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EP 225 - Floyd Wills: Ancient Giants - Missing Chapter In History

Originally aired on 12/29/22
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Floyd Wills:
My fascination of ancient mysteries began in early childhood. As a young boy, I remember sitting in front of the television for hours watching the program "In Search of." I was intrigued by the mysteries history could not so easily explain away. How was the great pyramid constructed? Did Atlantis actually exist? Did our ancient ancestors interact with extraterrestrial beings?

When I was in high school, a friend gave me a copy of Erich von Däniken's book, "Chariots of the Gods." Von Daniken's book opened my eyes to the intriguing possibility that ETs have interacted with humankind for thousands, or perhaps even millions of years. My interest in ancient mysteries led me to discover the works of Zecharia Sitchin and his research into the Anunnaki , a group of deities worshipped by the ancient Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians. Sitchin believed these "Gods" were not mythological in nature, they were extraterrestrial beings.

Through a chance meeting, I became friends with a gentleman who was a Ufologist and Biblical archaeologist. My friend took me to several archaeological sites in Mexico and shared with me his research into the Biblical "Nephilim." Intrigued by my friend's research, I delved into the history of the Nephilim, which led me to the Book of Enoch, a book that was omitted from the Bible. After studying this ancient text, the Book of Enoch explained the whole back story of the Nephilim mentioned in Genesis chapter 6. During my research, I came across a presentation on giant skeleton discoveries in North America presented by Jim Vieira. I was amazed at all the documented accounts of giant skeleton finds Vieira presented, many of which were newspaper articles.

Inspired by Vieira's fascinating presentation, I began searching through old newspaper archives going back to the early 1900s of giant skeleton discoveries. My "giant" file quickly grew large. As I read through these articles I noticed a common theme; after the discovery of the giant skeletons, the authorities were called in, and the skeletons were confiscated and were never seen again. I noticed there were very few newspaper articles that had photographs of the giant bones. However, I came across some information on the discovery of "Red Haired Giants" in Lovelock Cave in Nevada in 1911. This discovery peaked my interest because some of the skulls of the Red Haired Giants supposedly ended up in the basement of a museum in Winnemucca, Nevada. It was during my investigation into the Lovelock...

Duration:: 1h 19m
Broadcast on:: 03 Aug 2024
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You know, you were talking about the whole pandemic and everything was going on. And I was there with my sons, and I just overheard you guys and I was like, Oh, my gosh, these, these people are awake. It reminded me of the, the movie they live. And when they would wear the sunglasses, right? I'm like, yeah, these people have their sunglasses on my goodness. So I'm like, I got it. I was a little nervous at first, but I was like, you know what, I'm just going to go over there, introduce myself and just say hello. And it led to this. Yeah. Exactly. You didn't even know I had a podcast. No, I didn't know. You had your shirt on. I was wearing a shirt. I was wearing a shirt, but I didn't notice it. And then you were like in the conversation like, Oh, yeah, I've got a podcast Journey to Truth. And I'm like, Well, how can I find it? You like get up and you turn around and you show me the back of your shirt. All right. I remember that. I remember that. Yeah. And I didn't know you wrote a book or that you were. Yeah. I was right in the process of doing the formatting on it. I had already written the book, but now it's going through that process. And yeah, it's amazing how when you just connect with people, you know, have a conversation, you know, reach out what it could lead to. This is incredible. Here I am on your guys show. Right. And that's, and that's why I wanted to tell that story, the importance of just being vocal, opening your mouth, talking about this stuff, speaking your truth, and you literally attract the things in your life that, you know, you're supposed to come across, especially in Portland because there's always in the back of my mind, like, what if somebody gets mad hearing what we're talking about and like. Try to fight me in the parking lot or, you know, who knows, absolutely, but the opposite happened with the opposite happened. It's incredible. Just the, I don't know if you want to call it synchronicity. Attraction, you know, whatever, you know, it's just incredible, like how a conversation could end up. And here we are. And I thank you guys for having me on your show. It's a pleasure to be here. And I want to thank your audience as well. Yeah, we're looking forward to this. Yeah, thank you. Like I said earlier, your book covers so much about giants and everything. I mean, you've done some extensive research into this topic. And I want to start with the main topic of the book, the red haired giants of love lock cave. For our audience who doesn't know that story, would you mind kind of giving us a background of the story and the history of that. Yeah, absolutely that that story comes from the Northern Paiute. And in their oral tradition, they speak of a tribe of red haired giants and they have various names of these giants. One of them was satika, which means to lead eater to lead is like a water plant. And the area where these giants lived, there was a giant lake and it was very marshy at that particular time in history and they would, you know, they would fish and they would use these to lead plants and they would a weave basket tree and make boats and things like that. So they've been in the Paiute history for a long time. They were cannibalistic giants, they weren't a nice tribe, they would actually attack the other surrounding tribes and they would, they would eat the other tribal members. Finally, the Paiute got tired, they had waged war on these giants for a number of years, and they banded together and they cornered the last of the giants at love lock cave and they threw brush in front of the cave and they shot flaming arrows and burned the giants to death. Now some of the Paiutes believe, not all of them were killed, some of them escaped. Mm hmm. Yeah, I read that part they said, you know, some secret escape, or secret escape. Yes. And so this was, this isn't just some tale they've actually discovered the bones discovered the artifacts and uncovered them they were buried in like in five to six feet of guano back guano. Yeah, absolutely. And I'll get a little bit into the back backstory of that but that's why this particular story intrigued me so, so much was because there was a lot of evidence there's actual artifacts that came out of the cave and skeletal remains, most of which disappeared. However, some of the skulls did end up in a small museum, a humble museum in Winamaka, and that museum had them for decades, but they kept them and cupboards in the basement they never put them on public display. And if you wanted to actually view these skulls you had to ask to view them. They're no longer there. But the whole backstory of this originally the cave was the artifacts and the giants were discovered in 1911 by two guano minors. That was basically bat poop, and it was used as fertilizer. And so these two minors went into love lock cave and discovered artifacts and giant mummies that was in 1911. One of those who made the discovery, his name was John Reed, and he actually knew about the legend of the red haired giants from when he was a teenager, he was friends with a Native American who was a son of chief Winamaka. His name was Nat Chez, and one time at john's family farm the horses got out, and they went to retrieve the horses and this went on for days and days trying to track down these horses. They ended up camping outside of love lock cave and it was raining out, and John was like well why don't we just go in that cave and take shelter and that chest says no, we're not going in there because the spirits of the red haired giants haunt that cave. And then he relayed to john, the story of the red haired giants and how they were cannibalistic they were evil, and how his ancestors had killed them off. And basically their spirits haunted that that cave so he john had an interest in archaeology from when he was very young and he knew about the red haired giant so it was kind of ironic that he heard the story of the giants, and actually went in the cave to try to find out when he was a teenager and just found piles of bat poop and you know nothing else and left, but then later as an adult, he