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EP 217 - Andrew Basiago: Tales of a Time Traveler-Project Pegasus - Mars Missions - Massive Cover Up

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Andrew Basiago:
Andrew Basiago, J.D., is a licensed attorney with the State of Washington who claims to have participated in classified programs involving time travel and space time portals since 1967 when he was 6 years old. He was exposed into these programs by his father who worked for a major engineering corporation that was given contracts to develop these exotic technologies — the Ralph M. Parsons company. From 1969 to 1972, Andrew says he was formally recruited into a time travel project called Pegasus that was funded by the CIA and the forerunner to the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency.

Duration:: 2h 14m
Broadcast on:: 02 Aug 2024
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And I highly recommend going back and watching all those. I think it was a four part series where he got in depth. He got into his testimony in depth and they really covered some great ground there. And we're going to, for the sake of not repeating all the old same interviews, we're going to get into some new stuff today. So if you really want to hear his full story, you can go back and check out those interviews. I recommend it. But welcome to the show, Andrew. Good to be with you. Yeah, great. We're glad to have you. I've been looking forward to this one. Just for the people who don't know who you are. Would you mind just giving a brief synopsis of your testimony and how you ended up here talking about this stuff today? Well, I basically, you know, my standard biography that I'm using now. Because I've lived in a, I'm 61 and I've lived an accomplished life. But basically what I've been saying is that I'm the American lawyer. I'm admitted to the Washington State Bar Association and the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington. Writer, media personality, public speaker. And presidential candidate, best known for serving as a U.S. chrononaut in project Pegasus during the advent of time travel and project Mars during the advent of interdimensional travel. So I've appeared on national television in six countries on radio in 15 countries. Primarily discussing the two things that I think were sort of my obligation to impart during my lifetime because they involved very unusual experiences that I think were actually of historical significance. One was serving in DARPA's project Pegasus at the inception of time travel. We've had eight modalities of time travel by 1970. And I was involved in all of them. I was one of the children involved. And in that capacity, a lot happened. I became the American time traveler who went back in time to advise General George Washington in August of 1776 to retreat his troops from New York Harbor, which has always been a historical mystery. I can solve that mystery for David McAuliffe and other writers about the revolutionary period by describing what happened, which is that the U.S. government in the 70s sent kids back to advise Washington. That's a true story. Also in that capacity, I became the first American child to Tesla teleport. In 1967-68, when I jumped through a Tesla teleporter at the old Curtis right aeronautical company facility in Woodridge, New Jersey and popped out a few seconds later in Santa Fe, New Mexico. And doing such time travel, I was the first time travel from the future found in a photograph from the past because when I was sent to the day Lincoln gave the Gettysburg address and the location where he gave it in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, I was photographed. In fact, it was really a miracle that I was because something like 95% of Civil War photographs were destroyed after the war when the panes of glass were used for greenhouses and they just faded in the sun. So I'm in Ken and Rick Burns, the Civil War because the U.S. government sent me back to Gettysburg, primarily as a favor or as a treat, kind of a reward for serving well in the project from 1968 to '72. That was in 1972 and I didn't contact Lincoln, but I'm in the so-called Josephine Cobb image of Lincoln at Gettysburg. I'm in the left front foreground of that prominent photograph and Lincoln is sort of right over my shoulder, right at the back of the photograph standing on the dais, probably sitting down upon arriving on the dais. Right. And I served. That's the photo I'm using for the thumbnail for this video, actually, so people can go and check that out. Yeah, that was identified by me, you know, as me, by my father who had connections as a Defense Department engineer to basically all agencies and departments of the Intel community and the military. So that's not disputed. That's been known and identified essentially by CIA since 1972. In fact, when I showed that in a popular American news magazine to my late father, Raymond, at our home in Mars, Ponce, New Jersey, I said, "Look dad, when you all sent me to Gettysburg, they got my picture of me." And he looked at it as he was reading his Sunday, New York Times on his easy chair and kind of pursed his lips and said, "Yep, just don't talk about it." So the U.S. government is known for over 50 years that that is me from 1972 in that famous November 19th, 1863 photograph. And as a result, that is the only photograph in the national archives of our great country that has been classified. And up until like 2007, it was the only known photograph of Lincoln in Gettysburg on the day he gave the Gettysburg address there. So that is, I'm not kind of providing some kind of urban legend. I had arrived before I brought all this stuff forward. I had, for example, as a young man at age 25, written for Captain Jacques Cousteau. In fact, I was offered an opportunity to ghostwrite for Captain Cousteau. And I said, "No, if I'm going to be in Clipso log and Clipso dispatch, I'd rather have my name on my writing," which I ended up doing. At the same time, I was working with the prominent American editor, Norman Cousins, a former speech writer for President Kennedy. And at the end of that three year period of being a colleague of Normans, he nominated me to be the editor of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists at like 25 years of age. Then I went on to go, you know, complete my education at UCLA, go to law school and get my JD at Lucent Clark Law School in Portland, then I picked up a master of city and regional planning with distinction at Cal Poly slow. And then as a result of my planning work in California, which was pretty advanced, I did, for example, specific plans for San Luis Obispo County, California, San Diego County, California. I was sent to Cambridge for a year where I studied land economy under Professor Malcolm John Grant, who is now Sir Malcolm John Grant. And in that capacity, I became the 280th American to graduate from Magdalene College University of Cambridge since the year 1428. So I'm just citing those accomplishments just to contextualize the fact that I had arrived professionally long before I came forward. And I was practicing law as George and Ori on coast to coast to am used, always like to say. So I had arrived. There was no reason to make up urban legends or. You know, personal. Stories that were not true. They were true. And I was bringing them forward. You know, because for a number of reasons. One is as somebody from, you know, graduating from UCLA with a BA in American history. I thought that what I had done was important. For example, the American physicists that my dad never working with on Project Pegasus was Dr. Harold M. Agna was essentially the quintessential Project Manhattan physicist, as well as other people like Dr. Edward Teller, you know, at the Los Alamos National Labs. And I also realized that if we're going to have a world better than what Governor Jerry Brown of California stated, which is, you know, 10 to 12 billion human beings, you know, crawling all over each other like ants in an ant colony. If overpopulation and environmental decline and energy decline really impacts us. I believed that I had a moral obligation to come forward and describe the benefits of Tesla teleportation. Right. So for example, every year in this country, we lose as many people to accidental death and have as many grievous injuries, 50,000 deaths, 300,000 grievous injuries from automobiles, which is the people that we lost and who were severely injured in all 13 years of the Vietnam War. So I thought, wait a minute, if we can get people around the around the country and world in seconds rather than many hours, like in commercial passenger planes, we're really going to improve the quality of life for our fellow Americans and other citizens of our world and we're going to confront the carbon crisis in an intelligent way rather than our sort of restrictive energy trading kind of scam. And so I really felt compelled to come forward at least on the Tesla teleportation because I felt we're going to be needing it and that I was one of the only surviving members of the program that applied it and essentially, you know, reduced it to practice and achieved it. My dad had asked me to tell the story because he said we were involved in something great. So in 1989, a year before his death, he asked me to come forward after his death and tell my immediate family and then tell the world. And that's what I've been doing now for 20 years. Yeah, and we appreciate that. And your recall is incredible. Your memory is incredible. I know a lot of people, like I can't remember details of like anything that happened in my, like when I was 10 and you have this incredible recall of all that stuff. But I wanted to get into the modalities of time travel that you talk about, the eight different types. Right. Because I heard you talk about it in the past, like I believe the Tesla teleporter or one of them, you could only go back in time. You couldn't go back in time before the machine was invented or you'd never be able to come back or something along those lines. Right. But those things we don't think about. And then there's eight or seven different other modalities. And I was wondering if you could touch on what some of those were. Okay. Well, the first one was remote viewing, which basically is psychic time travel, where you're seeing something at a distance, locationally and or in terms of time. So I was working as remotely kids brought into Project Pegasus as a remote viewer for the Office of Naval Intelligence. Beginning in fall of 1969. I remember one of the things we were asked to do. We were shown the Ensign, you know, an app plus graduation for the Lieutenant Commander, John Sidney McCain, who of course would become a prominent U.S. Senator from Arizona. And we were shown his picture when he graduated. And we were shown a photograph from ground view of one of the buildings at the POW compounded Vietnam known as the Hanoi Hilton. And we were asked to go home for a week and dream about where John was being kept by bad people somewhere in the world and then tell them a week later what we had dreamed about. So that I believe was to either blow up the Hanoi Hilton to either kill Lieutenant Commander McCain or rescue him. Because his father, of course, John Sidney McCain, Sr. was the commander of the entire Pacific Fleet of the U.S. Navy. So most of us began as remote viewers for the O&I. And we would actually have another Lieutenant Commander, you know, from Washington, D.C. come to my school, Mount View Road School in Morris Plains, New Jersey, and have us do remote viewing. And that was one of the tasks I remember that we did. And when it was a military task like that, we were never told how right we were. I tried to connect with Senator McCain in 2008 when he was running for president to talk about that. But he simply was not successful at doing that, unfortunately. But we were, you know, I like to say that all of us began as remote viewers for O&I. We were small mediums at large. And then we were doing, they were spinning us to induce out-of-body experiences where we had kind of astral time travel. And I remember one time when I got to sort of this physical limit of my ability to go forward out of body, there was kind of like this railroad trestle or bridge. And when I told the lady from DARPA, which of course was working with us, they were handling us when we were in Pegasus as time travelers and doing the experiments on kids, she said to me regarding that weird black sort of railroad bridge that I couldn't see when I was out of body, yes, Andy, others in the program are reporting that. We think it's the infrastructure generating the hologram in which we find ourselves. We're calling it the matrix. Now that was what, 29 years before the Wachowski brothers released the first of the trilogy of the matrix series with Keanu Reeves. That's an example of how information and ideas from the Intel community and from the military have been dropped in science fiction, films, TV shows, books, short stories and so forth, even probably some of today's podcasts since during and after World War II. So that was the second type was going out of body. Then there was a divide. One second, I'm going to ask you a follow-up question on that. You said they were spinning you. What do you mean by that? Were you like strapped to a table and they were spinning you at a high rate of speed or what was that? Yeah, yeah, we were strapped to a table with our head towards the center of this round table on a stylus. And we were looking up at ball strapped in so we couldn't, you know, be injured by being dislocated from that table. We were strapped in on our like our, our shoulders and knees. And we were looking up at what looked like sort of a. What was that program by Rod Steiger? Twilight Zone, you know, the Twilight Zone spiral. Yeah. Yeah. So as we were spinning and our head was in the middle, we were taught to look up at that sort of time. What was it again? The spiral. Yeah, the name of the show again. Twilight Zone. Twilight. Twilight Zone. It's been too long since I've seen it. Anyway, so we were looking up at that. That spiral image. And which clearly showed it had been used for a long time because it was kind of on a poster that was full of old cellophane tape and just very ancient looking like they had used it for 30 years. And we