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EP 229 - John W. Warner IV: Disclosure Agendas & Secret Space Programs - UFO Disclosure Or Cover Up?

Originally aired on 1/26/23
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John W. Warner IV
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I'm an author and historian with a passion for hidden history, revisionist historical narratives, vintage cars, and the unsung heroes of WWII. All profits from my books go to wounded veteran charities.
I have been a skeptic about historical records, including textbooks, for over thirty years––a perspective that's been well-honed. My father, 5-term US Senator John W. Warner III (R-VA), was also Secretary of the Navy and Chairman of the Armed Services Committee (KBE) during the Vietnam War. My mother, Catherine Mellon, daughter of philanthropist Paul Mellon (OSS, KBE), was an activist who protested that war. She taught me to question authority, think independently, and speak my mind.
Thanks to my family and my own dogged persistence, I have been behind the scenes with some of the most powerful and influential people in U.S. and global history. In my historical novels, Little Anton and the forthcoming sequel, Lion, Tiger, Bear (Sept. 1), I disclose the shocking hidden history possibilities of advanced technology and the covert schemes of the Fascist power elite.
When I'm not doing research, I'm also a true "gear head," having spent most of my adult life quenching a thirst for knowledge about race cars––first as a professional Grand Am and American Le Mans Series racing driver (a "middle of the pack man" behind the wheel of a Corvette GT1 and a Porsche GT3R), and later researching the history of the sport for my NASCAR DVD series and my Little Anton book series. In fact, I started writing during a two-year-long recovery from a racing accident. My long recovery gave me time to go deep into research. That research continues and is bringing forth some pretty astonishing and disturbing truths, which I post regularly on my website.

Duration:: 1h 46m
Broadcast on:: 03 Aug 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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No, you know, there's five guys smoking, drinking beer and coffee and much of anything is answering a phone saying, well, we'll put you on to the, you know, U-A-I-T-P-Z-W. Right. I mean, they just-- It's so obvious. Right, it is. And they just rebranded, basically. Right. How, like, how they said MKUltra ended in the '70s. Oh, yeah. Oh, it just lasted like five years. And now it's project psychedelic mushroom, you know. Oh, it didn't keep continuing on just under a different name or secretly at all, right? Well, let me do a brief little intro here. And then we'll just jump into this. And now we'll have some fun. So welcome back, guys. Don't forget to grab a ticket to our conference in Grafton, Illinois, May 22nd through to 25th. It's going to be a lot of fun. JourneyToTruthCon.com. You can get those tickets below $344 for the four-day pass. Meal plan is $250, optional if you want that. And a live stream ticket is $99. That does include a replay for six months. Come hang out with us. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're really looking forward to seeing you guys out there. On-site lodging is sold out, but there is camping on-site available nearby hotels and Airbnb. So we look forward to that. Tonight, we are joined by John Warner, the fourth. Welcome back to the show, John. We had you on about a year, two years ago. About one year ago. About one year ago. And we got into a lot of stuff. You just recently wrote an open letter to the Elizondo Chris Melon Task Force. And he kind of just laid it all out and said it like it is. So I really like to break down that letter and go through that and kind of let people know what's really going on with disclosure right now. And because obviously, I think it's just an extension of the cover up. And you can get into some of that. But before that, if you want, maybe you can let our audience know who might not have seen the first episode, kind of who you are and how you got into this briefly. Oh, man. Please go to Dark Journalist and watch my four episodes. That will explain everything. But basically, I'll start with my grandfather. I'm from the Melon banking family. Paul Melon, my grandfather, was an OSS army officer in World War II. He worked with Alan Dulles on Project Paperclip. And he worked with Under General Patton. And my father was Secretary of the Navy and a US Senator for 30 years. And I grew up traveling the world with my father, carrying his briefcase and sat in on some interesting meetings with the Navy and other branches and got to know a lot of politicians and presidents and queens and met a lot of royalty and a lot of nefarious people as well. And right around 1993 or 4, I showed the majestic 12 files to my father. I was sort of a UFO enthusiast at the time, but not really active doing much, except maybe reading a book or two a year. But somebody sent those to me back when I was a racing driver. I was in California and I raced with this guy. He's like, hey, my father worked for Lucky Martin and some others. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Aren't they building UFOs? I don't know where I got that, but I saw it somewhere. And he said, yeah, my father's involved. Let me send you some documents. And those were the majestic 12 files. And they were fairly new back in '93. And I was 31 years old. So I was pretty naive. And I looked at them and I said, oh, I'm going to show them to dad. And my friend said, you should. Because he's on chairman in the armed services committee. He sat on the select Intel committee. And boy, he and I went back and forth. And he cracked on them eventually. So that's a brief summary of where I got into this. I got to know Stephen Greer 20 years ago and some other people. He had mentioned my father and a few one of his podcasts or two. Because he's a Virginian as well. So I kind of fell into all this. I'm a historian and a writer. And I'm a World War II historian. But I understand all history. And it started to make more and more sense to me. Low and behold. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And if you guys missed the first episode, I highly recommend checking that out if you want a little more background on what he was involved in and what he saw growing up. But as far as your open letter that you wrote, let's just jump right in, head first, and just kind of-- Yeah, I have a question. Sure. So for your conference in May, is it May? Yes. So to CIA and NSA and National Reconnaissance Office people, do they get a discount? No, they're going up. They have to pay more, a lot more. No, they're showing up. They showed up last year, and we actually-- Well, potentially. They were, at least, from a podcast, if not also-- Well, but I think they were low level agents is what I personally think. It's-- They were thinking they indicated very strongly. They interviewed me, and in the interview, at the conference, they interviewed me, and they asked me, do Feds ever show up at these type of events? Do you guys ever play the game spot to Feds? What do you do if you see somebody here is like infiltrating? Like, they were asking me all these weird questions, and I was just like, OK, I see what's going on here. But-- Did they not seem to work for them? No, they don't need a discount. They don't need a discount. They just kind of sneak in. Well, how they got in the first place is they posed as a media company that was interested in filming like a documentary, and we just believed them. We didn't do enough vetting, and we were just like, oh, cool. You know, and we let them, and as a media, there's two guys, and then they were just acting so weird, and we were just getting these off vibes the whole time, and we're like, something's not right with these guys, and they were asking these weird questions constantly, and then what he just said. And then lo and behold, we find out there are two guys from this anti-conspiracy podcast called QAnon Anonymous, and they did a whole episode on our conference. Like, I hate peace. I hate just bashing it and laughing at it, and... Right. But we kicked them out after a couple of days. That means you're over the target. You're getting flack. Right, right, right. I'm like a beast 17. Right, but we kicked them out like halfway through, because they were like filming right in people's faces and just acting properly. Well, just getting a number of complaints about them, yeah. Everyone was complaining of them, yeah. But they looked out that those type of agencies do show up at conferences, yeah. It's interesting, because some of my retired spook friends, you know, like O&I, you know, they asked me, you know, they said, "Are you going to this thing in the Midwest?" And I said, last year I said, "No, but maybe the next one." So they knew about it, and these guys are retired and they don't, you know, they're not active, like you and I are, you guys, but they heard about it. Interesting. Interesting. So I found that interesting. I was like, "How'd you hear about it?" And they're like, "Umm, you know, somebody told us and we got probably, they said some of their, you know, people, once intel, always intel." Right, yeah. No, that's good to know. And I suspected something like that would happen. This year is not strictly a secret space program, so we're not drawing as much attention, I don't think, but regardless. But there's still a lot of, I mean, well, Tony's returning still, and then there's still a lot of other info that is, you know, they don't really want people believing, you know? Right, it was just so. Well, John, help paint a picture for us. What's going on right now with this disclosure? Holy shit. You're just as good as mine. You know, everyone, I tracked my cousin Chris Mellon, and I tracked Elizondo, and I tracked Gary Nolan, and all these people, you know, Chris Mellon was at the Barcelona Conference. He talked to Linda Motenhaal about nothing really, not much, you know, I'm a big fan of Linda's. I've been following her since my mother gave me her book, and like when I was 18, you know, alien harvest. She's been around a long time, yeah. I've heard from certain people that she was warned not to cover the human mutilations in her books. Really? Just the animal ones. So that's what I heard, you know, I don't know why, but why, you know, I understand, you know, a lot of the old guard, Richard Dolan and others, they're sort of the old guard. They've been around since the '90s, and Linda of the '80s, early '80s. So yeah, yeah. Neither go into this other side. I mean, I understand that there needs to be some cooperation, but so far they've only done lies by omission, and shell games, and nothing burgers, and, you know, they're not being, other than bringing the topic alive, for the last five years, or six years. You know, since 2017, the Nimitz thing, you know, they've done precious little, and it's all pot air and run around, and they talk, and they have softball hosts, and people interview them, and it's softball questions. I mean, come on, Gary Nolan and Tucker Carlson got up there and did it in every year, and they both giggled about the subject. UFO issue, I mean, that's just childish. They're five-year-olds, you know, and so, why, you know, the senior people in the disclosure movement are crossing the aisle and shaking hands, what are they expect to get out of that? More attention, you know, it's the wrong move, you know? And they're never gonna give an interview to someone who's hardball. - Right, right. - I mean, can you imagine? - Imagine. Greer or Daniel List, or you guys, or anybody out there, Carrie Cassidy, oh shit, oh, they're not gonna give an interview, they're not gonna put themselves in that position. Chris will never mention me because that would be giving me validation. But he can't, I know he's read this letter. - No, yeah. - Yeah, let's get inside. - I said, on a part of a physics forum, I'm not a physicist, but I understand basic physics and try to understand nonlinear physics. Heisenberg, Gerlach, Hahn, Plank, you know, these German guys who worked on nonlinear stuff in the back of their day. - Hey, everyone, it is Ryan C. Kress here, ready to heat up your summer vacation? Get ready, things are about to get sizzling at Chumba Casino. Your summer getting a whole lot hotter with a special daily login bonus waiting just for you. 