would go back into that cave and they would make that discovery of these tall red haired mummies and artifacts. So it was a real interesting story how it went full circle. So he knew about the legend and he actually was an amateur archaeologist himself, and had a lot of curiosity about the giants. And the most curious thing to me is that the old newspaper articles that covered all this stuff. I just saw on a little mini documentary I was watching that there have been up to 1500 newspaper articles written about the discovery of giant skeletons dating all the way back to the 1800s. What happened to 50 I've read some of these articles myself. And then, now there's just no record of them not even in the Smithsonian which in the book you refer to the Smithsonian gate and I would like you to explain what that is for our audience. Yeah, the Smithsonian gate is just the whole concept of what I call knowledge filtration. And it's basically if something doesn't fit in what you've been taught or what your ideology or teaching. It's just simply filtered out you don't even acknowledge it. And so there's, you know, there's a question that many researchers have well is there like a big conspiracy by the Smithsonian to like hide the stuff. Or is it more like they just have this knowledge filtration like it doesn't fit into our paradigm. So if we come across a giant skeleton, you know, we'll just write it off and just, you know, stick it in a box somewhere in a, in a warehouse. You know, so that's open to debate. Is there some big conspiracy or is it knowledge filtration. And you know many I think there's many individuals that have made discoveries like this archaeologist paleontologist but they, they feared about their career like if they really came forward and they thought this to the public you know what would happen to them what would happen to their career. And I actually give a specific example of that in the book of a, of a lady Virginia Steen McIntyre, who was doing some dating on an archaeological site in Mexico. reported what she honestly found and said this site shows human habitation going back, you know, to hunt possibly 200,000 years. Right. And that would totally rewrite North American history and she was brave enough to come forward well she was ostracized she lost her career. And she's never been involved in paleontology archaeology since that point. So, so it's a religion basically to yeah, yeah, it is against the religion your ostracize. Yes, you're ostracized and there was a thing called the pal doctrine when the Smithsonian was first founded and basically John Wesley pal he was a really influential man in the field of archaeology and he basically said came forward and said oh if there's any discovery of pre-Columbian artifacts in America, it just can't be. And it's you know it's either been planted or misidentified it must be fake and so it must be fake so from a very early point in our history here in America it's been taught in the societies that if there's any kind of pre-Columbian discoveries here in America doesn't matter how much evidence that you have, it doesn't fit with with our paradigm so it just simply it's not true. Yeah, I mean but you're talking 200,000 years old, you know that's one account. I've read some other articles that talked about skeletons in New Mexico dating 25,000 to 50,000 years ago. Now I want to put this into perspective Graham Hancock's new show ancient apocalypse. He's trying to argue that these sites are even 10 to 12,000 years old. Like and that people came and wrapped their head around that but we have evidence going but dating back possibly as far as 200,000 years older than that. Yes, and that's an interesting point you bring up I love Graham Hancock. He's one of my one of my heroes fingerprints of the gods was one of his first books I read. But in my book I actually cite an archaeological discovery in San Diego that happened in the 90s there was some road construction work going on, and they found the uncovered the bones of a mastodon. And so they they called in the archaeologists paleontologists they're looking at this thing and the mammoth had the bones had been broken up. And the morrow it looks like the moral was gone from the bone so so some intelligent being sucked the moral out of the bones, and there were stone cobbles next to the bones that were that were made. That's an intelligent being to break the bones to suck tomorrow out. Well here's the kicker they dated the mastodon bones to be at probably 120,000 years old, right, give or take 10,000 years. And, and the discover the researchers on the sites basically saying hey we have solid evidence that there were hominids in North America over 100,000 years ago, and they could have been Neanderthals they could have been Denise events. And they could have been they were intelligent hominid species that were smart enough to make tools. Right. Exactly. And, and that goes back to the cover up because the evidence is concrete in some cases, and I've heard a whistleblower and I'm sorry guys I don't remember his name I was an old interview I watched. Apparently he worked for the Smithsonian and he said in some cases, they wouldn't they would actually destroy the evidence. I've heard of cases like that as well and I recently got in contact with a researcher that knew the old curator at the humble museum where those skulls were originally that came out of love lock cave. And she claims that the curator had revealed to her that the Smithsonian came in, and they took everything out of there, they took them all out. You know what museum to look at the skulls to go view them. They told me, Oh, those were repatriated back to the Native Americans. Okay, which I thought was weird, because NAGPRA was enacted in the nine 1990s. Right. And these skulls had been there for at least 50 years. So this was long before all the political stuff. And they were kept in the basement and you couldn't even see him. So if this had to do with NAGPRA will NAGPRA was enacted in the 90s but they've been there for 50 years. So something's not adding up. It's not making sense to me. Well, yeah. And then you have Abraham Lincoln claiming to see, you know, he saw giants. And Niagara, right. He mentioned something about the eyes of those extinct giants. Yeah. And then there's, there's apparently information out there that he was brought to under one of these mounds in North America and shown some giant skeletons in Ohio. I think Ohio. Yeah. Apparently his name's even like autographed in. So there's like an entrance that goes into underneath one of these mounds. Apparently his name is like carved in a stone. Like as it used to be almost like a tourist site. Not just a bunch of a bunch of other people. It's, it's hilarious to me that we have to even fight for this truth to get out there. Well, absolutely. But if you see what's going on now in our society with all the, like the matrix we live in with a cover up with just the current things going on. It's just they've been doing that with our ancient history. They've been covering things up. You know, if you control the past, you know, you can, you can control the present. Exactly. And I don't know how accurate this number is. So there's a documentary about giants on Gaia TV. And I forgot what it's actually called. It's about ancient giants. And they said by 1920, somewhere it's documented that in North America, they found over 3000. I think like 3781 giant skeletons by 1920. Yeah. That's a, that's a massive number to just erase. Right. Exactly. Yeah. It would not surprise me. I mean, I just started compiling a giant file like looking up these old newspaper articles. Like, this is crazy like reading some of these articles and, and sure, maybe, maybe there were some misidentified misidentified bones. Sure, maybe there were a couple of hoaxes. But the more and more articles I found I found these really strange consistencies like massive jaw bones in some case double rows of teeth. You know, just these little subtleties that we're connecting. I'm like, Oh, that other article mentioned this weird anomaly. And here this other discovery is, is making a similar statement. Right. Right. And this was obviously long before internet or anything where a hoax could just, you know, go worldwide and click of a mouse. This was before that. That's the Cahokia mountainsite is only 25 minutes from us and they've there's an old newspaper article where they found two skeletons with double rows of teeth. Yeah, that's interesting. I just was out to Cahokia probably a couple years ago. It was absolutely amazing. But yeah, in my book too. I also get into the nominee anomalies like the double rows of teeth. And in fact, it's mentioned in the Bible. There's a giant in the Bible who is one of the brothers of Goliath who had a double row of teeth and six digits on each hand and on each foot. And David and his warriors, they killed, they killed them off. But it makes specific reference to a giant with with those anomalies. 