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EP 102 - (Part 2) Tony Rodrigues - Life In The Secret Space Program - Testimony
Originally aired on 1/10/21
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Tony Rodrigues was abducted from his home in Michigan at the age of 10, went through a torturous MK-ultra type training program, was shipped to Peru to do intuitive work in drug running, and was then taken to Seattle where he was owned as a sex slave for a Satanic worshiping elite. He was then sold off to the Secret Space Program where he served a short time on Mars as a support soldier for Mars Colony Corp. When the Mars program was cancelled he was traded off to the Ceres Colony Corp where he lived for over a decade. He worked on German ships as repairman and eventually cargo engineer on interstellar trade missions. After twenty years, he was retuned to his bed a the age of 10.
Tony has since been an advisor to a foundation on the pedogate elite practices in an effort to stop human trafficking and has worked with hundreds of people with similar types of memories.
Tony Rodrigues
https://www.tonyrodrigues.com/
- Duration:
- 1h 20m
- Broadcast on:
- 30 Jul 2024
- Audio Format:
- mp3
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So we're going to jump back into that, the last, we left off last, he was on Mars, he was telling us about the structures on Mars, what they looked like, they were very similar to a school cafeteria, stuff like that. So Tony, take us from Mars and what happened from there. So truthfully I was on Mars a short time, like six months or so. I was in that forward base for only six weeks and what we were doing mission, we were doing like hiking missions and I believe that they gave us a surgery. They altered us so that we could breathe on Mars. We had surgeries done to us. I believe that they altered just the process of your breathing to make you a little bit because the suit they gave us was an environmental suit that I had but it was open-faced. There was a plastic like a ring around it but I could breathe the air and it did when we exerted ourself the suit knew when your heart rate picked up and it would give oxygen. So there was a very small oxygen tank and it just gave you a puffier there like it knew. So but we were breathing the air there, it was very cold and we went out during the day and we hiked. We would hike four or five kilometers and come back and what was going on was they would take three or six of us and we were in bright white. We were in no kind of camouflage whatsoever. We were given a small gun that was attached. It was attached to our arms so I could put it down and it had a little folding stock that I could bring down and when I put it in my hand it arms the gun and it was a rail gun. It wasn't a laser beam or a ray gun. It was an electric rail gun. And in the lighter atmosphere that worked very well and we were, this is another one, you get the thousand yards there from anybody that doesn't know but there were large insects that were indigenous to the area and that are indigenous on Mars. They were very large insectoids and they are smart. Some of them are smart more like a dog or an animal and some of them are smart like we are and there are different levels of them and they were territorial and we were working on, they were working on cost effective ways of dealing with them. So they had two very expensive, very well equipped soldiers and they had three or six of us basically mind controlled slaves that were very poorly equipped and they were trying to match their numbers boots underground. And we would do hiking missions and we had some combat that happened and there were casualties and what happened was they found that the insects adapted much faster than they expected so they canceled the program. So without going into how that whole thing, you know what I mean like we could talk about a long time if you want about what happened on those missions but there were, I had basically one combat mission where I saw combat. But after that it was canceled and they took me to a larger facility, a city which I believe is Ares Prime but you know the soldiers were, they made fun of us for going there when they said we were reassigned. Like we don't get to go there, I guess it was a big city but I didn't see much of it. When I got there and got out of the hangar, it looked like a hotel, there was a big dome that was underground and it was clear so you could see the dirt right through it. It was like, it was clear and at the very top you could see the sky like the dirt was all the way up around the dome and at the top you could see the sky. And there were palm trees in there, there was a water feature with a water little waterfall that it looked like an airport or a like a shopping mall, it was very comfortable in there. There were military people and civilians and there were women that worked at the desk, they took us in and then they took me to like an apartment. You know I eventually went in and just walked for a ways down hallways and ended up and I had an apartment for the rest of the time I was there. And I was tested again by one of these, the same beings that were on the moon that taught me, you know, the combat, that put me through the combat training, like another round of like a mic control. And at this time I was tested, they were aptitude tests, they were testing me for a new job, to get trained for a new job. And I failed engineering, I failed command, I failed combat, you know what I mean, other media and all that and I ended up on skilled labor and I was like a ship maintenance guy. And it trained me, I got it and then after the aptitude testing it gave me movies and I watched movies all day, it was a very, it wasn't a bad lifestyle, it wasn't fun, but compared to what I had had up to then it was like I had my own bathroom, I had my own sink. When I would go back food was waiting for me in my room and I'd get up and go to class and I'd go home, I'd go back to my little room and it was peaceful, I wasn't abused. And that went on for a while for a matter of months. Whenever you were in combat on Mars, did you suffer any injuries? I was, I did get injured. So there was one, I did three missions where we walked out onto the surface. I did three hiking missions and what they were doing. Quick, could you breathe like on these planets, is it breathable? Well on Mars on the surface, it was like I said, it was breathable. I believe we were surgically altered so that it was more breathable. And the other thing is when we stepped off the, out the door because it's an underground facility and the door opened up kind of out into a cave of a rock and then it went out into, and it was, you know, Mars is dusty but it was rocky where I was. It was like very solid where every now and then there would be dunes but when we stepped out it was into lower gravity. You could feel the lower gravity and it was actually hard to run. You couldn't run, you ended up doing a big like a leap, like a hop. And, but we hiked out, we would hike out and then hike back. And I guess the second mission, there was an engagement that we never even saw, I didn't hear or see anything but there was an engagement and it was a success. When we came back they were all, it was high fives and they were very happy with us. The third mission I guess was more aggressive and we were actually engaged in bad weather by the insect, by the bugs. And we were split up, there were, there were six of us and we had been split up and they got us, they came up on us from behind and there were a lot of them were like a smaller beetle looking bug, you know, a size of a small or a mid-sized dog and they flew and kind of hopped with their wings fluttering and could fly. And there were bigger spider like bugs that just leaped as they went and they got us from behind and one of them came up from behind and they took my arm right off, I lost an arm and it helped me down and there was an interact, there was a mantid and I have a really good art drawing of it from a talented artist I worked with but there was a mantid and there was an interaction like it interacted with me and scanned me for what I was, what I was, what my purpose was and you know, going through the whole thing, it showed me my life up to that point, like there was an interaction where it telepathically and it was very professional, like it was a person, you know, when you acted with a being telepathically, you get the idea that it's a person people go, well it doesn't speak English but there is, you know what I mean, there's still on a telepathic level, you know, there's access towards once you're a certain level of intelligence, you're talking a few hundred thousand words and that's a level of intelligence that you know, we tended to refer to all those as people and it was a person, so what it did was it came up and it took me into a dream state and it showed me my life to that point, like it showed, it looked and saw, like I was in Peru and then I was in, you know, in your current and then I was on the moon and it was checking out what exactly I was or how much of a threat I was going to, you know, we were going to be to it and it let me, I begged it for my life and it let me live. Another bug bit my foot off, we had auto-tourniquets and I put one on and I crawled over two of the other guys were killed and I grabbed one of their auto-tourniquets and put it on and two of the soldiers came and basically carried me back to the base. What's an auto-tourniquet? It was, so the soldiers had them in their armor automatically, so if they lost a limb, the armor would, had several tourniquets through it, so if they lost a hand, the armor would turn a kit and stop them