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(crunching) - Chicago. - This is your morning routine. - Listen to respect my name. - Cap and G hood. - That's right, that's right, we're bad, huh? - Watch the show on Twitch. Follow ESPN 1000 Chicago. - Stream the show on the ESPN Chicago app. And on in there, 100.3 HD2. And on ESPN 1000 Chicago. Now, no, no, no. David Kaplan and Jonathan Hood. - Good morning, everyone. ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out, woo ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪ - Oh, God. Welcome in to the Cap and G hood morning show. On ESPN 1000, and we're streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. We're David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you as we broadcast live from House All in Lake Forest. We got Shay, we got Jay Moore. Sean back there, and you on a waddle Wednesday. We open full lines for you. 3-1-2-3-3-2, ESPN 3-3-2-3-7-7-6 is our telephone number. And cap, the National Nightmare is over. As heard right here on ESPN 1000, the Chicago White Sox find a way to win a ball game. Got their cup of coffee, and they found a way for the first time, and God knows how long, to win a ball game over the A's. They match the longest losing streak since the 88 Orioles, but they won yesterday, five to one. So let's talk about hard enough. The nightmare is finally over. Yeah, they got a five-one win. Jonathan Cannon was really good. They came up with big hits and big spots, comfortably beat a lousy A's team. But if the A's are lousy, one of the White Sox. So now we can move on. I would fully expect Pedro Grafault can get fired at any time now. Now that they've got a win under their ball. That's the report that we keep hearing that at any time Pedro could be fired. But if you just listen to your partner, you could have been able to cash in as I did yesterday. He did, he sends me, I stayed up, did my recap, and went to bed. Didn't check my phone again once I filed. I'm out, gone, I wake up at whatever, for something to let the dog out and get ready for work. And good night, Mindy. Every time he has a winning ticket, that's all he texts me, is the ticket and good night, Mindy. That's bam. There it is. But he had two bats on the White Sox last night, cashed them both. At some point, you get tired of having your schminzer kicked in. At some point, you get tired of it. You get tired of having your face put into the dirt. And that's exactly what happened. Jonathan Cannon's on the mound. It's a sleepy environment in front of, what was it? 5,000 people at the game yesterday? I mean, it's a joke. 5,000 people were going out there. A reported 5,867 fans. But Shrippen the other day on the broadcast was talking about how flights to the West goes. You couldn't get a seat. There were so many White Sox fans going out to Oakland to watch the team. There were a decent number of Sox fans which shocked me. Our guys from Barstool, they had two Barstool reporters out there. It was unbelievable. I'm like, oh, look at these guys. I'll decked out in Sox gear. Out there supporting. Here's how it sounded right here on the home of the White Sox. He has been 1,000 with Lynn Kasper and Darren Jackson. And he swings. It's a towering pop fly shallow left. And it'll be Ben and Tendi to make the catch. And it's finally over. The White Sox 21 game losing streak is history. Yeah, he's beliggered. He's tired. I mean, he took a knee during that last call. You could tell. Took a knee. He did. It's just finally over Christ. What did they call it? Is it called the novina? Yeah, he said novina. Please let him get you. You could hear right there. It's not even released. Please. He just tired. You can understand, man. You call a loss every night. And then finally, he could even drum up the enthusiasm to say, hey, we broke. It just tired. I can understand. It is a brutal time for the White Sox and the White Sox organization. So Sox will have that final game today at 237. You hear it right here on ESPN 1,000. Can I tell you? Ross Strippling is my mortal enemy. We're on the doorstep at 24. With the bid is it's riding high. We're right there. And Ross Strippling serving up room service fastballs to Andrew Ben and Tendi of all people. 91 middle middle. Goodbye. That was the moment I knew we were dead. It was over time. Well, it's a tough win. Oh, it's just-- It was like plus 185 last night to bet him. It's no surprise this veteran observer of the betting scene. Again, when you take the emotion out of it and you take a look at Jonathan Cannon on the mound, that's when you click White Sox. I know. What's that? After a while, that's enough. Hood Crow getting a winner. But how about yesterday, man? Yesterday, HBO Max. The city was on full display, wasn't it? I'll be very honest with you. If people out there haven't watched it, you're going to know whatever. You know, all the money you might take. I don't care about twins. My friend Dave, stop. Don't be stupid. Don't be that guy. You're better than that. This was a display yesterday when I sat down. I