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Ep. 51 - Clifford Mahooty

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Clifford Mahooty:
Clifford is a member of the Zuni Pueblo Indian Tribe of New Mexico. His journey has lead him to come forward with his Zuni Tribal teachings including oral history, religion, rituals, kachinas, and spiritual practices and how they relate to UFOs, star people, and spiritual beings. Clifford compares ancient oral teachings to modern scientific theories, discoveries, and cosmic concepts based on his research and analysis, to Zuni sacred knowledge still in practice.
Mahooty is a retired civil/environmental engineer (BSCE-NMSU-1969) and worked in many projects with Shell Oil Company, US Federal Government in Environmental justice for Indian tribes, Tribal housing projects in the USPHS as a commissioned officer in water, waste water, and EPA enforcement in environmental compliance. Clifford is active in the Zuni orders of the Kachina, Galaxy Medicine Society, Sun Clan leadership, and is a wisdom keeper of the Zuni history.

Duration:: 1h 12m
Broadcast on:: 29 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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As you'll notice, Erin and I are in separate locations tonight due to some icy weather, so we're kind of going back to our roots student at Old School Style here. Tonight we have Native American elder Clifford Mehrudi, an elder from the Zuni Pueblo Indian tribe of New Mexico, and his mission is to bring forward, well, he's a wisdom keeper of Zuni history and spiritual teachings, and he's bringing forward that information to the masses because it's crucial right now. He brings a whole new perspective on our roots, where we came from and who we are, and if we don't truly know that stuff, we'll never know where we're truly going. So I'm super excited to get a history lesson from Clifford tonight, we're so happy to have you on Clifford. How's it going? It's going pretty good. Awesome. Awesome. So, yeah, if you want, I would absolutely love if you could just briefly tell people who you are and explain your mission as far as bringing this information forward at this time and why it's crucial at this time. Yes, my name is Clifford Mehrudi, I'm with a Zuni Indian tribe from New Mexico, United States of America, and I am 76 years old. So I have throughout my whole life, this study quite a bit, my roots on the Indian reservation and went out into the world, and I am also a civil environment engineer, I have a bachelor's degree in engineering, and I have worked in many organizations, private industry, corporate America, and many, many government programs. And also, I have served as a public health service officer in U.S. public health service. So it's been a, it's been a, as a journey, and I have no regrets about the profession that I chose. I just wish I had longer life to complete a lot of these things that I started, but the other thing too is that I've blown too many orders within the Zuni tribe, I've been on to the Medicine Society, Kachina Society, Kwan, and numerous organizations within our Pueblo cultural, religious, spiritual systems. Now I have been working on this type of information to let the people know out there that we as American Indians still exist in this country, I've been watching the, I've been watching the news on the radio, right, during the impeachment hearings and the messages that go out every day is that, you know, this country is never recognized as a country that belonged to the Aboriginal people of this land, and I am very, very disappointed that every time that they talk about it is that they, they pet themselves on the back and ugly, they meet this country, well, this country was not discovered, he was here all this time. Aside from that, because of this type of disinformation, not knowing exactly what the roots of a lot of the native peoples are over here, I've taken a personal effort to convey to the general public the public at large to state to them, or at least direct them in this way, that they can look at the history and find out that the Americans, the Americas, whether it be North, Mesoamerica, South America, there were civilizations here that far exceeded some of the technology applications that most of the world, or rather it was parallel with other systems on the, on the planet. But there are a lot of things that have been destroyed, especially in the United States, where there is no way to trace the history back, and to even study them why, why they made such an effort to make these different types of, say, structures and incorporating the astrological systems, the electromagnetic forces of the earth, and all these other scientific principles that have existed for, you know, thousands of years. My ancestors and others, their origin of people, have used a lot of systems for their day-to-day activities, whether it be season and work, in agriculture, worshipping the stars and all that in the planetary systems, and also a lot of people don't really understand it, it's the spirituality and the multidimensional systems, which we barely need so, so hard right now because of our imbalance, not only a mankind, but also of nature in general. So I have been working on, well, I sat back, I retired about over 10 years ago, as an environmental engineer working for environmental justice with a federal government, and I worked at that time with 561 federally recognized tribes and other state recognized tribes in the environmental issues, anything that has to do with EPA stuff, the regulations and laws that are on Indian tribal lands, and also the pollution of activities that are happening throughout the planet. So my mission is especially toward a younger generation, which in the United States, our education system is in the dump, especially in America where they were forced upon not only religion, but lifestyles and deviation from the spiritual connections, especially with the land, and also within their own social structures. This is very hard to accept because I have studied quite a bit, so the reason I came out, started doing this thing is to at least have some type of a voice within this whole system of interpretation, I've made it things that are misled by others about the American India. I'm a full-blooded Indian, and I have met a lot of Indian people, even though they're not full-blooded, they have maintained a very high respect for what the American Indian was all about, and the reverse is true. Some of the full-blooded American Indians are there, but they seem to be not concerned perhaps because of the way this country has been for