from bleeding, if they lost an arm, there would be another tourniquet here. We didn't have that, we had like a, almost like a rubber suit that we had on, so we had, it was about the size a little smaller than a pack of cigarettes, a box and it had a cord on one side and a button on it and what you did was, if you lost your arm, you'd grab the box and pull the cord out, put it over and hit the button and it would turn a kit. Rather than having to apply it and turn it, it would cut off circulation, so we only had one each and I had one, I put it on my arm and then I crawled over to another guy and took his and put it on my foot and then I started crawling back to base and I would. Did you end up in a regen tank or how did you regrow those bolts? He was, I lost a lot of blood and I was trying to go to sleep and we had in our suit on the pants area, it would give you a shot, like a, like a, there was a shot, we call them shots and you know, it would, it would kill pain and it would, it would make you, like when we did hit the shot, we could run a lot faster and it was, it was a stimulant, you know, and so I had a couple shots on the way back, but when we ran out of those, I started passing out and he would, he was slapping me to keep me from going to sleep and as soon as I saw the doors to the base, when we made it back to the doors in the, you can see, you know, like I said, it was a cave face that had set of doors in it. As soon as I laid eyes on those, he let me go to sleep and I passed out. I woke up in the, you know, the, it was an infirmary, they called it, or hospital, but on the first floor, I woke up in my bed the next morning with my arm and my foot back. It was that fast, there was no, it wasn't like the Luke Skywalker tank or anything, like I literally slept through the procedure, I was passed out and when I woke back up, I did not feel like a million bucks, but I had my arm back, you know, and it was just as good. I mean, there was no, I didn't lose ability out of it, it was great. It was like noticeably like sewn back on or just grown back. It was perfectly, there was no seam, there was no mark, it was fine. Also earlier on, in, in your current during the, wow, so I haven't really talked about this much, but in, in your current during the trauma based mind control, there was a time when he called all the kids in and he put a thing on our arm and he dislocated my shoulder. And some kids got a broken arm out of it and he would say, I'm a doctor, this is just part of the program. And we were, he was gauging pain and reaction to pain, but he dislocated my, my right shoulder. And as for years afterwards, like there were times in the middle, I'd be sleeping a night, it would dislocate again. It was easily dislocated after that. After that instance, when I, after I was healed, my shoulder never dislocated again. So that was fixed as well. Wow. However, that was, but basically once you get it dislocated, it's easy to happen again. And it did, it did dislocate, you know, for years after that, because I was at a young age when he did it, but after that instance, it never happened again. Wow. Yeah. I mean, the technology, the healing technologies incredible. I mean, we hear about these regen tanks. We hear about everything. Like people die and they, they get thrown into a regen tank and they, they like respawn like a video game. And it's, that's really hard to comprehend that. Cloning technology. And you got to think as soon as they came out with cloning technology, it was immediately banned. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was banned within days of human cloning was banned within days of the clone first clone chief. Well, I've heard, I've heard the, I mean, I've read a secret journey to Planet Serpo. It's a book talks about a lot of the secret space program and some stuff, but it talks about the entire World War one army being a clone army. I mean, it's that insane. And I, and I've heard, I've heard James Rank and Johan Fritz, or James Rank verify that from some intel he got also is the first time I ever heard that corroborated, but it's been going on for a long time. I mean, I don't know. Obviously we don't know. But I do think the clone program is something that we're going to see disclosed fairly soon. It's probably the cornerstone of a lot of innovative things, you know, especially when you're talking about limb regrowth, you know, just, it just seems like, you know, it would be easier to clone the entire body than, you know, one organ or limb at a time, but that was the experience. I didn't, you know, there were a couple times I was injured. I was injured again further, you know, in the future from the serious colony, I was burnt very badly once. And that I went through the same experience where they took me to the hospital. And I, when I went to sleep, I woke up and I was fine. It was that fast. It was, it wasn't a matter of days or weeks. It was overnight that they would fix you almost completely. Yeah. So that's, that's amazing. So, okay, so you're at Mars, you're hanging out near the palm trees, Harry's prime, wherever. So we're, when you do you go from there to series, the series, your next stop? Yes. And so after a while, I saw I was trained in, you know, it's funny is a lot of it, a lot of the training wasn't so much fixing or operating the ship. It was showing how to use some tools, the training, but it was a lot of it was fire suppression and what to do in an emergency, a lot, seriously, like 40% of everything that I learned was just basically what to do in a fire, you know, like there was a lot, that's what I remember the most was being trained on protocols for if there's a fire or an emergency or, you know what I mean? Like if there was a vacuum, things to do for that. One day rather than there was always, there was always an officer, like a soldier, there was always a soldier that came and picked me up and walked me to class, which was, you know, like a, like a five minute walk. After a while, he let me do it on my own. And they would check on me and I'd go back to my room and they would pop in and check on me. I guess they had cameras on me. This was on Mars? On Mars? During that time there. Yeah. So one day, somebody completely different, the one of the guys from the original time that I was dropped off there, like, like an officer, he showed up in my room in the morning he said to come with me and you're done here and you can leave all that. I just had breakfast, there was food. I just had breakfast and he said, you can leave that, come on. And we walked somewhere that I'd never been before. And again, the architecture there was fancy, you know, like the hallway had a tall ceiling and there was a curve, like a wavy effect, you know, that would go through it. And it was red cement with color with blue, you know what I mean, it was, it was aesthetically pleasing. The way it was, it didn't look like a military, you know, like, like the moon, the moon base when I was there wasn't much to look at. It was small hallways or concrete walls. That was it. It wasn't fancy at all. Everywhere in the Mars colony where I was was, you know, made to be comfortable. So we walked for quite a ways and we opened up, we went around and it was a full on train station and there were hundreds of people there waiting for a train. A big train came in and we went in, he took care of my admission to it. We got in the train to set down and it had, it had, just like the roller coasters have the bar that clicks down over your lap, it had that, there was a bar that clicked down and it when they turned it on, it left, it jumped up a little, you could feel it hop up and it was levitating basically over the track and it accelerated, accelerated. There was a poof, you know, I mean, like, I don't know how else to say it. It wasn't like a flash of light, but it was the feeling of a poof and where you kind of feel disoriented afterwards, like poof and then a dizzy feeling and it was immediately slowing down at that point. And after that poof, you could feel it decelerating and it stopped and they said you, over the intercom, they said, be sure to drink water, your electrolyte, you're going to need water. And when we walked out, they had a, they had people there giving water out to people, they made sure to give us, we got like the little one, some people had bottled water, they gave us just, we were military, so they gave us just one little, those little triangle cups, you know, the water cooler cups, those flash of water and it was just, yeah, to read, to do something with your electrolytes. And I was on series, that was the trip, that was the entire trip. It was a matter of minutes and I looked and they walked me right around the corner, right out from where the train dropped us off and it was a huge hanger and there were hundreds of people lined up, soldiers lined up, young boys that they were. And there was a disc that flew right over me. There was a, just like on your shirt, pretty much, a little smoother, it didn't have the rings like that one, but at the same site, it was a disc and it slowly hovered right over us and went into, went down the hall and down into another hanger and you could feel, when it went over, all my hair stood up, like static electricity, you know what I mean? And it was, yeah, it wasn't quite silent, but it was silent, but you could feel the electricity from it and it went right over us and I was like totally in shock of what was, I was seeing because I was not brief that I was going anywhere, I thought I was going to go somewhere else on Mars. I was not brief that I was going and they, and this was, you know, to use the term Nazi Germany, is it right? This was a German culture, they weren't