right. It's the intention that either gives it a good or a bad potential. Right. You know, even good people with the best intentions can end up doing something that causes harm or ends up, you know, becoming a useful tool for the bad guy. And in my case, that's what occurred. Absolutely. So I went out to Jerry's restaurant and got a job as a dishwasher. So do you still, I mean, do you think all these abilities that you have, obviously, you were probably born with them psychic abilities and, and all the things they were teaching you, so was teaching you throughout the years. Was that why you probably excelled in the technological side or invention as you would put it? Yeah, I think so. You know, part of part of my background was that from an early age until I drank a bottle of tequila at 18, I had an absolutely perfect photographic memory. I would only read something once. And no matter when you asked me, it could be Tolstoy's War and Peace, which was very interesting. But let's take it in a different direction. Let's say the dictionary. I tried to read the dictionary and got boring after the letter C. But my vocabulary was far and beyond anybody around me. I read all Shakespeare's works. And now, what was it like third year high school and literature class Shakespeare is part of it. And they wanted you to read out loud, you know, a passage from Shakespeare and all these other boys and girls, they were reading it. And it came my time. And I told the teacher, this isn't meant to be read, it's meant to be experienced, because I'd already read so many books on so many things. And I'd already read the thing from Shakespeare, although I had the book in front of me, I closed it and set it down. And I read the next three pages, living that moment instead of just reciting words. And she had to stop me. You remember all that? I said, once you go, this other book here, page one, let's say 138, just as a conversational example. And so she opened it up and I started reading right out of that. I knew exactly from one top of 138 all the way down to the next page and the next page. So, yeah, the ability to see things and build things are two separate abilities. But in the mix between the two was a mind that was capable of rationalizing exactly how this all fits together. A lot of the information came from all the books that I read, but the ability to have that kind of comprehensive memory was because of my experiences with so. Do you continue any of that work today? No, I quit. There's no point in it. Why do you say that? Go ahead. I know. Why would I say that? Because I've invented too many things for people. And the only people that have the money to make these are corporations. So I've invented several things and the corporations always want you to sign it all away because you're a nobody becomes the property of. Blah, blah, blah, fill in the blanks. But there's a gentleman's agreement that if you actually do this, well, you're going to get recognized and, yeah, you're going to get some kickback on this. Well, in the case of the 3D electron microscope, now there was any kickback. I saw these other guys get a Nobel Prize and I'm the one that drew it out. There's no mention of me anywhere. Right. You know, the VR helmet. I'm not saying that other people weren't smart enough to figure this shit out because I know they were. But I made the very first VR helmet. I designed it as a gift for NASA. And I showed it to cause a terrific potential for gaming, you know, if you've ever used a VR helmet, you know that now, but at the time, people, their mind didn't go that far. So, I showed it to ballet gaming systems and their, their brilliant German engineer and his fantastic eloquent German voice told me that the computational power is, is overwhelming. I don't know how we could ever do something like this. I said, well, if you build this by the time you get it done, you know, you'll have the computational power. No, this is the waste of time. So even though they signed non disclosure agreements. Didn't matter. You have to have money to go out to people like that. Sega, Sega Genesis 3D. That occurred somewhere around nine months after I showed them because this was in the spring. And I went to see a show in January, the following January, and they had the Sega Genesis 3D, where you get a 3D picture on a flat picture tube. Right. I remember that. Well, yeah, well, theirs was clunky. Mine was perfection. Their limitations had to do with computational power. You see, a TV screen operates a 30 frames per second. So you've got, you've got 30 scan lines, and then you have another 30 rescan lines. And that's 30 frames a second. Four by five is the aspect ratio. So I designed some liquid crystal glasses. They look exactly the same as, because I showed it to him, you know, as Sega Genesis 3D. And these liquid crystal lenses would pulsate. So I needed to make a 60 cycle rate to run that program, because if you take 30 cycles and you run it at 15 per eye, you get flicker at 30 per eye, you get no flicker whatsoever. And I had greater depth of field and more complexity, because I could actually put a set of cameras 70 millimeters apart, roughly. But I'm on a roller