had the Cubs on one TV and muted and the hard knocks show. And I'm literally-- I got up. I got out of my seat. The dogs are locked in on the couch with me. And I'm looking at-- there it is. Here we go. Like, oh my god. That's my favorite team. That's my city. I grew up here like you. Holy cow. Look at this. And it was just football porn for an hour. It was incredible. It just-- it was a great display for the city to be able to see, first of all, the cityscape, watching Cole commit throughout the first pitch at Riggly Field. Just kind of what they did, I thought, in the first episode of Hard Knocks in HBO. And again, the replays are endless. You will be able to catch it at any point, anytime. The idea cap is that they're just showing the vibe of the city first. Before you get delved into the football, let's talk about the vibe of the city. And then, of course, the anticipation of training camp to be at Iber Flus's home and having players there and kids there, just to get a feeling of the characters that are involved on the Chicago Bears staff. Yeah, and to see Matt Iber Flus in a really good light, talking with Nick Saban. I thought one of the cool lines was when Nick Saban said, look, there are certain guys. There are not many of them. And whenever, however, he described these stars. Like he said, Peyton Manning through 28 interceptions as a rookie. First take, Shay, would have already called him a bust. He ends up getting a bust in the Hall of Fame. He bounces, but he goes, it didn't matter. It's about development. But everybody in this society got to happen right now. Today, he's a bust. He stinks. He's this. He said, your word is development. And then he goes on to say, there's very few players that can handle that and then have that quality. You were one of them, Matt. I'm like, he was. Yes, because he was unbelievable. He was a boulder as a defensive player. They showed number 90, right? We saw the old clips of him. He was a massive man. I mean, the pads were just immense, too, by the way. The pads were like five feet long. But the point is, though, that guy was a hard hitter. He was no question. And then they go from that to-- He's in his backyard of his house. That was not a country club. A couple of buddies, and I go, what country club are they at? That's he refuses house. I think he lives near Shore Acres, which is a very, very, very good course. It's one of the top 100 in the country in Lake Bluff. And they show it. And he's like, yeah, they shoot the fireworks off at the country club. And they got the pool going, and then that big backyard, where all the kids were playing football. And the best part was him talking through the offense and going through all this. I thought, he's going to have the last laugh. Good for him, man, because if he does, it means we're winning. We're talking about hard knocks taking place yesterday on HBO, where the Chicago Bears are featured. Let's go back in time and hear from Nick Saban, the old Alabama coach. Of course, retired now, but remember, Flus played for Nick Saban. There's some salient advice coming from Nick Saban as they had this conversation at House Hall. Here's my theory on why NFL quarterbacks fail at such a dramatic rate. To me, expectations are a killer. This kid you got, this kid's got so much media, so much hype, so much expectation on doing well. And he has to develop so quickly to meet the expectations that everybody has for him. It's almost impossible. The expectations are a killer. But yet, to use your word, development is the key for him. You know, like Peyton Manning, the 28 interceptions when he was at rookie. It was a most in the history of all. - Man, he looks to throw, tipped in, intercept. - It's unbelievable. - Put the nail on it. - But it didn't affect him. It was like the scoreboard. The scoreboard don't mean anything until the game's over. - So the thoughts there from Nick Saban. Here's where I want you, Cap, and everybody else listening that follows the barriers. I want you to hear closely what Nick Saban said. Development is the key for a rookie, not people's expectations. I'm paraphrasing, but that's exactly what he said. Because we can put a number on Caleb Williams and say, that guy should be throwing for 4,000 yards. That guy should be having 40 touchdowns. Again, it's a rookie. It's a rookie. Your phrase of chasing greatness, remember the key phrase in that, it's chasing. You're trying to get to greatness. See, the great thing about being a fan is, is the chase. Because if we are fans and not like all of our teams won championships automatically, that would be awful. What's great is the chase. When Theo Epstein first came to the Chicago Cubs, I said, the mood's gonna change, guys. He's gonna win the World Series. And so he said, there's no way. I go, the mood's gonna change. That guy's gonna win a championship. But it was the chase to get there. It was the chase to get there. When the Chicago Bears in '85 were getting to the championship cap, the key was, it's like, you know that they were coming. You