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EP 264 - Jackie Kenner: Project Starmaker - "If this were really happening, we would know about it."
Originally aired on 8/31/23
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Jackie Kenner is a medium and spiritual connections teacher with memories of off-planet experiences and lifelong contact with extraterrestrials. A psychic since childhood, Jaci had an extreme expansion of her connection abilities at the age of 29 - which she attributes largely to her relationship to an ET race. She shares her abilities professionally through one-on-one sessions and teaching programs for those looking to connect to the unseen world and enhance their own abilities.
Jackie asked all who are searching to remember these truths:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEomVfNBgp4
You can find her at:
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- Duration:
- 1h 16m
- Broadcast on:
- 04 Aug 2024
- Audio Format:
- mp3
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And then two years ago, and then she spoke at our conference, which was one of my favorite talks. She has an incredible testimony regarding what she calls experimental programs. It could technically be a secret space type of program. But the SSP is so much of a blanket term. There's so much more involved than just space programs when people are being abducted. A lot of times they're not taking the space. Sometimes it might be here on Earth or who knows. But she has an incredible testimony. And if you haven't heard it, I highly recommend going back and listening to her story. But she also co-wrote, she ghost wrote, the first book, series, Colony Cavalier, Tony Radvig's book. And then she co-wrote the second book with him, Project Star Maker. And we're going to be getting into some of that content and some other stuff here. Nice, nice. And you have some other recent experiences that I know you're interested in sharing with us. You were telling me about on the phone the other day. So let's just have some fun with it and welcome to the show. Thank you. I'm happy to be back. I was just telling you guys, I shouldn't describe it as this, but I feel like I'm coming out of a dark cave called Parenthood. We're approaching one year next week. Little loss will be one year. So I have no idea what's going on in the community, by the way. I can imagine. That's good, though. That's good because your perspective is fresh. And yeah, you were pregnant at our conference. Yeah. You spoke. Yeah. I mean, you were pretty far along too. Yeah, I was. And you still knocked it out of the park. So thank you and congrats. Thanks. And we're happy for you. So there's a lot. Just the little parts in the book. There's so many questions I have as far as that goes. But before we get into that. What have you been uncovering? Are there any new developments in your story? I know you said you went on a road trip recently and you had some revelations. Do you want to share that with us? Definitely. So we, my husband and I sort of agreed after a while of me researching. And I have to say one thing, by the way, because last interview, two years ago, I read the comments and people were like, why is she blinking so much? I am blinking because this ring light is harshest hell on your eyes. And so I have contacts. That's the only reason I'm not like a character club. I'm going to know that. Now everyone's going to be looking at your eyes blanking. But probably. But now you know why it's really hard to like, it's like right behind the camera. Ring lights are tough. They're bright. Yeah, it's a lot. So my husband and I agreed after a while that I was going to stop really digging for more information or going into deep meditation. They're just trying to remember more about my experience because ultimately what I came to realize was. I accepted his truth. I don't have a shadow of a doubt that I was taken for experimental programs. And then it's like, okay, but what matters about that. Two things. One, we're being lied to about what's going on on earth and off earth. And two, I must have been put through extensive psychic training. Because I have memories of it and I seem to have after mass. Abilities from it. So I became more interested in how do I utilize that to do something useful on earth. While I'm here and this life in this body. Because ultimately digging into those memories and experiences, it doesn't feel good. You don't feel good and it kind of messes you messes me up. Nobody wants to listen to it unless you're on this podcast, by the way, like nobody in my day to day life wants to hear these. I can't even get three seconds in before people's eyes glaze over. So we agreed, put it to rest, focus on my abilities and how I can put them to good. However, I still have these compulsions to research things. So when I realized that the name of the company that I remember is about three miles from where I went to summer school. And this is a company whose name I saw on paperwork and folders and when I was asked questions, it would be up in the top left corner of the sheets that they were reading the questions from. So it was about three miles from my summer school, which is about two hours from where I live now. And one day, three weeks ago, I was like, I got to go, I have to go drive by this address that's listed for this company. Even though I made an agreement to stop, I just, I had to go. So I drove out there two hours. As I got closer and closer, I started having like a physical reaction and like immense fear like I couldn't feel my legs, you know, you have your face goes a little numb where you just like, it's like, you need to sit down, which was interesting for me. So I get there. It's a house on a lot of land. There's a detached garage. And then behind the house is this finished shed I wouldn't call it a shed it looks like another small garage it's like brick to roof everything completely finished. So they had left the door open, and inside was a cement floor, and then a pipe, probably like this big around solid black that went from the floor up to the roof, and that was the only thing inside of this shed. It's kind of like okay whatever, you know, but then you think about it and you're like what the, what would what would they venting up like what's what's below there what why is there a pipe. And that's it and it's completely, you know, encased in this structure. So, I got to jump back to about a month before Tony Rodriguez has a remote viewing group where people practice in the group and the way that that works is you write the coordinates of something on a piece of paper, you put it in an envelope you seal the envelope. The person conducting the experiment, which is Tony says to the remote viewing group, this is your target, and they only see the envelope. They don't see anything else just the envelope. He had given him the coordinates to a park right by my house. And he emailed me after and sent me the photos and it was shockingly accurate and if anyone's ever interested I can send you videos and what the remote viewer saw but it was like a black wall here, a stadium with fans because there's like a rugby soccer field. And then this woman said dark air, which was the part of the park that was shaded by trees, it