coaster, because that's what I did. And show you what it's like to wear this thing, and look at what it's like to sit in front of the damn roller coaster. And it was really kind of nauseating. But, you know, it still gave you the idea. And anyway, Sega came out with 15 frames per second. With your little liquid crystal lenses being fired off by was a point five volts, I think. Anyhow, so you basically got tired of them stealing your inventions and you're not getting credit for it. Is that what happened over and over and also being used for the various purposes potentially. I don't know about the nefarious purposes for any of the stuff I know there could be. I know there have been, especially for the VR systems. But no, I mean, it's not that I wanted to be a millionaire. I just wanted my name to be on there. Somebody to go, gee, that was really great. Thank you. You just wanted to credit, right? Instead of saying basically, oh, that's pretty clever. Okay, go to hell. Right. Right. And that's what it ended up being. So if I'm going to be dealing with people that are that base, why would I waste my time giving them access to even greater things that I know? You know, they need to be nice. If they can't be nice, I don't want to play. Right. What are you going to say? Oh, no. Is this? No. Oh, good. Yeah. I mean, I totally understand that. And it's unfortunate. And hopefully we're going to move past or move into a time where we can actually start inventing things that aren't going to be immediately grabbed up by the government and these agencies and corporations and used, or even not even used at all suppressed. You know, the military industrial complex, you know, they're the first ones to use this technology. And by the time we get it, it's decades old, as we know. But it's so ashamed that people, really minds out there like yourself are just like growing in the towel because you understand the scenario we're in and the circumstances. And beyond. And then you get into the free energy technology, which we've had for at least 100 years. Yeah. And, you know, many others that have invented and what happens every time. Anybody that's going to get silenced or it gets taken in common skate, never seen again, it gets weaponized against humanity. Just over and over and over and over. You know, there are things that I know in that regard. Why? What the hell would I want to be even giving that information out for? Right. You know, all it's going to do is put a big, big red target on your back target. Right. So, you know, hell, I just assumed skip it and just do what I'm doing. Interesting. So, what are you doing nowadays? Well, what I'm doing predominantly, I'm working on people who are ill. And basically, Kathy doesn't like it that I say it this way, but mostly I fix broken people. You see, with the ability that I've always had, whether it was putting my hand on a radio or a TV and it's not working and see why it isn't just by touching it. Well, it's a lot more beneficial to the world if I put it on a person. And it's gotten to the point now I don't even need to put my hand on a person. You know, I just, because I work on people all over the world. And I just, I just connect with them. Ingo Swan, a good friend of mine, of course, passing. He really loved Kathy. He thought she was pretty special. Anyway, Ingo told me it was something called remote presence. He helped me to coin the phrase because his was remote viewing and mine is remote presence. So it's kind of the same thing, except to project yourself there as to just looking. But I work on people all over the world now. That's basically what I do. There is another side to me. And that's where I do broadcasting, have my own show, like you guys do. And connect with the world that way. It's kind of necessary because I deal with a lot of people with a lot of tragedy and a lot of pain and a lot of illness. And being able to just get out of that for a little while. And just go out there into the world in a different format. And it feels very healthy for me. Yeah, that's beautiful. And I might have to set a session up with you for myself. Yeah, I got some stuff going on. I've been struggling with three years. So maybe we can talk afterwards, but. Yeah, I know. Where did you say you know? Yeah, I know, but you can be fine. Well, if it's worrisome, don't worry any longer. It could be fine. Well, that's good. I'm not going to go in any details during a broadcast, but just know that. That's. You'll be fine. Well, that's great. It's great. And I have that feeling also, but it's this weird journey on this whole healing journey. It's been a roller coaster and I've seen a lot of people and. And then a lot of work on myself, but it's still something that I'm just can't quite. Figure out, but. Yeah, I just want to know if if you could get into your Peru experiences and that whole. Sure. Before we go any further, I'm going to have a cigarette. Yes. Absolutely. Go ahead. And for your audience who are wondering how is this guy from the world having a cigarette? Well, remember, so told me to come here and be like everybody else. So I had hamburgers, hot dogs and pizza, love spaghetti, ice cream, coats, coffee, and