the last 500 years. So it's an effort, I did this because it is an important that people like myself come out and it needs to come with some of the missing puzzles, pieces of what this country is all about, and we're now at a culmination of people looking for answers, and the answers have been here all this time. If they did not destroy them, if they had respected the things that their origin is of this country had, in other places of the world, we would not be in such a bad shape as we are right now. So I'm looking at everything from the philosophical standpoint, I've had a chance to study both the extremes where this from the spirituality or the technological, and in between the people and many things that make the galaxy, our galaxy, as part of the whole system, and everything is interconnected, and right now we are in a situation where we're at what the scientists call, engineers call, maximimantropy. We're going in all directions, and we're not concentrating on what should be happening, and look what's happening in this country right now. We're in a division where we're at war among each other, and those people that are in power are the wrong ones that are in hating the organizations, which is against a lot of things that whatever we call God, whoever we call God is all about in spirituality. So this is one of the reasons that I'm doing this type of work. I don't expect anything from anybody, I don't owe anybody anything. I don't, they don't owe me anything, and what I do is that I talk at these conventions in other places, and I don't care what they say about me, but because it has to be done in a manner that we have to wake each other up and say, "Hey, look, let's let's all look at what's happening, and perhaps we'll all get together," and to look at a certain way adjusted ourselves, and it has to come from internally within individual. No spaceship is going to come over here and save us. No aliens are going to come over and take us away to the promised land or to a big UFO in the sky, so we have to start within each other. So that's basically the thumbnail to get to what I'm doing. It's beautiful. Man. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, that's textbook on what everyone should be doing right now. We really should be doing it from the heart center and not expecting anything in return. I agree with that. Something I saw, or I heard you say in a prior interview talking about the roots of this country, that our Constitution was actually adopted from the Iroquois Confederacy. It's not even originally our idea, and I thought that was fascinating because this is new information to me. Can you touch on that? Yes, in one of my journeys throughout life, I was married to a Mohawk Indian chief from the St. Regis Band, and this is where I learned a lot from her at that time about the Iroquois Confederacy, how they were set up. The judicial, the legislative, and of course the administrative part, the executive part. And so at one, I work with a lot of people with ancient aliens. If you look at some of the episodes at Georgia's Succolas did, he made a very thorough investigation about the Iroquois Confederacy and how the founding fathers took that and said that this is our Constitution. What they did was they took that Iroquois Confederacy way of government and adopted it into, and they call it the Constitution of the United States of America. So I think that that's one source that you can look at. But I have been told many, I mean either that when I was out there working with these people, I could immediately see where the applications were. However, throughout the last 500 years, that's been torn apart because of the conqueror, the colonization destroyed a lot of those concepts as we all know. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Something else that just fascinates me is that I've heard you speak about before is the Kachinas, which are essentially a representative of ETs, of extraterrestrials, at least in your teachings they were. And I know the ETs play a big part in why we're here. And I think that aspect of it is also very important. Yes, it is. Because I belong to that order, there's a process that we go through as little kids, probably between the ages of maybe 10 to about 15 years old, we have to belong to the order. But the concept of the Kachina and it's throughout the whole Pueblo system, Pueblo Indian system, not only that but also in other groups, say like down in Peru and other places. A good example is the Koko Pali, whoever or whatever Koko Pali was because he belongs to that group of the Kachina and the word in front of that is K-O-K-O, which means Koko. If you go to Zuni and you ask what their word means, they'll tell you immediately to Kachina. The Kachina is pronounced in different ways throughout in Hopi and other Pueblos. In other places they call Kachina and other places they call Kachina. But it's the same one and this is the direct representation of what the Pueblo people had to revert to in order to represent the ETs at that time to participate in our activities of the Pueblo people. The reason that happened was because ETs, when they used to come to the Pueblo people and participate in their, they were the merrimakers or they used to have been their purpose was to have been the rain and in seas but they also did entertainment by song dance and other activities. And the reason that humans had to take place of the Kachina, which were the ETs, was because of abduction. In the old days, thousands of years ago or maybe nobody really knows, they had to replace the ceremony with representation of the Kachina or at least the ET and they call themselves the Kachina. So that's the direct link to it. A lot of our own people do not know that because a lot of this information has been kept sort of locked up or kept undercover because of the Asian. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest. Life comes at you fast, which is why it's important to find some time to relax a little you time. Enter Chumba Casino with no download required. You can jump on any time, anywhere for the chance to redeem some serious prizes. So treat yourself with Chumba Casino and play over a hundred online casino style games all for free. Go to Chumba Casino dot com to collect your free welcome bonus sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group void where prohibited by law 18 plus terms and conditions apply of the Smithsonian Group back in the 1880s and other groups that really, of course, they also knew about what they did to Metso American brothers and sisters down there. So a lot of this information that being kept silent for a long time. I have been criticized by my own tribal members for talking about these things, but it doesn't make any difference because it's there and it's for the future generations because that's the reason that I have to, you know, I knew what was going to happen when I started going out there and doing this. This is not just the only area that I have taken up on myself. I started out in the engineering profession when I was a young kid back in the fifties. So I was also ostracized because I was taking math and science and so it falls in the same area. So it doesn't bother me. It hurts because if they could only help me, it will be a lot better world for the Web Blue people. So that's basically what it is. Yeah. And Aaron and I and everybody coming forward with this type of information, we all are criticized on some level due to ignorance, due to people's lack of understanding or their unwillingness to be open minded. And it is a real issue. So I command you for doing that and that's a good advice to just not care because it doesn't make a difference what people think of you. Because in your heart, if you're acting from the heart, then you have nothing to worry about. So thank you. Thank you for doing that because I've learned a lot just from listening to you speak before in your interviews and you bring a lot to the table. And if anything at the very least you get people thinking. Well, you know, one thing that I think it's a misnomer or not true is that they think that I make a lot of money when I get on something like this, a podcast or the environmental conference, that is not true. Even if they took me to the world's biggest event, they don't even pay you enough for anything. Sometimes I do it for free. Of course, they pay for my air transportation and a hotel, but that's not like they're about because the information is far more important than what we hold back or what we ask for in terms of why you got to give me money to give you this information. It's not like that way with me because I have a lot of people that have provided me a very thorough education and it's sort of like when we talk about that with the group that I work with, it serves us to others. That's what it is. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. So have you personally had any experiences with ET's as a child or even currently? I think the biggest one is I even presented this under the Phoenix move on. You can probably put a lot of their archives. I did this the way last year in September, which would be September 2019, I believe, and it's a tool and I have our presentation of my encounter with UFOs. In Zuni, New Mexico, and it's a minute by minute description and the title of that presentation is one month after Travis Walton. Travis Walton and our very good friends have known Travis for some time and he's has been a very inspiring person on my part and when I first met him maybe about 10-15 years ago, I didn't really know who he was until I saw that movie way back in the 90s. Fire the sky. Fire the sky. Yes. Since that time I've had good connect with him, but that is probably one of the best features of the UFO contact, even I guess you might call ET's. You can pull that up on the Phoenix move on so that's it's there. What it basically is is that one month after Travis Walton, which was in December 6th, and well, actually 15-6, so Travis was in November 5th of 1970. 75, I believe, 75, yeah, 75, so I did not know this, but it's about ultimately 101 miles from where his encounter was to the place where maybe about 100 miles on the Arizona, New Mexico, Bora. If you can pull that up, you can see the whole story on that, it's on YouTube also. Yeah, definitely. Nice. So if anyone is listening, go check that out because we don't have two and a half hours to go minute by minute now. No, I'm just talking about it's there. Yeah, that's amazing. So you have had experience though, which is probably part of the reason why you're compelled to talk about it, because I know that's my reason for talking about it. It's about the stuff because I've had personal experiences that I can resonate with and relate to, therefore makes me comfortable coming forward. Well, here's another thing too, all Native peoples or Native Aboriginal peoples, whether it's here in Mexico or United States or all throughout the whole planet, whether it's in Australia, Japan, or wherever, they have all the Aboriginal tribes as a direct connection to what we call the star people. And of course, people like the History Channel and each and aliens, they do a very good job of doing that type of the, of course, they call it a theory, which it is, it is a theory. But there's a lot of evidence, we still practice that today. And it's a whole ritual, if you look at the Dogans in Africa, they still go through the same thing. You look at the Indians down in Mexico, the very crews, people over there, that they, every ritual or every enactment talks about the star people come in, what they did, and then they leave in. There was a, and they're still here. The only, the only difference between the humans and them is that we only see a small spectrum and we're only limited to a limited to dimension. If you look at the dimensions and it goes on forever and it's been scientifically proven, I've studied a lot of science on that, but every time I, when they look at a formula or a, an equation or whatever, and they explain it and then I say, hey, the Indians already knew about that. But we didn't have any formulas for that, we just knew about it, you know, that's, that's all part of the inner knowing that I think you get automatically when, when you are living from that heart center and you're living, and you're being authentic and you're not bombarded by all this external information that's going you away from the truth. So I think that goes hand in hand with it. Yeah, there's a, about three or four years ago, well, actually three, I work with many, many different folks. Last year, we decided that we could no longer keep some of that American Indian information and I sort of set back because now we're just going to start coming out with that regardless of what happens. It's part of the disclosure effort. And a lot of people have been talking about disclosure of the American Indian, I mean, the American government, it's not going to happen. It has to be done by people like your, your groups that are in the, on, on the shows, that have, are not concerned about being sent to a prison or because it's, it's, it's here. It's always been here. It's just that we've been lied to for so many years. And having been born and raised on an