was like so accurate. So, I asked Tony, would you please give them the coordinates of this house, this shed in particular, and have your group remote view it. He emails me back after they do it, and three people saw underwater or underground rail system, but also interestingly, a water channel to the ocean. That was from two people in the group. They said there's like a waste system to the ocean, humans in bars or cages, it was a drawn image, so it looked like a cage or like barred and a lot of pain and suffering. So, a normal person would be like, well whatever but you can't contrast the they did the park and it was exactly accurate and then they did this location and that's just kind of weird it's like, what if that's exactly accurate to what is going on there. Right. And so that's the latest thing that, which would, you know, it would make sense that there's some kind of vent system from underground out, but I don't know what was going on there but that's what I uncovered recently. Yeah, I think that's, so that stack was coming like through the concrete floor. Yeah, so it was coming and there's, there's no basement in the garage, typically, you know, so people in Texas don't really have basements because our water tables are so high that our foundation shift all the time. And so basements are uncommon. In fact, very rare in the Dallas area, except there was a church a block away from us that when they knocked it down there was like a like 6000 square foot basement in the church, which is super fucking weird too, but I don't want to go into that. Yeah, have you seen the movie like end of days or there's a bunch of movies that depict like the basement of churches like a church. It's not what we think it is. Yeah, I will agree with that. So they're very rare in this area, almost no one does them because the wall split and it'll crumble like the foundations can't handle basements so it is very odd and at first I was like oh it's probably like a smoker like a barbecue and then I was like why would it run into the cement ground, you know like your own mind plays tricks on you to try and explain it and justify it and even like just calm down this is nothing but it's something. You start gaslighting ourselves, you're like no just happened. So, okay this takes me to chapter eight in the book where you start the chapter. If this were really happening, we would know about it more people will talk about it and this is something you hear a lot of people say and this is their cognitive dissonance I guess like if this were true we would know about it. And this kind of infuriates you and you go on to explain why but I'm going to let you take it over from there because your explanation was beautiful and I'll just let you take it from there because I'd love to hear what you have to say and why why this makes you so angry. Well essentially because it's true you don't hear about it. That's the main point that's what I get to and the truth we have to kind of dig around for now. And what people want us to believe is really easy to find. Even include in the book that most I know you guys know and most of this community knows is who owns your media. And what's their agenda. And because there is an agenda and there is a story and a narrative and our media is owned. We get to know what they decide we should think. And my experience by the way when people are like oh well can you prove that. How do you know and you start to explain it I do not know what happens but it's like eyes glaze over like you can't even get. Ten sentences in before somebody is. Lost right. So I don't even know if people want to know the truth. A lot of people don't it's just so scary and outside of their paradigm they just can't handle it and they. What we just said earlier. They will convince themselves this must be BS or just. You're hallucinating or it's dreams or whatever explanation that makes them feel comfortable. So they don't have to believe it don't have to even consider that it could be real or look into it at all. Because it's too scary for a lot of people. Yeah and ultimately what would it mean for them. That's where people get hung up if this is true what does this mean for me. Well it means an entire lifestyle change and and letting go of a lot of things that you've attached yourself to and that's people aren't ready for that and. Means the world is not what they thought it was. And we're living in some kind of like a Truman show reality where everything is controlled and there's all these lies. That are fed to us and then there's all these true things happening that they don't want us to know about. And like you just said you have to dig for that if you're going to find it's not just going to be presented to you. Like they're there are people trying to present it. There are people trying but they're being attacked and you know they're being censored and. Yeah. But you have to want the truth it really comes down to that you have to want the truth and so many people don't actually. Want truth it is want. Comfort they want safety. Yeah. Think about your worst breakup ever where you're like wow I thought I knew this person and I didn't. You know and how hard it is to come to terms with that and grieve that and get over that. Like how did I miss this like you know I thought it was love whatever but takes a long time and it's like see that amplify that times 10,000. And thousand people have been lying to you and telling you it's one way or this is how it is. And it's not and think about like the jolt the shock to your system to try and embody that and that's why people don't want it it's like you'll blow a fuse. Well and this brings me to my next point as well so. There's some very credible people some friends of mine people who have reached out people I know. That are genuinely concerned we're being duped because they truly believe the secret space program is all implanted memories and or virtual reality. And that's it. And they're like completely sold on it and they think that anyone who believes in this stuff where we're just all completely being duped so we had this conversation the other day on the phone. And you made some really great points and I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. Yeah so in my presentation and grafting I brought this up like we have first of all I love that someone would make that point because great let's put it on the table and discuss it and pick it apart a little bit and see where we get. We have to leave space for all possibilities if that's anything we've learned anything is possible the unimaginable is possible and probable actually. So, with my own memories I'm like is this line is this a psychic connection to someone else's stuff is this a false implant from somebody who has intentions of creating false implants and people. Is this a bad regression, where somebody subliminally subliminally brought things out of me that suited their agenda. 