cigarettes. You live in the human experience. Right. I mean, we talk about all the time. Well, I mean, that's kind of why we come here. I think all of us, we come here to experience this realm and not try to escape it. No, obviously there's an extreme, you know, you don't go either extreme where you. You try to fully avoid the human experience to avoid the human experience altogether. And that's the whole spiritual bypassing and all that kind of stuff. But then there's the people that, you know, then you go, you're living a very unhealthy where you're destroying. But you just don't want to go that route either. Right. You want to use things? Well, you know, a lot of folks say, how can you be a healer and you smoke? Right. Well, how can you be sick and you don't? Right. Right. Exactly. Everything about that? You know, it's not that I'm endorsing it at all, but you know, the truth is you find the things in life that make you happy. Right. And be aside from Kathy and my bass guitar in that order, the things that make me happy are cup of coffee and a cigarette, always has and probably always will. And if you're worried about how it's damaging my body, well, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But biologically, my system internally is running at about 38 years old. We've had it tested at the Navy. I'm 70. The only depreciative thing that I've got is, you know, my rock and roll hair seems to have been stolen. But I think that was the result of a terrific level of stress when Kathy was ill and there was nothing I could do to help her. And that changed me physiologically for a while and I think it damaged the hair follicles, but aside from that, yeah, still a single person, still ready to climb a mountain feel damn good and very strong and vital. So that's great, a cigarette, part of my happiness, what makes you happy and stick to it, even for the people to tell you, you know, there's something wrong with it. They don't know your experience. Yeah. Who was the guru? There was a guru once. I can't remember who it was. It said something like, if you don't have any vice, then you'll just like float away or something. Like, yeah, there's got to be something that, you know, you partake in that makes you like he said, that just makes you happy that you enjoy. Right. Well, yeah, exactly right. You know, and what are the choices? I met a guy that moved to Phoenix from the hills of West Virginia, the mountains, actually. And he was telling me that, you know, he was really unsettled and very unhappy and so what's the problem? This is why I used to sit on my porch and smoke my pipe when it rain or in the afternoon or even in the evening, so the stars says, and now all the people I'm around are telling me how bad it is for me to smoke my pipe and make me just make me not want to do it. Just give me too much trouble about it. So I just stopped and I said, well, they don't know your experience. So if you don't do it, makes you happy, then what are you doing and who are you doing it for? Right. I did a damn pipe in some tobacco. I lit up a cigarette and I said, I'm doing what makes me happy and to help with anybody that doesn't like it, I don't care. Yeah, that's, that's called being sovereign and knowing who you are. And that's power. It is. Yeah, it is. That's it. And a lot of folks don't have that personal power. They're afraid of offending somebody else because of being who they are. Right. If, if that's what's going on, then who are you being and who you being this for? Right. We all wear masks in life. We all do. It's whether we decide to keep those masks in place and good examples of that are, you know, there's, there's the man, then there's the husband, the father, the son. And each one of these different characterizations is a different personalization, a different shift in the person you are in order to accommodate the vision that the person has of you in that characterization. Right. So what happens is over a wide amount of time, at first it doesn't happen, but after a while, and we're talking years, you forget who you are. And you just keep wearing the damn mask all the time and then you end up at some point just being unhappy, it might make you sick, you know, but you're just not, you're not well. But you become emotionally attached to that mask, you become very good. What? You become the mask. You think you are the mask. You become a cardboard cutout version of yourself, basically. Right. You really don't know who you are, but all you know is the mask, is what someone else told you you are or what you're exactly right or someone else, right? Yeah. So then I tell people, you need to go find yourself and you're not going to find yourself around people that you know, you're going to find yourself about people who have no damn idea who you are. Yep. Exactly. And then once that happens, you come back into your normal routine. And now you're being yourself. You've got to refuse to lift that mask up again. But when you refuse to do that, there are going to be people who are disappointed or threatened by the personification that you present and there will be friends who will fall away. There'll be marriages that'll end. There'll