I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I'm not sure if I have any idea what this is. I walked out officially. I walked out at the end of the '80s like '89-ish. I moved to LA in 1987 and for that year following they had me come back one week a month to do shows through '88 and then after '88 then I was hosting press conferences. I was doing interviews for them while living in LA. So my presence was sort of still there. But it was Kurt Loder that was happening when I exited. But I got great memories. It's really weird to talk about this thing being 43 years old. I think it's as weird for me as it is for the people who were watching it. You know, back in the day to go, "Oh my God, 43 years ago this launched?" And it was great. I had a chance to talk to not only a bunch of people who wrote to me, of course, on August 1st when the official launch day. It always winds up being a little mad online. And a lot of pictures, a lot of reminiscence. People love to put up pictures of me where I look like, you know, the guy from fame. So fine. It's fine. I go through that every year. But, you know, I mean MTV changed my life and lives of my four fellow MTV DJs. As I said on a couple of the interviews that I did on the first, it was MTV was the internet of the moment. You know, MTV was the tectonic shift and the technology shift. For people listening to music and listening to radio. So it was the same kind of shift. And still people are saying, "Man, I wish you guys were back on. And we should have MTV back the way that it was. And it would be so great." No. There's just no need for MTV anymore. We've got YouTube. What the hell do you need, you know, some video music channel when you can see any video you want as many times as you want whenever you want? Yeah, but come on, it was different. I mean, you guys were curating stuff and explaining stuff a bit more. And, you know, I always wanted to ask you this because I was a big SNL fan growing up. And the original VJs always reminded me kind of of that first SNL cast. You know, when watching SNL in the beginning, I never thought to myself, eventually they were going to change the cast members. Like, that was the show. Like, when you guys signed on, was it just, "Oh, we're MTV. We're always going to be MTV. Did you ever think, "Oh, no, they're going to bring in new people at some point." Well, we didn't know if we were going to have the opportunity to bring in new people. Who knew, you know, the thing could have crashed and burned in six months. I mean, considering for the first year plus, we basically had next to no advertising. They weren't telling us on the air that. So we weren't really thinking about that. I will say, though, as things progressed, you know, '84, '85. And, you know, certainly by '83, we had our footing. We were getting early on. We were getting news of, you know, in small markets around the country. Kids were watching and going into record shops, asking for records that had been out of the stores for years that we happened to be playing the videos on. So we saw the influence early on. And I think when it came, like, we had, you know, a couple of people wound up joining us. We did some, we had Kevin Seale. Remember Kevin Seale? Oh, yeah. We drafted it. I think it was, as I remember, maybe you remember better. He was an engineering student. That somehow won this contest and we put him on the air. And Carolyn Heldman, she was the first, not replacement, Vijay, but new Vijay. And she, I call her, and I talked about this in our book, The Forgotten Vijay. She was amazing. She was a beautiful girl. She knew her. She came out of radio. She was a programmer. And I'll reveal the truth on that. I think, I don't even know if I mentioned this in the book. She was amazing on the air. Why was she fired? Because she wouldn't shave her legs. She weirded everyone out. The executives. And they let her go. That's crazy. It's absurd. She so knew what she was talking about. She was great. She went back to radio and became a programmer. I think she was, was maybe still as in Aspen for years and years. But now we didn't think about being replaced. I know that Martha, when I speak with Martha Quinnen about this, she was devastated when things started to crumble. She felt, "I'm going to be here until I die." Right. That's what she felt. I mean, she started, she was 21 years old. You know, she was still living in the dorms at NYU. Mm-hmm. So it was her first real gig. Yeah. I mean, by the time Live 8 comes around, you guys are every much as big as the bands you're covering. It's true. In a different space. But yes. We were the conduit. You know, we were the link between the fan and the band. I used to say, "I had more airtime than Johnny Carson," because I was on the air seven days a week, six hours a day, in your living room. And people got to know all of us in a