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But why would they be doing it on such a mass scale and why would they give so many people so much consistency? Why? Why would there be so much consistency in stories? You got to use Occam's razor. Yeah. And when you really hear out the testimonies, there's certain details and specifics in certain people's stories or testimonies that, I don't even like to use the word story testimony, that you just can't like, if they're in plane that detailed of memories, like why? To what end? And like you said, it all ultimately leads to the same truth. But I also want to bring up the fact that you and other people have talked about going through virtual reality training that was so real. You couldn't decipher it. Corey Good actually talked about this. He said that the training was, it was so real. Like part of the training was determining that you were in a simulation. And then that's how you passed that course. And you experienced some sort of virtual reality. I'm going to take that one level further, knowing you're in a simulation, but it's so real, you can't help but act. You can't help but respond because it's so real that your sensory system can't handle it. It's like, okay, I know, I mean, it's like when you're like, I know this is a dream and you try to calm yourself down, but you can't because you're experiencing the sensations of the dream. The virtual reality is that intense where you're like, okay, I know this is VR, but I'm still going to respond and react and behave in this because I can't take the sensations from it. I was just sorry, I got to go back to one thing because when people ask someone who has a testimony to prove it, think about how hard it would be if you told me about an earth-based memory that you had when you were a child and I asked you to prove it. You know, like, you were like, well, when I was eight and I went to this party and this kid said this and then this happened, I saw this adult do this and I said, prove it. It would be nearly impossible. And I could say the same thing, what if that's an implanted memory? Like, what is the past? Yeah. I don't want to get too, you know, abstract or out there, but I think making the claim that these are implanted memories is not good enough. It's not good enough because the moment you say that, you poke holes in all reality. Yeah, to me, it's just the people saying that want to believe that. So they've convinced themselves, oh, that just must be the case. Move along. Nothing to see. But they just want to believe that. That's it. There's nothing backing up what they're saying either. There's no proof of what they're saying. There's no proof of that. I do believe that they do have the ability to do that and give someone a false experience via voice of God technologies and stuff. So, yeah, the conversation should be had, but it doesn't explain away everything. And so let's go back to the virtual reality. So explain to us how that training happened for you and how you got out of it and how you knew it was a simulation because, and then how you would determine or decipher that between a real memory and the virtual reality. So that's a great question and the ones that I know where VR is because I remember it ending and black, and then it was almost like a visor, you know, coming up. It's possible that there are memories I have that are VR that I don't know their VR, because I don't remember the ending. So, so for example, a more vivid one is flying in crafts, or I wouldn't say crafts, but flying, let's say, and knowing that you are going to crash. You don't use some life force within yourself to activate a technology to keep yourself from crashing into the ground. And this activation of this life force was the challenge, like, could you, it's almost like you use your body to interact to activate this technology, so that as you're approaching the ground, you levitate more or less, but it wasn't just you. It was you had to alter your, I don't know, I'm explaining this the way I understand it. I don't know if this is going on, but you had to alter your DNA to activate both your body and whatever sort of craft you were in to stop before it hit the ground. And the, the issue is, if you didn't, you experienced death through the virtual reality. And all of us had partners, or I had a partner and I know there were six or seven other people, because when the visor came off, we were all just sitting in chairs and like a white hanger looking building. And then you started up, and you had to not only save yourself from death from crashing, but also you had to like work with your partner telepathically to get them to activate. And the one that's really vivid to me is when I was like, I was safe, I wasn't going to hit ground but my partner wasn't capable. She wasn't able to get hers to activate. Actually psychically activated hers for her, and stopped both of us just before the ground. And then it went black but I didn't experience death. And then so when in this memory, my hands were tied behind my back in a chair, and someone came over and lifted the visor up and he actually said to me, you should not have done that. Because what what I implied from that was that that had taken me into another level, because it's one thing to activate yourself it's another thing to activate another's. And he, it was like this simultaneously it was like super impressed but also was like should not have done that. And but the death process through the VR was so uncomfortable, because I knew if she didn't activate we were both going to die because we were tied together. So I don't even remember the question you asked because I got so it was just how to decipher the virtual reality between a normal memory. Well, I mean think you pretty much answered it all right. Yeah, I only know when they end it. You know if it went to black and then you came into the material world let's say. Some of my memories are so far from the reality we experience on earth, I could ask myself, is this VR or was I actually on a planet with blue beings that had really tall elevator you know like, I don't know, I can speculate. Well, I mean, and I'm not here like, I'm not trying to like, call you out or anything. No, don't worry. I feel very comfortable talking about what this could be and why it's important to discuss it. Yeah, I just, I just want to bring it up because it's a gen, it's a legitimate concern and a lot of people were talking about. But then again, okay so next question, if it is virtual reality, somebody still abducted you and brought you into a program, and you're in a hangar somewhere. And if that's one memory like who's the site like, where does that lead you, you know, right. And what does that mean? Yeah, it leads back to the same thing there's advanced technology coming from advanced. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we see the craft flying around with our own eyes. Yes. Oh, there's reverse engineered tech we know there's ET's that are here we know. Like, we, and then, so you have the SSP experiencers testimonies and there's many of them now that corroborate each other many of them, you know, line up and many of them claim they were with each other in the program saw each other all that kind of stuff. And then you have things like William Tomkins testimony, which corroborates it. And he's not an experiencer. He actually worked on, you know, design the craft and all that stuff and had all his information. You have Gary McKinnon hacking the DoD server and finding off world fleets and officers and stuff. You have, you know, all these things that it's like you gotta use Occam's razor at a certain point. It's like, at a certain point, you can see the greater body of truth that all these things are tapping into. It's not like it's one conspiracy for all these people are like, "Oh, we're all going to make up this story in light," or they're being all lied to to, like, say it's a real thing when it's not. It doesn't make any sense. Well, and we have to think about what the information war is like right now. So, of course, there's going to be misinfo or disinfo agents coming out saying, claiming that it's all VR. They would love for us to believe. They would love for us to believe that because that means they get away with it. That means they get away with it. Something else you said in, oh, go ahead. If you want to add to that, Jackie. It looked like you were about ready to say something. So. She's considering. Well, I'm going to just screw it. Where else can I say it? Right. I think we. Okay, so let's go to Stalking the Wild Pendulum by. That's a great book. And so let's talk about the progressions of consciousness, where it's mineral, plant, animal, human, and then the human ascension, either still in our body, but our consciousness is sending or what goes on beyond that. And all of these vibrate at different levels. And I think for some reason there is a very conscious effort to bring us back down to animal, plant, mineral. The thing about VR and living in this virtual reality is it puts us at the level of mineral where we don't move. We don't experience. We just watch. We just observe. We don't interact. And all these cities that are being built where people will stay there forever or this notion of this 15 minute city where everything is in this small landscape of experience. So even the push to blame it on VR to me is dangerous because it's bringing the human experience down back to the mineral level, which I think is a very conscious effort to stagnate what we're capable of. Well said, yeah, it's the same with the flat earth and the concept of like being trapped under a dome that we just were helpless we can't escape. They want you to feel powerless and helpless. Right. And then that's that's part that's exactly why they pushed that. You, a quote from the book I love you, you, you had so many great things. And the truth is powerful confronting even something we all say we want, but most of us are full of shit. I just got chills. Yeah, so explain that please. I mean. I see this in my sessions with people a lot, you know, they'll come in and so I'm going to take it down to a very like mundane human level but then we'll take it a little bit further into like consciousness and awareness. So people have a session they want another purpose in life. And the guidance that comes in is like, why don't you stop bitching out your husband. And they're like, no, no, no, I want my purpose in life. And it's like you're not ever going to be aware enough to connect with your purpose if every day you're dropping your vibration and ruining the energy around you by bitching out your husband because you're uncomfortable because you don't know your purpose in life. So you say you want this, but in order to have this, you have to look at this. People don't want that. So that's a very like rudimentary human earth based level. Then if we kick it up higher a notch of like, who are you? What are you capable of? What can you connect to? What can you do with that? If you if you get people pass the over here stuff and start bumping them into that, most people can't handle it. And so everybody says that they want a tension that they want a life of a weakness and awareness, but ultimately the thing between you and that is change. And most people don't want to change. Therefore, they don't want the truth. And that's where that saying comes from your most of us are full of shit. It's just too uncomfortable. Because that requires them to change correct receive that, but they want to stay at this level they're at and still it doesn't work that way. Right. Right. And we live like you said, we tell ourselves stories like you had to let go of all the stories you were telling yourself that created the identity you had attached yourself to. And you have to let go of all that that was actually you talk about that during the part when you did the ayahuasca or what was the other, the other one that you did. That was really interesting. The dark room and the bird being I have questions about that experience as well. I'm like, I'll talk about it. Yeah, please. Yeah, so. Well, let's talk about the dark room and then where you went after that and how you had to let go of all your beliefs about yourself and all the stories you were telling yourself. And why that was crucial to break free basically. Yeah. And even also just as important as I had to experience the emotions that I had avoided. So. I did so. And in all. Anything I've studied, ancient, let's just talk about like Greek mythology. There are notions that certain gods like. Mente was bound to the earth as a plant and punishment for her behavior and lives in the mint plant. I think this is literal, by the way, I think that these ancient teachings I'm just using Greek mythology as an example. I think they're there to teach us about spirits being bound to plants and these spirits being able to interact with us through things like plant medicine or even something as simple as what you eat or essential oils. But we'll cut ahead to my time in Peru, where I tried ayahuasca and it didn't work for me and the explanation that the shaman gave me is as a medium he said you are ayahuasca. You are living between the two realms where ayahuasca takes you and coming back. And then I tried wachuma, which is another plant medicine that is San Pedro where wachuma is what they call it in Peru. And it's masculine based and it really rocked my world. And when it fully kicked in, I was leaving this realm and my body and entering through a very dark place, super dark place where all the possible negative emotions you could experience really nasty low stuff exist there. And in order for me to leave that space, I want needed help from my guide that came, which by the way, I agree to this but it was a fucking blue bird and Tony was like don't say that you're going to get sued. I don't give a shit I'll see you in court, it was a fucking blue bird you can't have my story. 