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EP 313 | Tom Dongo | Sedona Underground - Joint ET/Military Installations - Portals & more

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Tom Dongo:
Tom Dongo is a long time resident of Sedona, Arizona.  He is recognized as a world authority, and one of United States of America's leading authorities, on UFOs, paranormal occurrences and remote viewer and over the course of many years been a key lecturer at numerous U.S national, and international, conferences including the International UFO Congress.
He studied at the Berkeley International Pyschic Institute in Santa Cruz, California, and has spent the last thrity (30) years in the greater Sedona, Arizona area, which is known as one of the premier UFO hot-spots of the world.
Mr. Dongo is a writer of mainstream magazine articles and the author of eight (8) books on the paranormal including ~ The Mysteries of Sedona: The New Age Frontier, The Alien Tide (Mysteries of Sedona, Book 2), The Quest, The Quest: Twenty-Six Who have Answered the Call to Sedona Peak of Their Spiritual Quests & Experiences, The Quest: In Pursuit of the Ultimate Mastery,  Merging Dimensions Vol.1:  The Opening Portals of Sedona, Everything You Wanted to Know about Sedona in a Nutshell, Unseen Beings, Unseen World.
WEBSITE:https://tomdongo.com

Duration:
1h 21m
Broadcast on:
20 Jul 2024
Audio Format:
mp3
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And it will eventually be released publicly on our rumble, but for now it's exclusively on Patreon and there's a lot of other bonus content and exclusive content over there. So if you haven't yet checked it out, go sign up for that. It's only $5, like I said, and that link is below in the description. And today we are joined by Tom Dongo, who is a paranormal UFO and ET researcher, a remote viewer and a medical intuitive included and an author of eight books and technically more because you have chapters in the Shining the Light series, which is actually how I actually personally discovered you in the original Shining the Light book where you were talking about the UFO crash in Sedona and a number of other chapters you chimed in on as well. So they're, you know, I have your first books here, you can see them with GitHub, right? Yeah. So we, I know you've been at this for a long time, quite a while. And a lot of people here may know who you are. So I would like to just kind of hit the ground running and get into the meat of everything today. But if you would like to briefly introduce yourself to our audience who doesn't know who you are, we'll give you that opportunity now, but welcome to the show. Yeah. Okay. Well, you guys on my 90, 93rd worldwide radio show, I've been at this for about 50 years now. And I've talked to around 90 million people I figure out as I was on coast to coast three times. There's 30 million right there. So but anyway, I've been the last 40 years I've lived in this area. This whole area around Sedona in the Verdi Valley is one of the world hotspots for the paranormal. It's constantly going on here one way or another. It's phenomenal. And right now we're dealing with some strange underground base phenomenon. And I'm pushing 80 and when we 80 pretty soon, but there are four or five serious researchers here that kind of fill me in on what they find. And it's pretty, is pretty phenomenal. And I was just interviewed by Ross Coalford, he's an Australian. He's a professionals interviewer and those guys, those guys are tough. Those guys are hard. It was a brutal interview. He had the whole camera crew in there, but he asked the question is, he was basically here researching these bases and their partly military, US military and partly alien extraterrestrial material. My main focus since I was about 60 years old, 16 years old, is Bigfoot and later on extraterrestrial humans. And I run into three. I had an extraterrestrial girl materialized right in front of me. I mean, I had to jump back, she materialized so close. So on these shows I've been on, I've talked about just about everything I can, I can, I'm pretty, pretty well focused on all kinds of things. So I'm used to some really, really interesting questions. Well, I got plenty for you. And I guess let's start with the Sedona underground because that's one of the things that came up in the shiny and the light book, I believe specifically a base under the enchantment resort. And there's been a lot of testimony of like, uh, convoys of trucks and vehicles going in and not coming back out and driving into the mountain. And that's just one location. I think there's, like you said, a number of underground bases there. And I know William Cooper talked about the joint ET government bases under the four corners area and each of those states. So we know that, you know, there is corroborating testimony that they're in fact there. But what do you know about them? Well, incidentally, Bill Cooper was one of my best friends early on. So I know, I know a lot about Bill Cooper and Bill Clinton called him America's enemy number one. And the reason for that was because he was telling the truth. He was, he was, he was the enemy and they, you know, he got, he probably got killed because of that. But enchantment, the, yeah, there's something strange in that area and nobody, you know, the interesting thing is people ask me, well, what is it? I, I, you know, I, I don't know, I, I, uh, but, uh, under enchantment, uh, I've been there when, and this recently, this recently happened again about two weeks ago, it sounds like a low, low locomotive running underground. It sounds just like a diesel locomotive on underground is exactly what it sounds like. And I was told by one of the employees that works there at Jam, but that's a real, uh, serious researcher, you know, this stuff. He said, we heard that about two weeks ago, three weeks ago now. So anyway, there's something strange going on around here and it has, has something to do with, um, bases and the, and we know now that the US government is, is directly involved in, in this stuff. We, we, uh, you know, I used to be, I used to be known as pretty reckless when I was young. I, I, I, uh, I, I, I just go after him. I'm there turf. I don't, I can't do that anymore at two old, but the other guys do, you know, and so we know that, uh, and this stuff, it's, uh, uh, 15 miles from here, it's, it's pretty serious stuff. A lot of black helicopters and very strange lights, uh, blue, green lights shooting out of the ground and, uh, the, uh, on the other, uh, this, this is around black mountain, but on the other side of black mountain, there's sick and low canyon and some of the strangest paranormal stuff that's happened on this planet has happened in sick and low canyon. For a long time, I would advise people not to go in there alone because there are people who have gone in there and have never been seen again. So, uh, you know, if, uh, you know, a lot of them do it anyway, you know, they, they go camping in there or whatever, but, uh, then a lot of big foot, recent big foot activity in sick and low canyon and U.S. military and some kind of, some kind of, uh, um, uh, uh, probably extraterrestrial, they, they, uh, the fact that a guy, this wasn't too long ago. It was on a motor, motorbike back there, uh, and, uh, uh, and he got stopped by six guys with, uh, M-16s and, uh, they told him he was trespassing and, uh, um, restricted government area and they, they, they heard him pretty bad. They, they, uh, pushed him to the ground, shoved the muscles of the guns in his face and, and, uh, uh, slapped him around a little bit. And this, you know, this, this sort of thing happens around here. So what, what, what, you know, what's the cause of it? What's the nature of it? I don't, I don't know, but there have been probably in the last 40 years, uh, I, I call a machine gun incidences and it's, it's been happening, there's seven canyons here. And it's happened on all the canyons and, uh, they, they, uh, what, what happens this? And it started in, in secret canyon and nobody, uh, I talked to people over here in the 40s and they don't know who, who named secret canyon. It's a mystery, but it is a very, very strange place. Um, so it, uh, it seems to be, it was in any rate that they, the, uh, getting back to what I was talking about, the, the, the machine gun incidences that happened at all the canyons and out in the flats, uh, they, what happens is, uh, I interviewed one guy, usually I have to depend on second or third person in interviews, you know, what other people, but I have interviewed a few people, first person