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EP 178 - John W. Warner IV - Hidden History - UFOs - Space Programs - Cover Ups - Advanced Tech

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John W. Warner IV
https://www.johnwwarnerivauthor.com
I'm an author and historian with a passion for hidden history, revisionist historical narratives, vintage cars, and the unsung heroes of WWII. All profits from my books go to wounded veteran charities.
I have been a skeptic about historical records, including textbooks, for over thirty years––a perspective that's been well-honed. My father, 5-term US Senator John W. Warner III (R-VA), was also Secretary of the Navy and Chairman of the Armed Services Committee (KBE) during the Vietnam War. My mother, Catherine Mellon, daughter of philanthropist Paul Mellon (OSS, KBE), was an activist who protested that war. She taught me to question authority, think independently, and speak my mind.
Thanks to my family and my own dogged persistence, I have been behind the scenes with some of the most powerful and influential people in U.S. and global history. In my historical novels, Little Anton and the forthcoming sequel, Lion, Tiger, Bear (Sept. 1), I disclose the shocking hidden history possibilities of advanced technology and the covert schemes of the Fascist power elite.
When I'm not doing research, I'm also a true "gear head," having spent most of my adult life quenching a thirst for knowledge about race cars––first as a professional Grand Am and American Le Mans Series racing driver (a "middle of the pack man" behind the wheel of a Corvette GT1 and a Porsche GT3R), and later researching the history of the sport for my NASCAR DVD series and my Little Anton book series. In fact, I started writing during a two-year-long recovery from a racing accident. My long recovery gave me time to go deep into research. That research continues and is bringing forth some pretty astonishing and disturbing truths, which I post regularly on my website.

Duration:: 1h 59m
Broadcast on:: 17 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Hey guys, welcome back. A few announcements before we get started. There are tickets still available for our Secret Space Conference. That link is below in the chat. And last episode, I mentioned that there was no on-site lodging available, but there was camping available. That is true. But there are, I forgot to mention, there are plenty of Airbnb's and hotels available nearby if you're looking to, if you're still looking to come. Still plenty of tickets available. And if you can't make it, grab a live stream ticket. That's going to be a lot of fun. We're getting excited. It's right around the corner. Just a little over a month away. So yeah, we hope to see you guys all there. Tonight, we are joined by John W. Warner IV. He's author, historian, researcher, and his father was Senator John Warner III, who was the secretary to Navy and his mother was Catherine Mellon of the Mellon banking family of Pittsburgh. I guess I'll turn it over to you, John, let you explain what you explained that. My cousin, Chris Mellon. We are, you know, we were friends, but we've had a bit of a falling out, especially after my Twitter adventure. But he, he worked for, you know, the CIA and the DIA, probably still does. Because you never leave those positions. My wife is a CIA. I know a lot about it. I have a lot of friends in the office of naval intelligence friends of my father, you know, but Chris, you know, he and Lou Elizondo have been on the forefront of this UAP office and UAP task force. You know, they were doing the two of the stars Academy, which is a goofy CIA science. He kind of agreed, but, you know, it. I'm just, as I've said another interview, you know, I found myself. 25 years ago at sort of a nexus of things. Doing family research, you know, the military historian. I spent a lot of time with my dad traveling the world. And so I finally started to realize that my family was very much involved in the national security state since World War II and maybe before. And also because of the financial banking. They were really involved in, you know, what you would call the deep state of before World War II. But it's a very complex long story. I don't know how much you want to get into it, but Chris and I've had, you know, exchange some shells, you know, long distance. Naval shells on Twitter and things like that. I've left because Twitter is a shit show and most people just want to be entertained. It's not really a good forum for information. And of course, you know, there's a lot of troubles and very nasty people out there who are probably on the payroll. So, how did your cousin take it when you told him about two stars and being a sci-op? I mean, you say he kind of agreed, but how did he end up in that position and what was going on there? Well, we had seen each other years ago at a family reunion and his brother had passed away. We saw each other at a funeral. We actually went to camp together in 1973 when we were boys. But he and I had a long discussion at my farm. And I said, I really want to help you, because I know a lot about a disclosure. You know, I told them the story. I showed the MJ 12 files to my dad in 1993. And when I was 31, and after a few months of back and forth, I got my dad to crack on it. You know, basically admitting that he knew, you know, he was read in on a portion of the UFO file. He was chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and he sat on the Select Intelligence Committee for many years. And of course, he worked with the Navy and Marines closely, and I've known a lot of these admirals and people that, you know, we've traveled the world with over the years. And I met Bobby Rayinman and all of them. And, you know, I always had UFOs on the mind as a younger man. And they all, the Navy all seemed very excited. Bobby Rayinman, you know, in the 90s. He was like, we're hopeful that in the early 2000s with a regime change will have some disclosure and the Navy can let out some of its high technology. Well, we got 9/11 instead. Right. Yeah. You know, it seems like every year they try to do something. But Chris and I are at odds because what he and Elisondo are doing is a very scripted, very weak narrative, you know, they're pushing the UAP thing, which is a distraction from the term UFO. Yeah. And I said, look, man, you know, this is bullshit, you know, even if 10% of the wild stuff he see called it is true. It's horrifying and mind blowing. And, you know, we talked about med back technologies and things that the military wanted to let out to the public, you know, all of our, a lot of our technology is said to be back engineered laptops, ballistic glass, cling wrap, fiber optics, micro chips, you know, down the line, and your cell phone has more technology in it than right than anything. It's incredible. And of course, a lot of it's spyware. But no, we didn't get anywhere with each other. And I finally, Stephen Greer, who was a longtime friend called me up and says, listen, you want to be on my new documentary, you know, Chris and Lou aren't doing shit. And I said, yeah, they're pushing the conversation sideways. They're deluding the narrative. You got it. And so I agreed to be on the cause. I think it's called the cosmic hoax. Yeah. Actually, it was, I just watched Joe just telling Tyler that before the show. And I saw you on there. He was like, Oh, nice. Yeah. I mean, my dad urged me to come forward in his later years. He couldn't tell me a lot of things verbatim. He took his natural security on very seriously. And I said, I understand that, but, you know, this is getting to be very disturbing and serious. And what he would do is he, when I traveled with him and otherwise on Capitol Hill, he showed me how the deep state operates banking military. I mean, he showed it to me. He's like, you know, when I, when I grilled him in 2002. I said, look, something hit the Pentagon and ain't damn plain German pilot. There's the debris field is insufficient. Where's the luggage where the bodies were the jet engines and the wing indentations. And he got very upset. He says, that's the one thing I won't talk about you. Really saying to me is, yes, Tom, a call can make the missile hit it. Go figure it out on your own. I can talk about it. But yeah, other things he would talk about. I don't know if it was the first time in the years, but it was the MJ 12 files. You know, I was pretty naive when I was 31. But once we had that out in the open, then I started the Pandora's box just opened. And I started researching everything. You know, it's, I was a racing driver at the time, but you know, I would read everything and research between my schedule. So going back to, you said you were friends with Stephen Greer. I know when there's a lot of controversy around him himself as far as he only claims that there's only, there are no negative ET's. Right. And do you agree with that? No. He and I have had many conversations and I can't get him. I said, look, man, yin and yang, duality, the universe is based up, you know, but yeah, somehow he has fixated somebody told him, made a line of bullshit. I said, come on, you know, I agree with you. It's mostly benevolent. Some are. But come on, our whole history has been influenced by E. T's, you know, going back millions of years. I mean, it's, there's just no doubt that, you know, in everything. There's, you know, polarity. And if you study metaphysics and the occult, and I write about it in my books, you know, it's, you need both sides or cannot be light without the dark. Exactly. In the Iroquois nation, there were seven chiefs of war and seven chiefs of peace. I think they were Anunnaki. And he said, you have to have that balance. Of course, you know, I think Alex Collier said it best, you know, the Andromeda is told me, you know, Earth is the darkest place in the universe. Waddle canal and, you know, the Holocaust all wrapped into one, you know. That's why everyone's taking a big interest because this could go way south, the whole human experiment guy at the mother earth, the environment. But, you know, there's a lot of people living on this planet that we can't see or most of us can't see. And, you know, I don't understand why certain ET groups and everyone, we can't do more and interact more on a public scale, but somehow, you know, it's always private groups that seem to get the, you know, contact points. Right. I remember you said in one interview, you saw a military document that said that we were US military was working with the saurians, which would be, I guess, the type of reptilian. Yes, William Tomkins references it in his book. And a few of my Navy contacts sent me through the email a document. He said, what, what do you make of this? And I said, well, I'm not sure. There's lots of talk about, you know, reptilian races, you know, for every insect birdfish reptile on earth, there's supposedly a bipedal, you know, intelligent version. You know, analog out in the universe, it's not a big deal, you know, the lion headed people of Egypt and, you know, the sign of fail us of the Middle Ages, the dog headed men, I mean, it's something big is going on, and, you know, I'm a historian. And, you know, that's where I sort of got into all this was all the holes in history. And when you start digging into the esoteric stuff you're like, okay, now I know why they left it out. So, but yeah, I'm not sure why Greer takes that line. But, you know, as you know, with the super soldiers and I talked to one or two of them privately. You know, we've got a lot of horrendous issues to deal with. And the problem with the disclosure movement is, you know, I tell people this, you know, 35 years ago when I was starting in the early 90s, I'd been a UFO fan of my whole life Star Trek fan. And I always said, Hey, it's coming Star Trek. All my friends like you're an idiot. And then in 2017 when they came out, Warner's not so it's an idiot after all, you know, all my Harvard friends with their PhDs. They're all idiots, sadly, ignorant. Yeah, 35 years ago, Stephen Greer, Stephen Bassett, Dolan, Linimo, and how you name it. They were considered the cutting edge fringe, the wack jokes. And now they're the old guard conservatives. Yep. You know, and it's like, everyone's like, Oh, that's a secret space program narrative. You know, everyone has ruined that and then there's, you know, everyone demonizes it. Oh, are you a blue chicken fan or something. I've seen this before. It's older folks who have seen it. It's like project blue book. And in the 80s they were saying, Oh, you're the Roswell crazies. They called them. Yeah, no, they didn't crash. And it was just a weather balloon and on Air Force jet. You know, and I've seen all this before. And same thing with Chris Miller and Lou Elizondo and the UAP initiative with Senator Gillibrand Rubio. A bunch of dumb senators. I will add that. I mean, my dad, they're all bought and paid