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There are certain things that affect our ego and then there are certain things that affect our spirit. And spirits not interested in this shit spirits interested in this shit and I'm calling the bird spirit, but it was definitely a guide that came through the Wachuma plant to help me understand lessons that my soul was working on. I forgot your question again. You were answering it. You were explaining the experience of going through the dark room and then why it was important that you had to let go of all those stories you were telling yourself to break free and go into wherever, leave that room. Yeah, so we time travel together and I know that Wachuma is supposed to be, I think they say like a grandfather energy, but for me, it didn't have whatever they're kind of androgynous to be honest, but the bird took me back through we time traveled. I re entered periods of my life, like in very physical reality like I got plunked back in and I was begging to leave. I was like, I don't want to be here. This is not why I'm here. And the bird was like, stay and feel it. Because every emotion that you ran from is still there and you have to feel it and you have to process it and you have to let it wash through you and go. So my experience with that bird was re entering these four critical periods in my life that were exceptionally painful that had caused some kind of trauma. And actually feeling them, which by the way was overload. I mean, I was weeping. And the interesting thing about it, which I didn't expect is if I open my eyes, I could pop back in my earth body, I could see the canopy around me, I could get a break. But then I would feel this tugging from this bird saying, come back, we're not done, and I would get my, you know, strength up again and I would close my eyes and I would re interests every time through the dark room to the bird. And she would say, are you, are you ready? And so I had to consent to each healing. So it's important to understand that fear, guilt and shame are separation from our godliness. They're not ours to carry. They're not meant to be carried by us, and that there are certain things that are. That affect our spirits that we can't run from, you have to jump into the middle of it and feel it and understand it and understand ultimately why I believe your spirit chose to have to, for you to have that experience, but also that we have help from these other entities or beings and I don't know if she was a blue avant, I don't know, I know that it looked like a bird, and it was there for my best interest and it's the most loving experience, one of the most loving experiences I've ever had and it changed my life, my life completely changed after that. You mentioned when you went back to the dark room at one point. Those beings there were trying to basically siphon your energy or parasite off of you for their enhancement. Can you explain that? And were these were these entities just residing in that dark room, or were they something that had been attached to you all along? That's a really good question. I just think that they're there, you know, they're just there and they'll take opportunities from all of us to grow, but they need, they need us to exist. It's like they need, think of it like an implant. Like it implants an aspect of itself in our body or psyche or spirit and so long as we choose to house certain negative emotions, then they're receiving that energy from us. They're a parasite and an implant. My sense from that experience is that each of us have work to do with them. Like all, well, I don't even think that Earth is inhabited by the same, all the same species as me, but the people who are my species have work to do with them. I got that sense like this is something we're all here working on. Yeah, it's really interesting. I believe that like the whole parasitic thought forms and the parasitic consciousness. I mean, that's kind of how they run the show here is through and then all siphons off and got some feeds off of us and they can't exist without us, even on a mass scale, zooming all the way out. But jumping back to the fun part of that journey, you saw the blue are to pink dolphins, actually. Yeah. And pink dolphins are a real dolphin that do swim in the rivers in South America. Yes. But what was your experience when you saw them? So I could see, I could see what we're supposed to see, meaning if our brain is, let's just say it's using 10%, 10 to 15%. But we know there's 85% of brain left and we have like a perceivable scale of colors or wavelengths. When we use that 15% of our brain, it's like my whole brain was activated and I could see more wavelengths. So the dolphins would go underwater, but I could still see their energy masses moving. And so we were sitting out on a deck looking over the Amazon River, and the dolphins would go away and I could say over there, you know, trying to keep my hand in the camera. So over there, watch over there, two are going to come up and they would. So I could actually perceive their energy bodies beyond the murky water. And I could also see that for the people around me. You know, something interesting happened in Peru that I'll tell you where is another way of saying most of us are full of shit which by the way I'm not saying that judging, because I have my own stuff that I'm working on and avoiding, even still. I'm saying in a sense of like camaraderie, you know, even I sometimes have full of shit but. So when the what's human started to kick in. People left the more ceremonial space and went and started drinking and dancing. Because what's human is so confronting. It is extremely you what's human grab the hold of you and you're done when it's done. And notice that one by one people were leaving the group and going and trying to avoid it by putting on loud music and drinking, which are not supposed to drink with these sacred plant medicine. And I could see what was going on with people, I could see their energy bodies and where their life force was blocked or like, I shared the experience of I could see male energy inside of my female friend. And it was just like everything that I think we're capable of seeing I got to see for a little bit because my brain was both sides were synced up and more alive and aware. So, you're talking about your questions. No, it's great. You were talking about you were able to the energy to dolphins. We're leaving dolphins. Yeah. Yeah. But the same was going on with the people around me. You know, that stayed. I just, I remember being like, don't leave. You know, this is magic. There's a magic happening right now. Don't leave and watching one by one is people just couldn't handle what was happening. So you were able to see. Were you able to see like an energy signature following the people like you were the dolphins. Around them around them. Around them. Yeah. And then that's one around. Different colors and different like flowing patterns. And some of the art, like I would describe it as the endocrine system was glowing differently and different people. So you could see the glands and colors in the glands. So you were able to identify where the dolphins were going to emerge or surface. Yeah, because I could see them underwater. But, but you, how would you know where their projected surfacing point would be? Like, how did you. I could see them going and coming up. You could like see through the water, I guess. Right. Their energy signature. Let's call it their energy body was. Not blocked by the cloudy river. Okay. That makes a lot. And it was pink. It was pink like the dolphins, which is interesting as well. Right. Wow. Okay. So writing this book with Tony. Well, first of all, Aaron, did you have any questions or did you have anything you want to add to that? No, no, not right now. Okay, great. So writing this book with Tony. I know it's been an interesting, like the first one took a toll on you. You explained it in the book. It took a lot out of you and you were going through a move and you found out you were pregnant and all that. So you, when you wrote this second book, obviously, you only got to share a little bit. But what was that