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I think I've seen some too like in Utah, that if you notice the big hands that have the six digits, they are much bigger or the feet that have six digits they're much bigger than the ones that have five they have like a little hand with five digits and they have this giant hand with six digits. Yeah, like what are the odds of that. Also in love lot cave, there are some researchers MK Davis and Don Monroe, they discovered a huge handprint in love lot cave it was immense and in fact I have a photograph of it in my book, where Don's got like some big knife like a buoy knife and he's holding it up to the handprint and it's massive it's probably 10 times the size of a normal hand, and then they came back I don't know how many months later and and that handprint was completely gone. It was like it was gone. It was erased. It was erased. What do you think or do you know what the tallest documented skeleton ever found was that that we could say is pretty solid. Most of the ones that that I came across in my articles were, you know, eight with a big talk the tall tall ones maybe eight to nine feet, there was a reference and this is crazy. It was in Pennsylvania of a 16 foot alleged 16 foot tall giant found underneath a burial mound and it had the armor it said in the article had a giant helmet and armor like those found in the ancient city of Nineveh. I couldn't find any more information on that. It could have been a hoax but you know what with you know with the Smithsonian coming in and confiscating everything. If something like that was found I mean certainly they're not going to go stick it in a local museum. They're going to they're going to haul it out just like an Indiana Jones, you know, what happened to the arc. They've been working on it and it's all created up along with all the other. Great. Well in the book you mentioned seen again. Could be wrong by thought in the book you mentioned something about 25 foot tall skeleton in Peru maybe. Actually I think there was a huge one like over 20 feet and I think that was here in North America in the desert and I think it wasn't I don't remember if it was a full skeleton but it was like a leg bone. In the early 1800s and some local physicians looked at it and they said, this is the longest leg femur bone we've ever, we've ever found. That would match up with some of these footprints like the footprint that Michael Telinger is standing next to that's like on the wall. I mean that's ancient. South Africa. Yeah, it's amazing and speaking of footprint. Allegedly worn by a red hair giant was 17 inches long. So if you have a 17 inch long sandal and actually that information was sent to me by an anthropologist I was actually in communication with an anthropologist at the Nevada State Museum, and he was providing me some interesting information on the red hair giants. But I started asking too many questions and the communication just stopped, but I did include some of our dialogue it was very interesting, but it was a 17 inch sandal that came out of the cave. That translates into about a shoe size of 29. That's a big foot. Right. Right. So let's take this back even further to it in the book you mentioned dinosaurs and possible reptilian hominids humanoids. Yeah, and there's depictions of these even in old books with dinosaurs right. Yeah. Right. Well, go ahead. Explain. Oh no. Yeah, it was so interesting because I remember as a kid, it was I was doing my research into this. I actually traveled to Mexico, a meta gentleman over there and he was actually a big inspiration for me writing the book his name was Dr Charles Spurgeon. He passed away probably five years ago, but he had sent me some writings on the Nephilim. He was a theologian. He was a ufologist, just a really interesting guy just loved how open minded he was. And he lived in he was living in Mexico at the time but he had, he lived in other parts. He lived in Honduras and did a lot of research into the into the Mayans. But at any rate so I met up with him he took me to some archaeological sites in Mexico and one place he took me to was a museum. It was, it was in a town called a combo. And they have all these figurines of dinosaurs and like look like some of them look like ancient Egyptian sarcophagus is ancient Sumerians. And this weird collection of these ceramic figures that were discovered in the 1940s by a gentleman named Waldemir Jules red he was a local businessman in in that area of Mexico. And he was an amateur archaeologist so he loved that kind of stuff he was out horseback writing one day he looked down at the ground and he saw something protruding out of the out of the ground and got off his horse picked it up. And he started finding these little strange figurines. And so he hired some of the locals to go dig these things up and they were bringing them thousands of these dinosaurs dinosaur looking things humanoid looking things reptilian looking things. And he had a lot of people with them and his house literally got filled up with these these figurines. And so any rate Charles took me to this museum to look at some of these, these ancient figurines and I'm sure you guys have heard of Charles have good of him. Yeah, he actually did some research on he went to Mexico and wanted to see if these were real these figurines where they did if they came from an ancient culture. An unrecognized culture and his research into that he determined that they were legit that these were ancient figurines and so the question is, how did these ancient peoples know what dinosaurs look like, and we're able to make these figurines and depict them. It was a huge question. So it got me thinking like wow this is really really strange and I don't know if you've heard of the ecostones of Peru. Possibly I'm sure I have. I want to say I have. Okay and so those are in the book too those are stones that have depictions of dinosaurs with human interaction and all kinds of weird things they have a stone that shows like these ancient peoples doing like open heart surgery, one of them that has like with a telescope. Those things on these ancient stones that shouldn't be there these depictions according to our history, they shouldn't be there. The dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago right so how, how could our ancestors, you know, have interacted, let alone recorded this. So I just started bringing this together and going this is strange. There's a lot of weird things happening in this particular area of Peru, and then I went to this museum and saw all these strange depictions of dinosaurs. And I saw that the now came across the NAS come mummies and some of those mummies are from Peru and they look reptilian. And it triggered a memory when I was a kid I had a book on dinosaurs and I remember there was a depiction of they called it a dinosaur and it was this scientist in Canada, he speculated like he's like oh, if the dinosaurs didn't all die off 65 million years ago, some of them would have evolved into almost like a humanoid being. And he and so he had a statue made and had elongated head big eyes it had three fingers on its hands. And it happens to look just like one of the NAS come mummies that was found in like 2010 or 2017, excuse me. And he got ridiculed for that speculation. He got ridiculed for that but I have a picture of that depiction of the dinosaur and you can look at it. And I have some photos that I got permission from the Inacari Institute in Peru that actually has those mummies they said I can put it in my book. And you could look at I think it's one of the mummies I think it was Maria is what they call her. And you can look at look at that picture and look at the dinosaur picture and look at just how similar they are. And obviously we hear the tales of reptilians you know yes in the world and all that stuff. Which I there's definitely something to that. But it there's even I think you can even Google an image of a dinosaur footprint next to a human footprint fossilized like there was one of those found in Texas. Even on Google you know I don't know what their mainstream explanation is for that but. Yeah I think it's Palaxi Palaxi Texas and in fact my late friend Dr Charles Spurgeon I think he had sent me a picture one time where he was he was looking at that he was studying that. But yeah, how to explain it. I mean here you have an anatomically correct human footprint next to a dinosaur track I mean I don't know. Yeah, I don't know at the same time that's how you're right yeah. It's pretty obvious to me Occam's razor on that one right I mean it's pretty pretty apparent. Our history is not what we've been told it's not at all. That's why we're rewriting it right now. Absolutely. So where do elongated skulls fit into this