Indian reservation, and, you know, there's so many lines that were told us. And then when I started reading history, they actually excluded a lot of this information that our people have known for thousands and thousands of years. If you look at the Grand Canyon itself in Arizona, we did a, a, a, it's on YouTube. It's called expedition to see who were where the Buddhist and the Egyptians and the American Indians were here in one place. Yes, they were. And the king paid expedition in 1980, I believe it was, was a start of that. And so you can go to any Indian group out here in the Southwest and don't tell you exactly the same thing. I even get a, the thing about the, when Lumeria sunk, and, and where those people, what happened to them? Where they want, and it's still practiced to this day, the only problem is you got to know the language. You got to know the language, but there's many different layers in every Indian group or tribe is that you have to know the, the language and how to describe it. This is a perfect segue into a question I want to ask you about, uh, inner earth and inner earth beings, because from my understanding, uh, parts of the Grand Canyon are possible entry ways into certain cavern systems, let's say, and the ant people I know were, were talked about in this area, and I just, I was just, uh, wanted to know your thoughts on, on inner earth itself, and was that ever come up in your teachings? Well, it's, again, it's part of our rituals. It's part of our, uh, ceremonies, the songs and the prayers and everything else are right there. Again, you have to listen to it. My own people criticize me when I, when they say that, uh, while he's just giving away secrets, I said, why would he be a secret when they say that in public? All you have to do is listen and what they talk about is how they originated, the journeys that they took, who they met, how they came about where we're at. And they talk about the inner earth, our, our people actually generated for this world now in, in, from the inner earth. Now you go one step further in the Grand Canyon. There's a lot of Indian tribes, the Hopi, the Zuni, and the, and there's still some Indian they're called to have a soup pie. And the coconino people which are spread out here in southern New Mexico, I mean Arizona and New Mexico. So it's, it has always been known that the last catastrophe and as we all know, or at least the scientists say that the world has flipped over on this axis 13 times. And the last one was destroyed by mankind and they had to go for refuge and this is where they went into the inner world. That's where they were saved. And you can go to any Pueblo in Arizona or with the Hopi or any other tribes within the Southwest and they'll tell you the same story. The only problem is that nobody took them serious. While we were talking about the inner earth and this is where the people and the insect coy people and other forms had guided them or at least probably upgraded them because there's an upgrade that happens even after they came out of the ground, so to speak. And the proper term, I mean, the common term they use is the Sipapu SIPU which are right there at the confluence of the little Colorado and the big Colorado and the big canyon. It's right there where the Hopi emerged from and the Zuni is up in one of the upper to higher level, which at one time was probably the same level as the river at one time. But so there's many other places on the planet of other aboriginal people. There's the Yavapai Nation which is in near Sidona. Their emergence place is the Montezuma well and that well has never increased or decreased its flow for I don't know how many hundreds of years and so there's a lot of springs that are referred to that were directly connected to the inner earth and we've always believed in the inner inner earth people and they're part of that whole group of what the Zuni call the raw people, raw being that they're non-human so they also, the analogy that I give or comparison is that when you talk about magic, you know, like crescendo and copper field and all those, they're illusionist but the class talk about the Magi this morning about the star of Bethlehem and all that and of course the word magic came from those people but the term that I use where a ET can walk through a solid concrete wall and appear in your bed room, standing at your foot or your bed, that's what I, I couldn't find a definition in the dictionary, English dictionary, so I referred to that as cosmic magic. It's a multidimensional way of, it falls into quantum mechanics in physics and other related mathematical activities in high order science, so that falls into the same thing of the inner earth people, the inner earth people are also part of that group not only the inner earth but also of the star people, what pain does cause star people, so actually the American Indian population have always got connection to the star people and where they come from including Bigfoot, I was going to ask you about Bigfoot, yes, so that if you look at all the information, the real good information, not the stuff that these guys do, you know, those guys like what a Bigfoot hunters or whatever, you know, that's just to make money and but the real thing is that I have had encounters with Bigfoot but you can never tell how to walk, where they're at and you can't even track them sometimes, because they'll disappear in front of you, you've seen that, I mean there's volumes and volumes that are information, so they go into and go back in and out of it, but they're also keepers of the planet to keeping control, wherever there's a UFO, ET's around, there's always Bigfoot, to the all connected, even the little people, all Indian tribes have history of little people, you know, they're about two or three feet high and Zuni they call him the, if there is like an earthquake or something that happens to the earthquake, those are the first ones that will come out and so there, but again they're in a different dimension which humans have no idea of what it really is, you know, you can only prove it probably or theorize it in a mathematical equation, but it's pretty tough, yeah, in order to actually comprehend it and wrap your head around it, I don't think we have that capability quite yet, I think we're on our way and I think certain people, the veil is thinner for them, so they can see into these dimensions sometimes and these are the people that have the experiences and as far as walking through walls and stuff, I think that's, so everything is vibrating in a specific frequency, so a being can match its vibration to what we would refer to as