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And, you know, it's just, I kept it reasonable because if you start bending about, you know, knock off in a drink of reptilians and all this stuff, man, you're just gonna get thrown in the loony bin. There's the bin of people in the loony bin and then there's everyone else arguing that it's not true. And this brings up a point that I'm sure people understand, but I'm gonna reiterate it. And that is what you guys cover is the minority of the disclosure movement, the rest of the people and, you know, people like these scientists and everybody, they are grasping with all their strength, what's left of their old reality in that hardwood floor that I always keep talking about. They're putting more planks, you know, they're positive, you reinforce it 'cause, you know, here I come with an axe and they don't like that at all. And I can gauge, like Twitter's mostly useless, but there's a few people on there that are interesting. And you can gauge interest, if you do something in the Secret Space Program, you get like five likes, what you know. And then you post something softball that's just either funny or, you know, in agreement with the UAP Task Force agenda. And it's like, oh, you know, yeah. And so you can gauge that. I mean, Twitter is not friendly towards the SSP narrative. - No, I noticed that too, the kind of like surface level UFO, nuts and bolts UFO community is, it's huge on Twitter. - Joe Biden. - Joe Biden. - Joe Biden, Joe Biden. - Right, right. - Exactly. - And everybody's retweeting Lou Alizondo and a million times. - Chris Mellon and, you know. - They have algorithms and bots and AI probably to do that. - Right, right. - 'Cause one guy told me a long time ago, he said, "You realize the argument you're having with this person, they're really just an algorithm or a bot." - Right, yeah. - Yeah. - Exactly. - No wonder they can't spell. - Yeah, exactly. - That's very true. - That's very true. - No. - There's a lot about this. - So, I'm sure you're aware of the $858 billion defense bill that was just signed by Biden recently that kind of provided whistleblower protection and it kind of gave the military the green light to start disclosing stuff. And Chris Mellon actually, you know, chined in on this and he said, "This is arguably the biggest news that mainstream media won't cover." And I just wanted to get your thoughts on that because within that bill, also mandates now it's finally official that all military personnel have to get vaccinated. And that wasn't official until Biden signed that. So that's interesting too, they snuck that in. - Yeah, it's a common political tactic on the Hill senators and congressmen working with the Pentagon and everything. They slip things into bills. If they pass a bill, there's all kinds of stuff in there. You gotta go really dig it out, it's hard to find sometimes. My dad says there's stuff, he used to say, you know, there was stuff in there you'll never find. 'Cause it's not pervy for the public. It's the classified sections of bill 126. You know, and so at one hand, Chris Mellon says, and everyone else said, you know, these idiot congressmen and senators, we're all bought and paid for folks. I mean, my dad told me that long ago, corporations and big banks, banking families of mine, they own politicians, they do. - Oh yeah. - You know, my dad had a lot of help getting elected. There's no secret. So, you know, from my mother's side of the family. So, you know, it's, you're not gonna get to see the good parts of certain bills. And the other thing is, you know, it's this bill that passed, I think they slipped in there. Yes, there's whistleblower protection. I'd like to read the fine print on that. - Yeah. - And good luck finding it, but I'd like to get a copy of it. And then they, I think they slipped in, maybe slipped in some legislation, or they're preparing to, is to crack down on civilian researchers and make it a crime. Now that's fascist. - Make what a crime, exactly. - Civilian UFO research, non-racial research. - How do you, how do you police that? - Well, that's a good question, you really can't. But my guess is they're trying to get rid of people like Greer and Smuggers that have come forward with a lot of stuff. And, you know, they're trying to, moving forward, they wanna own the narrative. - Right, it's all about controlling the narrative. - Right, so back in the '70s and '60s, when I was growing up, the Project Blue Book people and others on Capitol Hill, they cobbled together a program like Project Blue Book that gives the idea that they're, they're looking into these UFO sightings and cases and abductions and everything. But they're really, they're going around at people, threatening people, covering it up, paying them off. - They're covering it up. - This has happened. This is just an huge expansion of that idea. But they're getting Congress more involved because more and more people are seeing things in the sky and, you know, they hear about abductions and people are getting scared. And, you know, I've had certain people around town, you know, what do you make of this? I'm like, wow, you don't wanna know for me because it looks pretty dark on a lot of areas. And they're like, you know, oh no, oh no. I thought aliens were friendly. And I said, well, most of them are probably, but not all. And the ones that are working with the Pentagon and the corporations, they're definitely not the nice ones. - Yeah. - To my knowledge, maybe there are some now. Whatever impetus is pushing this UAP task force and Chris Melon and everybody, all those people, Travis Taylor, Ross Cooltard, you know, all of a sudden he's a UFO expert, you know, why, it's been on 60 minutes and he's a journalist. - Well, he doesn't have that shit. Where was he 30 years ago? Nowhere. - Right. - But all these are approved people. - Tom DeLong is an expert. - Right. - Yeah, like come on. - And what's his name, Chris Geratano? - Oh yeah. - So he produced a few documentaries, including the Montauk Chronicles, but he, I was talking with him privately one time and he told me that they wanted him to do a UFO program and they said, hey, you wanna do this show and play a UFO expert. And he was like, but I'm not a UFO expert. Like it doesn't matter. Like, but this was like travel channel or something like that. And they just, they don't care. They just appoint people who would be a good fit for that role. - Right, right. It's like any corporation they need to hire somebody to make the board look good. - Right. - But they don't know anything about the corporation or the company. But we have this scientist, Travis Taylor. You know, he's had history channel exposure. He's fairly well known. You know, I like Travis Taylor. I think he's funny and he's down to earth and nuts and bolts like me. But man, either he's very naive about what he's getting into or they're just paying him enough money that he doesn't care. - Right, right. - Well, and you know what's happening is they're trying to erase the UFO history that we do have, that we do know by giving us these nothing burgers and these reports to kind of lead you nowhere. And so they can, like you said, maintain control of that narrative. And then when we do get old information released, like some of the JFK information, how he was in talks with MJ-12 and how he was briefed on the UFO program and the CIA was involved in killing him and his assassination that no one blinks. No one bats an eye. Like it seems like it just gets swept under the rug and we just keep going on. - Because the Pentagon and Congress and the UAP Task Force people, they know who their audience is and it's not us. - No. - It's a general public. And sadly, the general public is ignorant and uninterested. - Right. - And they have more pressing worries in life, work job, money, family issues, health, than to deal with a UFO issue, which is just most people think is still, still a joke. - Except Pan realized is the technology involved in all this stuff is being, like we have it and it's being hidden from us because it would destroy the gas cold and oil and the money system that we have, all the bullshit systems we have that's keeping us enslaved, it would completely make those obsolete so they can't ever let, they're like, oh, we can never let this get out or let people believe that, you know, understand that we are hiding this, that we do have this is the last thing they want. So like the threat, like we can talk about this all day and they don't care, but is the second, too many people start paying attention and be like, wait a second, there's something here. That's the threat is, it's all psychological, it's all mental. They don't want people believing. They want people at most thinking, oh yeah, there's stuff going on the skies but we don't know what they are or most of us just ours, but it's secret military and whatever, like, but they'll keep it at that surface level, keep it at arm's length, keep it, keep the questions going, kick it in these cars. - They don't have to work very hard. - No, they really don't. - Chris Millen just has to do one thing a month and then he's back on his yacht and he's at the Rolling Rock Club and having a martini. It's like, I don't hate the guy. I still, he has a wonderful family. He's a nice guy. I'd go up there and have a martini with him and chit chat about yachts, but the last time I saw him at our family reunion, I brought up the UFO issue and he was furious. He said, you do not talk shop, shop in a family reunion. - Right, yeah. - Now, next time I go, I'm gonna roll up there in a patent tank with little horns and huge banners. ♪ And I'm gonna roll up ♪ - Yeah, thank you. - Yeah, but you know, it's like most people think, you know, in these elite committee of 300 families, whatever you wanna call them in America, they think, oh, they're all in on it. No, that's a 10%, 5%, 10% of those families. - You're coupling it. You're talking about a couple thousand people, maybe, at most, who works like Chris Millen in the deep state in military intelligence, who know a thing or two, you know, at whatever level they're at, you know, clearances are many. - Mm-hmm. - You know, oh, you don't have cosmic aid plus clearance? You don't know shit. Yeah, you know that UFOs were back engineering shit, but that's it. - Right. - That's it. - That's it. - And so, trust me, if these families knew the truth, and the ones that do probably are hiding and very scared, I know I have a cousin, she understands some of this stuff, but boy, she's just like, man, my life is complicated enough. - Well, there's blackmail involved, too, and a lot of people-- - Right, yeah, there's all kinds of, right. - So, what are your thoughts on the CIA's involvement in this coverup, and with the SSP? I think the CIA actually helps the SSP operate, and there's a lot of dis-info agents that work for the CIA that kind of maintain that narrative. I'd like to get your opinion on that. - Well, I could tell you, let's do the history of it. So, the OSS was in World War II, under Wild Bill Donovan. That's where my grandfather worked. And so, you know, and Dulles were on the cutting edge, hiring ex-Nazis and all their scientists, and they knew all about the UFO file, the Foo Fighters back in World War II. That's where the ban got their name, folks, is World War II. All sides of the conflict were seeing these bright balls of plasma and disks. You know, they were craning disks. I've been told in the Navy, one guy, an officer, retired, told me they were craning spaceships out of the water in the Coral Sea in 1944, while the Japanese are bombing and strafing them. - Hey, it is Ryan Seacrest. There's something so thrilling about playing Chumba Casino. Maybe it's the simple reminder that with a little luck, anything is possible. Chumba Casino.com has hundreds of social casino-style games to choose from with new game releases each week. Play for free anytime, anywhere, for your chance to redeem some serious prizes. Join me in the fun. Sign up now at Chumba Casino.com. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group. Void where prohibited by law. 18-plus terms and conditions apply. - So, I mean, that's how important this is. The US Navy has always had a lion's share of the technology. You can go back to the Civil War, the Iron Clads, CSS Virginia and the monitor, they went very high tech for the day. So, the Navy has always had high tech. Now, the OSS turned into the CIA. Now, they had mystics like my grandfather and Carl Jung and some others to help understand the metaphysical side of this UFO issue because they realized the Germans were way ahead and everything. So, the CIA was created in '47, I believe. - Yeah. - Same time as my mom. - The NSA was created in right around 52 for the express purpose of covering nothing but the UFO related issues. And that's where people could say it on the CIA, no, the NSA was created on purpose to deal with this issue. The CIA does other stuff, you know, overthrow foreign countries and whatever. It's called Dougery Everywhere, but no, the NSA. And I've got my steps on works for the NSA. Now, he won't hear anything I have to say about it, but you know, I'm like, go to the lower levels and work with the tall gray guys. Yeah, your pay will go up and your clearance will go up. And he's like, no, I don't believe that. So, I mean, people working at the NSA with clearance, he's got a high clearance. He doesn't believe in either shit. - Yeah. - What do you think is going on with my cousin and everything? He's like, I don't know. Any laughs, he doesn't care. You know, so it's people on the inside, the Pentagon and the CIA, the NSA, the NRO, the Marines, the Air Force, Navy, Space Force, who don't believe in any of this shit? Because they're not given a clearance. - Right. - Oh, they are all in cahoots. It's like, no, it's an elite within, you know, a minority elite within every branch of the service or the intel. The same thing with Congress. You know, there are a few senators who are briefed on a modicum of the UFO file like my dad and others, but you know, case in point, there was a Congressman, I forget his name, who in the last six months did an interview with someone. And the Congressman said, I can't remember his name. And he said, I went to my fellow Congressman and Senators and said, look, this UAP issue is serious. They're in our airspace. This could be, you know, we should do this. And a senior senator put his arm around him and said, Joe or whoever, we have more important things to worry about. - Come help us with Bill 162 on the, you know, corn crop. - More important than unknown craft that are operating in ways we can't, aren't supposed to be possible in our airspace. Something's more important than that. - Right, right. - It's the biggest issue in human history. - Right. - Because we get UFOs and aliens, it's like, no, it's our entire history. If you go back, like I studied the megalithic buildings, I've been doing this all my life. And you realize Atlantis and high civilizations before the Great Flood, obvious. Gobleki Tepi in Turkey, you know, that 12,500 years old. That suggests organized farming, government, spirituality, all organized, who taught them that. You know, the narrative was we were in spears and buckskins. Yeah, it's nonsense. And so when you, history is a Swiss cheese, it's mostly lies. Napoleon said, "Set of lies agreed upon by the winners of wars." Right. But when you put ET involvement, both positive and negative and everything in between, and strip mining, the Nazca lines, the megaliths, the pyramids, the Yucatan, they're finding more and more cities every day. It's incredible. You go down there and you go to the temple of the sun in Mexico and everything. I mean, your jaw just hits the floor if you understand the history. But once you plug ET in it, most of those Swiss cheese holes go away. You've got it arguing with, you know, even alternative historians don't wanna go there. They're like, "Oh, no, there's some ETs a little bit." But no, no, it's mostly humans. I said, "Well, I agree." The human beings did that, but there's been many races of human beings, some smarter than the others. You know, there were high civilizations going on before the great flood, living not too far away from the Androthal tribes and left them alone. - Right. - You know, or primitive Americans, primitive humans, they left them alone. Like we used to do. And now in the Amazon, the Yana Momo and the other tribes like that, they all have cell phones and t-shirts now. And turn it on. - Right. - Last indigenous tribes who had the spirit, they want all that spirituality and shamanistic, you know, higher realm, a contact, which they've been doing forever to end. Now, they tried that with the Native American tribes, but they never really did it. At least, the very least, the genocide stopped and we gave them reservations. Now, some tribes were wiped off the map, but this war against the indigenous spirituality has been going on for, I don't know, you tell me since the early years, war of the 1500s. - Right. - That was the Lutherans, the Hermitic, Hermiticists, Lutheras against the church of Rome. Yeah, I wonder, yeah, they knew they were Gnostics. - Right, exactly. And going back to like the people involved in these programs that just don't believe it exists because they work for the program and if it existed, they would know. - I would know. - I would know. - I would know. - I would know if that was the real. - But, you know, you just maybe forget what I was going to say. - So, it's what's going on now. I think more of the same. I mean, look at all these acronyms. You can take a screenshot of the list of acronyms from my letter, put it up on, you know. I mean, they're creating a new one. My own eye guy says, "Oh, there's a new one coming." And I said, "Well, I'm getting bored." You know, there's so many of them. And believe me, they don't go away just because the Pentagon and the arrow, all domain, anomaly resolution office. You know, what are they resolving? Not much. How cold the beer is. Well, 42 degrees, that's not cold enough. So, they're, you know, they're creating a, they don't have websites. All they do is the Pentagon website issues a briefing under the heading of Arrow or UAP Task Force. There's no information, no websites. - Right. - And maybe there will, but as of right now, there's none. - That's the interesting thing too. And I remember what I was going to say. - These people are, you know, they're just completely ignorant to what's really going on under being used as pawns and an agenda that you're not even aware of. - Yeah, most Pentagon, you know, people, you know, they might've been right in on a tiny bit. And it's like, the rest is above your pay grade. - It's neat to know. They're told what they need to know to do their job. And that's it. It's compartmentalized. That's what people need to understand. - And my dad taught me that back when I was in college. He's like, "You need to understand how the military, "that works." You know, and I was asking, "Are we UFO, "what's going on with this UFO issue?" I don't know, there was a sighting in Virginia at the back of the '80s. And he said, "Look, you need to understand "that the people in those departments, "sometimes they're not listed. "And there's all kinds of security levels "that you're never going to get any information "from anyone." He always, in the early days, he tried to dissuade me. You know, like the majestic 12 files. He's like, "Don't go down that road. "You're not going to find it, just leave it alone." I said, "No way, I'm going to leave this alone." Why? Yeah. Well, back in the '90s, it was still dangerous to go digging. It really was. I didn't know that. But had I been in touch with Greer in '93, he would have told me to be damn careful of what you do. Now, he's still alive, so somebody's still alive. Right, and... Well, there's... So you were talking about there's no websites, right? For these... Nothing. Not the last time I checked was last week. Well, this is how the secrecy... This is how they maintain the secrecy of for a lot of these programs, these clandestine black budget shadow government programs. There is no paper trail intentionally. It's the same as, like, think of the CIA when they get, when they're on mission, right? When they receive an order on a throwaway cell phone, they get the order, the cell phone goes into the river, they carry out their task. The same thing's going on with the secret space program. In my opinion, I don't think there is a large paper trail for any of it, for that reason. So even if somebody were to dig, or things were to be exposed, there's nothing there. There's no documents. And it's been like that for a couple hundred years, they were smart enough, intelligent services. And so, you know, this gets to a point that I made in another interview, and I'll list it here, is, you know, a lot of people on Twitter and a lot of my friends and other, all kinds of people, they say, "Where showed me something? Show me some proof of all this crap, this UFO issue, and the military being involved." And, you know, they know something's going on 'cause there's the UAP thing. But, you know, I think most people believe, and I think it's true that tic-tacs and other things, those are Lockheed Martin and Grumman, you know, General Dynamics, those are our stuff because they need plausible deniability to fall back on. And so, I began thinking, you know, what, there's the mass of circumstantial deficits, the millions of civilian pilot, literally millions of reports, military reports. You know, Chris Mellon makes a big deal of that. Oh, damn, you Pentagon, you know, you need to give military people more leeway to, you know, it's all about hardware and sightings. That's not important. It's the politics, it's the dirty deals. It's, you know, what deals have we made with ET? Well, you know, we've all heard from the SSP folks, you know, that could be what they're hiding. They don't care about sightings, or I saw a little gray alien in my closet. They can give us shit. You know, what they're doing is saying, yeah, you know, eventually, within 10 years, they'll be like, sure, you know, we work with some ETs, they're very nice people. You know, we're working on some projects, you know, we'll get back to you on, you know, someday, and have a nice day, go back to work, go back to school and shut the fuck up. (laughing) Stop bothering us and go talk to the UAP task force, which will give your run around to all the other departments. And so that's what they're doing. It's obvious to anyone in D.C. who understands intelligence in the military. I mean, all my friends, you know, they'd laugh, you know, they're doing this again. Like I said, didn't they do that in 1976? And they're like, yeah, but no one remembers. They're doing the same tactics over and over. That's going to come back to bite them, I think. So proof. And I gave this a lot of thought and I said to someone, I said, look, I don't know anything 100% sure. I can give me probabilities, but I don't know. But let me tell you something. The human race is very creative. We're mostly good people. We're loving and, you know, there's a few bad apples, you know, duality, you know, what are you going to do? However, if you look at the long, if you look at the big picture of history, what never changes? Now, with all this creativity and, you know, oh, yeah, there's some minor changes, you know, civil rights, women's lib, you know, these are positive things that happen in little changes, but the fundamentals of history never, ever change. Number one, the elite few rule over the many. These royals and other people and rich families like mine