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EP 311 | Jesse Beltran & Deserie Foley | Frequency Warfare - Havana Syndrome - Targeted Mind Control
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Jesse Beltran:
Jesse Beltran, a Certified Master Hypnotist with a diploma in hypnotherapy from the nationally accredited Hypnosis Motivational Institute in Tarzana, California. He is a retired Firefighter Paramedic . He is a past member of the Mathematics, Engineering, and Science Association at UC Davis and has a certification in blood and airborne pathogens from Sacramento State University. Jesse helped establish the paramedic emergency transportation program for the Sacramento Fire Department.
With over a decade of experience, he is known for his transformative approach to hypnosis, specializing in stress reduction, phobia management, P.T.S.D. and performance enhancement. A prominent speaker, Jesse currently writing a book titled "Beyond Influence", discussing the impact of suggestibility in a technocratic society and its everyday effects on adults and children. His sessions provide educational and transformative insights into hypnosis for improving mental and emotional well-being.
website:
https://www.cosmicclarityconnections.org
Deserie Foley:
Deserie Foley is more than just a host; she's a passionate advocate for those who need a voice. With a profound dedication to human rights, Deserie has spent the last 9 years tirelessly championing causes that often go unnoticed. Her commitment to bringing light to darkness has earned her a reputation as a relentless activist, unafraid to confront injustice head-on.
Born out of a desire to create meaningful change in the world, Deserie's journey as an advocate began long before she took the stage as the host of Mind Nexus. Fighting against hidden technologies that impact all of our right as humans, Deserie's work embodies the spirit of resilience and compassion.
As the host of Mind Nexus, Deserie brings her unique blend of passion, empathy, and expertise to every gathering. With her unwavering dedication to human rights, she creates a safe and inclusive space where attendees can explore the intersections of science and spirituality.
- Duration:
- 1h 32m
- Broadcast on:
- 29 Jul 2024
- Audio Format:
- mp3
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Dr. Alex Bloom, many of you may know who he is. Desiree Foley is actually the host of the conference and we had her on the show episode 22. So welcome back to the show, Desiree. But it was a man that was like four years ago, four and a half years ago, five years ago. Yeah. And when you first started. Yeah. So and we interviewed you, you know, you came on as a targeted individual and you shared a lot of the stuff that has happened to you over the years and you had like a stack of documents to prove it, which was substantial. And it's actually crucial moving forward because people need the evidence. We can tell the stories all day long. And we're also joined by Jesse Beltran, who is an expert on the Havana syndrome among many other things, this weaponized frequencies and the bio weapons and all that. And he's a wealth of knowledge. I watched a few of his interviews and it's incredible stuff. So I'm excited to dive in. And you know, it's not just like I said, you're not just you're not just sharing that this is happening. You're providing evidence. And you know, it's being recognized by Congress and the Homeland Security. And it's it's not it's nothing to turn your head to anymore. It's starting we have to start taking this seriously because it's being used against us civilians. Unbeknownst to us. So it's an extremely important subject. And we're excited to be here. So welcome to the show, guys. Thanks for having us. Yeah. Yeah. Great to have to be here. So Desiree, why don't you tell us a little bit about this conference first? And then we'll dive into it. Yeah, a little bit about yourself, if you want to, because I mean, the conference, all of this information and the targeting is what inspired the conference, right? We need to get this out there. And and you guys have put together an amazing lineup. So maybe you can let our audience know how they can find the conference and where they can purchase tickets and just a little bit about it. Okay, so it's going to be in Tucson, Arizona, September 27th through the 29th. And you would just have to go to mine, nexuslive.com. And then we'll put a link in the comments when after the show. And we have some amazing speakers. You know, we have, like, like Tyler already stated, Kerry Cassidy, Dr. Blue. We actually have, which I'm really excited about is Dr. Rima Lebow, which if you guys don't know, she was married to a major, what is it, general major, double-blind, who was in charge of Project Stargate. So she has some amazing stories. If you get to, like, talk to her, it's like super amazing. Been from as you're wonderful. We'll be there. And, Dr. John Hall, Dr. John Hall, Dr. Jamal, and I'm drawing the blank here. That's about it, right? Now we have other speakers that are expert to spiritualism. Go to our website. You'll be able to see mine. It's a huge lineup. Yeah, just go to our website. We were going to have it three days and inside of it, we're going to have a DJ dinners, including the ticket. It's a really amazing lineup. You should definitely check it out. Yeah. I just want to say it is an amazing lineup. I was very impressed. Like, I'm like, wow, Kerry Cassidy, Jonathan Sousa, Alex Bloom, Jim Bryan Berryhill, Ben Chastin, you know, it's a nominal lineup. So it's going to be well worth the time. And us works with us. If you like us, you know, we're there. Forget about you guys. Treasury and you, Jesse. Yeah. All of us, Jesse and Desiree and... It's an all-star lineup. It is. And Anne and I will actually be presenting separately, not together. So it's going to be a lot of fun. And, you know, I'm excited. I'm putting together my presentation now. But let's dive into the meat of the subject today. So, Jesse, I know you're an expert on the Havana syndrome, but it's so much more than that. It's the targeting and, you know, the voice of God technology. You can call it, voice to skull, whatever. It's weaponized frequencies that are being utilized to mind control the entire population. And not just mind control, but silence and neutralize people, especially like national security agents and stuff like that. People who are a threat to whatever the agenda might be in the moment. So for those who don't know, maybe you could give us a brief run through of what the Havana syndrome is and how they're even targeting people with this technology. Perfect. I'm being more than happy to just give your audience a little bit about my background. As you stated, my name is Jesse Beltran. I'm a retired firefighter paramedic from the city of Sacramento. I helped establish the paramedic transportation programs for the city of Elk Grove and the city of Sacramento back in the early days. I was also the president of an organization called the International Center Against Abuse of Covert Technologies. I was one of the co-founders, along with large regard, and in its infancy, a gentleman by the name of Peter Rosenhall. I'm a certified master hypnotherapist with a diploma in hypnotherapy, and I currently have my own practice. But to delve into what Havana syndrome is, in its infancy, what most of your viewers, or you may have heard or not heard, the term called targeted individuals. When I established the International Center Against the Abuse of Covert Technologies, the reason it was created was because I happened to meet Dr. John Hall after speaking with the gentleman by the name of James Wahlberg, who was successful in obtaining a restraining order to the court systems because he had a non-consensual implant put in him. He believes it was done because they were trying to steal an invention, the seekers to his invention, and that was the ultimate reason why he believed it happened. He obtained medical imagery, he obtained talks, calls and reports, all these have substantiated. It was enough that the judge believed him and issued a protective order for him. In speaking to James Wahlberg, he turned me to speak to Dr. John Hall. I met Dr. John Hall in Texas, and he explained to me this phenomenon that was happening, and the phenomenon was, is there were people complaining of being harassed, targeted people who felt that they were being targeted out for specific reasons, and what John was doing in the embassy, he was doing what was called an RF scan, but he did it very sporadically with these individuals, and so my conversation with him was, why isn't anything but done about it? That is just a natural common sense question, and what he explained to me is that what was happening is because people were taught to go to their physician whenever they have any type of anomalies, you go and tell your doctor everything, and because of the type of symptoms that go along with this, most of them get railroaded into the mental health industry, and it's the worst thing possible