you're listening to the board game snobs podcast, a ridiculous podcast with ridiculous hosts that discuss ridiculous things, and any mention of board games is purely coincidental. And so, without further ado, and with a heavy dollop of shame and embarrassment on my part, I give you the board game snobs. And go doesn't tell me how it works. It isn't working. It's work. This is Jerry of the board game snobs podcast. Not formally of the board game snobs podcast. We've got to remind that Dan Hughes, who's in charge around here. He's is the impromptu star of the show. Thank you for coming on. He substitutes very well. Next time we get Evan, Evan's the star. He goes on. He's a superstar twitch player. I don't know. I've heard Evan. Evan is son? I mean, that heard him on sporadically bored to one episode. He's on twitch. You got to get on twitch. He's always twitching. I don't quit playing cuphead or something like that. I don't know. He's a branch out. I don't realize. I've never played cuphead. It looks like it's too hard for me. I don't like a cup that is anthropophied. I don't like a cup that's alive. Do you remember Animorphs? The books? Yes. Everybody morph into armachita. Yeah, it was weird. That was weird. I don't like it. We traumatized children. Mask. You remember that? I don't remember that one. Well, the car is alive. No, they had drivers. I don't remember that one. Transformers. Don't care for it. Transformers differ. Transformers were anthropophies. Jack is mad about that. You don't you like transformers? Jack is here in the studio with us. He's very brought as kids. It's a surprise. We were going to the shoe store to buy shoes by footwear from my children. And we had to stop in. I said, listen, kids, I don't care if you want to get home and sit your brother or go get something to eat. We have to stop and shoot an episode of one of the best for the game podcasts. I appreciate your sacrifice, Jack. Jack's going to sit in on us. And since Enrique is too busy working, he is legitimately working. We don't have time for him. We're going to be doing it. And you'll learn something, Jack. No, no, no. You're going to learn some stuff today. I'm going to. Did you know? Well, you're going to do it. Did you know? Because I have did you nose, but they're not did you nose there. Mine is a did you know. Oh, guys, it'll tell you Vikings believed that a giant goat whose others provided an endless supply of beer was waiting for them in Valhalla. So I have a few questions. Yeah, go ahead. First question. How do you? Yes. Suck along. Yes. Yes. To get some beer. About of a goat. Listen, you're thinking of that wrong. I knew you're where you're going with that. Hey, are you are you milking it? You're milking it. Okay. All right. Second question. Duh, what kind of beer is it? Dark beer? Exactly. Milk stout. You know, I actually like milkstouts. I do too. They're not my favorite, but I will drink them. Wouldn't that be awful? You get the ball haul and you you're the one with it. You're the one with the Corona goat. What is the rinse and stuff? And I will go out and eliminate you right now. Anybody drinks Corona willingly? You are don't know what you're doing. You just like commercials and the beach. You like you like Pedro Pascal? Well, now he's on the beach. He must live the good life. Coronas are the drink of the family. I believe. Was he say was the Spanish? I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know the Pablo Pascal. I had not seen it. Pedro. I've not seen it. The Mandalorian is now the spokesperson for and I said Pedro, I always say you said Pablo. Pedro I think you went Pedro and Pablo now back to Pedro. It is Pedro. P Pascal is the spokesman for Corona now. Well, I mean, you gotta earn a check. Yeah, he's not making enough, I guess. I guess not. Or just getting all the getting's good, I say. But guess who's the spokesman for Shiner? Tom Brady. Nope. Somebody checks in. Matthew McConaughey. My man, Meth Damon. Oh, Jesse Plimmons. Okay. He just started. Well, we're in Texas. We like beer. And it's like the entire commercial is literally him sitting in a bar going yet. Is he lost the weight he had gained? Yeah, he gained weight for a movie and then he lost it for that kinds of kindness, that great guy show with your name in it. Okay, but then not to veer too far. I'll fuck it off of this. Christian Dunst. Yes. Go ahead. Okay, so you're in heaven, right? Valhalla's heaven. Viking heaven. Viking heaven. I guess that's a different heaven than other people's heavens. Okay, first of all, you're in a spiritual realm. I'm not going to get into the physics of drinking beer off the teeth of a goat. You just leave it up. I'll leave it up to the Vikings. The way that genetics are going, we could have a beer goat. Is the goat eating like hops, barley hops, then