way that they, that you don't get to know the rock stars. But we were talking to the rock stars. We seemed accessible and people really picked up on that. And they sort of came through us to them and weren't shy about, you know, "I'd be just about to put a, you know, soup spoon in my mouth," and somebody would come over, "Hey, Mark! Can I have an autograph? Hey, man!" Yeah. Sure. Let's put the spoon down. But I mean, we didn't think about being replaced. And we didn't even, you know, in the beginning, we were just hoping we would last. And then on the other end of it, when I left, officially, when I officially quit in '87 and moved to LA, and I was wondering really how long MTV was going to last because everything was changing so much. There were great things happening. I think what Kurt Loder did, he's, you know, a guy who had chops, he knew what he was talking about. And I think a lot of people tuned in to what he delivered to MTV. But that was kind of a big change to hire someone like him. And the other change that happened a couple of years before I left, which I thought was huge, was Linda Corradina came in. She was hired to head the news department. And she created a real news department, and we started to get real news stories. She helped us ease into rock the vote. So the influence that we had, the connection that we were making with people, I was so proud that we decided to do something like rock the vote, like, okay, let's put this to some use. Let's get some people registered and get them to think about what's happening in the world around them. So that was, that was really great. We're to look back on it now though. And everyone asked me, everybody that I spoke to on the first. So what do you think about MTV now? I don't even turn it on. I don't think anything about it. I'm not even sure what channel it is, but it's interesting because, you know, when you leave MTV, MTV is still very much what MTV started as in a lot of ways. The time I was there from 95 to 2015, so much change happens. Like when I came to MTV, it was still pretty much what you had left with the addition of Kurt and MTV News, which was phenomenal. But then reality TV comes in and you get the real world and then you get the anime would beavis and butt head and then TRL and then there's less video, actual videos on the air, more content, more programming, not to say that that was bad, but it was definitely changing and constantly changing. And then I think when the internet really took hold and social media started happening, I think MTV was kind of like trying to figure out where all that fits into it and it just got quite crazy. Yeah, that's, that's exactly right on the evolution of things. It was MTV just as designed when I left and when JJ left and Alan and it was that. But something happened during the last couple of years that I was there and that was the MTV is designed was a radio station on television, you know, it was always there, tune in whenever you want, you'll catch some videos, you'll hang out, it'll be whatever it is. But towards the end of my official time there and like 85ish, they started to realize even maybe 84, they started to realize that people, no matter what we wanted, people didn't use television like radio and we found that when we did dial MTV, I hosted this phone in, you know, request show, suddenly dial MTV was on every day at five p.m. Eastern. We saw the numbers go up for that and we started to program more television. That was television shows that had, it starts here and it ends here and that was a change in the way people would perceive MTV and the way that people would would watch it. That was a big thing. And then, you know, I apologize over and over again. I'm sorry, reality TV is MTV's fault. We screwed it up. Sorry. If it wasn't so damn cheap to produce, it wouldn't have happened and that's why it continues to happen on television because it's cheap. I don't know. I don't understand it. I know that people love it. I don't get it. For my money, that was the beginning of the end of MTV and I got a daughter who's going to be 32 this year and when she was a teenager, you know, 14, 15, I didn't stop her because I'm not that kind of parent, but I didn't want her watching MTV. There was nothing on there that I thought was going to be beneficial, not even music. So that's my take on MTV. These days is that there's there's nothing there to watch for me and I think that they're finding that. So where they go, like in 10 years, are they even going to still be here? We say that every 10 years, but we'll see. But I mean, you do so many events like the 80s, crews and 80s in the sand and stuff. And when you go to these things, is it just because you must forget on a daily basis how big MTV was and how much a part of it you were. I mean, to a gen X generation, you're our declar and on a daily basis that