face to face, the one guy named light, he was in, he was in the secret canyon and he ran into six guys that were, they all, they have American uniforms on it. U S military, I checked, I have friends that are kernels or retired kernels. And I, I would ask them, and they, they were all current U S, uh, uniform, U S military, but they don't have any insignia on them. And so anyway, this guy named light, he, he, he was in, uh, uh, secret canyon and it's all, it's all national forest back there as the coconut, you know, national forest. So, uh, you ran into these guys with different colored, different types of military U S military uniforms on, they all had, uh, machine guns, M 16s or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So he, uh, they stopped him, uh, and they, they, they said you, you, there's some, some, uh, uh, restricted military activity going on behind you. And I found out just recently that is, uh, a, uh, a restricted military area and it's, it's where one shouldn't be. So that means there's something there, but what is it? I don't know. Nobody else does either. But at any rate, like said, no, no, this is a public path and I'm going to, uh, that's the way I'm going that way. So the guy stuck the M 16 in his face and said, you take one step and I'll pull a trigger. That's how serious it gets. And it's been going on the last one I know of fish in person and with a Apache Indian boy, I, I had dinner with him and he said he was on sacred mountain and it's not really a mountain. It's a Mesa, but he, uh, he ran into a five or six guys that had masks on and they were all carrying, you know, uh, automatic rifles and they said, they said you, you, uh, they cut, they cut him a little tree and say, you take this tree, you drag your trail, you go back, it's the way you came in and drag your trail so you don't leave any tracks. And he said, these, these guys were not human. They were, uh, just like the guy that on the motorbike, they got knocked to the ground. He said, those guys weren't human. Uh, and the guy on the motorbike said they were, they were driving a Humvee back there or you, you, I've been back, I've hiked back there when I was younger. You can't drive a Humvee anywhere back there. So he, uh, he, uh, uh, he said that they, they, they gave him the Humvee and drove it. The ground opened up and this had, that's that sort of thing. It happened around here a number of times, the ground, the ground opened up and, uh, the Humvee drove into the, the, the cliff and then closed up again. Yeah. I've interviewed a number of people that said that's happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that, that's, that, that's amazing because I, I guess the most interesting part to me would that would be that they're saying that these aren't human. There would be some sort of human hybrid or men in black type. Yeah. Is that what you're getting at? Well, they, they don't, they don't look or act human. They, they, they're trying to imitate humans, but it doesn't, doesn't work too good. Uh, and there have been people that have disappeared and never been seen again, not a lot, but it's, it has happened here. I'd say four in the last 50 years have gone into the canyons and never come out. And there was a forest ranger. Uh, he, the guy was writing a book about it and I forgot his name now, but anyway, young forest ranger, he was 22 years old. He walked into secret canyon and he was a survivalist and, uh, he, uh, he walked in the secret canyon and he's never been seen since. They never found a trace of him. So he saw something that that, uh, he, he, he was supposed to see and they weren't going to let him, they didn't let him, wouldn't let him go. And they've never found, they, the helicopter, the dogs, you name it. They never found a trace of this guy and he's, he was a survivalist then in, in many wilderness areas, but he was, he disappeared and the guy writing a book about him. I'm sorry. I can't remember the forest rangers name, but, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it, it happened. It seems to me that a lot of this stuff would be happening is still happening as of fairly recently. Well, it kind of, it's kind of repetitionist, you know, it's never the same around here. I've been studying this. Well, I've been here 40 years now. Uh, I, I lived in Sedona of 33 and I'm in cottonwood now, which is 20 miles south. So I, I'm in touch with, I'm, I'm in the middle of a network. I, I hear everything, uh, and that the, uh, one thing, the Bigfoot activity lately, there's, there's a number of Bigfoot's Bigfoot around here and Dogman, uh, if you guys aren't familiar with Dogman, I research Dogman for a year and it's scary as hell, but they're real and they've been, uh, two women, I, I interview both these women. I, I know them well and one, a, a Dogman, uh, peeked in her bedroom window at night. The, and Dogman have you the, um, um, orange or red glowing eyes. They say Bigfoot eyes glow, but they don't. It's Dogman. If you see a, a hairy creature tonight with glowing eyes, it's a Dogman. Uh, so anyway, that, uh, and then, uh, the other, my other friend Summer saw two o'clock in the afternoon, a Dogman ran in front of her car and she got a good look at it. She, she knows me real well. So she knows what a Dogman is and she said, you know, absolutely with a Dogman, uh, and then come to, come to think of it, uh, about, uh, a month ago, a woman in Oak Creek, Oak Creek Canyon said that, uh, I thought this, it must have been, it was a big foot. She called it a big foot, but it, it, it, uh, it was a tall, hairy man like creature and it ran away in seconds on four, on four legs, big feet don't run on four, four feet, four legs, but Dogman do, I mean, they're, they can outrun anything, a Dogman, anything in the woods, a Dogman can outrun it because people have seen him do it, uh, run a deer down in seconds. That's, that's pretty fast. Now, so this, do you believe that these Dogman are, um, government, genetic, uh, experiment, experimental cryptids? Do you think they're coming through portals or where do you think they're coming from? I wish I knew it, but that the, uh, I spent a year, uh, I've studied just about everything in the weird paranormal, uh, well, I spent about a year studying, uh, Dogman, first person faces on the, on the, there's a couple of shows on the radio, they're very good. They interviewed people that have really had Dogman experiences, but they, they're, they're, um, you know, they're, they're, uh, I forgot what I was going to say, but they're, they're absolutely real Dogman and, and, uh, they, uh, oh, they, they, uh, you know, I, I've camped all over North America, including Alaska with my girlfriend, a Yukon, and if I didn't, if I didn't know what about Dogman 50 years ago, 50 or 60 years ago, I, it probably would have changed my whole itinerary and I, I'm glad it didn't, I didn't know that, uh, you know, Dogman are just about everywhere and I've, I've, this, this study that I've learned is that Dogman and Bigfoot don't get along. They, they, they won't, they avoid each other's territory. That seems to make sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Bigfoot have got the advantage, uh, because they're bigger and stronger than a Dogman, but a Dogman is, it's, it's, it's got a, it's got a face like a dog. They're black, usually black, hairy, uh, long legs. If they, uh, one woman I interviewed said that this thing stood up and it was 14 feet tall. And I go, wow. I mean, that's, that's, that's incredible. Right. Yeah. It was, it was on, it was on four legs and it stood out and it, and it, it's, it's, it's our limbs were cracking when it stood up and she said it was, it was at least 14 feet tall and this was in Oregon. Wow. So yeah, a lot of weird stuff going on. So I, I, my question before that where I think you forgot what you were saying was, um, do you believe that they're coming through portals? Like are they, they're international? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've done, I don't do stage talks anymore, but I, I have to tell people, you know, my, my mind wanders and I, so I said, somebody in the audience telling me to say, hey, Tom, you were talking about, uh, remote viewing, I, oh, okay. So I, I, you know, so people would have to remind me, you'll take time. My mind's been wandering for a long time. But you know, nobody knows what dog, what dog man to come from with their, their, their, their, I, I've asked Indians. So somebody's, you know, somebody says, well, have you talked to the Indians? And so I did my, my best friends was a, uh, Cliff Mahoudi was a Zuni elder. Yeah. And, uh, Cliff, I, I miss him every day. He was my best, best friend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had him on the road. Oh, he did. Yeah. Four years. Over four years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's great. Yeah. He's a very special man. Very special. So I asked him, I said, Cliff, what do you, what do you got because Cliff has worked for the government. He was in charge of, uh, 261 tribes, uh, in the, in the country. They, they all, they always thought he was a government man because he worked for the government, but he really was, uh, give us, he was trying to help the tribes. But he said, you know, uh, nobody knows about dogs, man. We, all we know is there's something paranormal. Looking for excitement, Chumba Casino is here. Play any time, play anywhere. Play on the train, play at the store, play at home, play when you're bored. Play today for your chance to win and get daily bonuses when you log in. So what are you waiting for? Don't delay. Chumba Casino is free to play. And social gameplay, like never before, go to Chumba Casino right now to play hundreds of games, including online slots, lingo, slingo and more live the Chumba life at Chumba Casino dot com. P-T-W group. No purchase necessary. We're prohibited by law. See terms and conditions. 18 plus. But on that we, nobody knows. And you know, you, then, then there's skinwalker, uh, I've, I've researched skinwalkers with, with, with the, with the Navajo's and skinwalkers are absolutely real. They say skinwalker ranch in that area. Skinwalkers are a strange creature. Uh, they're, they're not a, they're not a dog man, not, not any kind of a Bigfoot. Uh, I, uh, I interviewed a woman that had one in, in, in Drennel, Utah near the skinwalker ranch is running beside the car and they were doing 70 miles an hour. And she said the thing looked like an mangled deer and then it veered off and ran, ran off into the desert. This is just a few miles from skinwalker ranch. Uh, you know, so I'm, I'm, I'm famous about the Bradshaw ranch. That's my, my thing, you know, and, uh, so, and I know the skinwalker guys. Uh, and I know Brandon, if you go personally and so I, I know what the, the big difference between the Bradshaw ranch and the skinwalker ranch is, uh, the, uh, the, uh, uh, uh, skinwalker ranch is pretty, uh, malevolent, you know, the Bradshaw ranch. The Bradshaw ranch wasn't, it was nothing bad ever happened on the Bradshaw. I mean, I was there, I was there four and a half years and I, I wrote a this, uh, this book with two, which is my, my best seller. This is my bread and butter. So everybody go out and book. I emerging dimensions. Uh, this is all, this is all about the Bradshaw ranch, all about the Bradshaw ranch, the whole thing. Uh, so, um, you know, I, I've compared the Bradshaw ranch with the skinwalker ranch often. Uh, and I was one of the first people I got involved with the skinwalker ranch when, uh, George Napa was up there and, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, really good. Anyway, so, so, uh, it's, it's a strange world we live in, you know, and I, I've been called one of the world's best remote viewers and I, I, I work with some of the best in, in the world. Uh, and, and you know, there's something strange going on on this planet that doesn't, nobody understands. I've said it many times on, on radio that there's something strange that, that there's one, uh, even the best psychics and the best remote viewers don't know what it is, but I, I, I kind of sense it a little bit, you know, I've talked about this with a friend of mine. He's a retired army colonel and he, he agrees with me that there's, there's just something that's, well, uh, I was on coast to coast a couple of months ago and I talked about this and Connie said, no, you, you, you know, I said, no, Connie, I'm going to talk about this. The, when I was remote viewing one time, I, I, uh, I, oh, yeah, the, uh, the, uh, the missing 411, David Polities, uh, I've, I've, I've, I've been involved in that quite a while. You know, there's thousands of people that disappear in the national parks worldwide disappear. Poof gone. And, uh, so I've never been able to track one, but David Polities, he named people, especially at this deer hunter and said exactly where he disappeared on the map and all that. So I was able to, uh, remove you coordinated and, and, and following you find that there's an energy trail. You know, you can, you can, I was at the, I, I, uh, I spent a lot of time at the Berkeley Psychic Institute and they taught me how to do this. So anyway, I'm, I'm going and I'm tracking this guy trailing him. And a couple of times I've been asked, uh, interviews, what did you go up or did you go down? I said, that's a very good question. I went straight up very fast. So in this one case, um, uh, I was going very fast and some, some, somebody, something slammed on my brakes and stopped and, uh, uh, I, uh, there's a, there's a, a remote viewers, early on remote viewers couldn't do that. There was a wall that would be put in foam and they couldn't get through it. But I early on learned how I was at a general stubble bind meeting one time up to the best remote viewers in the world were there and nobody knew how to get through this wall. I want to raise my hand. You know, I do. I do. I know how. There's a wall there and I'm looking at it and the voice said, this is as far as you go. And I'm looking at the wall and what the voice said, don't even try it. So you know, uh, like, like I said on coast to coast, I said, you know, what, what was behind that wall that they, whoever they are, don't want us to see. And, uh, you know, I wasn't about to, I wasn't about to test, you know, don't even try it. You know, I, you know, we're, we're poor morals, we're a physical body. These, these things without a body and there's lots of them out there, you know, what they can do to us. You know, so, so at any rate, uh, I, I didn't, I, I've, I've said that there's something out there that nobody knows is there that something doesn't want us to see a, um, and a, um, so yeah, so that's so heavy duty, um, yeah. Okay. So whenever you said you, you know how to get past the wall, but you didn't go past that wall and that particular instance, but you do know how to get around it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what have you discovered and the walls that you have gone past? Uh, actually the time, the time that I've gone up through it, nothing, but you've just, just a continuation of the trail and I go a little ways and then, uh, because, you know, everybody, remote viewers, some, somebody does something to you, like a psychic or remote viewer or whatever, they leave a trail and if you taught how to define that trail and, and, and follow it, like I was at the Berkeley Psychic Institute, you can find them. Uh, I was recently, when I first started, I was born with remote viewing ability and I, I was at the Sedona airport one time and, uh, I, I felt some, something really funny. So I stopped and I looked around and I could see an energy and it was, it was, so I followed it. It doesn't, it, you can do it in seconds. You can even do it driving a car. It's not, not, not something you'd have to meditate seriously or whatever. But anyway, I, I, I found two people, I came, came down and two people as a man or woman, they were all dressed in black. Now, I think they were in Hungary or, or, uh, that, and they turned and looked up, looked up at me. They could, they could tell that I was there and smiled, big smile and they, they knew the jig was out. They, they were trans, you know, and the governments done this to me too. Uh, when, when SciTech was in, this is a, SciTech was a government, uh, offshoot of the best of Ingot Smalls and Russell Toggs crew, SciTech. So, so I got a, I got a letter one, one, one time and I saved it. I kept it that, uh, we've been remote viewing you and I, you know, I, I think, oh, why, excuse me, why, why, why is the government, you know, this is about 25 years ago, uh, remote viewing. And I'm known schmuck like me. And I have, I had one book of matters and I was, I was well known for the Brad Shaw ranch. So the whole team was, and it was, and, uh, uh, my friend, we're, we're good friends now, very good friends. He sent me the letter. He was a, he was a lieutenant colonel at the time. And I said, uh, hey, hey, uh, wrong, what, what's the deal with you guys, you know, uh, remote viewing me from SciTech with SciTech? And he said, we, we weren't. He said, what are you talking about? He never did that. And I said, Ron, I've