letting it ferment, takes in a little bit of yeast. Yeah. It has to sit there. Or is this just a miracle udder? Miracle udder, Messiah goat. Second question in milk and the beer. Why involve the middle man being the goat? When this version of their heaven is heaven, the goat part of their joy, why not just have endless beer? Why involve the goat? Okay, here's my thing. If you had a keg that never emptied, that would make more sense, right? That would be like the thing. Right. It's a keg that never empties. And like a bottomless plate of nachos, the chilies. Until you have to move said keg. And anybody who's ever rolled a keg knows they're inconvenient. If you have a goat, it just rolls with you. It goes with you. You could just lead the goat from place to place. That's true. What if you wanted to move around? Okay, so it's the mobility factor of the endless supply of beer. Taking this goat. Let's move over here to this part of Valhalla. Okay. Okay. I can understand that. There's a goat. Or why not just, you know, a truck? They didn't have it. Vikings didn't have a concept for trucks. That's true. You're thinking way too deep. Yes, I guess that's modern. Also, what if it eats accidentally like some jalapeno peppers? Will that transfer to the beer? There's no jalapeno peppers in Viagra in heaven. They didn't have those. See, you're thinking way too deep on this. Okay. The concept of Valhalla was there. How many? Okay, so then what's your other favorite things to eat or drink? Vikings? Did they also have to go through a goat that carries those things? No, they were just like venison. I think you're putting a lot of turkey legs. You're taking a lot of weight. Did they milk a goat that secretes turkey legs? I'm just saying you've got a lot of, you're putting a lot on the mythos. Well, I just, the goat thing threw me. I understand endless beer in heaven. Sounds great to me. The goat throws me off. The giant goat. Who says it's a giant goat? It said a giant goat. What size has said goat? Because there are pigment goats. There are regular size goats. When you say a giant goat, what size goat we talking? Maybe it's big enough where you can just walk up underneath of the udders and just squeeze it directly down into your mouth. I don't think that's the case. You don't think so? Nope. You think a giant goat is like a, just like a great dane sized? I would say. Yes, Jack. Jack's raising his hand. Goats were also the main meat supply for the Vikings on the islands. Now, is that fact or is that a Jerry fact where you kind of think it's a fact? It sounds like he just, he said that very, he said that he learned it from the best. Dude, they're mountain people. I would say. Mountain goats. I won't have to say, I'm feeling that. That's where they got their hairstyle. Makes sense. They didn't have a lot of cows. And that's where they got the horns for their helmets, what's cows? They didn't have their helmets didn't have horns. I've seen the pictures. No, the helmets. They did not have horns on their helmets. That's a misnomer. I've seen the Minnesota Vikings play football. I know, but that they have horns drawn on the helmet. That's the picture. You think that's fake, Jack? That didn't happen. It's historically erroneous from what I understand. Are you telling me they can teach something to show something for years, decades even. Didn't it be wrong? In history constantly. Interesting. They're not Abraham. That's George. He dropped down the apple tree. He fell out of the apple tree. Just fell out of it. That's how Abraham died. No scientific proof that he ever chopped down the tree. George Washington. There is no scientific proof that he ever chopped down the tree. Every time, every time Dan hears George, he just yells, "That traitor, traitor, traitor!" Almost professional level general. Yeah. He was a professional level general. He lost a lot. Okay. That was my factoid to get us started. Yours? So, the Olympics. I've been obsessed. I just watched Noah Lyles win the 100 meter. Who? Noah Lyles. Hang on a second, hang on a second. Jack is just chattering constantly in the background of this episode. No, you have to be quiet, Jack. You're doing a terrible job. I didn't regret it. Oh, Enrique never speaks. Enrique never speaks. I'm less spoken to. So, how, first off, one of the things that irritates me about the Olympics is that it's such a broad plethora of games that really most people would have no access to do, except some like the shooting, but even then they put a twist on it. Like the shooting that they're doing, like that 10 millimeter, like the Turkish guy who won silver. It's like air pistols and things of that nature, but there is ski shoe. Anyway, I digress. How does something become an Olympic sport? Something so niche seemingly. You are wrong. I thought the same