and, you know, powerful people, they rule a secret. There's no, I studied it not only it's a Sunday for decades, there's no other explanation. They rule. So that's number one. Number two, slavery. It's been with us since the get-go, since the Great Flood anyway. And there are accounts of Atlantis that say, well, the regressive sons of Bilal, you know, started making chimeras and genetic modifications to make slaves. That's very selfish and service to self, you know, and kind of, you know, centaurs and, you know, bullheaded men, you know, these kinds of things that are probably going on in the programs, not in space, it's not a big deal. And so slavery never goes away. You've got debt slavery, you've got sexual slavery, you've got human trafficking, that never goes away. You go to a market in the Middle East and a warehouse in the desert, you can buy anything you want, including a used UFO probably, if you have enough money. Yeah. Somebody told me that you could buy a low-level spacecraft from the Russians or somebody for two million bucks. Wow, really? In the rich people world, that's a bargain. Yeah. Now, it may only go to the moon and the solar system. I don't know how you get permissions to leave the atmosphere or whatever, but you can use it in the earth's atmosphere. You can go to China from Russia in two minutes. Boom. So, you know, these are the kind of weird things that are going on, most likely. So, slavery number two, number three, always had religions. New ones crop up every day, you know, I'm sorry for people who put their eggs in one basket with religion, but, you know, it's obvious. That's been our biggest mind control vehicle since the Great Flood, you know, spirituality be damned, narcissism be damned, you know. Yeah, there were the Templars and the Two Tons and the Cathars and the Gnostics who knew better, but everyone else, you know, religion. So, that never changes. Even if the Vatican says, "Oh, we love ET. "We're gonna make them Catholics and everything." That's all the bullshit. That's, you know, number three, that never changes, no matter what people do. Now, religion, you know, in Europe, it's falling off. You know, people are losing faith. They're tired of the lies, you know, with everything. And so, that's a big one. And I should write these down 'cause I forget 'em, but the other big one is, you know, money, money is slavery. I don't care if you're a Koch brother, billionaire. I know these guys, you know, they, I have freedom. You don't have real freedom. Yeah, you get a private jet and a yacht and whatever. You can give millions away and get political favors, but you're still a slave. You're a slave 'cause there's always somebody above you. And even the queen of England probably has somebody, you know, I probably know who, you know, leaning on her before she died. And now, you know, you got King Charles, you know, a dumber monarch, I know not. And try to use that money to like actually free humanity or do things that will like make the system obsolete, like build free energy devices, and build a craft, you know, like do these. Well, they do in secret for themselves. Right, right. But you try to use your wealth to do these things. You get, you will get shut down immediately by the system because the money is, it's still within the system and controlled by the central government. You have to be on the approved list. Right. And very few people are. Right. Just because you have a lot of money like Bezos or the Facebook kid or even Musk, boy, do I get shit when I attack Musk on Twitter. It's nothing but an Elon Musk love fest, you know, wine love fest. But, you know, he's a military contractor. I was right about that. Is there somebody there? Is there somebody there with you? Yeah, my wife is so. Okay. I just saw someone walk by. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's not an interdimensional. It might be like, oh. It might be like, oh. Right. But you need to earn our con. Yeah, they're usually hanging out at my liquor closet. But it was real like a shadow figure. I was like, whoa, what was that? A shadow being, you know, they're all like one. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt you. So how? Go ahead. I don't know. I lost my friend of thought. But the fundamentals of history never took. And then the last one is war and weapons development. Boy, that's what got me into history in the first place. All these wars. I wanted to know all about the weapons and the politics and the Napoleonic war and everything. When I was in high school and college. And it's like, wow, history is just going from one war to another. Yeah, you know, this ship sailed around the world and this king did this for, you know, whatever. But it's mostly wars. Right. And so these fundamentals of history never change. And I asked my friend, you know, I said, who has the godlike omnipotent power to keep this machine going with all this stuff and no change of those fundamentals? No, that's got to be UT. Because these round tables of royals and politicians and big rich people, you know, they don't get long. They fight like cats and dogs. I know that my grandfather was on the CFR and the Jason Society. I think the trilateral, but I'm trying to figure that out. I think he was in the cosmos club in Washington, DC. I mean, these people don't get along. Yes, they let nations starve. You know, let's just let that African nation starve this year and then we'll come in and cross in the world wildlife fund and we'll give them some money in five years when half the population is dead. Right. Right. But they don't get along. Right. I think that. The Koch brothers are on these, all these big foundations and they were like, join us, you know, this foundation. I said, no, it's not boring. I've been on a board before. I'm not going to do that. It's the person with the most money on the board gets their say, they're in charge. And so I said, no, it's corrupt. No, no, no, no, but you know, they, I said, did they argue a lot? And they're like, yeah, I said, no, I've had enough of that. It doesn't get anything done. Of course I didn't. Well, there's like the warring families and conflict within the families and within those realms like you're talking about, but they do get together in those meetings because they ultimately are working together, even though they dislike each other. They have to. Right. They understand they're still working for that. Like they can possibly by working together, accelerate that One World Order agenda. So they just kind of, you know, make do with it, even though they don't really like the other, the opposing. Oh, and there, there's that the rumors of the famous yearly meeting in England. I forget what city where it is, where it's half E.T half human and maybe some inner earth folks for color. And, you know, and they get together and they're like, all right, this is it. And that goes down the chain of command. So they have to get along. It's like any other kind of board or anything on a corporation or so. You got to get along at the end of the day. You may argue about certain points and things like that. But at the end of the day, when somebody at the top is in order, well, that's that. Now there's some wiggle Roman negotiations. You know, a lot of E.T. races, they love to negotiate and contracts are big. That's where we get contract law and the contracts and corporations. We learned it from them. And that's big out in the universe. - Yeah. - You sign a contract, you're beholden to it. Better not break it. Because that's a universal law. And of course you can get around, you can bend universal law. And they break it, you know, Penny Bradley says they break it all the time, certain E.T. groups. Because everyone has an agenda and that makes sense. - Right. - I admit these wonderful E.T's and they're blue and they sent out the flower of life. And, you know, they gave me a crystal and everything was love and light. And so, and so, okay, well, you know, probably, but do they have a hidden agenda? You know, everyone's like, I know they're wonderful people. You don't, you've got to meet them. And it's like, I'd meet them, but I use the law of discernment, which is a permit law. And, you know, they might be 97% benevolent. And they like us and, you know, we like you guys. But we want to steal all your orchids from the Amazon and leave you none. Yeah, it's something like that. You know, it's kind of like, not everyone's, you know, 100% benevolent. And same, you know, yin and yang, you know, there's a little bit of light in the dark. You know, you take the yin and yang symbol, black and white. If you spin it fast, what color do you get? - Gray. - Gray. - Yeah. - There you go. - Everything is lighter gray or darker gray. People like simple, black and white answers, and there's none. - Right. - There's a whole issue. - It's, everything is gray. Yes, some people wear very, very light gray hats. You know, I presume Chris Mellon is sort of a medium gray, a little dark, you know, and I'm a lighter gray hat. But I mean, no one's a saint, no one's a savior. It's just ridiculous. It's part of the reason the human race or really the lessons, or the big lesson to learn is that. One of them, because when we mature, when you get older, you learn some of that. Most cops are good, but, you know, there's the 20, 15, 20% that are on the take, you know, or shoot somebody, you know, for money or something like that. But most cops are good, you know. When it, you know, it's like perspective is important, you know, everything like that. - Right. - You know, you interview somebody who's been beaten up by a cop and they hate cops. But then those same cops are, you know, saving somebody's life with a bunch of firemen. You know, it's, boy, the universe is all flexible, reality is flexible, everything is flexible, and everything is gray. - Right. - Lighter, dark thing. Nobody's perfect. It's like, "Oh God, source." He or she is a lot pure light. And it's like, "Eh, I wonder." - Right. - Yeah. I bet they owe a lot of people some poker money. - Right. Well, it's, I always say that, like, there is no answer for anything. Like, you can make a list of possibilities and the answer is always all the above. Like, I don't think that there's like, nothing is clear cut, like you said. And that's very apparent. It's very apparent. - People don't like that. They don't like the flexibility of something. They like, you know, everything hard, solid, solid. Like a way, you know, my dad was kind of like that. I'm like, "Hey, man." There's a lot of flexibility and greatness in here. - Oh, hell no. - Right. - Right. - And it's always-- - What? - Then it's always answers. - It's always about who benefits from like the UFO disclosure. Like, who benefits from what they're doing right now? Like, obviously, we talked about that earlier, but it's always, there's always an agenda behind every move. - Yeah, they're doing this whole UAP thing, the whole of it, because they have to. Who's on the inside pushing for that? That's anyone's guess. Some lighter, gray, medium to lighter gray hats are like, enough is enough. The internet's changed everything the last 30 years. People are seeing more and more shit in the sky. Pilots are seeing stuff. I know Navy personnel are really pissed off. They're like, we see them all the time. What we're supposed to report them is naval flares. I was on the USS Enterprise in 1995 for a couple of nights. And it's an aircraft carrier. And we saw on the distance of South Carolina in the east, all these orange lights that they were in formation, then one zipped away, and then they flipped out. They said, the officer on the deck said to all the enlisted people, I just naval flares, everyone back to work. And the chief petty officer, some guys passed me and my own eye friend, who was with me. And they said, they always say that. We know what the fuck they are. - Right, right. - And they're getting tired, they're getting tired. The service personnel, all branches, maybe not the space force, but all branches, they're getting tired of being treated like