picture? Well, that's something that I was just very fascinated with and when I started getting into the section on the E.T. races and start talking about the grays and you know the tall whites and the reptilians. On the section on the grays a lot of them has been described as having more of an elongated head and you know big eyes skinny little bodies and whatnot and I'd always been intrigued with cranial deformation because that's been practiced since ancient times throughout a variety of different cultures and I thought to my well that is so weird like what would make someone say, you know, to their to their wife like hey let's just elongate juniors head. You know just to like okay let's give him this weird look right. So could it be that or could it be like these ancient peoples had some interaction with beings that had elongated heads that had some you know they were either advanced technologically. They had a much higher civilization and they looked at them as being like gods and so what is the best form of flattery. Is imitation is imitation they're like wow we want to be like these things so we want to look like these things. And so you get into the concept of the cradle board and where you would strap the board of the head and or they would take a cloth and they would bind the head. But there are some of these skulls in Peru they've analyzed them they haven't been artificially elongated they were that way naturally they were that way naturally. And while we're on the subject I have this is part of my collect, my personal collection, this is from this is from Peru. This is not a real authentic skull but this is a casting of one of the the Peruvian skulls. You can see just how elongated the skull is turn it from sideways. And on the back on the back of the skull it's different from a homo sapien. There's what's in an in our skulls there's what's called the sagittal suture, which they said looks like a bow and arrow. So this curvature here is like the bow, and there should be a suture going up this way to symbolize the arrow. But if you look on this skull, you don't you just see the bow you don't see the other the other. There's no middle suture. So it's different. In fact, some of the ancient skulls over there, particularly in the ICA region of Peru, they actually have some of them have two holes in the back of their skull. And experts have looked at this and said, wow, that's like a natural thing. That's like an evolutionary process to have these holes. So their heads were so big. So the blood flow could circulate in such big heads. Yes. Yeah. And this is not just Peru. This was global in my opinion. It's global. It's absolutely global. All over Native Americans did it. The ancient Sumerians did it. I mean, it was practice on Europeans did it. So yeah, that really intrigued me. And when I started looking at the Nascom mummies and seeing some of the elongated skulls, I'm looking at these things and they're claiming like these are natural. These aren't artificially elongated. So I'm thinking, wow, if these are real, then this would make sense that these these people's had interactions with other cultures, other civilizations, and they wanted to be like these people. So they wanted to make their heads like that. Right. And the good thing, going back to Graham Hancock show ancient apocalypse, the good thing about that is, for one, it's, you know, forcing people to think outside of the box to there isn't one episode where he doesn't mention giants. Although he refers to everything as folklore myth and legend, not really, he hasn't connected those dots yet. Regardless, it's planning the seat of giants. And this, this tells us that worldwide, all these cultures were talking about living among the giants. Absolutely. Absolutely. And think about it like, you know, dinosaurs were once roaming this planet. I mean, giant lizards, you know, we're roaming this planet. Here's another thing from my collection. This is a recreation of a jawbone of a Giganto pithicus of a giant ape that goes back 2 million years to probably 350,000 years ago this thing was running around. Some of our ancient ancestors had interactions with it, probably the Denise of ends, certainly homo heidelbergenesis did. These things were almost 10 feet tall to give you some perspective. I don't know if you can see it. This is my mouthpiece I use when I practice martial arts. And this is the jawbone of one of these things to give you the perspective of how big these things are massive massive and we're not even getting into the whole concept of Sasquatch and things like that. I mean, there's, I mean, it's, there's so much stuff that we just have not been told and that we really don't have answers for, but it certainly pokes a lot of holes in the, in the dam of knowledge suppression that academics had put before us. Right. And I would argue and argue that and say that we do have answers for a lot of it, actually. We do. Yes. We, like we do not like, yeah, you're not going to get it from the matrix system. Yeah, that's golden manipulated. And there's an agenda there, not in the agenda is not to inform you of the truth. I'm sorry, it's just not. It's not not at all. Yeah, it's how do you control people you control people with fear and you control of keep them ignorant. You keep them down down and you keep them afraid and those are very good tools for manipulation. Exactly. My favorite part about doing research on these types of subjects is that, you know, I firmly believe that once we start, we become guided. We're guided to the next and the next piece of information that we need because this, this literature is out there. These photographs, this evidence is everywhere. And once you go down that rabbit hole, once you start digging, you're led to the next piece and you find things that if you went back two years later to try and find again, you have no idea how you got to that piece of information. So it's really curious how I feel like, you know, we're being helped. We're being guided to help uncover this truth. 100% and this conversation right now is proof of that. Right, absolutely 100%. I had, I have a gentleman at my church, he's a scientist, and what I lent my book to a buddy at my church and I was a little nervous like what he would think about it. And he's like, I love this Floyd and he's starting to lend it out. And I was like, Oh my gosh, he's like, trying to promote me and he gives it to this guy at my church who's a scientist. And I just get a text from him he goes Floyd I'm really interested in your book. I read your book I want to meet for coffee to talk. Great. So who knows what kind of conversation is he going to say maybe I need to be in a padded room. Hey, maybe and I'm okay I'm a big boy you know I'm like hey everyone's got their opinions. Or is he going to find some things in there that really intrigued him. Right. Really intrigued him and we might have some very good conversation. That's what's so important about your book and the work that you're doing because, you know, on this show we just jump straight into deep end most of the time. We've already accepted a lot of this stuff is true and we skip the beginner level stuff we give you know, but your book bridges that gap. And it presents it in a way to where a scientist or anyone can pick it up and digest it and like wow okay there's actually something to this. And that's that's extremely crucial right now because we're not just going to get there. People want to see how you got to your conclusions. Yes. Absolutely and that's why it was really important to me I wanted to write the book. In a way that was entertaining for people, especially people that weren't familiar with with these types of subjects, where they would be able to kind of follow along and I wouldn't lose them. But on the other end too I wanted to write it in an academic form as if I was writing a college paper so I wanted to cite all my sources. I wanted to leave breadcrumbs for people that are really interested to pick up on what I've done and to look and you might you might find things that I missed you you might go down a rabbit hole and come up with things that I didn't even look at. So I wanted to leave a breadcrumb. And your table of contents is incredible. I mean it's all like you have sub chapters within the chapters it's all broken down. 