Nazis, you know what I mean? Like I said, Penny one time said, you know, you don't call them, they won't be space Democrats, you know, they call them space Nazis is like saying space Democrats, it's, there's a different organization. This was the germ, this was that culture, so I call them Germans, but basically it was a series colony corp, which is a breakaway Germany group. Well, from they were speaking German. It seems like German Germans have a vast presence in space, I mean, because they were the first ones up there and they have breakaway civilizations and, and, you know, absolutely, it means everywhere. Yeah. So I guess as the colonies have taken place in, in our solar system that because our solar system isn't really that inhabited that there's actually quite an infrastructure of other species in our solar system. And it's a very busy airspace, especially around Jupiter that basically that the area around Jupiter is one of the more frequented in our area of the galaxy. It's a very, very popular place that anybody from the earth that goes up there has to have a sponsor and the Germans were the first ones to have a sponsor by from the Draco from the reptilians that sponsored them and set them up with places to be an early trade trading for technologies, kind of like, you know, like a smaller country that has America, the United States sponsor them so that they have security and it was the same way with the German. So the United States has a different arrangement up there, possibly underneath the Germans or alongside them with a different species altogether. You know, the solar warden program has a different sponsor, but you really can't go far in the early time of space travel without a an organized sponsor, someone to sponsor you up there. So the Germans were the first ones to be sponsored and they're actually quite developed. Yeah, I mean, I can only imagine that, I mean, they have to, I mean, well, obviously they're not letting us even we don't even understand that we can develop this technology and leave. So, you know, these these groups that do get get a chance to leave, they're not just going to be able to just freely roam about, you know, yeah, right, they're not you're not going to fly and find a bunch of uninhabited planets out there that pretty much everywhere has already been settled, you know, within within our vicinity of the galaxy, well, is pretty much all been inhabited. And that would that would mean that there's some sort of set of laws up there, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. And with how does that work? Does every planet have their own set of laws or what? How does that work? So, so there were several times on my ship for the series column that we broke, but we knowingly broke laws up there, okay, there are laws that are regarding putting people back like people that are taken for a 20 year tour, there are laws regarding how that happened. Like there's a date that you have to come back and there's a law and they have to put you back or they're going to be in, they can be in trouble. Earlier, we talked about time travel and a lot of people go, well, what about you can't have time travel because what if, why wouldn't you go back and just kill so and so or go back and change everything. There are laws about it. So that the series colony had found had pushed the laws of time travel as far as they could kind of like, I always say this like, I hate to go on record, I hate to say this publicly, but you know, I go nine miles an hour, I set the cruise control and nine miles an hour everywhere I go, because the police don't bother with you until you're at 10 miles over. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, you know, there's a five over ticket and then there's a 10 over ticket. So if you're going nine over, he can only write me the five over ticket. So it's not worth it. So they'll let you go. And I've drove right by many police at exactly nine miles over the speed limit. So I drive that everywhere I go. The Germans had did the same thing with time travel. They did the same kind of thing like they figured out how to put how to travel time and basically be able to anti it's called anti telephoning. They call it anti telephoning. They could scrub missions that went wrong because they came back a few minutes before it left five minutes away. And they stretch the law because there are advanced beings that police time travel that are totally outside of time space. And they can see the whole of time space and what happens so they can see what you do in the future and how it happens like they have access to that there are beings that live in that on that plane of existence and they actually police time travel. So that's important to know that and you're talking about we when you think about the the programs and you asked about the laws, you have to think that there are being we are not the top of the food chain. We are not the most advanced life form. Obviously. Well, it's a tough pill to swallow because we've been told we've been taught that we are. Well, either directly or indirectly. We've been taught that humans are the NRDNA if it's turned on, which it's not right now. We we actually are very, very advanced, but yeah, advanced shut down right now. Well, so the Germans, the series colony, we were there were people. And like I said, at our level, and it was about number of words. But there was another they went. Meta human person, meta person, uber person. There was another one. There was a level that you got to that could like basically like a that there was a being that they talked about. There were beings that they talked about that were almost like a cute like in Star Trek, like, like beings that could manipulate matter with their minds, if they could turn a coffee cup into an apple with their minds. And then there was a level of technology that no longer required technology that it was 100% consciousness base. And you had to be a certain level of development. Like these are beings that are that they look at us the same way that we look at our dog or our dog or our cat. They're that far, you know, you're further. You say it's a being like a cube? Cube. No, like a cube. I meant like a Star Trek. Like a being that I just thought you said a cube. Okay. No, no, no, beings that travel without without a ship, they can just instantly they can mentally go anywhere they want or manipulate matter with their minds. And these are and these beings have they speak in millions of words. We have a we have a few hundred thousand words. The next one up has half a million to a million words. Some of these beings have millions and millions of words that they communicate with. And that's that was on the scale of consciousness. You know, it's basically consciousness. It could be. And I said this in other interviews, I said it could be a other planets have other have had other species evolve to the point of humans. So it's they're not all just like us. There are some of them that look like a rat or some of them that look like, you know, a dog or whatever. One of the animals in the ecosystem takes the next evolutionary step and has 150,000 200,000 words and is a person. And it could be anything. It could be a bucket of goo. It could be a bucket of goo. If it speaks 150,000 words, it's a person because you can communicate with it and reason with it. And so that's the threshold that the Germans, they had a they had a class of people and they wanted to do business with the people with millions of words. Those were the ones that had the technology, the advances in technology that they wanted. Wrong. That was the goal. I think my vocabulary is like 200 words. 200 words. I tell you what mine isn't that great. I've had a lot of people and even in the professional world, tell me that I speak to a little too ghetto, you know what I mean? Like I'm from the hood. But you know, it is what it is. I'd rather I'd rather speed. I'd rather a few honest words than a million fake ones. Yes. And yeah, operating from the heart. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Okay, so series was series where you got mugged or was that somewhere else? See, it was series colony. So I want to, I think it's important that this crux, this bit of events of how it how it came place because I want to talk about the list. Yeah, it's going to come out a bit. You know, we spoke about earlier, I think that was off camera. Yeah. When I got when they decommissioned my first ship that I worked on for the series colony got it was an old summary. It was old. And they decommissioned it. So then I got retrained for a new position. I went to like a school and what this time on so on series colony, there wasn't the white, the gray beings, they were people and I went to a standard classroom. I went to a classroom just like, you know, we would, but it we had it was a little bit more high tech, but I learned for a new position in a classroom. I took classes, went to a new ship and became a cargo engineer. And I was able to sit in on the mission briefings in the morning. So first thing in the morning, I did not go to my my station. I went to the bridge and there was a meeting room behind it. And I sat in on the mission reports because they needed to know how much space was available in the cargo bay. They I provided a report of empty space and taken space. What was basically, I had two cargo base that I was responsible for. So that was I did that in the mornings and after the ship got up and running. So in the very beginning, they never really talked to me much and they the meeting happened in German. So I didn't understand it. They could flick a switch and there was a translator like an implant we had. There was a translator