children, not given the proper clearances or information. Yeah, they believe in national security in the constitution, most, not all, but the Navy believes in constitution, Marines. - Yeah. - They're not beholding to a commander in chief. They're beholding to the constitution, which represents, in theory, the American people. - Right. - But they've been a corrupt. - Well, let's talk about the Navy and the space force. Because so the space force recently took over all military satellite communications. I don't know if you recently saw that. And I don't know how true that is, but that's what was announced. And then what the space force also is allegedly working on a new space station that's gonna be three times the size of the Empire State Building and they're decommissioning the ISS in 2031. They're gonna crash land into Pacific Ocean. - It's a piece of shit anyway. - Right. (laughing) - I'm Victoria Cash. Thanks for calling the Lucky Land Hotline. If you feel like you do the same thing every day, press one. If you're ready to have some serious fun for the chance to redeem some serious prizes, press two. - We heard you loud and clear. So go to luckylandslots.com right now and play over a hundred social casino style games for free. Get lucky today at luckylandslots.com. - No purchase necessary. VGW Group, void prohibited by law. Eighteen plus, terms of condition supply. - So and the information about the new space station comes directly from somebody I know who whose father is working on it. And this is real intel. - They'll say it's new, but they've had it up there for 20 years. - Right. - Oh, we got a space station. It's just like anything else up there. There's a ton of shit up there in orbit. - Very new. - Very new. - And then space forces. - Over at orbit or high. - They seem to be at their forefront of all this right now. And they even seem to be like an aerospace company as well. If they are in fact building the new space station. - Yeah, it's a confusing mess. But here's what I know for whatever it's worth because I'm not right about everything. There was something called Earth Defense Force. And it's been around for 30, 40 years. That I think was changed to US Space Force. So we've always had it for, I don't know, 40, 50 years. We've had a presence in space as a defensive of the earth. Whether it's satellite or space stations. They've had space stations since the 50s probably. And so that's that component. The Naval Space Command, the NSC, it's one of those acronyms. That's based in Quagilane Island and Diego Garcia. That much I know from my own sources. I've known that for, I don't know, 25, 30 years. I didn't know the significance of it. Quagilane, they launched things with chemical rockets and anti-gravity, it's in a position for privacy. But also there's an electromagnetic benefit of being in Quagilane, for getting stuff into orbit or beyond. What that benefit is, electromagnetically, it has something to do with the earth. But that's all I know. Probably the same in Diego Garcia. Boy, if you want privacy, that's in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Obviously the SSP people mentioned that from time to time. Where the Germans come and resupply, that's logical to me. Under contract, they have contracts, they resupply, that would be a great place to land. And whether you're in cloaked invisible or whatever, that's easy to do. They were working on that in the 30s. It's my new book, I talk about it, Optical Invisibility. Your changing, it has a time travel component to it. Because in my book, my latest book, "Sanity Was a Luxury." They're aboard a German anti-gravity airship. And the Varian brothers and Van Bush, the MIT Rad Lab, and John G. Trump is in there as a character. They cobble up a series of glyceron radar tubes, and they say, we could bend light using scalar waves at microwave frequencies. This gets into the Eldridge and Project Rainbow stuff. But theoretically, I kind of pieced it together. I think they could have done it. They were working on it in the 30s, that's the word, under FDR. And Tesla. And so what it does is it's out of phase. When you're looking at an aircraft from another aircraft, and then you shift the phase using scalar waves, and it becomes invisible because it's actually one step further out of time phase than you. So it's just a little bit of time travel used for optical invisibility. I think that's kind of sort of how it worked, at least back then, what they have today, who knows. But I kind of pieced that together. That was interesting to me. Of course, it worked, and it had limitations, but it worked. Right. So-- Yeah. And as far as the Navy's involvement and all the stuff, they seem to be-- Those way back, the diving bells, the Glomar Explorer. I drilled down-- this is six months ago. I drilled down on the Glomar Explorer, which Howard Hughes and Hughes Aircraft was involved in. And lo and behold, there it was. My dad is Under Secretary of the Navy in 1971. He was involved with the Underwater National Reconnaissance Office and the Glomar Explorer. Sure, it picked up a few Russian submarines. What else was it designed to pick up off the ocean floor? Right. I'm not sure what-- I was like, oh my god. I didn't even know that about that. I'm not sure. I don't know about the-- You said Glomar Explorer? Glomar Explorer, look it up. It's a big ship that's designed with two crane towers to lower a grappling, you know, type of grappling device to the ocean bottom to pick up submarines and whatever else it could grasp onto. Oh, you mentioned that in your letter. Did you not? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I knew I heard it. You know, I remember the first interview you were talking about that movie, The Final Countdown, how that was-- That's weird. You know, I watched that movie, and it's incredible. They're, you know, talking about time travel and a practical formality and applying it to the military and the Navy. And you said that was a recruitment film. I noticed the US Navy now is saying referring to the new Top Gun movie as like the number one movie on their Twitter account. That's the first thing. Top Gun voted number one. Top Gun Maverick. Top Gun Maverick voted number one by the Navy, but-- And I'm wondering if that's also being used as a recruitment film as well. Oh, sure. I mean, Hollywood's been neck and neck with Intel and the military services. I mean, look at 2001 Space Odyssey. I saw that when I was six years old in 1968 with my dad and my best friend. Imagine all the people joining NASA and the Air Force and some other secret US Navy space program was active, even back then. That was a dam. That was showing us the Secret Space Program. A lot of people believe that. I think so as well. They were showing us the truth, which they do on occasion. Now, of course, Antarctica, they make silly movies like Iron Sky, and I think they're making a third one. They're terrible movies. Terrible. But there's disclosure. Sort of because they're demonizing it. They're making it look ridiculous. That, to me, to me and others, that's a red flag. Because they're going all-- it's not like 2001 or the Top Gun or whatever else. No, they're demonizing that, making it look childish and silly. The movies are made for children. And so they're telling some truth probably, I think. But they're demonizing it as hard as they can. That's a red flag in my book. Well, just like the-- as soon as Trump announced the Space Force, the Netflix series came out of Space Force, it's a comedy that makes-- It's terrible. Right. It makes fun of it. Yeah. Like it's a joke. Yeah. And it just disappeared magic. All right, it's freezing in here. You're fine. In the bunker, it's freezing here. I keep the humidity at 10%. But that's exactly-- you're exactly right. Because Iron Sky is-- and Starship Troopers is another one that really paint a picture of how the SSP operates and what's actually going on. But it's laughable. They do it under the guise of comedy. It's terrible. In the 1990s, I was working in post-production television. I was a computer guy, a compositor doing special effects work for movies and commercials and things of that. And I saw Starship Troopers being made on the computer with the animation in those days. It was all soft homage. And I was like, this is a weird movie. And then I watched 10 minutes of it. And I thought, oh, this is ridiculous. And now I'm like, I wonder, they're really showing us some of the truth. They make it kind of silly. And they make it for young adults and 12-year-olds. Under cosmic law, they're showing us the truth. I agree. And I've heard from people like Darryl James and some other SSP people that the way they're depicted wearing-- I guess the dark fleet would be depicted the long leather coats with the hat, the black leather coats with the hat. Apparently, that's exactly how they dressed. And that, to me, that's a detail that you can't ignore. If that's really what these people are remembering, and that same detail shows up in a movie like Starship Troopers, that's a subtle disclosure. But no one's ever going to connect those dots in this. You really go down that rabbit hole. You've got to have a good knowledge of all this stuff. And the problem is-- and this is what the US government and UAP folks-- they know people can't-- I mean, this has taken me 45 years of my life to piece together. I had my own. I came to this very slowly and skeptically. But I'm open-minded. I consider everything. That's why I'm friends with Penny Bradley and others. I want to listen. And a lot of the stuff they say is very esoteric. But as far as German history, going back to the Romans, trying to genocide the Germans, that's true. You've got to have a good knowledge of history to understand that. But to ordinary citizens, it's going to sound like a bunch of complicated gobbledygook. They know that. Chris Mellon and everybody, they know that. They know who their audience is. And I saw a document many, many decades ago, I don't know. And it said, the average IQ of America is somewhere around 85, the average. And I was like, this can't be true. I believe that. You don't believe this. This is a military doc. Someone showed it to me. And now, sadly, I've sort of come to terms with that. They know how to manipulate people's thoughts. They don't even have to do any heavy lifting. It's so easy to demonize everyone. And the disclosure movement is being still a bunch of tin foil hats with binoculars looking at UFOs in the sky and making up ghost stories about space. Oh, they saw that Star Wars. Oh, they saw that the day the Earth stood still. And it's like, wow, there's a lot of sci-fi movies where aliens are attacking us. Of course, post-apocalyptic movies, too. There's a lot of disclosure in the original 1960 Star Trek series. Oh, yeah. Now, the story on that that I've gotten from several sources, I piece it together. Gene Roddenberry, who was a World War II pilot, he saw action. He was the real deal. His best friend was Leslie Stevens, Jr., who was a Hollywood producer and did Battlestar Galactica in the 1970s. Guess who his father was? Admiral Leslie Stevens. And supposedly, he's the one who gave Gene Roddenberry through his son the information to put into the Star Trek series. There's word that it was a Navy-sponsored vehicle. The Navy wanted in the early '60s to start getting some of these concepts out to a very simplistic public. In the 1960s, it was barbaric times. Civil rights, it was grim. And so they were able to talk about all these issues in slavery, cosmic slavery, racism, war, a lot of war in Star Trek, Klingons, and everything like that, and who are the Klingons, who are the Romulans, and who are the Vulcans? I mean, there's all these concepts of logic, and they had episodes where the computer took over the whole enterprise. That's AI. Failed. They were trying to warn us about a lot of stuff. I urge people to go back and with this new knowledge that we're all talking about here, especially you guys, to go back and watch that with an eye that Gene Roddenberry was-- the story is