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Call clickgranger.com or just stop by Granger for the ones who get it done. It's very easily to pick that book up and find what you're looking for. Good I'm glad to hear that that's kind of what I was hoping. And it actually led me down a rabbit hole which we'll get into in a little bit but I want to talk about something you mentioned in the book and that's ancient genetic engineering. Oh yeah. Yeah that's how we're here in my opinion. Oh we're here. Yeah it's very interesting and when I was first exposed to that. Actually back when I was in high school a buddy gave me a copy of on Donnegan's book chariots of the gods. I have that. Yeah and I love how he wrote that book because he raises a lot of questions. He's not like saying okay this is how it is. He's just bringing all this stuff up and asking some really great questions and so I kind of wanted to use that format. When I wrote my book and and then years and years later I was led to the works of Zachariah Sitchin, who I found very fascinating on his work on the ancient Sumerian culture. And of course he talks about the Anunnaki and how the Sumerians believe the Anunnaki, you know they came to the earth they were here to mind gold. And they they mixed their DNA with the primitive hominids on this planet and they genetically engineered us that's what the Sumerians believed. So that was my first exposure to the genetic engineering piece, but also too when I started looking at the book of the Enoch. I mentioned referencing in there and how it talks about the watchers who were basically the angels that were supposed to watch over us and protect us. A group of 200 of them made a pact together to basically say hey these women are really good looking let's go have a good time. People will have you know have sex with these women and bear kids and whatever the consequences will bear them and so allegedly this group of angels had sexual unions with the human women. And they bore giants the Nephilim the Nephilim is a proto Hebrew word meaning fallen ones. And then also they taught humankind the arts of war astrology astronomy herbalism all these different arts right that just maybe and I raise a question well maybe maybe humankind wasn't quite ready for all that and and maybe they kind of jump the gun and it's like given a you know a 10 year old car keys credit cards, you know a bottle of whiskey and a gun, right it's going to lead to no good. And so in the book of Enoch it talks about the giants were just ravaging the land they were destroying everything they were killing humans, drinking blood, destroying the earth and they were corrupting the plants and animals. And that's what I was thinking like that's weird so not only were they killing all the humans all fighting amongst each other, but they were corrupting plants and animals. And then I started thinking that sounds almost like kind of genetic engineering type of stuff to me I don't know what do you guys think I just got chills me said that so I feel I feel like there's something to it. Plants and animals. How else do you corrupt exactly so so it and it's referencing referencing that in the book of Enoch and, and then there was a study that came out, I don't know probably five or six years ago, Fleischmann I think was his name I think he was a German scientist, but he took I think there was 10, 10 Egyptian mummies and they wanted to do DNA testing on all these, all these mummies, and all of them, nine of them came out normal but there was one of them that supposedly the remains of Akhenaten that his DNA out of out of all those things was different. It was different. And, and so Fleischmann looked at that and said wow this is weird. This looks like his DNA could have been manipulated by some advanced civilization and he raised that possibility. That was kind of mind blowing because if you look at depictions of Akhenaten what does he look like, he's got this huge elongated head, he's got this elongated head, and he's got this skinny little, you know little body, almost like a grey kind of And I definitely believe a lot of the Egyptians and any any of these people in ancient cultures, or what's what's someone to even call the demigods I think they were ETS. Yeah, and if you look at it even for even if you look at it from a biblical perspective if you say okay fallen angels came to the earth they they interbred with human beings and produced a hybrid offspring. Well angels aren't from the earth right so technically wouldn't you call them extraterrests they're not from the earth they're ETS right. It's just a different term for the same thing. It's a different term yeah same thing right right. And you know, so you mentioned Akhenaten, this is not really related to giants or maybe it is but even in southern Illinois here I know that it's been Egyptian artifacts found in North America. I've heard that. So, and whether they're legit or not I think they are because we know the guy who actually was holding some of them Harry Hubbard and he says academia won't recognize them that you know he's had some people offer him upwards of $10,000 for a stone you know the artifact the size now why would somebody pay that much for a hoax. History channel even came came to him and did a episode right yeah Walter does a lot of that America unearthed. Yeah it's a great show I love that he's a great show and he's done extensive research on these pre Colombian cultures coming here to America the Egyptians the Phoenicians, the Celts, and also even way before Scott there's a guy named Barry if you don't know who he is I would encourage you to look up his works he came out with a few books one of them was called America BC. America BC Barry fell, he studied ancient languages and he was he was researching all these different sites in America here, where there was Egyptian script. Evidence of Phoenicians being here yeah Barry fell Barry fell FELL. Okay, so you're telling me. Christopher Columbus wasn't the first time though he was late late on the scenes yeah he was way late on the scenes and in fact I from my research I really got into researching the Knights Templar a number of years ago. And through my own research, there are many people that believe that he had married into a family of his father in law was a night, a grandmaster of the Knights Malta, which was basically another version of the Templars. And actually his father in law had given him Templar maps to get to America so so the Templars had already came to America pre Columbus. And if you if you want to look into that look up the Kensington runestone and that's another artifact that Scott Walter has research and authenticated, and that that runestone was here long before Columbus was here. And oak island is living proof that they were here. They were here the amount of artifacts that they have uncovered on that island from the Knights Templar and just Europe in general. Yes, is overwhelming it rewrites history alone. Now whether something's buried there I don't know what do you think. You know I think that there was a great treasure that was there I think it was moved. I think it was maybe kept there for a while and whoever engineered those tunnels and everything obviously they were very intelligent. I think they I think they got the goods and they moved them out of there. There might be a few things left but I think the big treasures. Unfortunately I think they're they're gone. I would like for them to be there. Right. I think they had advanced technology that that's why they were able to create all that in the first place and then there so then it would be super easy for them to move it out of there without right. Well, I agree I think I think there's still something there I feel like there's still something there for them to uncover. It might still be something whether or not it's a some grand treasure who knows I'm sure it was if they went to that extent to bury it then obviously was something pretty valuable. But just the artifacts alone though that they're finding makes it verifying. It's rewrite that alone is rewriting history for the mainstream because that's on the history channel for the world to see like okay like the story of Columbus like why are we even celebrating that anymore. But in my opinion it's also funny that they're trying to dig from the top down like if there's a total network there's an entrance that's not. Right, you know if you're trying to get to an underground base in the mountain, you don't start digging at the top of the mountain. You look for an entrance start digging down and some of those old maps to some of those old maps and literature talk about entrances at the shore. So I'm like what are you guys looking here for but it's still entertainment but the show. It's a fun show I haven't watched it a long time but you would mention ancient technology Aaron and in my book I talk about T.O. T. Wacom which is a city in Mexico that I went to call the place where men become gods. And if you ever get a chance to visit there it's one of the most incredible sites I think everyone. I want to. Okay so it wasn't it just it's so amazing and there was discovered underneath that site tunnels underneath the pyramids and a sinkhole opened up and an archaeologist Indiana Jones style rope down there had a torch went down into these tunnels and found all kinds of artifacts but the most interesting thing he found were these spheres that contain liquid