know, the defense was good. You know, Walter was great. But it was the chase to finally beat the Patriots to get there. Chasing, meaning the development is key for a rookie, not people's expectations, he'll get there. But the development has to happen first. We saw it in hard knocks. Bad throws by Caleb, bad reads. But that's part of the development. He may not get there in year one, but damn it. Year two, year three, oh my God. Yeah, Iber fluis even said. Year one, we get to year two. Year three, then you can see like a finished product or what he's gonna be. But there was a play yesterday at camp. Listen to me, we're watching practice yesterday. Caleb takes the snap in the gun. He looks right, he looks middle. He looks left, he looks back right, and then he fires a shot left to DJ Moore. Four reads, I went whoa, Mitch couldn't do that. Justin couldn't do that. Cutler couldn't do that. Holy cow, that kid has a chance to be super special. There's glimpses, but again, it's not all gonna happen in the game against the Titans or in season one. If it does, that's great. And if it does, he's gonna be able to create history because we haven't seen a rookie just from the rip, oh my God, Super Bowl champion and quite some time. So that's why I'm patient enough to watch. We said that Justin Fields isn't right for the job. I agree with that. Caleb Williams very well could be the right quarterback for the job, but again, there's gonna be growing pains. Yes. But here's the great thing about it. Ryan polls around him with veteran talent to foster him along. We saw that in hard knocks, just the idea like you're gonna tap him on the helmet like, it's all right. And Caleb's like, I gotta get better. And you will get better. But it's not all gonna happen in pre-season game number two. It's not all gonna happen all in one season. Even though it was simple, simple Simon, right? It was simple that Iberflu said. But he said it with profundity. He did. He said, winning habits make you a winner, losing habits make you a loser, right? Right. Right. I mean, I know that that sounds simple, but for some football players, it's like, yeah, that does make sense. Winning habits makes you a winner. Losing habits make you a loser. Right, and just didn't he say it to start? Winning games does not make you a winner. Yeah. Losing games does not make you a loser. And then he gets into the thing you just talked about. It sounds simple, but I mean, some things you just need bread crumbs just to follow. He just looks like a guy who, he may not have a contract extension, but he's making more money than he ever thought he'd make in his life. He's coaching a really talented football team, albeit one that has to keep developing with a rookie quarterback. But there has to be moments where he's like, okay, how did I get here? How did we go from playing at Toledo, working for Coach Saban, getting a job in the NFL, to a DC, to losing 14 straight in the whole world, saying your horn will get fired, to here we are today. He looks amazing. He's carrying himself with just really, really interesting grace and humility. Hey man, I'm just here doing a job. Let's go and to hear players that we've talked to, tell me what they think of playing for this guy. It's like, wow, maybe we were all wrong. We'll see. He's got to prove it on the field. - 3-1-2-3-3-2-E-S-P-N-3-3-2-3-7-7-6 is our phone number. We can open the phone lines to you, the Bears fan here on this Waddle Wednesday. Be a chance to watch hard knocks. We'd love to get your favorite part of the episode one of Hard Knocks as they cover the Chicago Bears. Coming up, a really, really big-time parallel was made on Hard Knocks between a goat and a rookie. We talk about that coming up next. We're going to hear from Ryan Polls, the general manager of the Bears at 735, Captain J. Hood weekday morning, 7 to 10. - Captain J. Hood live from training camp on ESPN Chicago live college of training camp is preceded by Hard Rock Casino, Northern Indiana. And is brought to you in part by the Chicago land at Northwest Indiana Chevy Diers. - It's a Captain J. Hood morning show on ESPN 1000 and we are streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. We're broadcasting live from Hal's Hall and Lake Forest. Thank you so much for being with us. We're hoping that you can have a great Wednesday, a Waddle Wednesday right here as we hear from Tommy coming up at 835 right here on ESPN 1000. So, Cap, also part of Hard Knocks, the HBO show that features the Chicago Bears, was parallels. We talk about chasing greatness, right? Well, the greatest champion that we've ever known in our city is Michael Jordan. And what we saw yesterday was parallels to Jordan's greatness and even they brought out Ray Clay, my friend Ray Clay. - He's so good. - Did not expect to see him out there. - Did he still the UIC voice? - He's not. - He's not. - He used to be. - Yes. - Yes, after his time with the Bulls, he was doing the basketball for the UIC flames, doing the introductions, which again, brings a lot of gravitas to the