for. He told me we agreed on that. That's why you align himself with the Navy and the Marines. But man, these guys are just pathetic. Well, well, I mean, that's part of the reason that we're even doing our conference based around a secret space program because I see exactly that they're really cool and the people are mocking it. We're trying to, we're trying to take it seriously because it, to me, I mean, it's real. Let's face it. We have plenty of evidence going all the way back since the beginning of the space race. I mean, they were doing things behind the scenes. And obviously they were developing out some sort of secret programs back then and they, who knows what they blossomed into today. And now we have whistleblowers coming out talking about this stuff and I'm sorry, like, it's just, you can't ignore it at some point. You can't ignore all that exactly. No, and the thing is, with me, I can come to it from a slightly different angle than most. I haven't grown up here in DC with my dad and my family. Shit. I mean, the melons have been in national security. They've been in military intelligence in droves. We're a very small banking family. There's about 130 of us. Well, we've had, I've been told by Navy people, shit, the melons, they come up in the meetings. My wife said that the melons came up in meetings with the CIA. My uncle Tim Mellon ran a Pan Am systems railroad. Yeah, they, he hauled cargo to the CIA. He bragged about it. America, we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. By honoring your sacred vocation of nursing, you impact your family, your friends, and your community. At Grand Canyon University, our online RN to BSN, MSN, or DNP degree programs allow you to balance online coursework with local in-person clinical, practicum, or immersion hours. Find your purpose at GCU, private, Christian, affordable. Visit GCU.edu. You know, what, spare UFO parts, you know, legal weapons? I don't know. So, I mean, my family's deep in it. My grandfather Paul Mellon was O.S.S. in World War II. And he was involved in Project Paperclip with Allen Dulles, because Allen Dulles, station chief in Switzerland, and they knew each other before the war. My grandfather knew Wild Bill Donovan, who ran the O.S.S. He knew Patton because he, he fox hunted with them out in Middleburg, Virginia, which is 60 miles that way. And, you know, I grew up out there as well on the weekends with my dad. And, you know, my grandfather told me all kinds of a lot of stories about that. You know, he told me there were over 5000 German scientists, assistants, you know, not this pathetic 1100 were told. You know, when I started piecing this stuff together and it became very disturbing, very quick for me, I'm not proud of my family history. I'm not proud of it at all, but it is what it is. And that's why I come forward, you know, like I said, my dad and my wife, we discussed it. And before my dad died in June, you know, he said, you know, I trust your judgment, you need to go forward, because your cousin Chris is not telling the full truth. And he was, you know, he understood national security and, you know, they have a point, you know, people, some people might panic, but it's the religious people I think they're afraid of. Someone said, yeah, the ETS are very worried that people will commit suicide on mass. And so that got my attention because, you know, I'd rather just blow the whole damn thing open all at once, but that will cause some paradoxes and some suicide deaths. I mean, most people just their hard floor reality will be gone in a second. That's huge traumatic. I've had all my life to come to terms with that, but a lot of people overnight. It's probably not a good idea. Like the three of us would be absolutely like bringing on. Yeah. Yeah. But when you look at the majority of people and the false kind of reality, most people have as their foundation. It's that would almost be like too, too fast, too traumatic. And you're right. I think it could lead to unfortunately that and just mass chaos in general. And that's what it seems like, even the good guys like the Alliance understand that and they're trying to avoid that. So they're trying to push as hard as they can. But at the same time, be careful to not crack things open too fast and too much at once. But again, it's like people like us that we're like, let's just rip the band-aid off already like, good Lord. Let's just do this. You know, it's like we're getting tired of waiting. But I think there needs to be a certain level of awakening on the public scale. First, and that's what we see happening. I just hope that continues to happen and without letting the deep states, because they're still trying to fulfill their agendas, clearly and steer us in that direction. So we'll see how things play out, you know, well, you know, there's a couple of things I wanted to mention in this interview and they're probably not going to be popular with some people. But I've had, you know, I have enough years under my belt with this issue to notice trends. And while I'm all for, you know, I know a lot about the occult, I write about it. And my character's a woman, she embodies the divine feminine and all that, but she's a warrior as well. A light warrior, but also a warrior in World War II spy pilot and her gang. But one thing I see that is, and I'm not the only one, there are so few people out there. It's not a popular thing to say, but I say it anyway, because I'm controversial myself. You know, Illuminati asshole, fine, you know, Illuminati just means aluminum. So everyone there's closure movements and Illuminati, but they, they throw it as this catch all term. Trust me, a lot of rich people are damn stupid. Trust me on that, at the Yacht Club, we're like, can we play golf or tennis? I don't know. Let's have a martini. And that's it. Yeah, very low consciousness level. Yeah, it's not just, you know, you don't have to be blue call or middle class to be in the disclosure movement. No, no, you know, I've talked to some people, but they're scared to. The very few ones I know that are in the wealthy class, you know, committee of 300 families, you know, they're like, well, I know there's something happening, but I don't want to get involved. They're scared shitless. Oh, yeah. But the thing I wanted to touch on is, while I definitely agree with, we should all raise our vibration consciousness and everything. There's 10,000 attractive women on YouTube and the internet saying, Oh, I'll help you with Ascension and, you know, just put this crystal in your ear and just go of stress and all this stuff, which is good advice. But, you know, if you really look at the shamans and I've studied Sufi, the whirling dervishes and everything. It's a hard road. It's not this sit down with a crystal and meditate a little bit and let everything go. It takes a lot of work. And so there's more down to earth than that. Yeah, I try. But there's this clear agenda, I believe, and I'm not the only one. I think Mark Passeo and a few others. Awesome. It's popular, but I think there's an agenda out there to emphasize only the positive and not do the shadow work, which is the darkness. You can't ignore 50% of the equation. Yeah. And boy, you know, I would see hate mail on Twitter and whatever for that. A few people agree with me, but most of it's like, Oh, you're a hater, you know, you don't know what you're talking about. Trust me, you know, my grandmother Mary melon was a mystic. She knew Carl Jung and Guruji and all those people. She advised my grandfather to join the OSS because they wanted mystics. They were up against the Nazi SS. You know, Walter Gerlach and the drill society, tool of society, and all their mystics channeling information is like shit. And now I find out the Americans were doing so, but on a much smaller scale with FDR in the 30s. Anyway, so that's issue one. I think there's way too much emphasis. Not that you need to overemphasize the negative stuff. But God damn it, you got to, you can't ignore that. You got to acknowledge it and you got to deal with it. Oh, yeah, they're like, Oh, the SSP people, they're crazy. And it's like, well, 35 years ago, they were calling everyone else crazy. But they don't remember that. And a lot of no offense, but a lot of young people come to this and they're like, Oh, I've read three books. I know everything. I watched all the videos. And it's like, no, you've had life experience. Well, that's like some of the best masters have lived the darkest lives because you can't gain wisdom without experience. So going through it, like the people who've lived a tough life, I have a lot of respect for, and the people who've had dark past, you know, some of those are going to be your best healers and teachers because, you know, they've been there, they've done that. And that message you just said, that's what we from push on this show anyway, we don't push it, but we were constantly talking about that you can't just love and light your way out of this stuff, you know, you have to deal with it. No, we got to do it by passing. I've had a very privileged life. But you know, I've dealt with mental illness in my family. I've dealt with depression and chronic pain. You know, and I've been through the dark night of the soul two or three times in my life, where, you know, fuck it, I don't even want to live and say what you want. I mean, money's not going to insulate you from the darkness. I've met a lot of dark people and, you know, preeminent among them was when my dad had his. Submarine named after him in 2007. I went to the Oval Office with my wife and shiny and rumsfeld and Bush were there. And man, that was just, it was so much darkness, even my ex wife was not into any of this. She was like, wow, I got a server down my spine and these guys were cold. And you could almost sense their the darkness within them. You know, and my dad was kind of a naive guy. He didn't understand anything that we're talking about. He understood a little bit about UFOs, what the Navy was doing. And, you know, that side of it, but he's not a metaphysical sort. But my mother was, and her mother was my mother was a hippie and a mystic. I mean, she read philosophy and said, you need to read philosophy. I was like, oh, no. All I missed in his old cars and race cars, but, you know, in the last 20 years I played catch up. I'm trying to think of a second issue that I wanted to bring up. Well, I'll remember it at some point while you're thinking of that. So, just, this is a question I just just now popped in my head. So, what, so what did you see that made you realize that the secret space program is a reality. But what did you come across. It was a long process. I mean, I'm very much a nuts and bolts guy. I mean, I have my creative, I'm creative, I'm an artist and writer. But all through my life. Going back to when my dad was Secretary of the Navy. And I tell the story a lot, but I'd always picked in his top secret briefings. And he was involved in Operation Deep Freeze. And this week I found out in Wikipedia of all places, he was involved with the underwater National Reconnaissance Office. You can look it up. But that was a part of the Navy he was a part of. And I said, one night we were walking along in the winter and he was had a few drinks. And I said, I was 14. And I was like, I'm going to hit him up. And I said, come on, what can you tell me about Operation Deep Freeze. Why do we have stuff down there? And he's like, well, the Russians have missile silos and sub bases. We've got to have our missile silos and sub bases. And I said, okay, and, you know, what, all the way down there. Why? He didn't tell me why, but he looked up the night. I had beautiful stars. He pointed up. He said space operations. And that was the end of the conversation. Now that was 1976. Now fast forward to the majestic 12 files in 1993. I'm like, Oh, shit. It's Antarctica have to do with this. And he got very agitated. And he told me, listen, don't go down that road. You're going to run up against national security protocols. They're going to, you know, people think you're crazy. Don't don't do it. He's trying to protect me. And I said, well, you know, I'm going to do it anyway. So throughout the 90s, you know, the Navy was always given the forefront of going back to World War II. The Navy was given the lion's share of crashed UFO technology, because they had been dealing with it the most out at sea. And if you read my book Lion Tiger Bear. I have a chapter with FDR and General Marshall and Churchill in it. And they had to discuss this at this meeting is real. And they all were Freemasons and they were all read into, you know, how the world kind of works and Atlantis, you know, Steiner and all that stuff. The Egyptian Mystery School information. But they knew. And apparently there had been crashes of E. T spacecraft going back to the 1880s. They were separate from the airship mysteries of the 1890s, but real crashes. And, and I wrote it in the book I'm running now I expand on it, but they found intact. They crashed stuff. They found them intact. They're just floating above the ground. They can't even get inside. You know, they're in a warehouse somewhere. They found all kinds of stuff. But you know Tesla was working with FDR, we now know in the 30s on multiple, you know, invisibility, you know, the Philadelphia experiment, which was, you know, train a hyper dimensional travel. But they didn't have psychic navigators. That was their problem. You need that to filter. You need to navigate. Yeah. Penny Bradley. Penny Bradley talked about that. Yeah. Exactly. I know Penny. She's great. And so I write that. The thing is, we've always been dealing with technology that's way above our pay grade spiritually and mentally intellectually. But America had to, because the Germans have been doing it since God knows when. I mean, they. Yeah. They had understood the Vedic texts, he and the Lords of the Black Stone before, then the real society and, you know, and so they were way ahead. And I write it this way in my new book. I mean, it just, we had to play catch up. Even though. There's a story that a Navy friend sent to me. I don't know if it's true, but I'm going to tell it to you anyway. Everyone knows the Philadelphia experiment story. High voltage, she towns in Brown did the main mass with the emitters. Physicist John von Neumann. I think the vice. The very end brothers and then of our Bush and the MIT rad lab, John G. Trump. They were all involved. Anyway, it went south. They didn't know what they're doing. Like I said, a lack of a psychic navigator in the Navy. No, they're like, Oh, fuck that. You know, just flip the switch and see what happens. Yeah. But a Navy friend sent me a message and he said, I don't know if this is true or not, but given the Eldridge story, the USS Eldridge. Maybe. And a dark journalist does a stand your list does a great job of. He's reaching together the Atlanta story with the Bermuda triangle and the US military and everything. And he's done a great job with it. But my friend sent me, he said, there was this Navy crane ship and a crane ship is this big beanie ship with a giant crane. It's for salvage operations. Now, the story goes that in 1936, this ship, and I think with some other Navy ships were on a, you know, a salvage mission, you know, officially, but unofficially they were looking for pieces of Atlantis. Technology and what it was with these crystal structures. I think I don't know if it has to do with the two I stone or not, but this is down near Barbados and St Lucia, down near South America, supposedly. Well, anyway, the ship was equipped with powerful electromagnets and radios radio emitters. And I'm not sure who was involved, but, you know, probably Tesla is my guess maybe he was on board. Anyway, they, they found this structure, they sent down a Navy diving bell and maybe some divers on the hose line, and they found this one structure, and they, you know, Tesla probably knew to activate it with this electromagnets. Well, it came on. And, you know, like the Bermuda triangle portal opened in this ship went either into the past or the future. No one's quite sure. And what they came back with no one knows. But the ship's name was the USS Kearsarge, K-E-A-R-S-A-R-G-E. And I found one picture of this crane ship, it's nothing, nothing sexy about it. And, but then fast forward. In 1980 my dad said I was in high school, and he said, come to me to this movie, it's a Navy movie, it's a science fiction, it's right up your, you know, your alley. And I said, sure. Anyway, it was a Kirk Douglas movie called The Final Countdown. And they had full cooperation of the US Navy carriers, F-14s flying off the plane. The story was they went back in time through this portal, giant portal, and they were going to stop the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, didn't happen, but that was the story. And I thought this is strange. And we went to the premiere, and the place was filled with Navy brass and admirals. And Kirk Douglas was there, and I'm 18, and I'm like, wow, this is cool. But an admiral sat behind us, and he patted my dad on the back. And he said, Senator, you know, with your cooperation, you know, we now we got our recruitment film. And they were all excited. Now the movie didn't do well, it wasn't that great. I thought it was kind of weird, you know, Navy in time travel. I couldn't figure out why they were cooperating. But remember in 1980, we were just about to get Reagan in office. I think the US Navy and Reagan were perhaps getting ready to disclose some of those stories about Navy and portals and the Bermuda Triangle and time travel. But instead, I think George Bush senior probably put the kabosh on that because as Vice President, he was really the power behind the White House. He was an asshole. I met him. And we took it back. But I find those two stories very interesting. And this week, this past week, I was talking with my wife and I was like, this is so weird. You know, I went to this premiere and it was this weird film about a Navy carrier going through, you know, I think it was the Nimitz. And, you know, if you read back into FDR's notes, I think on majestic documents website, I've talked to Dr. Bob Wood about this, you know, FDR called UFO celestial devices. Well, the Navy, these things have been popping out of the ocean, the Japanese were firing on the Foo Fighters, they called them. And so we're way and there's a document that said, you know, the Navy needs to crane these saucers out of the water, bring them back to San Diego Navy base. And give them to Admiral Rico Bota and the Douglas Aircraft Company. So I read William Tonkin's book and I said, shit. This is like the stories I've been chatting with with my Navy friends and the on my own eye friends for decades. And my dad and I did a FOIA request on Admiral Rico Bota. He was an Australian born. The story goes in the book, you know, he wasn't programmed by the American educational system. Yeah. Well, for stall and I think the Secretary of Defense and FDR, you know, they said, we can trust this guy, you know, put him in charge of all the spooky stuff in San Diego. Well, my dad and I did a FOIA request on the only reason we have one picture of Bota is because there's a naval aviation tribute website. And there's a picture of him and said, thank gosh for Admiral Bota or our Navy fighter wing wouldn't have existed because he was a naval aviator. And my dad said, don't worry. I got still got a clearance. I'll call it up. And we did two FOIA requests with a Navy and everything. We got one page. Yeah. And it's the same thing that was on the Internet. And I said, this guy's scrubbed from history and my dad was furious. Oh, yeah. He called up somebody in the Navy department. He said, I'm looking at a picture of Bota. Here's his fighter wing. Why can't? Oh, we lost those records in a fire. Of course I did. Yeah. Sounds very familiar. And the other thing about William Tonkin's book, and this is what I'm, you know, there's a picture of him with some of the admirals. And I showed it to my aunt and my friend who was a Navy captain retired. And he said, well, I don't know about this book and all this stuff about Nordics and reptilians and, you know, Navy space fleet, but two of those admirals are, I know them. And they're real stand up guys and they would not be involved with this bullshit. If it wasn't real. And it freaked my friend out completely. I mean, he's a 25 year Navy veteran and on. Oh, and I. Yeah. So I'm piecing all this shit together. And I'm like, okay, this is way too close to home. My grandfather's involved in project paperclip, you know, yada, yada, the melons, Christ, Chris melons all over the news and the newspapers. Every time he farts, a lying sack of shit, he's a US Army counterintelligence operative. My name, a friend told me, stay away from Lou. He's an in country guy that interrogates people. I said, I have no reason to get anywhere near that guy. Well, and of course, of course he's the face of the, the, you know, DOD disclosure and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. UAP office. Right. So going for a few things going back to that film, you said that you call it our recruitment film, a Navy recruitment. Well, the Admiral said, and I thought it was really weird because I'm like, why would I join the Navy if they have a science fiction film on time travel. And then I was like, oh shit. Well, that's key. I mean, that's huge. Yeah. I mean, I've tried to find pictures. It was at the Uptown Theater in DC. You can find that out. That's true. I mean, my dad was Senator at the time in 1980. He was former Secretary of Navy and there's no doubt he would be invited. And he invited me Kirk Douglas was there. You can, you know, it's not a tall type of sea tail sounds like it, but it's not the movie is not very good, but in conjunction with William Tonkin's books and the stories and the USS Eldridge and the large story about 1936. If that's true, then the Navy have been dealing with time travel technology since 1936. Definitely. Yep. That's a game changer to me. There's no way I could prove that, but that's the story I got. And it seemed to really disturb my friend. He was like, you know, I, the elder story is weird enough with this one. People get over the, you know, the shock of time travel. It's like, I think they just use it every single day. And it's not a deal. I think artificial or natural. It's like every day, whole harm shit. Well, if you have time travel. I mean, you have to imagine if let's just pretend 1936 was in fact when they started using this, you know, 2022. It was a mistake. They didn't know what was going to happen. You know, you know, the Navy. I mean, the American military is like, what's this do when they flip the switch. You know, that's how I had a portal opens up to, you know, and so, you know, that's just the way they are. Right. I mean, I love the Navy and the military, but they, you know, the top 10% and the black hats and the unacknowled programs, you know, fuck them. Yeah, but they've been in charge and they've been reckless with people's lives. Understanding the war, they had to take risks in the Philadelphia experiment, but it's still, it's shocking. And of course we have all these horror stories from, you know, veterans from the secrets based program. Right. Well, so. Exactly. Going back to your, you were talking about the Navy retrieving wreckages from the ocean. Now, there was a program I learned about in the John Lear report called Operation Moon Dust, which was the, I can tell by your smile, you know about that. You know, they were using the public, the official story was the Operation Moon Dust was retrieving debris from the space shovels missions. Well, they were using the glomer explorer. Remember the Howard Hughes ship that was designed to lift a sober Soviet submarine off the bottom of the ocean. Okay. My dad was involved in that when he was secretary of the Navy low and behold. That was, yes, they tried to lift a Soviet submarine, there's some footage of it. Guess what else they were looking for the sea floor. Right, you're all ties in. Right. Yeah, of course, I just I was, I've, you know, I read about Operation Moon Dust, but I hadn't really heard of any information about these materials until you just told that story. But it would make sense why, because if people were to see all this activity out there, they would have to have a public reason for being out there like oh, there's some space debris from whatever, you know, yeah, always have a cover. Yeah, I think the Navy, my personal view, and I wrote this into my book Lion Tiger Bear. They had been sending diving bells and divers down, probably in the Caribbean or elsewhere all around the world, since probably the 20s looking for pieces of Atlantis or craft spacecraft or anything unusual, how they would find that I'm not sure. And then given that the Keir Sarge if that story is true, it was down there with a task force, and they knew where to look. And they knew how to activate whatever that crystal technology was, they said it was a structure. So as you guys know stone various stone, the pyramids and everything else is made of different types of granite and sandstones. It's all piezoelectric. It's called crystal. So, you know, don't get me started when that shit. So what are your thoughts on that? That'll bend your mind. That's a whole show right there. Just the mega. Oh yeah. Easily. Right. You're right. So let's let's bring Russia into the picture here in the Soviets, because what do you think, you know, they've been, you know, the bad guy the entire time the enemy the entire time, and it's, it's looking like now they might be the actual enemy of the deep state. What do you think Russia's involvement is in all this involvement? Well, I'll give you some background. I was a Russian history major in college, and I went to Russia with my dad in 1990 to meet with Gorbachev was Senator Dole and a CODALE Senate mission. Basically to tell them, please don't sell weapons to Saddam. I'm saying we're going to invade, but they did anyway. But I was in a Kremlin for that. So I know a lot about Russian history. A couple things. I'm going to be careful with my words because it's inflammatory. All war, I'm against all war, even though I'm a military historian, I'm against it. It's proxy wars. It's, you know, the light versus the dark. It's, but it. I didn't think Putin would invade. I was wrong. I had told that my military people, none of them thought they were going to actually do it. He did it. There are old Soviet chemical bio labs there that I think that's been established as a fact. Sovias, there are no saints either. You know, all pretty bad and all that stuff. I honestly don't know what's going on. You know, I was wrong that he would invade. I mean, Putin, some people say he's cloned. He's not the real. Your head gives the spinning as to what's really going on. I did catch them using. Old footage of Soviet military maneuvers and when CNN came on in the early days, I think they got nailed for that. Yeah. And they were using footage from video games and, you know, yeah, all kinds. They do that to illustrate, but they should tell people that, but they do that to illustrate, which is not a bad way to do it because sometimes you don't have the footage and a picture is worth a million words. But it's very strange. Some of the things going on. The movie wagged the dog. I think should be talked about in this context. But I do think they were fighting, obviously, and the Ukrainians are suffering for it. But it is Russia attacking Russia. Ukraine was never really part of the EU. No way they were going to be part of NATO. They just sort of kind of broke away in name only. And then, you know, Prime Minister was an actor and a comedian. I thought that was a little strange, but hey, wrong ranking. Well, what about Russia is like involvement in the space programs and stuff like you're going going back to the 50s, you know, the saucer craze and all that stuff. You know, we were always against Russia, the space race and all this stuff. What kind of information do you have or have you come across any information like the Americans working with the Soviets back then? It wasn't actually a war. Yeah, apparently behind the scenes we were working with them in the Cold War was just like a surface level show kind of thing. That's exactly, yes, that's exactly true. My dad said it called me up. I was in college at University of Virginia, he called me up one day. This is back before cell phones, obviously. And it was 1982 or three, and we got very close to the nuclear war. A lot of people don't know that, but there were severe tensions between East and West. And he said, you know, get ready. If I call you again, you get to the farm and you bring your friends with you, because we might be in for an attack. And I said, are you serious? I thought we were cooperating with the Russians on the down low about the sensitive. He's like, yes, but the generals and admirals on the surface don't know that. They're really fighting this Cold War. So, you know, changes in East, you can look up that history if you want, but I'll never forget that. Yes, he, my dad told me that. We've always been cooperating with the Russians because, back to World War II, Len Lease, we gave a lot of planes and equipment to the Russians food, you know, thank God for spam. But the Russians have a right to be angry at the West. And World War I, the British and the French, let the Russians becomes against the German army in the Eastern Front, World War II, even worse. And as JP Farrell, and I agree with him, I think some type of exotic, maybe atomic munitions were used on the Eastern Front. I mean, one of my Russian historian colleagues emailed me years ago and said, it's not 27 million. We think we think it's more like 30 or 33 million. And you can't kill that, yes, disease and starvation. But you cannot kill that many people with bombs and even the thermal barrack, cold dust, nibble, verfir, rocket barrage that the Germans had, and the Russians had them too. You kill a lot, they're like tactical news, but come on. There's a story that up in near Latvia, the Germans let off an atomic device in October of '44. I can't get any information other than the person that told us to me was somewhat reliable. There is, I have it in my notes somewhere. I mean, you just can't kill that many people. So the Russians have a right to be angry. They took the brunt of World War II casualties. Oh yeah. And I write about it, the book I'm writing now is another sequel and I talk about the Gusov gun. And the Gusov gun was the biggest railway gun in the world. It doesn't really make sense. They say they built it for the Magna line. Yeah, but it took like five years to build and untold millions of Reichsmarks. And it's like, hmm, you know, they say they lobbed a shell in the Crimea on Sebastopol to a Russian ammunition bunker. They added the biggest explosion of World War II. Hmm. Fast forward to Yemen. A CIA friend said, look at this video. This is years ago. Look at this video on Yemen. That is not an ammunition bunker. That is a tactical nuke. You can look up some of these videos, massive explosions. And you see this trickling of light and sparkles like fireworks. He says, that's the electromagnetic signature left over. And he says, we have tactical nukes now where the radiation signature dissolves in 48 to 72 hours. So it's not a useless weapon anymore. These tactical nukes are, I think, in my opinion, they're used and they have been used since World War II. You know, it's interesting. You said October 44. There was apparently an atomic bomb. That story. Yeah, I don't have any proof. But I find it interesting because I think of the state 1945 that these people in the programs, the secret space program are told that the earth was destroyed by a cobalt bomb in 1945 and they can no longer return. They can no longer go back. And I think it's an interesting year that they chose. And that's the closest I've heard of an actual explosion. You know, to that date. I don't know, I just just connecting some dots here. Well, 45 is also the end of World War II. Right. It's the end of the end of the World War. Like, why did they choose that day? Exactly. Well, you know, like Philip K. deck, you talk about alternative timelines, the man in the high castle. Probably true that there was a timeline when that did happen. And then maybe with it, Germans and Japanese did win the war. Of course, the Nazis never lost. They never signed off. Yeah. They all went to Antarctica or the United States or Argentina. They infiltrated the United States. And by the soon. Yeah. Trust me, my grandfather worked with some of those guys. Exactly. So he knew. I was born burner of Bill Holocaust. You know, and others, you know, through the project paperclip. I mean, my grandfather said he knew with on brown and Kurt Davis. They were American heroes to me growing up. They were all, they were like, Oh, brown, the moon race. I was so proud. You know, now I'm like, shit. Was it you that was saying how operation paperclip, how it got its name was they literally just paperclip the new identity on top of the old form because Truman had made it illegal for Nazis to enter the US so they had that. That's just boilerplate stuff. Right. Right. I think I've heard you talk about that before. But if you look on, if you do some research on big banks and corporations in the 50s, there's always a, you know, a Reinhardt Schmitz. You know, on the board. That's like Reinhardt Smith. Who the hell is that? You know, that's not his real name, but you know, they demanded the story is they demand it. And then after the 1952 overflight, DC, which we still see, everyone's like, I don't believe in UFOs. I'm like Christ, look up the headline from 1952. That's like a document. It's a documented verifiable. Yeah. More than likely. That was German, the Germans saying, Hey, hey, hi, you know, Guten tag, you know, and they said we want beyond boards, you know, we want to be in corporations, we want to be everywhere. You know, let's share technology. Absolutely. You know, why not? Now, there were a lot of Americans who were very angry at that. I'll tell you a story I found out. In Huntsville, Alabama, a lot of the Germans settled there. Back in the 50s, you know, when NASA was started, you know, Huntsville was a very racist place. I'm sorry, laws and the Germans liked that. So that's number one. Always remember why Houston in the south. There's some, you know, trigonometry with rockets and other things, you know, the azimuth, you know, being further south on Cape Canaveral. But still, they were much more comfortable in the Jim Crow south, the Germans. But at the Huntsville NASA facility, a guy told me this years ago. And I was in a car club. I have an old Mercedes from 1969. He's like, he's like, you know, the, all the German top Germans drove s class Mercedes on a standard NASA military salary. Well, all the Americans were pissed off. This was the Martin Borman schluss front, no doubt. You know, and they, they had big houses in Huntsville and they had Mercedes and all this stuff. They never wanted for anything. And it's because of that. I thought that was story he's like, you can see all the Chevrolet's and forwards in the NASA parking lot. And then there's a row of Mercedes all parked together in a special spot. That was kind of funny. Right. Yeah, it's funny. You mentioned NASA, you know, how you said that the generals and the admirals on a cold board didn't know that they, they weren't really some days in the very few. But that's also how NASA operates doesn't NASA scientists don't understand that they're not working at the on a cream in the crop, you know, it's all compartmentalized. NASA's always been military was never a civilian organization. If you look at their bylaws and everything, they could prove it. They presented it on TV as if it was. But it was a, it's a defense organization right or something like that. Yeah, absolutely. I was under national security protocols. So, what do you, what do you think's going on with SpaceX, you know, there's a lot of controversy there, but. I got a lot of, I got a lot of hate on Twitter when I would do my memes on Elon Musk. I don't trust the guy. Number one, he is African or German. Origin. Oh, really, I'm not saying all African or Germans are racist or whatever, you know, but they don't have the greatest human rights record and there are rumors that AIDS and Ebola were vital weapons that were let out to decimate the African populations. I don't know if that's true, but it sure does make sense. A lot of ex Nazis did go down to South Africa after the war that's proven. I'm not saying Elon Musk is a Nazi. A lot of people think he's this new age guy who's a genius, who created PayPal. And then now all of a sudden his amazing chemical rockets are going to mind space and make everything wonderful. And I'm like, we're already in. Yeah, the space might already in space. You can't do that with chemical rockets. No, no, it can land itself and I'm like, that looks like CG to me. I got a lot of that. Well, some of those videos, some of those videos I swear we're a CGI that when the rocket rockets landing back on the pad 100% I'm like, who's falling for this like I've seen video games look better than this. Right. But people love him, because he's seen as a Messiah Savior. I assure you, I'm not saying he's all dark. I think he's a very complex man. Yes, he's very smart. But I find, you know, these, you know, the Facebook kid and other, you know, these geniuses that come out of nowhere and all of a sudden they're running, you know, trillion dollar companies, I find that problematic. They seem like puppets to me. They seem like controlled puppets. Yeah. Some people say they're bio robots, you know, I mean, it's possible. Maybe. You know, I wouldn't be surprised. You know, a lot of people don't understand. I'm sorry to take a lot of tangents, but World War II is my thing. I've recently found out, you know, Mengele was this guy. I think he read, Mengele must have read the island of Dr. Moreau by H. G. Wells, probably a hundred times. Because, you know, he was involved in the worst experiments in the Nazi death camps. But there's a story going around that he and others invented a retro virus. Now I'm writing this in my new book and it's a very horrifying story so I apologize to everyone. But I'm not going to sugarcoat it. The story goes, and I, I tend to believe it because the Nazis obviously were brutal. You know, unconscionable. And that they had a program going back to the 34, I think, where they would impregnate mothers with this special retro virus, but then beat them regularly. And I mean beat the shit out of them. And what they found was when the baby was born and grew three, four, five years old, that young man or I don't think there was a lot of women, but there may be some was very tough. A child, it was, it was almost feral, but it, you know, in conjunction with this mysterious retro virus, which I think was modifying DNA, even back then. Yeah, they were experimenting and trying an improved area and soldier. Now I've found some references to this in certain books and things. But given what I know about the Nazis and what they really up to in the occult, it would not surprise me if the story's true. That way. Yeah. It's a horrible story to think about these poor mothers, there were a lot of child deaths and mothers dying to do this brutal, you know, almost Neanderthal type thing to make a very tough child. But I'm just saying, Angela, Angela is just, you know, and he had a, apparently he had a laboratory in Paraguay before the war. Because the Nazis have been down in South America a lot. San Carlos de Baraloche. You know, that they were settlers in the 19th century in the wheat, the sheep cattle down in that part of Argentina in the mountains. And when the Germans move to a new land. And in the agriculture with them. They don't really assimilate. If I'm wrong out there but if you go down to San Carlos de Baraloche it looks like Munich. And they speak German. Spanish. Of course there's all kinds of stories about that, you know, project paper clip and presidents going down there and Hitler being buried not too far away. If he made it there. Do you know what the movie boys from Brazil. Yeah, it's a very good movie. I mean, who wasn't George Green. He was on Kerry Cassidy. Project Camelot and he, he claims that that movie is direct disclosure of the colonial operation that was going on at that time. And I think there's something to that. Whatever the experiment really was whether they're using Adolf Hitler's. Or Adolf Hitler from everything I've known about him. I'm supposed to read 50 books on the guy. People say, Oh, he wasn't that smart. No, he's really smart. He wasn't a coward. He won the iron cross and the trenches. He was gassed and then he had a hysterical blindness and other things. But in the capitalist society. I wrote this into my book my entire bear. I don't know if it's true but it's a possibility. The rumor is that his illegitimate father was Kaiser Wilhelm the second. Now royalty throughout the era that's common to have out of wedlock children. And sometimes they would care for them. It's true. You know, a lot of people say he looks like his father, Alois, Hitler, but he does. But anyway, the real society. You know, these are very, very old. It goes back to the lords of the black stone, you know, the black son societies, all these things in the 19th century coming up to the, it's nothing new. There were things. Oh, it was a new thing. No, it wasn't. No, they wouldn't have chosen this guy had he not had some interesting bloodlines. Whatever they were. Royal or otherwise. Yeah. But I wrote it that that's a possibility. Why they chose him. And of course he wasn't an idiot. He was a psychopath, but he wasn't an idiot. A lot of psychopaths have to have a high IQ quotient. They're very intelligent. Yeah. England was a genius. Mad genius, but zero empathy. Right. Now we're getting into reality and good evil. And it's all relative and great. And a very effed up morality system, where they think, basically, it's like my equals right, you know, like if I can do whatever I want, then that's makes it okay. That's kind of like good. Yeah, it's like a pass, you know. Like a path. Do you, you know, do you, what do you know about Carl House offer, you know, anything about Carl House offer. I drill down in my books about the Nazi occult house offer was a heroin addict. He was unreliable, but that doesn't mean he didn't know his shit. He was very well versed in the occult. So was Rudolph Hesse, you can read that. Well, is he not the one who groomed Hitler. According to what I've read, he was kind of given a task to groom Hitler into his position. After a trip, he had made the Tibet and spent some time with their at the Tibetan monastery to the green dragon society or something like that. But there is a story that he did. I remember Rudolph has was born in Alexandria, Egypt. He grew up with mystics. He was a very much of a mystic himself he was a romantic. And he certainly admired Hitler and I think personally, the real society and the tool of society, they said groom this guy for us he's rough around the edges but he's no dummy he speaks well. And has by all accounts, some accounts is a book called the pink triangle that asserts that a lot of the Nazi I command were gay, certainly earns Rome with the SA the brown shirts was gay. His idea was the sacred band of thieves from Greece, get gay lovers to fight for you and they'll fight, you know, which did happen in history. When the Nazis kind of had a portion of that twisted military homosexual ethos. But besides that, I think Rudolph has was, you know, he was a co author of mine comp. Pretty, pretty rigid book if I got through it once but it took a year off my life. But house offer has him or these people were very, very well versed in the occult. Right. Everyone said, Oh, Hitler wasn't in the occult. That's a fucking lie. Hitler has house offer and Hitler and other Nazi high commands were vegetarians. Why. You guys know, they were they understood. Well, they understood about vibrations and. Well, go ahead. I'll let you know. Okay. There's a book called the coming race. Yeah. They took that seriously now there are stories that they went down to a Gartha and whatnot. And I write about that and my books, but the higher vibrational people only a plants. Now I find it curious that none of them, house offer to a heroin, but he didn't drink alcohol because that lowers your vibration evil spirits. Some say it creates a portal in your pit, pinion land if you drink when you black out. And certainly everyone does stupid things and they can't remember so that's where you wouldn't barbed on that one. Right. Evil spirits. That's where we get the name spirits from. They were all, they were all vegetarians. They didn't drink. And, um, and, uh, Himmler did some other, uh, straight, it's amazing what they did. And it's like why pork beer, you know, this was this German staples. Yeah, they were the Nazis were very into the occult. Their, their symbol is an occult symbol. It's a very ancient symbol. And, uh, so what they did was they banned the occult anything on the surface level for everyone else, because they didn't want anyone else to have this knowledge. Right, because it creates a power. It creates a power. It's all the Masonic halls and 30. They closed everything they banned it. Yep. And they were in power. But they had the horse power to do. Well, they were empowered in 33. And so they closed all that stuff down. They had the Atlantis society in Berlin. The building still survives. You can see it. Well, the SS were obsessed with Atlantis lore. Yep. Guess who else was, I guess, the US Navy. So, you know, this stuff, it starts to get, you know, they probably learned it. You know, the, the Navy had good spies in Germany all through the 30s. Yeah. Well, I'm talking to rights about that. It's true. Um, so everyone has, you know, this twisted version of, of what the Nazis were into. Uh, the I write about the honor and Arabic SS. I write about Edmund gear and earn shafer. They're characters in my books. And then, you know, they're not saints or anything. But, you know, a lot of the N on Air Bay, like Bruno Baker, he wanted, he had Jewish prisoners killed at Auschwitz. So you can have a museum of skeletons. Here's the area in Superman. Here are the inferior, you know, homosexuals, Jews and Russians. I mean, it's sick. But, you know, a lot of this stuff, just because they were psychopaths doesn't mean a lot of it wasn't true. But the history is the history books have told us. Oh, no, they're all crazy. Part of the reason I think they were vegan, or they didn't eat meat and drink is because they were trying to connect with ETS communicate with other races. And they understood that that you couldn't do that unless you could get as close to you as you could to matching their vibration. And they would, it would, it makes it easier for the other being to communicate with you if you're at a higher vibration. You're matching frequencies. Right. And so let's just say for giggles, you know, regressives, Aldebarons or whatever, we're meeting with the Nazis, which I write, I believe that. You know, call me crazy, but it doesn't matter what your polarity is, but frequency in everything in the cosmos is important and balance between that is doubly important. And everything is about balancing a frequencies and, you know, vibration for the scene. Right. So they understood that. And, you know, the swastika is interesting. A lot of people get this wrong. When it was the Boy Scouts used to have it, Native Americans always had it, but the Nazis reversed it. Yeah, they did. Now the swastika has a million meanings, good fortune and everything, but the Nazis knew the house offer knew this and the Hess knew it, I know that. It also is the torsion spiral twisting of the universe and the cosmos, galaxies, everything spins, everything spins into the solar system. It's all torsion. Yep. So they knew it meant that as well. And it also meant it, they thought it meant inevitable victory. So when you reversed that symbol, that was a powerful gesture. Everyone's like, oh, they got it wrong. They reversed it. No, they knew exactly what they were doing. And they, I think the real society picked it for them, I think. Right. And they take the, they reverse it or some people say hijack a lot of those benevolent symbols. A lot of things that were taught now that are like, like, are superstitious or bad, like the number 13 or 666, like even like taking that. Like 13, if you go back and read, I don't know where you would find any literature on it, but you can reduce some research and it's actually a very positive number that means good luck. But they've reversed that. And the pentagram, the upside down pentagram, it's supposed to be right side up as a positive symbol. And they, they invert it to upside down. And then that becomes the satanic. And that's what the, the cabal uses that. Yeah, it's like they invert everything. So it, it becomes negative rather than a positive. Yeah, it's energy is energy symbols are neutral, just like energy, what you will. But, you know, in Jordan Maxwell does a great job at peaking together symbolism throughout time itself. And how, you know, my favorite is the circle with a cross in it, which was the ancient in its ancient form meant peace. Yeah. You see that carved on rocks with the spiral. They flip it upside down. I think denotes, hey, this is a portal, you know, here's the frequency, have at it, you know, have fun. And you see that all through the Southwest and New Grange and Ireland, you know, always to spiral the Celtic spiral. And all these were pretty much universal in the universe symbols. Because apparently it is when telepathy is used to communicate, it's something but holographic representations of symbols. And imagine what a swastika symbol used in context with others, how much information you could put out in, you know, one millionth of a second. Yeah. Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. And so that's what a card them on rocks everyone looked at it. Okay, it's like a McDonald's menu. Okay. Yeah, we're going into this portal and we'll do some astral traveling and, you know, well, that's just, that's just it. They understood the power of these symbols and they understood how to utilize them. And that's like what I was saying 666 that reduces down to nine, which is a completion number. And it can be used in rituals and ceremonies as a completion now whether they try to complete. That's, that's the big question. And I find that very interesting. I mean, as similar as they're fascinating. I tried my best at symbology it's very complicated. And it's interpretational, of course, and they have multiple meanings which doesn't make anything easier. But I think symbols are important. We're not taught. We're taught, you know, the Christian cross. That's a predoluvian symbol for reincarnation resurrection. Yep. It doesn't have anything to do with Christianity. They co-opted it out of Mithra ism, which was popular in ancient Rome. And Mr. Mithra had 12 disciples too. Hmm. No, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Look our Mithra. Mithra ism. They never, I went to a church school up here the National Cathedral. Never mentioned it. You know, we had to study the Bible and actually Christian history was very interesting because I'm like, wait a minute, papal armies, the Pope had his armies. What's going on with, you know, the Medicis and everything. And they were like, we're going to skip over that chapters. Yeah. They're hiding something. Right. Yeah. Hidden history. Everything is. I mean, that's what everything we've done. Yeah. I mean, the textbook history that we get is the indoctrinated version of their reality. You know, they want, you know, we, we talk about this all the time. But just by this discussion, like discussion, every topic we want to go back to whatever we decide to talk about, we can all pretty much agree that the, the mainstream story. The mainstream story is bogus. And no matter what, no matter what, because they started off on the wrong foot. I mean, we were never. It's never been what we've thought it was. And that's, you know, that's what we're coming to realize now. Yeah. You know what's interesting. Because I'm a historian, I collect history books, not a lot, but if you, I got one off of, I think eBay years ago. It's an 1855 book on American and European history. And I believe it was for either high school or college. Anyway, it's six inches thick. Now, if you look at a high school, you know, 12th grade or whatever history book, it's one third the size. Yeah. You know, it's stuff like that that gives you great pause. And colleges are getting rid of their, you know, you know, music and arts programs and everything. They want everyone hive minded. And ignorant and stupid and towing the party line, which is the matrix line, you know. Yeah, you really need to know this, go work on a cubicle on a computer and, you know, punch a clock as a debt slave. Yeah, it's obvious. And people say, oh, no, I'm going to go to college. I'm going to do this and they have a clever way of funneling students. In certain careers. And they create the careers that make all the money are the ones that serve the system the best, and you wonder why I wonder finance economics. Or are you going to the military, which I almost did. But I was. I was like, I'm not good with authority. So I didn't. But, and then, and then they send you to, you know, it's either finance that or politics, which is nonsense. It's just distilled judgment. You know, even my dad was like, they're all bought and paid for. Right. I mean, he was fairly honest as a politician, but he told me interesting things. He said, you know, they're all bought and paid for. And he said, to get elected, you have to lie. There's no way for anyone to get elected to Congress in this country or present without the people will not. They cannot take if you tell the truth, because I said, well, I'm going to run for Senate in Virginia, and I'm going to tell the truth. He's like, you'll be gone in the first round. Yeah, it's just a move like you. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, and he was a very successful politician. He was able to befriend and he tried to do a lot of good things for the state of Virginia. But he still told the status quo line. And, you know, but I learned a lot from him just by osmosis. Yeah, this is what I don't want to be. Sure. What I learned from him. Yeah. I don't want to be a military officer. And, you know, because it's my personal belief that if you become a military officer, I don't care what branch. You sign a pile of documents somewhere. There's a code number. And that code number, it's your responsibility to look it up, which I doubt you could even find it. But says, hey, national security, you know, if you work in sensitive programs and you tell the tale after you're out of the service and you're at the bar drinking beer, we have the right to hang you. And so this is why a lot of these admirals over the years, you know, one friend of my dad. He said, I said, you know, what can you tell me about the Navy secret technology, but while he's like, he's like, I can't tell you, because I take my national security of secret, you know, seriously. Well, maybe she read this book. You know, he would write down five books and I'm very in the right. And basically saying, you're going to find a lot of the truth here. And so that was my life. I've always been in sort of in the room, you know, I look around, I'm like, God, I was everywhere with this, with this stuff. I remember my dad, Jimmy Carter, they weren't real good friends, but Jimmy Carter, most people don't realize he ran on a platform in 1976 on ending UFO secrecy. He had seen two of them. Yeah. You know, but people forget this history. It's not, it's not told to us. And the current crop of the disclosure movement. They don't look back and they piece together things in a historical context, they come right out of the box and say, Oh my God, you know, the Wasatch Mountains were building Navy. No, by the way, there's a million kids in there with no context. And by the way, there's no Nazis that have been age-regressed, but there's no historical context with that. Yeah. I came to this very slowly. I was always, my mother gave me UFO books and magazines to read. She never believed in the moon landing. I think we went there, we just weren't alone, obviously. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. But, you know, some of the later missions Apollo 12. We were working overtime in London. The big question is, you know, everyone's caught up on whether the moon landing was fake or not, but the better question is why did we just suddenly stop going to the moon for no reason. Well, we didn't exist publicly. Why, why did they. Oh, we just were done with that. Skylab, the space shuttle, the space shuttle was a piece of shit. Yeah. Even a rocket scientist, I understand cars and engineering ships. I said, this is the first of all, it's ugly. I was there. My dad took me to the USS Enterprise unveiling and all the Star Trek people came in the 70s out of Dulles Airport. I was there with him. And it's the ugliest fucking thing spaceship. And they all the starting a William Shatner everywhere. They were like, Oh my God, it's so ugly. Where's the real enterprise? Well, little do they know we were building real enterprises somewhere else. You know, and this was the public face of our technology and it was shit. Right. Did the Germans blow up one? Did the O rings go? You know, I don't know. But it was, you were spamming the can. Right. Yeah. It's sad. I feel so sorry for the people who died in those rings. You know, the military stuff people die all the time and training, but. Well, that that's a sad part is, is I think about that when you're watching like NASA footage of everybody like Houston or mission control or something and they're all like celebrating and crying because a rover landed on Mars and their tears point on their face and. And it's, if, if, because they believe that they were really work, you know, this is all real. And I feel bad for these people. I'm like, if you only do have no idea at all. It's all compartmentalized. Sorry, if you can't crack a book or two or watch your video or two. I'm sorry. I don't, I don't go sorry for them at all. Yeah, I understand people are understandably ignorant and ill informed by and large in society. It's, it's an agenda. Yeah. Mm hmm. But my God, there's so much shit out there, but no one goes there because they think it's the French. Yeah. But that's changing. It's changing slowly, but there's going to come a time, I think in 15 years, within 15 years. Where people are going to start catching big lies that the, you know, the US government and the media are telling us and they're like, wait a minute. Maybe we should go listen to those guys and journey to truth. You know, I think they're, they've got a point, you know, and everyone else. Yeah. There's going to be this consciousness shift. It's coming slowly 35 years ago. There was no one. I was, you know, people that had never heard of Stephen Greer or anybody now. And now I have friends who at least since 2017, they say, well, you know, it's interesting. I was watching you and Stephen Greer. I have to find that interesting. I'm like, oh my God, the skies are falling. Yeah. And when did you get a clue? You know, I'm sorry. Right. And a lot, and it's good though, because people are opening their minds up to it and we're getting to a point where it's not a laughable topic anymore. And that's partially because of this UAP disclosure narrative. No, I talked about that. I said, you and Elizondo have done us a solid. You've opened the conversation, which was dead. Yeah. Not a laughing stock batter anymore. News agencies were told to give the UFO subject, the giggle factor. Yeah, it's a quote. And that's what they use. You know, they get beautiful women up there with the halo effect. You know, and, you know, going, oh, I mean, I have a, I have a friend. Who has a show on Fox. What's her name? Oh God. Anyway, she does that program that she gave Steven grew two minutes. Two minutes. And then she kind of. I didn't even bother. No. Just to be. Laura Ingraham. I know. Yeah. Yeah. So Laura's a nice person, but you know, at least they had Greer on. I'll give them that. Yeah. I was like, Oh, Hannity's on our side. And then what is it? Tucker Carlson. And I'm like, I've been around DC my life. You know, these people, if they're given this much, you know, they'll run with that and they won't expand on it at all. And Tucker Carlson's as Chris Melon on the will zone. Oh, you guys are heroes. Well, they were lying to the American people misdirecting this topic. They will, we will never get disclosure from the military or the US government. Well, that shows you those people there. It's all part of the same system. When, when, when, uh, Lou Alizondo and Chris Melon and these, these. So called, you know, disclosure people that are telling the truth are get all the mainstream coverage. That's all the mainstream wants to cover and talk about. What does that tell you? They're all, they're a part of the system or they're being used, maybe unwittingly, but they're being used by the system for an agenda. It's all. Your audience knows all this stuff, but yeah, you know, it's, it's like, when I go back and I, I, I've seen things talked about over the years. You know, they're doing the same old thing now. They're just doing more of it. UAP task force, UAP office. That's a joke. That's where all the dead letters go on Capitol Hill. Oh, my God, emails and dead letters. People still write letters. And they're like, Oh, my God, I saw a disc and the grays abducted my dog, you know, and, and it's like, Oh, that's very interesting. And they throw it into the, the, the pit. If they read it. These things, project blue book, these things have been around these tactics, but they're running out of ideas and they're running out of time. Yeah. The reason I know that is because they wouldn't have a melon come out there talking about this bullshit. If they weren't getting internal pressure. And I don't know who it is deep safe in the military and depending on our full factions, they always have been UFOs or otherwise. You know, but somebody saying, get out there and do a dog and pony show and play it up good this time, get a band, get a stage, you know, get clowns and oh my God, you know. My favorite just keep doing it so people will know that we're on top of things. You know, and we're not. We're still right. My theory is that. So these people aren't going to blackmail themselves. They all blood on their hands. They're not going to come on say, Oh, we've been lying to you. We've had this technology at all time. They're not going to do it. So with this, with this new report, which was a nothing burger that, you know, they even had the audacity to put a weather balloon in there again. But they said that, you know, I forgot how they worried it, but it was basically nothing. It was saying it was still inconclusive. Whatever, but why are they doing this because when it does come out there, they want their hands. They want. They're free of it, you know, and they're going to start pointing fingers at Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop, all these aerospace industries and they're going to say it's their black budget programs that was doing this stuff and not the military. That's what I think is going on. They have some of them might, but remember all those corporations, they own all the congressmen and senators. Yeah, they own them. Mm hmm. That is tied to them. I did himself with the Navy and Marines that no one would fuck with him, but dealing with the Navy and Marines is still dealing with Lockheed Martin and Boeing and McDonald Douglas and, you know, all of the military contractors. But, you know, so he was smart enough to do that, but other, you know, I met a woman who's running for Congress and she, oh my God. This is years ago, but she spent 25 million of her husband's money, then they got divorced, obviously, and didn't make it to Senator Congress. I can't remember which one I was. I said, why did you do that? And she's like, Oh, I'm, I've got the fire in the belly. I really want to change things. I said, you're not going to change anything. Nothing sensitive. And she's