were taught to just sort of soften our gaze. And when we would, we would sort of space out and then drop down seemingly for a couple feet. And then we would pop out of body and actually go through the ceiling of the school and up into these higher astral realms. Yeah. And I think it could have been a Twilight Zone image, but I just think it was just a weird spiral that they were using for that purpose. And I think I've seen something along those lines depicted in a show or movie at one point, but my memory is not serving me right now. But I definitely think that's been depicted before. And it makes sense. So what was the third modality that you experienced? Well, the third is what's come to be called the Montauk chair. But the Montauk project Montauk was launched like 14 or 15 years later. Like in 1983. Unlike the 40 year return. From the. The Philadelphia experiment of 1943. August 12th of 1943. So we were in something being called the chair. It was being set up by this young postdoc at our school. Named David. It may have been a young doctor David Lewis Anderson, the time travel authority of today. Or one of the major ones. And we would basically be put on this. Sort of almost like dental chair. And the original one had kind of like. Was kind of nogahide orange. And then the second one was kind of this knit. Brown gold and black fabric. There's basically the same kind of chair you'd sit in at the dentist. And it had. Kind of a. A solenoid or a cathode ray tube. At our feet that was kind of like on a fish hook that pointed it towards our face. There was kind of a photographers umbrella above our head. And what that would do. Would be to kind of space us out. And we would again feel like we were dropping and then going up. But instead of continuing to up up up up up up, but like when you're going out of body. We would start going forward feet first. Almost like a lose ride, you know, in sport. And I think that's what it seemed like and when I've seen things. In more conventional reality. And we would ultimately cross this sort of black shiny plane. And then we would see something on the horizon. And then it would get closer and closer. And then we would slam into it. And we were entering a subjective moment of our own future. At least possible futures. Because I've noticed that some of those things have happened. And I've gotten these weird days of experiences where what I saw in the Montauk chair has been played out in real time. And some of the experiences I saw clearly have not happened. But I remember one time, for example, coming back to our main classroom with this young friend of mine, David, in the program. He said to me like one of those little kids and one of a William Hamilton cartoon in the New Yorker, you know, kids. He said, so who were you this time? And I turned him and confidently said as we're walking along. I was a lawyer in Seattle. And I mean, I was in New Jersey at that time. I had one uncle living in California. I had never been to Washington except one time they had us teleport to Fort Lewis and back again to New Jersey just to get use, you know, under teleporting across the country. I had not vacationed or traveled anywhere to Washington State, which has become my adopted state where I'm admitted to the federal and state bar. But I was talking about that like in 1970 when I was nine, maybe a year later, 71 when I was 10, at least after September of 71, I don't know exactly the dates on these things, but I do have the order of operations. So that was the third one. And then they started Tesla teleporting us as a group. When I and some of the other kids had already done so with our fathers. So beginning like in 6970. Jack Pruitt who would later become the research director of Project Montauk, he was one of the major team leaders for DARPA and for LANL on Project Pegasus. He took us up to Curtis Wright and explained to us how we're going to be jumping through this elliptical object with radiant energy flowing down across the surface of the two elliptical booms or armatures as they were called. There would be squiggles of bluish green light at about three inch intervals going back and also the other direction. That's the right end to the left across that radiant energy. And when we jumped through that energy, which we had to do at least a meter per second to not lose an arm or a leg or be killed, which we trained a lot to leap through the device, the so-called teleporter or Tesla energetic array. We would find ourselves in this big tunnel that had like a, you know, blade triangular shape. It was almost circular, but it was sort of circular with like three sides of the circle and, you know, no blade triangle rather than a circle, which may relate somehow to Tesla's comments about three, six and nine, sort of the triangular nature of the physical universe. And we would go through that and, you know, it was sort of holographic. It was kind of bluish white. If we look to the side, we would sometimes see intervening events. But in several seconds, we would, we would pop out in the New Mexico State Capitol grounds in Santa Fe. And in fact, the side of the baton memorial building where the steps now are in those years, the steps up into the baton memorial building was on the plaza in front of those buildings when you come in from the parking lot. But now it's over on the right side. Well, that right side of the baton memorial building where you can like walk back and find the NEA building, the National State Capitol area of Santa Fe, was where they were trying to put us down. Because I guess they figured that, look, they did say, my dad said to me that they didn't want to do it at Lannel because they were afraid that somebody there such as a KGB spy who had been present at the labs, as they were called, Lannel would see something. So I think that their intent was to allow kids and adults to pop in the view via Tesla teleportation. And people just think, oh, that kid just ran around the corner of that building. And also, if you visit the New Mexico State Capitol in Santa Fe, it's very sort of picturesque and picarask. It's like every building is from a different era and a different shape and design. So I guess they figured that the Santa Fe State Capitol grounds were such a hodgepodge of unusual buildings that that would also help disguise our arrival via a teleportation where we would just pop into view. And when I did my three major fact-finding trips in New Mexico in 2003, '48, I found both children, a former employees of the labs, the Los Alamos National Labs, and people, for example, who went to like kindergarten in Santa Fe, who saw the children popping into view. And I was saying things to them like, my God, I was one of those kids. And I guess it would be there. There were actually witnesses. So it seems like the early modalities of time travel were all consciousness related. So you weren't actually physically jumping anywhere until the Tesla teleporter. Well, I don't think it was just consciousness. I think that I think there was a separation of our minds from our bodies. My interpretation of the relationship between quantum physics and us is that the mind controls the spirit that we have that's eternal and going through a series of incarnations to ultimately ascend to a more advanced reality. But the brain controls the body. So I think they were actually calving off the spirit or consciousness from our bodies. So I don't think it was just an induced dreaming or imaginative experience. I think it was literally kind of separating the mind from the body and thereby sending us on spiritual or astral journeys. Certainly the one achieved by the Montauk chair was kind of a pre-cognitive content from our own lives. And when I asked David the postdoc there who was setting up the chair, how are we time traveling in this device? Because our bodies aren't going anywhere. They're just staying back here in the chair. And he said, this is like 1969-70 again. David said to me, like I said, it could have been David Lewis Anderson. He said, we don't know. We have two theories. Either everything that happens to your life is in your mind at birth and then plays out during your lifetime. And we're helping trigger that somehow. Or the, what happens is out there in time waves in the physical universe around you. And we're helping you connect with those future experiences. But I do know that they knew and they confirmed that the Montauk chair had been a device that does that, that provides pre-cognitive flashes of reality for an ET pilot to protect that ET craft from collisions in space when it was traveling at supersonic or even greater speeds. Right. The speed of light and greater even. Well, I'd like to, I mean, so there's so much to cover. I mean, we could spend probably the whole time on all these modalities of time travel. I have so many other questions also. So, but let's, I do, I am curious and I know the audience is curious about these other ways of time traveling because, like, like you said, that when we talked on the phone, like you're not claiming that you're a time traveler, you were a time traveler. And these, this is something that we see all over the place in our society. It's, it's literally pumped into our subconscious mind all time. It's possible. So I think if people understand the ways and the modalities of time travel, it'll help them to identify it. So after the test, after the Tesla teleporter, what, what came next? The next was the cron, the chronic visor over an Eddie and Chamelli. There was a Vatican invention of that device. It worked by putting an EM signal through an eight sided bismuth crystal and a cubicle hologram would pop out on a stage. Now, when you're standing back from that hologram, it was a looking glass device, hence the assertion of a project looking glass, which I cannot confirm. I encountered the chronic visor in, in Project Pegasus and I actually saw father or Nettie at the chronic visor array in Marstown, performing arts center, Marstown, New Jersey. And then, but if you were in the hologram when it was generated or, you know, propagated on the, on the stage, you instantaneously went to that time place, as I call them, that time and place in time space. And so, for example, in summer of '71, my father and I were in New Mexico and we were going to the Cerrios Cultural Center in Cerrios, New Mexico, down Highway 14 from Santa Fe. And they sent me to Ford's Theater on the night Abraham Lincoln was shot there, April 14th of 1865, seven times, or, you know, excuse me, eight, eight times. Now, the chronic visor proved something, a couple of very interesting things. One is that there is a multiverse. And the other is that when they were inventing these time travel devices, they weren't sure it was the actual time place as understood by us historically, because, for example, when they would send me to Ford's Theater on the night Lincoln was shot, everything would change a little bit. And, in fact, in 1971, I was at the conference at Sandia Auditorium with my dad and about 20 other people in the project. And one of the directors of the program got up and explained they were going to shut down time travel by a chronic visor involving kids, not only because of the inherent danger of this device to the children involved, for example, being lost in time space, but that every time they set the same child or another child to the same historical event or place, it changed a little bit. So there is a multiverse. I witnessed the multiverse. And as a well-educated American individual, I felt I couldn't conceal that. The multiverse was like invented as an idea by Henry James, the American psychologist in like 1880, not a new concept. And it is not a science fiction concept. But I can confirm that there are virtually identical, similar, and entirely dissimilar events in time space going on all around us. We are focusing on one during this particular lifetime. That is our frame of reference. But there's a lot else out there that other people have encountered, like people who go driving and then find an hour later, they're back at their point of origin. That's because of dimensional shifts. And so we, so Project Pegasus achieved not only time travel, but proof of the multiverse. Yeah. That would be chronovizer. One second before we move on. Did you want to say something? So that's like different timelines as a way to look at that, maybe as well. Yeah. Timelines, dimensions. Where? You know, time places in the multiverse. It's basically, you know, now I've had people say, well, the multiverse can't exist because God is not a God of chaos. And I say, Oh, contrary, with God, everything is possible. Right. So I don't think we can put limits on what I tend to call the great Imagineer. Whoever the Supreme being is, and I don't say his, the Supreme being is so brilliant that we can't even fathom the capabilities of the Supreme being. And think about that in terms of the complexity of our bodies or of our solar system or the beauty of plants and animals on this planet and so forth, a blue sky with, you know, puffy clouds. In other words, the, the Supreme being that created everything, including us is certainly brilliant enough to have created an ultimate universe, maybe even in quote unquote his own mind in which many things are going on at the same time. I don't know a thousand different versions of the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln for reasons that we can't fathom. But that's what we did prove in Project Pegasus. So I want to actually began shutting down some of the activities in the program because of that discovery. So at one point, you actually, I know we're jumping ahead here, but since we're talking about timelines and dimensions, you actually traveled back to the wrong dimension or the wrong timeline. You went to your house and there was a different family there. You spent a year there and eventually they were able to communicate back to your original timeline and get you back home, which would lead me to believe that they have a way, a device that can communicate in between dimensions. Is that true? Exactly. Yeah. What happened was I teleported home to New Jersey. It was the same Curtis right. It was some of the same staff members are didn't feel concerned. I was driven home on a school bus back to Mt. Few Road School, my elementary school. I walked home through the woods to