experience like because you're in Tony, you know, you have a special relationship. You break that down in the book as well. But I guess just give our audience an idea of what it was like working with him and why you guys decided to co write this together. So I had a lot of hesitation on co writing. So the way that Tony works is you'll get focused for an hour. And then you'll get it again in 17 days for an hour. So this book came about because that's not true series colony came about because in this book, I agreed to help with series colony cavalier because I wanted to write this book. This is what I cared about the most was the soul's journey through all of this. Not that his story isn't important. Obviously it is. And I wanted to contribute to that being made physical, hopefully lasting beyond all of us. But I had the most heart attachment to this book. So Tony flew into Dallas and sat at this very table I'm sitting at. And I put a recorder down and we talked for six or seven days for five or six hours a day and I recorded it. And then I took those recordings and started putting them into the book. And as I went, I realized like, wait, you know, like the first question that came to mind for me was he talks about getting talks about seeing his death. And so I asked him if you're in a scenario like that, are you going to, you're going to do it now that you've seen it. And he said, yes, and like I spent so many days thinking about that. That I realized probably other people are going to wonder some of these questions. So, after writing Tony's part, then it started with, can I put the Q and A and because I think other people are going to be interested. And then as we got into the Q and A, I realized that there were deeper things that other people experience or I experienced that felt like they were missing. And then I started writing some commentary to elaborate. And then in the end, it ended up a book where I have five chapters and there's Q and A and then there's also Tony's experience and it wasn't necessarily planned that way. I'm telling Tony, like your mega fans don't want to hear from me, but at least they'll know it's my chapter and they can skip it if they want to. So that's how it that's how it came together. There's stuff in there that is still playing out in Tony's life. And that was, like, some of the things he told me are so sad. And we can't talk about it. He knows who some of the people are. And I think it was probably more, more brave than people realize for him to share that. And so that was, that was a very like deep bonding experience on a soul level with Tony to. And I don't know where this is coming from, to say, you really poured his heart out in that book. And I thought it was so beautiful for him to share and it was, it was actually just a total honor to be a part of it. Wow, that's beautiful and thank you for sharing it and let it out. Let it out. It's okay. Hey, it's a safe place to do it. I don't usually do this. So you, yeah. So he sat down. So this was more of like an interview that turned into a book. Yeah, it's hard. That's how we wrote the first book too is he would talk into a recorder. And and Alara did the first part of getting from the recorder to paper. And then I would call Tony and say, you need to explain this to me more and I would record it and then I would go flesh out the chapters based on what he was saying. So we kind of had a process of writing from series colony cavalier, enough that I knew I got to get him down. I got to get him focused. And it's funny listening to the recordings when I write it because there's a lot of like shit talking between the two of us. Yeah, that's the third book. Right. Yeah. Right. I think I think I've been very moved by that book right after having a baby, you know, because it's like the soul's journey and becoming a parent is is creating a body for a soul to enter. And these ties that we have with souls through many, many lives. Probably like, it's a little deeper now that I'm having the experience of being a mom. Right. And one of the comments you made is understanding your experiences and Tony's experiences and many others like having a child can be scary, knowing that it's possible that they could be part of these programs as well. Do you navigate that now, not as a child's born. You know, a couple of things. I had moss naturally, without, you know, drugs, which I've learned that only roughly one in 10 women in the US do now. The moment right before he was born where I was in so much pain that I, I basically consented to die, which I know now sounds super dramatic because it's just labor and every mom's gone through it, but I said, I can't do this for one more second. So please just kill me, because I can't tolerate this. And I left this realm. And I actually saw, I saw a few things, I'll tell you them all, but I saw his soul, making its way through a tunnel. And I left into that tunnel and I, and I got to meet him. And he was a very old Asian man, like a sage, and he was very crafted in a martial art, like understood energy. And he was. So I, I believe that's what he was in his most recent life. And he was, he was on a mission, he was coming to this body, he was ready that and I was just a part of the process for him. In that same time, I'm asking myself, I was alone in a bathtub, by the way, and I was like, where is my health where my midwives and so I also left and went to find them, and I saw them in the kitchen. I heard them talking about this new appliance. And I heard one of them talking about her daughter and her bath. So I saw the other one five years from now with a daughter with braids and so cut to my six week visit after I've had moss. And I, I'm there with those two midwives again, and I asked them, like do you guys remember the night of his birth with something changed in the kitchen and they were like, yeah, they changed the toaster and we missed the old toaster of him. And I was like a do you have a daughter that likes to take baths and she said yes, in fact I just bought her more stuff for the bath. The other one was going to meet the parents of her current boyfriends, they were planning to get married and I got to tell her I think you're going to have a child that has braids it's coming faster than you think. So if all that's true. And I'm going to take the experience of meeting Moss's soul is true as well. So we'll see I'll keep it posted if he likes martial arts. My point in saying that is, I am just a perpetrator of his mission. I just gave him a body and so I can't protect him from things beyond my control. And every time I get scared because I do because I feel things at night or sometimes I think like he's, he's been somewhere and he's back. I just tell my remind myself of meeting his soul in that tunnel, and that he's got his own stuff to do here. And if I may add, there are so many kids songs that are like zoom zoom zoom we're going to the moon, where wouldn't you like to go to the moon and I always tell him no, you don't go to the moon. If someone asks you to go to the moon, or if you want to go out there, you say no, I, I am a psychopath. And that's what the whole magic school bus cartoon. I know. Yes. And I tell him like no, you say no and you come back and you talk to mommy about it. You, it's