probably is not in your head. But then when you go to these events and see that does it all come back? It does. And we are, you know, me and Alan Hunter in particular, we do these events 80s. You know, it's called the sands now in November and the 80s, crews in March. And we keep on going, what, when is this going to end? I mean, the nostalgia for the 80s is as big now as it was 10 years ago. And now it should be like, there should be, we're ready on in time now for nostalgia for the 90s. But it's not, I mean, there, I think that there is, but it's not the same. There's something about the 80s. I don't know what it is, but people are still in looking back. It was a beautiful, carefree time and really cool and music was great. And you know, people have this sort of feeling about the 80s. I mean, on the other hand, Reagan was in office. Interest rates were insane, wait, it was like twice what they are now. There was all kinds of covert operations going on in Central America. I mean, it was a crazy time, but yet we look back and it looks incredible. Well, because no one cared about all that because they had MTV and everything. Because we had MTV on MTV, but it's funny when we always wrestle with that. Why are the 90s not, you know, embraced in that same way? And I think part of it is in the 80s, all of the bands had unique, very unique styles and looks and the 90s, all the bands start to look like us, like normal people. And there's less of that kind of, you know, flash to it. And there's less of that identity that, you know, everything just seems to kind of just blend into it each other, you know. In the 80s, aside from the several songs about falling in love and being in love during a nuclear holocaust, right. All upbeat, by the way, all very upbeat, all very, that's what I'm saying. They were all really upbeat. And in the 90s, and I don't, you know, a lot of what happened with Grunge, I really like. But Grunge was like the opposite attitude in a way, it was heavier and it was darker. Well, and it's hard to be nostalgic for, even though that music may have been more based in reality and telling you about the harshness that's going on. But it's hard to look back on that fondly because it's so intense and it's so deep, you know, whereas you could look back at "I'll Melt With You" and think, oh, this fun song, you know, or "Love Balloons" and it was a great song, you know. Yeah. It's true. It is true. But I mean, through all of that, look at what happened. I mean, Carson Daly, his show, and what he did live on MTV, really defined that decade. And hats off to Carson, the most successful former VJ. And he had an office, one office away from mine and, you know, another guy who started in radio. Oh my God. Well, yeah, well, he started, you know, same way, kind of you did, in a lot of ways. He was working at K-Rock in LA and the reason, the way, and you probably know this better than I do, because you were there, the way that he got his gig is they started to call him in LA at K-Rock to go and host these beach house things. I was working at another radio station at that time that was in the same building and we would get off the air at the same time, Carson and I. And I would bump into him like, in a lobby. When we go and have cocktails, and one time he was like, "Yeah, MTV called me, man. They want me to go down to Long Beach or something and host this thing. What? Great. You should do that. Go. It's going to be amazing." He's like, "Yeah. Okay. I guess so. Yeah." Because he was a radio guy. He didn't think in those terms. Same as me when I've been, until I first heard about MTV. And look at what happened. He is the quintessential successful post-VJ. Totally. And, you know, he had to, you know, he had to pivot pretty quickly because you go from radio where you work in a specific format, and now he's hosting TRL where wonder you're talking to Britney Spears, the next day it's Marilyn Manson, the next day it's Eminem, and the next day it's Jessica Simpson. And he had a bobbin weave through all of that seamlessly. And he did a phenomenal job. Yeah. I have nothing but respect for Carson Daly. I got to say, he's really did a great job. And what an amazing guy. And the same thing. People don't know this name as much, but a guy named Andy Schone, who was the program director at K-Rock in LA. Yeah. He's working there. A similar thing happened. At one point after I got off the air, Andy called me into his office and he goes, you know, I got a call from MTV. They're asking me to come and meet with them. I don't know. I think it's right. I'm like, Andy, go, you should go and be there. And it turned him into, you know, a superstar in the music business, he's super connected. But, you know, in retrospect, look, I think everybody wound up in the long run. I think everybody wound up benefiting from MTV, who was associated