our house and country would drive and I went to the front door and rather than being open as we would keep it, it was a very safe neighborhood to grow up in and live in. This woman came to the door and said, you know, who are you? And then like slammed the door in my face. And then I kept on persisting and finally she opened the door and I said, man, this is my house. I don't know who you are. And she said, son, are you serious? And she said, well, why don't you come in and help you figure out what's going on. And I explained to her who I was and what I was involved in. And that woman who was quite beneficent in my young life contacted the U.S. government and about a week later, my dad was contacted at work and they somehow found what dimension I was in. But it was my house with the same number. Not the same furniture, but the same paint on the walls. It looked like the same place, but with different furniture. But it was a woman that I have no idea who she was. And she said, this has been your house and she were born in 1961. And I said, yes, man. And I'm not making it up. And she said, it couldn't be. We've had it since blah, blah, blah. So I was living in the downstairs room that we call the rec room sleeping and eating there for a week. Pretty much freaked out. Now, I thought I saw a picture of myself on Jeff Rents's website with old pictures from the '50s. But since my parents had bought that house in 1955, maybe that picture on Rents.com was me from somebody's life in that house in the '50s, because Jeff had run a series of pictures from Americana in the '50s. And I was in one of them, but I don't even think I saved it, because I didn't think I could prove it was me. It might just been a kid in pajamas who looked like me from that era in the '60s. So you mentioned-- I finally was picked up by this guy and taken somewhere near us, and then I teleported over to Curtis Wright and then back and got home and got back to our dimension. So you mentioned in one of your interviews that this device to communicate with other dimensions was in Colorado, or did I misunderstand that? Well, when we would jump up with the next device, the Stargate device, which was just a huge teleporter that was like this big, squarish, anvil-like black thing with all kinds of different electromagnetic connections to it, different devices attached to it. And we would run through this gate in the center of the so-called Stargate. We go up a ramp, run up a ramp, and jump through the center of it, which is about twice the width of a telephone booth, and go through the Vortle Tunnel that that larger teleporter produced for about 30 seconds rather than several seconds. That was used to get us from 1972 to the year 2045, which was selected as a result of the fact that it was 100 years after the beginning of the atomic age, you know, 1945, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki and everything. The Manhattan Project, which many of the guys had worked on, like Agnew, like Keller, and like Colgate, I believe. And we would then have to jump back through a conference room that had a teleporter in it at that building in 2045. But yet we couldn't see it. We had to learn to literally run hard against a solid wall inside a building to get home. And we would go through a Vortle Tunnel again for 30 seconds, and we would pop into view at the global overlook site up microwave tower road in southwest Colorado, immediately west of the continental divide sign, so north of Pagosa Springs. And when we did, we knew we were back in 1972. So that means that that huge micro tower array there, which we call Montauk Southwest, which is now like 100 huge antenna. Back then it was like 20 minor, you know, like fire type antennas, just basic radio antennas. But now it's this huge facility with massive antenna. And we knew we were back home. So that means they were using emissions of microwave into the known universe to literally pinpoint this location. So when we put that together with the fact that my dad and his colleagues were able to get me back from that dimension that I had been accidentally teleported to and went home to the right house, but the wrong family was living there, which was pretty terrifying for a 10 year old, who loved his family of seven very much, and who were very wonderful. It means that, I mean, we can only extrapolate and conclude that Project Pegasus had the ability, literally, to communicate between dimensions. So the relevance of that, to understanding the function today of the deep state, for which my definition is basically a U.S. intelligence community and military optics are basically violating our human rights, basically one that's engaged in abuses of power, is that the deep state has had communication between dimensions for 50 years, and that has to matter. The conception that Weber has arrived at of a chronogarchy on some level has to be true. Because I met, when I was on Project Pegasus as a child, I met in the early 70s. I met both President's Bush, 41 and 43, and President Bill Clinton, when they had just been told of their presences years later. So I don't think they were engaging in making presence, but I do know they were engaged in informing presence of their destinies as leaders of this country. So we have to ask, what else have they been involved in studying in the future so as to manipulate events? Now, I have to add the caveat that I don't fully embrace the theory of the chronogarchy as proposed by Weber, because the problem of retro causation and proto causation, and I could go on at length, I could do a whole show on this, but basically you can go backward and forward in time to fulfill the past and future, but not to change it to a different outcome because you are in the past or future. So there's no way to be there in real time and change it from what it's already known to have happened there in those locations when you study them via something like teleportation-based time travel by going there or chronovision by looking at it or chronovision by standing in the hologram and going there. So they were able to study past and future events and get more information, more intelligence, which is the function of the CIA, right? 80% of the CIA are analysts, right, not operatives, but it's difficult to change the past or future if not impossible so that and still preserve at least the quality of the information you've collected. So it's a bit of an oxymoron if you try to change it. So I don't believe we've been changing the past or future, but I do believe they've been studying it to engage in contingency planning, but after all, those are their contingencies, not necessarily ours. Right, so if you go in the future and gather intel, then come back and try and change the timeline or change it, just by changing it, you've already, your intel is no good anymore. Well, if you're changing something in the past by going there, I think it's even doubtful that we were. So for example, look what happened when I went to Gettysburg to say Lincoln to the Gettysburg Address. Before I was born, I was already in the photograph going there. Time travel is time travel. It's a journey to that time place when it occurred in real time. It's not a second occurring of that time and place or that event. And that's one of the misconceptions that science fiction has given time travel. When you time travel, you go to that real time location. You don't go to a second playing of that time and place. So I was in the original November 19th, 1863 environment of Gettysburg when Lincoln arrived there and gave his speech. In fact, I didn't hear his address because I faded from view and went back to East Hanover, New Jersey and the next time travel device we can discuss, which is the plasma confinement chamber before Lincoln began speaking. But I did hear the incredibly rapturous, a glorious cheer that went up for President Lincoln in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on the day he gave that speech. He was a very popular president in Gettysburg four months after the battle there in July. So before you go too much further here, I have a couple questions. So Warren, I think I remember you talking about seeing future events. And like so they knew that we're going to happen, I believe you mentioned 9/11 and I believe you mentioned the Internet. They knew both of those things were going to happen. And then the second follow up and I'll just let you go is so you said you phased out of that reality at the Gettysburg address. So that would implicate that that technology that they used, you didn't have to run back through a wall or come back. It eventually your time eventually expired and you just came back to your point of origin. In the case of that time travel technology, that was the plasma confinement chamber. It was sort of a big leucide chamber about the actual length and half the width and maybe 14 feet high of like a standard tennis court. And we would go into that leucide chamber on the right side through a door and we would walk down to plasma under confinement. All this beautiful opalescent colored swirling plasma on the far end of the plasma confinement chamber developed by my father and Dr. Sterling Colgate, the president and dean of physics of the New Mexico Institute of Science and Technology. And as a result, it would be sort of this trap door sensation. And rather than just screaming vertically through a mortal tunnel like we did when we were teleporting, when we were dropped through that field of plasma with the plasma confinement chamber and probably exposed to radioactive plasma. Because it was radioactive plasma, and my dad was giving me shots of anadium, he said to protect my teeth and bones from radiation. Just as I was getting exposure to gamma radiation at Allied chemical and Persepani, Jersey, to light my light body to teleport. I was being used in an advanced project, no question about that. But anyway, we'd have this trap door sensation. And just like the image of a sort of a time tunnel in what the bleak do we know where it's kind of like, goes hither and yawn and up and down and you're thrown all over the place. It was like that for about 30 seconds. And then we would be spit out at the historical locations all time travel to the past via plasma confinement. And then at a time when we'd already punched chronovision forward in time. In fact, I was the first forward chronovision probe performed on November 5 of 1971 at ITT Defense and Nutley, Jersey. But in the plasma confinement chamber, we'd go through that rather deracinating, flying all over time space. I remember losing my hat, both shoes and a sock, or some of the clothing that John Lawrence burns outfitted me with when I got into the town of Gettysburg when they sent me. But then we would, you know, after the tunnel closed, we would be popped out. Very kind of shaken up because of the ride. It was very, you know, all over the place was more than e-ticket ride. And I would always smell a burst of ozone. I don't know what that means. I'm not a physicist or electrical engineer like my dad was. And we would then, in that case, I then walked into Gettysburg, the town from the farmland north of it where Gettysburg College now is. And it was so tiny, I couldn't even believe that it was Gettysburg. It was just a series of several shops with wooden sidewalks with like three and maybe four stores at most on each wooden sidewalk. And so that was plasma confinement. And then there was kind of an aeronautical repositioning chamber that was being used to send things back and forth across the country that I think they adapted into the arc that we were using to get to Mars 10 years later under the direction of somebody I met when I was on Project Pegasus, which was the legendary US aviator Howard Hughes. He was a VIP at a luncheon there. And Connie Chavez, my dad's longtime friend from Albuquerque, New Mexico, explained to me who Howard Hughes was. And then I would meet Howard about 10 years later. When I saved the life of Bernard Mendez, one of my colleagues on Mars, and Hughes was a friend of Bernie and wanted to meet me. And so Hughes was directing the second program I was in, just like Harold M. Agnew was directing the first classified defense related research and development was in. And as an American history major, you know, graduate of UCLA, I really tried to make people understand that because this was not just some pie in the sky claim that it was Tesla or John von Newman, or whoever. These were essentially two of the most advanced physicists in the United States for the post war era. You know, Agnew definitely a physicist and then Howard Hughes an aviation expert. So it makes perfect sense that 10 years later Hughes would have become the director for DARPA and CIA and other alphabet agencies of the essentially the quantum access device we were using to get to the red planet. So before we get into the red planet because I do have some questions about that. I just want, I just wanted to understand the technology so whenever you phased out of the Gettysburg address, you just phase out of that reality and you end up back in your body in this time. Right. Now we had like, we had like a Kundalini sensation and you just pop back into view in the plasma confinement chamber in East Hanover, New Jersey, just like with the with the chrono visor. When that image collapsed, we would pop back into view in a field of ventilation, which John peers a physicist in here in Washington explained to me was just the characteristic of certain. Electromatic particles under certain forms of stimulation. So we would pop back into view in the chrono visor stage in New Jersey that the hologram was gone. The stage would still be there. And for about 90 to 100 seconds, we were trained just to sit on the ground and count back from 100. As we would then start seeing our, the other children in the program start popping into view from that probe as like black body emanations. So that those were two technologies where we didn't need a return device, the original quantum access method or effect would just wear off. And now it's certainly true of chrono vision and plasma confinement, but not in the case of teleportation. If we had jumped to New Mexico in 1971 and reached, you know, Santa Fe in 1791. We would have been stuck there because there would have been no Tesla teleporter to get us home. Right. So, you