mercury they contain liquid mercury right. And so what what is what is the significance of that wall well archaeologists will tell us oh well they use liquid mercury like as a scrying device like they would look in the liquid mercury and they would try to predict the future right like a crystal ball kind of thing. Okay is that possible well maybe but what I found interesting and I talk about it in my book is that if you get mercury so cold if you get it to a certain point. It will produce anti gravity properties right will produce anti gravity properties I think on ancient aliens one time they did a demonstration where they had this like a magnetic track and the guy filled like a puck. And it was with something that was equivalent to liquid mercury they couldn't actually use liquid mercury because it was so toxic but something equivalent to it they got it so cold. And this thing is floating around the track I saw around and around and around and they even put an object in front of it. And it stops and it goes around it and it goes around and around and they asked and they said well conceivably if you could keep this mercury at a cold enough point could you create a craft that would produce anti gravity properties. And then that scientist opinion he said yes, yeah absolutely right. And that's probably one of many methods of creating. Yeah, right. That's just one. That's just one. Yeah. And there's lots. And what were the ancient civilizations doing what they, well we know, you know, right. They were advanced themselves. And that's why there's those same cultures. That's why there's so many similarities all over the world. It's like the same structures here, you know, because it might have been the same people. With sound you can you can lift objects. Yes. Alone with sound with frequencies. Very true. Right. That's a coral castle. That's amazing. You can go on Amazon and buy a little box that, you know, puts out a frequency and something will flow above it. You know, incredible. Yeah, but they're so all this technology, it's kind of being trickled out, but it's being trickled out into these useless gadgets. Like it's not being integrated into our infrastructure and where we need it. It's so true. And in fact, not only useless gadgets, but they make the gadgets the point where they call it. I forget the term, but it's so they break down. They don't even last long. So you have to replace a planned obsolescence. So the useless gadgets and then they don't even last long. So you're constantly having to consume and consume and consume and consume. It's just such a waste. Right. So your book doesn't just cover giants. You talk about little people. Little people. Doors, the moon eyed people that only come out at night. Yeah. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Absolutely. So this is wild because I was just looking at these old newspaper articles on giants. And I came across other newspaper articles on anomalous finds. And one of them that I came across was in Tennessee on a farm. Allegedly, like 75,000 of these little skeletons, these little people. No, no taller than three feet were found on this farm. And then I started looking into it, looking into the Native American. Oral histories and most of the tribes, they talk about giants and they talk about little people. So that's common in their, in their histories as well. And then I was looking into the discovery in the early 2000s on the, on florist island in Indonesia of the florist habit. Have you guys heard of, heard of that? From your book. Yeah, from the book and it's these little, in a giant, a giant cave, Leung Bao. I'm not sure if that's how it's pronounced as cave on this island of florist in Indonesia. They found these little skeletons and they were no, no taller than three feet tall. And they were intelligent. They found tools. They knew how to make fire. Their brain was smaller than a chimpanzee, but yet they were able to do all these things. And in fact, they think that they were hunting Komodo dragons. Like how bad ass is that? Little people like 30 feet tall, right? With their little spears going after these Komodo dragons because they actually found some remains of Komodo dragons in their cave. Like they had killed them. I mean, it's no different than a Native American hunt in the mastodon. No kidding. Exactly. They just knew how to do it. They, they, over the, you know, the knowledge, tribal knowledge, they figured out how to do it. And then that was passed on to the, to the younger generation. Right. Now you mentioned the moon eyed people. Was that what you call them? Yeah. They were called the moon eyed people that natives believe that there was a group of little people. They lived underground and they would only come out at night because the sunlight hurt their eyes. And they had, they had big eyes and they would, they would keep them into the underground. And it's interesting because in a lot of Native American history, oral tradition about little people and even about giants, they say, a lot of them say they lived underground. Yeah. That's what they live. Correct. That's all over the world and a lot of these cultures. I mean, it makes the most sense actually. Absolutely. And in South America, apparently there's countries over there that have extensive tunnel systems that goes for hundreds and hundreds of miles underground. Yeah. Have you heard of the Aleutias? I think they're called in Mexico, the little people. Aleutia. The name sounds, tell me more about it. The name sounds kind of familiar. My friend was born and raised in Cancun and he told me about this legend. And if you go down, if you go to Mexico, there's these altars everywhere on the side of the road. These will alter. Sometimes they're big. So the whole thing is if you don't bless your land and get permission from the Aleutias, the little people that your land will be cursed. The job site will be cursed. Everything will go wrong. And this is like, they believe that they don't just believe it. Like the government will even like they even built an altar before they build like an airport. I mean, even like officials recognize this. And his family members and himself and everybody he knows, they claim to literally see these things running around. Sometimes you can catch them out of the corner of your eye. And it's proven over and over again, if you don't put an altar up, like something goes wrong. That land is literally cursed. And there was a bridge at the Cancun airport that I forgot how many times the brand new bridge collapsed. Like three or four times before they finally built this huge altar and then the bridge. And it didn't. Yeah. Wow. That is very, very fascinating. No, I haven't heard about those, but it's interesting what you're talking about because it parallels some of the things when I was researching the little people, the Native Americans gave them different names. And they said, if you were disrespectful to them, like they would be mischievous. They would put a curse on you. Some of the tribes would leave out food for them or like tobacco as like an offering to them because they didn't want to get on their bets. So that's really interesting, Tyler, to hear you tell that story. And then it kind of parallels what I came across. And I know a few people locally and that claim to see little people in the St. Charles area. Really? Yeah. My dad was actually sending me texts the other day of some of his friends who claim to have experiences with these little people. That's where I grew up. Yeah. So, I mean, who knows what's actually going on and would only make sense that they're coming from on the ground. Yeah. Also too, there was, in my research in Tennessee, there was some college, when it was being built, or they were adding on to it, adding on to the college, they found a tunnel system underneath the college. Yeah. And the Native Americans in that area said the little people were in that area, and there was a person that worked at the college that claimed they found a skull of a little person. And it was actually kept on the someone, one of the professors kept it on their desk, the skull on their desk. Wow. I mean, at this point, I can believe anything. Nothing surprises me. Yeah. Something else, this is a little side note, but it just popped into my head. So have you seen a movie called Troll on Netflix? It's a brand new movie about. I have not, but it's someone had mentioned that to me, but I have actually way better than you think, and it tells a history of giants, Norwegian, like giants, or Norris, yeah, whatever. And it's really, there's actually a lot of disclosure, in my opinion, in that movie about these ancient giants. This one guy is a researcher, and he has done extensive research over the years, and he has a whole shack in the middle of nowhere with all of his findings. 