be relationships that will cease to be friendly relationships because you're not being what they expect you to be. Right. Exactly. Yeah. But the universe aborts a vacuum and the longer you do this, the better off you are because you'll become surrounded by people who see you as you are. Right. Exactly. And you've just given them permission to be themselves as well. Right. And people that will love you for the real you will come in that are at that frequency. And then you will actually be happy because then you're being authentic. Yeah. And I've had to learn these lessons just like everybody else has to. Right. You know, I've worn the mask and damn thing got stuck for a while. And as soon as I took it off, marriages ended, business collapsed, all these things fell apart. It's like, that's too bad because it was not it was not living the truth about my existence. It was living someone else's truth, what they expected me to be for them. Right. Exactly. And I could not. Yeah. I don't know what clap. I just want to clap right now. I don't know what the proof experience was, but this is probably far more important. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's kind of. The proof experience actually was very big part of it. I said, go someplace and no one knows who the hell you are. Yeah. Right. You become, you remain yourself for a while, but then after a bit, you start discovering these little nuances of your own personality, start surfacing. And you kind of feel good about it because this is this. I feel like I'm just at ease and you notice that. So what happened in Peru and I've been well, I mean, back to Peru in a few years now because of all this business with getting jabbed and masks and all that crazy shit. But in Peru, I had a few encounters that were really quite astonishing. One of them, and I won't go into the depth of detail on this because it would take up too much time. But one of them, there was a young lady from Sweden. I was down there by myself while I was leading a private tour for a very, very wealthy, druggie boy and the money was too good to pass up as long as he behaved, it's cool. I didn't care. Anyway, I was at Machu Picchu and he was going up to the top of Waena Picchu. So when you look at Machu Picchu and across Machu Picchu, right behind there is this tall peaky point place. That's Waena Picchu, the young mountain is what it means. And he was going up there with this fair faucet looking girl and her companion who was the Swiss girl, and the Swiss girl and her just sort of met and they just sort of hang out. Well, about halfway up the mountain, she had used too much San Pedro, which is an alkaloid, musculine alkaloid. And just like, oh my God, I don't even want to go up Waena Picchu. I said I'd go halfway to show you the way. That's a pretty easy recognizable, only one path to get it from that point on. So they took off, they went on. So I'm trying to help this girl. And basically what happened was she stripped off and she was going to fall into the abyss, face up to the rain, arms out, her side. I ran, grabbed her, went over the cliff with her, holding on to a rope, saved her ass. And then after pulling myself up, and her, which wasn't easy in the rain, because it rains like nobody's business down there. Then I had to climb the rest of the way up to the top of Waena Picchu carrying her, sometimes over my shoulder, sometimes just kicking her up, you know, a few steps at a time, I'm just pretty steep and very dangerous. And saved her life. Well, I left in the middle of the night, at midnight, like I say, there's a lot of detail here I'm leaving out. But going down on a Picchu in the dark, with it rainy and slippy like that, it's not something anyone should ever attempt, but I did. Thank God for crushed proof boxes and could have a cigarette on the way down. The next morning, actually the next afternoon, I met up with her down in I will call in today. And she said, you were, you were gallant. You saved my life. And I said, no, I was just doing what I needed to do to make sure you would be safe. I said, well, you saved my life. She says, this is who you really are. And I said, what do you mean? She says, you dropped your mask. We wanted to know if you could drop your mask. We wanted to know if we could have communications with you in the future. We wanted to know what kind of person you are. I was a woman, I was naked, and you and I were alone. You could have taken advantage of me, but you didn't. And I said, well, my God, no, I would never do such a thing. There's no honor in that. This is exactly because that's who you are. And it says, so when I leave here, I'll let them know the type of man you are. I didn't know what that meant, but I said, so about this mask, she said, people always have a mask to conceal who they really are, even in times of extraordinary troubles. They have a mask that they grab one that suits the occasion. But the question they never asked themselves is, who are you being and who are you being this for, right? And that stuck with me. And so the next major event that happened was shortly thereafter when I met a guy named Rich. He was from the Pleiades, and he was very familiar with