a solid, that's no longer a solid to them and they can pass through it as if it's them, it's really, it's complex, but it makes sense when you look at it from that perspective. Yeah, well, you know, this is, that's another thing too, that when they, when you talk about multi-dimensional stages, I think there's a lot of people that are on their own track but they can stop like ayahuasca and all these different plant drugs, I mean, you know, all you do is you're just confusing your mind, I think that because if you are, if you are part of that, you'll be shown, you don't need no drugs, you don't need anything because it's already exist, it's just that we haven't, they have taken away those, they have taken away those keys if you want to call them that or information systems and they're locked up in the Vatican, they're locked up in Smithsonian and even area 51, so these are the reasons where they're holding in power and that's what, that's what they're afraid of losing is that you look what they did to Tesla with free energy, you know, we don't have to, it's right here, you know, so I think that's another reason it's because it falls in the category of religion which is, which is man-made and so it falls in that same category, so there's no, actually there's no punishment anywhere, you say you, you make your own destiny, it's what it amounts to but they don't want to admit it, this is what the inner people are all about, they're, they're with us, you know, this is really, it kind of puzzles me because when you're out here in the desert, on any given night, you can walk out there, you can see UFOs, however close you want it or however you want it, I guess it's, maybe it's called a manifestation or some people just, as have it and others don't, they can't, you ask, they come people out there to the desert, I say that hey, here they come and there'll be about five or six of them and they go, whoever the guy I'm with or, or maybe two or out of ten or twelve people, they cannot actually see it, I don't know why, I mean, this is another reason that maybe they don't have an open heart or open mind or whatever it is, but they're here, there's others that are on the other side that they can actually talk to ETs and beak food and other different beings in front of you, I've seen it happen and those are the ones that perform practices to cure a lot of human beings because that is also their role, I'm smiling, I'm smiling right now because this is resonating deeply with me, I know exactly what you're talking about, I know people that are in communication and the information they come forward with are that's channeled through them, it just can't be taught in our education system, it's, and but what's interesting, it's when you hear that information, it's not like you're being taught it, it's like you're remembering it, you're already new and it's just kind of being activated within you and then that's how you really discern what's true and what's not at that point. Well, you know, I talk a lot about reincarnation and also about the human body is just like a uniform, the soul is the one, the spirit is the one that carries on, and a lot of times you know, I've had that experience as many times in many different situations where I wouldn't know exactly what was behind their mouth, and I've never been there. So I would say that, and then I'd explain to my friends and say, "Oh, they just laugh at me." So when we got there, I say, "Wow, you were here before, that's why you know." I said, "No, they've never been here before." And that type of thing, you know, it's all humans have that, it's just that they were closed up even the day they were born. You know, it starts with the vaccines, I mean, what they put in our bodies is not compatible with our bodies and therefore, right off the bat, we're already fighting something that's not natural and it just starts to cycle to snowball effect. Well, it's even introduced even at the time of an inception. You remember several years back, maybe 20, 30 years ago, I think it was either a scientific American or one of those high scientific magazines I used to subscribe to, they talked about if you play Mozart when you're pregnant with your child, the baby, when it's more or will be more passive than if others that did not nurture their big water in there. And I said that at that time, I threw that paper and I said, "Hey, you guys have known that for thousands of years, what's a big deal?" So it's all, and also the other thing too is that the vaccines and I'll give you a good example. I'm not a medical doctor. I don't claim to be anything, but when the first thing that I have seen, whether it's true or not, because I've never been in a room where baby is born, but the first thing that they do, the doctors don't deliver, they slap a kid to make it cry or to a wicked up. No, I have never seen an Indian family do that. The reason also is that that baby is still connected with the umbilical cord and also the soft spot on your head when the baby is born, it's still being downloaded. And that's why when you're an Indian kid and you have a little brother or sister, that's a baby, you're told not to touch the head of your little brother or your little sister. So the grandmothers, I would ask, of course I was always curious, I said, "Why how come I can't do that?" He said, "Because he's still with the other world and he's been what the term now is downloaded." So these are basic things that a lot of people don't understand. And so this Western medicine practices are just way about something else. All they have to do is come back and listen to some of the practitioners of the natural birth and also the other thing too that I explain about that there's a juniper tree outside my house right here. The grandmothers taught me, you take the juniper tree leaves and the berries and they make a pot when the baby is born and they give the mother that warm tea made from that. So I asked my grandmothers, "How come you give that to the mommy?" He said, "Well, later on I found out that he cleaned cleanse out your uterine tract after birth defects." And then the other thing too that I learned later on was that it also has a birth control element in there or compound in there. So all Indian kids were usually two or three years apart. In my generation, there was no back-to-back babies that were born. So there's a lot of truth to these old practices which they dumped when Western medicine came about. Just like marijuana. Marijuana is a good medicine. How are we going back? Absolutely, and from my understanding, a cannabis was gifted to the planet from the star people. Yes, absolutely. And