for them, they're just getting re-victimized. So what I decided to do is do it on a mass scale. I started in Sacramento, California, our first meeting to my surprise, had about 100 people show up, and they all had the same complaints, and it was almost a cookie cutter, and so I thought that was odd, and not the fact that it was 100 people there, but they all had the same complaint. So we started doing these RF scanning on a mass scale. We did surveys so that we can get a little bit about the background, why they thought they was happening to them, how long they've been suffering with it, and it began to take hold. Then we had another meeting over in Davis, California, at the University of California, Davis, and 300 people showed up at that event, and I knew I was on to something, and so we continued to do this process on the west coast, and what was striking is initially when we were getting the data back, predominantly was happening to Caucasians, specifically Caucasian women who were either recently single, divorced, or widowed. They were highly educated, they were highly educated, and then the statistics start to go to white males, Caucasian males, then African-American females, African-American males, Asians, and then it dwindled down in race as we began to obtain the data. Went to the Midwest, same phenomenon was happening there, predominantly happening to Caucasians, and it fell in the same categories of ethnicity, as far as the numbers. So I'm going, "Well, is this an attack on Caucasian races for whatever reason, Caucasians and African-Americans?" So when we went to Chicago and started going towards the east coast, we began to see a flip, a minor flip, and the flip was, is that in Chicago and towards the east coast, what was happening was happening to the majority of African-American females, then African-American males, then Caucasian females, but everything else stayed consistent, and that went all the way to the shores of the east coast with one exception. I was invited to Virginia by a group of folks to come and speak to them and do some RF scanning, and this was very different from what we were used to seeing. This group was all military subcontractors, and I found it to be odd, but so your audience knows I have been doing this for over a decade, and I have been involved in hypnosis since 2000 and became certified in 2014 for a reason, and the reason was I began to see something. There were categories of people who were affected severely, moderately, and then those who you would say to load a moderate in severity. The ones who were severely affected, I realized, were berry or what we would consider having high suggestibility, and why is that important? Well, the phenomenon is real, and recently, within a month or so ago, the Department of Homeland Security listened to sworn testimony by three experts. One of them was a lieutenant colonel, retired. Edgren was his name, and that's important because this was someone in our military who fought for victims. He fought for federal employees, mainly our soldiers, and he was seen this phenomenon happening, and they testified and gave what they could that wasn't classified, and I created a video, and I don't know if Tyler, maybe you can provide it to your guests at a later time, so they can take a look at it. It's important because we now know that this phenomenon is real and true. So let me go back to the soldiers, but the military subcontractors. So I started doing something different with these conferences that I was having and being invited to. I started to open up with asking people if they felt that they were highly suggestible or have everyone raise their hand. Obviously, in this subgroup, no one raised their hand. If I said you were not suggestible, raise your hand, and almost everyone with the exception of a couple, I think they were just a little shy. I raised their hand, and I did something. I wanted to show the fact that these individuals, if you are highly suggestible, you can be covertly manipulated without even knowing it, just by having a normal conversation with someone if they really know what they're doing. And I'm an expert on suggestibility. That's why I'm an hypnotherapist. And so I asked this gentleman to come up, a good looking guy fit. He was six, six, six, five right in there, African American. And him and I just began to have a chat. And he had his hands closed. And by the time we were done with our conversation, I asked, can you please pull your hands apart? And the harder he tried, he couldn't. And he kept fighting, and everyone in the room became shocked. They're like, what's going on? Why can't you pull your hands apart? And he started to get to have a little anxiety. So I did that was not my intention. So what I did is I just go sleep. It was that simple. And then we started to give them positive affirmations, you know, to help them with this. And now that you understand, you might be highly suggestible. It's the first part of defending yourself and so forth. And then we brought him back and he asked him, did you now what do you think? And he goes, well, I have to say I'm highly suggestible. But I continue to follow up with them a few times just to make sure that we're on the right path. And he was having issues at work, relationship issues, started to have little onset of paranoia and things like that. But after he was made aware of this, his life became more towards the normal normal side. Okay, now why do I bring this up? Prior to that, I was contacted by two people. The names Aaron Alexis and Myron May might ring a bell to some people. Aaron Alexis ended up shooting 16 people at the the Navy Yard on the East Coast. And Myron ended up shooting people at the university in the research department. These two contacted me prior to them doing these horrific atrocities. And when they spoke to me, they were asking for help. And I began to explain to them that I believe what they're going through is that they believe it's real. And I said there was no quick fix. This is going to be a journey. They were very impatient. And the problem with when someone is on the initial onset, having the symptoms, and I'll explain what those symptoms are in a second, they either take two modalities, either it's fight or you flop or, or, or fright. These two guys were very determined, and I can hear it in the voice, they were very impatient. I had no clue that they were going to go and do what they did. Okay. So this is why I think it's important to teach the general population that number one, education is the first line of defense. Okay. So what are these guys experiencing? The Havana syndrome, according to governmental reports, was first recognized in 2014 by our diplomats and some of their family members that were working for our embassy over in Cuba. And the symptoms that they were having is they were hearing these strange sounds. They were getting nausea, vertigo, unusual headaches, shocks to their extremities, unusual muscle movements, and brain fog. And eventually, initially, the United States didn't accept it as real. They thought it was some type of group psychological phenomenon. And then what happened is started happening to our, to diplomats in Canada and, and agents. And so Canada was a little bit more forthcoming for those individuals, because they believed them, and they started to provide them with resources and work comp and things like that. And then the United States jumped on the bandwagon. And, and here we are today. So what was unusual with the, I'm going to say ISA Act, which represents the International Senate against the abuse of overt technologies. My whole purpose of that organization was just to get the data. So what I use is what we call soap notes. Subjective data is what people complain about. Objective data is what we can physically see. We can test for whether it be RF scanning, medical imagery, toxicology reports, anything like that, anything that you can concretely see and measure. And then you assess the two and you come up with a plan and we had a protocol that we followed with everyone. We would do the RF scanning first, a preliminary scan. If there were any results there, then we would encourage them to get medical imagery or studies, whatever they can. I tell them, and I'll give some advice to people if they think this is happening, is you need to be very conservative on how you explain this to medical personnel. Most are not briefed about this. And hence, this is our mission. We want to get to the general population. Now that at least the government is saying, well, it is happening to some federal employees and some of their family members. But the bottom line is, is that we have databases of literally hundreds and not thousands of victims, not only here in the United States, but throughout the world. So yeah, so I was invited by people in government in other countries to come and bring people who I thought might be victims. And they wanted me to test people who were related in the embassies or work for the embassies and so forth. So we use controls there. We took people