got your letter right here. You signed it. And he said, I don't know anything about it. So anyway, that's the kind of stuff I get involved with. Wow. So you mentioned in a previous interview, actually, Aaron, did you have any questions before we keep going? Uh, no. No. Give me on. So you mentioned in a previous interview, you were at, I don't know, some conference or somewhere and you heard a, a military remote viewer talk about getting cage, getting trapped on a UFO. Oh, yeah. And it, but, but hearing that story made you realize that you weren't crazy because you talked about remote viewing, um, craft and ETs. And you even went as far as saying that there's hundreds of UFOs encompassing circling the earth and some of them are just on trade routes and, and things of that nature. Cause so could you elaborate on that? Yeah. I was off many times, I thought I was going crazy. I, I, I, I tell myself, I, I've got to be insane. This is not normal. This is nuts. But, um, oh, McMonigal, he forgot his first name now, but, but he was, I was, I was at a long time ago. I was at a UFO conference and we were at six of us in a circle and he was standing right beside me. And I'd been going out in space and visiting alien spacecraft and, uh, he, uh, uh, uh, anyway, he, he was, I'm, I think I'm not, I'm not crazy. I'm really not crazy with the whole government remote viewing team was doing that. And, and it's actually easy if you're a remote viewer. And, uh, so anyway, uh, McMonigal was, uh, he, he would, they were doing it. And if you go, my experience has been his, he'd go close to a, there's thousands of, well, thousands of alien spacecraft out there in, uh, in orbit around here are some, some or a million miles out, but anyway, if you go up to an alien craft and you go closer to it and you, you feel threatened, you need to get away fast. But if you feel there's no threat, you know, you get, you feel welcomed or whatever, uh, you can go on it. You go right through it. You go right through the wall and you, and they look up and they all know the damn human, you know, that sort of thing. And, and, so, Joe McMonigal and that's so Joe, uh, I get a kick out of this. I would, it could be such a, such a, such a stupid mistake that Joe McMonigal did. But anyway, he, he was, they, they, they, uh, they threatened him not, not to go on the ship ever, evidently and, uh, he did. So they put him in a, like a glass cage and they wouldn't let him out. Uh, you know, he did two terms, two tours in Vietnam, which shot up real bad. Yeah. And he said, I think he, if I remember, he said, that scared him even more than being in Vietnam. So, yeah, they wouldn't let him go. They hit him trapped in this box out in space and his psyche was out there and his body was, his body was down here. So finally they let him go and he said, it really scared the hell out of him. So I, I said, what, you know, I think, what a dummy. I, I even, I knew amateur like me that you, you, you don't, you get, you get worn, you get threatened. You don't go close because they can do things to you like they did to Joe and they could have done a lot more. Right. But yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's the kind of stuff like, you know, do you, we're going to say something there? No, I was just saying that's, that's, that's pretty crazy. Right. Trapped by an ET race on a, I know, I know, I know, I know what I wanted to say to you guys. You know, the journey to truth, my whole life, the reason I do this stuff is, and I've said this many times, I just, I want to know what the hell is going on. Without any BS, you know, and there's, there's so much BS. It's really hard to sort it out. There's so many people with bad, you know, imaginations, you know, and it's, it's, it's hard to, it's hard to what, you know, wage itself through it because there's so many people that have created a fantasy and then they, they make it real. They believe it. Like O.J. Simpson. Oh, he didn't do it. But he did, he, all the people that that court said, O.J. Simpson definitely killed those two people, but he convinced himself he didn't do it. Well, that's the kind of thing I run into a lot. Oh, they'll, they'll create a reality, reality, it's impossible, but they believe it. Right. Yeah. And it's important as a researcher to understand things like that because, and we, that's, you know, we interview lots of people and we do encounter a lot of that. And, and we give the person a stage and we let them tell their story and let the audience decide we're not here telling people what's true and what's not. So it's just a great reminder. Yeah. To just take everything with a grain of salt and yeah, and a lot of times it'll be not black and white where somebody will have on that will, will generally agree with their information or think their story and their information is real, but then they'll say a bunch of stuff that we're, we're like, nah, you know, also. So it's like, don't ever just, even if you like somebody and you generally think they're telling the truth and their story is real, they can be deceived as well or they can believe a lot of things that are not true as well and you just got to use your discern it. And also there is also also the trend of like people get, people like to throw the baby out the bathwater a lot where they, one person will be a fraud and, you know, as a remote viewer or as a, um, my lab person or as an ET contact or whatever, whatever it may be. And then they like, oh, see, I told you all that to be asked because of this one or two people that are frauds, um, which is also not the case. Um, from what I found, there's truth in every area, but it's a matter of like you said, there are a lot of people that are just making up fantasies. And some of them actually believe them 100% just because they believe it themselves doesn't mean it's actually true because you can, you can deceive yourself as well. So remote viewing those, a powerful tool to, to actually sift through that and, and find the truth for yourself. So, um, yeah, I agree. So that's a, that's a, that's a great thing to teach people and to get out there. Yeah, you know, you know, I've been on shows that there have been a million listeners, you know, and, and I've tried to teach it. I, I, you know, they shot them, they said, some of these guys charge three, four, five thousand dollars to teach remote viewing myself and, and Maureen St. Germain, we taught it for two years and we, we, we did pretty good. Maureen would teach the military version and I, and she, she said, I go with, you know, I would teach the Tom Dongo version. They worked out pretty good, we, we had some people, uh, had some stunning realizations about, uh, that they learned it, they, they caught it, you know, and the worst thing is they don't, people don't believe they can do it, but everybody can do it, if they really try and if they really want to. So, so, um, anyway, I, I wish, I wish there were millions and millions, and I, I've, I've tried, I've given it away free. It should be millions of remote viewers because, uh, because the truth, uh, uh, it's, it's a, it, it, for a good remote viewer, it's a possible lie to them, uh, and, uh, so, so it would, it would just about eliminate liars, uh, and, and, uh, so, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm all alone. I'm, I'm just, you know, my, I, I don't have, I, I had some friends around here that were good remote viewers, and, and my, my, my lieutenant, Colonel Fran, he was here for a while and with his wife, they've left, so they're not around anymore. Right. And, uh, a couple, couple government remote viewers, and they were here for a while, they, they've gone, but I don't have anybody to play with. Oh, well, you know, we can connect you with some people, we know quite a few remote viewers just from doing the show over the years, but, uh, yeah, there's more and more, there's more and more. Dr. Courtney, Dr. Courtney Brown on the show last year, um, Tony Rod Riggs is basically a remote viewer now, um, John Pavanko, if you've heard of him on the show in the past. Right. Well, either way, what, what I was getting at was there's a lot of, um, people, a lot of people that are teaching it now and offering courses, and it's fairly inexpensive. So I think we're starting to see a little bit more of what you were trying to accomplish. And, uh, like you said, I don't think it's a bad thing. I think it's great, but I want to, um, get back to the story a little bit. Um, you were, you know, when you say there's thousands of craft orbiting the planet and then you've remote viewed them now, what