thing. Well, that's why I said the word seemingly. Give it myself a way out. I noticed, but I will trap you in this apparently as part of it for a sport to even be considered to be adopted into the Olympics. It has to be practiced and enjoyed in at least 75 countries for a men's sport, 44 women, according to the Olympic organization. So it has to be widespread. Which throws me off because a lot of these stuff is like, who's pole vaulting? Why is chess not an Olympic sport? One might ask. I thought this myself. It's well, internationally played. I feel like this is a question you're posing rhetorically. Yes, because I know the answer to it. It shocked me to find that they will not admit games that are necessarily just intellectual. There has to be a physical aspect to it. And it cannot be used any type of propulsion, which is why I'm like racing, NASCAR, things of that nature, are not admitted to the sport. Go-karting. True. I would want there to be a like, why can't we not have electric go-karting in the Olympics part? I don't know. It'd be that anyways. Neither. They should have goat karting. Neither here. The Vikings would do that. There nor have some of the games that I got to looking into of when and how they became. How many games do they play total? There's a bunch of them I looked it up to and I can't remember. But there's that you can go on to the Olympic website and list everything that they're playing. And some of these things you have no idea that they're even playing. Flag football. I've watched most of the whatever they're airing on NBC, I'm watching. But they're all pretty standard walking, swimming, racing, mics, that type of stuff. Did you know tug of war? I know it was. Was an Olympic sport. Yeah, I saw that. Poodle shaving. Because somebody was there was a comedian. He's like, well, what would tug of war? Like, what's the coach's job? Pull harder. Well, I mean, I guess you don't really need a coach in that. You just need a trainer. In large athletes to pull. Poodle clipping. Now, are you doing past and present or is this present? These are the weirdest events. Poodle clipping in Paris 1900. So is that like with your car? So it was a test event that they proposed, meaning it didn't have full Olympic status, but it didn't make the cut. It involved 128 competitors performing in front of a crowd of 6,000 people in a park where they had to clip the fur off as many of poodles that they could in two hours. So it's a speed sport? Yes. Like sheep shearing. The winner clipped a total of how many poodles you think in two hours and two hours. Now, what is clipping toenails? I'm assuming that they're when they say clipping, they're mean they had to clip the fur off of them. I bet you could do one a minute. So when you're thinking of electric clippers, we're talking scissors, old school and fighting this poodle. How many you think two hours? How many poodles is the goal? 12. It's close. 17. It makes sense. Anyways, curling, curling. Like biceps? No, you know what I'm talking about. Curling. Are you doing winter now? Yes. Curling. Yeah. I like curling. No, you don't. Yeah, most certainly do. Nobody loves curling. They slide and push the big stone. No, but watch it on time. The fever is sweeping. They do ahead of the stone. It's amazing. It is not amazing. I would shock that it was even a thing. I think everybody made fun of it. I don't. I don't make fun of it. I don't understand how it could even be. It's shuffleboard on ice. But did you not work? What country did it originate? Oh, I'm sure Norway. No. Iceland. No. Greece. No. Wherever they get those big stones, that's the originator. Getting close. It is a land. Green land? OK, I don't know. Scotland. OK. They brought it to Canada and formed some sort of curling group in Montreal in 1807, the Montreal Curling Group, making it the first organized sporting club in North America. Oh, wow. So the first organized sporting club in North America was curling, but it was played on frozen lakes and such, which is why it explains why it never made it to the south and why we have no concept of it. We just do bowling. But curling is somehow played in 75 countries. Apparently. So when you say played, so I'm guessing there are people. Is it enough where people can live off this profession or are they like curling and then also a waitress in the full time? None of these Olympians are making any money. The runners are, because they got like endorsements and stuff. But these dudes that are doing these other things, they're making no money. Yeah. Well, that's why you have like flavor, flavor, you know, flavor, flavor, like sponsor, the women's water polo team, because they were working like three jobs to try and pay for their tickets to the Olympics. There you go. That's sad. That is sad. Jack is out. He said he's not