with MTV, you know. There was not only us, the talent, but the artists who were involved. And the people behind the scenes, it's really incredible when you start to, if you get connected to crew on, not only on Saturday Night Live, where the guy, one of the stage managers is a guy who was our stage manager for years and years. And he has been there. You see him every weekend update, you know, you see him. So a lot of people who were our staff went on to have real jobs, except me and you who sit here now and do a podcast. I went back to radio, man. That's the way I look at it. True. True. And we did have another career before this one too. So that's true. So happy birthday, MTV 43. You never look better. You don't look a day over 42. That's it. I'll tell you what, we're not done here. We've got some more to do. We're going to cover some music news. Big stuff, man. We've been waiting for Aris Smith to come back out on the road. That's not happening. More on that after this on Sound Up. Stay right there. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. I'm going to show you how to make a video of the "Smartphone" on the phone. High-five Casino lets you play your favorite slot and live table games like Blackjack with the chance to redeem for real cash prizes. High-five Casino has a giant selection of over 1200 games including hundreds of exclusive games only found on High-five Casino. It's always free to play and free coins are given out every four hours. Ready to have your own High-five moment? Visit high-five casino.com. That's High, the number five Casino.com. No purchase necessary. Avoid where prohibited by law. Must be 21 years or older terms and conditions apply. Welcome back. This is Sound Up with Mark Goodman and Alan Leitz. Alan, not with us this time around. He's dealing with some pretty intense family stuff that we send love to him. He will be back next week. Before we jump into music news, I mentioned Aerosmith not going on tour. I wanted to quickly mention a couple of shows that I saw over just the last couple of days. The first one happened towards the end of last week. Matt Nathanson, who is a friend of ours that we've had on the show and we had him on years ago on volume, on our debatable show. Matt Nathanson is on tour with a little help from my friend's tour. The order of the line of depends on what town you're in, but here in New York, Matt opened. The second act was Switchfoot and the headliner was Blue October. Matt was great. Really phenomenal. He has a bunch of songs that for some reason people don't think of right off the bat. They think about come on, get higher, that's his big hit and maybe one other. And he is nothing but a joy to see in concert. His band is great. He's like a stand-up comedian. He's hysterical. And he jokes about not even remembering what he says on stage. He's just spewing stuff and having fun. So he was great. He's got some great new tunes out. Switchfoot. Never seen him in concert. They were pretty good. They have some tunes that I remembered. Blue October, I got to say, I miss Blue October. I couldn't stand anymore. But this is a place called Pier 17, which is a legendary venue in New York. It is South Street Seaport and it's on the East River and you see the Statue of Liberty. You see Brooklyn. You see Manhattan, these towering, towering buildings all around you. It's such a stunning place to see. I posted a couple of pictures from the show that I went to over the weekend. I saw, well, I went for ZZ Ward. You may remember ZZ Ward. She's certainly a blues singer, but writes her own songs and has been around for, I want to say, 10 years. We played her like crazy on the spectrum when I was working on the spectrum on Sirius XM. So she was there in a bill that was pretty busy opening Robert Randolph. I didn't get to see him because it was pouring rain and I love him, but I couldn't stand in the rain. It cleared up. It got to be incredible and ZZ came on stage and it's a full-on blues show, top to bottom. That's what it's about. And she is on the verge of putting out a blues album as well. She's totally segwaying and leaning hard into that and she's got the voice to support it. If you haven't heard ZZ Ward worth going and looking, and she does a couple of her older tunes in the set as well, I put the gun down, the headliner slash and I hadn't seen any solo stuff. I've never seen him with the conspirators and I haven't seen him play live except with Guns N' Roses. I'm sure you're a slash fan, right? Yeah, totally. And I think he's an incredible guitarist and the band is phenomenal. The band is so good. What I came away with though, and they do some covers and it's all blues. What I came away with was, wow, dude, you can really play fast. Every song was about these high speed runs, which are great and impressive and was side note somewhat odd that the dude, I know