that all of a sudden I could understand what they were saying in vice versa. So they would turn it off for most of the meetings. So we couldn't understand what was what was going on. After a few months and they started getting paid, like when they started having missions that were successful, the crew, the Germans that were in charge, the captain and the Corvette captain, those guys, they were getting bonuses for when the mission panned out and when they did well. And they voted and they voted to decide to give everybody at the table some form of pay. And I started to get like 20 bucks a week as a as a base pay. Like if you think I had about the same buying power as we have for about 20 bucks a week, they were in Frank they called them Frank's. Wow. And there was also like a sharing like once in a while when we did good, I would get a bonus. I would get one time I got a $40 bonus, you know, like an extra bonus. So with that came the ability. So I was free. I was a basically a slave, but I was after I was off duty and I went back to the barracks. I was free to do what I would I could come and go as I pleased. But it was like four kilometers to the next town of a walk. And it was a it was a couple bucks to buy a ticket on the train. And I never had money. And I wasn't going to walk eight kilometers round trip to go and be broke in a town. You get what I'm saying. So I never did that. But guys did guys from the barracks did that. So we're walking it down with come with us. And I was like, you know, go ahead. As I got paid, then I all of a sudden they said, you know, today is your payday. What are you going to do? And I said, you know, I mean, get up. He's like, get a get a train ticket, pick somewhere and go and explore and stay out of trouble. And one one of the officers said, make sure you go to the red light district. And I didn't know what that was. But he was like, make sure he's like, find it out. He's like here. He's like, I'm even going to show you on the map. He's like, make sure you go there. Like he was said, he said, make sure he's like, I want to hear about it. He wanted to, you know what I mean? Like he was fun. He was fun with me. But in the beginning, I saw I got a train ticket and I went out that day and I got lost. And I got, I was in an area that was all civilians and none of them wanted to even speak to me because I had a slave collar on. I had a collar and I had a uniform that identified me and every all of a sudden I was in where there are plainclothes to everybody. And I was completely lost. I didn't even know how to get back to the train. I just got lost. And I saw two beings, two ETS. One was like a feline looking humanoid and the other was like, looked more like like an aquatic thing, like a fish person. Yeah. An aquafarian. And how could you take me seriously, right? But that's what it was. They were both in like a baby blue uniform. It looked like a military uniform. So I thought they might help me out because they were military. The few people that I tried to speak to completely ignored me to go away. Don't, don't talk to me. Like I asked, tried asking for help. So I walked up to them and they said, what do you and they were probably in the same boat. They were in a bad situation themselves. And they said, they immediately got kind of hostile with me and said, what are you even talking to me for? You're a slave. What are you doing here? Do you have any money? How are you? And I said, can you point me to where the train station is so I can go back to my base, please? And I said, yeah, I've got money and I reached in my pocket, pulled it out and they immediately basically took it, beat me up and took it from me. And I don't want to get into like a lot of, I just want to say that when I went back to the mission briefing the following day I had a black eye and they were going to take it away. They were like, they were going to say, no more. We shouldn't even look at him. He's going to get killed. We shouldn't even let these guys have money and let go out. So look at this because it was a disaster. But because of that system that was in place, I want to fast forward and what's pertaining to the list that we're talking about. This is something that's going to happen in our community in the Secret Space Program community in the next year, according to others. That's going to be a major event. There's a supposedly a list that the Nachtwaffe and the Germans have turned over to the Alliance in order to be members. And it's a list of everybody that's ever been abducted or participated in their program. Later on, I had made relationships that day in the red light district and so much that I even had a girlfriend that was another slave that worked in a basically a brothel right there in that area where I was booked. I was taking a girl came out and kind of helped me and brought me in. And I was able to go back there for free and just kind of sit there every day. And that's where I went because when I went into public, it was humiliating. When I went into public areas, I was a slave or clone slave, whatever you want to call it. They knew you were a slave have by something you were wearing. I had a collar. There was a collar. We had literally a shock collar that you could be shocked and disciplined. And a jumpsuit, I wore a suit that identified me as such. So everybody knew and it was humiliating. So I went there and over time, I had a girlfriend and we were saving up money. I don't know how adult you want to get into this, but we were saving up money so that right before I left, I could buy time with her. One day, I had a bonus of like a $40 bonus and on my walk from the hanger to the train, there were shops. There were shops. And one of them had been empty for a while and came up and there was a television outside. They had a commercial and it showed somebody getting a psychic reading. And it was the same and they had the IV bag and the same procedure, like what I was doing in Peru. It was the same technique. It was a younger child that they were drugging and giving people psychic readings. And I wanted to know what that was like to be on the other end because that's what I did early on in my service. So I knew it was real. And I asked people, they said, "No, that stuff's not real. Don't even mess with it. They're not going to give you any real info." And I asked the officers on the ship about it, but still the curiosity was much. And I went and paid and went in there and got a reading. And it was a half gray, half human looking. Like it was a gray girl that had hair, like human hair. Like a hybrid. Yes. And it was the same. It was cheesy. It was the word. It was grody. It was grimy, the area. It was an unclean place. And it was very, very Spartan. She was in a bed with a curtains around her and you got to sit down and you got to ask her three questions. And that was it. And you get 30 minutes with three questions. And then you know what I mean? They were very like, hurry up and get out. It was 40 bucks. I went in and asked her and she said that I was going to remember. She said that I was, that when I went back to the earth, she said it like that. And once it was very big, what she said, and she said a few other things. Honestly, the third one, I don't even remember. I don't even think I asked her. I think I only asked her two questions. And it ate up the time. I asked her about my girlfriend, what would happen? And she said, she, I would remember her. And that's that was the deal that I was, I was going to remember my time and there was whatever. I don't want to get in that. But because of that, I went back and told my captain that. And I said so the next day at the mission briefing, I'm sitting at the table on the ship and what'd you do? And they, you know, there was a little time, a social time when the meeting started. So what did you guys do? And I said, I went and got that reading and they all said, nonsense, you're not going to remember anything because they're going to give you a lobotomy. They'll know because there's a temporal, there's a chrono visor device that they can see when they put you back, they can tell your future, the probable future. And if you do remember that, they'll reprogram you. And if that don't work, they'll give you a lobotomy. And one of the officers says, it's nonsense, you're never going to go back and remember, because they'll give you a lobotomy, you'll be crippled. I got along very good with my captain. I cover a lot of it in the book, but basically there was missions that came up in the future. And he deleted my record. He was the one that he deleted my record. So that, and that's exactly what happened is that the very end after my return, like when I went back to the moon at the end of my 20 year tour, they put me back in my 10 year old body, then they put me through the chrono visor to see what was going to happen. And they realized that I was going to remember it. And they put me through another round of trauma based mind control. And when that didn't work, there was a reptile that was walking me to surgery. They said, too bad, you're going to get a lobotomy. They were going to put me back in my bed that next morning, mentally crippled. They were going to just give me a lobotomy. And I would, I would wake up the next day and forever be whatever crippled. When I got to the surgery center to get that, they said, there's no record of him. We can't, we can't perform surgery on somebody that's not in the system at all. We can't do that. Just put it back. Because even if he does remember, it's not going to matter. There's no record of him. So, and the guy that was like my chaperone was a reptile. He was my chaperone. I spent the day with him, basically. And he was had, he