curling. That's all it took. My own kids couldn't stand this podcast for that long. 33 sports was in the 2020 Olympics, 32 this year. I wonder which one they dropped. Which one didn't make the cut? It dropped down to 74 football. That's shocking to me. I mean, I don't even know, I didn't know that many countries played American style football with flags. I don't like the Olympics in the sense of. Oh, I love you. I don't. I just don't. I find it mesmerizing. It's just mesmerizing because they make it that way. Well, true. Well, me and Dan did talk Olympics and he said he was talking about how he's watching these little. Yeah, but he said the same thing of you start watching something and they suck you in. You end up sitting there for however long to watch who wins children's skateboarding. Yeah. See, I don't like the Olympics and I don't like the fact that they don't. Here's how we should do it. You should just randomly pick somebody from each country. 10 people, you got four years, start training. This is your event. That would make it so much more exciting. It's just like a thing. You have been drafted into this event. We're sending representations from this country, not like the most elite of the elite who've practiced for since they were 15 years old to do some weird thing. How do you get into pole vaulting? I don't know. I don't know. You don't. You just decide. It's anything someone comes up and says, have you ever pole vaulted? Here you go. And you do it a couple times and then now they hook you. I'm just saying, it's just such a weird pommel horse thing. I don't know what that is. The little thing when they spin their bodies around on the head to hold on to those two bars. It's in the minutes. Oh, the dude. I'm sorry. I thought I was actually in picturing a horse. I thought they're beating them on horses, pommel horse things. I'm on the horse beat this horse up. It might be more exciting than the actual event because I don't care for the pommel horse, but I do love the gymnastics. I love track meat. I watch the swimming. I watch it all at pommel horse where they just have their arm, the pommel horse. And they do the thing like they're a helicopter that is all right. That's insane. The amount of athletic skill that takes is amazing, but most people could watch the top 10, whatever and not know what they're judging. How do you know they're doing well? You don't know. You don't know. I don't like that. It's like the pole vault thing, either you get over the bar or you don't. You got to keep your toes and your feet together and pointed. Yeah. It's like the rest of it. That's who you split them apart or figure skating. That made sense. Remember in the 90s, where everybody loved figure skating, Christiana Maguchi, Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan, busted kneecaps. Remember that? That was amazing. And I liked it back in the day when you just give somebody a 10. Yeah. A 10. Perfection. Now they have, well, you have these difficulty levels because Simone Biles couldn't do these tricks that nobody else can do. So she gets a difficulty level of 6.4. And these other girls, before they even start the vault, they're at a 5.2 because they can't do the trick that Simone. Then you're done. Get out. Yeah. Get out. And then everything else. So then after that, after the technicality of the event, then they have the artistry basically, which is the 10. I'm just saying, the whole purpose is that each country sends their absolute X men, the people who are boy, that swimming guy, that Phelps guy a few years back, like that, that studies on him, like his lung capacity and all this stuff. He is just weird. He's a mutant. That's what, and that's who you have. If you've got, if you got somebody who can do that, you send them. You train those people. Then you have like Shaqari, who was kicked out on the last, but she wasn't kicked out. She didn't qualify, disqualified, whatever, because she smoked some weed. Trains for four years, and it comes into this, and that's all everybody's talking about. She has all these expectations on her, comes in second in the 100 meter running. The running lady? Yeah. Because you got kicked back. Oh, you're right. You got kicked out because of the marijuana. Yeah, she smoked some weed. Her, somebody had died in her family. She thought she'd, you know, he's some pain and boom, suffered the price for the last four years. This is all she's thought about and shows up and came in second. There you go. Oh, it's hard. What's heartbreaking? It's heartbreaking. Second? I mean, for her, because she, she was not happy with it. She's not happy with second. She was not happy with second. Getting a medal in the Olympics is insane. I know. It should be appreciated, but it is appreciated. Nobody can name the dude or who woman or whoever