he doesn't sing, did not say a word the entire show. He didn't say a word. Slash is very much a guitar player. He is not interested in being the front man, though when you go see Guns N' Roses, he is probably more upfront than Axel a lot because he does so many solos. And he's so just energetic on stage, but he is such a great guitar player. And I love that he's doing this blues thing, but it's not like he totally changed. He's a blues guitar player in general. I mean, even in Guns N' Roses, his solos are very blues melodic. Even the faster ones still have that rooted in them. He's just so good live. He is jaw dropping. No question about it. This guy is one of the greatest guitarists alive today. But like I said, what struck me in this format, in this straight up they wanted to do straight up blues. And look, the orgy record that he just put out is blues covers. Admittedly, with some really interesting, you know, like Iggy Pop joins on one of the songs, and it was greatly vocalist. But it's a blues record. And so I sort of came away feeling a little disappointed in that he didn't lean enough. He rock is blues based. So he's solos, like you said, blues based. But where let's say somebody like Kev Mo was really about feel. Kev Mo was just before slash. And he was really about feel. His band really slowed down more. It was, yeah, slash slash is a faster player in general. Yeah. So I just for me, as great as he is and as much as I loved the show, I thought that he's not, I wanted him to play more blues and to really slow it down a little bit, give us some feel. And the other guy, the other guy, they have him keyboards, this guy zigzag. I don't know. I had my issues with him and he winds up. Tash Neil is the other part of his band of slash his band, who is spectacular also. And nuts guitarist, I mean, he's played with like the who and so many other artists. He's great and an insane singer, really good. This guy zigzag. I mean, he was fine, but it's sort of like he looked like, I don't know, he looked like some radio DJ like Wolfman Jack or something. That's what he looks like and he's kind of seems like, you know, I don't know. That was the other part of it that I didn't quite get. And it's all because the poor guy doesn't slash doesn't sing with me. My friend were like, he must be really pissed that he doesn't have a voice because look at what I mean. If you're a lead vocalist and you leave your band, at least you're going to be out front. And when you're singing, the spotlight's going to be on you. When somebody else is singing in slash's band, they put the spotlight on him, but then he's just sort of play it. It doesn't make sense. It should be on the singer. All these things. I'm nitpicking because overall, I want to say that's that the show was phenomenal and the whole lineup was was phenomenal. Starting off with Robert Randolph, even though I didn't see him, he's a he's a friend of the show also. So slash ended the show, I assume? Slash was the headliner. So did any of the guitar players come out with him at the end? No. That's surprising. I agree. I thought that that's the part of the reason for this tour. I thought the cab was going to come out. I mean, look, between slash and Tash Neil, there was plenty of guitar. There was no need for anything else, but it would have been fun to have Robert Randolph come out, you know, and do like the last song or something would have been cool. But again, I'm just nitpicking, you know, it was all, all fine. I enjoyed the show like crazy and I encourage people to go and check it out. I got to say, one, one show that we are not going to be seeing, Arrowsmith, how long have we been waiting for the rescheduled dates for the peace out tour? Not happening. Arrowsmith played its final gigs. They announced on Friday they have canceled all remaining concert dates. They're officially retiring from touring because of Stephen Tyler's vocal injury and recovery they say now is not possible. The statement has been the honor of our lives to have our music become part of yours. The group declared in a social media post that reads like a farewell statement group already been on what was billed as the final outing, the peace out farewell tour when the road trips came to a halt after what turned out to be a final gig in Elmont, New York. Were you there? No. You weren't at that one? This is in September of 23. They made what did they do? Like three dates, I think, and when they had to mail the fateful farewell show. Yeah, came just three dates into that tour. It was supposed to last through February 24 before the group postponed and now finally canceled all remaining dates. They're saying that they're retiring from touring. We to take that that they're not retiring from recording? Well, if Stephen has a vocal cord injury, I think that would nix that as well. Unless he can sing for