he was a member of the council-- he was privy to the council of nine, nine ETs-- at the E. Salin Institute in California. And William Tomkins writes-- Admiral Rico Boda, who was in charge of the Douglas aircraft-- he's in my new book. He's a character. He and Leslie Stevens definitely knew each other, I think. From my research, it's hard to find anything on Boda. My father and I did two FOIA requests. The Navy gave us one page-- height, weight, serial number, commander of San Diego Naval Air Station. So I'm loyal. Well, most of that information comes from William Tomkins about some of the-- It all starts to piece together if you do your homework. But a lot of people read a few books and watch a few videos and freak out and say, well, this can't be true. And I don't blame them, but it's like-- it takes a lot of study. And then we have to consider the disinfo agents that are sent in to muddy the waters. Also that. And I actually have a list of the different levels of disinfo agents that I just think is really interesting to consider. They have agents of influence, the confusion agents, contract agents, deep cover agents, disinfo agents, notional agents, provocation agents, and spoon feeder agents. And like-- It's a lot of agents. Right. And each one, there's a description that I could go through if you want to, but each one has a description on how they operate. And what their strategies are. And a lot of them I see being used within the disclosure of truth movement. Right. And I'd like to think I have a pretty good level of discernment. I'm 60 years old, so I've been around, in my opinion, for whatever it's worth. The people that concern me the most in the whole disclosure arena is not Chris Mellon, Luis Elzondo, and Gary Nolan, and Travis Taylor, and all those guys. It's the guys, men and women, who are in the middle. Now, I'm going to give you an example. Jeremy Corbel is a big fan of Bob Lazar. I am too. I know people that knew they say Lazar was legit. People that I trust here, people not on the internet. Military folks. But then Jeremy Corbel goes off the reservation and starts talking about softball things. And gee whiz, I'm going to go on ancient aliens on the history channel, which is all bullshit. Ancient aliens is some disclosure. And then they say the top of a pyramid turns into a UFO made out of solid gold and zooms up into space. Not stupid. And so they're telling you some truth, I think. And then they muck it all up by telling you ridiculous things. Whoa, what if ancient astronauts think this? And so Jeremy Corbel, I think, is a very dangerous person. Maybe he's just an idiot. But I wonder because I think he's been trained to say, oh, you know, Bob Lazar is OK. He's just talking about this. But then everything else, he demonizes. And it's subtle. It's very subtle. He's sort of this mid-level guy. But he gets a lot of public exposure. That's dangerous to me. That's a guy who-- well, I think maybe I'm wrong. But I think he's the kind of guy where they tapped him on the shoulder and said, do this for us or else, or hear some money, either or both. Very pretty strong. That's exactly the vibe I'm talking about. And he talks about what Lavos are, like, yeah, Bob Azar's great. And then everyone's like, all right. And then he goes up, talks about how great Chris Millen and all these other guys are. And it's like, holy shit. So he's saying some good stuff. And then he's saying a lot of tainted stuff. That's counterintelligence 101. Exactly. That's how they operate, exactly. And another example is Ross Coltard and other-- they're suddenly their next bird. But I'm disappointed in Richard Dolan. And I'm disappointed in Linda Motenhall for reaching across the aisle and doing a softball interview with Chris Millen. What the hell? That's not going to further anything there. A lot of it becomes entertainment, the storytelling. And the first one on that list, agent of influence, it says, somebody who may be under mind control or ideologically motivated to use their positions of influence to mind control others. So we have to think about the mind control aspect of all this. And people in these positions might be under mind control. And we know this is possible. This is no secret. They may not be aware of what they're doing. That's what I mean. That's why some people are more susceptible to MKL through mind control techniques. It's mostly electronic now. Why some are-- and other people, I would hope that the three of us are not. We're talking about smack and we're not holding back. And others don't. I don't understand that part. Maybe some of the SSP folks can clarify how that works. Maybe you have to be a little soft in the head to begin with, like Tom DeLong. I'm sorry. Great musician or a free mason, whatever. I have friends who are free masons. They're like, that guy's full of shit. Well, and these guys, real guys. And they're like, that guy's, he's a Bobo. Yeah, the definition of a puppet being used. Or what they call a useful idiot or something like anything. Well, somebody in his position, they take advantage of your ego too. And like, hey, what if we make you the next UFO guy? Two to stars Academy. Listen, how does this sound? Two to stars Academy? You get access to top secret classified information. You get to go on Joe Rogan's podcast. You should tell the world what happens with UFOs. Like, they present it to them. He was giving information that's been floating around for 30 years. Alex Collier has been talking about that stuff. And others, Greer, and you name it. So what did Tom DeLong do? He just regurgitated shit. You know, his intention was good. By all accounts, he's a nice guy. I think they manipulated him out the yinnye. Right. Oh, yeah. You know, and then he's like playing KG, and he goes on Joe Rogan. That's a softball host, you know, nap, Joe Rogan, others. He's softball hosts and just sits there in his beanie and his hipster outfit and go, yeah, man. It's all cool. No, it's not cool at all. Look at frightening and horrifying. Right. Yeah, right, right. On DeLong. Jeremy Corbell, you know, there's a million of them. Right. You know, and they cater to the, to most of the folks who are very, very starting to get very concerned about this whole UFO issue, ET issue. And they're starting to get scared. And they're reinforcing their pink, you know, fluffy cloud of, you know, that false floor of reality. They're helping them, you know, pound new boards. Oh, no worries. Everything's going to be great. Right. Right. Right. Right. So I've seen it all my life. It's, it's, it's so obvious. Like, I got all these philosophers and psychologists. I'm doing an interview with a bunch of Jungians. And they, they all believe that, you know, my grandfather, new Carl Jung and his concept of the, the collective unconscious. And I think they're going to have me on and they're going to say, "Isn't it all in everyone's mind? Don't we just co-create our reality? How do you explain that? Yes, part of that's true. We do co-create our reality because that makes sense to me. But come on, it's not in all every way. Billions of people, it's not in our heads. But they're, see what they're doing that they're, they're protecting their sanity. This is why my new book, it's called "Sanity Was a Luxury." That's a quote from Ernst Shafer of the Anan Air Bay SS, the archeologists, and they're having this heated discussion about all the German technology and how it's going off the rails. This is my allied characters in the Germans. They're like, "We're really concerned." And they're like, "This is insane. These are like, sanity is a luxury. And we can't afford it right now." Right. Because everything has gone insane. So the problem with those concepts trying to, to hide behind a philosopher or a psychologist, you know, young with CIA, he was OSS and then, you know, once CIA, always CIA. And they're, they're going to the, you know, a guy who wrote a book about flying saucers, I've read it, it's mostly disinformation. Don't worry folks, it's all in your mind. Well, yeah, they might be real, but, you know, they're far away. Don't worry, it's all in your mind. That's dangerous. Yeah. And it's more of this people being chicken shit. I'm sorry, they're just cowards. Telling you what to think about it rather than presenting. Information letting you decide. Yeah, well, they can't, they don't have much of an argument now that the, you know, the government's coming out and saying, oh, there's a strange, there's ways, you know, they can't, they're, they're finding less, it's like having a, a mountain climb or having a perch. You know, these perch, all these perches are going away. They're going up an ice frozen waterfall and they're running out of, you know, ice axes and things to cement their, their pathetic third dimensional 20th century reality, which is going on folks. Right. Right. And you nailed it. You know, another thing I see is we have all of a sudden these ex-aluminati people coming out doing interviews saying that, oh, it's all virtual reality. These people are just remembering virtual reality. Oh, SSP is all memory implants in virtual reality. Which is a little bit of the truth. Right. Some of it is a little bit surrounded by a bodyguard of lives. That's when Churchill said, oh my God, the truth has to be protected with a huge bodyguard of lies. And so that's, that's the way that's an intel tactic. Chris Millen goes out there and goes, oh, it's a mystery. And you know, some of them might be alien, a little bit of truth. It's not a mystery, but the, you know, the alien part. And then he goes, no, don't worry. It's probably the Chinese or the Russians. So they, they kind of tantalize you with a little bit of, they think they're going to say something true. And then they fall back on their bullshit narrative. Yeah. You know, like a big fluffy mattress. Fine. Here's a blankie. Right. Right. Exactly. Don't worry, American people. Here's a cashmere blanket. Right. Firm fuzzy. Nothing to see here. Move along. You have a rub drink, you know, have a Tiki rub drink. Right. The bullshit narrative. That's what I'm going to name this episode. That's actually really good. It's pretty good. No, I, I don't blame people. I, I really, I mean, I, I can sound harsh sometimes, but you know, a lot of these people, my friends are family. You know, that I love dearly. But, you know, we all got to start to grow up. I mean, all of us. Yeah. Now we're never going to stop learning. Yeah. That's. Well, they hope, they hope that we get so confused and lose hope. So we, and we just throw in the towel and go back to working our 40-hour job and forget about it. That's what they want. And that's why the IQ is what you said it was 80 at 85 or whatever. I saw that, you know, people can argue that all day long. But you can, you see those. You see those people go around and ask random people basic questions about history, about the presidents. And most people, like, they can't answer it. A lot of people can't. They don't know, you know, who the first president was. It's like this millennial generation. So it's like, okay, there's, that's done by design. Their, the distractions are put in place. So, you know, it's cool. Movie, games, VR goggles, the games. Boy, those are dangerous. Right. You know, I see my step, I have a step grandson. You know, and he's diddling away on these games. I mean, there's no way to get him off. That is so a dig designed to be addictive. And then the movies and the TV shows. Yeah, TikTok. Ten sold videos. It's weird because like on Netflix, Dark is talking to you about time travel. And they're alluding to Brookhaven Labs in Long Island. But it's set in Germany at this fake atomic plant. But they're giving you some truth. But boy, they made it so complicated and slow and German. I mean, some of my friends asked me, what the hell is dark really about? And I said, you know, you wouldn't believe it if I told you. You know, and, and then they're like, what? You know, it, they tell us bits of truth, but it is so convoluted. There are very few shows that really hit the nail in