it was. It got gold in the 10 meter shooting thing because a Turkish guy got up there with no equipment like he just owned it and he got silver. It's all about having a personality going into the sport and you creating that for yourself. That way the media picks up on it and you can make some money. I hope that Turkish guy makes some money. Do we know that he's poor? He's probably broke. Maybe so. He's probably broke. Turkey. He probably don't have any guess why I came for glasses. We're not saying proper. Turkey. Okay. Turkey. It's like we're cheering for themselves. They built it into the words. That's smart. That's really smart. That'd be like United States of America. Ha ha. Ha ha. Well, I'm all in on the Olympics. I can't take my eyes off of it. I couldn't care less. I love it. I don't like the fact how they treat the athletes. Well, that is terrible. It's awful and I think it's a lot of it's just, I don't know. I don't get excited about the Olympics. Since the first modern games in 1896, 10 sports have disappeared completely from the Olympic schedule. These are croquet, cricket, jule de palm, I don't know what that is, poloda, polo, roak, rackets, tug of war, lacrosse, and motorboding. I wonder why I got rid of lacrosse. I don't know. Not enough countries. Maybe lacrosse is kind of weird with the sticks. It was like almost football. It's where they just beat each other up with sticks and it's like soccer with sticks, which would make soccer a whole lot. If they, if they want everyone Americans that actually care about soccer, cut the field down to a fourth of its size and have it tight. And like that way you can get some scoring in. Everybody has a chance. Instead of having this massive field, there is no regulation soccer size field. Each place is different. And you got all these guys running around. You can't tell who's who and they're kicking. It's like, no, I don't want to watch for hours on one person score. Five on five. Yeah, put them out there on half size of the field. Like hockey. Five guys. Your best five guys. I want more shots on goal. I yes. You know what I hate is Annagoli. Of course, we're speaking out of complete American ignorance of the beauty of the sport. It's not. It's the most beautiful game. It's a kid's game here. The most beautiful game. So you have all these guys and you're trying to advance the ball. Well, it's not working out. So let me kick it all the way back to our goalie way in the back. And wake him up. Wake him up. And then he just kicks it super hard to somebody out in the middle. And then I also don't like the fake falling. That is gets me. Even the coaches. There was one where the guy just ran by and touched the other coach and he's like, Oh, you fell over. You have replay replay and have the have the rest get to watch it and go like, no, every supposed flop is they just they've just their careers ended, but they lay out and they get drugged out and they immediately hop back up and start running down the field again. It's such a joke. I do hate the flop. It's real bad. That happened. That happened for a brief period in American basketball for people would flop and they got that. No, people got angry, but I do like the World Cup. I watch every game. You watch the world. Anything that takes place every four years, I'm all about it. No, I don't do that leap year. I'm there for it. I like it. Every four years. It was that important. We do it every year. It was that good. No, it makes it that's much more difficult. It dilutes it. If you do it all the time, it dilutes it. Does the Super Bowl people lose their mind? Imagine if it was every four years, how huge it would be because you can't keep together a team that long. That's true. Well, they don't either. They have a brand new team. All these national teams is a completely different team than last time. All right. Well, that's our take on the Olympics. I don't root for USA specifically. I root for people. I root for people. I root for stories. I do. I will admit it's the stories that matter. It's interesting because it's like, really, is there a Tinge of Prime when your country wins something? It's like, you never knew this thing existed. I didn't care about the pommel horse. The first gold that they met all they got in 16 years is some dude that waited for two hours and then hopped on the pommel horse. They didn't get gold or metal. I thought he got gold. No, they got bronze. They were very happy to get bronze. Okay. Well, there you go. The team, the team sport, he also got bronze on the whatever. But yes, it's like nobody. It's like, it's hard to go for this team that I don't even know who's on said team. I don't even it's like, I never knew of this person or this thing. A lot of these sports, like, how do you watch flag football? I want to watch flag football. Where