was bummed, you know, like that I was going to get this treatment. He went, he said, boy, is this your lucky day? Come on, let's get you back. And I went and they put me back in my bed. I woke up the next day back in 1982. I literally, I woke up. It was, you know what it was? It was the scene and back to the future. It was exactly like that. You know, back to the future when Marty McFly woke up and everything was kind of right, he went and woke up back in his bed. Like, after he went after that whole thing, it was exactly that kind of feeling. Like, I woke up and I looked in my room and I went, I'm back in my room. And I went, what? These are my toys. I went, you know what I mean? Like, I was back to being a kid. Like, I knew that I was gone. I had the experience of being gone for 20 years, but I didn't have the memories of it. I just had that feeling. Wow. The feeling of the disorientation of it. Like, if you were gone for somewhere and then you were zapped back, I had that disorientation. The next, I went down and I told my family, you know, I haven't seen you guys this so long. So I gave my mom a big hug. We sat and had breakfast and I was just like lost, man. And I was different, you know, months in the future. My dad, my dad even remarked to you like, what did you change? He said, I want my son back. You know, he's like, you've changed. I was, I was never the same. Like I said, my grades fell off. I lost all, I lost all motivation in school. Well, grades don't matter because you were being indoctrinated anyway. So yeah, well, you know what I mean? Like, you know, another, another few zeros on my income would hurt though. Sure. Yeah. So, what was I going to say? Going back to, oh, the list. So, so you're talking about this list that is apparently supposed to be disclosed to the public from somewhere in another that's going to have a list of everybody that served in the SSP and that you were eliminated from that list because you saw a psychic because of that experience. Because of that, my captain knew that I was going to go back and be, you know, modified. He knew that I was going to go through a terrible procedure and he spared me that. And he was that kind of person. He was that, he was that kind of person. I had several private conversations with him where he would keep me after the meeting and I sat and we were, you know, I don't want to say buds or friends, but we were, you know, he relied on me, you know, in a straight. It was kind of like I was his project. You know, he, he liked to me more than he'd like the other guys that were at my rank, I guess. We were, we had a, we had a report with each other and he spared me that. I was, well, the more I think about it, that that's exactly what happened at the end of that because I always remember that procedure when they took me to that and then he said, boy, this is your lucky day. How'd that happen? You know? Yeah. So tell me more about this list. How did you. Well, there was a bluerist of other whistleblowers have talked about it and I can see it as, you know what I mean? Like, I got to dance around this subject as, as gently as possible, but I take it as kind of an attack, you know what I mean? It's going to be a debunking thing like, hey, well, you're not on the knock-o-op list. So all of your, you know what I mean? Like, there are some whistleblowers out there that are making money doing this and it behooves them to debunk everybody. So more power to them. That's great. But all the info that it gets added on the pile, pre-disclosure is better. And I'm also curious about this list of what, so what's on series then? Because I'm the only person really, well, certainly the first that spoke of a base on series colony. And let me tell you that there's absolutely no way that a planetoid that size with that much water in it is uninhabited at this point in our history. So if they come out and say, well, there's a base on series, but everything Tony says wrong, I'm not going to really accept that base value. Other people talk about series, Alex Collier talks about it. Johan Fritz has been there on one of his missions. Alex Collier says it was destroyed, it was like the inside was turned to glass. I don't know if that's accurate. I mean, but either way, the way he discusses it. So it's not like you're the only one talking about this place. Well, I was the first. Okay. I was in 2015. But Alex Collier mentions it in the same breath as Fobos. And I think he may have mistaken it for demos, Fobos and demos. He said, Fobos and Cirrus have been turned to glass. He said that because because I went back, someone told that to me in my with Scott and Revan, they told me that and he sent me a link to that interview and I watch it. So, you know, whenever you're talking about a like a channeling info, it can be right and wrong at the same time. So I'm hoping that that loss of life didn't happen because at the time that I was there, there was about 225,000 people that were living there. And so if that was, if it did meet with some form of warfare, that would be a huge loss of life of innocent people as well. Johan's. So I had him on my show a few weeks ago. And what was great was that he remembers some overlap that there he experienced hypoxia that the atmosphere on series wasn't the cleanest and that there was a lack of oxygen. And what I remember is that the door is the hangar complex where all the ships came in was miles big, 10, maybe 20 miles worth of network of of hangar that was that had giant doors open to space on one end, like an airlock at one end. And what had happened, what I remember that happened often was that the doors wouldn't close all the way, it would leak air out. And so that hangar complex that was, you know, 10 miles big would leak air at one side. So they had pumps that would bring air in, but it didn't do it fast enough. Sometimes it was worse than others. So we had low oxygen in that area. And we would on purpose walk from the ship instead of taking the train to go get our to the trade window, which was basically the bank, instead of taking the train, which it was like a two kilometers, we would walk it. And then when we got through the revolving doors at the end, when you walk through the door, you would get to the pure oxygen and take that first breath. And it was like a great feeling. It was, you know, we did that just for that. It was like a neat, you know what I mean, we walked it. And it was a bit of exercise, it was something different, you know, and Johann recalls the air and not being very breathable. And he had overlapping through the same exact thing. And he was unaware that it was he wasn't, he was like, what? I said, no, it was the hangar area. He said, no, it was serious. But as I asked him more questions, I don't think he traveled very far throughout the colony. Like he didn't go to a lot of other places. Sure. I asked him if he went to the Red Light District. I think he stayed near the hangar bay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that I mean, I've heard through channeling, I've heard about this list also. And I was told that it was, it was going to be intentionally incomplete. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. We're talking about organizations like not only, not only the series colony corp or the Germans and not the Antarctic Germans, the actual alliance, everybody involved, the LLC, the Draco base on the moon, even here on Earth. We're talking about the most classified, most secretive organizations in the history of all of mankind. So if you expect a straight answer or a complete anything list out of them, you know what I mean? I got land to sell you because there's absolutely no way that I'm going to buy that they're going to that, you know what I mean? Even if I was a bystander, if I was a fan of this info, there is absolutely no way that I would believe that they're going to release a complete list of everybody that was ever involved in every base and every ship and every location whereabouts of what there's just absolutely no way that any organization would do that, let alone a military based organization. Well, luckily for you, we're moving into the age of knowing. So skeptics will no longer be a thing once this awakening happens and people resonate, people know the truth. It's like direct knowing. So the people who listen to you who are going through this, they know you can feel it. Anybody who's any type of empath or even even even mainstream people can understand that you're not lying just by reading your body language. So and you've done hundreds of interviews, are over a hundred interviews now. Look, and I'm the first to say like, for me, it's the experience of remembering something 35, 38 years ago. You know, so there it's going to be on that regard, just human error of the consistency. I get that. I also open to the fact there are people that suggested that they were fake memories implanted, that there are other things like I'm not, I don't have other symptoms in my day to day life. I don't have schizophrenia. I don't have any kind of mental problems. I'm not being treated. I'm not on any medication. I'm a normal guy and I work a trade and I have a life, you know. Sure. So, but if I was implanted with the information, it's a great deal of information. It's not a small, I didn't get implanted with one in an abduction experience or one or two things. I got a duck implanted with correct information of the salt deposits on series, also of locations in Seattle and Peru and California. I've also found documents facing that reclassified the buildings that I remember in your current airbase as special real estate, special designation, which freed them from local law enforcement. Yeah. So, if you were the CIA and you were going to do a program like that, they would face that classification. I got paperwork about it. I got the document. So, if I was programmed, if somehow I'm wrong and not on this list or whatever, it also merits investigation. Do you get one of my points? Like, absolutely. Why would you, why would you give some, do this to somebody, pluck somebody out, give them this memory and let them go on about, why would you bother? Because what ultimately, what is the effect of me coming forward and speaking? It's not a big effect? Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, you have to think that on some level, your higher self set this up for you to be the one to remember to come disclose this. And there's a group of everybody right now that is disclosing this information. And that's their mission. That's your mission. I am actually shocked. There are way a lot more of us. I feel that there should be more. And a lot of people that I speak to that are coming forward, they say things that I don't remember, that don't, you know, I'm saying there's a lot of people that have a lot of info that has zero overlap. And that doesn't mean that I'm wrong and they're wrong. It just means that, yeah, you know, I mean, they were somewhere different than me. And it shows the the versatility of these programs that some of them are radically different than the others. Yeah, yeah, I've heard. I think that there is, I think there's only this, there's only a small handful because of what's allowed to happen on this planet. And I think the collective can only handle so much either. Or also, I think it's really difficult for somebody that's only ever watched CNN and Netflix to tune into this and, and, and resonate in, you know, until they see it, until they see it on Netflix and CNN, they won't believe it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Until, until they see it presented from them. It's kind of like somebody, they can, you know, like in traffic, somebody can get a teenager can get out of their car and go, wait, stop, stop, stop. And people will just drive right by them. But if an adult stands there with a hat with a, with a uniform, please stop, they'll hit the brakes. Yeah. And it's just perceived authority. It's not actual authority. Exactly. That's a great analogy. Yeah. It really is just like the white coat theory, you know, studies are shown that people listen to somebody wearing a white coat over some laboratory, right? Exactly. Like somebody in a hospital, if a kid comes up and says, you guys got to move, he'll be ignored. But if somebody comes up with a white coat on in their 20s, you guys got to move people who get up and move. Exactly. It's perceived authority. And that's what the news is. That's all it is. It's the same. It's all psychological manipulation is our whole mainstream society is that's literally all of this. I watched a video where this guy put on a safety vest, a hard hat, and he was carrying a ladder, and he's trying to see how many places he can get into. And he got, and he got past security in the airport, carrying a ladder wearing a hard, hard hat and safety vest. Yeah. Because it's just all how you perceive it. But talking about the psychological aspects, something I've heard you talk about was, you had to do some type of training, and you, you were running in the programs that they may, they were making you run every day. And something you said, I thought was fascinating. Your officer told you or whoever told you that to imagine it was going down. When you're running forward to look at the wall, how do you, but imagine that the wall was gravity and you were going down and it helped you run longer. It would help you go further, exactly. So they were well aware that your consciousness can manipulate reality. They're well aware of that, that we are in a quantum holograph, and that we're in a conscious based, consciousness based reality, not a reality with consciousness in it. So they were well aware that. So what happened was we, we, it was a swimming, it was a swimming break on the ship. We were on another planet, on an ocean, on another planet. We had a layover and they let us go swimming. And I went down and, and the ship, the ship was hard-capped at 10 meters off of any surface. So it was 10 meters above the water where it would stay and the computer did that, not the pilot. So they lowered a cargo net down and everybody's like, just jump, you can just jump. And I didn't, I was, you know what I mean, I wasn't good at it. And I climbed down and I went swimming. And when I climbed up the cargo net, I got winded and I stopped and rested. And one of the, one of the German, he was a kid, he was younger than me, but he was a German soldier, basically. He said, what are you doing, resting? He said, get up there. And I said, I need to rest. And he reported me. So they made me go take a physical test and they sent me to PT. And I had to go after, after the ship got back in the dock each day, I had to go to the gym and work out. And the, the coach, I guess the, the instructor there, when I had a hard time running laps told me that he said, your consciousness determines your reality. He was well aware of that. And he said, just imagine that you're going down that the wall, every wall you're looking at is down and you're running down the vertical surface of a wall, rather than running forward. And just keep that in your mind. And then when you turn the track, because it was an indoor track, it was a gymnasium. He said, when you turn to the next wall, just imagine that's down to that was, I swear it didn't help though. I hated that, man. I hate, I was so happy when it was over. So if you're, it was like, it was like six months of that. So if you're, if you're benching a bench press, just imagine the ceiling's down. It's down. Yeah. And you're letting it, you're holding it down. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it might have some effect to get one more wrap or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like probably like, at some level, like a mill, like a milla effect of, you know what I mean? Like, like there is no spoon type. Yes, exactly. Yeah. So when do we expect to see this? List, do you have any information on who's supposed to be releasing this list? Man, I tell you what that a year ago, I had just from people from talking to other guys, you know, occasionally we talk on the phone, other insiders and, you know, email and things. And just some other things that I heard a year ago, I had a kind of a rough draft in my head of how it was going to go down. And, you know, how we were going to get a disclosure. That's all totally demanding devastated in this last month. You know what I mean? Like, in this last year, like, really, it's up for grabs. It's kind of like, you know, you, there were the forces that be that are in charge of everything and you kind of had an idea of what they had it for a goal. And you could see them working toward it. But now all I see is them fighting over things and you know, like, again, we're at January 5th, 2021 right now. And I think tomorrow and the next few days are going to be historical. Yeah. Yeah. You know, whether, however it pans out, I think I think we're going to add a real crossroads in history, especially the United States. And we're going to see how what happens. But, you know, history is going to look, I think that everybody here doesn't, as of this moment, doesn't realize how pinnacle this is. And so I don't really have a clear idea of how disclosure is going to play out. The list, like I said, the list, it just doesn't make sense that there would be a list like that that would be released. I mean, who would do that? Yeah, right. Even in peacetime, no army would do that. Sure. Sure. Nobody would do that. It's just, it's just too self-defeating. There's just no way. You're not going to get a list of all the black budget programs existing underground here on Earth. Like when they release a list of every CIA asset in the world right now? No. Apparently, they deal with the CCP, 2 million people, right? Really? Yeah, but, but what kind of faith do you have that that's complete? It was all, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. But it was, it was quite a big of people assets all over the world and embedded in all the suckets related to the league. It's not going to be released. Exactly. And it wasn't officially, right? It's not going to be. Yeah. That's a good point. Wow. Yeah. So they're going to take steps towards a disclosure. I think that the difference in a lot of testimonies and whistleblowers now is an attempt that some are endorsed by certain programs. Some, your best whistleblowers are probably still active representations of a program. If I am, it's unbeknownst to me, right? But I think that they're going to want to give us a disclosure that brings people up to speed quickly, but also keeps them in the dark about the real important stuff. They're going to give us someone else said that, you know, like another whistleblower gives us 90% of the truth with 10% of the lies. And those 10% of lies are more dynamic than all the truth can overcome. That's like the biggest, that's the important stuff. I think that's what we're going to get. That's the best sign up possible. That's people say that that happens. That's just the best way to manipulate somebody. Sure. You know, yeah. I think that we know that we're not going to get the full truth. I mean, I've heard a theory that like the wave of whistleblowers coming out now about the SSP is just about a specific program that the collective can handle. But there's another program above that that there's going to be a second wave of whistleblowers