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And the reason they chose that location was because they said it was good luck to build on top of another king's home. Now I'm starting to think about other sites around the world. In Egypt, they say that they would come in and deface it and rewrite history, but maybe that's not the case. Maybe they built on top of it because it was considered good luck. And then in Graham Hancock's show in Chumba, whatever the, I forgot what that site is, but they found like five different civilizations that built on top of each other. And in my opinion, these massive sites weren't just random sites, this is like the king's home. And they were building on top of the king's home as good luck. So true, I believe you're onto something there. And I've also heard the term ancestral worship, like that's stuck, it's a spiritual site for them. And so they're going to build on top of that build. And somehow, some of these cultures might have rituals where they, where they try to connect with the spirits at that site. Yeah. Right. And in Chichen Ita, same thing, you have a pyramid built on top of a pyramid. Yeah. And it's probably a vortex or a lay line. Well, the reason that area was chosen originally, probably for that reason. Yeah, there's probably an energetic significance. And if they knew about that, if they had that knowledge, yeah, then there's an island off the coast of Italy. And I think I'm going to write about this in my second book called Sardinia and that has a lot of legends of giants on that island. And they have amazing ancient architecture on there called Cyclopean architecture, right? What is the Cyclops, it was a giant. It was one eye. So the very term Cyclopean architecture. You know, it's like, Hey, these people, they were a big people, a race of giants, built these things. But there was a culture there, they were called the Naraje, and they were a warrior culture. So as they would build on these ancient stone structures that allegedly had the burials of the giants, and they would do, they would do like their rights of passage for manhood would be at these sites. So whoever was going to this young young boy that was becoming a man would go through this process is ritual, but it was to connect with the spirit of the giant that was buried underneath them. So it kind of goes back to what you're saying, Tyler, about there's so much more purpose on these sites building one on top of the other on top of the other, like at a deeper level at a spiritual level. Yeah, and as soon as they said that in the movie a click, I'm like, Oh my God, that makes perfect sense. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to check out that movie and I've got a movie for you guys and your listeners that are interested in the whole love lot cave. There's a movie that came out it's a Western horror flick it's called bone tomahawk is with Kurt Russell, and it's a dark horror Western, and it has to do with a tribe that is very similar to the red haired giants but they're going to be like the rogulytes in the movie, and I'm not going to give it give any more away. They're not they're not giants, but everything else about them is like the red haired giants but it's a very interesting movie. Yeah, it's called bone tomahawk with Kurt Russell what inspired that tale. Yeah, absolutely like I'm thinking like yeah the writers of this they they probably knew that knew the legend of the red haired giants. And what I want to talk about your book is you go from giants to ET's reptilians to tall whites. Yeah, and you're segmenting on the tall whites actually led me to a documentary that I watched walking with the tall whites and with Charles. Charles is a jaint Charles James Hall. Yes. And he actually reached out to him already to see if we can get him on the show by the way. Yeah, cool. But that, that story is incredible. You know he was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base in the 60s and claims do have been working with tall whites and that the government is working with tall whites. Can you, you could probably tell that story better than I can. Well yeah he just worked at this Air Force base and he had heard rumors of some strange going going on there. And he was out at a weather shack I believe, and kind of a remote area on the base and he actually started to encounter these tall white ones. I think he saw a little girl. And he looked at her and is like that's not, that's not like a human, that's not like a human child that's something else and then he's I think he saw the father come and get the child. And then he started having these interactions with these, these tall whites and some of them were like, I think like a seven foot eight foot tall, and he said that they could communicate telepathically. And he said that they, they could live like hundreds and hundreds of years. If they were wounded or they had an injury it took them an incredibly long time to heal. But basically that they were working with our government in some capacity. Yeah, which I thought was incredible. I mean either this guy is completely out of his mind which I don't think is the case. He's like a very intelligent individual. Very credible individual and just how he articulates his story. He's a nuclear physicist to I believe he's a pretty intelligent grounded person. Yeah. And just an incredible, incredible story. I was amazed that's how I got introduced I saw that documentary as well, and was just very intrigued on that whole subject and then I found out that the document dump that Snowden released. And I'm like, what, like this is crazy. And like our government interaction with these, these beings called the tall whites. And just to clarify the way he describes the tall whites aren't like I imagined them originally I imagined like a tall grave with a long neck and you know, right. So he describes them as human looking. Yes, with paper white skin. Yes, and really thin hair. He said they have very thin hair kind of blondish almost yeah almost whitish hair. And very, very skinny very almost frail. Yeah. And he described them the reason they took so long to heal because they're not from this planet you know they're not used to our environment. Even a bee sting could be deadly to them. Yes. And, and his testimony is incredible. He talks about so this was in the 60s. He said before he left, they were in talks with the government. There was a series of uninhabited planets that they basically handed over to us or gave us access to and ask our government, our military if we could build outpost on those planets. Right. And in exchange for whatever technology or whatever else they were doing with us. Now if they were planning that in the 60s, this was before we ever went to the quote went to the moon. Yeah, that would tell you that they they couldn't have made that agreement unless they had technology to get to those planets. Right. And like even in the documentary he says he wonders what progress was ever made on that project. And I would not be surprised if that's exactly what happened and that was that they followed through with it. Yeah, it's just mind blowing. It really is. It's like I got I got to the point in my book where it kind of started writing itself. I would just come across some information and then it would lead me down another rabbit hole. My my section on, on the on the E. T. races was really inspired by my friend Charles because he had, he was a urologist too and he had sent me a paper on on that subject and he talked a little bit about the grays and the tall whites and the reptilians and I never really researched that. And I thought, wow, I'm really going to look into this, and it was, it was fun for me and it was a way for me to kind of honor him too, because my reference some of his works. And right. And another thing I learned from your book, I might have heard this in the past, but I completely forgot about it was this lost city of reptilians under Los Angeles. Yeah, isn't that crazy. Can you tell that story because that's actually really fascinating. Yeah, that was an article I came across. I think it was back in the 1930s, a gentleman who had developed some x ray machine and he had, I guess, got the information from a hobby. A chief chief green leaf that basically said yeah there's all these tunnels under Los Angeles and it's inhabited with they were constructed by these reptilians. They came from Mexico that had to flee that had to flee their area and they use some kind of strange chemicals to carve these these caves and caverns. And they have a city under underneath Los Angeles and this guy was so intrigued that he used his x ray machine and claim that he had mapped out these tunnels underneath the underneath the city, and actually was working with the city to do this expedition. And he started drilling down I don't know how far down they got maybe 10, 20 feet, and then they ran out of money and they couldn't, they couldn't