short amounts of time, which you can do to sing a song in a studio like John Bonjova. Exactly. But, you know, it just it's sad that a band like Aaron Smith, who, especially with a front person and a voice like Tyler's, didn't get a chance to do the big last show victory lap, Fenway Park kind of final show thing. It's kind of sad, but they've toured thousands and thousands of, you know, played thousands of shows and he kept his voice in amazing shape up until now. And so to leave and not have people see that deterioration of the voice and the band, I'm fine with that. Yeah. But as you say, they really deserve to take their victory lap and to to really say goodbye to us in that way, it's a shame to have to have things cut short in the way that they were. Absolutely. And I don't know. Nobody say anything about this. I don't know what happened to that court case that was pending against him about the he wrote about this young girl that he had in his memoir, who was underage and made the whole deal to have her mom come on tour so that he could be with her on tour. But at the same time wound up being sued. That's quiet now. I haven't heard anything. Probably settled out of court. I suppose so. I suppose so. But we haven't, hopefully that's not part of why they're bailing on this as well. So while they're coming off the road, journey just never comes off the road, apparently, even though two of them, well, even the two of the members are once again heading back to court. And this is such a weird, I really wasn't sure about the whole reason. Obviously, Jonathan Kane and Neil Sean have been kind of at each other as the, you know, two remaining main members of journey. But apparently this is all over a band credit card that Kane says he keeps maxing out. It's like a married couple of ones checking the statements every month. And apparently on Amazon, they have some great deals. It was cyber Wednesday. What did you expect? Exactly. Apparently they're headed back to court while still touring, you know, they're on tour right now, I believe, with Def Leppard again, doing stadiums are, I can't even imagine what that must be like. Well, I know from, I haven't seen this tour. I do want to see them on this tour. It's not really their final, but it feels like 50 years down. It, maybe it is, but they're standing on opposite ends of the stage. I mean, there's no interaction between the two main guys in the band. It's really, it's weird. Maybe they bought the Fleetwood max stage and that's what they're using. It's an entrance is on the same way, either sides of the stage. It's a big stage. You put Arnelle in the middle. Pass Arnelle and you guys will be okay. And Jonathan can't be behind a keyboard, so he can't really go anywhere. Right. So, you know, I guess you make it work. His lawyers are saying unforeseen strains on cash flow now pose a severe threat of harm to the company and to journey story, history of musical greatness. They say the band is suffering through divided loyalties, crude infections and general tension. The court filings laments what has become quote a very much public battle between petitioner and respondent. The situation is now impacting the band's reputation throughout the music industry. The band's actual onstage performance is at the moment one of the only aspects of the business that has not suffered. So that's good news. Still go and see them. They hate each other. It's just the first time I've heard of a band having a band credit card that they use. God, I got to think, Arnelle's credit card has a much lower limit than Keynes and thank you. One of the things that they mentioned is that Neil consistently goes over the $1,500 a day hotel allowance, really $1,500 a day and he can't, he can't rain it in spa treatments. I don't dinner spot. That's right. No, they run up. They run up. But a day 1500 a day. That's impressive. That's impressive. I don't know. He apparently hasn't responded yet to this filing that was made in Delaware. He's been a part of every album and tour since Journey began in 1973 under Herbie Herbert's management. The legendary Herbie Herbert, Kane joined in 1980 as the group moved into superstar status with the multi-platinum escape album, Huge for Us Back in the Day on MTV. And they went through a long series of legal battles beginning in 2020. It seemed like things were okay. They had been resolved, they created a new organizational structure, Christ. This is a rock and roll band. Right. Because back then Steve Smith, drummer was still in the band, then he, I think, went after them legally about the name. And then there was that whole thing. And then he was out. So Michaela Sean isn't named as a respondent in Keynes latest lawsuit, but this new arrangement appears to be breaking down. Michaela, I guess, is Neil's wife. And maybe she's the one with the card, maybe she's given her the