not fun to go to the moon and so I also try and like integrate deeper truths from, from our family lineage for him so it's not just like oh cool yeah zoom zoom let's go to the moon. So it's a little bit of trying to be really controlling and a little bit of trying to let go of all control. Yeah well it's I think you nailed it I think that's exactly all you can do because if you dwell on our just focus hyper focus on trying to protect him like that's not helping anyone you're living in a state of fear. You're going to create some sort of like insecurity around him now because he's going to wonder like what's out to get him all the time. So you, you, I think you're that's a healthy way to approach it. And whoever hasn't seen the original episode of the magic school bus, the episode one very first season. I recommend watching it even as an adult. Just disclosure of the SSP like the taking the taking the children, they go to school, and then they go from school they're taken to space. And then they come, they come back and it discloses all of them episode one. I would just recommend go watch. And is that that come out in the 80s or was it 90s. I think that had to be 90s yeah. Because there's a lot of 80s cartoons like G.I. Joe and other things. Yeah. Oh, totally. Totally. Yeah. Is there anything that you would like to share that you didn't share in the book or something you've been wanting to get off your chest is this is the time to do it now. You're ready to come and do these interviews so there's a reason behind that like is, do you have something that you would like to say or is this did we cover it. Times up. No, it just felt like time, you know, I feel like I was in a phase of learning something new which was how to be a mom and how to have a family and that I really had to like tune down other stuff so that I could turn that up for a little bit. And then you know you kind of not that I have the hang of it but you get closer to having to hang of it and it's like okay, I can. This is on it's going I can turn back up my other stuff a little bit. So, you know, I want to talk about y'all's work because I got to watch the cochochia mountains mountains documentary made and I. I loved it. And I think you guys are doing awesome work and I always want to contribute or help out. And, I, thank you, my, yeah. You know, I think I shared in our first interview ever that when I was a kid I used to look out the window and there was a blinking tower we called it blinky outside my grandparents window and I used to make them check the night sky because I was worried that someone was coming and they would say no it's just blinky saying I love you there's no there's nothing in the sky. But what I never told you because I didn't know you're into this is blinky was actually put on top of a mound. So there was a known ancient burial site on my grandparents land that we used to go out and collect artifacts from and we have this is by the way in Missouri near. So there's one main strip of mounds and then there's little speckledy ones more on the West Western border. They were right on that little specks of the mounds. And we have boxes and boxes of arrowheads and, you know, more spear like things from there but going going back to what we were saying about like the national parks and people coming in the military or, you know, private corporations. Is in the eighties they put that tower up on top on the very top of the mound. Which I think is. I don't know I don't want to speculate too much but I will say that you couldn't hike this mound and my aunt tried to take her horse up once and she was basically hanging on to the horses neck as it was going like straight up and she said her feet were dangling back by the tail. But she made it to the burial sites. So the burial sites are so steep up that you have to question like how did they get there or why would they there. And I love that you guys are talking about these things. So I want to actually just talk about that. No, that's great. And you know we were talking about this off camera about because we're going to as techno Mexico and this weekend. And you were talking about how you think that area is still alive. And that's kind of how the whole conversation started. And we I also mentioned how I think that's why they choose to put military bases and domes in these locations because they understand energy they have people working for them to tap into the stuff. And they put their facilities in these locations to harness and utilize the energies. It's pretty apparent, especially national parks and portal systems and stuff like that. But then the mound sites also like they were building these mounds in the same for the same reasons that we install a military facility, but they were using it for benevolent purposes as far as we know. And it's interesting demand connection again, like, yeah, has everything to do with the play line network. Right, the energies. Yeah, and I think I suspect those areas are actually very active, but it's easy to say that was military craft or that was just the, you know, the radio tower that they put up that was blinking it was, you know, and I, I, I still do. A little bit of research when I can about what, you know, what's going on and people and, you know, almost every member of my family has seen a UFO in Missouri. And I just think that it's all really intentional. And it made me wonder about the activity around that mount, you know, is growing up why I was so afraid of it and why I always wanted to watch the night sky and what's going on there and what happens when we tear them down. And is it good or bad. Right. Well, if you have, if there's fear surrounding it, well, that doesn't mean it's good because we fear the unknown a lot like you can have benevolent ET show up and you might be scared. Because you've never seen an ET one or Hollywood, Hollywood told you it's always programming, right? Yeah, they told you it's always evil and to you've never had anyone just show up and phase into your room like, there's a number of reasons like when I had the inner earth being show up. It startled me and I was frozen in fear, but I wasn't scared of her. I was scared because I turned around in the middle of the night and somebody was standing there, like, that's going to startle anybody. It doesn't matter who they are. Right. And if it's somebody you know, you'd be like, oh, it's just you, but then if it's somebody you don't know, then you're still going to be like, okay, what's going on, even though they might have good intentions. Yeah, so it's all interesting, but I guess we'll go ahead and start wrapping this up unless there's any last words you like to leave us with, but we also would love free to share with the audience how they can follow you and where they can get the book. Oh, yeah, the books on Amazon. Back on Instagram. I can tell you guys I don't love it. It's such a low energy. It's such a low vibe. I don't know if I'm going to stay there. I don't know if it's for me. I was off for a long time. So, my website is Jacqueline Kenner dot com. And, um, I do want to say, I, I'm not the best person to come to if you're trying to figure out your story. You know, Tony and I put a lot of effort into making very concise courses, the purple series and