who weren't victims and then we took people who we knew were victims and who came up positive on RF scans. And I had to sign an NDA and they took me to this non-disclosed location that had what is called an anacolic chamber. And an anacolic chamber is basically a very robust Faraday cage. It blocks blocks out huge frequency frequency spectrums from coming into that environment. And what we did is we took those victims into that environment and to our surprise is those from the United States came up with similar frequencies positive inside the the anacolic chamber. Those were who in Europe came up with similar frequencies that were different from the US, Russia, and the same same thing happened from other countries. So this was a fascinating finding. And I believe you have a copy of our phase three report that was that that's the final phase of our testing. And I do have that I gave that to you in that file Tyler. And so when we came back to the United States with this data, what was happening here is that there was an organization called the Bioethics Commission that was put together under President Obama. And they were giving a conference on this phenomenon. They were doing a hearing on this phenomena and literally hundreds of victims, not only the ones that I had tested, but just hundreds showed up at that to give testimony. And Amy Gutman was the head chair at the time. And she's now, I believe, and I misquoted in my last show. I thought she was an ambassador to Belgium, but she's actually the US ambassador to Germany at the EU. And they basically were told that this is a hysteria phenomenon and you're just going to have to live with it. Of course. Then I was in, yeah. So I was invited to another presidential bioethics commission in San Francisco at the university teaching hospital there. Lucky land slots asking people, what's the weirdest place you've gotten lucky lucky in line at the deli, I guess. I'm in my dentist's office. More than once, actually. Do I have to say? Yes, you do. In the car before my kids' PTA meeting. Really? Yes. Excuse me. What's the weirdest place you've gotten lucky? I never win and tell. Well, there you have it. You could get lucky anywhere playing at luckylandslots.com. Play for free right now. Are you feeling lucky? No purchase necessary. 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Now, the statement that was made there, and this was by Amy Gutman, is that they and this, they believe this through and through, that they are the only ones. They are the top 1% of the elite 1% that should be making decisions about what's best for you. This is their mentality. Who's they? When you say they're the people at this conference? Correct. The bioethics commission, the bios commission, everyone's there. What was interesting, you even had military personnel on this commission. There. So anyway, what ended up happening, my assistant gave the question and then I was prepared to hear what that was. The answers were going to be. They completely brushed me off. They censored it and didn't allow it. So I'll share with your listeners what that question was. And the question was, we understand the importance of your experimentation, but what safeguards are you putting aside, where when your experimentation goes wrong, for the victims? And that's the question that was censored. So where are we today? Interesting enough, in the testimony that was given with the Department of Homeland Security, with Lieutenant Colonel Beggren, he describes what Havana syndrome is. He describes it as there, it's some type of VMP weapon, a signal, so forth, but it's being aimed at specific people. And they say it's happening to the elite of the elite of their employees. So their CIA agents, their FBI agents, those in the US embassy. And in addition, what he says, he says, the whole purpose, they also mentioned that people have died from this. I can confirm that dozens of people have been murdered this way. And usually what happens is they end up committing suicide. Now, Lieutenant Colonel Beggren testified that this is a slow kill. And most of the time, he says, it's made to make a person look like they're crazy. So I'll take that back to the statistics that we gathered. Now, what we found, probably most of this was experimentation, but it wasn't always the case. There were whistleblowers that were targeted. There were people who offended people in great positions of power who were targeted. So it runs the gamut. And I hope that explains what Havana syndrome is and where we are today. Yeah, so I mean, that was an incredibly feral explanation. And there's a million questions that come to mind. Desiree, I'm not trying to leave you out of this. I know you said you just wanted to sit back because I know Desiree has actually experienced that she's been at the receiving end of a lot of these attacks as so have I. And I haven't have questions about some things that have happened to me over the years. But so whenever you RF scan somebody, can that also can you explain exactly what you're doing? And that can can that also detect a source of where this frequency is coming from? Okay, good question. So what we use is in the preliminary environment is what is called a JM 20 Pro. It's a it's a frequency detector. And what's very unique about it is you can calibrate it. So when you put the one around a signal, you can literally have to be within an inch or two of the emission. So why is that important? Because we live in a wireless society. So we get RF signals from everywhere all the time. So the reason that's important because you can calibrate it down so that we can say, well, this is not an aberrant signal coming from somewhere else because it's we know that the calibration so such that we have to be within an inch or two of the emission. Now, when you scan someone, what will happen is we would we'll have a map and we go into this blind. We don't want to know anything that's happening with the person. We don't know where they're we don't want to know where they believe they're having issues. We don't want to know anything. We just go in completely blank. And then if it does pick up an emission, then we'll just mark that and we'll make notations. And then we'll come back with a frequency counter to see if we can get a frequency, a numerical frequency. That's typically how it's done. Now, can you give the details of when you scanned me? Yeah, we can scan. I had another scan which I've told you guys about. And then Jesse scanned me too. Right. So I'll get to that. That does array because it's important that we talk about the types of scanning that is available. Yeah. I also like to cover the implants as well. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. And ultimately, this is what we're we're getting to. So, so there's a the preliminary scan with the Jam 20 Pro. And so that's that's one mechanism. You can't say someone's implanted just because they come up positive on a an RF scan. Okay, you need more anecdotal evidence, whether it's in a medical imagery where in toxicology reports, or what I like to see done is using a nonlinear junction scan done after that process. And the reason is, is sometimes, we'll talk about the implants here in a second, you could have an active implant. And that's something that's transmitting 24/7 365 days a year. It doesn't stop. And then you have passive technology. Now, what the nonlinear junction scan does, it will send out a resonant frequency to a passive technology that has ferrous material in it. And this is what it bounces off. So it'll send the first echo. The echo come back and it says, Oh, there might be something there. Send another one comes back. Oh, confirms there is something there. And it'll send a third one. And then that's the ultimate verification that there is a passive device. But what this does, it activates the passive device so that you can get that detection in the location of where that is. So Desiree has had both. And if you look at a report, what was really intriguing is number one, the individual, the qualifications that he did, I guess my understanding is that there are very few people with this certification. He did this for the military. Correct. Does it right? Yeah, he was, he got certified by a general. Yeah. And then, and so this is why I say it's important. So what were we finding? We have cases now where they are removing implants. And these implants can cause a lot of havoc throughout the human body. And what they're finding is these things are so small today that you can put it up to the date on a penny. And they're literally the size of one of the numbers on the date and even smaller. Okay. You have a case of David Larson down in Southern California who was a politician and he was having these exact same symptoms and ended up having surgery and had multiple implants removed over 10. And I believe you also have that report and you can show your audiences the size of these implants that were being pulled out. Now Dave sued and he lost. And the reason he lost is because the judge says that he gave permission to participate in an experiment. And he did. But the problem is he didn't have full disclosure. And this is what happens very often is that when people participate in experimental testing or procedures is that they are not given full disclosure. And it is my opinion that if you don't get full disclosure and it's only partial disclosure is because the intent is to deceive. Right. You have to get you have to give an individual 100% of the information as to what is going to be done. What what they might be risking and what they might be giving up in their lives. Right. Because I know in Dave Larson's case, if he knew he would never have consented to this. They would never sign up. It's called lying by omission. It's receiving by omission. Yes. 