coming forward. It's going to be even even harder to believe. It's going to be even more fantastical talking about different creatures and all kinds of stuff that we're not ready for. I don't know. I don't know if that's accurate, but it would make sense. Well, they're going to come with their religious things. They're going to happen. They're religious. You know, and the other thing is, I think we're very mistaken about most of our history, you know, our historical things. They're going to say, well, actually, no, this is what happened. This is why that happened. And explain events in our own history. They're going to be hard to swallow. So the other thing is how readily accessible are we going to have access? So on series colony, there was it like a version, there was an internet. And on Mars, they have their own internet. And it has access to an interplanetary internet, like a database that's between many worlds. So if we get access to that, I'm sure it'll be censored, but it'll be enough to keep us occupied as a species for a generation. You know what I mean? A worth of advancement. So to me, that would be a huge thing for our lifetime to get full access to that. But I don't think we will. I think we'll get a beta version of that. You know, we'll get a tested version of that. Yeah, I mean, it would be nice. That's like the smart glass pad type of thing where you can just access history of not just the earth, but of other planets and what happened in a solar system and our universe. If we get something like that in our lifetime, I mean, that would be amazing, right? But I don't know. That alone would be enough to change a lot. And then till there have been some other things, you know, I kind of I do loosely follow some things and then people tell me. But so we have to be brought up to speed there. We are still not technologically ready to to change our lifestyle. Like, you know, we still have to people are still putting gas in their car kind of thing. And for them to come and say, well, you don't need gas anymore, shut it off. That would be very devastating to most of the planet. You get what I mean? Like, if we joined a galactic society and they said, okay, you don't need quite with the gas, there would be such a lag of a period that we would, you know, many people would be harmed by that. And so that's kind of there are going to be some infrastructure changes. And I think that'll be our biggest clue on when we're going to get a disclosure because there's going to be vast infrastructure changes quickly. Well, the first thing the cabal has to be taken completely out of power to me is the first thing because they're the ones that have been in control of the planet essentially for so long. And they've been suppressing everything. They have their agenda to kill off, you know, the vast majority of the population and enslave the rest and the transhumanist agenda and blah, blah, blah, it goes on and on. And that needs to stop. They need to be taken out because that's where they're wanting this to go. So that, okay, okay, so I got to, I got to choose these words carefully. Okay, big subjects, right? That's a big subject. It is. The cabal, you know, like, like, in a field of water buffalo, the tiger has the right to exist. So the cabal has the right to exist. For one, they don't have the right to thrive the way they have without knowledge because what's happened is the rest of us, our knowledge is so suppressed now that, you know what I mean? They existed and their existence was had stayed secretive to stay ahead of us. And what's happened is they're way up there. And that doesn't need to be. So the knowledge of the cabal must exist for everybody else. Well, yeah, exactly. And the thing is, we're the ones giving them power essentially when you think about it, because we're like, like, we're complying with everything they're, you know, ones that can't enslave all of us unless we comply, unless we agree to everything. It was more of a level playing field. The cabal was wealthy than charge of everything, but back in the time before information, it was a level playing field because in some, but in a typical person's life, they didn't access worldwide information. They didn't access what's going on in India or what's going on. You know what I'm saying? You didn't have access. So what I'm saying is the cabal's technology was worldwide. They had access, but it wasn't that big of an impact on it. It didn't keep everybody that far in the dark. Now that we're in the age of information, we don't have access to that information. And we need to be brought up to speed to act to have knowledge of the cabal and what's going on. So the cabal does need to be taken out right, but basically they just need a light shine down. Yeah, well, exactly. People just need to know about them. And that will solve that. You know what I mean? But I don't think that these need to come down and do it for us because that's the opposite of what needs to happen, in my opinion. Some of it might be a blood and guts war, but I don't see the whole operation as a blood and guts thing where they need to be just locked up and murdered or whatever. It's disclosure. It needs the truth needs to come out. Like you said, a light right on what's really been going on, who these people really are. They're infiltrating every institution. And once your cover is blown, your cover is blown so they're no longer going to be able to operate like that and things change. Exactly. Right. Right. That's the thing that's run amok is that we have the age of information, they're they're holding back too much information now. And that's that's the unnatural thing that's going on right now, is that we should have access to more info that we have clones holding back too much information. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. You know, I mean, and I don't want to sound like I'm some advocate for them. Obviously, they're horrible people. But like I said, it's it's much like, you know, morally, it's much like in a, you know, we live in a forest, we don't live in a in a in a bureaucracy, we live in a forest. So the water buffalo exists and the tiger exists. Well, and that's what the cabal is more like a predatory branch of humanity. They're predators. And so the buffalo gets smart and and stop walking right into this. Yeah. Right, right. Well, you know, I mean, there's another analogy we could draw. But I think that just just the suppression of the cabal's existence needs is just once that's gone, the rest of it will naturally kind of even out, you know, yeah, but that your way of your perspective on that is actually a good one, because so many of us have this hatred for the cabal and hated for all these people that have been blackmail have been MK altered since they were born have been cloned. They've been injected. They've been poisoned. They're not even who they're supposed to be. So they're they're growing up in these programs. They're manipulated. They're you know, I'm saying so we control. Okay, so wow. So I never thought I was going to say this. And I almost like I'm I've been tearing up a lot lately. As much as you hate them. Right as what as what what I suffered and lived through when I was in Seattle. Honestly, I had nothing good anger for that. Really, that was a very angry time. And years afterwards, I was still very young. I wanted I wanted to go back there with guns. And you know what I'm saying? Like I was very angry. As much as you look at that and say, I hate those people. They're terrible people. I can look at people in my day to day life and feel the same hatred. I can road rage on people that do people wrong. I see it around me in my life. Every day people treat people like shit. Every day I see people that are horrible to others. And they're not evil. They're not cabal. They're not pet of child eating pedophiles. But they don't have that feeling of respect that you know I'm saying like they don't have that morality that like I could be easily I can easily point the finger at the cabal and point three or four back at me. You get what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like it's easy to judge them and say that and I'm like, again, I'm not a pro. It's about us. It's about I'm not a pro Satanist. I'm not a pro person. I don't think that they get a pass. But what I'm saying is that we're not perfect either. Like it's the whole the whole situation needs to give it people across the board need to be a little bit more aware that we're all basically one big entity and that when you hurt somebody else, you're hurting yourself. It's ultimately exactly you nailed it. And it's ultimately about raising our frequency and operating from a space of love. Well, other than a service to others rather than the cabal who's service to self oriented. You know, without even touching on the on a racist on a racial version of it, which there's racism and basically every direction I'm not going to call anybody racist, but I'm saying it's a it's a natural thing. Like around the world, like, there are people in one in in Japan that hate other Japanese because of a different culture for whatever there's an excuse to feel better about yourself. Yeah, but even among that people are are economically what do you call it, bigoted. Oh, yeah, people say, you know what I mean? I'm better than them because I make way more money. We make more money than them. That's all you know, those are garbage. And the fact is, we all are made out of this. We all have the same kind of spark of consciousness within us. And it's the same thing, you know what I mean? So you deserve the same way, the same way that a bug deserves to not be squashed and taken and escorted out to somewhere that they can