know, so let's talk about the, some of the future events that you saw like, or I don't know if you saw, but you had heard about the internet and 911 were those two things that let's just say intelligence agencies were privy to before they happened. Without question, including Donald Rumsfeld, who was the defense secretaries for President Gerald Ford, Gerald R. Ford, and George W. Bush, the Americans spend the longest number of days as a sec Deaf Secretary of Defense. So my dad and I had a friendship with Donald Rumsfeld on the program. I've said he was a pretty nice guy. I trusted him. But anyway, Rumsfeld, when he was Defense Secretary during 911. We know at a minimum that he had been in a classified defense program, where 911 was detected and being discussed about frequently. And that reason that that FBI agent was put in the Twin Towers, I think was John O'Neill, something like that, William O'Neill. And then I was present at a restaurant in New Mexico. I don't know which town per se, it was probably Albuquerque, where John Alexander McCone, who was Director of Central Intelligence from 1960 to 64. And it was a very time frame time span when, sadly, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, that was discussing with my dad what the Internet was going to be. So we know the CIA knew about the advent of the Internet, and that bespeaks the possibility that many of these mavens of the digital age, you know, the Steve Jobs and Elon Musk and so forth. There actually be government intelligence operatives that are creating these behemoth companies to sort of keep the digital age under CIA, and actually like use our emails and so forth. To achieve what DARPA began announcing under President George W. Bush, their goal of total information awareness. Remember that special logo they had about 10 years ago, back during the Bush years. I'm not familiar with the DARPA logo, but we definitely know that that's their ultimate goal. Yeah, to have everyone. Well, they actually made this a cultic symbol for, at least I looked at cultic for total information awareness as a goal of DARPA. And then one of my Mars astronauts who reached the position of the director of DARPA, Regina Elvira Dugan came out on behalf of body chipping of human beings as like an important advance. So when I ran for president 2016, one of my hundred proposals was to not allow things that would engage in transhumanist alterations or embellishments or additions to the basic human form divine as William Blake called it. I was really disturbed by that proposal by by Dugan to introduce chipping of human beings. I thought that bespoke numbering people during the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews during World War II and other other inhumane historical practices. But anyway, that was what we know the Intel community developed with Project Pegasus, and I want everybody to realize that by bringing this forward, I was going against the expression instructions of the George W Bush administration. When I went to New Mexico on my first major fact finding trip in 2003 June of 2003, I met with a representative of the executive office of President George W Bush. And he either warned me or threatened me I think it was the latter, that if I didn't stop investigating writing about or talking about the time travel technologies I was, I had contact with in Project Pegasus in the early late 60s and early 70s. And then again in the early 80s, 1981 to 84 that they couldn't guarantee my survival. So I went forward with all this to save my life and to also bring the truth forward and the event they were going to kill me. So I am not in danger to the deep state. Right. And that's good for you for right and we thank you for that. Thank you. Yes. To be honest, your testimony is one of the most credible that I've heard if not the most credible. Yeah, just because, yeah, I mean you can't make this stuff up. And you do amount of details is incredible also. Oh yeah, briefly again and go up a tick back here actually. What he said is that I couldn't talk about right about or investigate these time travel devices, because they remained sensitive compartmentalized national security secret. Otherwise they're still using time travel devices, but also keeping them official state secrets that's what it's not to add to that. Yes, meeting in 2003. Right, and it makes perfect sense and we see the evidence of that being covered up. But so what I was going to ask is, okay, so some of these jump rooms are these machines that you were using I know you've described them being in like an old school gymnasium or in an abandoned just basically in plain sight of people will be driving past every day. Maybe it's on the ground maybe it's not but like where would we find these locations. And are they were obvious. They were placing them in non discrete locations in New Jersey, Ohio and New Mexico. Let me explain that. In New Jersey, they were always. There were always classified defense contract locations for the most part. Like it defense and not like Curtis right in Woodridge. Like originally the general manufacturing company and convention station for chronovision, which they then moved. Not to the Mars town performing arts center in Mars and New Jersey after it was built, but when it was under construction. So they were kind of. Expert and hiding things in plain sight either in defense contract or locations, where I did get some witnesses among in the defense industry to the Tesla teleporter Curtis right a man by the name of Captain Lewis be wary. Well, unfortunately is now has now passed. But I did get his testimony to confirm my memories. And then in Ohio, when when the teleportation from New Jersey to New Mexico or back again New Mexico to New Jersey was. Weekening too much and essentially failing. We would be decanted to just a grassy lawn. A couple blocks up the street from the stolen Ohio based swage lock headquarters. That was a company founded by Fred Lennon to make like precision pipe fitting for engineering companies. In fact, we had a tour by Mr. Lennon and that had a Tesla teleporter over on the right side of that one story building at that time. We would walk across down the street from this field and then across an intersection diagonally and then into the swage lock headquarters. And nobody would say, Hey, you're walking here into the swage lock headquarters. You must be time traveling because it was just a pipe fitting company working for the DoD. You say, so they were good at that using nondescript defense contractor locations to disguise very advanced quantum access activities going on. And then the same thing in New Mexico. I mean, the surreal cultural center was kind of a cultural center for the people of that town built by the WPA during the depression. It was owned by this couple Joseph and Joseph something. It would later be purchased by the Sarkeesian family and then by Jesus Morel is an artist. So it was sort of in private hands, even though it was a cultural center with different facilities. Somebody privately owned it. I don't know exactly how the DoD dealt with them to use the surreal cultural center for both chronic vision and the Stargate. They were putting the chronic visor on their symphony orchestra stage in the main building. And then they were putting the Stargate on the Olympic sized basketball court and the meet and greet kind of speech we got from Rumsfeld was down in an auditorium. That seated about 30 like a story underground after that floor burned off when the Sarkeesian's owned the surreal cultural center. That's now kind of an amphitheater that's visible from the surface from the ground. It looks almost like an artifact type of amphitheater from 2000 years ago or something. But we went down there and had a little kind of intro to keeping the project secret by by Donald Rumsfeld. Again, the defense attache the darkest project Pegasus long before he was even President Ford's Secretary of Defense. And this was all during the Nixon years before Ford. And at least my experiences and Pegasus and then Mars, of course, was during the Reagan years. Before we before we move on real quick, I want to have a question about the chronic visor. I think I've heard you mentioned and I've actually seen an image floating around on the Internet, which we've actually showed that image on our project looking glass episode with Brad gets. But he are there is apparently a photo of Christ. So they were able to go back and take an actual photograph of Jesus Christ and that Internet that picture is floating around on the Internet. I was wondering if you could confirm that and did they go back to that era with Chrono visor technology. I wasn't trying to photo Christ, I was shown about a 20 to 30 minutes film loop like a 16 millimeter black and white video production of the scenes from the ministry. And the crucifixion of Jesus, and that was shown at Sandia National Labs in summer of 72. And when my dad and his friend Connie Chavez and I were walking out of that, you know, the holding of that of that film viewing. His friend Connie Chavez was a devout Catholic who was very disturbed she couldn't even look at the screen. And let me tell you, Jesus suffered amazing. I mean, just an horrendous horrifying way on the cross. I found difficulty watching it as well. And as a what a 10 year old in summer of 72. I felt the evil of those images was so evil that it was like a swarm of hornets buzzing in the center of the small room that about 20 of us were watching that film in it was kind of like a privilege to see these scenes of Jesus's execution. But then when we were coming out, I have to be consistent with the truth, I don't share this as a proselytizer of faith in Jesus's divinity or anything like that, even though I, that is my religious belief. It happens to be, but I'm not a proselytizer. We're coming out of that viewing. And my dad said, Connie, I don't know why you're so disturbed by this. She said, and she said, Ray, how do you think I should be disturbed by this? They were crucifying my Lord. And he goes, I know, I know. But we also got footage that three days later, two angels show up in Jesus's crypt. There's a flash of light, he stands up, and the angels help him push the rock away from his crypt and he, then they all three of them walk out. So, I've also shared that because that is the truth. My man was my father was a man of truth. He was a devout Roman Catholic like Connie Chavez. I was being raised as a Roman Catholic as a child who had been baptized as such and was going to confession and church and taking the Eucharist throughout my childhood. I would later be confirmed as a 13 year old. So, even though I'm no longer a practicing Roman Catholic, I am a non-denominational Christian, and I thought in a religious spiritual term, what is my obligation with that? And then when I realized that Satanists, skeptics, and secularists were doing things like even denying that Jesus was a person, which has an absolutely ridiculous assertion. Because even during Jesus's time, the Hebrew historian Josephus wrote of him, and that's been known by Christologists for centuries and by religionists for centuries, including Christian adherents and just plain historians. And so, an assertion, let's say by a David Eich, who some of his work I like and appreciate, but when he was trying to say that the Jesus story and the Gospels were fictional novels scripted by the peace of family of Italy, I said that's absurd. I mean, I saw images of this individual ministry, death, and heard my dad speak of his resurrection. I thought, well, I have to share this because for some reason the US government blocked images of Jesus's resurrection. And to the extent that my mentor UCLA Norman cousins proved that that I'm trying to think of my point there but. Well, I do not are doing this book in God, we trust that all of our founders and framers except Benjamin Franklin were believers in Jesus Christ, not just Christian. They had accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, as people often say, in other words, they were born again Christians, they were Christian evangelical. And I thought about Norman's books in God we trust. I had worked with Norman in 1986, seven and eight, and I'm talking about decisions I made like in 2000, 2000 or so, 2003, 2004 when I came forward. I thought, wait a minute. If I have this reliable statement by my dad that his team at San Dia that summer also recovered images of Jesus of Nazareth resurrection. I have to share that with everybody. So it will either confirm their faith, not on the basis of faith, but video evidence, or it will bring other people to Jesus, just because I think that's the right thing to do. I believe in being Christic. And, you know, like the Dalai Lama, that basically is my religion. My religion is kindness. And so I realized that I was in kind of a moral, not a moral crisis, but a kind of an important event in my life. Why I thought, well, people will just say Andy's time travel memory, are just this clever way to promote an evangelical Christian perspective. No, in every way, everything I've shared has been history. It's been what I experienced. And I've been accused of being conceited for only sharing my experiences, but no, I'm an experientialist. That's my means when I'm a speaker, immediate personality, you know, a, a lecture, a writer. So, it's a true story. And now did I see the resurrection as captured? No, but my father did. Well, I do like to add to that. So there's a book you might be interested in called The Thea Uba Prophecy, which talks about Jesus or Christ actually being a being from that planet who incarnated here to do exactly what we know. And they they describe exactly that resurrection story exactly the way you just described it they described that is how it was just those those beings coming down in their light body. And bringing or removing him from the site bringing them back up to their craft and reviving him with their technology and then placing him back down here. You might be interested in reading that book. Because, you know, a lot of people have a lot of issue with that controversial but, but the way you describe that scene is exactly how they described it in that book which was, which came out in like 89 or 90. You know, I've never heard of it. I mean, I've heard of Operation Trojan horse by Benita J. Benita, but