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And I'm sure that has happened before, but I think they have sophisticated technology today where they can eliminate the process of being, you know, they can eliminate the person, the individual, and there's other means of transmission, right? Correct, correct. Let me answer this one. Let me answer it. Okay, so how did I get the nano inside your body? There's several different ways, but I'm going to tell you a couple of ways that it was done to myself. My doctor, who is a toxicologist, had asked me to put some cotton balls into my air ducts. And I did that. I put them in my air ducts. And I left in there for 24 hours, and then I send them off to her. And she said they tested positive for nano technology and that they are putting it in through my air ducts. And I'm actually breathing it in. And another way too is dental work. That's a big, big, big way that they get it into you. And it's usually, I don't know if anyone had done a work and then you wake up and you're like, you weren't supposed to be asleep and you were slept for the whole procedure. I mean, that happens to you. I don't know if you want to add to that, Jesse. Well, what I can speak on is what I do know. We are a lot of these victims coming up positive in the TMJ or TMJ is a temporal perpendicular joint, which is basically the, the jaggery. When you do go to a dentist, how many times you get the needle way back in that corner? And there's a voice, a perfect place to put something, right? That's one way. Can I stop you really quick? So I have in that specific area, I'll be walking sometimes, and I'll be, I'll receive a pain that's crippling. And it shows up hearing in my wrist at the same exact time, and it'll literally stop me in my tracks. And, and I always, I've been trying to figure out for years what it is, if it's something natural or not. So you just kind of confirmed to me that it's possibly something going on right here for me in this specific area, but continue. Yeah. So there are a lot of, you have the trigeminal, trigeminal nerve endings that are in this region. And you, you got your cervical spine, your shoulder. So a lot of those nerves are connected. It is interesting that you're getting both at the same time, from the john in the hand. So depending on the tech and the year it was made, really depends on whether or not you are going to be successful with medical imagery. Okay. And the reason I say this is, is the, if you were implanted or earlier, like in the, from the 50s on to around 2000, you probably have the older tech and those can be seen. There's a gentleman by the name of Bob Boyce, who was an inventor, I speak about. He had terminal cancer. They found the chip in the tumor. This was done by his business partner. He was drugged, knocked out for a few days and woke up, didn't know what happened, but he ended up developing cancer. His name was Bob Boyce. And he, when I spoke to him, he, you know, he, he just succumbed, he goes, look, he goes, Jesse, I was just a coming to the dying from this cancer. But he was in a fair day cage, testing his inventions and the wand accidentally passed by his shoulder and it pinged. So basically it was a frequency detector, just like we use in preliminary scans. And so thought it was odd, got an X-ray in the tumor, there was an RFID chip, and you have images of that in the files that I've sent you. And they removed it, his cancer subsided, and thought he was okay. And then it came back aggressively, ended up, bottom line is he ended up rescanning himself in the fair day cage, found another device. They removed that. And I forgot to mention the first time when the chip was sent to pathology, it disappeared. So the second time they were a little smarter, they used chain of custody, they found a serial number on the device, and then they traced it back to an NSA database. When they tried to sue to get more information, they were stonewalled and said it was a matter of national security, so they died there. But the bottom line is Bob Boyce's business partner was a former NSA employee, and that's who did that in Bob's case. But you could definitely see what the older microchips look like. Today, which are similar to the Dave Larson size, they are much, much smaller than that. And there was a college friend of my wife when I was up there in Virginia with the military subcontractors. He invited us over to see him, and he was wondering what we were doing there. And I briefly told him what we were doing, did tell him everything. And then he said, well, I can tell you exactly what yours, depending on the chip, we can tell you what year these were being done. But he says, now, if it's done to your SOL, in other words, because they're so small, the medical imagery isn't going to detect it. So why do I mention this? It's because the only thing that's going to detect this is using something out of the medical spectrum where you have these RF detectors or these nonlinear junction detectors, which are very expensive. They're about $30,000 today. But it's very beneficial. What I do want to mention to everyone is initially there were two fields of belief. The one was, is that this is a frequency that's being admitted and it's aimed at these individuals. And I want you to use some common sense here. What type of resource would it take to make sure that you're constantly aiming something at an individual 24/7, 365 days a year? It's not feasible. So this is how we came to this theory in this common sense approach and why we wanted to do the mass testing so we can get more data to take it from subjective to objectivity because we now have numbers. So these individuals who are being targeted and singled out, we said this, we said, okay, if it is a frequency where a lot of these people are saying they believe it's some type of signal being directed at them, then you have to have a mechanism to receive it. And the mechanism are these implants. And so what I wonder is, because we started testing the general population and the general populations were coming up positive in a different way. They were coming up positive where they've had a vaccination or maybe they had a surgery and in that surgery area was coming up positive. Talk about the military people. That's what it was. Yeah. And then there's another group that was the military. Now the military individuals, you can superimpose their reports over each other and they're all implanted in the same locations. Wow. I don't want to use the word implanted. Let me rephrase this. They all came up positive in the RF detection in the same location is what I want to say. So, okay, there's so much here. First of all, the cancer causing part of it was the, do you think that this guy have cancer before the chip or did the implant cause the cancer? Do you think this could be it would the cause of the cancer? He believes it was the cause of the cancer. I suspect it was the cause of the cancer. There are studies out there on animals that these chips do give them a higher propensity for developing tumors. So, could somebody who has just a lot of heavy metals in their body, could they also be affected by the frequency or does it have to be a specific implant? Do you think just, you know, we're the chemtrails, let's just say, are playing a part in this for the entire population? I can't come to a conclusion based on that. What I can say this is for whatever reason a lot of these victims who have had implants removed do have a high toxicology report with regards to specific metals. Right. So, because the, you know, one of the obvious elephant in the room questions is why are they doing this? What is their in-game here? Are they just messing with people to mess with them? Or do they have a specific agenda in mind of why they're doing this? And what is the in-game with that? What are they trying to steer humanity towards with doing all this, do you think? Well, you know, that is a great question because there are so many possibilities. If you listen to Lieutenant Colonel Egrin, he says that one objective is to make a person look crazy. He testified that in front of Congress, under sworn testimony. And he also says, put me in a skiff, and I'll tell you who you need to subpoena. I'll tell you where you need to look. Yeah, he said. I'll tell you who you need to go after. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's one mechanism. The other mechanism is if you recall, they testify that they're going after the elite of the elite. They're going at their best soldiers, they're going at their best agents, they're going after their best people. So, that probably, they believe is probably a foreign agent. Okay. Agency that's doing this. I can also tell you that we have the technology. There's a gentleman by the name of Igor Smirnoff. And I don't know if you've heard of the name before, but he was a Russian physicist and he developed it. Hello, it is Ryan. And we could all use an extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we? Just to make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes, counting your steps, you know, all the mundane stuff. That is why I'm such a big fan of Chumba Casino. Chumba Casino has all your favorite social casino style games that you can play for free anytime anywhere with daily bonuses. So, sign up now at Chumba Casino.com. That's Chumba Casino.com. Sponsored by Chumba Casino, no purchase necessary, VGW Group. Forward, we're prohibited by law, 18-plus terms and conditions apply. In fact, you have a video there that I sent you in the file of what he developed. He developed a technology that can send messages to your brain remotely. And he says it bypasses the conscious mind and goes directly into the subconscious. And you would believe it was God. And there's nothing you can do against it. I have a different philosophy about that. I believe that we can develop a firewall for our mind. But education is the first step. Interestingly enough, the United States, after he passed away, his wife was awarded a contract through the United States. Almost $1 billion. This was over $900 million. And then the company was SRS, if I recall. And so the United States had gave funding to obtain this technology. In fact, they kind of screwed up at Waco. They were going to use this and send the voice of God to Caresh. But they didn't know how to use it. And they screwed up and it turned into a disaster there. And so these weapons do exist. Yeah. When we did our research on the voice of God technology, all the school shootings, almost all of them, every single case, the shooter said that God told them to do it. Or some entity, some voice told them to do it. And they were all on medications, drugs, where it was making them much more susceptible to that technology. Correct. Yeah. If your mind is an altered state and you are highly suggestible, just imagine what you could do. You can get a person to do anything and not remember. If you're making them, if they're religious and you want to manipulate them, then you make them believe that they're talking to God. You can do all sorts of things. And this is why it was important for me to understand and get certified as a hypnotherapist because it allowed me to understand suggestibility, even though I was doing hypnosis for quite some time, but understand suggestibility at a level and to recognize those individuals who were highly suggestible and who would have the tendencies to fall under that circumstance. And this is why I really seek out those who are highly suggestible who claim that they are going through this experience, because that's where the attention needs to be drawn to initially. But every one of these persons who are going through this is suffering. They are being tortured 365 days a year. And this is why we're doing what we're doing. Desiree and I decided, you know, I've known Desiree for about 10 years now. And it was through this data gathering process that I was going through with ISAC is how I met her. And it's important that we teach the general population. And right now, the environment is right. With the advent of the Homeland Security and our government saying, yes, this phenomenon is happening, although they're only saying it's happening to federal employees. They're not admitting, yeah, they're not admitting that it's happening to civilians, but it is. And they're saying the first event was in 2014. I can tell you 100% that in 2009, at least we were documenting that. And I know of some cases as early as 2004. There's things the CIA was using a long time ago, like the heart attack gun. And one of the symptoms of this technology of this weaponized frequency is it can give you heart attack symptoms. If not, give you a heart attack. And I've experienced that myself. And one of the things I heard you mentioned earlier was electric shocks. Now, this is something personal to me because this is, I've suffered from this. Depending on this situation, what I'm doing, who I'm with, as I as I'm falling asleep, it'll feel like my entire system is shocked, like I'm being electrocuted. And it, it just like, it fries my nervous system, right? And it'll, it'll happen all night as soon as I'm about to fall asleep. It's like somebody sitting there with a button. And it only happens whenever they're trying to stop me from, let's just say, enjoy the experience or where I'm at. It typically happens like on a trip when I'm trying to go do some spiritual work or whatever. They, they really fuck with my vibe and my frequency to the point where I don't sleep and it's just a chain reaction after that. So to me, after listening to you, that would tell me that I'm sure there's something I have implants that are being somehow activated. I mean, I don't know, I'm not trying to play the victim to this, but it's something that has actually caused me a lot of problems. Yeah, well, the electric shocks is a key thing. Obviously, we are electrical beams or ho, you know, neurology is all based on electricity and nerve endings. And so if you have, that's why if you take a nine volt battery, you put it to your tongue, you feel that. Now imagine you have an electric, an implant, which, which functions off of RF signals, which, which creates a voltage. That is off, that can most definitely interfere with your neurology. And you'll get these electric shocks, which is movements that you don't normally get. Now, I have to caution everyone. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a psychologist. I'm a hypnotherapist. I do work in conjunction with psychologists and psychiatrists, because there's, I do have to partner up with them in certain cases. But there could be some medical explanations for those type of things. But in this environment, if you're coming up with positive on an RF scan, it kind of want to make you go in a different direction. It's probably, it's probably not a disease process is what I'm getting at. Right. Right. So Desiree, do you want to add to any of this? I know you've had a number of implants identified. Have you had any of them removed? Oh, I wish. No, I, I've, I got scanned with, I would say 2018, I was scanned and came up with showing at least six different devices in the body that was admitting a signal. They were able to capture that frequency. And also my doctor was able to identify who owns a license to that frequency. I think you like have to have money to get it taken out. And then I know my doctor said that, that some other doctors were taking them out and then they were losing their license to do surgeries because the, they were going after their license because they said that you didn't put it there. So you're not allowed to take it out. It's not your property. So, and so now like, I would love to get them taken out. Like, I'm kind of just like, you know, waiting for a doctor to say, Hey, you know, yes, I'll take it out. I know several people that have taken it out. And so Jesse had given, had given you some, some documents you should, if you can, put those documents so everybody can see what they look like. And it's real evidence. And then again, I got scanned again. I would say, was it like four months ago, Jesse, when you scanned me? Is it like four months ago he scanned me? And, and it was showing mostly, you know, right here and some in the back, right here in the back of the neck. And, and it pretty much matched up with the other, the other test that I took. But right. And I want to bring something up. And were you gonna say something? No, no, no, that was pretty much it. Yeah, I was just gonna say, and your story is it was your ex husband that was, was it CIA that he was connected to or was it DoD? Or I forget which intelligence agency? Well, oh, okay. So I, I'll touch on it a little bit. Okay, so I'm not 100% positive. It's him. There's always that 1% that it's not him. But I can say that he started happening while I was going through a divorce. That's when all the weird stuff started happening to me. And he was an aerospace engineer for Raytheon. And he, you know, who was in charge of the military sector of Raytheon. So I mean, put two and two together. But again, I'm not 100% positive. Deep down in my heart, I believe it was him. But again, I could still be wrong. Right. Now, interesting that you say Raytheon, because I think Eric Hector talks about the Havana syndrome being directly tied to Raytheon and the technology that they're using that he