types of scenarios or situations are you seeing? Are you seeing like, uh, just races from all over the galaxy, a galactic federation type of stuff, reptilian secret space program type of stuff? I mean, are, are even our own military, you know, could you maybe fill us in on some of the things that you witnessed or remote view? Well, you know, I've done a lot of research with, with, uh, uh, uh, extraterrestrial humans. They're, but my estimation, they're about 17 races and three or four of them are doing everything they can to help us. The rest of them don't give it to him. You know, they say, if you want to blow yourself up, have at it, but, but there's, then, and then there's about a hundred humanoids that there are this way more humanoids than there are, uh, humans and, uh, and these humans look so much like us. They're here now. They're, they're among us and I, I have a friend that's a psychic, a great psychic. She said that, uh, I got a message that this, that there's many, uh, humans that are here to help us because we're, we're in a critical stage of development. They're trying to keep us from blowing ourselves up, but he says, she said they're like phantoms. They're different, but they're human. So, and they're doing everything they can to help us. And I thought, well, wow, that's pretty, pretty interesting. I've never, I know there are beings out there that don't have physical bodies, but that's a new one on me. Like she says, yeah, they're like phantoms, but they're here. And they're trying to, uh, you know, I've, I've interviewed, uh, people that have interviewed extraterrestrials and, uh, some of them say they can't interfere with us because it's not, they'll, they'll be, uh, uh, punish or it's, it's not, it's like a non-interference star trek, non-interference thing. They can't interfere with our culture, but there are some, one in particular was said that if you start a nuclear war, we'll stop it, uh, and then we, and they said we can't stop at all, but we'll get 80 or 90% of it. Lucky land slots, asking people, what's the weirdest place you've gotten lucky? Lucky? In line at the deli, I guess? Uh-huh, in my dentist's office. 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I think they have the ability to pretty much stop that, but they're not going to do everything for us, but they're going to make sure we don't. Because when we set off a nuke that doesn't just affect us in the planet, that affects other dimensions and all these other civilizations and races as well. So they're, it's them looking out for themselves. You could make the argument more than anything preventing us from doing a nuclear war or anything like that. Right. Well, there's evidence, there's two nuclear wars in the past because there are places in Africa in Pakistan that are glass. Yeah. The only thing that causes is nuclear blasts. So there have probably been two nuclear wars and they've said we're not going to let that happen again. I'm not going to let the earth be destroyed again. So right. Hopefully. Right. Right. I mean, in the, in the Vedas, they talk, they describe, they describe nuclear, the bots going off. Yeah. And I mean, and the whole Southwest, if you look at it, look at it from an aerial view, it looks like a scar, a battle wound, and, and there's a lot of Chandler, psychics, remote viewers, even at this point that, you know, there was some sort of a nuclear war that happened there. There's a whole theory called meltology. If you follow those groups online where they believe the whole Southwest was melted with nuclear direct energy weapons and there's a lot of evidence of that. If you go to Chaco Canyon and even Sedona and you start really examining the landscape, it seems to that there was some sort of destruction by advanced weaponry as opposed to a natural disaster, in my opinion. But you know, we're just now discovering that type of stuff and there's only theories, but it's interesting to start looking at it through that lens. Yeah. Well, you know, there's probably been, I estimate it's sort of like people 20 to 25 civilizations here before us. I mean, they've, they've found stuff that's, that's, I think that, that thing they found that ball was 3 billion years old and it had, it had been created. So, so in the guy that the boss, the Bosnian pyramid guy had a photograph of a skeleton that scared the hell out of me. I said, if those creatures, I mean, it was like the alien, the thing, you know, the teeth and the thing going down his back, it was the same thing, but it was a real skeleton. And so, so I mean, if those things existed, you know, people think we're the first and only. Well, whatnot, plenty of, plenty of evidence that we're, we're, there are many civilizations here before us. Not that long shot, right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. There is, I think I've seen a replica of the skull of that skeleton you're talking about. Somebody had a conference one time, but I'm going back to the remote viewing. Have you ever looked at Antarctica and, and discovered anything as far as the underground there? No, funny you asked the other people have no, I haven't been asked that and I really, you know, some things, there are a lot of things that are blocked by remote to remote viewers. You just can't penetrate it and same with me. There are some things where I think we're just not supposed to see. And, and so, you know, but yeah, I, you know, if I saw a map yesterday of what, if all the ice was melted on Antarctica, what might be underneath there with all of the cities and stuff that are, that may be there. So it would be really something to see on the miles of ice. And there are, there are extraterrestrials there. You know, Linda Moenhouse talked about it and she really gets, you know, Linda, she proves when she talks about something, she can prove it, she doesn't just talk about it. So that, and there are, there are aliens on the Antarctica that are extremely dangerous to us. They're not our friends at all. You know, I have Linda actually, my friends were not, you know, were not, you know, very close friends. But anyway, she, she went, she, I said, boy, that's, I, she actually went into that base and I didn't. I got close to it. I said, this is something I don't want to get even. This is it. It's close I'm going to get. But it's, it's, it's a, it's a down that hole. It's about two down about two, two miles of ice and they're at the bottom of that hole. And Linda actually went down and she checked it out and she said they came after and they'll do that. I've had people say, you know, those things can come after you and I, so I, that's true. So, but there are, you know, if we have it, we have the awareness of this, we, we as humans have great power, but we have to have the awareness of it. And if we're aware of it, we're, we're protected. I mean, we're, we're some spiritual thing that will protect us. But there's so many stupid people. I mean, really dumb people that I mean, I mean, incredible stupidity. I mean, somebody is some of the things that said to me, I go, you know, I'm going, I'm going, what, what did you say, how, not, you know, so, you know, it's, it's apparent now with all this political stuff that's going on, some of the stupidity is almost beyond belief. Right. So anyway. Yeah. I agree with that. So when you say, Linda, Milton, how went down that hole, you're, I assume you're talking about remote viewing. So she did attempt. Yes. Oh, she's up. She's a better remote viewer than I am. I mean, we, I was, I was, I was, I was with her at a conference one time and she did some stuff that I, it was, it was way beyond me. I mean, a guy, there was a guy there was a testing secret who had remote viewing abilities that held this bag up with a, I don't know, a doll in it or something. I completely missed it, but Linda nailed it a hundred percent. So she's, she's really good. Really? Nice. You're sitting right beside me and I thought, I mean, I, I thought I was pretty, pretty hot remote viewer, but not compared to her, no, I'm not. Right. So your book, you wrote a book called merging dimensions and I'm assuming, you know, that would, that comes from that information's all about the Bradshaw ranch and your experience there. When you, when you say merging dimensions, what exactly do you mean by that? Do you just mean that at, at that merging point is some sort of a portal? Well, that's not Linda Bradshaw. That was her, her idea for Kyle and I, I fully, I, I fully go along. No, it means that the Bradshaw ranch, that was there four and a half years, a couple, two or three times a week and there's, there's, there's, there's our, our, our, our dimension that other dimensions are merging because we, we experienced that on the Bradshaw ranch. There's, there's a portal there. And it's a, there were things when it was opened, there were things, beings that we could smell them and, and Linda could sense them. She could see them quite a bit. I couldn't. I mean, I could smell, I could smell the smells the, like roses or burning tire and sulfur. It was, you know, it was pretty strong and it was, we were out in the middle of, you know, perfectly clean air and we could smell these things. And it, it times it felt like we were, we were in time square with some of the, we have, they were written in the middle of a shuffle of these, these beings that have come through that portal, you know, you know, you know, I used to get attacked over this stuff constantly. And I never do anymore because people want to know, you know, they want to, I quit three times because they got so tired of the attacks, you know, that, that the verbal attacks that I got from everywhere. So, but it's now people want to know they're curious about everything. And I can pretty much, whatever I talk about, I can pretty much prove it, what I'm talking about. When it says, yeah, go ahead. Well, you know, I've been, I've been, I've been, I've been within 50 feet of an alien spacecraft. I've seen about everybody, you know, all these people say, Oh, gee, I wish I could, you see UFOs. I wish I could see what I've never seen on, I've seen about 300, you know, and we, I was, I used to do tours in Sedona, you know, we had, I had a tour company, but our, my tours, my, my, your photos are very popular. And one night me and two women, I have two witnesses, a craft, an alien craft was a quarter of a mile across materialized right in front of us. And what we did was, we said, you know, we saw, we saw these things, flying around, blinking on. And the funny thing is they're always orange. And so I said, let's, let's in our minds ask them to, to, to show up, to blink on for five seconds just so we could, we could see you. So we did, when you, when you materialize for five seconds, and the thing did, it was quarter of a mile across and it was exactly five seconds and it disappeared. And so I've done this before with other, other things, you know, with other witnesses. I mean, I had six people one time had a, we were, we were, and I, I'm still in contact with, with, with Wade, one, one of the guys and his whole family was there. And we, an alien, back then there was a, a, a ye old UFO store in Sedona. And they had, they did tours too. And this craft flew past them and it wanted to be seen. It wanted them to see it. And did anybody have it, you know, get pictures? No, you know, you never have a camera, you know, you know, did you get pictures? No, even if you've got one in hand, you're so stunned by what you're looking at. You can't, you, you know, you, you, like, it's happened to me. I was, yeah, you forget. So anyway, it's a quick, if it's a quick moment, yeah, you don't have to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So, so anyway, yeah. So whenever you saw, sorry, I'm real quick. You said you saw three beings, I believe at the beginning of this episode, you said you saw three entities manifest in front of you or maybe at least one of them did. And you explained that and who you saw them, what race they were. Well, one was human, the girl was human and the other two were, you know about that the tall whites, they don't like us, they don't like us. So anyway, the girl, I had my girlfriend at the time, we were, it was a long story. But at any rate, she was right there, she saw this happen. And we saw a girl, we were hiking, we were way off in the boonies back then and it was been heavy, heavy rain and mud was just thick. And a girl came out of the bushes with a dress in a white wool sweater and red pants, no dog. And even around here, women always have a dog with them, even though there's almost no crime. But so anyway, my girlfriend went over and we were trying to find a trail down to some petroglyphs. So now a petroglyphs, I couldn't find it, even though I've been there a couple of times, the rain had changed everything. So they talked and I didn't hear what they were talking about. So I kind of motioned the girl and she came over and she was basically talking so low that I had put my ear right up to her mouth. And I said, she was dressed in city clothes, I mean, it was city shoes. And I said, you wouldn't happen to know where the trail is down the petroglyphs down there. Do you have any chance? She went over a ten feet from where I was standing and it pointed down. And I went over there and I said, how did she know? But she was right. So we went down, I mean, my girlfriend down, I mean, it was steep, it was like super steep. And the girl didn't have hiking boats on, we had serious lug hiking boats on, so we got down there okay. So my girlfriend, I can't remember her name long, long time ago, but anyway, she was off and the dry creek was roaring like the Colorado river, you know, flood stage. And so I'm looking at her, Petrolino is her name, and so I turned around and it stunned me, the girl was standing this close to me, she had, I'm looking up, there's no way that girl could have walked down there, not in city street shoes. So she leaned forward and I had to put my ear right up to her mouth and she was whispering about the talking very low up about the petroglyphs and stuff that didn't make any sense. So before I could get a chance to ask her, you know, what human could do, what she did? Ghost can't do it. I studied ghost for years. And what she did, no human could do that. And then, so then the girl, she was so close, I had to jump back a little bit. So I turned back to Petrolino and then just for maybe five seconds, I turned her back and she was gone. The girl was, I could see a hundred yards in all directions and the girl was gone. I just wish I had a touch to see if she had a material body. Wow, he was either maybe an ET or something else. Yeah, she was, and then in the other time, I was, believe it or not, I was in a safe way, supermarket, nine o'clock at night. And I was on one show one time and he said, you know, somebody was invisible. Somebody there, I said, you know, I never thought of that. Either I was invisible or they were invisible. It was the shop. It was busy night that night, and I knew that's wheeling by and all that. And the, I went over, I saw them and I went over it. She was white skin, all black. She had black wraparound sunglasses on. And. At night. Yeah, at night and all black, all black, everything was black, shoes, and he was about six foot five. And I was, I want to call him a Nordic, but I don't know, but he had one green eye and one blue eye, right, like a Siberian husky. And so, so, and I'm, I'm standing right beside her and she doesn't look at me. I mean, I'm studying her because I know she was a tall white and tall whites, they, they, they're notoriously earth, human haters. So I'm thinking, Oh, this is pretty, this is pretty interesting. I know. I know what she is. And she was tall. I'm six foot three. And she was as tall as I was. And so, so anyway, the guy comes around the corner, he's about six foot five. Yeah. He's like, Brad Olson. That's right. He was just taller. Brad Olson. Oh, let me know Brad. He was giant. Yeah. So I said, uh, uh, uh, so anyway, the guy kind of smirks, he sees the girl because she's like this. You know, she's looking at the people walking by her with cards and she's just like this. She's terrified and I'm right beside her. So he comes over with kind of a smirk on his face. He takes her by the arm and leads her off and they get, they, there was the, they got a cart. Anyway, I don't know what he got it from. But so they're, they're going down the aisle and, uh, they're, they're taking food. Everybody says, what did they buy? What did they buy? Uh, you know, I want to say, you know, white bread, cheap hamburger and, and, uh, cheap pastries, but I'll be, I'd be joking. But anyway, they, they would take stuff off the shelf and look at it and you could tell they were saying humans actually eat this stuff. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And they, they would take, they take stuff off the shelf and look at it and you could tell what they were saying, humans actually eat this stuff and they put it back and they didn't buy anything. And I, I had to go. So I left and they were still in the store. So, so anyway, that's my, my three experiences with, uh, yeah, that's, that's, that's really, that's really interesting and it doesn't surprise me that you would run into them and it makes me wonder if some of the people I've encountered over the years were actually human and there's a few that I'm thinking about that might not have been, uh, I, I do remember an instance where you said that you encountered maybe a darker group of BTS, but they didn't do anything to you because they were impressed that you could see them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Can you explain that? Yeah. Yeah. I went. Yeah. That's interesting. I haven't thought of that in years. But yeah, I wrote that somewhere. Didn't I? Yeah. I used to be reckless. I mean, I was known for being reckless, I had all these, I have, I have phenomenal psychic abilities. Yeah. So I went looking for the worst of the worst. I want to know what they were like. And so I did. I found them, they were humanoids and people, you know, people will all say, are they killing us eating us? Or wow, I don't know. I don't know. I don't find out. So there's a group of them, I find myself materialized in this group of, they were human And I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking, you know, no, that wouldn't be good. And so that they were, they were, so I kind of said, can I leave? It is Ryan C. Chris here. People always say it's good to unwind, but that's easier said than done. The exception, Champa Casino, they actually make it easier done than said, or at least the same. Champa Casino is an online social casino with hundreds of casino style games like slots and blackjack. Play for fun, play for free for your chance to redeem some serious prizes. Sign up now, collect your free welcome bonus at Champa Casino dot com sponsored by Champa Casino. No purchase necessary VGW group void where prohibited by law, 18 plus terms and conditions apply. I've done stuff like that, I mean, I'm not, I've never been an armchair researcher. I don't, I mean, I go on their turf and I've been in some scary, scary situations. So that's the way, yeah, when you say go on their turf, are you talking about what you manifested in the, into the group of them via remote viewing or did you encounter them on a hike like physically or like, okay, you asked for it. So I'm going to get this one. One time I was at the Bradshaw ranch and I don't know why, but I, I psychically set something with raw. I found where a ATV had driven on the south side of the ranch down in a place where there's no where an ATV could go and on the way down, I found a V in the hillside and it was rock hard dirt, but somebody, it's like something you would build around a tent for a water drain. And I'm looking at that and I said, this is just strange. So I got to the bottom down, there was a sandy bottom and there was the ATV came to a stop and these, it was two guys and they both had size 11 shoes and they were Adidas or something like that because it was, it was short underneath there, both have same side, same shoes. So, so, and there was also this, this other track, you know, it was a human track, but size 12 and it was, I, in fact, I got to know, oh gosh, my, my brain, a famous doctor. I got an argument with him, he mentioned, she agreed with me. You got to do the surgery on, on the foot doctor, anyway, I can't think of it, I know, but then yeah, yeah, he did the surgery on, on Whitley's streamer's ear pull that thing out of his ear. Right. I know. Yeah. He was one of my, he got to be one of my best friends, but anyway, he was, I did a talk in Orange County right in the middle of my talk, he says, Tom, that's what you're talking about, is that anatomically impossible. So I got, we got kind of a friendly argument. I got warned before I went to Orange County, he said, those guys are going to be really tough, brace yourself because they're, you know, and they were Orange County. I was, I did a talk in Hollywood the night before and then went in Orange County. And so, so when you went down on Bradshaw Ranch, when you saw the V that was diverting the water and the footprint and the size 11, so what happened after that? So, so that the, there was a track, a human track, I, I, in it, in it weighed, it sunk this deep into our soil, and I put my boot right next to it, and I just made an indentation. So on the surface, so that, that, that thing had to have weighed at least a thousand pounds. Roger Lear. Roger Lear. Yeah. I just found it. Yeah. So Roger and I, Roger said, Tom, that's an, an atomic, he's an either foot doctor, an atomically impossible. So we got, I got, well, you know, no, it's not because I saw it, I photographed it. And so, so anyway, and I, I had a gun, the only time I've ever brought a gun with it, I have an M1 carbine, it's like, you know, almost like a machine gun. And I had, I took it with me that day and I don't, I really don't know why, but anyway, I found it. See, it didn't now did, did the creature with the, that creature there for us with the, well, the guys there for us, or did they meet? So I, I followed the tracks, this, with a barefoot tracks going away. And, and this scared the bed, bed shivers out of me. I, I got, I, I was following it up with a hill and it, it, it had rained, I guess, you know, early that day or whatever. And I got, I was in thick bushes and, and that there was one track, it was still filling up with water. So I knew that thing was probably in the bushes 10 feet away from me, you know, and, and having a gun with it, wouldn't it, if it, if it jumped me, it would have been all over. So I got out of there real fast, that's, that's when, that's when I'm talking about going on their turf, you know, and, and I've, some of the research around here have found dog men tracks out there now in that, in that area. So in, in, yeah, in what instance did you actually, did they actually let you go because they were impressed that you found them? Well, just, just the one where I went from looking for the worst of the worst. And I never put myself in a position where I'd be, you know, I'd be attacked by him. I'm real good at that, I, I can tell, I don't want to push it any harder or I'm going to get, there's going to be something happen. So I, like, like going on the, on the ships with the aliens, you know, oh, yeah, you know, one time I was at speaking and there was about a hundred people in the room. I said, you guys want to learn how to go on alien spaceships, you know, visit, visit them. And they're going, yeah, yeah. Okay. So, so anyway, I, I said, it's easy. It's really easy. So I taught them how to remove you, you know, you go, you project yourself out in space and it's, you know, don't think it's your imagination because it, it probably isn't. So go out and find that their, their, their ships are all kind of different sizes and whatever. And then ask permission if you can go on the ship. And if you get an okay, it doesn't matter. You know, do it. Check it out. And so, so anyway, the whole audience did that and I'll tell you that the expression is on some of those people's faces was, I, I, you know, they, they were stunned because they really did do it, but I wish that I got, I wish we had a picture of some of the faces of those people that were, you know, their, their eyes were about like this, you know, so but I've, I've never, I've, I'm very, I've always been really careful not to put myself in, in, in danger situation, you know, and, and the new skin orchestra, they, they, they, they ran into, they, they found the, they found the tunnels underneath the Bradshaw ranch. They, they used ground penetrating radar and there is a tunnel, a huge tunnel on, going under the Bradshaw ranch. And their probes got stuck and sent there that they sent out. So there's something really, really fishy going on around and I'm not going to push it. I mean, I'm not, I've met a stage, I can't do it anyway, but that there was something going on around here that's really, you know, I, I, oh, yeah, and, and I know when, when the, when Ross Courthard was here, I said, I'll tell you, but I know, I know of where one of those bases is and it's extremely dangerous. And I can prove it. And I, I told them, you guys go ahead, I'll show you exactly. So they did. And they said, well, we're going to research this because a friend of mine said, it took me up there. He's the counter, counter terrorism expert. And they, the second time they called him once and the second time they called him and that this is quote, you come back here again, we will kill you. So, so I said, I ain't, I ain't going anywhere near that. And so they, they, they looked at it on Google Earth and you wouldn't, you would never know. But I, but I said, look at this. And look at this. Why does this add up and I go, no, it doesn't. Now I see what you mean, but the average person wouldn't, it's, you know, right in plain sight. You're talking about underground base in Sedona. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's, well, it's no, it's not in Sedona. It's, it's about 10 miles away from Sedona. Right. So. Yeah. It's, I, he took me up there. He showed me all this stuff. He says, he, and I'm, well, well, what's the big deal? He said, well, take a look at that. And I go, oh, holy smokes. So then, then he got a call one day and you know, I, I never saw him again. So you know, he got a call, he said, you come back again and we will kill you. And he said, it's, it's an American base. It's a, it's a US base, but it's a, he said, he thinks it's an a rail, a railroad, which is possible. Because why, why the railroads, the locomotive engine sounds under, under enchantment resort. And I, I would estimate the, there are five, I don't like to call basis underground install, install, install, install installations and two off duty police, active duty police got into one of those bases. And that's, that's what they were doing. The research here, they, they were doing, but it was a hundred and five year, he day. And it's, it's, it's not the time I was up there was a hundred and five degrees to, and that's, it's brooding, but they were, they were, they were using ground penetrating beta because metal detectors won't work. But anyway, these two police off duty police got into one of those bases and, and they found a open manhole, like a manhole cover, the ladder going down. So they went down there. And I know almost exactly where it is. And that's, that's where they went, they spent some time up there with ground penetrating radar. And it's hard to get to it. I'm not in a shape to think like that anymore. But the two police, I had a friend that was an XCIA agent, he, he's the one that, that was his territory. So him, him and a, and a girl and a Claudia Sanderson and, and so that was their territory. So he interviewed those two cops, XCIA and he was XCIA. And they, they said, well, we've got down there and there were tunnels going everywhere. So they walked away and suddenly there was a military swarming out of the, out of the tunnels towards them with machine guns. They all had US military uniforms on with no, no insignia on them. They said, well, you guys turn around, go back the way you came in and, and forget what you saw and, and don't ever talk about it. So, so I understand that's happened. I mean, you know, I'm not making that up. Yeah. So, you know, I don't think that you are. We fully understand that these, these bases exist, you know, we've done our own deep dives and webinars on the deep underground military bases or installations. And they are very insignificant sometimes as far as on the surface, you, you may not know that there's anything there and there's only a couple, there's only several clues, right? And indicators that there will be something below. So one last thing, I'm going to shift gears just slightly because part of the reason we're here today is we recently interviewed Zaysan, who is apparently a friend of yours. And he has an incredible testimony and, and he was the one who finally got us in contact with you, and I know just from reading his books that you have removed, viewed his case and, and have deemed it to be credible. Can you, can you explain what you saw when you did that? You know, these credibility is, is, he's, he's, he had the team now that they've saved the lives of 3,200 slave girls in, in, in pedophiles. And I, I think he's been shot three, I think he said three times. I know he'd been shot on the shoulder, but I, I don't question anything. Some of the things that Zay, I, I'm a little bit, you know, gone, hmm, well, did, I don't know what that, but I, I don't, I will never question him because his, his credibility is so, so, you know, indisputable. So any, yeah, Zay is a very, very, very, very interesting guy. And yes, I did, I, I, I, I actually contacted the captain of that ship that he, he visits all the time. And I got a conversation with him. So I was trying to, I was trying to prove that Zay was making the whole thing out, you know, fiction. And so, I mean, that's the way I am, you know, and, because I wanted to know, I said, you know, Zay, you got to have some kind of proof for this. So there was nobody's going to believe it's just going to be fiction. So anyway, I did make contact with the captain and I asked the captain all kinds of questions. And I said, Zay, does this sound like what you experience? And he said, yes. And I said, you know, there's a forest on that ship. He said, yes. Oh yeah. And he told me stuff, stuff. So anyway, I, I'm a, I'm a complete believer in all he, that he talked about, yeah, I proved it to myself. Yeah. I didn't realize he did that, but I agree, you know, when you read certain stuff, you know, your body, I guess it's kind of like remote viewing, like, no one can lie to you anymore, right? Because you can just sense it. So, so I feel that way about when I read material, sometimes I can just, there's an energy signature behind it that I can't explain, but my body knows. And there's no, there's no way I can prove that. But in my, in my personal feeling and opinion, and is that he's being sincere and genuine about his, his, uh, experience. So on top of the fact that he's not, he's hardly, he's hardly done any shows. He's not putting himself out there. He's not, he's clearly not doing this for money or popularity or fame. Like he, there's no, I mean, he's just wrote a bunch of books because he wants to document the story and put it out for whoever wants, whoever's interested, but that's it. It's like we, the only reason we found him is because we're friends with Niara Eisley, who, uh, who, and we love Niara, she's amazing. And she, she was talking to, she's like, you guys got to have Zay saying on your show, he's amazing. And that's how we found him. Otherwise we, we had never heard of him or his story, you know, he's, he's not doing this for that reason clearly. Yeah. Well, you know, my opinion is integrity is indisputable. That's, that's kind of where I'm at with it. So I, I just, I just leave it. Uh, so it's, uh, you know, yeah, he's a good, he's a good guy, a good guy. Yeah. Absolutely. And, uh, you know, thanks to him. We're here today doing this interview, which has been fantastic. And thank you for joining us. Would you like to let our audience know where they can find you, how they can get your books and all that? Um, you know, I'm, uh, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, uh, pretty much a, a reclusive now. I, I, uh, I, you know, I used to get. 50 emails a day and that sort of thing. So I, I'm just, uh, uh, a reclusive about hermit now, but, uh, but, uh, I'm, uh, my book, my books are doing good. They're being reprinted. But yeah, this is, this is the one urging dimension. So yeah. Yeah. This is, this is my, uh, but no, no, the, the reason, I mean, Facebook, Facebook, you know, somebody really wants to get in touch with me, uh, Facebook, my Facebook wall paid my page. But otherwise in that, uh, I'm, I'm really not available. I'm not like some of these guys. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I didn't mean personally available. I just meant how can people find like research you. I know you have your website, Tom dongo.com. I'm all over the internet. So just, just type my name in Tom dong, all this, all kinds of stuff will come up. Yeah. I've seen your name pop up all over the place for years, you know, it's a, and, but I didn't really check you out too much until just a few years ago. And then I was like, wow, you've done amazing work and you've been a long, a long time. I had no idea. Yeah. And, uh, I'm glad we finally really get you on the show. So thank you so much. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My pleasure. Yeah. This has been absolutely great. And, uh, yeah. Keep it up. I know you've been quiet. You've been at this for quite some time and you know, you're ready to hang it up and just be a recluse, but any, every interview you do still helps and people are still learning and there's new people waking up every day. So none of it was a waste and we appreciate all the hard work you've put in because, uh, you know, people like you paved the way for people like us and we, we'll be forever grateful for that. So, uh, again, thank you. Thank you. 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