is that? I want to watch it. I'm interested in knowing how do you a little bit of football. I'm not getting on peacock. I'm going to watch anything named after a bird. Really? I don't like birds. You watch badminton? Badminton's cool. There's a birdie in it. You used to play badminton. I do have a badminton net. I don't. That's a cool game. It's dangerous. And you got me hooked on pickleball. I go play pickleball every weekend. We're going to play pickleball after this. If you don't, if you need to go, I brought my pickleball stuff. It stays in my car because me and Jack will go somewhere and be like, let's go play pickleball. I'm scared to play. Yeah, get back on the horse. I know the pommel horse. I need your shins or your calves. I'm scared. You said you were covered. I am. I feel like I'm back to 100%. Stretch. Just stretch. I stretch every time. What if I do it again? The fear is there. Well, then you're hurt again. If you never do it, you'll never know. This could be your Olympic sport. What if the what if the Olympics started doing pickleball? Cash stretching. And yeah, cash stretching. Like doing things that might injure your calf. I would never qualify because I've never stretched my calves. Your calves have been hurt so much. They're so taught. I have been trying to work on them, though. All right. We've been doing stretches. I'll just constant stretch. I asked Bubba's wife, Amy. I was like, how do I don't? What I don't even know how to stretch a calf. It's a weird person to ask my eyes. She was familiar. I was talking to Bubba and she was like telling me how to stretch my calf. She's like, you do this. I was like, oh, okay. Okay. At first, I thought it was you were sitting there thinking, who can I ask for advice on how to stretch my calves? I know Bubba's wife. No. It's like, okay. So we were talking, okay. We were having a group discussion and you brought up your sore calves and they were like, I said, I think I'm good to go, but I'm just don't know how to make sure I don't injure myself again. Speaking of calves is one of my children here. They could talk about the calf that they're bottle feeding right now. Oh, really? Yes. Is it beer? No. It's electrolyte and milk. It's well, they got rid of all most of the cows. Apparently some other abandoned its baby calf. And so now it's living with the Border Collie. I hope it's fair. It's better than the last calf your daughter was feeding. No, this calf's doing great. Well, that eye of the calf was sick. This one was abandoned. There's a difference. What was wrong with the other calf? It was just abandoned. I just had illness. It was a cold is in the winter. This one was just momma gone. Didn't care for it. So you just got to feed this guy. I got to name this calf because Jack always that mean you're not going to eat it. We don't eat the cows. Okay. He'll be eaten by somebody else or be a bull for somebody. Anyways, the kids always named the calves and jacks, always named them like, whatever they happen to look like. This one's chocolate will name a mocha. It's like, like, listen, I got to name this calf. Patrick Mahomes. Homes. Moo homes. Moo homes. Patrick. Moo homes. I got you. Yes. Because Jack's a Kansas chief fan. He did not like it, but yeah, not a calf has no, but since we've gotten rid of all the other cows, this calf is just here by the house, pinned up, of course, in an area. There's no other cows around. He's just around the, I think the calf thinks he's a boar callie because he's around the dogs. So he's just like, when he gets out, he runs with the dog. He's like, Oh, I'm with the guys. And maybe you can make him like a hunting cow. I don't know, but it's going to be weird. This cow is like not going to want to associate with other cows because he's thinking he's a dog. I'm afraid this cow's going to start hurting cows because he's with the border collar. Let's get these guys. Kia or Jack's missing one day and you like, let him sniff his jacket, cow takes off. I hope your children never go missing. That's, I think, a desire that most parents have. I hope that never happens. Till they get teenagers and they're like, Oh, I don't mind them going. This is 10 o'clock. Do you know where your children are at? Remember those commercials? Yes. But my parents always knew who I was because I was a very obedient kid. I was called in, and was home before curfew. That's a good kid. Good for you. Well, it's been a while since we recorded. I know it has been. This has been like six weeks, it seems like. It's been a good one. I've been in the studio. I've been busy. I've been getting ready to go to the dice tower tree, which I'll be sleeping on Dan Hughes's couch in his suite because he's a ex dice tower member. Or is he a dice tower? I don't know. I can't keep up with it. I think he's out. He's