witnessed in Antarctica. So there's a connection there. But also what you mentioned earlier, as far as you said, the majority of victims were Caucasian females, specifically widowed, divorced, single. So why do you think that is? Now, is this just like an off-to-shelf technology where these guys just want to, you know, fuck with their ex because they're trying to get revenge? Do you think they could be doing it just simply out of spite or are there other deeper reasons for that? Yeah, you know, I can't be in the brain of the perpetrators that are doing this. But what I can say is this, there is a timeline methodology that happens. When the person is first exposed to this, they go through this fight or fight response, not knowing what's happening to them. Usually they go to their doctors, usually they get labeled as having some type of mental disorder. That's part of it. The other part is the isolation. It really looks like, in the beginning, a decade ago, this was mostly experimentation. Time and time again, what would happen is these individuals would become very isolated because they're going and telling everyone what they believe is happening to them. Then everyone starts to distance themselves. So once they become more isolated, then particularly the psychic driving on steroids begins to happen. And for those of you who don't know what psychic driving is, you and Cameron was a Canadian psychiatrist hired by the US to do experimentation to see if you can erase someone's brain and reprogram it. He would use a lot of methodology, sleep deprivation, no, but long-term sleep through drugging them. He would put a helmet on them and put recordings that would just be repetitive over and over again. So utilizing the law of repetition, which is used in hypnosis, he would use electric shock therapy and he would use all these types of things. Now, the number one complaint of the Havana syndrome, federal employees, was they were hearing unusual noise. So now they're getting this noise 24/7, 365 a year. So this is why I say it's basically psychic driving on steroids. So that's an issue. And once this is done and you're telling everyone else, you become isolated. Now you start to have issues at work, you become unemployed. And so eventually you lose everything and you're homeless. Now I've had, believe it or not, I've had judges come see me, I've had politicians, I've had attorneys, I've had doctors and the gamut, white-collar workers, blue-collar workers all the way down. And so that's a whole construct. That's typically what happens. Now there's a subset of high functioning people that are out there. I ton of physicians, a lot of physicians are out there that are high functioning. There's attorneys that are high functioning. And what I see tends to happen is that turns into a really long-term, low to moderate assault. And that was described by Lieutenant Colonel Ingrid today. He says in those cases, those are the people that can't really be controlled. So the only hope is to make them look like they're crazy. So the thing that people need to be in fear of is how many people out there that this is happening to that have no clue that this even exists. What happens when it starts when they get a hold of a person in leadership, heaven forbid it be a president of a country. What are those scenarios? And this is why it's a national security issue, one aspect of it's a human rights issue for the general population. And what needs to happen most is there needs to be an avenue for resources. Here at Homeland Security, they're testifying there. The witnesses are testifying. And they're complaining, look, you guys put funding aside for all these federal employees, but nothing is being done with that funding. They can't even go see a doctor at the VA because they don't even have a medical code for Havana syndrome. But yet, you admit it's happening, but you're not helping. And this is our mission. So on an individual level, are there things people can do if they feel like they're being targeted? I've heard a number of modalities we've discussed in over the years and plenty of episodes. One seems to be there's a guy who sells a CD that plays a specific frequency while you sleep and apparently it acts as that firewall. And people have had great success with that. There's, we've heard a number of people say that when you feel like you're being targeted, start singing a song, start singing, and sing out loud. And it actually somehow jumbles, scrambles a signal. And it'll actually, if you're having a rash breakout or whatever, it'll stop it sometimes if it actually is being, if you are being directly targeted with a frequency. So is there anything else that you could recommend that people could do if they are experiencing this? Okay. Well, recently, we've come up with a couple of inventions. I'll talk about one. The other one I have to, I'll disclose at a later date. We recently developed a way. Now, this signal that comes in, it's modulated. Okay. And then it becomes demodulated after it hits the implant and then it gets converted into a way that the brain can understand what is being transmitted. Okay, that's the layman's way of describing it. Now that modulated signal that's coming in is around the, the, the frequency around 10 kilohertz to 11 kilohertz. It's a high pitch whine. And sometimes individuals describe it as someone's doing this with the volume, turn it up and down. Okay. Now that's not tonight is, tonight is doesn't do that. Okay, because most of the time you'll go to the doctor complain about this unusual ringing. And then they, they just, either you've got mean yours disease or tinnitus. And that's usually the blanket diagnosis. We recently developed a way. Now, now hearing this 10 kilohertz to 11 kilohertz frequency 24 seven does not allow your brain to rest. And so you become sleep deprived, fatigue, and that causes all kinds of other issues. But we recently developed a way, utilizing a frequency generator in a very inexpensive way. If you as long as you have noise canceling air pods or a headset, we can teach you how to counter that modulated signal doesn't get rid of the demodulated message. But it does counter that modulated signal. And what's nice about it is as that signal changes in frequency hopping, you can change with it. And what it does, it allows your brain to rest. And you get to get a decent night's sleep. And you're not fatigued anymore. It gets rid of the brain fog is what we've learned. And now we've tested it. I don't think I've had a failure with it yet. So it's helped everyone so far who's tried it. But there is a way to do that. And if you have someone who's really in crisis, and that's what they're complaining about, we can definitely help them with that and give coach them on on what needs to be done. Will you be scanning people at the conference? Will you have an RF scanner? And will you be offering that? I thought about it, but it takes about to do with Earl scan, it takes about an hour and a half to two hours per scan. So I'm probably not going to be able to do something like that at the event. Because I'm going to also, as one of the managers, I need to make sure that was going right. Well, I would absolutely love that because there are some things that happened that only this type of technology would explain. So if I could identify anything like that, that at least set me in the right direction, that would be great. Yeah. Yeah. And we have some researchers for you, like, depending on what we find, that we can guide you and coach you and what I would do next. Yeah. So, Desiree, Aaron, I mean, did you guys want to add anything to this before we start wrapping it up? I mean, this is a heavy subject and we could go on and on forever about this, because we're only really touching the surface of it right now. But did you want to add anything, Desiree? No, I'm good. Thanks for having us. Yeah, of course. And Aaron, did you have any last questions before we wrap it up? Well, I just thank you for the work you're doing because, you know, this is this is obviously gets labeled in the box of conspiracy, obviously, right? Because this stuff doesn't happen. This is this is crazy conspiracy. People are just crazy if they think this is happening. And that's what they want you to think, right? Because then you can just write it off and no one does it seriously. And then never gets dealt. Right. Right. Yeah. And that's that's what they're banking on. Right. So thank you for talking about this. Thank you for doing all the work you've been doing to prove that this is happening and to get help for the people that it's happening to two massive massive things that need to be done. And the more people that wake up to this that understand this is real, this is happening. And what can we do about it? You know, that's I feel like we're on that trajectory. Now, and you know, and obviously that's just one thing. There's so much manipulation happening in our world today, as we know, with agendas and and not things that aren't good for humanity that, you know, they want to keep doing in the shadows. Right. Well, the more we can wake up, the less they're able to do that and we can start taking our power back, you know. So thank you for the work you're doing. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, my, I'd rather serve others and serve myself. That's why I was a firefighter paramedic. That's why I do what I do. And enlightenment education is the number one defense. This is why we're doing the mine Lexus mine nexus live event in Tucson, Arizona on the 27th of 29th. 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It's important that we educate everyone and understand that if we don't stop this now, if we don't create resources for everyone who is victimized this way that we're in for trouble, just think do you want this to happen to your brother, your sister, your mother, your father, your grandparents, your your children, your family, your friends. This is devastating. I have seen time and time again. Like I said, doctors have these million dollar practices just lose it all only because they go to take the traditional route. Now I'm not discouraging anyone. If you have an issue and it's a medical issue, by all means you need to see your doctor, but don't tell them your theory. Just give them your symptoms. They're the professionals. They're the ones who are supposed to come up with a diagnosis for you. Now if you think this is happening to you and you want to get an RF scan or a nonlinear junction scan, by all means reach out and we'll guide you in the right direction. And where can they find you? Where can they reach out to? Just reach out at MyNexisLive.com. You can reach us there at the website or cosmic clarityconnections.org and you can just go to info@cosmic clarityconnections.org and we're more than happy to guide you in the right direction. Also, if you're curious about your suggestibility and what where you fall, if you go to the website, there's a link up at the top. This is suggestibility and for free, it will take you through a couple of quizzes and it'll give you your suggestibility score. If you fall into the highly suggestible, it'll automatically flag us and we will reach out to you. Wow. It's a small minority thing. I'm going to try that. I mean, I think at some point in our lives, we were all highly suggestible before we learned about this stuff. So yeah, that's very important. And I just wanted to also let our audience know there is a discount code right now. Am I correct about that for the conference? MindNexGo. M-I-N-D-N-E-X-G-O is the discount code and that will give you a discount of ticket and through July 15th, correct? That is correct. So tickets are $444 and with the discount code, the ticket becomes $374. And that's a great deal. And so it's a three-day event, correct? It's included. Two cater dinners and we'll give you an opportunity with the DJ so you can mingle with all of the speakers and get to network with like-minded minds and ask more questions and get answers that you're looking for. Right. I think Desiree is more excited about the DJ than the conference. He keeps bringing it up. I know, right? I get it higher than DJ. That's my one job. Nice. Yeah. So thank you so much for joining us. And guys, if you want to hear Desiree's testimony, episode 22, I don't know how cringe that might be. Looking back on that now. We were all amateurs back then, but I remember it being a great episode actually. And I've even referenced that interview in our Voice of God webinar, which was the only one that somehow that didn't make the YouTube per just the only video of everything we have that we lost, of course. We're playing on redoing it. Yeah. But there's been so much more that's been coming to the surface about this technology and just notes I've been taking over time that we can add to it and really revamp that thing and just bring new awareness and play our part. So we'll be doing that. But yeah, go ahead and say something. There is one thing. There is a video that I put in that file by William Pollack. He worked on making these chips. And he didn't want to release that video until after he passed away because he didn't want to get arrested. But he discloses everything about that and how they made billions of them in Silicon Valley and they disappeared. They have no idea where they went. It's important also that your listeners look at that video. So is this the file you sent me? Is this something that you would be okay with us sharing with our audience everything that's in it? Yeah, it's on my one drive, but you have access to it. And I have no problem with you sharing that. Okay. Yeah, I will see how much time I have for editing and stuff. But we'll definitely put the key stuff in there in the description and steer people in the right direction, because that's huge, actually having a testimony of somebody who made the chips, because yeah, we don't think about that. We were the people making them. It was kind of reminds me of the, you know, the Montauk guys that were blowing a whistle on, Hey, we were the ones fracturing people's minds. And this is how we did it. You know, so you don't typically hear from those guys because they've been silenced. So that's a really interesting testimony. I'd like to look into more. So yeah, thank you guys so much. And we hope to see all of you guys at the conference. We Aaron and I, like I said, we'll be there. It's a great lineup. It's September 27 through the 29th Tucson Arizona mind. Nexus live.com, right? Correct. That's correct. And grab your chicken and come hang out. It's going to be a great time. And it's going to be a nice weather in Arizona at that time, I would believe. I don't know. Maybe it might be hot. I have no idea. But it'll be a little hot. Yeah, it'll be hotter than where we're at. But yeah, right. And be July degrees. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be a little hot. It'll still be in the hundreds. It'll still. Yeah, it'll still be my light. It's going to be hot. But still come out. Humidity, though, coming out right. Where is the humidity? Right. Actually a lot nicer. Yeah, you, this was amazing. Thank you, Jesse, your wealth of knowledge. I mean, you, you know, your stuff and clearly you're, you're the right guy to be behind this and involved with this project. So we're definitely honored to be a part of it. And we can't wait to see you guys there in person. 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We'd love you. Good night. Ladies and gentlemen, the very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society. And we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweigh the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. Our Constitution journey did not stop then and it must not stop now, Judge. And we'll be faced with equally consequential decisions in the 21st century. Can a microscopic tag be implanted in a person's body to track his every movement? There's actual discussion about that. You will rule on that. Mark my words before your tenure is over. Dr. Francis Collins is the director of the National Institutes of Health. Let me just say a word though about neuroimaging. Certainly the problem with incidental findings though is an enormous obvious overlap with the genetic situation. MRI scans often give things you didn't expect and often they're things you don't know what to do with. UBOs, they're called unidentified bright objects. Do you want to have one of those in your brain? Well you might. What are you going to do with that? Can brain scans be used to determine whether a person is inclined toward criminality or violent behavior? You will rule on that. Getting again into forensics, lie detection. Certainly there are those who believe this will become a more accurate means of assessing when somebody is practicing deception and then other available methods. And judge, I need to know whether you will be a justice who believes that the constitutional journey must continue to speak to these consequential decisions or that we've gone far enough from protecting against government intrusion into our autonomy into the most personal decisions we make. Judge, that's why this is a critical moment. Personality, prediction, or profiling, again, something that might be used in making decisions about who gets access to which particular kinds of jobs are in the military or also could be used in courts of law. Neuromarketing, a little scary concept there trying to assess when people are responding effectively to certain kinds of advertising or... Security Subcommittee on Counterterrorism Law Enforcement and Intelligence will come to order. The purpose of this hearing is to receive testimony from expert witnesses from the national security realm that will inform our understanding of anomalous health incidents or more commonly known as Havana Syndrome. I now recognize myself for an opening statement. Good afternoon and welcome to the Subcommittee on Counterterrorism Law Enforcement and Intelligence. We are holding this important hearing to examine anomalous health incidents otherwise known as AHI's or Havana Syndrome and discuss the