haven't read it, but that's we can go on and on about that and love and love one talks about Christ was a basically higher dimensional being that incarnate you know other things talked about. Basically the concept of Christ did exist he wasn't incarnated higher dimensional being that came to help the planet essentially help humanity. So, you know, there's, yeah, and I agree it's absurd to claim he never existed I think that's just wishful thinking on a lot of people's they just don't for whatever reason want to believe he existed but there's too much evidence that he did. And I mean, people were just sharing David I exclaim without any, he just exploration with Christologists or, you know, even, you know, Cardinals or whoever, right, college professors, you know, that about the fact that Jesus is reality of having a live was confirmed by the Hebrew restoring Josephus during his lifetime and that's evident. Right. Exactly. So we can't ignore facts and evidence. Right. So I want to move forward a little bit here to Mars. And one, one thing in particular that struck me as interesting was you would talk about these skulls on the surface of Mars that we are access points to the jump room. But you never clarified at least I didn't hear you clarify what type of skulls were these were these giant human skulls animal skulls, or were they man, they were, they were huge animal skulls that I didn't recognize as a fairly knowledgeable individual from this planet. And some of those were captured and when I published the discovery of life on Mars in 2008, that was the first written work on earth to show evidence of life forms on the red planet. And then 25 very talented anomalous have contributed to our findings at our Facebook site, the Mars nonly research society, which I created when I when I wrote that paper and published in December of 2008. And yet that paper was going to be such a landmark publishing that I was briefed on it as a result of the quantum access capability of the US government going back to 1968 so when I first started teleporting between New Jersey and New Mexico and back. My father came home one day with certain expert gated passages from my, from my 41 page paper that I wouldn't publish for 40 years and linked in 2008. And then he's in a year later in summer of 69. He showed me my image of the humanoid being on Salkowski Ridge, which is to the rover data sort of what the face on Mars on side on is to the satellite data from the red planet. So this all kind of overlaps project Mars because, for example, one day at the law has to end a restaurant. My dad asked Connie Chavez to walk across the floor of the restaurant with her, and they talked quietly in the corner. And I kind of zigzag my way over there, you know, as kids do they finally hopefully get to where they're being encouraged not to hear something. And I heard Connie say to my father, is this before or after he discovers all those creatures up there. So he must have been telling her about the fact that I was destined to be sent to Mars via one of these emergent technologies. And I think it's kind of interesting that Howard Hughes was a guest of honor of Project Pegasus during those years for a dinner. And then he told his third wife, Eva McClellan, from Alabama, that he was, she thought he had said that he was spending time with star gazers somewhere out in the country in the country. As described by major general Mark music and Douglas Wellman in their book boxes the secret life of Howard Hughes. But I think he was saying I was spending some time with star gators somewhere else in the country. So I literally heard my dad telling this long time friend of his in New Mexico, somebody he met back in 1953-54 when he was flight testing the ramjet engine at the White Sands Missile Proving Ground. Or Curtis Wright, I guess. She, you know, she asked very concerned. Is this before or after he publishes those images of all those creatures up there. And, and my dad said before fact long before that. So they knew I was headed for Mars. So the two projects did sort of overlap in my experience. But I think that Project Mars was so different so focused that it's really debatable whether it was a programmatic element within Project Pegasus. So what do you think why do you think they used the access to skulls as access points was that just because there's easy cover. Or did they, did they place those skulls there or they naturally found their. This is that's very interesting to me and I'm sure that that would lead to an underground facility I would imagine. Well, bear in mind that I can only speculate. I went to Mars about 20 times via jump room or space elevator or aeronautical repositioning chamber or arc as we short short hand. We're still speculating because Mars is a new terrain. The images are showing us another planet at great depth for the first time. Mars is inhabited and my guess would be, and I think it's probably going to prove out to be true, but it's just a guess. That the skulls that we were using for the access points to our jump rooms were placed there by the two human, you know, earthling sized humanoids on the surface the homo Martis terrace. And the homo Martis Martis, which means earth man and woman on Mars and and Martian and women on Mars. They're the ones that are very much like us. And then the sort of the smaller, spindlier ones that are sort of a little bit more freakish than us. And I could go into that if you'd like, but they're living predominantly underground. In fact, Courtney Hunter, the CIA, and I were invited by one of that second type, the homo Martis Martis to go down underground into his layer, his residence underground, which was really just sort of a large series of caves with paisley designs on the ceilings with a lot of pneumatic tubes running like elevators and devices to live underground. And Virginia old of the CIA said after I published my paper, you know, you're, you're really on to the truth here. In fact, those two species, which you might not have encountered on Mars in the same place, they actually live cooperatively. The third thing is I saw three of the first type at an air base in New Jersey, but all the ones I saw on Mars were the second type. But anyway, we had a sort of a dog and pony show by one of them of where they were living underground. Now, since there are two very lethal and vicious predators on the surface and many other carnivores, Mars has essentially a climax population where all of the land animals basically survive. Not by grazing on vegetation, but by devouring each other, there are two that are extremely vicious and deadly. One is a reptoid about 16 feet tall with a T Rex head that looks sort of chicken like, and a velociraptor body with small upper appendages and huge hind legs, but they can run at about 70 miles per hour. I saw one of those kill one of my colleagues on Mars, a 45 year old gentleman named Bob, I don't have his last name. And another devoured a 16 year old kid from California named David, but not devoured him, he just bit him on the stomach and killed him. So those are sort of the rep toys that Mars claimants, for instance, Penny Bradley have claimed and that we witnessed them, I wouldn't have been killing two of my colleagues on the surface of Mars. The other type are essentially these insect avoid like creatures that are about the size of a small garbage truck have 10 to 12 appendages and large saber to teeth in the front of their head. And they can just basically slice somebody up and work. That was the creature that William Brett stillings and I spent like a mile running away from, we just exhausted ourselves running away from that creature, the one time we encountered it. Because Mars has oxygen, it has blue skies, oxygen is a clear gas that refracts blue. So there's many times when you're on Mars where there is a pale blue sky, kind of like a baby blue sky. But it's a very deficient of oxygen, I would sometimes get the hypoxia with the pain in the legs and feet, I still have some pain in the legs and feet from that from that experience or set of experiences. And yet the oxygen in some places is as deficient at let's say, I don't know 10 to 12,000 feet above sea level on earth. So it was really miraculous that I was able to save Bernard Mendez's life by carrying him a mile. Now you, you mentioned, you mentioned in an interview, you asked how you were breathing on Mars and I told you the lithosphere. Did you get any more information on what that was. Well we were breathing unassisted as humans from earth. But when I said, I said, according to the CIA, again, I said, Courtney, how could we be breathing up there I mean there's such little vegetation. And he said the lithosphere, we believe that oxygen is seeping from the rocks, both on and above ground. So, again, I'm not a planetary scientist so I don't know whether that was valid but that's what they said but it was definitely deficient in oxygen. A couple times I got the tunnel vision for my epoxy and that was quite disturbing because I said to a couple of my colleagues, I'm flaking out, watch me I've got tunnel vision. And they said just just use your ventilator. We had a ventilator that we could kind of move a rocker arm back and forth and produce oxygen, but most of us seldom used it, I mean I dispensed with it after my first trip. And July of 81. And there were even American astronauts smoking on the surface. So, really go figure I've never been a smoker so I didn't have that issue but I think one of the most crucial points about this whole thing that you mentioned. And I think that you were calling it interdimensional transit to him from Mars and they were actually, there was actually question that it actually wasn't Mars but a planet like Mars, or Mars and another dimension. I don't remember his name but Carrie Cassidy had a whistleblower come in, come on years ago, who came forward and said the Mars that the gentlemen are speaking of in a secret space program exist in another dimension. And that was the first time I had heard him say that, or heard anyone say that, and then you are claiming something similar might have been the case. And I was wondering if you could elaborate on that. My point has been basically and I certainly shared by my colleague Bernard Mendez, although Bernie's kind of dropped out of the truth move because he's dealing with, with health issues, but my point was look if you drive into Pasadena California. It said something like Pasadena next six. Now, when we were jumping to Mars in this clearly this interdimensional device, the arc, which was basically an elevator at 999 North Sepulveda in El Segundo California, that would morph from a box like structure into a cylinder and then back again. And then the far wall would open up like an elevator door, and we were in the sub basement of one of the seven or eight jump room facilities on the red planet that we were accessing as Americans I can't speak for the alleged German presence there but that's basically the experience. We had one jump room facility after out of about seven or eight that said that was like a that one was like an underground parking garage that said welcome to Mars. But did we know enough about planetary physics to say at the end of the day that we were sure it was Mars. Well, when Bernie and I began comparing notes with some help from William Stilling's. We realized for example that wait a minute. If if Mars is 40% the volume and hence the mass of Earth. The differential between gravity there should have been 2.5 right because 2.5. That 4 to 10 is 2.5 four goes into 10 2.5 times right. Right. So, okay, so I was able to leap or you know to stride. The normal male human stride of a healthy young male, five foot 10 inches tall on earth about three, three and a half feet like if you know you're forwarding a creek or something. And you kind of stride leap over the creek or you know river or rocks or whatever. Right. But on Mars I could do at most four feet. But if there was a differential. Of 2.5. My normal three foot stride should have been easily 7.5 feet on Mars, but it wasn't. There was also times when we would dig on the surface when we would hit this. Thick metal. Spear that was under the red planet and other times like the time that hunt and I were invited in town to that. That residents of that second type of Martian when they were digging underground without any. A metal spherical layer blocking their. Their egress into an underground location just like the jump rooms. So we weren't really sure what was. Sort of on or above the red planet, but some of the data we started collecting from our experiences is wait a minute. We don't know if this was the Mars up there in the sky sometimes during the year. You know in our solar system. So it might have been because it was a quantum access device. It might have been what Bernie Mendez and I named or promoted the idea of a synthetic quantum environment or artificial. Planetary holographic domain. In other words, rather than using an advanced. Interdimensional device to go to the Mars in our solar system. It may have been another form of interdimensional travel and to that degree since we had. Jump rooms in both directions and we wouldn't be trapped like we might with Tesla teleporters on earth. Now trapped in the past. We were. Possibly going to I don't know a million BC on. A Mars like planetoid in another dimension we don't know one thing I added very recently. To my analysis of those years is a couple years before I was asked to go to Mars at age 19. About five years earlier when I was like 14. Several of the books in the blade fictional series. By the author Richard Lord were placed in my. My closet of my bedroom in California in my family's home in Chatsworth, California. Where I literally drove down to be driven by Courtney after the CIA down to El Segundo when I first went to Mars. On July 7th of 1981. So I asked myself. To the extent that in that novel series, which is kind of smattered with a little bit soft porn to kind of interest young males. You know teenagers are 20 something. Just a couple like soft porn scenes per novel. But it's basically a science fiction adventure series. Blade was getting to the past and other dimensions in a box like device. So I think that may have been an intentional introduction. In my my imagination my mind. To this device that they already had because