out. They're in the dice tower network. He's out pushing that core request everywhere. All right. So we do have a, just a couple, which core, look at emails. Really? Okay. This one goes back. I don't, I just wanted to say, I don't know if we ever read this one. Maybe we did. Just real quick, the wishing Jerry well with Jason Brusev. Who? That was before you had your surgery. There's your son. Here he comes. Well, you need back in. Oh, thank you. We were talking about Patrick, new homes, new homes, there you go. Oh, the calf. I got it. Not, not that true. Push it down a little by the hand. I don't know. Like you are like Enrique, just like Enrique. Bird. Okay. So this one's from Sean Franco. Oh, James's brother. He says, spectrums of games, snobs. It was interesting hearing Jerry and Gobi discuss their preferences between Ameritrash and Euro games. This was some time ago because this was written July 10th. I propose a different spectrum to compare simulation versus abstraction. Part of this does tie into, well, I need to read better. Part of this does tie into your preferences for whether or not a game needs theme, but part of it also ties into your commitment to the fidelity of realism. So like right there, he lost me. I don't know what he just said. The fidelity of realism. Jerry has probably seen some extremes of simulation, such as war games like ASL, the American Sign Language, the mechanics, the mechanics of such games become more detailed to most accurately capture the way that things interact in the real world or in history. Contrast this with a different game that you've played square on sale. This game is ostensibly, look, Sean, if you're going to use big words, make them where I can understand what they are. Ostensibly about city building, but that theme is abstracted to the point of almost being immaterial. It's a game much more about showing off neat interactions without any reliance on thematic justification. But abstracts also tend to streamline both the learning of games and the playing of games, with themes being used as a linguistic shorthand at best. So snobs, tell us please where you land on simulation heavy games and abstraction heavy games. I'm glad you reminded me of this email because I did email him back and forth on that. So I do like his categories of simulation abstraction. And so the idea being, I can't remember exactly what my email is, so maybe I'll end up contradicting it. Don't read my email because I'll end up on what I want to see if my opinion is changing. Maybe it was me say something completely opposite of what I emailed to him, but with a done before, but with abstraction, what he's talking about something being something simulating a game. And he makes a good point. A lot of war games are a simulation almost like they're trying to do their best to make to capture some aspect of warfare, which is easy for most people to look out and identify because there's a map and that cliche of people pushing parts around on a map and moving things around and having these people on the dudes on the map. That's easy for you to simulate. And so does it feels like it's a simulation, but there are other games that whether or not you realize it or not, you are engaging in a form of combat. But it's so abstract that you really don't realize that. And so I would say that I've never been one for abstract games. Like, I really like something to have, to have the feel of whatever the topic is, whatever the theme is. And I believe in my email to him, I said that for something to cross over into that simulation realm, it has to have, it has to capture some aspect of the theme, something that lends itself to whatever it's trying to betray. And thus, now it's crossed over into, let's say, it's crossed over into that. Now that now it's a simulation rather than something that's just plainly abstract. So like, well, go ahead. No, no, no, you're pretty on par with what you said. Your last one said, because he said something else, then he says, you said we're going to discuss this, but I would say the line is drawn, because he said, where is the line drawn between the two? You would say, you said, when an abstract requires a mechanism that is misaligned with the thing. So they toss in something good. When do you ask that, that's interesting. When is the line of drawings in there thinking, man, it'd be hard to lie. That's like, oh, man, man, I'm on fire. So basically, you're doing something that doesn't make sense for the thing. Basically. Yes, you got to done this one down for me, Sean. But now I kind of understand what you said. Okay, so like, I'll just tick it to ride this basic game. So obviously, there's a map, you're creating railway, you're making these lines. And so any other game that I would call that an abstract game, in comparison with