potential targeting of U.S. government officials and their families in the homeland and elsewhere. Although this issue has recently gained significant media attention, the issues surrounding anomalous health incidents or Havana Syndrome are not new. Dating back to 2014, a number of U.S. diplomatic, military, and intelligence officials and their families have reported major medical symptoms that have affected their auditory and sensory motor skills. These issues became public in late 2016 after a group of Canadian diplomats and U.S. government employees and their families assigned to the U.S. Embassy in Havana, Cuba began experiencing similar symptoms. After the reported incidents in Havana, government officials and their families began reporting similar symptoms in the People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Germany, Austria, Serbia, Australia, Taiwan, Columbia, as well as here in the United States. I'm in the anomalous health incidents affecting a range of U.S. natural security personnel, including intelligence officials, members of our armed forces, and diplomats. Sometimes referred as Havana Syndrome, anomalous health incidents were first reported, determined, suggested, back in 2014, by U.S. personnel assigned to our embassy in Havana. Many have described the symptoms that were chronic and debilitating. Sadly, these incidents have not been isolated to Havana. U.S. personnel have reported such incidents as Hanoi, Vienna, London, Moscow, as well as here in the United States, in Washington, D.C., Virginia, and Pennsylvania. Mr. Chairman, ranking members, Congressmen, it is an honor to speak with you today and give voice to the unseen. The U.S. government, A.H.I. survivors, and their families. My name is Greg Edgreen. I stood up and led the D.A.A.'s Task Force, which was in charge of taking care of our survivors, and determining the cause. For background, I'm not an analyst. I'm a retired Army and intelligence officer. Following are my personal opinions and do not represent the opinions of the government. Given the classification of this topic, many of my comments will have to be made at a future closed-door session. As a country, we have been here before. Most people think this all started in Havana in 2016, the widely reported Havana Syndrome. This led to the U.S. withdrawing most of its staff and ending reproachments between Havana and Washington. But before Havana Syndrome, there was the Moscow signal. Soviet intelligence made the U.S. embassy in Moscow with microwave transmissions. The health effects were similar to what we see today. There are many examples of syndromes and ailments from Americans injured in the line of duty that the government did not recognize. For many years, which were eventually proven, Agent Orange used in Vietnam. The Gulf War Syndrome burned pits during the forever wars of Iraq and Afghanistan. In all of these examples, America took too long to acknowledge these injuries and our servicemembers languished without care. Havana Syndrome is no different. The gaslighting of AHI survivors continues to this day as history repeats itself. Throughout all this, I learned America's best men and women in national security are being targeted and neutralized in a global campaign. AHI has been reported in the press in every continent, except for Antarctica, with a large percentage of these attacks occurring in the homeland, an American in this town. Disturbing. If I get to my questions, I just want to reiterate that we're going to do everything we can to assure that the victims, those that are suffering, will receive consistent health care for what is ailing you. But Mr. Edgren, the evidence, no intentional attack yet what I'm hearing from Mr. Zade, Mr. Grozov, is that there's a possibility that something is out there attacking us, especially in homeland. Mr. Edgren, based on Mr. Mr. Zade just said, what are your thoughts? My personal thoughts? As an intelligence officer. Is that I agree with them? My personal opinions is that this is a global campaign and it includes attacking us here at home. It is a strategic issue that is going to impact us. Is this a attack by the Russians, just the Russians and is it against the U.S. solely or other allies as well? I have to be careful what I say here. So let me say this. And if I can, say what you can if you gentlemen feel better talking about this in a more secure setting. I'll start by saying that as well. Congressman, thank you for the question. Give me 20 minutes in a skiff and I'll convince all of you. I know where the bodies are buried. I know the cabinets to look in the questions to ask and the people to subpoena. I will say that this is a global campaign and it's focused on attacking our people, the best of our people. It's not the middle-range people that are being attacked. It's those that are succeeding, succeeding and providing work, work that rhymes up on the president's desk every morning. So it's a massive issue. It's something that doesn't come to light and it's something that especially with the Department of Defense survivors, the unseen, they're totally left out of this because the Havana Act doesn't cover your active duty members. They're told to go to the VA but there's no VA diagnostic code so we're not getting them care. It's not consistent. We have funding available that's allocated that we could provide to take care of all of our people in our government. We're not using it. That's why I urge you to contact the defense health program. Government action recognizing this issue. You compare this to Agent Orange and some of the other ailments or military personnel have suffered and it takes decades to acknowledge that yes, this is an issue. It's a medical issue to be taken care of, to be treated on a long-term basis. It's kind of where we started today. I think that I agree with you and with the chairman and Mr. Swalwell, who worked on this issue for a long time, that we do have to take care of the victims the best we can. Now we're shifting to something else which is essentially a cover-up. What you all are saying is there's a government cover-up of the fact that something is out there afflicting, targeting us. Is this where we're going with this? Thank you. Great points. I won't get into classification of the problems. I will tell you that the government in the IC assessment is wrong. It's dead wrong. I can't tell you if it's a cover-up, why they're doing this, malfeasance. I won't go there. What I can tell you is that it's my firm belief. We already have attribution. Right now is the time for action, retribution, and we need to prioritize taking care of our people because there's a lot of survivors and their families that have been attacked here in the homeland that are in a long wait line to get the wall to read because we're not executing funding that's already been allocated by you gentlemen to take care of these survivors. You fix wall to read and the defense health program everyone benefits. Mr. Zade. So, sir, I've been working in the national security field for 30 years representing some of our most covert intelligence officers who I respect a great deal and the agencies. The word cover-up, I will tell you that there are many legitimate reasons why there could be what the agencies are doing to explain why they are doing it. What I will tell you is that the public state would use a cover-up as a statement or other words. So, cover-up would depend on intent. There could be good reasons to withhold information. I will say that the public statements that the executive branch is making is inconsistent with the classified record. And you should refer that last question to the FBI in classified spaces. Obviously, the episode with my client, an active FBI agent that was authorized to speak to 60 minutes talks about an incident in Key West and most of that information is either law enforcement sensitive or classified. Are any of you aware of any reported incidents from individuals who are not members of the United States government in, domestically, I should say? I am not, but I will throw a caveat in there. Generally, I only focused on former and current government employees that were attacked. Mr. Zade, are you? There are many people who believe they are victims of AHI's. All you have to do is look at my Twitter feed whenever I post on the topic. I only represent federal government employees in their families, so I don't focus on the accuracy of those particular claims. And Mr. Grazep, do you have any insight? Not on American soil, but in other parts of the world, there have been complaints that appear to be credible from Russian activists or Russian opposition leaders leading abroad. If your assessments here are correct, these are very covert weapons, aren't they? They don't leave behind bomb fragments, bullet holes, etc. They could absolutely be used by our adversaries and have very low levels of very easy to deny that they were even there, that they were used. Is that correct? That's correct. There's no entry or exit wound. 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