other planets also have similar plants like this to help assist with, I guess, humanity on their planet. Well, the way the pebble people use that is to make the connection in a spiritual communication because also when they ask for a rain, that's the, you know, the inside of the black hole or a plant that they use to make direct connection. So we used to get about it and say, "Oh, what's that guy doing?" And I said, "Oh, he's talking to the spirit people." But he's smoking on his marijuana cigarette, you know? So anyway, there's a lot of things that are so basic. That's why I'm doing these things because there's so many things that are so common, the plants that you can go with up there, my grandmother's, my grandfather's, and all my elders used to teach me. If you have a stomach ache, you go out there to the river bed where it's out here in the desert, you just take a clay ball that was left over from a flood. You just put that and just swallow that five minutes later, your stomach ache is gone. That type of remedies that are all over, but nowhere too dependent upon the pharmaceutical people, because all we're doing is posing in our bodies with that. I mean, it's a scam, in my opinion, the whole system. That's so fascinating. Honestly, this is one of the most fascinating interviews I'd love. I resonate so much with Native American culture and history. I don't know why since I was a child, and I'm absolutely fascinated with it. So to have you on telling us about all this stuff is just amazing to me. So thanks again. In another, I wanted to ask you your opinion on giants, because from my understanding, there were giants roaming the earth back in history as well. We have evidence, but that's also being suppressed as far as skeletons and stuff. Do you have any information on that? Well, what are the things that you know, I work with people like rattles and we were, and others, I can't remember the crane and some of the guy that I helped him work with it. And of course, the ancient alien bunch, but one of the things that we know is there's a record of giants in all petroglyphs. If you go to the petroglyphs anywhere on the planet, you will see giants. Now giants are bigger, at least maybe anywhere from one, maybe one to three times bigger than Bigfoot. They'll have Bigfoot right next to or within that same petroglyph area where Bigfoot is there, on the other side would be the giants. And we have history of giants. One of the theories of the Chaco culture being destroyed or they just vacated, nobody knows where they went, is where the red haired giants, which are, which are, a lot of them are still buried in Nevada. And I know of a lot of people that have homie, but they won't lie to me because, you know, we're all professional people and they have been doing that. I mean, they were born and raised there. They know where they were buried and, but they just leave them alone. And yes, there were giants and, you know, even in the Bible and other histories, they talk about them. But even, you know, even in the Biblical, Elias talks about that. So yes, the American Indians have known about the giant people along with Bigfoot and other different types of, I guess, bigger people, or they were half human or whatever they were. And that's a good quick reference to this is the giants and we have stories about it. Legends and including, that's one of the things that they scare you with when you don't behave when you're a kid, you know, they call them ogres. The ogre will get you and there's a lot of history from other Indian tribes. It's kind of disappeared that they talk about, you know, capturing or cornering the giants and caves and smoking them out. Are there any tales or stories that were told to you as a child that you could, that have always stuck with you, that have always remained, that you would mind sharing with us? Like an old story that would be told to you as a child that has just been passed down. Is there anything like that that you still remember? Well, you know, one of the things that one story was about, let's see, what was his Zuni name was, but he was like a giant, but he lived outside the rest of the population. And this was probably, you know, maybe two, maybe three, four hundred years ago. But there was the only one that's left, he was huge, according to the stories. But that I don't remember anything that directly related to any of the giant type people. Maybe when I was a small guy, I didn't know that they were such things as giants. All they said was, well, he was a big person, you know. Yeah. So it's pretty hard. That's interesting. Have you heard of, are you familiar with the Cahokia mounds here in North America, Central? It's East St. Louis, essentially, if it's in Illinois. Well, you know, I used to go to a serpent mound for a number of years. Yeah, a lot of those, you know, there's a lot of theories on that. But back in the old days, or maybe thousands of years ago, they used to go back and forth in America. You know, there was a huge population of American Indians. I'm talking about millions. So they had what I understand about the, you know, those type of mounds were that they were created also not by them. Maybe they helped whoever the people were, but I don't really have any good information because that was not part of my studies. And then the remaining ones are pretty, pretty well shot, you know, like the serpent mound is still in good shape and right close to that is the wood hunch. Yeah. Wood hunch is actually at Cahokia Mountain Sight. Yeah. I was there. Oh, right. That was so nice. Yes. Yeah. That's about 25 minutes away from us. Yeah. I didn't have time. I didn't have time to see. This was in March. Yeah. This is March. It was cold. So I really, I just only had so many days that I had to spend there, you know, I was hoping that I would spend at least three or four days just going over there at that site and finding out more information. But the guys that I had were pretty well up to date, I mean, you know, with their information. But I was out there at that site that took pictures of that from the highway. Nice. Yeah, it's right off the road, yeah. But there have been many, many places, especially out here in the Southwest, that were a lot of them were destroyed by early colonial ranchers. And they were, a lot of them were the happy hunting groups called anthropologists and archaeologists, you know, they wanted it for their front yard. So they used to destroy a lot of that stuff. And in my own tribe, in my own lifetime, I have gone back to a lot of these ancient sites which we left them alone as kids. They're totally