something like any of your 18XX games or your age of steam and things of that nature, because you're using money, you're building routes, you're having trains, it's all these other things that are very in line with building a railway, whereas with ticket to ride, it's like, how do you build said railway? Just pick a car. I got you. So for taking that train game, like, take it to ride. Okay, you're making connections. I guess that's the thought of that. But it would be more like, oh, here's a train game where maybe like, cold bearing, kind of sort of, okay, I need to make this train go. It needs coal. Well, we got to dig some coal. Okay, now we've got to transport the coal to the train and feed the engine, type of thing. It's how many and to expand on that email back to him, I would say that it would be, if it were me and I had to make a solid rule of saying, this is what this is the line that you draw when something is abstract and something there's a simulation. How many mechanisms are there? And then go, okay, this one lends itself to the theme. This one is abstracted because it's just pick a card. There you go. Whichever side has the most, thus it leans towards that simulation. The more that you have, for instance, I'm thinking of brass, Birmingham and Lancaster, that rule of, okay, coal, you have to have your transportation has to come from your coal, but copper can just come from anywhere. In the rule book, it actually says it was because, well, coal was transported by trains and copper came by wagon, so it doesn't matter. That lends itself to reality and it's a rule mechanism and it makes sense. It is one of those exceptions that kind of confuses you at times during the game, but in real life, it adds to the rule. The actual thing of playing a card and you're going to build here, that's abstracted, but there's so many other things that lends itself to this has to be connected. You have to use this, you have to use that, that are all added to the simulation, such as the connections in the area that you control, so forth. It lends itself to being a simulation more than an abstract. Makes sense. There you go. So that's what I'd say, but that's just a, that's an all-ball opinion, but that's what I would say to Franco. Franco, James, Sean, Sean, Franco. Then we had another one from Star Wars Max. Yes, welcome back. He had some words for you to use with a Dan. Some of these have been used here before, but I'll reiterate them. He said for Dan, when you hop in the passenger seat before anyone else, say Bagsy. Bagsy? Bagsy. Like shotgun? Yeah. Okay. They don't say shotgun because they don't have guns over there. No, bagsy. They have bags. They're bags of rabbits. You ride up front? No, wait. That's the cats. They got cats in the bag. They let them loose. I just thought, oh, let's see, call back. And you can say, hey, bloke, I call Bagsy. Bloke is pretty, pretty well-prevered. I don't know if I know Dan enough to call him bloke. Is bloke? He says it means dude. Oh, bloke is dude. According to Star Wars Max, how familiar he is with the English culture, I'm not sure. I bet he's, bet he's, but he's emailed us. Well, I don't know. I think it's going to be right up. Budge up mate. Budge up. So like if Dan is sitting in the driver's seat and Evan is in the passenger seat, but you've already called Bagsy, you could say Budge up mate to Evan and he would need to scoot over for you. Bagsy bloke, budge yourself up so I can, yeah. Before I get cheesed off. Now that one I've heard before. Cheezed off. It's the same as angry. That makes no sense. Talk a block. Don't know. It means full, packed, overloaded. None of these things mean anything. Chuffed? Chuffed? That sounds like chaff. Delighted. Oh, if you're chuffed, you're delighted? I would think that you're angry. You're going to be chuffed to be there. I am going to be chuffed to be there. Now he did sign off with, he said, I'm exhausted, only got to see, but those should impress him. Then he signed off SWM. SWM, Star Wars Max. First thing I thought of was single white male. Mikey was just letting you know he was just letting me know. Just like Craigslist. So is he looking? Is he looking? I don't know. SWM looking for SWM. Maybe it could go wherever. But then I was like, how does he? Oh, Star Wars Max. It took me a second to realize what he meant by those initials. So I don't like initials. You're anti-initial. All right. Well, that's gone do it for this episode of a lot of fluff, but you're not a chuff. I'm chuffed to be here. Chuffed for the fluff. All right. Well, rather cheese. It's been a while until the next episode whenever that may be. I'm goby. This is Jerry. I'll jack you and say something and we'll cut you out. Thank you for tolerating this episode of the board game Snobs. Stay classy. [Music] [BLANK_AUDIO]