right around that time when those blade series of books. Were placed in my closet. As a 14 15 year old. My dad gave me a picture. Of as taken by Viking too, but I think I ripped it up when I was going to Mars. I was so disgusted about that. So I suspect that those things were sort of. Intelligence community military ploys. To introduce a young California guy to where he was going. Basically a Mars like environment. Or at least know what Mars looked like when so that when I was sent. They could figure out if it was in another location. Arrived at interdimensionally rather than. Through rocketry or direct transit. And that supported by the extensive questioning. That had names would give us for a half hour to an hour. Every time we came back. It was like one of those famous, you know, ed dame sessions and what happened next. Okay, then what happened. And that was multiple people, including remote viewers. But that's what he would do for like 30 to 60 minutes every time we would come back. And then he would space us out with the. American reverse engineered version of the Soviet lead a machine, which is basically a memory suppression device. So, so yeah, I strongly suspect it was interdimensional travel to a Mars like planet. In another dimension. Well, there's two things. So using gravity as a guideline. I don't know how efficient that is because. You know, we don't mainstream physics doesn't actually quite have. I don't think people fully understand what gravity is and how it works and just because it works that way on earth doesn't mean that that those same laws apply in another planet we don't know I don't know that's my opinion, obviously. But when you got to Mars. Let's just pretend it was in this reality. How long would you say, how long would you say humans have already been there by the time you got there when you think this stuff was established and by who. Well, both both when we were going in the eighties. And then when I began to use NASA's data. To write the discovery of life on Mars and found the margin. You know, the leading contemporary Marsology organization, the Mars not only research society or project Mars at Facebook, for example, project Mars dot net. We put out a lot of material. It's not really arguable as Dr. Sala recently tried to claim it's just not arguable that it's Andy's peridolia. You know, that's like. Claiming that President Kennedy hasn't been assassinated yet. You know, it's just not happening. I. I believe that. I think it's possible that. It could have been Mars in the extent to the extent that when we were answering your question. When we were going initially, it took about 20 minutes from the time we stepped into the space elevator. And it more from a box into a cylinder and back again before the fire door opened up and we're in the sub basement of the US facility on the red planet. But then as the planet Mars was drawing closer to earth. And it's a regular two year or roughly two year orbit around the sun, our son in this dimension. It shrunk down to eight minutes so that rather than one or two astronauts three or four could go in the jump room at the same time. I did that, for example, with Stilling's Mendez and Satoro, who later changes name to Obama. A number of times with all four of us in the jump room, either going or coming back. That was only possible because Mars the Mars in our dimension was closer to the earth. And the time in the jump room, as a result, shrank from from roughly 20 to eight minutes. So that, unlike the bizarre differential in terms of gravity or, you know, weight, mass. That scientific outcome seemed to prove that it was the Mars in this dimension. And so as we were developing that, and Ed Dames was even denying that he was our instructor, which he was, and he was interviewing us after every trip there. I was concerned that the American sort of scientific community and government and culture had not grasped this mind around these questions. Was it in another dimension because the the stride that we should have been 7.5 was only four. I mean, because I was healthy, but I was never really an athlete. I mean, I could leap across a creek of three or four feet, but not leap 7.5 feet like I was participating in the Olympics or something as a jumper. So, so that supported the premise that it was the Mars in our dimension. So in this solar system in this dimension. So, but you didn't answer the question on how long do you think humans have already been there by the time you got there. Oh, okay. Yeah, let me go back to that. I started that, but then got off that. First of all, when we were going there and then when I wrote that paper. Okay. And the later work that all my colleagues have done and I still contributed to it was clear that there was a high Egyptian presence on the Martian surface. I saw pyramids on the surface that look very Egyptian, but then Ross curly of Mars, the Mars, not my research society found like an intaglio carved into either metal or rock, which was photographed on day 2012 of all days. The 20, the 2012 soul of Mars of the Rover spirit, and they took this photograph and right near the corner of the slab of rock or metal. There's clearly an Egyptian pharaoh that looks just like King Akana. In fact, it looks a lot like President Obama. And it's not new, and it was found by NASA and they've been denying life on Mars, both ancient modern. They're still fighting with people where there's micro bond Mars, and we've been showing humanoids and higher life forms, and incredible ancient artifacts for 14 years now. So that's why I was worried about America being behind, but no, there was clearly a high Egyptian presence. Now, regarding the more modern potentially American or Western presence. When I went to the, through the, up to the jump room called the corkscrew, and then walk to the right diagonally and then ultimately through what we call the dilapidated brick city. The, the bricks of that collapsed city was partially intact, but there were many things on the ground and just walls and ceiling for the fallen, fallen apart and stuff. Nonetheless, they looked like small brown bricks that you'll see like in the, the colonial district of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, from, you know, the period of our founding. When I, when I've reviewed both the, well, not just both, but the terrain, the animals, the humanoids and such structures. To the bar soon novels of the writer Edgar Rice Burroughs, that writer of Tarzan, whose book plate was Tarzan holding up Mars, because his Tarzan series was financially supporting his Mars series his bar soon novel. I and others, including my vice president of Mars, Lewis Michael Reinhardt, have concluded that Edgar Rice Burroughs was either on Mars, or new people who had been, or had been given access by some group, maybe Freemasons or something, or government officials about earlier visits to the red planet than the 1980s. Penny Bradley, who recently interviewed me on her podcast, affirmed that, that there was much earlier habitation, you know, visits to Mars by Earthlings. We certainly know there were by Egyptians under the reign of Akhenaten, the Sun God, it's interesting that they would call him the Sun God, sounds rather solar system oriented. But no, there is, we clearly proved when we went there, and then when he studied NASA's images years later, decades later, in fact, that two, two and a half decades later, that, that there was a high Egyptian presence there. And there also seem to be strong circumstantial evidence of early American or Western building there on the surface. So I think the whole process of traveling via arc may have been, for example, an ancient science that was periodically rediscovered, revived, just reimplemented. So I don't think we were the first to be on Mars. We were told, Obama, Dugan and I were asked to read about four inches of documents in French, the French language, which I knew some of them as did they, from studying it for four years in junior high school and high school. From the French external intelligence organization, which stated that the first humans from this epoch, to go to Mars, were two Americans who went via, two American astronauts, who went via rocket in 1964. But then we have all the claims of an earlier German presence, even during World War II. So I cannot state that we were in the first cadre of modern earthlings, even to go to the Red Planet. I've never claimed any, you know, first in time kind of accomplishment related to Mars. And in fact, my other colleague, William Wyker, one of my other colleagues that was going there and helped. He and I save our lives in that of William Stillings against with AR 15 to get the battery of pterodactyls that was trying to eat us for about 30 minutes. So William Wyker saved my life and and Williams on the surface, William Stillings and his own. He told me that when we were going there, it was usually about 1500 other Americans there. And the bill that sort of David Wilcox spoke of in 2006, where he said there were like 600,000 earthlings on Mars. I don't necessarily believe, but certainly the affirmation by Israeli General Heim a shed on December 9 of 2020 or. That there were Americans working with ETs underground on Mars. Seems sort of more consistent with our experiences there. Right. But what white crow did confirm that there was many as 1500 when we were going. So I've been told go on. I mean, Bernie Mendes said, no, there were only about 40 of us in the whole program. So I just don't know. And that was one of my beefs with the CIA. I had said to Courtney, I said, Courtney, you know, you're kind of like an ET. He said, why would you say that? And I said, because you only give answers to desired questions. I mean, your agency is asking me and other agencies are asking me to go and military departments are asking me to go to another planet, you know, millions of miles away and I might die there or be left there. And you're not even telling me these these questions. You told me how there's, there's oxygen on Mars, but you know, you're not telling me how many of us are up there what she would, we should do if the jump rooms fail. You know, how we can find food up there. They were really endangering our lives. And they also didn't pay us. After saving a fellow astronauts life, that of Bernie Mendes, by carrying him a mile to my right shoulder with terribly depleted oxygen, which was almost impossible. The CIA promised me the space medal of honor, and they never even told me what my DD 214 was when it arrived from the Navy in 1985. I ripped it up, because I didn't even know what a DD 214 was. So what I found in my study over the last 20 years are actually now 22 years, which I began around 2000 consulting with experts on the US Intel community military, like Dr Jean Marie Origo of UC Irvine. A UC San Diego educated social psychology specializes in that area is that. Operatives are never paid and are shoved off deck. Operators are the 20% of operatives for CIA, for example, who are doing operations, the other 80% paying analysts. And they just regularly do this, they use people and throw them away. They don't pay them. They don't fulfill the promises they made in terms of decorations. I mean, imagine winning the space medal of honor for service between age 19 and 22. And I'm sitting here at 61 looking back and thinking, well, that's something I was cheated as well as my salary, the cradle to the grave government service we were promised the zero interest home loan. We were promised to buy single family detached residences in the Reading, California area, $100,000 purchases that would now be worth. $500 to $600,000. I mean, our government has been cheating people like I, American heroes, and we're even known to the Intel community and the military as a ghost. That is not the country that our founders started. So I am speaking out, not only the broken arrow of the military and the intelligence community. But as a conscientious objector, or how they're performing, they're performing, they're underperforming our nation and our heritage and our legacy. And that's not to mention you. That's not to mention the physical effects that has on your body and everybody else involved. I mean, obviously time travel has to be somehow detrimental to your lifespan. And I mean, I know you're, you have vision problems because of it and the neuropathy, and who knows what else but like they don't take any failure. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was definitely damaged. I mean, my dad was giving them a pill that he called the horse bill. And Connie Chavez said, what's that for? He said to deal with the effects of radiation. When he was giving the shots of an 18 element 23 in my left calf muscle back at our house virtually every week between 1968 and 72 and I asked him to add what is this for. He said to protect your teeth and bones from radiation. When the nurse, the rich nurse at the Marstown, New Jersey Army Arsenal, US Army Arsenal would give me shots of gamma globulin every week. I said, what are these for? And she said to make you super smart. So maybe that goes to why I have a very good memory. But yes, our country calls these ghosts. Now imagine that people who are risking their lives, serving the military and the intel community, and the military and especially the intel community are calling them ghosts. They're fellow Americans that we're treating as a ghost. We don't want to destroy operational security, government secrecy. We want to cheat people of things they earned at the risk of their lives for years. I mean, I have eight years in. They told me I had reached the lieutenant commander level in the US Navy. If they gave me a promotion after my law, my, you know, my JD, and my two masters were earned. It would be a commander or an admiral by now. I don't know in the Navy Secret Service. I know I'm not working for them. But I know that there's tens of thousands of such Americans, particularly of my generation. Because as the World War II crowd began doing more and more sophisticated things, they began making excuses for themselves like, well, we would it could have been killed in France or Germany during the war. We'll let these young men and women know what it is to serve and not be paid. In other words, there were excuses they made. They were lying to us. If I could talk to my dad or Courtney had to the CIA or Ed Dames in person and other apparatics of the deep state who were handling us during these secret programs, I would literally grab them by the lapel and scream in their faces. How could you do there? Why weren't we paid? Why weren't we given our military decorations? Our other benefits. I mean, I had to worry about my academic debt for years, even as a practicing attorney here in the state of Washington. I'm inactive now because of my vision loss and my kidney problems. But I was active for almost 25 years. And I had to worry that whole time about my academic debt and have very little money left after practicing. And yet, I never should have had any academic debt. So we're literally persecuting people who have served the country. And I concerned about even worse than people spitting on Vietnam veterans when they came back, because those are people inside the government growing their college. I mean, I was 19 when I went to Mars, William Brett Stillings was 14. Okay, we're going to do again with 17 Obama and McCool were my age. Barack Obama being like 45 days older than me. And William McCool being five days younger than me. Yeah, everything you just said confirms everything we know about the steep state. They care about power control. They do not value human life. They do not have morals or integrity. They, but they have infiltrated into these positions of power and they don't, they don't treat you with dignity. They don't, they don't care. They're just a disposable pawn to them. And it's, it's sick and it's, it needs to stop and needs to end. And we need our country back. Right. And we also have to remember a lot of the people who work as operators, handling operatives are not in control. Yeah. I mean, there's a Roman Catholic. And a Mormon faction, for example, within CIA. No, it's the top of the top of the period. Yeah. Yeah, my dad was a devout Roman Catholic, as was his friend Connie Chavez and a number of other people on the program, probably John Alexander McCone, which is, of course, an Irish name. So he may or very well have been in that Roman Catholic faction within CIA. Now, we know, at least according to the author, Tim Cohen, that what is it, the Knights Templar, the Rosicretians, and the Priory Decion, basically are ultimately protecting the British crown. Yeah. That may be the residual control of America under the British monarchy. My dad and Connie Chavez told me they were Knights Templar, and when I asked them what's that, they said something like soldiers for Christ. And I said something like, this is that lunch at Angelo's, Peter, the, the Angelo's Italian deli in White Rock, New Mexico. They said, you know, soldiers of Christ because Jesus has enemies, and Connie Chavez said that in a very kind of angry sort of Latin American dictator kind of tonality. So I think we have to explore secret societies. We have to examine the overlap, let's say, between the Vatican and the time travel programs I was in because, of course, the Vatican definitely was the provenance of the Chronovizer. And I saw Father or Nettie at the Chronovizer facility at the Marstown Performing Arts Center when it was under historical redevelopment into a public facility, just closed at that point. And then, of course, there was the way in which many of the people in both programs, or at least some were CIA. And we know about that substantial Catholic faction. And, you know, it's clear that sovereign Vatican military orders, or those are another British monarchy. Could actually be running the CIA. And Courtney Hunt told me that the CIA or the US intelligence community actually began with the Catholic confessional, because in that way, the priesthood gathered secret. That's sort of the village level about individuals, Miss D. Right. And so, there's certainly a Catholic connection. I'm not anti Catholic. I'm not anti anything. I let people practice their religions and faiths. And I don't interfere. But there was a substantial Catholic CIA contingent in both programs. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's a whole rabbit hole with right Catholic Vatican rabbit hole. I do want to talk about. I want to get your thoughts on some of these glitches, quote glitches in the matrix we see time anomalies mandela effects. What are your thoughts on that and how is that occurring, especially like the mandela effect is that a result of time travel. No, I believe that the notion that the mandela effect and these glitches, in general, are the result of time travel like chronic vision is kind of a public legend that unfortunately sort of got initiated when Carrie Cassidy's scripted. The notion of project montalk and project looking glass, even though the looking glass device or chronic visors were part of project Pegasus under DARPA. I'm not saying they knew all of the results. So it's certainly possible that some incidents of quantum pollution could explain some of the time slips people have had who I've interviewed who have, you know, been driving in Nevada or someplace to go to Las Vegas, let's say. And an hour later ended up in the same location and had redrive it, you know, without circling around. So there is this kind of time slip phenomenon. My personal, my conviction is that certainly the mandela effect is occurring. So one that I'll share that I've certainly identified on people. I have noted this, but in the original Gettysburg address. Lincoln said that they have thus far so nobly advanced. And in the version at least of the Gettysburg address that Kenny Rick Burns. reproduced with Sam Waterston the actor being the voice of Lincoln on their phenomenal 1989 documentary the Civil War. Waterston quotes Lincoln is having written and said that they have so thus far so nobly carried on, which is not even grammatical. And there's all the other ones people I've known have told me they've found ancient Bibles that say. The wolf shall lay down with the lamb after the second coming, not the lion that say the lion shall lay down with the lamb, which is what I remember. And now in some Bibles, it says the wolf shall lay down with the lamb and so forth. So I think we can take the mandela effect as a given. Now my conviction is it's not time travel which has always been rather de minimis in location and extent. It is the 2000 or more nuclear weapons that we've exploded that I was happy to see. Richard Dolan state on a mainstream UFO program recently that the primary motive for the post war UFO activity we've gotten has been our practice of blowing up nuclear weapons. That would be my guess that they've destabilized the quantum hologram. At least to have episodically changed content or event of that nature because it hasn't been a massive dislocation where people have woken up and you know the state of New Jersey is no longer there. But there have been incidents like that case in Japan where the guy showed up and showed a passport to the Japanese authorities that was which was for a European nation that didn't exist. I heard about that. Yeah, you know, and those types of events so those seem to be local episodic time slips to other dimensions or lost or changed content. And I don't believe time travel is causing that, although I don't discount the possibility that it could have caused some of the time slips. But I think the greatest danger that we should worry about and have worried about for many many years is the fact that nuclear weapons destroy the physical substrate of the known universe. And that was serious enough for inhabitants of other star systems to visit us and not just begin studying us but studying our children, and not just studying our children, but studying the children of our aerospace community. We had nuclear weapons and rockets. So what did they readily conclude. We were going to take our destructive weaponry or devices into the wider universe. And in fact I learned from people at CIA that the reason individuals like I whose fathers had or mothers had worked in the defense industry is the ETS are so advanced. I was incapable to track those adults home with different defense related industrial materials on their clothing, because I was being contacted by the small grace throughout early childhood, and being sort of tested by them. I was sort of given a planetary consciousness, like John Mac described in his book abduction or abductions, and that explains why I went on to become environmental writer in LA, right for the custodo society and then pursue three advanced degrees in environmental studies. I was basically given a planetary consciousness I believe by the small grace. Now I don't know what the small grades are and I do know that the government did not know what they were, where they were from or what they wanted in fact I was instructed to find that out during So when the Alex colliers of the blogosphere say, I know these are from Lyra, and these are for from Ganymede and all these different, you know, inclusive statements about where different factions are from. I do not believe that that has not been the government, the US government's understanding, and there are other people very close to me, who had parents working for the Defense Department, or the military, who would confirm the same thing. Usually their fathers, you know, confirm that we don't didn't know where they were from what they wanted or, or what they were. Things are compartmentalized and there's some people that do, you know, because that's always, in my mind it's always impossible. That's possible. Yeah, there's people that do know but they're not, it's all need to know kind of. And, and you, you're not going to have advanced ED races that respect humans. They're not going to go. They're not going to give the government who are treating humans poorly they're not going to go give them the information that they're looking for they're going to leave them on a wild goose chase. They're going to start contacting some of these star seeds that aren't individually, individually, so we can't discount like experience or claim just because the government doesn't know about it for that reason, and many other reasons. I think at this point it's all possible, but you can't, but I'm just saying that it's my. The suspicion as somebody with an original background in journalism professionally, that those who claim a specific sort of artisanal knowledge of specific eat being from specific star systems are not offering supporting evidence that's becoming common or those. That's true. That is sort of meme, meme applied in the blog history and I agree with that. That's true. Yes. Unsubstantiated claims that no one can prove one way or the other, but people cling on to as true. And people form. Yeah, and then there's so many people that they're there. They have almost put themselves on this pestle like I have all the information only believe what I'm saying and then they, they're, and then somebody else is saying stuff that's a little bit different. Because people form these groups and it's just like, guys, gotta, like, right, don't do that. And also that historic graphic violation of sort of specificity, specificity being offered to promote belief, but not to support the claim. So I want to go back to you, you said you were visited by the grades during childhood and this is off to time travel topic but when we talk on the phone. You were telling me about your Bigfoot experiences at age four and and I was wondering if you mind sharing that and then we could start to wrap this up. In the midst of 1966 I was a month shy of my fifth birthday. And the first time I went to an outhouse when we were camping we camped a lot as a family really for 15 years. Like 1965 to 80 and then of course I camped with my dad and in 80, but we were at Great Lakes Agandaga. There was kind of a campground a little bit in from the shore of the, like, second, but pretty close, actually. And then you had to make like a dog leg, you had to go down the campsite and then make a left. And there were two outhouses far enough from the campground to not cause any problems. But when I made the turn, there were two, what looked like dark brown haired ape like creatures that clearly were not human, but to look very safe they were just standing there. They didn't come running after me they didn't smell really bad, as has been reported by Bigfoot, and they were clearly an adult and a child, the child was not my age, which was, you know, as I said, four years and five months. And then, by the way, this was a year before the Patterson Gimlin footage from Scott Bluff, California was filmed. And so I didn't even know what a Bigfoot was, or hadn't heard about it. And I walked up to them and being trained as a play kid, I said, would you like to use the bathroom? And they just ignored me, they weren't speaking English. So I went in to do my business, and then when I stepped out of the outhouse, the adults asked what was standing in front of me on the right side, and his son or grandson or nephew or kid from his tribe. Who looked about, I would say, about a year older than me, maybe six, he's definitely taller than me, but he's still very much a young kid. We're both looking at me, and when I did so, when I stepped down from the outhouse and looked up to see that they were looking at me fully directly at them. The older Sasquatch jabbed his right hand towards the younger Sasquatch, as if to say, "representationally," and I wouldn't say psychically, but it could have been psychically. He said, "Look, he's your age. Why don't you play with him while you're camping here at Lake Sagandaga?" And I didn't really say anything, I didn't fear them, but I was cautious because they didn't look normal. Now, how do they look? Well, the adults asked what was about seven feet tall and rather thin, had a light cocoa brown fur. His fur and his face looked not unlike Dr. Zeus in Planet of the Apes, but his face was longer than that. It was semi-in and not as semi-in, but certainly his mouth was just a slit very far down on his chin. Now, the boy on his left didn't really look like a Sasquatch, even though he was physically all covered with darker fur. The very sort of tone that the light of both of their fur's took when I originally saw them as I was walking towards the outhouse. The boy looked more like Eddie Munster. He had like a widow's peak. He had very jagged, what are they called, inside their teeth? The sharp teeth on the