the recall course for people doing that. And I think that there are other people who are better at helping with that. I focus predominantly on medium work now, straight up medium, who's on the other side that's trying to get through that could be your guides as well. But if you're asking me, like, was I, I don't know, don't come to me for that. I don't want to push away like, you know, people, but I'm really here because I like you guys. I think the book is wonderful. And I like having a place to talk about the truth for whoever it resonates with. And then if you want to medium session, you know, hit me up. Well, thank you. And by the way, like, this is might be the first time I've actually talked to you where you someone hasn't come through to give me a message. Interesting. You know, for a while there, whenever we first started talking when I reached out to you, that's what happened. It was supposed to be me asking you to come on a show, it turned into a session. And then later after the conference or during the conference, someone else came through. And this is the first time we've talked where someone hasn't been knocking at the door. But for anyone who brought it up, there is someone trying to get through to your sister. Okay, that makes a lot. Yeah. So you can tell her that. I will, I will have today's her birthday too. Your sisters. Yeah. Interesting. Happy birthday. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, but I just, I just say that because of what I've experienced with you Jackie, it's the real deal. And so anyone is interested in booking a session. I encourage you to do so it's Jacqueline Jackie Kenner dot com. Yeah, Jacqueline. Jacqueline Kenner. Well, didn't it used to be connections with Jackie? Yes. And I did change. So I didn't quite change the spelling on my name, but when I got married and I changed my last name, I was like, I've been called JC for 30 years. I was like, you know what? This is a luxury I can afford. I'm just going to spill it the way it sounds. And I updated it to be spelled like Jackie. And honestly, I love it because people call me my real name now. Like, you know, somebody's not like JC or hi JC and then they'll call me that for three years because that's how they first said it in their brain. Sure. Yeah, I noticed you changed the spelling of your first. I did. Yeah. It's been awesome. It's been like, I feel like people, I feel more myself because people call me my name now. Yeah, that's great. So, but that's why I changed it when I went to change the last name. I was like, anyways, my name is Jacqueline. So they were both nicknames, but yeah, it was confusing and I remember texting Tony one time when I was making a thumbnail. And I was like, what's her name? Like, because it was, it was spelled JC I like Pierce, and then it was JC, JC Kenner, Jackie Kenner, and then, and then it changed, then I saw it spelled Jackie. And I'm like, and I was like, well, is it Jackie? Is it Pierce or Kenner? Is it JC or Jackie? I'm like, what's your name? It's funny too, because I can be an asshole, like when people change their name, and they have like a big, you know, like metamorphosis. I'm like, no, your name is important. That was the vibration given to you, you know, when you were born. And then here I am doing it. So, right. Well, that is a whole conversation I have. I think some people like to, they want to get rid of their last name because it's attached to like their family lineage, which is very inclusive and stuff, but I'm like, actually, why change it when you have the ability now that go back and heal that you can set it forward into something else. Right. Right. You don't have to run from it. Like heal that lineage, heal that ancestral timeline, you know. So, I understand why like you just want to break free from that, because it's not who you are, but maybe it is who you are, and you can like, it really, like crown the name power over you, or do you have power over the name, you know, and I'm not trying to say like, like, I understand why you changed your name. I, you can make fun of me. I didn't care. I changed my name, but I get called Jackie now and it's amazing. And I feel like after 30 years of torture and being like, it's actually, or this was my favorite. How do you spell your name? And I go J A C I and people would literally go. Are you sure? Yes. That's how my grandma chose to spell Jackie. So it's been amazing and I love it, and I, I, you know, whatever you want to change your name, do it. We'll call you whatever you want. Sure. No, don't call you late for supper is my granddad would say. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. This has been a lot of fun and this was really great guys go check out our website book a session with her read project star maker if you haven't yet it's fantastic. Yes. And we will see you guys in New Mexico as Techno Mexico Sunfire Festival come out if you're close. It's not too late. But buy a ticket, drive out and hang out with us for the weekend. We're going to have a lot of fun. So we hope to see you there sunfirefest.com that link is below in the description. Good night. We love you and have a great evening. A lot of this information has been kept sort of locked up or kept undercover because of the Asian of the Smithsonian group. They back in the 1880s. What actually happens is it's not taken to preserve it. It's taken to hide it. And about four and a half miles from here, a cave was discovered. It's not really a cave as such. It's a man made cavern system. How the hell do you get that much granite? Does the granite on the base of that damn near ways with the dirt on the top of it ways? Nobody knows what's underneath it. I've heard of theory that there's a spaceship underneath it. There was copper and steel plated artifacts that depicted men in armor with shields and helmets including right here at coke. There were reported two giants with double rows of teeth and six fingers and six toes. Extra vertebrae or extra ribs in their cage. These are different races of people. They're not just regular humans. Definitely is a stone burial chamber and there's a large body in it bones. I would say 15 to 16 feet. I saw different types of extraterrestrials here with the Native Americans. The peoples of the coke amounts actually saw the bird man as some kind of cosmic being and not a humanoid being. So this bird man was the last and the pure and the true of his kind. So yes, there were rituals or there were dances and celebrations and people would dress up like the galactic beings that were visiting. But there were actual physical galactic beings that were visiting. [Music] [Music] Looking for excitement? Chumba Casino is here. Play anytime, play anywhere. Play on the train, play at the store, play at home, play when you're bored. Play today for your chance to win and get daily bonuses when you log in. So what are you waiting for? Don't delay. Chumba Casino is free to play. Experience social gameplay like never before. Go to Chumba Casino right now to play hundreds of games, including online slots. Bingo, slingo, and more. Live the Chumba Life at ChumbaCasino.com. BTW Group, no purchase necessary. Avoid prohibited by law. See terms and conditions, 18 plus. 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