live. Everybody needs to be treated with a bird, a layer of respect that's not going on in the world. And that's what's that believe me, that's going to change. How are we going to interact? So if we have that kind of disparity between somebody that makes a one less zero a year, imagine what you're going to feel to a ET that can fly up in a craft. You know what I'm saying? Like, how are you going to feel against a walking rat or a gray that walks up on you and can speak to you telepathically? Like, are you going to feel equally, you know, are you going to feel like suddenly you're impoverished and lose your self respect and dignity? Or you know, you get what I mean? Like, you know, I start worshiping the you're going to fall to your knees and worship that. Right. Yeah. Just because he's fortunate. When I was a young man, I thought that rich people were somehow noble. You know what I mean? Like, I grew up like middle class, lower middle class. And I thought the people that were wealthy were also wise and noble. And that was the first thing I found out in my young adulthood when I worked for them was that it was actually many cases, the opposite. So that's the same with ET. As we get ETs that come down that have we're going to learn that their people, just like us, some of them grew up and had a really good upbringing or good people. And some had damaged. You know what I mean? Like, it's across the board. And yeah, I mean, it's the same with the cabal. These are damaged people. These are people that are very damaged. Wow. I didn't want to talk about it. Well, you get it and then you get into the different like densities, you know, and that's a whole nother topic of there's higher dimensional beings or just. Well, exactly. And they kind of have the same cycle, you know, like even on higher densities, like some of them are more equipped to socialize than others are. And yeah, you know, that's that's interesting. But it's also like it comes down to just not judging, right? Because because if we had to judge ourselves, I know this is like the cliche lesson. But think about how many times in your life, everybody listening to this, you've done something, you've helped somebody or whatever, but you've had an ulterior motive. You've had you have how many times on a day, how many times on a daily basis do you lie? How do you lie? Do you not? Not a perfect guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Personally, I could tell you right now that I'm not a perfect guy. And there's a lot, there's, depending on what level you know me, there's a lot to like. And there's a lot to hate. You know what I mean? Like, I've got to give every body. It's nice. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that we number one, I mean, that's something that's been ingrained in us. I think a lot of the, you know, a lot of the bigotry has been ingrained in us because it limits us as well. So that's going to be a big thing that changes. Like, that's a post-disclosure issue, because we're going to have to start not only being, you know, not sexist, not racist, not economically biased. We're going to be open to all that stuff, not only with ourselves, but with other species. If we're going to start entertaining guests, or if we're going to start visiting other species, we're going to have to be a little bit more inclusive. And you don't know what I'm saying? Like, when you meet somebody, the Germans, there were times, there was a time we met a species. We did a mission to a planet. And when he left the room, they made fun of him. It was like junior high all over again. That's how the Germans behave. They were high and mighty. And they were, they were very bigoted towards another species. And it's like, at a certain level, this is the linchpin for consciousness, you know what I mean? Because you can go technology so far and you've got to take consciousness beyond that. That's the linchpin. If you can empathize with all the, everything that's alive, that's what's going to let us evolve into that level of consciousness where we don't need technology anymore. That's basically the linchpin around. That's why, that's why, that's why nobody's striving for telepathy, because we all have too much to hide. Yeah. Oh, I know. Right. Yeah. I don't want anybody to stay out of my mind. It's, it's a, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Well, Tony, this has been incredible. Thank you so much for spending time with us and sharing everything with us. That was great. I didn't think it was going to get that deep, man. But, but if you guys are great, I can't wait to meet you guys down in Florida. Yeah, I'm saying, speaking of, yeah, the Star Seat Adventure Conference, guys in Cocoa Beach, Florida, March 12th. It changed the day. I don't know. March 12th or something. Sure. There's only, I don't know how many tickets are. Well, the info. I don't know how many tickets have been sold, but there's only 200 available. So it's a very small conference. Small intimate. The link will be below in the description. Go check, go check that out. And if you feel compelled, get a ticket, come hang out with us. We're all, all three of us are going to be there. Some James Gilland, John Vivanco. I don't even know. There's a whole lot. Yeah. Every year, starting time, for sure. It's going to be, it's going to be a lot of fun. So, and it's on the beach. It's a beautiful place. It's a little pricey, but it's a different conference. There's a lot more involved. Just feel into it. And I think if you're meant to be there, you'll end up there. That's kind of how all these conferences seem to work out. They're always a great crowd too. Yeah, Tony, you let people know one more time where they can find you, your Patreon, your website, all that stuff. Sure. So all that's linked on my website is tonerudrigs.com. So with an S on the end, and if you can put the link up, that'd be great. But it's tonerudrigs.com. I was never going to do that. I want to say this right now. I was never going to monetize anything. I didn't want to come forward for money or anything like that whatsoever. Honestly, I didn't want to do this many talks. But what's happened is I'm just answering what people have asked me. I didn't want to do a book, so I'm doing a book. I'm excited about the book. I get asked for it all the time. I work at 9 to 5. I've got an hour commute. I have a life. So I do this on Saturdays, most of the time. People call me the phone calls. Sometimes I've got onto my Facebook, and it's not a high-high you're doing things. It's their life story. I get messages that are just pages long, and I don't have time. And so I did a few interviews with Jackie Pierce, who's a gifted medium, and very gifted. She's like a powerhouse of a person. She just gets so much done. And she helped me out and made the website, and she helped me with the memory course, and what's that's been able to do is first got my memories back. I had nowhere to go. I had no one to talk to. I had nothing. I got into the phone book and was going to go to counseling. I thought they're just going to give me a bunch of drugs. I'm going to be medicated. So people have come to me since I've come forward, and this website is somewhere for you to go. So it's not the cure. It's not a silver bullet, but it's somewhere to start and kind of get your bearings if you feel you've been involved. Or if you just want to research the subject. There's a lot of info there. The CIA documents are a great reading. There are links to a lot of my interviews. And then my Patreon shows going well. It's a lot of fun. It's great to be on the other end of the questions and give my perspective. That's what that's about. And let's face it, I mean, you guys too, we're all facing censorship now. The Patreon is an effort. So hopefully that's my content and it can't be just deleted. So I've noticed that in my list of interviews, 20% of them are gone. So the links are gone. So they have shadow band, SSP, and Secret Space Program. On YouTube, you used to be able to put my name in and all my stuff popped up. It doesn't anymore. So that's really what that is. And it costs money to do it. And so we charge money. And that's what's going on. But so far so good. It's a great audience and it's a lot of great info. And hopefully we can carry it to a post-disclosure to kind of keep everybody honest. Yeah. That's what it's about. Well, thanks for everything you're doing. It doesn't go unnoticed. I mean, you're making waves. Everything you do has a ripple effect. Answering people's questions is being of service to others. People want to know and this information is sparking something within everybody. Within a way of life. Yes, exactly. So thank you for that. Thank you everybody for tuning in and listening. We hope you enjoyed this because it's fascinating. We could probably do a four-part episode if you ever wanted to. But keep an eye out for his book and go check him out. We'll link that below. Don't forget to grab yourself. Omnia Pass at promo code is truth. All caps 10% off. Hopewell Farms CBD. That stuff is amazing. Grab some of that. It's incredible. It's my favorite. It's very potent. It's good stuff. And then 20% off our t-shirts with promo code sleepy Joe and that will run indefinitely. Sleepy Joe. Yeah. That's great. And until next time, I don't know what else to say. Thank you Tony. Thank you. You're very welcome. Thanks for having me. It was a blast. I'll see you guys soon. All right, good night everybody. People ask me about my tribe. The truth is my tribe is relatively unknown, but we are but a few. We have walked many planes in graced infinite timelines. Our calling is eternal. Our homecoming. A minute. 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