the head, if any. I mean, I'm surprised Graham Hancock's show got on Netflix. Me too, we were just talking. I am shocked that was allowed. But that, I don't know, to me, that gives me like, maybe there's some. Every day when you log into Chumba Casino.com, the ultimate online social casino, you get a free daily bonus. Imagine if you got daily bonuses in other parts of your life. I chose French fries over loaded French fries. I asked Stewart from accounting about his weekend, even though I don't care. I updated my operating system without having to call tech support. Collect your free daily bonus at Chumba Casino.com now. And live the Chumba life. B.D.W. Group. No, we're just necessary. We were braided by law in terms of conditions, 18 plus. Some kind of like shift. Good infiltration. It looks like there's something happening here. A little bit of hope, yeah. Right, right. And then this, this, the gift show. Yeah, there's a, it was filmed in Istanbul. It's called The Gift. And it's about go back. Oh yeah, very nice. Go back, we talked about it. And it talks about parallel dimensions. And they all these profound universal messages that I'd never expected to, you know, stuff we talk about on here, on our show, that's on Netflix now. I'm like, how did this slip through the cracks unless it was allowed? Because it was very highbrow. It's not that easy to understand. It's subtitled from Turkish. Right. Only us UFO nerds and, you know, new age geeks and metaphysical mystic types are going to be really, really into that. Right. For the most part. Your average Joe or Jane Sixpac, I don't know about the world, but the America, they're not going to watch that. Right. What's this about? Pernturn on sports and football. It's sad, I don't say that to be mean. It's just, it's the truth. It's the truth. It's a part. Yeah. It's just a really smart people. I know. And then like football's on there. It's like, woo. Right. It's like a power down. Exactly. Sports. It's powered in. Exactly. And then, like, I go to family gatherings and stuff and people can't help. It is a literal simulation when people are talking about the weather and sports and what their favorite network series is in politics. Oh boy, they love politics in America. It's a contact sport. It's another sport. Right. Right. Exactly. Nonsense. This brings up another point I wanted to mention. I'm not going to mention the person who said this, but somebody in the SSP realm got up on stage in front of a group, a large group of people and said, you know, folks, all you got to do is go to the polls and vote for the right people. And we can have change. And I stood there listening to this and my jaw just hit the floor and shattered. Right. Yeah. Let me tell you, folks, I've been around the US government all my life. You're only going to vote for another moron in charge. I just told you about the congressman who had, you know, gee whiz, UAPs, and they shut him down. If he keeps probing, they'll get rid of him. He's a congressman in two years. Oh, he mysteriously didn't win his next election. That's how it works. You're not going to vote anyone in politics. The US government, anything, you're never going to get any disclosure or change or progressivism from those people. The military are designed to defend this country, you know, and for many threats from outer space. And that's it. They're not in a position to disclose anything. That's for the US government. See the run around? Right. The US government creates the task force. So it just goes round, around, around. You're not going to get anything. It has to come from the people. Right. And I thought that was very, very irresponsible to say that. And this is something in the Secret Space Program, you know, a veteran. And I'm like, how can you be a veteran of what's going on out in space? And say that. That's right. You're to, I'll just say, I'll just say their name. I'll just say the name because I don't care. Randy Kramer. Yeah, Randy Kramer. And it was like, Randy, I like Randy. I think he has great stories to tell. You know, I appreciate it. But my God, that was, I mean, he's, and then a lot of him and a lot of other people go, well, my commanding officer won't let me talk about that. They're still coming. Let me get something straight. I'm here with my face. A lot of people come on, you know, interviews and they just have a blank. They don't want to show their face. What you think technology's not going to figure out your voice. They've got technology that can do anything. So, you know, getting up there and saying, well, I'm not allowed to talk with that. Ha, ha, ha. That's not funny. Right. You know, why don't you have the balls to come on, show your face and talk about everything. Right. No, I can't stand this. Well, I could talk about this, but not that. Right. Ha, ha. You, you kids aren't worthy of money. Well, apparently. That's too high level. Well, they say it's because of NDAs, but. Please, they're talking about the Secret Space Program and you're worried about your NDA. It doesn't make any sense. Right. Well, so that ruins your credibility to me. That's a great example of compartmentalization too, because he's only being told certain things and he thinks everything he's being told is the truth. And oh, if that was true, I would know about it. It's like that whole kind of thing. Right. It's like, well, no, because it's compartmentalized. You're being told what they want you to know. Because that serves that compartment. And I cannot fathom you're talking about a Secret Space Program and fighting in space for corporations and everyone else. But I can't talk about this because my commanding officer said no, no. Right. That's no sense to me. That's a joke. Well, and there's a key, the key word, key words commanding officer. These people still have superiors that they answer to. And tell them to tell their superiors to go jump on in on the lake. Ridiculous. We're talking about the survival of the human race. You're worried about what some jarhead commanding officers telling you? You're worried about the wrong things. I'm not an SSI man. I don't have memories. I don't have any of that stuff. But I've had my experiences and I don't hold back because some senator called me up one night and said, don't talk about that. I don't do that. I never worked for the government and I never worked for the military. Right. But even if you did, you know, this ship has sailed, folks. This, oh, I can't talk about this one thing. Why the hell not? You're talking about everything else. Mother ships and, you know, Drago Simmons and corporate, you know, and I provide ice cream for the secret space program out there. You know, it's organic. All that shit. And you can't talk about this, you know, the aquatic people's union for, you know, freedom of the oceans. You know, what the hell is so top secret about that? It just, you know, I'm going to vent, you know, it needs to be said. Right. Yes. Thank you. And here's what I think. Like most of the people, the masses, don't believe in this stuff anyway. So like, what's the difference if you share one bit of information next to the other, that they already don't believe? Right. Oh, I can't talk about the frog people. No way. That's too much. Yeah. Jesus, it's insane. You know, I understand people are manipulated and messed with and alternate personalities and, you know, God, I'm psychotronic controls and this guy's a limit. I understand all that. But it's, it's, it's so strange to me when people come up to talk about this, but no way. I'm going to talk about the ice cream stuff. No way. Why not? You know, some corporation doesn't want you to talk about that. Who cares? Well, some people, maybe they were threatened. It's all circumstantial. We don't know. So we can't throw everybody under the same blanket, but I do understand what you're saying. It's just strange to me, you know, I can talk about this, but hell no, you know. Right, right, right. And a lot of that, those people are in those positions because they've been manipulated via their ego. And by saying that they can't say something that they're privy to, that that is their ego loves that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I've never said that. I've never, no one's ever told me to withhold this. Now, I've gotten some general warnings from people I respect. But, you know, I'm like, well, we're at the 11th hour. We really are. I mean, there's the countdown clock, you know, one minute to midnight. We're at the one minute mark, human race. Yeah. Yeah. By all accounts, everyone's watching us. What are they going to do? Are they going to really, you know, are they going to, you know, haul this ball over the goal line or not? And everyone's like, oh, I can't tell you my real name. I can't do this and that. It's like, do you realize what's at stake? Right. Because in 20 years, when I'm 80, if we don't move this ball over the goal line in a meaningful way, I mean the people, everyone around the earth, then we're, then we're going to succumb to a lot of us dying. A lot of us being chipped by Elon Musk and put in a cubicle with a computer and everything else will be built by robots. And I mean, that's where we're headed. It's full on, full on flavor. Yeah. I mean, it's, and it's faster than people think. Right. Well, because it happens. Because Elon Musk is a, is if a demigod. They, it happens before your eyes and you don't see it until it's too late. And that's what every, that's how it all happens. If you know this, like next thing you know, there's charging stations and electric cars and all this stuff. Well, how did, when did that happen? Like it just all of a sudden there. That's a totalitarian tip toe. I think it like puts it. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. I'm all for electric cars. But let them, let them charge themselves while they drive. Because that's, that's so easy to do. And you can easily charge the battery, keep it battery. You hook something up to your axle and it can charge the battery while you drive. You don't even need a charging station. Like there's things like that that they still, they still keep you under their power, under their control by making you go plug in your car. Yeah. I mean, they're going to need zero point or, you know, some type of fusion to, to meet the energy demands in 10 or 15 years in America. Um, and now there's all these things in England. They announced a small town is in a small paper. But they said, oh, we've got fusion up and running. It works. We're going to have it nailed within 10 years. And in America too, they're like, oh, the Navy and everything. We have breakthrough infusion. Well, you know, they've been using it for 50 years or more. Right. You know, all you need is a strong magnetic field to contain it. Well, technology is really, and, you know, it's torsion tensor physics. You know, it's, they're, they're starting to let out bits of the truth. But everything across the board, people are, you know, talking in all this. For me personally, as I research this and given all the history, it's a case of every time it's a case of too little, too late. Right. We all the allies almost lost World War II, because it was a case of too little too late. And with the Germans, they almost had their technology in mature, but it was too little too late. It's getting scary. I mean, that war could have ended everything. Are you familiar with the Boeing B-21 Raider that was unveiled December 22nd? It's like the new stealth fighter bomber, but they say it's nuclear capable. What does that mean? And, you know, in the article, it says nuclear capable or conventional. So they're telling you subtly, like, hey, sort of, yeah, the Navy is cagey. They let out some patents and things here and there. Here's how to build a black triangle. Now, everyone says you could from the patent, you can see how it works. That's sort of, they allow just enough information to wet your appetite, but not the big stuff. Right, right. And then not Boeing is partnering with NASA and they're creating the new next gen aircraft, the