front of the mouth, on both sides of the front of the mouth, and they were very long. Well, they were sort of vampire-esque, but they were inside his mouth when he closed his mouth, but they were still very long, like three or four times the length of hours. And so I just didn't know what to say, and I realized they weren't speaking English. The older Sasquatch was using a hand gestures. So I just walked around the boy and smiled and nodded, and then as I walked back to our campsite, I looked to my right, and they were both walking slowly through the tall grass, even though that tall grass would possibly for a creature at least that high, the seven foot tall Sasquatch. It would have been visible by campers, including my own family, looking to the back of the campground from their tents or their fireplace or whatever in their campground. So they must have disappeared, literally, into the tall grass. Now, Dr. Melba Ketchum, who found that Sasquatch have the matrilineal or maternal motherly DNA of modern humans and the fatherly or paternal DNA of an unknown primate, she did confirm for me off the record that they disappear. Now Bernie Mendez, my fellow Mars astronaut, stated that he was asked by the government to track some two Sasquatch who were running near the Holliman Air Force Base in New Mexico. And he was sort of chasing them with a helicopter or in a helicopter. And those Sasquatch were clocked at running at 120 miles per hour. Now I've linked that back to the fact that two days later, when I was just throwing this little football around the field near our campsite, the younger Sasquatch ran out of the woods, smiled at me and began playing keep away with me, or go get the ball or whatever kids call that in many years. And this kid was like a Heisman Trophy winner, even though he's like just a year older than me. I mean, he could run like Anthony Davis at USA before he won the Heisman. He was a phenomenal athlete, but my theory is that the Sasquatch don't disappear, but just go from standing there to running away at 120 or more miles per hour. So people think they have disappeared, but he was an incredible athlete. Now the strange thing is about a behavior when we were playing together. Well, I didn't ask him to play with me. I didn't see him ran out of the woods. When I started throwing the ball around the field and I didn't see him up in the woods when I was doing so. In fact, I hadn't seen him since I confront he and the older Sasquatch up near the outhouse. And every time he would go retrieve the football that we were playing with, he would come up to me and not give me the ball right away. But kind of headbutt me by slamming his forehead into my forehead and kind of affectionately rubbing his face back and forth across mine, especially my forehead. And he wasn't trying to kiss me. There was no attempted sexual abuse by either of them. It was just like a Sasquatch way of saying to somebody, Hey, I really like you. Thank you for playing with me. Now the bad side of that is he hit my head so hard with you headbutt that I got a splitting headache and had to spend like the rest of the afternoon taking a nap and in my tent that I shared with my brothers. And his breath was horrible. Both of them didn't smell physically, no B.O., but his breath smelled like a six year old human child that had eaten meat from around age one or two and never breast his teeth. It was God awful halitosis with bad breath. But he was very friendly to me. I finally said something like, I got to go. I've got a really bad headache. And so I took the ball and kind of showed him it was mine. I was leaving. I pointed to the campground and he just kind of smiled and ran back into the wood. But I think this is proof positive that there are different Sasquatches, you know, that there's supposed to be like four major ones. Right. The radio personality Gary Anderson recently told me that he was chased by a dark, apparently male Sasquatch, you know, dark, black or brown, furred male Sasquatch. That was alternatively chasing him by running on two feet and then getting down on four legs. And I witnessed no such behavior by these primates that I met. And so I think we have to be open minded about what exactly we are when we're talking about that. Right. I think there are many forms of humanoids on our planet. I agree with that. Yes. That's why there's so many different accounts and different descriptions of their behavior and personalities and the way they interact and the way they verbalize or don't verbalize. There's so many things to explore there but that's that's very interesting. What happened to you as a child and very specific that we don't typically hear that type of detail coming from a, a sighting or an experience like that. But thank you so much for joining us today. This was great we covered a lot of ground. We've been going for a little over two hours now so we're going to go ahead and wrap this up. Is there any last words you'd like to share or want to let people know how they can find you for interviews or something like that. I think I today show since I mentioned number of TV broadcast so much. I want to just repeat my experience. That television is the fourth branch of government. And if you agree or in condescend to appear on it, you're setting yourself open to be lied about by paid liars. I was lied about by Matt Markovich of KO ammo in Seattle the very major city in the state where I practiced law since 1996. And then my governor Jesse Ventura any gratuitous he lied about me when he did an excellent show about me and even prove my claims and then did this sort of bizarre statement at the end of the broadcast that I hadn't time travel but he was certain I've been a victim in control. Now that apparently was some nonsense scripted for governor Ventura by his producer Michael Braverman. Then I was lied to by Stephen Colbert, whose producer Jeff Cooper stated that they wanted to do a legitimate interview of me to explore how teleportation can alleviate American reliance on Middle East oil supplies. Cut up the interview and made me look like a cosmic a hole, of course, that's what they always do. But then in the case of William Shatner on weirder what I knew that Bill Shatner was a great actor and science fiction, you know, avatar with Star Trek and everything, and that his mediate on that show was going to be humor. And I think he did a pretty funny job with it. So I didn't resent, Bill Shatner's program with me. He's a nice guy. But something strange happened on that show, instead of calling my dad Raymond, they used the name I won't repeat it but the name of a first cousin of mine, one of my dad's nephews. So that's the intel connection to US television. They're constantly subverting true facts, calling truth tellers liars. And talking about, for example, an ET, just use this as an example, talk about an ET presence that my dad was designed in the metal alloy by which the ramjet would be built 70 years ago to drive the craft away from our planet. And they're still trying to use Americans with shows like a paranormal caught on camera. Oh, look at these lights in the sky. They know we're being visited. I was briefed on that 1970 71 that they knew we had been visited by as many as 70 different species of extraterrestals from different locations in the universe. And that for visiting us frequently, the small grace, the tall, great, the amphibians and the Nordics. And of course we have Bill Tomkins testimony about the Nordics versus the reptilians during World War two, with the Nordic supporting the allies, and the reptilian supporting the access power, the Nazis. So I'm very disturbed that true history is not being taught in America, and it's being constantly subverted by American mass media, especially television. It is wrong. And they're literally, imagine if Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins were not allowed to talk about their landing on the moon with Apollo 11. But instead, were had to had to position themselves as participants in a secret space program and asked to be believed when people they knew were known liars were asserting the same accomplishment. I mean that's fundamentally unfair and fundamentally anti American. So I just want everybody to appreciate that and know that I was really subverted in sharing the truth when I agreed to do television programs, not a single one was there, except maybe the travel channel, mystery of the National Park broadcast I did on going back to Gettysburg that was fairly fair. But one of the some of the people there filming it were giving me hell as a liar right when I was filming I think working to believe me that my dad and I worked with the quintessential Manhattan Project business was Harold Agnew and we did. Why don't you just go back to Canada and not make this production. Right, we have to because we were put on you know, so they're the ones that they're the ones who are mind controlled and they're the ones who are literally programmed to keep chasing chasing the story and as soon as they find an answer. You're a liar, you know they don't want to be a liar, they don't want the answer there they want to enter it's for entertainment value, you know, also that knuckle disaster for potential disaster for this great country. And it's wonderful 330 million people in the main wonderful because the Chinese have wanted to take the American mainland for 40 years. And I am not anti Chinese I've had many Chinese Chinese friends over the years. How can I live in California Oregon and now Washington and not just as I have many I've had many friends over the years from other Asian countries. But the bottom line is I've already been briefed by the Intel community that while the Chinese military is somewhat of a paper tiger that the CCP has still wanted to take this country and our food supply. They don't have to buy Washington apples, they can have Washington orchards. In such an event that happened where we would either be dead or slaves to the CCP in our own land. I do not want to see that happen. And I think this pattern of constantly lying to the American people is potentially disastrous to us. How do we know that at some point, opportunists in the deep state might make some Faustian bargain to sell us out to make a couple hundred million or billion from the CCP. So this is a very important issue we need to rediscover what the truth movement meant. It wasn't about science fiction. It wasn't about believing every claim, but we have to become more sophisticated as citizens of this country. Yes, understand the point I just made about television, totally dishonorable and unfair the way that I've been treated on television. What does that tell you about the media. I mean, it tells you everything you know that there's agendas behind what they're telling you truth is not a part of their. Notice up around that they have agendas that are not ultimately my opinion for anyone's good it's for power and control goes back to that it's about how we will lie through our teeth to get you to believe what we want you to believe. And then on the blogosphere, yeah, I can thank radio and podcast broadcasters and written journalists, you know, print journalists for being very fair in the telling of my story. I mean, W was Purdue of the Washington Post, first wrote about my time travel experiences in like 1982, and just said some snarky thing at the end of the piece, like governor and turret did and Matt Markovich of ABC Seattle did. And so for ABC TV Seattle. But at least he was covering me, but I've gotten very fair treatment from radio and podcast broadcaster that's kind of renewed my faith in my fellow Americans and in the first amendment. Right to freedom of speech and press an assembly, and yet television has been so unfair, that I think it would have even been fair to respond with violence to the television personalities you handle me except maybe for bill shot. I still like the guys, funny, he seems coverage but he was still a letting my, like my teleportation information stuff to come out. So, I mean my story is my time travel information is 50 years old when I left project Pegasus, and I left project Mars, what 38 years ago. So we are so far behind reality that we have to contextualize the fact that this kind of deception is regularly being used on television. And then when individuals like myself trained in journalism and history and law and semiotics became effective at proving our true experiences, what they did is begin the blogosphere began to be crowded with what I call the odd opportunity, the delusional and just inform it. So that okay we can't prove these people along. Let's just flood their area of work with false claimants I'm sorry to say that has also happened so it's a mess now, and we're not certainly not being told the truth about things that have been traditionally cabined under what they call the paranormal. Which have just been the advanced but not yet explained or even written about, you know, reveal whether it's ET or time travel technology, what have you, so we have to be much more sophisticated as denizen of information. Right. And we're not being, and I think that's what the problems on the left and the right, I am not. Yeah. Just as I'm not a doctrinaer Christian, I am not a doctrinaer, leftist or rightist. When I ran in 2016 it was as an independent with no party. Very little financial support but I still got about 25,000 to 50,000 votes in about half the states. So, I believe that all the stuff to pull back and realize we're being manipulated, and therefore not make concrete collisions that either Republicans or Democrats are advancing, because there are operatives who are manipulating reality. Well, that's why that's why we're doing what we're doing. I mean, to provide a stage for people like you, and to, you know, come forward and whether or not, you know, this is reaching the right people are not it's still affecting the collective consciousness and I think it's a step forward. And so thank you again for joining us we're going to go ahead and wrap this up before we go on for too long here so we appreciate your time. Thank you for sharing your story. It's an incredible testimony really is. Keep doing what you're doing. Thank you guys all for tuning in. We love you and we will see you next time. Have a great evening. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO]