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EP 230 - LIVE w/ Derek & Daniel: Shred The Veil - Life With A Cosmos Clearance

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We are Daniel and Derek, the grandsons of the late Daniel Morris Salter, one of the 20 or so witnesses from Dr. Steven Greer’s Disclosure Project who went to the DC National Press Club Hearing in 2001.
Daniel M. Salter wrote a book called, “Life with a Cosmos Clearance”, where he discusses his military career starting in 1947 climbing the ranks to Chief Master Sergeant in the U.S. Air Force and gaining access to many highly classified projects as well as Project Blue Book. He eventually retired in 1969 and went to work under the ultra-secret NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) gaining a Cosmos Clearance, 38 levels above top secret.
Much of his story and testimony from over the years would be very difficult for most people to believe as he was cognizant of many ongoing hidden agendas that remain unknown to the majority of the population. As his grandsons, we are now dedicated to investigating and seeking the truth for ourselves.
We co-host a show on Infynit.tv called Shred the Veil where we are trying to live up to our grandfather's legacy of disclosing the truth that finally needs to be revealed in so many aspects of our lives.
https://linktr.ee/shredtheveil

Duration:: 1h 43m
Broadcast on:: 12 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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There's still plenty left. There's still plenty left right now. Okay, so guys, if you don't know who we're talking to, you're about to find out. This is Derek and Daniel from Shred the Veil over at infinite.tv. They've been doing some great work. And if you've read the description, you know they're the grandsons of Daniel Salter, who wrote the book, what is it? I can't even think of the name of the book. Life with the cosmos clearance, yeah. And apparently your grandfather had 38 levels above top secret clearance, right? And I'll let you guys explain what that is and explain the whole thing and how you guys are who you even hear, why you end up doing what you're doing today. So welcome to the show. Yeah, absolutely, Derek, if you just want to take it away and just kind of let us know how you guys got into this. Who was your grandfather? What he was involved in and we'll go from there. Okay, it's quite a story. I mean, I'll try to condense it down a little bit. But I'll let you know, just to start with, I mean, our grandfather was in the Air Force. He started out his career back in actually 1947, just about when he got out of high school. And basically, when all we knew growing up was like, he was big into talking about all these disclosure topics, like UFOs, aliens, and all this hidden secret government kind of stuff happening. And he talked more about it even with our parents and my mom, who's his daughter, but and my mom's just like this guy's kind of nutty. But as we get on, and I think Dan actually has more personal experiences with the information shared. For me, it was like, I don't know, I feel over time, I had a whole lot of experiences that kind of validated what he was talking about later on in my life. But this was long after he came out. And even we didn't have any clue that he had a top secret clearance or cosmos clearance or anything like that. He said he went into the NRO back in 1969, just when he retired from the Air Force. So he goes into the book, which he wrote back in 2003. Now, before that book even came out, there was the disclosure project with Dr. Stephen Greer. So that's a really pivotal point in any form of disclosure that we're related to UFOs, secret hidden agencies, things like that, where all this stuff is taking place. So that happened in 2001, in May of 2001. And our grandfather was one of about 20, 21 odd witnesses that went. And Dan Willis was one of them. We actually interviewed him. I was finally able to meet him, which was great at Mount Shasta last year. And anyway, so the disclosure project happened. And that was kind of swept aside because 9/11 happened shortly after that. But our grandfather, we had no idea he was going to even go to that conference and or that press club hearing. And we had no idea like he was involved to that extent. So it was amazing for us as teenagers, you know, about to go to college. And that that bomb gets dropped on us, like by the way your grandfather was probably involved with some really high level classified stuff. So we were kind of already set in our ways, you know, we're going to go, you know, have normal college and then corporate type of careers. And so me and my brother both became engineers. We kind of live normal lives. But in the background, we've always had this information and we've always questioned what's really what, how much of it is true? And only until the past, I'd say two years, especially 2019, 2020, when a lot a lot's happened, you know, in the forefront, in the public domain, where all this conspiracy kind of stuff and disclosure information starting to come together and people are seeing it on a massive scale. So it just started to validate and confirm so much of what our grandfather shared within his book. And the book is it is like the conspiracy. It's like the, I don't know, the culmination of all big conspiracies of the secret government, underground bases, talks about the grays, talks about particleization, which is like teleportation, mass particles to waves, almost like Tesla, that quantum energy technology, light technology, the Star Wars program, weaponizing space, all the German technology, all the Nazi hidden, hidden secret space stuff going on, the dark fleet kind of basically where that started. He doesn't go straight into the secret space program in the book, but he kind of leads in that direction. He's kind of like showing you, this all happened way back in the '40s, '50s, '30s even, and it all just was building up. So he was kind of saying, look, this is what they were doing then. So imagine what they're doing now. And just so many things shared in that book, it's hard to go into all of it right now. But we can try to try to shed some light on some of it, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The challenge for us is that when that book came out in 2003, our grandfather had started having a couple of strokes by that time and his health was really deteriorating. And he passed away a couple of years later. So at that point in time, we weren't able to really have good conversations with him about the book or talk about it or have him elaborate or go into depth on anything. So it's really unfortunate the timing of all that of when we found this out. Besides, when we were younger in the '90s and just some telling us stories when we go visit about New Mexico for the summer and hearing him talk about Nazis and Antarctica and different things like that. At that time, I didn't know what kind of questions to ask him or I didn't know if I truly believed it. And I shared some of that with my friends one time and I remember they were just like, their minds were blown. And it was just like, I didn't realize like, people don't really talk about this kind of stuff. It's not really accepted or I guess as the truth, the people are really skeptical. So I never really talked about it growing up beyond the conversations that I had with him directly. So it's been a long journey for us, finally seeing this stuff come out over the last 20 years and finding, corroborating information. And it's really exciting for us on this journey to have this kind of backbone of this information from him and then just to see where everything lines up as things fall in place and we discover more on our own. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So tell us what you know. What did he share with you? I know he's Derek said you had more personal experience with him. Did he pass anything on to you guys personally or did you learn everything from his book or what did that look? Well, I'll say like, Dan, I kind of want maybe you share, you should share some of the stuff that he kind of said and it's kind of like, you know, I'll let you talk about it. But for me, it wasn't those one-on-one conversations. He kind of left me in the dark and he kind of just said, hey, you should go into the Air Force. I really want you to go. I was geared ready to go. Like, I was the alternate for the state of Virginia to go to the Air Force Academy. And luckily that I kind of just pull, because it didn't happen, I said, all right, it's all there nothing. So I'm going the other direction, which probably saved my life in a lot of ways. But anyway, after not 11 happened just at that time, I was graduating high school. But I'll let Dan talk about he's like more conversational pieces and then I'll tell you about more personal experiences. I guess that makes sense. Yeah. That'd be great. Yeah. Yeah. So like I said, this is going from memories over 20 years ago when I was a teenager. And one of the main stories was about the Philadelphia experiment, about time travel, using the radar, underwater in the 1940s. And people coming back with parts of their body and the ship's hole. And, you know, that he was trying to tell me about particleization, departicalization, and what ended up being time travel through that event. That had been the first time I had heard anything about that. He told me about a hole in the ozone layer down in Antarctica from atomic weapons testing that the Nazis were doing and that they also had built UFOs. They had their own craft and technology down in Antarctica and the secret base is down there. There are a few other stories, my mind's kind of blank now. But a lot of that had to do with the history part of it, like the World War II stuff and the Nazis and the development from there and the technology and how that came to be. And then his encounter he had. So I guess we can talk about that. He talks about a new closure project with Dr. Greer and his book, his first encounter in the Air Force. He was at-- what base was that from? Warner, Warner Bobs, or the Air Force Base, yeah, in 1999. And he was working a radar team. And they were supposed to be having strategic air command doing these just tasks and running things to see if they could pick it up on radar. And they saw three ships flying out over the horizon visually. And then they went down and they caught it on the several sweeps on the radar. And then they were watching it on the-- just completely vanished and disappeared. And they were able to calculate, based on the radar sweeps, that it was probably over several thousand miles proud when it left the area. And they were told never to speak of it again. And he eventually from there became a part of the original project, Blue Book, and on that team of disseminating false information and convincing people that it wasn't real when they saw these things with a military. So I do remember him talking to me about that. And that was all good. A lot of it just blew my mind. And I was so baffled and didn't know what to believe. Right, well, if you don't have a reference-- Those are the-- If you don't have a reference for any of that stuff, it is mind-blowing, especially if it's coming from a family member, grandfather. It's interesting. I've heard that-- I forgot who else talks about the whole Neo Zone layer was created from an atomic testing. But I think who knows what they were actually doing. I think they might have been more than testing. I think there was part of a battle that was going on that had something to do with Operation High Jump. From what I've heard, I don't know exactly what's going on. But you can't talk about the Secret Space Program without going to World War II. So it's interesting he had all that knowledge. And we really have to remind ourselves what we already know here. We have people like him, and like the old timers, like William Tomkins and stuff. They were talking about this stuff in the latter years of their life. And they were-- which means that they were involved in this stuff at a very young age. And this has been happening for a lot longer than we think. So Derek, what were some of your personal experiences over them? Well, I'll tell you-- yeah, I'll tell you a couple. But there's one-- well, for one, like, get this. Like, think about it. Now you hear about-- you know who Phil Snyder is and talked about the Deep Underground basis? Sure. Oh, yeah. Well, just imagine you're like a teenager. I was definitely like, even maybe barely out of middle school. And just hanging out. I'd go over there every summer to Taos, New Mexico, where he lived. And when I was at the about that age, and there was a couple friends of ours that were about the same age, we would hang out, run around, and just have fun. I learned how to drive out there before I should have been driving, which was fun. But so anyway, I'm like a young teenager. And my grandfather has a lot of strange, interesting people, I'd say, come by and visit and talk these discussions about these random topics. And kind of like more the hippie movement, it was kind of that way out there. It was kind of like New Age. What if you want to call that? All those people that were not accepted in mainstream society, that's where they would basically go and create these earthships. Yeah, there's stuff. Taos is like a mini Sedona, basically. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Especially in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s, it was still very much that scene. And so anyway, I would remember just going, seeing these people come to the house. And one time, I remember watching a VHS tape of Phil Schneider talking about the dums, and just going deep into it. So it was like probably right after the conference where he gave his talk. And so I mean, I knew he was my grandfather's heavy into that stuff that early on. That just stuck in my mind, and then I knew, wow. I mean, now this is a big deal once it came kind of mainstream in the scholarship world. But I remember going to a lot of road trips with him. We went up to Delcy a couple of times. And I remember one trip, he was-- and he would say little things, you know? Like, I don't remember how long drawn out conversations. And like my brother said, I wish I knew what questions to ask. I wish I just knew because it's one of those things where unless you know what to ask-- if you don't ask the question, he's not going to just come say the whole thing. So that kills me to this day. I'm like, my god, we could have great discussions if I was in my right mind and aware of what was happening. But anyway, going to Delcy, he's like basically said, there's a lot of interesting stuff that happened out here. I think that I just want you to be aware of that. That's kind of why we're heading out through this area. And as we get in towards Delcy, this unmarked big SUV starts coming straight up behind us right on our tail. And my grandfather's just like, OK, that's the sign. We better get out of here. Like he knew that was them saying, get away, get out. And I'm pretty sure he knew he was probably always tracked throughout his life and later on his life. But I remember even like I think there was a helicopter in that situation. I remember maybe once, at least, and maybe twice. But I remember like black helicopters kind of situation where I was in some area. And for no reason, it seemed to go fly by a couple of times wherever I was. That happened once or twice, and that I remember. But one of the more strangest things that have happened around my grandfather-- and this wasn't-- well, he was with me. But I was at his house, and it was the middle of the night with the friend I was talking about I would hang out with. And we literally saw this. It's about three in the morning, full moon. He lived out in pot Creek. I'd just say that's where that's where his house was. And it's just little-- this highway, the small highway out into the mountains, out way out in the mountains. Like on his high desert house. So heading towards the mountains, we walk out to that highway and look towards the full moon right above the highway. We start walking in that direction, and we just see this figure, this a silhouette, because all you can see is the silhouette with the moon shining from its back. And so it was just this upright lizard. That's all we can say. It was a giant upright, at least six foot, whatever. But it was like running towards us. I mean, you can't mistake that for like a bear or some other-- like a deer or something. Like we-- they hunt all the time. I've been around the woods long enough to know the difference, but we saw that thing. And we were just like, we got to get out of here. So we booked it. And it was like-- you know, that was when I was like 15. And what do you do when you have-- when something weird experience happens in your life, you kind of just forget about it, right? You kind of just block it out or just say, that didn't happen. So that's basically what I did for most of my life, until you start hearing about people talk like David Icke and others talk about reptilians and things. I'm like, OK, well, that makes more sense. I mean, like, wait, this stuff is real? Yeah, right, yeah. You should have told me that happened. And I could have titled this episode, "Chased by a Reptilian at Age 15." Yeah. You know, they count on the masses to forget what they see, you know? We were just-- I'm just listening to some old Captain Mark Richards interview, and that's what he talks about. They count on the masses to forget, because they know that we have a fear of not fitting in. So we want to fit in and don't be really-- Or to be too afraid to speak out about it. That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, so like, you know you had an experience, but you're like, no one's going to believe me. They're all going to think I'm crazy or on drugs or whatever. So you just don't never talk about it. And then it creates this false illusion that, oh, no one's experiencing these things, because no one's-- hardly anyone's talking about it, but they're all afraid to talk about it. Right, so the fear of not fitting in. Like, you don't-- because you want to be accepted by society, you don't want to be an outcast, so you don't talk about this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that's really interesting. The other aspect of it, too, is just think about all the people that do have these experiences. And we're like, I'm crazy. But a lot of them are-- they're young. They're probably doing smearing with drugs and taking drugs. So people are just like, oh, you were just high. You're just on this or that. But I can tell you, for sure, I didn't smoke anything then. I wasn't even drinking at all then. So we were totally in the right mind. I had to witness my friend that said that happened, you know? So-- Right, yeah, that's the program response, because I just did my first ever radio station interview here in St. Louis. It actually went into the studio. It's being broadcasted on FM radio, whatever. But I started telling one of my stories, the first question they asked me, were you drunk? Were you high? Right. They immediately want to get that out of the way first, because it's like, I don't know. It's like a-- Well, that's where everyone's mind immediately goes. Like, oh, you must have been on drugs. First of all, how many times does this stuff happen to drunk people, even? Like-- Exactly. But it's not common, even if you were. Yeah, and if you were. Yeah. So can you explain, maybe, your understanding of his clearance, 38 levels above top secret? Like, what does the president have in regards to that? Yeah. So-- Your parents actually have a little-- You have an image. That would be perfect. Yeah, I found a chart that I looked up at one point in time. But the president is like at 17, level 17, restricted, confidential, secret, top secret. And it keeps going up. And then the president's in the mix up there somewhere in the-- in the top secret crypto faction of it. And then there's several ones near the top, like, cosmic, and stellar, and majestic. It's like the very top, but-- Right. And I've heard that-- And I've heard there's even more-- like, even one above majestic, you know? And that's the thing that people don't know. Yeah, people that still compartmentalize, you think you're at the top. Like, he thought Cosmos was the top level. You don't know about the other stuff above your head. So that's why it's like foreign to some people, like, I guarantee the president of the United States doesn't know what, you know, what the president for her of Congress are giving you. Right, right. It's funny you said 38 levels, because David Wilcock would always say he would get from insiders. There's 35 levels above the president. So that's close to that number. So it seems like it's somewhere around-- that's a lot of levels above the president. And it's funny because the illusion-- the illusion we're sold is that the president is at the top of the chain. And that's so far from the truth. It's not even funny. Right. They're at the-- they're like way down, way down. They're like a middle-- somebody called-- a president's are like middle management that are like way down the chain. Right. And I would guess that-- I mean, I don't know if this is true, but I've heard people say that Trump was probably read in a little higher than the average-- I believe that, I believe. If he was involved in the whole queue operation and all that stuff, don't yell at me, guys, for mentioning it. But even him, there was still so much above. That's why I'm-- yeah, I'm even there probably. I can read you actually this real quick. He had a whole Star Wars city chart, which I think that some colonel came out within late '90s that actually shows like Cheyenne Mountain, a NORAD, all the connections with the president, Magi, a national reconnaissance office, which they in a row that he claimed to be a part of. But it says here, there exists a cosmic queue, level 33. This is Magi, M-A-J-I, which came first. Then there is Majestic 12 and J-12, which is level 32 and came later. I'm Victoria Cash. Thanks for calling The Lucky Land Hotline. If you feel like you do the same thing every day, press 1. If you're ready to have some serious fun, for the chance to redeem some serious prizes, press 2. We heard you loud and clear. So go to luckylandslots.com right now and play over 100 social casino style games for free. Get lucky today. At luckylandslots.com. No purchase necessary. VGW Group, void rep prohibited by law. 18 plus, terms of condition supply. In aircraft secret, manufacturing, there are directors at 31, level 31. Then on level 30, we have the officials of the Wachenock Group, the double up boys, followed by a elite group of the Snatchersnuff, who gets orders from the Secret Service. There are 38 levels to top secret. So it kind of explains that a little bit. Right. Yeah. So even-- and that's where we see all this contradicting information, because some people forget, especially guys who have a clearance, they forget that it is compartmentalized. And they think that they're read in and they know the ultimate. No, I would know about this. We just talked about this in our last episode. And we have to remember this when we're sharing information, when we're learning stuff here in front of people, and like, well, this person said this and this person said that, yeah, but they're getting information from two different, completely different levels, you know. Yeah. And that's such a big deal. I want to make sure we try to say that when we have guests or when we're talking about any subject. It's like, don't take our word for it. We don't have all the answers, for sure. But every one of us has a piece of the puzzle, a piece of the story. Like, there's no one person with all the answers. And as soon as you hear that person say that, then you run the other direction because it's bullshit. It's complete bullshit. I'm sorry, it has to be. Like, no matter who you are, you, like all the great masters say, I'm just an apprentice, I'm just an apprentice, I'm still learning, I'm more a student than a teacher. All the great masters will tell you that because that's true. That's how life and ascension and progression all come into play. Well, and the master understands that their student is there to teach them also. Right, right, right. And the more you, the more knowledge you gain, the more you know how much you don't know. So it's almost like your awareness of your ignorance increases the more you know, and the more you grow and knowledge and wisdom. So the fact that anyone is saying it would be alluding to, like, oh, I basically know everything or if that was true, I would know. That just shows you how like unevolved they are. I mean, I'm sorry to say, but like they're, and they're massively like, their ego is, you know, consumed, consuming them. Yeah. So in regards to this symbol that's behind you guys off camera or before we went live, you told us this actually has something to do with your grandfather, can you let us know about that? So this is actually how he got his initial, you know, he had his initial counter that I just described earlier, but he had further and further introduction to classified programs through big mama Mandelbrot. He actually worked beside him under him and while he was in the Air Force in his early part of his career. And that's how he, you know, that gained confidence within that group that they were allowed him to know more and gain access to higher level projects as he went through the years. But it started with him and they were working on a climate control type stuff in the... - In English. - In the first space, yeah. - Yeah, the tenure they have down there for climate control operations, yeah. - Well, when Air Force Base, did you say that was a cut out for a second? - Oh, it's England? That's in Florida. Yeah, Florida, like the Air Force Base, EGLA. - There's a lot down in Florida and the entire coast, Cal LA, California, there's a lot under sea bases, they're portal stargates, you know. That's what I think of whenever I see that too. I think of like a grid system of portals and stargates stuff too. - Right. - Now, I was just gonna say too because of, I mean, it's a very, I'll just tell you, it's crazy the stuff he said. I always said back when I read the book, like if 2% of this information or 1% is even true, it could change the whole world, it could change everything. You know, how much is tied into him? That's still the question and we're still trying to find that out. I'm actually still going to the Freedom of Information Act and trying to get evidence from NRO and Air Force. And I think I'm making progress, so I'll just maybe get an update to you guys later. But just to say like his background, when you're adopted or you're a foster child like he was, when you, you know, it's just you don't have as many ties. And I think back then when there was so much of the sightings taking place, maybe it was easier to try to bring people in or just, you know, do the assessment and see where they're at. But he was also a Mason. We know that because our mom was actually part of like the sister, the Eastern Star, or whatever the further women that would do that. We have his apron that he did have. He claimed his great grandfather was a 33rd degree Mason. Like, and I think that was on his adopted side, his foster side. So like, there was these connections he had and I think that, especially with the masons, if you have any connection like that, you're going to usually get ahead or you're going to get accepted a little bit quicker. So I think I'm going to. - Yep. And being adopted, that fits the, that fits the mold, whatever I'm trying to say, perfectly for the super space program. - Yeah, yeah. - Description, fits the description, whatever I can't think. But it's true. I think that they target people who are in the foster care system. And we know this actually, but because a lot of the whistleblowers and experiences talk about this, you know, and it makes sense. Well, there's a whole theory about children in the foster care system and the pod people. I don't know if you guys have gone down that rabbit hole. We might do an episode on it coming, but essentially it's like the theory where a lot of the people in the late 1800s and early 1900s were actually grown in pods. And that's where like the whole cabbage patch kids actually represents like children being grown. - Wow. - Yeah. And there's actually a lot of evidence to support this. And they were even, even the world's fairs, like had children and incubators, they were on display. Like they had the technology. So we know it's not the technology is not a theory, but apparently it was a lot more common in widespread. And that's where all these foster homes, like they just put these children in foster homes because they were literally growing them. Now that's a crazy theory, I understand, but it's possible. And there's no doubt that some of these people, when you don't have a family, you can be used for anything. No one's gonna know you're missing, you know. - Don't tell me looking for you, right? - Yeah. Definitely all these missing children, like I hear it like, Montoni Rodriguez was talking. And some of these people that they just remember as kids, like how many would just disappear? Like thousands of kids, like, and it was normal. Like how in the world is that normal? And how is that not like addressed on a massive scale across the nation? Like, hello, like, can we stop doing all this other shit and figure out what's going on with the kids? Like that's great. - Right. - That is insane with that happen. And it probably still happens, but back then it was definitely, yeah, it was known. It was known far, far away. - So in the book, I can't wait to read this book. I wish I had read it before we'd done this, so it could be a better interview, but I'll just let you guys explain. Did he get in detail about like, races of ETs, or did he go that far or not? Did he even talk about the ET presence? - Yeah, Dan, I don't know if you want to say much about it, but I think more or less he talked about the grace. And I'm not sure how much, he said there was different races. He said there was the Pleiadians, the Zeta Reticuli, the Orion groups. He did list them out. He didn't go into a lot of detail, but I know in talks there's interviews of him actually we found later on, much later, from the '90s where he's giving some testimony and he talked about the grace more than anything. So I know in the early days that's what they were dealing with, those crash retrievals in the late '40s, '50s. Mainly it was the grace in those agreements that happened one way or another, behind Eisenhower's back with MJ12, things like that. So he addressed all that, but I think the grace is what he really talked about more or less because that's where a lot of technology transfer stuff was taking place in the early, early days, too, so. - Right, right. And maybe some of the Trojan horse stuff, too, you know, I think just happening. - Right, did you have anything to add to that, Daniel? - I don't know, he had jogged my memory a little bit about talking about the grace. When I was in college visiting over the summers, he would tell me about the grace quite a bit and that was a lot of what he was really familiar with was working with the grace. And I also remember now him showing me VHS sets of like actual UFO footage, it was all like black and white. I don't know, I don't know where he didn't, I don't remember where he said it was from, but I remember him showing me that. And yeah, definitely he talked about ETs all the time. That was his main thing. - Did he ever give his opinion on what he thought the grace were, like, or not? - Like not personally to me, but I do not remember the videos he's talked about how they were, most of them were droids, most of them weren't really actually biological, like they were just suits that they would wear to come here. They would, it was almost like and droids, that's the only way they could, you know, get around in our atmosphere, stuff like that, different topics like that, so. - Right, and Captain Mark Richards used to talk about the blue grays. He said the blue grays aren't the same droid minions that we hear about, they're actually an organic gray that most of the time they live in undersea bases. So it's really in workgroup. - Right, no, I was just saying the term gray, I think gets used a lot, but there's all these different types of grays or zeta reticulans that get all lumped into this one term gray. - Right. - There's the tall grays and there's, like the android ones that you're talking about, and there's the ones you're talking about. The Eben's, the Conti, that two walkers. - Right. - There's all these different races and some are more. - The Mitra. - Service to sell for our next, we call it negative, and some are actually benevolent, or at least neutral. You know, so. - And I don't like people always just trying to, of course, we discriminate against our own human race. So of course, we're gonna do that with any alien species. So I don't want to just say like, oh, when it's good, when it's bad. Like, of course, you're gonna find a mix of everything, you know? - Yeah, reptilian, same thing. There's like Draco and the negative. - Well, and the negative ones, and then there's actually benevolent ones. - And the interesting thing is if you listen to people like Mark Richards, Max Spears, James Caspol, they talk about at the very top, the white hats, the black hats, they're reptilians on both sides. They're just a good reptilian and a positive reptilian. All right, negative. So, and like, one of them has aligned with the humans. The other one is like the draconians, the Draco. So we don't ever consider that. We just think, oh, all the reptilians are bad. When technically, some of them are, we're actually aligned with some of them. And the way they describe it is, it's a war for the planet among a bunch of different ET groups. And then we're just kind of caught in the middle of it. So, and we're like, we're the other side of that war. I guess it's up to us to like overturn all of that. And, you know, take the planet back for ourselves. But this is just concepts that we don't really consider most of the time. We just wanna paint everything as black and white, you know, good and bad. - Sure, exactly. Yeah. - And he actually said, I remember, I remember he had like a hot tub. He'd go out in the back, in the back porch and he'd get in the hot tub. And he smoked his cigar, he loves his cigars. And he would look up and you'd see a Ryan spell. And I remember he said, that's where I came from. That's my home, something like that. So he aligned with a Ryan somehow for one reason or other. - Yeah, he was very spiritual. He was very into like Native American spirituality, being out there. He had some Native American ancestry in him. And he was really proud of that. And so, he thought a lot of that and it tied a lot into what he was, you know, doing in the UFO side of things and in the cosmos and the stars and associating it with that spirituality side of it. - How old was he when he passed away? - He was almost at all the same. - Yeah, yeah. - With the Lucky Land Sluts, you can get lucky just about anywhere. - Daily Beloved, we're gathered here today. Has anyone seen the bride and groom? - Sorry, sorry, we're here. We were getting lucky in the limo when we lost track of time. - No, Lucky Land Casino with cash prizes that add up quicker than a guest registry. But in that case, I pronounce you lucky. - Make for free at LuckyLand Sluts.com. No purchase necessary. BG, W.G.A. Boyd were prohibited by law. 18 plus terms and conditions apply. - Well, yes, in the 1970s, I think you have some running. - Yeah, well, it says in the obituary as I had to just go look it back up. He said he was born in 27. So he died in 2007. So 28 or 20. So yeah, but he was already-- - It would be 80 then. - Yeah, but he was 79 maybe? - Right, right. So like, when he was about to be here, he said he was 75 when he, and the book came out in 2003. So he was really kind of on his way out as that time was already approaching. So like we said, by the time the book came out, you couldn't really make sense of anything he said or if it was half true or what, because he was degrading so quickly, mentally and physically. - Sure, sure. It just makes me look forward to the future because these guys talk whenever they're retired. Mark Richards did that. Well, he was wrongfully imprisoned. William Tompkins, your grandfather, this is all post-retirement. So imagine what we're gonna get from the guys who are active now that are once they retire. Like by the time we hear about all this stuff, like they've already moved on to so much more, they don't even care that we're talking about this. - Exactly. - Yeah. - Exactly. I think that's where, that's where we're at. Honestly, that's where we're at and I think to like, yeah, there's no way they can hide any of this. The floodgates are about to open up. So yeah, I think if we can see that happening all over the place, yeah, just in a nutshell, but I totally agree with that. I was something else I was gonna mention about. Oh, the first time he talked to us about this stuff, I remember he sat us down. I was only like 10 and my mom said, "Hey, come into the kitchen. You probably have something to share with you guys about his UFO experience or some experience in the military." So that's when he officially first came out, at least to the family and said, I was a part of this back in the late 40s, early 50s and he talked about that first experience. And of course, as a kid, we listened to that. I was like, oh, that's crazy. Okay, I'm gonna go back out and play outside and I had no idea what to do with that information. So yeah. - You know, it's planting that seed though at a young age, which I wish somebody would have done for me, you know, but it did that because we all find our way eventually. But like being introduced to Phil Schneider, it's a young age. I mean, I didn't learn about him until way down the road. And by the way, there is a great documentary that tells his entire story. It's called Operation Underground, I think, on Amazon Prime. It's by Darcy Weir. - Yeah. - It's a fantastic documentary. It just tells the entire Phil Schneider story and it includes gruesome photos of surrounding his death. But, you know, because he wasn't, he didn't kill himself. And it's very-- - Of course, he's taken out. - Right. - Yeah, he explains that. - The both of them, Darcy Weir's other documentaries, Secret Space UFOs, they're really, I highly recommend those, just tons of information. - He did another one on TR3B. - TR3B, which is really good. - Yeah. - Sorry, good. - Awesome, awesome. Yeah, now he does explain that how Schneider was basically strangled with piano wire, and it's supposed to be a suicide. It's like, how is that possible? And he goes into Forrestall, big into the MJ-12, how it started, how Forrestall wanted to basically expose it all. And that's why they threw him out of the mental hospital in Baltimore or Bethesda, wherever that was. And he never, he was, he based, that what he said in the video, he said, you know, he never, what it was, he was alive when he, after the fall, he was still alive. Well, the fall didn't kill him, but they never let him get up alive or something like that. Like, that's how we framed it. - Sure, that's another thing. He talked to me when I was the teenager about Majestic 12 a lot. Like, everything was about Majestic 12 at first, and I really didn't know what that meant, or I'm sure he tried to explain it to me, but at the time I couldn't, I didn't really grasp what my concept of the government was not that evolved to know where that fit in or what anything really made sense. So kind of, I remember that language, Majestic 12 though, and him talking about these people in there in charge of UFO's and all this stuff, and that it just didn't click for me until obviously, you know, now. - You know, it's hilarious to me that we even have to have a debate with some people on the subject. Like, on the possibility, do they exist, you know? - Yeah, like we're so far beyond, you know? It's like, wait, there's people actually still trying to figure out if UFOs are real? Like, that's such a real happening, yeah. - Right, like, we're still trying to figure out, come on, guys, let's move fast. Like, yes, it happened, it was real. It is a real, they're here, let's move fast, all that. - The problem is, is like, it could easily be introduced into the education system. And we can learn about it. - So easy. - And it wouldn't even be a question because it's coming from the schooling system that people are already trusting. But since it doesn't come from the universities and all that, we have to argue about this and debate about it, but it's everywhere you look and books like this one and the information that's out there, it's overwhelming. The evidence is actually overwhelming. It's laughable that people still don't believe in this stuff. But I think, I mean, obviously, I think every day that percentage is getting higher and higher because, I mean, you're just not gonna be able to ignore it at some point. - That's such a good point. I mean, we've all been brainwashed through our education system. And we see how they're literally dumbing us down. Every generation by generation, it's so obvious. I don't know how people, of course, we see it. But I mean, some people just say, no, no, we're still the greatest nation in the world, you know? The USA, we'd never harm our own people and do wrong to, you know, that just, that irritates me, of course, it frustrates people that see the damages done, right? So, and we don't want that to happen to our kids. And that's, I think that's me, why me and my brother now are fighting to really talk about it because we're at that point where we have to raise our kids in this crazy world. Like, let's try to fix it now as much as possible, right? - Right, and you know, that press club in 2001 was a pivotal moment in ufology and disclosure. And that, I mean, that's undeniable. I remember watching that online in like 2010 or something where I finally found it before it's news.com. - Yeah, I remember that. - That's like it's around that guy. - Yeah, but I remember CNN being so blown away back then, just like, wow, you know, it was a pivotal moment. And people like have a problem now with Greer being tied to it because, you know, Greer has this narrative where there's no negative ETs. And obviously like, come on. - He might be controlled opposition. - Yeah, he might be, but if he doesn't think there's negative ETs, that would-- - That, yeah, that's kind of a big red flag. - That's a big red flag. - But that being said, he does a lot of amazing work. His documentaries are amazing. You know, he did that, he did disclosure project in 2001. So you kind of-- - Don't throw the baby out of the bathwater, you know, within Greer's-- - Dr. Greer is definitely a badass. I wanted people to know that he is a badass and he's fought for his life to stay alive. But I do feel too, like, you know, he's careful what he says and what he should and shouldn't say. And I think he comes out with information when he knows he's okay to come out with it. And maybe this push, the push he's in is what they've allowed him to do. They said, well, we'll let you run with it, but, you know-- - You can't say this, yeah. - Yeah, don't do this, don't do that. Like, I think it's obvious the way that that's being played out right now. - Right, like John Warner just said in our last episode, he heard that Linda Moltenhau was told she could talk about the cattle mutilations, but not the human mutilations. Like, so they're like, hey, you can talk about this, but not this. - She was probably threatened, I'm sure. Like, if you go outside this box, you know, you don't want to do that kind of thing. That's a lot of people out there. - And, you know, we don't actually know what's going on behind the scenes, so we can't just, like, paint anyone as the enemy or control opposition, 'cause there's a lot more involved than just that. - Right, yeah, definitely. And I remember I met Greer, I was trying to get information about our grandfather and, like, the actual unedited versions of the film footage she had, which he kind of just struck me off, 'cause he had his contrast. It was the premier, it was the, whatever you call it, the premier of the Sirius in LA. And I was in the after party event or whatever. And David Wilcock was there of all people. - Oh, no, very nice. - And my God was an idiot for not, like, realizing how a connection he had with a factual event disclosure project. And the fact that he interviewed our grandfather, I had no idea when I saw him there and said hello, and I said, oh, my God, thank you for all you do. And I didn't ask those questions because I would have gotten so many answers. So we're still trying to find out to this day certain information that David Wilcock knows, that Emory Smith knows, 'cause he filmed our grandfather in this disclosure project. And we talked to Emory Smith one-on-one and kind of just haven't been able to contact him again. So all these little pieces that are there and they're like, got our grasp at our fingertips. And we're like, okay, we'll get there someday, but. - Yeah, David, David always thought about it. - I forget which David Wilcock book it was, but he mentioned, he referenced our grandfather like three different times throughout the book. It was, I think this is the book we found. - Ascension, Ascension Mysteries. - Ascension Mysteries, yeah. - That's an amazing book. David always talks about how he was at disclosure project in person and he said, that's where a bunch of, I think multiple insiders like came up to him after that or at that and started. And like one guy, I remember he said, came up to him. He's like, you're about 85% correct or something. And he's like, if you go get some food with me and I'll tell you the rest. And then he started talking to him and, yeah, he always talks about how he was there. - Did he say who that person was? I remember that, but I don't know if he's. - I can't, he did. I think in that book, he does. - Real quick, I want to thank Maya. I believe that's how I would say that. For the donation you gave earlier, I didn't get a thing. - Majora. - Majora. - Thank you so much for the donation. We really appreciate that. Jack, it reminded me of Jack said, do you have enough to buy eggs after donating? It's funny. - Yeah, I mean. - That's an interesting topic. - That's true. - It's clogging your butt. Actually, we probably shouldn't even, eggs are going to be the next word to get us censored on YouTube, right? - You can't date, you can't date, right? - Right. - Yeah. - We actually, we briefly met David Wilcock at Contact in the Desert in 2019. And he sought our grandfather's book for us. And he was telling us that he remembers meeting him and talking to him at the disclosure project. And we only had like five seconds to talk to him 'cause then he, the next people had to come in. - Sounds about right. - We'd love to have more conversations with him on anything about our grandfather 'cause it seems like he did have some, some more interaction there that we would love to know. And the same thing with Dr. Greer, I'd love to hear about it. - Yeah, if you guys can get us some content, every time we talk to somebody, we're like, anybody have a connection with these people? So we can actually get some answers, like that would be great. - We tried to get connected and we were like, you know. - Yeah. - He's a hard one to get connected with. - Right. - That's the only thing. - Yeah. You know, and everybody has their opinions about a lot of these guys now. But like you said at the very beginning, everyone has a piece of the puzzle. We always say it too. And you know, they've done a lot of groundwork to pave the way for us and we can't forget that. And we have to be grateful for that. - And no one's perfect stuff. - Yeah, exactly. And it's actually good to hear about this stuff because it reminds us that we're all human. We all make mistakes and we don't need to be so hard on ourselves either. - Don't put anybody up on a pedestal. Don't make them your Messiah. Like, that's the whole-- - Don't do it. - That is the opposite of what you're supposed to be doing. And apparently, that's when a lot of these other, these higher and highly evolved advanced beings that are trying to help us stay. Like, you know, stop trying to worship us. We did that for a thousand years. Let's move on to the next level where you guys just are one with us. We can, you know, start, you know, having real conversation, sit at the big boy table, stop playing with nuclear weapons in the sandbox. Like a bunch of little five-year-olds. Like, not killing each other. - Right. - Yeah. That's how I look at it. It's crazy about sick. - Right. - Eggs. - Eggs, baby. (laughing) - Yes. - Exactly. - I wanted to say when we were talking about, you know, Phil and people being killed for talking about this, I didn't know this until just recently it was, so if you can't tell, I've been re-watching all the Captain Mark Richards interviews, but apparently he was friends with Robin Williams. And he says that Robin Williams did not kill himself. Hey there, it is Ryan Seacrest with you. You wanna make this summer unforgettable? Join me at Chumbak Casino. It's this summer's hottest online destination. They are rolling out the red carpet with an amazing welcome offer just for you. So don't wait, dive in now and play hundreds of social casino games for free. Your chance to redeem real prizes is just a spin away. Care to join me? - Sponsored by Chumbak Casino, no purchase necessary. VGW Group, void were prohibited by law, 18 plus terms and conditions apply. - Wow. - Yeah, and Robin Williams' wife was actually getting upset with Robin because he was communicating with Mark in prison 'cause Mark's been, you know, communicating with everybody via prison, he has a life sentence. - Right, yeah, Kerri and Kerri went into that. - Yeah, yeah. So, but he was friends with Robin Williams and he says that there's no way he killed himself and there's a lot that doesn't add up there. And his wife didn't want him talking to Mark because he, she was afraid of that. So it's really interesting that, you know, we get to so freely talk about this stuff now. - Yeah, yeah. - Because people were being killed, but now people are just being mind-controlled and it's a different way. - We kind of take it for granted now because we're, yeah, it's just how it is. Like most people now can, there's too many of us talking for one thing. There's no way, like David Wilcox would always talk with. He's like, he's like, you have nothing to be afraid of 'cause there's, there's no way they're gonna be able to take out everyone that's, and there's too many. And they also don't wanna, they don't wanna validate, especially if you're an insider speaking out. Well, now that you're out in public the second they take you out, they're gonna be validating all of your information. That's the last thing we want. - And you know what I'm thinking about. - So they're not gonna do that. I'm thinking about too though, like somebody like Robin Williams, like Mark Richards said that he knew secrets, obviously if he knew Mark, he knew stuff. But when a celebrity talks, it holds a lot more weight than any of us say. - Exactly, exactly. - A lot of influence over a lot of people. - Just like what Elon Musk like him or hate him. Like what he's doing with the Twitter files right now, we can do a hundred episodes about it and it won't get any attention. The fact that a big name says anything, like it goes so much further and it has a global impact. So that's why those people are probably targeted a little more than us, but still. - And definitely on the subject of child trafficking and all that, that's well seen, that's all the main musicians and actors like you said. The ones that are really gotten killed lately are the ones that we're gonna speak about that. - But they get them before they start speaking about it. That's the key here. They hadn't come out yet. If they already had come out, then they kill them, then they're validating everything they're talking about. Notice how all these suicides happen before they're able to come out talking. - Right. - And there's the key. - And there's a difference between us sharing what we've learned compared to somebody sharing inside information that they personally experienced. And they're like, listen, here's what's going on and here's the names of the people involved. Those are the ones who are dangerous. - First hand, insider, right. - Right, right. - So that just brings up one real quick note that during the disclosure project, during that conference, the press bill appearing in 2001, our grandfather was the only one that when he came up on the podium to say what he knew, he froze. And he, like Dan Willis, told us what happened. And he said, he literally just froze and just started to do this high pitch like shriek. Like, ah, and they just had to walk them off. They're like, sorry, this old, you know, this guy just, he kind of broke down. He completely broke down and did not want to say what he had to say. He left early. He called my mom and said, come get me. I don't want to be here anymore. Like he left early, 'cause I think he knew, like it was not good if he said anything else. - Wow. - That's that big deal. - I mean, luckily in the disclosure project, you know, DVD cassette thing or if you get the videos that Dr. Greer put together, you do have footage of his interview, some of it was interview before they went into the press club. But yeah, it was definitely verified when he got up there for some reason. - And I almost wonder if that was somebody triggering that within him too. We know that they have, if somebody's involved that heavily, that deep, they probably have implants and they probably can be controlled. And like, who was it? Clifford Stone used to fall asleep. - Clifford Stone, yeah. - He would like, every time he would try to say something important, he would fall asleep. It was almost like a trigger or something that was like embedded in him to stop him from talking. - Yeah. - And Tony Brad Riggs talks about this a lot. Like sometimes as soon as you're like, thinking about something, it does something, your brain, like, it's almost like a pro. - It's almost like a problematic response. - Exactly. And it makes you, all of a sudden, like the way Tony describes it, he's like, you'll be wanting to talk about this and all of a sudden you're horny and you want to go, you gotta go take care of that. And then you forget about what you were doing. So like-- - Or you're in pain or you start feeling sick. - And this is our calling of sleep. - And this is definitely verifiable if you understand mind control, trauma-based mind control and voice of God, technology, because that's not just voice to scall. They have the ability to affect your entire body and nervous system and do things exactly like that. - Can I read this one paragraph, but actually sums up in this book. I just, I find gems in this book all the time. I'm like, holy shit, he wrote that. But like, so he was just talking about listing all these bases. He said Bill Schneider knew 129's bases as of 1995. And imagine how many there are now. He listed at least, I don't know, 30 of them. But some of them we know, like some pine gap Australia, there's a whole bunch. But after that, he says, "There are projects within projects within projects "by a weaponry, genetic engineering, "cloning and implant technology, "intelligence-controlled medical facilities, "genetic population control, mind control, "remote engineering, remote technology intelligence, "sonic weapons, beam weapons, plasma weapons, "and so on and so on." Like, he just was saying all, like, it's there. - And imagine the capabilities. - Yeah, yeah. - Right, though. - He really did, I don't know. And again, we, how much he had firsthand knowledge of is what we still don't know, we might never know. But the fact that he had all of this compiled somehow, and I always say, he wasn't like some guy sitting behind it, computer when the internet just came out, like searching for all these files. Like, he must have had some of this access to some of this already somehow. And it shows a little bit. - Exactly, I mean, like, showing us video VHS stuff in the '90s before, you know, he even had a computer, the internet was even a thing. So it's like, you know, he knew a lot of this stuff. And as far as like being triggered and having that response that he did when he was at the press club, we talked with Dan once a little bit about it, but very potentially they could have, you know, activated that somehow, or even been responsible for the strokes that he'd suffered like, multiple times after coming out with this information, you know, that's kind of a nice question, too, about the many strokes if that was triggered from him starting to talk too much, a little bit, really. - It could have been. - And that's how it would look nowadays compared to like, you know, literally killing somebody or murdering them. Like, they don't need to even be involved. This can all be done from a satellite via space, direct energy weapons. - Right. - They can target you through the planet. I mean, they don't even need to have a direct line or a site, apparently. - Yeah, yeah. - And, you know, in this. - Only other thing was the license plate, Dan, did you? Well, that was another thing that I just thought of. The license plate he had, I don't know if it can be seen. Like, so he said it was like a gift from the inner row when he-- - Yours is cutting out on your screen. - Is that how you call it? - No, no, it looks like you're showing us cloaking technology. - Yeah. - You like to check out this cloaking technology. - Oh my God, okay, no, but apparently he says it was a gift from the inner row when he left, and it says-- - I got curious, he was in the-- - Yeah, go ahead. - The Department of the NRO that he was in, he was a member of the scientific and technical unit of interplanetary phenomena in Washington, DC. And that's, actually, we never heard any reference to that anywhere except recently we had Brad Olson on our show. And Brad Olson had that in his, in one of his books, I think it was-- - The Augusto Terry? - The Augusto Terry. And he was referencing it from Captain Corso talking about Roswell, that unit actually went in and was responsible for, you know, covering up a crash that happened a couple of years before, and they were active back in the late 1940s, quite a bit, and that's, you know, that's where he claims that he worked in the NRO and in the National Conference Office at the Department. - Yeah, so a lot of the information that Clifford Stone talked about in those projects, like Project Grudge, Project Sigma, Blue Book, obviously, and then he talked about Moonfly or Moon Dust or something. But a couple of them is what our grandfather talked about, and of course, it was in the early days that taking place, right, so. - And every project you just mentioned is in the John Lear Report that came out in 1987 also, which I have a copy of, it's fantastic. Actually, there's a link to it for anybody who's interested. There's a link to that report on our website, which is in the description, the John Lear Report. It has more disclosure in that report than anything we've gotten in the last 30 years. I mean. - Yeah, there's a lot in that. - And that he's is another one, you know. What's really happening, he just recently passed, you know. - John Lear did. - Yeah. You know, we should do like some sort of commemorative episode for all these guys and, you know, compile some old interviews and like, it would be cool. 'Cause there's a lot, man. A lot of these guys paved the way for us. And you know. - Definitely. And I feel like, I always say it. I mean, especially if they were CIA at one point or another or any intelligence agency, like they, I think they knew where they could go, where they were allowed to take some of the information and where they knew they should probably back off. Like I could, you can see it. Everybody has their like lane that they stay in for some reason when they talk about stuff. So I feel like that that's on purpose almost. I don't know. - Mm-hmm, absolutely. - Well, some of it's based, like that might be all they know. - That's right. - But then other people like will say, I can't touch on that, you know. And it's interesting you mentioned your grandfather had a certain way of like, these military men, they speak a certain way. And they don't tell you things unless you ask the right questions. And I know that from dealing with some of these guys. And yeah, it's true. Like, if you don't know about something, like if it's only, you know, after the fact, when you're like, damn, if I had known to ask that, yeah. - It's almost like they know they're not allowed to tell the stuff unless you ask. - Right. - Unless they acquire about it. - Right, yeah. - Well, that's part of, yeah, that's part of the, what do you call it? That's part of the code of whatever it's something. It's almost like, I feel like that's almost a Masonic thing too. It couldn't be anyway. Like, did you call it? - Apparently, it's a stipulation of some NDAs. Like, you can't talk about it unless you're asked directly. Like, you can eat, if somebody says, well, you know about aliens, you can't say anything. But if somebody says, well, you know about the tall, gray Mitra who signed a treaty with President Eisenhower. Then you're like, okay. Like, you have to ask, you know, Zach. - Yeah. - The questions, right. - I want to give a shout out to Bill Cooper too. He had a lot of praise to Bill Cooper. And I followed him very heavily, you know, the fact that he was killed shortly after exposing 9/11 and saying, you know, you know, this was all done by our government. And also, we've been lotting was going to be the, the target is the scapegoat. And then, of course, he died right after that, but. - Right after that, right. - Yeah. So, like Bill Cooper was huge inspiration. My grandfather said he knew Bill Cooper. He was kind of a mentor to our grandfather in a way. So yeah. - You know, you're going to have to send me some of the old videos with him. I've never seen any interviews with Bill Cooper. - No, no. - Oh. - With their grandfather. - Salto. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We kind of, I've compiled a few. Like, can I even try to like splice them and put them into my own? So I can try to get you that. And we're, we're even trying to get the, even in his book, there is a bibliography. It references his own UFO files from 1995 in VHS format, which I don't think it's only, his only little stack of VHS that he had. I don't know if it was the copies that Nancy Redstar probably has, who helped write the book. But anyway, we're trying to get that still off VHS into digital. So my brothers haven't. - I have a, I have a question. - Yeah. From my, I'm starting a bunch of things for my mom and I found a lot of just a, like a treasure chest full of VHS tapes and old books and notes that he had and stuff from his career in the military. And I'm trying to convert these VHS to a digital format. I've been striking out like every little bias I buy to try to do it. So eventually I'll get there and I'll, we cannot finally show that information, but yeah. - And it's cool. You guys are carrying a torch. You know, I'm sure he's proud of you guys. And you know, you have a mission. You have an actual mission to get this information out and figure out everything that he knew and everything that you can. You know, I'm sure you could read that book a few times and learn something new every time. And like, you know, light bulbs will go off. It's going to be an interesting journey. And we didn't touch upon the last chapter. That's the last thing is the wing makers. And I don't know if you guys are familiar with that. - Well, dude, tell me everything you know right now. I'm so fascinated with the wing makers. (laughing) - It's a rabbit. That is a huge problem. - I'm going to Shaco Canyon in a couple of weeks. And that's where the cave there is where the original wing makers materials found. And I've been called there right. So tell me everything. (laughing) - Well, he tried to go there himself from what Nancy Redstar said. He tried to go and they basically just told him, get out, you know, you're not allowed here. So he was big into that. And he knew, he made that the last chapter of his books. So we know that it held a lot of weight and the ACIO in that organization. He mentioned that the only one in this closure project to mention them and give that, you know, some validity there. And we're trying to really search for answers there. To go to the wing makers, it's too much to even begin. Like we think for sure it's linked to, you know, the NSA then to the ACIO and blank slate technology. I think all that was the onset of what the secret space program stuff became and the 20 back programs, I think it all sort of came out of that, a version of that anyway. I think it's all linked in a lot of sense to that topic. - I know you've read the wing makers website you had to have, right? - Sure, of course. The new reader interviews, the new reader interviews are great information set. We did a whole series, go watch the some of our shows. We did two episodes on the wing makers exclusively to try to decipher all this stuff. And it's still like, you know, at the end of the day you use your own discernment. I think they're trying to hide the truth in plain sight and they're trying to make it look like, you know, a nice artistry, creators story. And of course, James has changed his story from the beginning of the site. And somebody's done a very good job of telling you how it's changed over time and how James has kind of said, you know, this is just all, just all my work. I came up with this just for your benefits. - You have to find me or go to the original link, the original wing makers that hasn't been edited to get the best meat of the information, I think. - Right, yeah. - Yeah, we used that way back machine to find the original website and find, you know, the exact exact original that came out, yeah. And I put that link in one of our, under one of our recent episodes where we were talking about it. And I don't remember now, but if I find it again, I'll throw it under this one, that in particular, you know, people have heard me say this before, but the reason I found wing makers was because of a dream I had. I didn't even know what these were, the wing makers was a thing. I had this dream or what felt more like a recall. It was so real. I was on mission on another planet with this group of time travelers, we called ourself the wing makers. - Oh, wow. - And we had, we were flying one of those dragonfly craft that you see in Dune, like it was identical to that, except this was a water planet and like all this, all the facilities were out on the ocean, like on stilts. And we had been caught and we were being taken to like, be held as prisoners at this one facility. And we tried to escape, we didn't work. Anyway, but we would use rocks, like we would use like local stones or crystals as actual time travel devices. And like, because each crystal is data, it's a record keeper. And that's how we would time travel in this memory. - There's so much truth to that. There's so much truth to that. - But when you go to the wing, the ACIO website, they talk about the extremely advanced device, like a stone that they were, that would be used as a time travel device. And like all these bells were going off. And I was like, these light bulbs were going off. And then I was synchronistically guided to Chaco Canyon and like all this stuff. And I'm like, there's no accident. Like, I don't know if I have a connection or what, but I have to go and find out. Like maybe I'm gonna get a download while I'm there, right? - Yeah, yeah. That's, you should definitely follow, follow your intuition, man. Do it. I hope, I hope all the, I hope you're safe though, whatever you do. (laughing) - Right. - Yeah. - You're not supposed to go over there. I don't care. - Yeah, that's fine. - Yeah. - I'll come back, right? - Now that the one thing that we don't know, and maybe you're curious too, because they mentioned that there's seven of these around the world that the Chaco Canyon is just the first that was discovered and we, and my grandpa said, we'd find the others when it's time to find the other ones. But there's a lot of talk about these space arcs. So I'm always curious, like, is there a direct link to that? Or is this another version of that same activation that we're supposed to all, you know, as a planet, find at the right time? And yeah, there's so many links that, you know, I don't know how they overlap, I don't know. It's interesting. - Yeah, and I've heard about that, like other caves, but they specifically said other caves, didn't they? Like we're-- - Other sites. And then the new, and that said, I don't know, 'cause it's the newer site that actually shows you all seven of where these sites are. - Have they listed that? - Oh, I didn't even know that, 'cause I haven't gone to the new site. I just kind of, I was like, I don't even want to like-- - Yeah, I did. - Ask myself with that. Just give me the original stuff, so. - That's how I've been forever, yeah. So, but-- - I think the most fascinating thing for me was the philosophy of it, where they went down. When if you read the interview that Kirit Cassidy did with James the guy who was like the webmaster, it's, I mean, it's amazing how they go through and they include aspects of the Anunnaki and this whole thing about, you know, our soul's incarnation and everything like that, and our spiritual journeys and what we're doing, it's a pretty epic philosophy to learn about it. It's really amazing. - I mean, the material is, yeah. It's something that definitely matters. - I'll tell you this much too. Like, think if you want like a, if you want to really, really step back and like, you know, there's like layers upon layers of deception and misinformation and these other higher dimensional levels that we hopefully will get to, there's still, there's still a lot of misinformation and disinformation among them, among them, these beings themselves, like how far we think it goes. We, you know, we can't assume that we know and it's just, there's just too much. There's so much to talk about on that. So, I think it really opens your eyes up to what's really possible, yeah, what's really out there. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, the misinformation is interesting because like, where does the truth start and the lie begin? And that's for, that's why the individual journey, you have to just go on that path of self discovery and like kind of let your body tell you what's true and what's not, you know? - Right. And that's the other part of this. Like there's no one correct way to go on the journey. This is your own personal journey. Everybody has a different path. They have to go through to validate or confirm like this is, this is true, this is my truth. I just found it, but that was the trigger for me or this book or this video, whatever it is, like your life is meant for a purpose to go and find those things that hear us journey that you have to take to find that. And so, I don't know, I've had to definitely go through that. I've had some crazy experiences and like, I've had a Kundalini experience that happened like after the conference in 2019. That was a pivotal moment. Like they kind of validated like everything that just happened. I was like, something was coming down to tell me, like you're on the right path, like keep doing it. Like this is the truth. You're, you know, you don't second guess yourself, things like that. - Right. Yeah, like just direct knowing is how like James Gilman says it and I love that. It's like a direct knowing. I always see those big foot stickers to say believe. I just want to, I just want to see one that says like, no. - No. - Yeah. - And we can connect with these beings ourselves. That's the thing. Like some people are waiting on disclosure and waiting on them to be like out in the public. Like, oh, I can go and talk. Well, you can already connect. You know, you just gotta figure out how to do that, you know? - And Dolores Gannon, like that reminds me of her. And the fact that she had so many cases, of course she didn't have her own direct channeling. It was all information from her patients, from all the hypnotic sessions. Yeah, all the sessions she did. And she, the way she said it was like, you know, if you wanted to communicate with us, if you're an advanced lead race, how better would it do it than to incarnate into these beings themselves and say, you know, you know, well, basically they're integrating into us and saying, okay, this is why we're waking up and just saying, I know this, this is a part of me somehow, you know, one or another, but. - Exactly, we have that direct soul lineage, that connection. We can't quite put our finger on it because of the amnesia, but we know like, it's in our DNA, it's in our makeup. So there's some things we hear where you try to explain to someone else like how you know it's true. You can't really, like, man, I don't know how to tell you, even if I told you you wouldn't believe it anyway, but some reason, like I just know this stuff's real and he can't tell me otherwise. - Right, right. - 'Cause we're all involved and some of us might have like bleed through our subconscious memories of being in these programs and stuff and maybe blank slate, like maybe we've all been blank slated. The wing makers guy, the reason he came forward and found that journalist was because he was quitting the organization and he made the stipulation for quitting was to be blank slated, but he didn't align with what they were doing anymore or whatever the story was. So he went and found this journalist told her everything because he knew he was gonna be blank slated. And he's walking, he might be walking around like, no idea who the wing makers are, you know? - That's why, that's exactly why it's like hard to know, is James really James or did Neruda actually get blank slated and he's, you know, that's why he got it out when he could, you know, now it's now it's a subject direction that's going on, you know. - I never thought about that, yeah. - That's why Carrie Cassie told us, we interviewed her last time and we talked a little bit about wing makers 'cause she had that interview and she said that James is Neruda. She thinks that he is the guy, so. - Oh, so maybe the updates on the website would be a little more valid if it was actually him. - Again, this is all, it's all up to you. It's up to your own discernment, take it as you want. But yeah, we just did Carrie Cassie interview. I think was really amazing and we touched on like AI and some political stuff too, but that's the one reason we're postponing to get you guys. We did do a show with you guys and we're gonna have it out and swear, but it's right after Carrie's, we're coming out actually Monday, actually tomorrow, so. - Hey, nice. I'm about to go on a trip to Egypt with Carrie Cassie and I'm not actually, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - That's so cool, there's so many connections. - I'm Victoria Cassie. Thanks for calling the Lucky Land Hotline. If you feel like you do the same thing every day, press one. If you're ready to have some serious fun for the chance to redeem some serious prizes, press two. - We heard you loud and clear. So go to luckylandslots.com right now and play over a hundred social casino style games for free. Get lucky today at luckylandslots.com. - No purchase necessary. VGW Group void were prohibited by law. 18 plus terms of condition supply. - I love this. I love being in this community. I'm so grateful for this. Like honestly, like we don't take this for granted one bit. Like we're not even just like being in touch with you guys and doing what you're doing and being able to share it on your channel. This is amazing. So thank you so much for that. - And thank you and please tell our audience a little bit more about your channel and how they can find you and what you guys are even doing just because they might not know and we didn't really touch on that. - Okay. Yeah, we're on Infinite TV and we, it shows called "Tread the Veil" and we go through anything that has to do with disclosure, the Great Awakening type stuff, spiritual stuff, kind of the whole gamut of just trying to go behind the scenes and wake people up to what really might be happening in the world and kind of following our grandfather's legacy to the disclosure and trying to get stuff out there to people so they can hear these things. And we kind of just stumbled into this. It was, I think, Derek, you had a contact with Laura Eisenhower and she had you and Dan with us on one of her shows or something like that. I had been, the only reason we, I didn't even know the creator of Infinite TV, Arai Beckman personally at all. I have randomly tried to reach out to him on Facebook because I followed Henry Smith from when we saw him at Contact in the Desert and he had this new Tropic supplement that he was selling and he was actually partnered with Arai and I just ordered that stuff from the website and I saw, it was called Conscious Vitality at the time was the name of the website. And I saw some other content when Emory was with him and I think they've parted ways now, but I reached out to them at Arai at the time and I was like, yeah, my brother just had an interview with Flora Eisenhower about our grandfather. He was in the disclosure project and we thought, I thought it might be something that he could have on one of his shows or something and he turned around and said, okay, do you want to have your own show about it and talk about it? I was like, okay, all right. So it's kind of happening now. - Sweet. - Yeah, pretty awesome of a sense. Yeah, and that was, I guess it was 2020, spring of 2020. Let me know. - Yeah, end of 2020, I guess, maybe, yeah. - Yeah, we started the summer of 2020, yeah. - Great, man. Well, that's incredible. It's always exciting to connect with other people on the same path and the same journey and we all need each other right now more than ever. - Yeah. - And also, I was going to say, I don't know if you have a couple of minutes, but the ACI connection is pretty cool. And I don't know how much you guys listened to Peter, the insider and that side. - Oh yeah, oh yeah. I've actually talked to him personally recently and he had some really interesting stuff to say, but. - It's hard to follow some things. - Yeah, it's a character, yeah. - So he did tell us, I mean, he's willing to talk to us a little bit more and I think, and working with Jessica who has that basically, I think she helps run that facilitate the site. - Nice, yeah. - Official.org. And I think there's an Anthony Zender that he's on there a lot, you know. So I think it holds a lot of, I think there's some truth to that for sure. I think that I know it's buried out there, even into our world, it's a little bit out there, but I think people are going to start seeing where these pieces fit. And I know you've talked to either about soul splitting and fragmentation and things like that and how that is maybe all of us have gone through that a little bit, even if living in this world we live in, we have to have gone through that because we have to go through the normal day-to-day stuff that we're told. But at the end of the same time, we might be playing video games just to distract ourselves to go into another world, or we might be into all this UFO stuff and have a grandfather like ours that just kind of like put us on a path like that. So no matter how you look at it, we all have these fragmentations of what our reality is and we have to cope with that, whether a dream state, waking state, all this other stuff. So I thought that's interesting. I thought it's, I just don't, I wanted to get you guys to stay too because we're talking to Peter now and hopefully get him on the details. - You're from everybody? - We had a great-- - Go ahead, Daniel. - I was just saying, yeah, we had a great episode with Jessica from ACIO this past summer going really in depth about some past life experiences she's very intuitive about the real society and the Nazis and the pre-World War II stuff. And it was really cool. She went really in depth on a lot of the things that our grandfather talks about extensively in his book as well. Also it was a nice connection with her, yeah. - Yes, she's great, you know. And I've talked to a lot of people who, 'cause at first when you hear about Peter the insider, I have to, I was skeptical, I'm like, okay, like, what's the case here? But everyone I talk to is like, no, he's the real deal. Like, this is, there's something to this. And the more people, I haven't encountered one person that said, no, he's full shit. Now, I'm sure there's people that think he's full shit, but the people would give him the time of day and actually talk to him. Like I had a one-on-one conversation with him. You know how he has access to the ACIO database and he can pull up files and stuff and, you know, he shared some information with me that may or may not be true about myself and things, programs I'm involved in. - Right. - But when he told me my whole body started having this like reaction, I almost had an anxiety attack. Like I was remembering some of this stuff and I had to stop him, actually. You know, 'cause it was too much. It was too much. And like having that experience, like you have to, you have to ask yourself, like, who is this guy? Like, what's his actual involvement? But I've heard that like, he's possibly controlled also, you know, who knows what's going on. But what they're at the work they're doing, like him and Jessica, their channel's awesome. It's really deep. It's really out there. You know, you have to have some reference or baseline understanding of this information before you jump into the lengths that they go to, but. - Yeah. A lot of parallel realities parallel live, so time travel stuff too. It's crazy, but, you know, and that's what I, that's what I was gonna say. He even told us that, actually, Tyler. He said something before we started our show, and he said, you know, by the way, you and your brother might have been and this or that involved in something. And I'm not gonna go into that. Like, I wanna get more validation before saying anything. - I'm the same way. I'm not even gonna talk about it. Yeah. - Yeah. But that's exactly what he told us. And we're like, oh, wow. - Right. - Yeah. - Right. Unless I remember something, I'm not gonna talk about it. You know? - Yeah. - Oh my goodness. - Yeah. - It's responsible because what if it's not true? - What if it's not true, right? - Yeah, exactly. - You wanna know for sure. - Yeah, yeah. What's the channel name? Somebody is asking, I can't think of it. Jessica Morocco, that's her name, right? But what's her? - BCIO-official.org, I think. - No, no, no. YouTube, her YouTube channel, is that? - Oh, the YouTube channel. - Oh. - But the one she does with Peter all time. - Yeah, yeah. - And try to talk, and try to talk, since trying to net something. And try to net something. There's something to talk. - I don't think that's gonna help people. - Yeah. - That's the YouTube, when you go on YouTube, that's like the actual podcast you do, like in drawn a net talk, or something, and drawn it. - And drawn it, people are fine. - Like I'm subscribed to it, but I don't know. - And drawn it talks, that's where it's in drawn it talks. - Okay. - And drawn it talks? - And drawn the, you know, with Jessica, yeah. - Oh, come on, there's gotta pop up. Anyway, guys, we'll put the link. - It's not super sold to talk, like the stupid notifications come up all the time. - Yeah. - I'm using my phone as the video, so I can't pull it up for you guys. - Oh, right, I'm looking at you. - Let me see. Subscriptions. - Search. - Christians, Jessica, it's, yeah. - I think I got it. Yeah, it's Jessica. - Jessica, Morocco, and drawn it. And drawn it. - He talks. - He talks. - He talks. - Yeah. Anyway, we'll put that in the description for you guys. - Yeah, yeah. So I think that's the, that's kind of the direction we're trying to find out more about for sure. The link makers are a big part of this, one way or another, I guess, too, so. - Thank you, Asher's place. Yeah, she put Jessica, Ariel, Morocco. - Thank you. - And drawn it, he talks, yeah. Or he talks. But yeah, that's the YouTube channel. Thank you, guys. - Yeah, we had the, that channel too, and they say.org, they go deep into, like you said, they go into like how disclosures in every, all these video games, certain even Netflix shows. And it's amazing that there's a lot of connections for sure, people looking for that. - No doubt, video games, everything. And Captain Mark Richards talked about how he knew, he claims that, like, beyond a shadow to doubt that he said, at least James Cameron and George Lucas were fully read in, not fully read in, but read in on the E.T. presence and some of the secret space programs and extraterrestrial life and other planets. And that some of their movies, if not all their movies, are funded by actual certain groups of E.T.s. And the profits from those movies actually fund the secret space program. And that those E.T.s are involved in. He said that a lot of the Hollywood blockbuster movies are funded by E.T.s and the profits go back to the E.T.s for their programs and working with Earth. It's really, I mean, he says this, like, matter of factly, so I don't know. - Well, I can tell you, I can tell you one thing. I don't know how they would have made Avatar unless that was the case, 'cause in a way, like, you don't see any like disclosure movies like that where like the aliens are the good ones and the people are like, you know, so like, how could they do that and spend millions of dollars? They must, James's getting helped somewhere. - I think, I personally think that the Avatar beings that we see are like, maybe identical to an actual E.T. Like, maybe like we're getting a documentary from another planet that we just think we write it off as sci-fi, you know? - Right, right, right, I was for sure. And our grandfather, that was the other thing. He would say to off the cusp, like certain movies, he's like, go check that movie out. Like, this is a big one. This is a big one for disclosure. He would kind of into those things. So, you know, he said that a lot of movies were intentionally made with, you know, ties to government and tells, you know, as far as when you make this movie and it has to have this in it, you know? - Yeah, like Jupiter ascending, it's massive disclosure. - Whenever he said movies were funded by E.T.s, I thought that Jupiter ascending. I'm like, that's a total E.T. movie. - And apparently, who knows if this is true, but some scenes are actually filmed in underground bases or even off planet. Now, that's obviously hearsay. - I would doubt it. - But, like, sometimes we might actually be looking at a real E.T., a real off-planet civilization or a real underground base. - Right. - That we're not supposed to know about, but we just think it's a movie set. Like, Stargate, Stargate SG-1, total disclosure. - Right, right. - Right. - That the raptors are actually in Jurassic Dominion. They are the new ones. The drafters are actual. They say the actual actors are the, these reptilians, that's what she possibly can be. - I didn't hear that. I knew she said that they like to come in the movies, but I didn't know which draft the Dominion. - Yeah, she heard that. She heard that, she heard that, so, who knows if it's true, but that's true. - I heard it from John Whitberg. He said it also, if you know who he is, he's an SSP guy that we're in talks with heaven on the show, but he talked about the raptors being actually in the movies as well. And you just wouldn't know. - Yeah, who knows? I mean, I think that's what disclosure really is. We don't think it's happening, but guys it's happening. And it's gonna happen. Like, it's something speeding up quickly. And I, we always talk about the fake alien invasion and that part of how it's gonna play out. And we talked about that with Carrie, 'cause Mark Richards, or no, Randy Kramer said that even the good side, the White House might even be the ones to invoke this and cause it. I don't know, like, I don't, you know, who knows, but like, either way, like we have to be