commercial airliners. I don't know if you saw that, but yeah, that's going to be problematic. They're trying to get us off oil and coal eventually in the 25, 30 years. The Navy, the aircraft, if they say it's nuclear or conventional, that probably, it's like a TR3 black triangle. The early ones had hydrogen type thruster system, so that's conventional. But then it had a plasma ring with a plasma accelerator on it, doing a zero point to high voltage and then three nodes or using torsion fields, monatomic gold and silver plasma and quartz crystals. To them, that's nuclear. They can call that nuclear. Is it technically nuclear? Depends who you talk to in the nuclear physics arena. Sort of. So they get away with saying, this aircraft is conventional and there's a nuclear component. And what does that code for? And that means anti-gravidics or anti-gravity. What they do is they just take off with conventional ramjet or turbines and then they switch to electric gravidics like the B2 bomber in low Earth orbit. There, it's probably moon and Mars capable if it has a plasma ring, like a TR3B. I think that even some of our conventional aircraft are retrofitted. Like I'm talking about like commercial airliners, even possibly being retrofitted with this technology as well. And I had a very vivid dream one night where I was co-pilot of this airliner. And we had to make an emergency landing and the pilot flipped on the anti-gravidics. Let's say the nuclear capable technology and we just descended. And I was like, I knew that was retrofitted in these planes. He's like, oh yeah, they all have it. And they're only allowed to use it under emergency orders. That was a dream. But I think something like that, you know, I think that happens. Well, they could. How do we get that to work? I mean, they just use conventional jet engines and then in flight they could switch over and reduce throttle. It'll probably save a lot of fuel. And then in emergency, you could just glide to the ground very subtly and land. The problem with that is you give that to Lufthans or United Airlines. They're going to wonder how the black box works. In other words, I was talking to my friend, John Majorowski, he has a channel. And he said that, you know, I lost my train of thought, but oh, the satellites. And so when you order a satellite, a company orders a satellite. The satellite comes, but the black box comes from another corporation. It's a power source. And they say, what's in the black box that's going to power it for 25, 30 years. And they're like, that's classified. It's rare. Yeah, put it in. Launch it. You're done. No more questions. And so they've been, you know, the Apollo 11 command module, some theorize that it had a black box in there to protect the command module and the LAM from micrometeorites, gamma radiation, and the Van Allen bell. So they have to have this electromagnetic bubble. Remember in NASA, Kirk Debus was number two. Under Von Braun, he was a high voltage electrical plasma specialist. Right. What does that have to do with rockets? Right. Well, everything, if you understand, the electric universe. Yeah. So they had a black box going to the moon. And a lot of people say we didn't go to the moon. I don't care, honestly. We did or not. We probably went once, twice. And then Apollo went dark and classified and all that jazz. But, you know, we had these black boxes and other things. Solid state, you know, zero point. They have the clear plastic brick, which I talk about in some funny stories. And, you know, it can power a whole building or even a series of buildings from a solid state. It's clear. It looks like, you know, Lexan or something. That's really high tech stuff. We probably have back engineered that now. So hence the black boxes that can power a satellite for 50 years. Now, satellites go obsolete way before that time. But they just either they go up and retrieve the black box. And then they send it into low earth orbit to burn up. You know, it's not hard. We've got a lot of gear in space. We've got space stations. We've got, you know, service vans coming around, going, oh, this satellite's going down. They take the good technology out of it and save it for something else. Cause it never goes bad. Right. You know, it's interesting too. You said like, you said that, you know, some of these aircraft will take off with conventional methods and they'll switch over. James Kasbolt talked about an old interview. I don't know if you're familiar with him or. Oh, yeah. He talked about how he was sent to Mars. It was a regular typical conventional rocket launch from, from Peru. He said he had to be trained to be an astronaut. They shot him up into space. And once they were up there, they boarded a free energy craft. And then took that to Mars. And it's all part of to maintain the, you know, it's all show, right? It's the show. That was the old days. Has the old days. Exactly. Oh, now they, you know, now you're in your backyard and you come with us. You know, I had a dream. I went to the moon base when I was like, oh, that was lucid. And I was high as a kite. And I was doctors were examining me. And I was looking out these black windows. Where I want to see the moon and space in the earth. They're like, don't worry about it. It's out there, but you can't see through the windows. That was weird. You know, everyone's had all these weird dreams. It's very possible that most of us have been out in space. Our consciousness has been out there. They borrowed it for a while. Oh, fix the toilet, Mr. Warner. Okay. I'm a plumber. You know, I'm on the moon base and it's not very fun. And then they put me. So we all might have been doing this, that or the other. I had another dream. I was in the Air Force, you know, with the 1960s uniform on with a typewriter. They're like, you're a writer. Type these reports up. And I had stacks of reports. No, this sucks. Being only on the moon or Mars would be more fun. No, you don't get to do the fun stuff. Type these up and shut up. So I wonder about all that. It's, it's, I woke up and I told my wife. I was like, wow, I was a, I was a typist. Yeah. It was really boring work. But they need, they need personnel to do one day jobs. I wonder if everyone is taken at one point. They need, who wasn't Mary Beavers said, they need accountants. They need everybody. Right. So thank you so much for joining us today. I mean, this has just been a lot of fun. We covered everything. I really appreciate you sharing your time with us. And do you want to let people know how they can find you and where they can find your books? Yeah, you can link my website below the interview. That's the easiest way. And I had the link for the letter I wrote. Can you name your, can you just say your website out loud for the audio listeners? Yeah. It's john w Warner the fourth author dot com. Right. And then if they want, they can follow you on Twitter also. Yeah, I post some crazy stuff on Twitter. I don't, I don't respect any kind of miracles on there. I'll probably at some point just shut it down and just leave it. Right. And just it's designed to extract information and not really be any kind of meaningful. Sure, sure. A little bit, you know, a few people that are interesting. Yeah, well, thanks for joining us. This was a lot of fun. Thank you guys for tuning in. We love you all. Don't forget. If you want to come hang out, grab a ticket. The link is below journey to truthcon.com. Maybe there'll be some intelligence agencies there. Maybe not. Should be one or two. Right. Um, we have charged. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Um, anyway, we, we hope to see you there. And if you can't make it, live stream tickets are available for $99. So take advantage of that. We love you all. Have a great evening. And until next time, good night. Good night. Thanks. There was a CIA director named William Colby who in the 1980s said, we'll know our disinformation campaigns are successful when everything the American people believe is fake. When we realize how powerful we are when we set our intentions and we realize that we aren't just this. We are just these multi-dimensional light beings and time is an illusion. And you know, it's everything's a perception. Then you can go forward and backwards and embody it and just pop out and go and do this work. You can do amazing things when we set the right intentions to do it. And I said, this is, this is us on this plane. You know, like, that's what this is. We're going to the moon. And you say, this thing is a lot older than you think it is. We've been going to the moon a long time. But I wrote on it. I knew that we went to the moon. And so I always knew there was a base on the moon from a young age. And our DNA is a complex recording system of the history of the entire universe. The history, you know, of everything. That not just this timeline that we know, but multiple timelines of reality. There are a total of nine different categories of planets in the universe. We, people on earth, we are living on category one planet like elementary school students. And the Theobans, they're living on a category nine planet like college professors. So they have been really guiding us throughout history. Welcome, let us know that this facility under the Sandy Mountain is considered an information station for interstellar travelers coming to the planet. They tell us that their facility was retrofitted into the ancient tunnel system that already existed. And as far as the bending of space time continuum, I've had something like that happen. And what seemed like about a five minute encounter has been four and a half hours. A missing time and I was completely conscious. What are you dealing with the type three, type four, type five, civilizations that can work with the different coexisting timelines? All bets are off, man. You know, every time we have Bigfoot activity out there, we're having ETS and orbs and stuff like that. We have a lot of the stuff documented. As a matter of fact, I'm a member of three different teams and I work with people from all over the country out in the field. And we actually have documented a portal, something that we consider to be a portal. Opening and we sent two of our team members inside of it and it disappeared and then came back out. I would suggest that we take it one step further and say humanity has never known who we are. We've always been in the thought control matrix and one step further, perhaps we could say that we're in a conscious, consciously controlled state of hypnosis. In other words, are the thought control matrix creators constantly bombarding us with frequencies that keep us from being telepathic, that keep us from remembering who we are, the thought control matrix was set up and we have never known our potential, our power, our beauty, our incredible connection. It makes no sense at all. There is no reason for it other than the programming that we've received for generations because it's all about order. It's all about listen to listen to your elders, listen to the teachers, listen to the adults, listen, listen, listen, listen. And what that does is it dims the light of the child and it makes them feel like they don't have a voice and why that's designed that way by the dark side and that's in the system is so that they grow up and they just listen to and they do what they're told and they're good little boys and good little girls and they lose their sense of self. They lose their north, their true north. So many adults are walking around in this world. They don't know who they are. So the planet itself is now beginning to split. It's beginning to divide again into a higher vibrational earth and a lower vibrational earth and the race of man is dividing with it and we're becoming less and less aware of one another and over time what will happen and I don't know how long this will be, one world will have all higher vibrational beings on it and the other one will all be third-dimensional beings and we will not perceive each other anymore. 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