what actions I had taken to help that young lady. And that's why he elected to spend time with me for the next few years every time I'd go to Peru. And I learned a lot of lessons in Peru, a lot of internal growth emotionally, but also spiritual growth and intellectual growth too. So that's how Peru plays into all this. Yeah, that's beautiful. I mean, I completely agree as far as traveling and being among people that you don't know. You do, I'd notice a different version of myself comes out of it. Version that I'm happy with and you just can't help it sometimes when you go into Christmas or go into a family gathering, that mask. Sometimes you purposely put the mask on job or right. But when you're around somebody who doesn't know you, doesn't know your past, you don't feel like you have this reputation to withhold with whatever I'm trying to say, but you just don't feel like you have to perform, right? And be this person that you're not. So I think this is a beautiful message to end this conversation on. Yeah. And the only last question I do have is, are you still in communication with any of these beings that have been with you your whole life like so and some of these other rich, maybe. Yeah. Well, not rich. I only met him in Peru. He showed up. I met several of them actually for the Pleiades. And I honestly Pleiades and give me a break. That's why I told him I just laughed at him. You didn't believe me. No, not at all. What kind of foolishness Barbara Marcyniak had just come out with this book, Bringers the Dawn. We love that book. We talk about it all the time. So in Phoenix, when it came out, everything was about Pleiades, Pleiades is that any other channeling the Pleiadians. So when Rich says, well, I'm a Pleiadians like, uh-huh, sure you are, sure you are. But then, you know, later he gave me enough evidence that I had no question but to believe him. And he proved himself over and over and over again many, many times. And the others that I met that were like him, they didn't need to prove themselves to me, but they did. And even Kathy got to meet one of the tall, uh, Black Pleiadians, um, uh, freaked her out because, you know, a bit of a story there too, but he had helped us. And we met up with him again in Cusco and he wanted to come and say, everything worked out all right. And so yeah, it did. He's very happy for us. He turned on his heels and you buy, see you around, takes about three or four steps and just vanishes, just flat out, it evaporates, gone. And Kathy's like, chair, well, did you see that? Was that a Pleiadian? Cus I already told her all the stories and said, yeah, it was. I wasn't sure at first, but yeah, I'm certain of it now. Wow. Wow. And just being in touch with Zo and the others, you know, I haven't had a reason to be in touch with them. I really haven't put it out there, but one time in the past, oh, I don't know, eight or nine years, Kathy wanted some validation. So I asked Zo very kindly if he would show up and, you know, he did. And it was a terrific event. And Kathy was by herself and so totally blown away that she had trouble breathing. You know, this gigantic craft just floated the hell right over the top of her is about 500 feet long. And they let her see it, you know, I told her the night before I'd asked Zo if he would show up the following night. So she was outside and sure as Ellie did and so, yeah, you know, the details they left me with were basically, you know, unless you need us for something. I don't need them for anything at the moment. I know, you know, it'd be nice to have that conversation. It's not that I need it. It'd be nice if I had it and, you know, I promised Kathy that, you know, if something happens and I'll certainly call out to Zo, there are others I could call on as well. And you know, I guess we'll see what happens if it gets to that point. But as it stands right now, it would be a G-Wiz thing like it was for Kathy. And I told Zo it was going to be a G-Wiz thing. She just wants to know if what I'm telling her is true. Yeah. She loves me. She believes me. But you know, there's always that element of if I had the chance to see it myself, I'd believe it 100%. Right. Mm-hmm. She got that. That's beautiful. So it'd be nice to have that conversation with them. Be nice to have, you know, another exchange. I don't know that I ever will. I probably will, but I don't know when or how. Maybe you'll call them in for the conference next year. I guess. No. I just couldn't. I did that for a group up in a giant rock. No, yeah. Yeah. That flipped their wigs. Well, you know, I think a lot of people are looking for that moment of, you know, that validation just to like, we talk about the stuff all the time and finally seeing it. You're like, yes. Like that happened to me with the black triangle craft material. Right. That's, I mean, how many times have we discussed it? And then I... All'd be so excited. He's like, well, you know, I've just saw, yeah, but two or three people right now, they flew out of my house and it just, it's one of those things where it didn't even matter. Like I don't care who it was or what it was, like to actually see it with my own eyes. It was, it was everything I