ready and cognizant of what could be possible, what could happen soon. - At this point, I think anything's possible. Like, like everything's on the table. Like, I don't count anything. I wouldn't be shocked if any of it happened, you know? And I wouldn't be shocked if none of it happened either. Like, who knows? - Maybe this is gonna be just a big, who knows? But like, I feel like we're here for a reason saying this stuff and there's more of us coming together. And it seems to be speeding up for a reason. So I hope we're getting prepared and helping people get prepared one or another. So, yeah. - No doubt, man. There's a huge wave. Like the ripple effect that we create just by having these conversations, having conferences, it goes a long way and that's why they get attacked and that's why channels get attacked. I mean, they know, they understand the power that we have. And, you know, disclosure, like John Warner just said, he, after all his research, he finally fully understands the disclosure has to come from the people. We're not gonna get it from the government in any way, shape, or form. Like, no matter, they're gonna give us what they have to tell us. But the real stuff, what's actually going on, like that comes from us. - Well, that's the control system. It doesn't make any sense. Why would the control system actually, like it's when you understand how things actually work and how this, you would laugh at the idea of disclosure coming from the government, from any government or the intelligence agency. Like, no, they're there to cover it up and keep this control system going. The disclosure is gonna come from the people that aren't in that or that are not attached to that system that are having these experiences and speaking truth. - And like I always say, they all have blood on their hands in this cover up anyway. And they're not gonna tell them themselves, right. So they're tiptoeing around trying to figure out a way to do this without telling them themselves and, you know. - Encriminating themselves, right. - That's the other thing I didn't say. The CIA did approach me when I was looking for work and they did want to see if I would be interested to join and I definitely, I was definitely like, that's probably not gonna work for me. So, but it was an interesting way to get in, yeah. - You're definitely in the secret space program. There's no way about that. - Oh really? - Maybe one of my alters is I have no answer. - But that's what I mean. Like your consciousness, like part of your consciousness somewhere, you don't get like the family connection, you know, almost joining the Air Force, CIA like-- - Check all the boxes, right. - Right, exactly. - Yeah, I think, I don't know if it's crazy. It's, it's, I'm still, but I'm so like nuts and bolts and I always have been, I haven't had like, you know, these things that happen where I had this being talked to me at night when I'm sleeping. Like that doesn't happen to me. So it's just very, I try to stay like with like what I can say as evidence is proof that, you know, this happened, this happened, but yeah. - That's the safest way to do it and the healthiest way to do it, you know? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And smart. And thank you Rob Sullivan for the donation. Thank you very much. - Thank you Rob. - Appreciate that. - One other cool little thing, if you guys wanna check it out, I, another thing I didn't share is like, I had JFK experience on a Norwegian board and I swear people think that's crazy, but like I had a full-blown like conversation that lasted, that was like 10 or 12 questions that went on. And I was with good friends that had no idea who, what kind of questions I was asking. So I know they weren't just like messing with me, but this was crazy. I have it all transcribed. I talk about it on the show, so people feel free to see that episode. - Conversation with JFK. - That's amazing. - Yes, yes. - Right, that one, yeah, I wanna hear that. I mean, you can tell us about it right now, unless you don't wanna talk about it. - Yeah, I mean, like just to briefly say, like some of the key things he said was, I asked, what's the main thing you wanna share with everybody, you know? Now, I didn't ask, but I too killed you because I think it's kind of obvious you did it. - Well, yeah, guys, the guys that tried to hire you, kill them, yeah. - So, no, I asked, so what's the one thing you want people to know? And it read dark money, it was dark money. And I said, who's dark money? And it was just the abbreviation EST. And I assume that just means the establishment. - You have much, man. - The deep state. - The deep state. - And so that's the one thing he knew that was probably gonna come, it's gonna be the downfall because it was the deep state of money, it was the CIA that was obviously wanting to get rid of any intelligence that had that access that he wanted to dismantle. He wanted to break up the CIA in a thousand pieces, as they say, so like, all that came to a head. And with the UFO disclosure, he wanted to go to the moon with Russia. He didn't want it to be a race, he wanted to be a joint venture. So, like, all these things were culminating right before he was assassinated. So, that was one thing he mentioned. I talked about, I asked about Forrestal and Eisenhower and Forrestal, he said, Eisenhower said something like, not to talk, basically Eisenhower said not to talk to him. Forrestal was like, I do a lot of things, he did a lot of things off radars, what Forrestal, what's he said about Forrestal anyway. He went on a rant at the end, and I swear, this is exactly what I was seeing as it came through, and what, after asking the questions, but it was a rant towards the end, and it was something like, votes don't matter for the people no more garish, which I don't know what normal garish is, and the great, great be Barnabas, some name, which I can't decipher still to this day. So, if people wanna help me out with that one, but it was just like a rant towards the end, and it was kind of just saying, look, yeah, votes don't matter, this is- - Oh, we know that. It's all a fake control show. - It's a show. - I just recently learned, the Tavistock Institute, who's responsible for all this mind control, and they really done a lot of studies on this, and implemented it around the world. Well, they've discovered in their studies that the colors red and blue overlaid create the illusion of alternate reality, and they kind of describe how it works, but then they use examples of like the 3D glasses, the red and blue, when you put them on, it creates an overlay of an alternate reality that you can't see without the glasses. - Oh, wow. - If they had the same thing as being done with the government, the red and the blue. It's all like an alternate reality that's like an illusion. It doesn't exist. Like the whole political arena is like a distraction. - And what color are police lights? - Right, right. - Police, yeah. Red and blue, yeah. - Right. - And wherever else it shows up, you know? - That makes sense. - Really interesting. Like I definitely think everything we're watching is like a movie, sometimes it's so actually, I mean, for crying out loud, the White House is literally a movie set now. Like, I mean, you can't even argue that. They've even showed footage, like it's not even a theory. So, like they're telling you, without telling you, like guys, you are literally watching a movie. And this is a scripted, like everything's scripted. Like the tweets from the president, everything, it's all part of the script. And people get irated by it and they're like trigger events that are designed to get you emotionally react when it really holds no weight in the meaning of life at all. Like, there's nothing to do with anything. - Bring out the killer piece or bring out the next pandemic or whatever, yeah. - I say bring out the quicksand pits. - Yeah, what's that mean? Like, my childhood made me think that quicksand is gonna be a much bigger part. - Right, yeah. - For the next two ones. - Yeah, and they also said that Red and Green were, they found Red and Green coupled together is the easiest way to program somebody. So, I thought immediately Christmas. - Yeah, oh wow. - I think of the programming surrounding Christmas and like the illusion of that. So, man, nothing is what we think it is, yeah. - Yep, Jordan Maxwell, Jordan Maxwell. Nothing works the way you think it does, nothing directly. - Yeah, big shout out to him too. - Right, exactly. Man, well, thank you so much for joining us tonight, guys. This was a lot of fun, it really was. - Yeah, this is black. - Is there any last words you'd like to add? Actually, there's something I would like to add before this. I wanted to say about the Ouija board, a lot of people have a problem with that. I think, oh, you're so many demons, you can't trust it. Personally, what I think, and I don't care what anyone thinks about what I think, I think it's just another divination tool. - It's a tool. - I think it's no different than using a pendulum. Like, I really think it's the same thing. You know, tarot cards, even essentially, like you're opening a portal. - It means you got to be wise about how you're using it. - Exactly, now the Ouija board has been demonized by Hollywood, maybe that's on purpose. So no one messes with it to connect to the other side because they think there's so many demons, you know? - This used to be normal. You guys realized how normally it was 100 years ago for people to do sances and do all this. And like you said, you cannot just play with this stuff. Be very careful. I wish I would have said that too. And I wouldn't play with it again, to be honest with you with it. - Right, thank you, UFO Mark. - Thanks, Mark, thank you. Exactly, be very careful. Like if you're using any of this stuff, like actually there's people that teach classes on this stuff, like how to properly use it safely. Like if you're picking up the pendulum, don't just haphazardly start asking questions. Like you have to have your own little protocol and ask, first of all, is it okay to ask a question now? Like if it says no, don't, that means the energies aren't right. Like, and then when you store it, keep it on like, they recommend keeping it like on Selenite or something to keep it cleansed because you're literally opening a portal every time you do that. It's not just like some, we don't understand. It's not a toy, it's not a toy. We had to clear space, like they did other sessions where their house became like a, I don't want to say haunted, but like a poltergeist. They had to clear space through the house. Like if you aren't careful, you'll let the wrong energy through and it's not good. So yeah, please don't go try this stuff, guys, unless you're, you know, you don't, yeah. - Yes, exactly. - Guys, if you missed out on the beginning of the episode, that if you're wondering about the T-shirts, Erin and I are wearing our friend, Mallory McKee Design these, and they are available at mushroomt.com. The link is below in the description. If you like them, go grab a t-shirt and support her work. These are incredible. And she gifted us these, she's a fan of the show. So thank you, Mallory. And guys, thank you so much for joining us. Is there any last words? - Thank you guys so much. - Anything you'd like to add before we wrap this up, either of you? - Dan? - Just, you know, thank you guys so much for having us and letting us be a part of your community here. It's definitely a privilege. And for people spelling infinite TV, it's I-N-F-Y-N-I-T. So a lot of people get confused with that, but. - I have that link in the description also, so. - And it's free to subscribe. Yeah, it's free to subscribe and then see, but you do have to subscribe and have a login to see all the content. But other than that, like, yeah, keep an open mind, obviously, follow your art, follow your intuition and discernment and do your own research. Don't listen to anybody else. But yeah, you'll find the answers if you search for it. That's it. - Amen to that. - Exactly. - Yeah. - And when you start searching, they kind of present themselves sometimes. - Exactly. - They show up when you're not looking. - You gotta meet them halfway. - Yeah, exactly. - Love it. - Love it when you are looking. - Love you guys. You guys are awesome, by the way. I really like this. - Yeah. - Thank you so much. - You guys are amazing. - Yeah, it's too bad you can't make it to the conference. It would be awesome to hang out with you guys. But yeah, definitely, we'll do this again, you know. I can see us working together in the future, for sure. And yeah, any new information, let us know. 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