card, who knows. We also heard big news. If you are a Britney fan, I'm a major Britney fan. How can you not be? She is getting the biopic treatment. She's announced that her memoir, The Woman in Me is going to be adapted into a feature filmed by Universal Pictures with John Shoe, the guy who directed Wicked and producer Mark Clatt. They are attached to develop. She shared this news on X, excited to share with my fans that I've been working on a secret project with Mark Platt. He's always made my favorite movies. Stay tuned. So there we go. The Woman in Me. Who's going to play a young Britney? Who's going to play a current Britney? And do they practice by dancing and spinning around in a circle on Instagram for hours on end? I wonder if they'll bring in her Instagram feed. That should be part of it. But I mean, listen, I did listen to the book, which was narrated by Michelle Williams. And yeah, it's quite a story. It really is. It is. So this could be a really intense, interesting movie if it really stays close to the book. We've talked about this. Biopics are, you know, they're a tricky business. And I'll be damned if I could say what specifically makes a great biopic. The fact that the queen biopic, which I thought was all right. It was fun. Timelines. And it was okay. People, as you know, loved it. They went berserk for it. They thought it was amazing. Yeah. But you know, the queen biopic is more about the music, whereas not that Britney's music isn't great. But her story, when you go through her becoming a star, child star, to her becoming one of the biggest pop stars in the world, to this relationship with Justin Timberlake that so much has been exposed in this book, to the conservatorship, to coming out like there's so much to this story. I think that's what most people, myself included, will be tuning in for. What's the deal on this conservatorship? What happened? I'm more wrapped into that than wondering where they're going to fit toxic into the movie. You know? Yeah. It will be interesting. It's who knows? It's a tricky business. And yeah, it's all about, it's about casting. It's about how the music is portrayed and, you know, the artist who plays Britney, does she embody Britney? Can she sing like Britney? How are they going to deal with that? A lot of stuff. Look, this is just a brand new deal. So we are a year or two away from the release of this, for sure. But you know, one of the things that I'm kind of, I don't know how I feel about this or how you feel about this, but when it comes to doing a biopic like this, I don't understand why you need to hire an actor or who can sing. Let's use Britney's voice. It's a movie. It's not a live concert. I'd rather hear, I think, the original music than an actor interpreting it. I think so too, unless it feels and looks too much like lip sync. True. I think it's so hard to make that feel right. I haven't seen the Amy Winehouse yet. And I think, does she, does that actor sing in that one? And I... I don't know. The Elton John Biopic, where the kid who played Elton sang. And it was okay. It's weird. Sometimes with a casting, if they dub in the artist's name, it just looks too... The voice, rather. It just looks too weird for that voice coming out of a different face. True. True. No. So it's a little bizarre. But I think it is, however they deal with the music with Britney, it's important that it's portrayed. I expect, you know, look, she was a Disney kid and then hit me baby one more time when she was how old? 15? 16? Yeah. So it is a fascinating story and I'm looking forward to it. We'll see. A couple of years off, though. We are going to take a pause here, but we've got Michel Jollet of Airborne Toxic event has a new album coming out and Michel will join us to talk all about it here on Sound Up. I'm gonna take a pause here because I'm going to take a pause here, and I'm gonna take a pause here. I'm gonna take a pause here, and I'm gonna take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here. I'm gonna take a pause here, and I'm gonna take a pause here, and I'm gonna take a pause here, and I'm gonna take a pause here, and I'm gonna take a pause here, and I'm gonna take a pause here, and I'm gonna take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here. I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here, and I'll take a pause here. [ Silence ]
On Episode #53 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and producer Roger Coletti talk with Mikel Jollett of The Airborne Toxic Event about their upcoming album, Glory. Mark reflects on MTV’s 43rd birthday and has live concert reviews of Matt Nathanson, Slash, and ZZ Ward. In music news we discuss Aerosmith calling it quits, Journey band members fighting over expenses, and the just-announced Britney Spears biopic.
Plus new music picks from FREDDY, Bryan Adams, and Father John Misty.