needed in that moment just because like it, even though I knew it was real, now it's real, you know, now you know, know, it's real. Right. And that was Kathy's situation too and being able to see it. Yeah. I think if I'd been out there at the time, it might have been more contact than just the witnessing of it, but unfortunately there's, I was working on someone who was very ill and I was in another place and she was out there waiting, you know, that's great to see it. Well, we're, thank you so much for joining us today and we're really excited to see what presentation you put together for the conference and we're looking forward to meeting you in person there and, and do you want to let our audience know how they can follow you and what you're up to and where they can find you? Sure. There's a couple of places. Of course, you get the spelling right, but it's jerrywills.com, W-I-L-L-S, jerrywills.com. That is the, the site, everything to do with health and healing and have personal sessions with me, you know, phone sessions at this point, the world was too big for me to get all over at one time. The other side is jerrywillsshow.com and that is where I have, like you, I have guests and interview people and, you know, do that kind of fun stuff. The only other thing I can say about it is there is also on Facebook, which I'm not a big fan. I think Facebook's a bunch of damn communists, but yes, I completely agree. Like you'd, like YouTube is. Yeah. A hundred percent. Oh my gosh. I have no idea. Yeah. Right now. Very valid. Very valid. Yes. Very true. Facebook, it's ExpeditionsTV, or just look up, just look up jerrywills on Facebook. You'll find me. I've got a crazy silver hat on and, you know, groovy pair of sunglasses. You'll find me easily enough. And for your audience, since it is Christmas time, and this, this might date your broadcast, but it's good anytime of the year, I suppose. If you'll go to YouTube, I was in a band with Kathy for a few years, and we had some terrific music. Well, one of the songs that I just love is called "More Like Christmas Eve." So if you go to YouTube and look up Jeff Bird Project, it's B-Y-R-D, Jeff Bird Project, and "More Like Christmas Eve," you'll find it. And that's, you know, the other, I told you my bass guitar was one of my favorite things. Well, I'm playing bass on that. Kathy chimes and jingle bells and congas or whatever she's playing, shakers, but she's on there too. And some other really talented artists, it was released by Universal Music. We got well over a million, 100,000 hits in 24 hours, right when it was released. That's amazing. So it's a real nice song and really appropriate song for this time of year, so you might enjoy it. Well, definitely check that out. Thank you. We'll link it in the video and we might even get bold and just play it at the end of the episode too, right? Go right ahead. You have my permission. I own the publishing company. Well, awesome. Well, we got demonetized and that doesn't matter anyway. Yeah, YouTube just demonetized us recently. So this has been fantastic. Thank you so much. And we will check that star out and we'll put all of your links in the description below. We're looking forward to meeting you in person and guys, if you want to come hang out with us in person as well, rebelsofdisclosure.com, grab yourself a ticket, come hang out or we can't wait to meet all of you guys there and unless we have anything else to say. No. Thank you so much. It's been an honor and a pleasure having you on, Jerry. Can't wait for the conference. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. I'm excited. I'll be real jazzed to meet both of you. Yeah, it would be great and we're excited to meet you and everyone else who showed up. So, and reconnect with all the people who have been the past two years and all of our fans that just support us along the way. We can't do it without you. And we love you all. And until next time, have a great evening. Good night. Good night, guys. See ya. [MUSIC] The stockings still hang on the mantle, this presence still under the tree, and hearts filled with anticipation, with all that tomorrow might break, where you can't help forget in this field. No matter how old you might be, 'cause we all find one thing to believe in, together on Christmas Eve, life slows down for just one night, everybody gets along, everybody sings along. The world finds peace and home of me for me every day to be, more like Christmas Eve. Well, the kids all have not shown it, and all of the shopping is done, Oh friends, stop by with a bottle of wine, and toast to the good things to call. Life slows down for just one night, everybody gets along, everybody sings along, the world finds peace and home of me, if only every day could be, more like Christmas Eve. So let's change every day on the calendar page, to read December 24, and keep the decorations up all year round, and pray out a little more, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, All life flows down for just one night Everybody gets along, everybody sends a hold You are a fight, peace, and harmony Only everything to be, oh, like Christmas Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