like, Oh, no, you know, I said, what about UFOs and all get to all that. I'll tackle all that. And I said, with respect won't, because they'll put the kibosh on you, even if you make it to being a senator, Congresswoman, they will not let you talk about that. She was so utterly naive. She was in her 40s. I said, Dad's a senator. You know who my dad is. And I'm telling you the truth. You're not going to change jack shit. Sure, you can get a road built in Buckwheat County, you know, fuck they'll do. Nothing else. Our schools and roads and bridges fall apart, because the money's going to the deep state and all the military stuff. Chris Millen is out there yelling threat threat threat UAP ticktack threat. There's a truth to that, because they want plausible deniability. Yep. It's insidious. I sent him a message. I probably didn't get it. I said, that's a low man. It's a whole control system that's very compartmentalized and the real stuff and the real power goes on. And the black things that are, like, very, very hidden and very secretive and very controlled and everything's compartmentalized and need to know. So what we see, the politicians we see on the surface level are basically all puppets and they don't really have any real power. Essentially, and they're kept in the dark. Yeah, it's something sensitive stuff. Yeah, not the big stuff, not the big. Yeah. And this is what I, this is one of the things I do like that Steven Greer talks about is that he exposes that with a lot of his, his info and documentaries like these. What do you see called special access project, unacknowledged special action, access projects. And where he talks about, he exposes how, like, presidents, we think we, you know, the kind of mindset most people have is that the president has all this power and they're in charge of everything. No. And that's, that's not true at all. At all. They're way down the food chain. Yeah. Steven Greer has this quote and he got it from us. I think a senator. And it's true. They are presidents are transient custodians of the status quo. Exactly more. And that's, you know, I believe the story when Obama was put in office that Bush senior went in there and said, you know, you listen to me, you. You're probably looking man of color. This is how the real world works. I believe that. And his Secretary of State Susan Rice is a high school friend of them. I talked about it with Susan, but she's a straight shooter on, on that. She does not delve into this kind of stuff. But well, they don't want people that think like us. Yeah. There's an old Joe Rogan comedy skit from stand up from 2005 where he talks about, you know, voting for a president is like rooting for pro wrestling, you know, they want you to think that you have some sort of say in it. But, you know, really, and then, and then it's like they intentionally put a dumb guy in charge. So, because to see, to find out how dumb the population is, you know, almost as a, as a joke for them, you'll be like, look, we can even put somebody this dumb as the president and people will still think. Yeah, it's real. And, you know, it still reminds me on now I know the second thing this, I want to talk about this I'm popular with some people, but I'm going to say it anyway. I've been very close to politics, all my life. No offense to the Trump folks and the Q and on folks I don't mean offense to anyone. But they're putting all their eggs in one basket with Donald Trump and I'm like, holy shit, no way. He's not a savior. Yeah. When I was looking at the Q and on stuff, my military friend said, those are genuine actionable codes. What the stuff they're talking about with one oh seven. And I love Kerry Cassidy, but damn it she's on this JFK juniors life. Right. I hope the guys alive. My sister knew him very well. That's not him. My sister and her friends knew JFK Junior extremely well. This guy complaining one oh seven, one oh seven junior was not religious. And this is part of our control system worldwide problem. That's a man saying thank you. I carry Cassidy would support this guy if he's saying prophecies and God and you know we're going to liberate children. And I'm like, that's a huge red flag. I don't steer any religion into this fucking mess. That's what got us into this mess in the first fucking place. Thank you. No, you're good. I don't steer anybody towards one oh seven different. It's just a sign up penny bread to me years ago. I mean, it's obvious. Now I'm not saying Trump's a bad guy. Come on. He worked with a mom getting all his buildings built in New York. Mr. New the guy, you know, it's this guy knows the deep state how it works. Yes, I'm sure he's done some good things. He's not a positive thing, but he is not this savior Messiah that people say he is. No, I think they're running with JFK Junior, even if the guy still is alive. I mean, I hope he's still alive. Nice guy. I'm starting to be the smartest team in the shed either. No, I'm starting and especially when he's like pushing pushing the jab and certain things like that or like. Okay, what's that about? Hell. Yeah. I mean, critical thinking. I think he was more appeal. You know, and there's lack of critical thinking. It's like, you need to piece all this stuff together. And there's, there's only a few of us to do and I say that was sadness. I'm not an asshole, but it's like the disclosure movement is completely at odds in fighting and dysfunctional. When the, when the general public starts to turn to everyone in the disclosure movement, it's going to be a shit show because no one can agree on fucking anything. There's a problem. Well, you know, this is a good point to bring up because while Trump was still president, we were always talking about cue and Trump and we were, you know, we supported them and we were all, you know, Trump. But now, as things are playing out, you know, we've backed away from that and we're not so gung ho about that and it's been a road, you know, it's a learning process for all of us. But I agree with you. I don't think like at this point, I mean, yeah, of course, he's the better option right now if then, you know, then this thing we have in office. He's the better option, but I don't think, like you said, don't put all your eggs in one basket with him because on some level I'm sure he's, he's a puppet also, you know, he's not. Or, well, what, what I think if the Alliance is real and they, because there, there was certain intel that said the Alliance recruited Trump to be, you know, the guy to run against Hillary and they're going to make sure she doesn't win with the manipulation and blah, blah, blah. If that's true, I think he was mostly just like a placeholder. So, they knew they couldn't have a deep state person like Hillary, of course, in the White House and in power. So they needed somebody as a placeholder while they can do the real operations behind the scenes. Well, that's what Darrell James said he said that Trump was Trump was just to stay out of their way. He was there so they could have somebody in that place to stay out of their way. Yeah. Well, he technically is part of the deep state, but, you know, this is the problem everyone thinks it's a black and white Alliance versus deep state and I'm like, no, no, that's not the traditional way. All the stuff that's been going on since World War II, it's, it's faction fighting factions and maybe cooperation on some things. I'm sure Trump and his military, you know, the military is very pro Trump. That I've, I've sussed out my contacts, my friends who were in the military they were like, oh yeah. That's a good thing, because you're never going to get control disclosure with truth in it without some military backing because, you know, as you know, the, the real black hats in the deep state, you know, they, they'd rather crack the earth and half and have some of this stuff come out. Yeah, because they can leave the earth. Yeah, yeah, exactly like these guys. There's, you know, the earth is a garden planet's very valuable part of the cosmos is alive, guys, it has a soul, it's sending through the ascension process, I think, as well as we are we're part of that. And so it gets very complicated with metaphysics but, and that's why I said everyone's focused on politics and it's like, yeah, God, there's anything my dad taught me is politics is complete bullshit for the most part. It's a fake show, right, where, you know, disclosure, it's like, it's not going to work that way. Well, 100% save anyone. It's designed, it's designed to siphon your energy, they want you to put your energy into that instead of focusing on the real issues and even even yourself, you know, that's, that's the thing instead of focusing on yourself, working on yourself. You've got a million distractions, you got pro football, you got politics, you know, it's all bread and circuses and distraction. I've seen it all my life. It's amazing. My dad said, well, when you get up there and you've got a sensitive issue, you've got to give a speech on. You're like, well, it's like Lou Elizondo is like, well, I can't speak to that UFO sighting, but I can speak to, you know, my sailboat which I'm varishing right now. When you go out there and I think strange thing is guy but I don't know what they are, and all of a sudden the original question is forgotten. Well, Lou Elizondo always dances around remote viewing topic also, because I teach 60 stuff. I know but he acts like I just watched a recent interview with him and he was asked about it and, and you know he had this very like oh I can't talk about that you know, it was just like, he makes it so mysterious for some reason. Michael, I don't know what's he actually doing. West Army counter intelligence and book 101. Yeah. I mean, he is he's out there diluting and shifting the narrative sideways. It's the analogy I always give in my interviews is very apt. You have frozen lake. You put a Corvette out there with a thousand horsepower. They're putting more power to the ground, but they're only going in circles. Oh see we're moving ahead with this UAP office thing that's we're advancing. No, you're just creating something else, you know you're putting more gas down, but you're still going in a circle. And so people think well gosh this circle, you know these now there's 10 corvettes out there going in a circle and they're going 500 miles an hour and I'm like, it's still a circle. Yeah, we're going nowhere. It's a common counterintelligence tactic. And because America believes it, you know, generally, believes what they see on the media. It's a problem. They can go out there and say, Oh, there's only one alien on planet Earth. It's my cousin John Warner, you know, and everyone's like, I knew it. I knew it. But after me, you know, it people will believe anything. Right. It's sad. We're dealing with a multifaceted multi prong for issue problem. Everyone's asleep. They've been taught incorrect history. They're ignorant. They're lazy and they're tired. They're overworked. They drink a beer and all that stuff. And then you've got the religions doing their thing, which is, Oh, don't worry. God works in serious ways. And then you have the media and the government and all the distractions. I mean, it's amazing. Anyone pays any attention to the UFO ET hidden history subject at all. People don't understand how it, how it's relevant to their lives. Like, they don't understand how, like, I can tell people stuff and I've gotten a response. Okay. Well, how does that affect me? Well, we, when you really start researching and diving into it, you realize it's all connected and it affects the, you know, it massively. Okay, possible. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. The law of one and hermetic law and everything. We're all one. I mean, it's, we're having these different experiences. Christ, a third of our lives is spent in the astral world asleep dreaming. I wake up exhausted. I'm like doing all kinds of strange things and it's very busy. And I made it in my dreams. I tell my, my wife's like, you look exhausted. I said, shit, I was in doing the stuff and I'm exhausted. Yeah. And people are like, Oh, that's just the dreams, you know, smoke pot. I have dreams. And I'm like, no, there's your mind is always there. You know, your soul is out doing strange things. You know, I have dreams where I wake up. They're very vivid and lucid. And I'm fighting in the Civil War or the Revolutionary War. I'm like, shit. You know, yes, I know a lot about history and stuff, but it's, it's real. And it's frightening. But, you know, it's, the problem is, I mean, we have a million problems. So we should call it just challenges. That's a political dodge right there. You know, you just have challenges. Yeah, it sounds like my dad. There's so few of us doing this work, but I mentor five people. I say that with humility. I say, you think for yourself, you know, and don't take my word for it. Go do your own research, but they generally ask my opinions on certain things. And I say, look, I think that within, certainly within 20 years, in my, the rest of my lifetime, a lot of people will start coming towards the disclosure movement and all of its periphery people. You know, megaliths, archaeology, you know, anunnaki everything, everything. They're going to start to turn to us. And we have a responsibility to get our shit together and get it straight as straight as we can. It's a mess. But I piece together everything and it kind of sort of makes sense. And the history never did and you piece together all the new stuff. It does make sense. But there's a leap of faith. And, but we all have that responsibility, even if it's like one thing you know, that's still a very important responsibility, because now all of a sudden people are giving us the credit that that's due and I mean everyone. I don't mean presenters or, you know, you guys are me or I mean everyone, because I had a friend who I've been, you know, mentoring and with years and they're like, Oh shit, you know, my cousin starting to ask me questions I said, you have the responsibility to tell them what you think. And I think everyone else or career, Carrie Cassidy, whatever. Yeah, you think, because everything is a perspective. Right. And that doesn't make our job any easier it makes it more difficult but challenging. But nonetheless, it's the responsibility I believe that our higher self and our every time we reincarnate. And this is our day job. Right. Exactly. And be, be informed enough to be able to answer a question when somebody asked you, you know, don't just go out there shoving this stuff down people's throats that doesn't work. If somebody's ready, they're going to ask you the universal guide them to you, they'll find a way and then, and then you can share whatever you feel like they can handle. That's how I see it. I mean, we've all been through it. I tried to, I had a friend I've known for 45 years, no closer friend exists. And I tried to break this whole thing to him in a context with Chris Mellon and the UAP and everything. Shut down. And now we're not friends anymore. I mean, I think a lot of us because those that pain is, you're messing with people's hard floor reality. And it's big shiny, thick wooden floor. And people are like, what are you doing? Don't your chops are starting to chop away at their floor and they're like, what the fuck are you doing? And they will get a one person got angry at me. Oh yeah threatened to punch me or hit me with a baseball bat he said but you know, well, and that's what I learned. Oh wow, you, you, you need to talk to people that come to you. Yeah. Exactly. Right. I mean, yeah, we want like how many times do we want to just like wake up like grab somebody and shake them big view it as an attack on them because they're people are identified with their beliefs and their version of reality. And you, when you come at them with information that challenges that even if they're not, they're not consciously knowing that they're taking it as an attack on them and they're just, and you're the bad guy now. And I have to defend against you and that information. Yeah, and this being open to it. This is what my characters have to learn in a World War II setting. By studying Sufi wisdom and philosophy and Carl Jung and, you know, Steiner and all that stuff is that. You know, their version of reality is just as valid as ours. It's not to slap people awake. I'd love to do that but that's a negative thing. Yeah, something on that what it what it is I'm trying to formulate this in my mind. I try to practice this every day. My wife and I. You know, we're all going through holographic universe cosmos as light beings. You know, everyone's reincarnated. Obviously, all of us in a disclosure movement. Every single one of us is a light warrior. That's obvious. And I mentioned this in my books and it's. Part of that is processing the pain that the closest most wonderful people you love in the world will never. Cotton to what you're talking about or relate to it in this lifetime. You know, they're there. They have incarnated and said, I'm going to be asleep. My whole life or maybe at the end of my life, I'll have a come to Jesus and whatever. That's to be respected because in other words, I also like to. Portray this in my writing is that all these psychopaths and Hitler's and, you know. Epstein's and all that. They're there to teach us something. Yep. In other words, I read a story that purports. They were going to go back with a time travel operation, military operation and kill Hitler. I'm sure a lot of people thought about that. Oh, yeah. No, it's the wrong thing to do because he needs to live out his lifetime and destiny. So that me way all of us will learn painful lessons because evolution only only comes from stress. And so it's very difficult. I'm thinking about writing this in my another book is having people go back in time. I think they found that when they do time travel. If you mess with something like you push a link in a office stage or something into the mud. If you if you alter that timeline, you're just going to create another time. And so they've come back from these missions and going, well, you know, this history change and like, no. What the hell happened? And it's like timelines merge and then they split. Man, no, man, no. It's difficult to kill someone and expect a change. If you go back and kill that off Hitler, somebody else would have taken his place. You have pretty much a similar outcome. And that's sad with the Holocaust. It's very sad. But remember, as harsh as it is, I believe that every one of those people, those are the bravest people. People that incarnate knowing they're going to lead a life of severe suffering and then an early death. Right. A person in the Holocaust, Russian or Jew or someone as a child. Now, that takes, you know, I like to think of myself. Oh, big tough person. And it's like, wow, I didn't think of that one. You know, I don't remember my past lives. My hair cells was a bunch of jerks. They hardly tell me anything. Whatever, you know, I get synchronicity. My wife and I like, I'm a synchronous. It happens to us along, but very dropper, you know, stuff. I think it's amazing when people are able, I tried regression therapy didn't work. No one can hypnotize me, even if I want it to be. And I think, I think perhaps it's my higher self going, it calls me dummy. It says, Hey, dummy. No, you're not going to learn your past lives because it's not good for you right now. You need to do what you got to do. You know, I agree with that knowing that, because if you know all that, you won't do what you fucking need to do. Right. That's exactly. I'll say, if we, if we came here with our memories, we would never be motivated. Well, we would never do anything because we would just, we would see everything for what it is. And then, yeah, see, my wife and I, we work with wounded veterans at my farm twice a year. They come for a rustic black powder, you know, with flintlock, you know, deer hunt. And it's a very therapeutic thing for them. And it's the way we should have been doing it for years. And it's our way of trying to give back in a hands on, you know, grassroots way. And it's so rewarding. I have pictures on my website. They're the most wonderful people. And, you know, there's guys your age or even gals. And they say, Oh my God, I've got 300 people. It was a shrapnel in me. I'm in chronic pain, but they can't take it out. And it's doubly painful for me and my wife because we know they have MedVic technology to heal all that. Right. All the kids with cancer. And I even talked about this with Chris Mellon. He's like, yeah, I've heard about that. You know, and that was the one thing we fucking agreed on. Some of this bringing out some of this technology, which I think he is trying to do, I hope. In his own weird patrician, you know, button coat tie way. But that was the one thing we did agree on. And I said, I know it got it because, you know, my own eye guy says, you know, I can't talk about that. But, you know, a lot of people nod to me in conversations. I ask a question. I mean, just not. It's like my dad, you know, hey, did you go aboard a spaceship? And he just nods. Something like that. Right. It's true. I believe it's true. I never told him anything. Right. I've talked to somebody within a Navy and I asked about the med does and same thing, like they can't tell you, but they tell you. Well, that's for Navy seals and black ops use only. Yeah. And high, high importance, maybe an admiral or something. Right. Or the elites. But John, this has been amazing, man. We've been going for close to two hours now. Let people know where they can find you your website, where they can get your books, all that stuff. My website is john w Warner, the fourth. Author.com. And all the information and I photos on their website. I also have a lot of notes that I've taken over the years. They're available for download. It's thousands of pages of just everything. I mean, everything under the sun. I don't know. It's not personal commentary. It's just my notes. Right. I don't know if this, that and the other, but it's, I try to take notes on everything. It's interesting to me. And, you know, all that information is in there and a lot of your viewers would be very familiar with it. But there are some interesting things I've done with that. And the books are available there. They're all my profits go to a wounded veteran charities. Amazon gives me 10 cents or something. Masters. Jeff Bezos, there's another bio robot in control of trillions of dollars. Yep. But I'll tell you these people, everyone's like, Oh, Trill, Elon Musk is the richest guy in the world. I'm like, um, no. There, there are royal families in Europe, maybe the British and everything else. They have hundreds of trillions. Or we don't know, we don't know the names. Money is meaningless. It's only meaningful to the little people. And the amount of gold on the planet is way more than is on the books. Yeah, I'm working way more. That's, that's another thing I found out that maybe God, I cried. And was when they were looking, they knew about Yamashita, generally Yamashita's gold statues, the Japanese general. He was the conqueror of Singapore. And he's a nasty piece of work, but he had caches of this stuff. He raided all the Khmer ruins and everything caves in Vietnam during World War II. A lot of the reason I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think it's true. A lot of the reason we had to do the island hopping would had to do with securing those statues. Because as a military historian, I could tell you, we didn't need to take all those little islands. I pan and everything like that. A lot of historians are with me on that. They're kind of like, yeah, that doesn't make much sense. Why do we do that? I think it's because of that. I think the G2 army intelligence and OSS and everyone, they were like, no, we need to take this little island at the cost of God knows how many thousands of lives, not only for an air base, but because there's treasure there. And who knows, there might have been crash UFOs at the time, other things. Yeah, definitely recovering that during the war. Right. Right. There's a story that I heard that there was a Navy ship. It was craning a spaceship out of the coral sea while it was being attacked by Japanese bombers. That's a sci-fi movie for you right there. It's like right out of sci-fi. I wouldn't believe it except for the person who told me that. Well, thanks for coming on, man. This has been great. Thanks for sharing everything with us. A lot of fun. And yeah, we'll put your links below. Guys, there's still tickets available to the conference. You want to come out and learn some more about the secret space program, hang out with all of us and just, you know, finally get to be with people in person instead of online. That's my, that's what I'm looking most forward to. So come hang out with us secret space conference.info. John, this is awesome. Thanks, man. Thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. You guys do a great job. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Right. Oh, yeah. Would you, people, you're on Twitter, right? Can you drop your Twitter? No, not on Twitter. I gave it up. Okay. Too much work for too little. Yeah, it's not worth it. I'm looking for reward, but everything I did, you know, I did try to do very well. And it's obviously, you know, they've got my number. I know, I know, Chris and Lou. Right. Yeah. It's kind of a lost car on me too. And at the end of the day, Twitter, it's a, it's a mishmash. It's a slurry of, you know, it's just a fast food fix for the human mind. Right. Yeah. Perfect. That's social media in general. Yeah. All right. All right. Good night, everybody. Thanks for tuning in and we will see you next time. Good night. Good night, guys. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music]