gone, destroyed. So, so when we had, there's one that I know of, which I've never gotten up there is a stone inch on top of a mountain and the term for that is where they were on, where were, when, where they were on the top of the mountain. And that reference, I studied it back to where that's where the E.T.s came and right before its ceremony, that's where they landed and it's on top of a mountain. A way that they explained to me is that it's like a mini stone hench. Wow. Wow. Are you familiar with any like ancient stargates, I guess, is what we've, what they refer to? Yes, Los Alamos is the biggest one, a writer, a writer in Arizona is what they call the 15th stargate, but I have been criticized because they're all over the world. I mean, you know, it's just, yeah, I've never, I've never been to either of them's places, but all I do is move on it, just based upon the information that are recited in chants, songs, rituals, and they know exactly and it's all part of the sources. It's all reference to the star system, basically Orion, Pleiades, and others. They're all, they're all connected to the star systems, installations. Yeah. And it just fascinates me is just that everything's just common knowledge back then and we're fighting so hard, you know, getting an arguments with people about it existed or it didn't exist and everything and like you said, it's always been here and it's just amazing to hear somebody come forward like you and just like say like it is and just like get, eliminate any questions. It's like, no, this is what happened. Well, you know, this is, this, that's one thing that I haven't written any book. I've been asked to write books, but I don't have time. I'm retired and I'm lazy. That's funny. I thought, I thought it was funny when we were having technical difficulties and I asked you, didn't they teach you how to use the internet and the Hopi teachings and you said, I went fishing that day. So I know, I know that Native Americans had a connection with animals and as far as eating meat and eating food, it was always a sacrifice and you would transition the soul. Can you touch on that a little bit? Well, again, we're talking, remember I said that we have a lot of respect for raw people. Raw people or raw things, everything that is not human, whether it be an insect, an animal or an ET or whatever, they are, they are all referred to as raw people. The little red ant that walks around in your front yard, he's also a raw people. The big buck that you want to go over there and shoot with your 30 out of six is also a raw people. Yes, we have rituals like, like they were provided at a good spirit and if you want to be like an Indian, the great spirit provided us. So we take everything as part of our survival, they only take what is needed and then after we kill that certain animal, we have to give blessings to it because we're giving, they gave us their meat and their food for us to survive. So we bless them as if they were high order people also. We treat them like, we call them like in the priesthood or whatever, so we prepare them also to go to the afterlife because it's just a reincarnation, it's a regeneration, rejuvenation of the life forms to keep us in balance. But now we're not so this is what all Indian tribes or all Aborigines have rituals for that and this to give us life. Yeah, and from my understanding is, you know, things that we've lost sight of really, we've lost sight of that whole practice in our modern times here. But I understand that the way I understand it is that these animals came here knowing that they were going to be a sacrifice, they knew they were going to be food for you guys. So this was part of the deal essentially and you guys honored it and they honored it. Yes, well, you know, this whole system was set up long time ago, but whoever or whatever that says to whoever put the system in there because we're the humans were ever there are updated many, many times. And so this was one of the things that had to be informed about and that's where the protocols come in. How do you go about doing it since what ritual do you go through to do to take this animal? You know, if you look at the stories of the buffalo, they used everything from that animal, the fur, the skin, the bones, everything, just the same way what we used to do when we go out and kill the deer. And everything was used, it was not wasted. So we had a lot of respect for the animals that we got our food from. Yes, I think that's something that we've lost sight of and that information in particular needs to be shared because a diet is a huge thing right now. Like you said, we're eating poison for the most part every day. And if people can go back to those practices, it can really benefit us. And there's a reason you can go outside and see UFO and someone else can't because you have that respect in your existing in that oneness when everyone around you might be programmed otherwise and it might not even be their fault. It's just something that we need to start being aware of. Well, this is where the awakening comes in. I address a lot of groups of people, whether in the conference or whatever. And I ask the question and say, "What are you guys afraid of?" You know, they have been, like we were talking about, since they were born, you're pounding into things that are not true and you're actually a prisoner when you come to this planet, whether it's that it's either your parent's background, either the school system, the government, whatever, you know, you're a prisoner. They don't have any kids have fun anymore. You know, when they go up and they roll around in the dirt, they pick them up and they put them in a sterile situation, how can they resist other viruses when they're so, when they're not treated like this is the same way with anything else. I mean, people are not taught to think for themselves. We have to force it into them. And this is one of the, so the whole rebellion I took when I was a little kid, the government forced us to make us do things and I told them not only, "No, what the hell no?" And so this is why I was called a radical when I was a little kid. I didn't believe in any of the stuff they tried to make me a Catholic. They tried to make me a Mormon. They tried to make me a Protestant. And I absolutely refused. I told him I said, "We have our own God." It cued us to you for standing up and having the insight to know better because, you know, a lot of people don't question, we're taught not to question authority, so, you know, people just kind of go with the flow, I guess you can say, and what seems to be what they push as normal. Well, what, you