go any further but obviously I mean he had this firm belief that there are these reptilian reptilian city underneath Los Angeles So obviously it's in the, in the native tradition as well in fact on a sawsy talk about a reptilian being that showed up to their people, it was evil, and it was teaching their medicine men how to practice witchcraft And it basically brought their civilization down, and then it led to some cannibalism and they were doing practicing this witchcraft, and, and it opened up portals and guess what came out of the portals, giants, and the giant started tearing everything up killing and And, and then I'm thinking wow this sounds almost like the book a Enoch when Enoch said that the giants were running around destroying everything, drinking blood and this and that, and I was like wow this sounds kind of similar to that. So I think the Anasazi I think that's the story told of what happened to the people of Chakra Canyon. It is that they left because of the giants, you know archaeologists will say oh they left because of climate change because of the droughts or whatever But in my book I reference a native American guide in that book for that, that area and he says if you ask or ask my great grandfather he would say it's not climate change that drove him out. It was a giants, and that's why the early archaeologists would go into these structures, these pueblos, and they would find like really good supplies and stuff that had just been abandoned. And you know it's like why would they leave all this good stuff, why would they leave all their stuff does all their stuff. Yeah, if it was climate change or whatever they would have still brought that stuff with them. But if they were under duress if they were under attack and they were being slaughtered well it's like let's just take what we can carry on our back and get out of here. Right, going back to the LA city and reptilians or tunnel. Not only did he claim to depict tunnels with his x-ray machine but he said he found caverns with deposits of gold too correct gold tablets pair apparently that had information on them about the whole, our whole history of the human civilization are race. So it's knowledge base too it just wasn't treasure based it was knowledge base, but you'll hear these stories you know like you know the great Sphinx the let was at the left paw of the Sphinx are supposedly a hidden chamber there that had the records the ancient records of our civilization. You hear Graham Hancock's you know his theory is the pyramids were built some of these big structures were built to as repositories for this ancient knowledge that was either destroyed or was lost or it was moved somewhere else. Under the Vatican. Oh yeah, imagine how much stuff they have right yeah there are miles and miles if anything is true that we've heard from what's under the Vatican I mean it's it's that in itself will change history. I'm going to get into that in my second book when I get into the Sardinia on the giants there because I already on my research. I've uncovered people that live on Sardinia that the church actually hired to do excavations and they found giant skeletons and they would bring them into the church and leave them, and then they would come the next day and the bones are gone. So, really, actual people that claim they were doing excavations and found these things. Well looking forward to that second book. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Going back to the Chaco Canyon one last time and then we'll start wrapping this up but sure. The, I don't know if you've ever heard of the wing makers. So there was a cave near Chaco Canyon it's undisclosed, where they allegedly found a bunch of alien artifacts. And, and apparently these artifacts were left by like an ancient group of time travelers and it wasn't just this cave, but like a number of caves around the world, or I don't actually know the, the true story I don't have all the details but some something like that. And I find it interesting that it was near Chaco Canyon and very interesting clearly clearly that was built by an advanced civilization. And that's very fascinating I have not heard of that and, and you relaying that to me also triggers a memory to getting back to the Nazca mummies. How those came to be known was the grave robbers brought them forward to an archaeologist and they thought they were so important like it's like, instead of putting these on the black market making some money we feel these are so important that humanity needs to know about them. And, and the head of the Hano Queros, the group of grave robbers that they gave him the mummies, he said he knows where the whole, there's a whole underground tunnel complex with tons more of these mummies. And who knows what else is in there, really, right. And well that also, going back to the wing makers in that cave it wasn't just artifacts but it was tablets, it was that were found with information and all that stuff is on the wing makers website actually. I'm going to have to check that out I've not heard of that. There's a bunch of different versions of the wing makers website, but people, because it's been updated over time, but depending on who you talk to you they recommend going to the original one that hasn't been updated, because none of the information has been tampered with. So I'll send you that link and I would love it. You have to put it in the description too because people listening, but I don't want to look it up. Absolutely, that might, that might go my second book there's some information right there looks worth of information on that website. And so this guy who claimed to work for this group broke free and, and he did a few interviews with this lady before he, he knew part of part of the deal was if you quit your position at this for this secret. Government he was working for. I think he said they would literally blank slate you mind wipe you. So before he quit, he could no longer participate in the cover up before he quit he went and found the journalist and did a few interviews with her told her everything. And there's no way to contact her even on the website said you cannot there's no contact information at all interesting whatever happened to this guy if you really did get blank slate it or what who knows but it's an incredible story. I'm here to look forward in dig into that thank you so much. Yeah, and that's just that's amazing the synergy the exchange, you know of knowledge and, you know, just like what you said I had no idea about that story and now it's something I'm going to look into and who knows where where that's going to go. Talk about, you know, you know how I found out about the wing makers I had a dream that I was part of a group of time travelers and I was called the wing makers. That's wild. And then I stumbled across a doctor solid interview where the guy was talking about it. And then something else came into my awareness it just kept showing up to where I finally just had to go read the whole website so incredible. It's interesting how we're guided to the stuff. Yes. Let people know how they can find your book where they can find it. I'm absolutely if you'd like to purchase my book you can find it at book baby calm. Because I'm a self published author a book baby does an awesome job at really supporting self published author so I would encourage you to go there to get it also you could find it on Amazon or Barnes and Noble as well. I do have a website the ancient giants.com and it has more information a little bit information on my background and my research that I'm doing. Great awesome that's we'll put all those links below. Guys go check out this book hold it up Aaron so you can see what it looks like. Get a little closer. It's really I mean if you enjoyed this interview you'll enjoy the book there's no there's no doubt in my mind super good. Thank you guys so much. I mean what an honor and a pleasure to be here to thanks thanks to you both and thanks to your audience for having me. I could I could sit here and talk to you guys for hours like easily like all this time it seems like we've been talking for five minutes. Right. Exactly. Same to you man. And you know there's no doubt in my mind we'll we'll do this again for sure. Absolutely. Especially you know you got another book coming out so there's plenty to talk about you know we could yeah I do another episode just on this book alone. Oh yeah. Yeah absolutely thanks so much you guys what a pleasure much love and peace to you both and and happy new year coming up and hopefully it's going to be a good year much better than what we had right. It's going to be exactly what it's supposed to be what it's supposed to be right. Yeah, thank you guys so much for tuning in. Thank you, Lori for joining us. Thank you man. This was a lot of fun. Pleasure. 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