know, that's so what, you're going to be like, "Why waste your time in going and sitting in the classroom? Why waste your time in going to try to be something?" You might as well just be like anybody else, and because once you go to stay, first of all, they don't teach you anything nowadays, and if more people would stand up and say, "This is not right," and stand up for what they believe, this will be a better planet. This will be a better communication. And this is where a lot of people think that, "Oh, you're just not making any sense." I said, "No, I mean, that's what education is all about." See, a lot of people in this nation or the planet for that matter are not educated. The education comes from within you and from your heart. It doesn't come from sitting in the classroom or sitting in church or getting on the internet, or we used to be in National Enquirer, now it's the internet. So you don't learn anything, you got to go out there and learn how to survive out there. This is where a lot of us that have been through this journey are not afraid to sit back and be slapped around because it's a better world out there being your own person. Wow. Yeah. With that, yes. Amen. Amen to that, yeah. You are quite literally filled with wisdom. And this has been amazing. Thank you so much for coming on and doing this interview. I know we had some difficulties getting together, and thank you for putting up with everything. I guess, is there anything that you want to tell us before we wrap up? Are you speaking on any conferences this year, coming up? Do you have any plans for 2020? Well, I've got one that is coming up in the first week and in April. It's called the Human Origins Conference. It's in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and I think it's a four-day thing, and they have people like myself, Redo's, and Travis Walton, and the people that talk to the aliens on San India Mountain, Sue Walker, and Tom, a lot of white otter, and you know, a lot of people, you start paying attention to a lot of the aliens that have been here forever, and they call them "upon tea." They call them, sir. I think it's four or five, we're in San Diego. I told them, like, many years ago, I said, "Oh, there's aliens up on the mountain. The natives have known about it for thousands of years." Within about a year, they had contact with those, so that should be a good session. Yeah, and that's in April in Albuquerque. That's amazing. Yes. I love, and it doesn't sound like there's a huge ticket. A lot of people, which I like, the smaller groups are more intimate, I think, so it definitely sounds exciting. You know, on this medium, even though I go to a lot of them, even though I'm not invited as a speaker, but I go that I sit in the corner somewhere and people come around because I'm a messenger. That's beautiful. Yeah. Man, I can listen to you all night. I literally could. Aaron, you need to say something because you've been quiet over there. Yeah. I never felt like there was a good place to really butt in. Sure. Both. I mean, Clifford, you were, you know, you had so much good information. No, I mean, just, you know, the only thing I want to say is, I love, thank you so much, first of all, for coming on the show and sharing all this amazing information with us and sharing your wisdom because, you know, it's like the natives and the, and the, these original people that were, you guys have been on the planet for a long time, you know, and you have your, you know, stories and your information passed down through generations to your own people that talk about the true history of the planet and these, and the star people, like you say, like, which we want to call aliens. So it's like, to me, that's, if you want to talk about proof, you know, that's the proof right there that we're not alone in the universe. It's like, you know, you have all these cultures around the planet that have been around for a long, long time talking about beings coming here, you know, like either your ancestors and they came down and that's where you guys came from, you know, and, and along with everything else, you have all the knowledge and wisdom to go along with it that has been preserved to a certain degree, you know, through the ages and it's not, it hasn't been until really recently in relative terms that we have all this so-called like, you know, we think we're like in the enlightened ones now, like with the modern mainstream information and it's not at all. Like you said, it's like the real stuff has been around a long, long time. And so thank you so much for sharing this information and getting out there and helping wake people up to all this stuff because it's very important. So, so thank you. Yeah. Yeah. You're very welcome. Yeah. Absolutely. So we're going to go ahead and wrap it up with that. It's a great point Aaron, as far as, you know, there's your proof right there, you know, people argue what proof is and what is evidence, but it all comes from within, like you said, and on the right path, you'll discover that on your own. No one needs to tell you anything because you'll just know. And yeah, so, and oh yeah, also we have t-shirts available now. We'll put the link below, tspring.com, we have two designs available that Aaron created. They're awesome. So if you feel compelled to buy a t-shirt, please do the omnia patch that you put on your phone to block the radiation. It works. It literally stopped my chronic headaches that I didn't know how to cure. I had headaches every day. I would turn into migraines. I had to resort to Western medicine, as you would say, just to, just to, you know, help. And when I put this patch on all my devices, my headaches went away. So it really works and I highly recommend, I highly recommend putting this, putting these on your devices because we're being poisoned otherwise, even if it's not food, it's from the radiation and God knows. So I just wanted to put that in there and make sure you consider subscribing. If you enjoyed this, or you enjoyed what we're doing, if you want to show your support, we have posters on the way. And man, everything else, it's a big year. Thank you so much for coming on, Clifford. This has been absolutely incredible. I can't wait to get this out and everybody needs to hear this and everybody who hasn't heard of you, I'm excited for them to get a glimpse of what you're all about. So with that, I guess we'll end it. Good night, everybody. And thanks for listening. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] You slept through your alarm, missed the train, and your breakfast sandwich, cold. Looks like you could use some luck.