flames at that time. But Cap, it was interesting that HBO made that leap of saying, well, here's Caleb Williams, a rookie and this guy could be on the same plane as Michael Jordan. That's a tough statement. It's a really tough statement. Yes, that's the goal for I think every athlete, young and old, you want to be able to attain that type of status. Six championships in eight years, the greatest warrior will you ever seen. But I just thought in that spot, that's a tough stretch. It is. - Yeah, he's walking through the weight room and they're saying he could be the biggest thing since Michael Jordan. And I'm like, okay, hang on a second now. Patrick Kane won the MVP. He won three Stanley Cups. Jonathan Tapes, part of three cups. He was the captain, like the leader of that team. Marion Hostess, the greatest, maybe other than John Lester or a head of John Lester, free agent signing in the history of our city. Derek Rose won an MVP, like just let the kid, like Nick Saban said, the expectations are out of control. - Well, listen, this is why we've heard from some Bears fans already talking about I can't be part of this hype. I'm not sure because for some, it's a whirlwind. It's a furnace blast of too much hype. And but for me, I can control it. The reason why is because I know he's a rookie and I know he's got warts. Before we even see him on the field cap, because he's a rookie, he's never been in the NFL before. So I'm not saying he's a bust, but I'm also not saying that he's great. What I'm saying is, is that when I watch him, I saw what I saw in college. I thought this guy is an opportunity to be really special and opportunity. - But when you, when I just said the hype and you said the hype is out of control, when I say to you, I'll be disappointed if he doesn't get 4,000 yards, I'm part of that hype. But I do believe if that offense looks like it did yesterday and continues to develop, there's no reason if he's healthy, he doesn't throw for 4,000 yards. Oh my goodness. He's throwing deep ball here to Roman Dunezay. He throws one I talked about earlier to DJ Moore. There's Keenan Allen over the middle. Oh, and Tyler Scott's going right down the middle of the field. And there's Cole Cammett and Mercedes Lewis. Yeah, I like the weaponry. - But Michael Jordan though. - Yeah, that's what, that's insane. - I mean, they made that lot. They couldn't even get it to Derek Rose. They gave it to Michael Jordan. - But I said to you earlier in the year, when he's finished, if he achieves what we all believe he's capable of, a quarterback with the Bears, he leads them to a Super Bowl, he will go down behind only Michael Jordan. If, if he accomplishes all that. - I mean, even in today's NFL, what we're seeing with the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes is special. There's no doubt that runs going to continue for a while because Patrick Mahomes has showed with Andy Reid and the weapons he's had, even when Patrick Mahomes has had less than, as far as his weapons, he still finds a way to win. That's when you're great. Brady was great because he had the local mechanic and the guy that was doing your bushes as wide receivers and was able to win championships that way because Belichick made it harder for him. You're not going to get all pros at the wide receivers spot. Oh, no, no, no. We give you a good offensive line, we get a good running game. You can throw it to anybody. You can be great with anybody. Brady had to because that's the way the business was with the Patriots. - He had Gronk, that was the only time time where he had. - That's it? - Yeah. - So just think about that. So when I look at Caleb Williams, instead of just going over the top, and we're gonna hear from Ryan Polls talking about this coming up at 735, the whole thing, Cap, is that we have to just watch the developments. Hey, it's ready made offensively, there's no doubt. Running game wide receivers tight end, offensive line still is patchwork, but he has an opportunity to really succeed here. How far we're gonna find out because ultimately it's on his arm and his vision. And also on Shane Waldron. And Matt Eber Flus, as you saw the relationship between Matt Eber Flus and Caleb Williams, that has to mature too, that relationship, right? Where Matt Eber Flus got to be able to get to Caleb Williams and tell him what's right and what's wrong. You notice he was right behind him. - 'Cause just whispering in his ear. - 'Cause Saban said, "I like to stand behind my quarterback "so I could see what he sees "and then find out what he's looking at." That was great, then there's Matt right behind him. Did you see that there? Did you see the safety here? That window is gonna close a lot faster here than it did at USC. I'm like, let's go. I was ready, man. I had chills when that started and then YouTube goofs are texting me, no sprinklers. There's the sprinklers. I'm like, they're always in the cold open. They saved it for after the credits. - It was super cool, man. - We got to replay Caleb at the draft into the hard knocks open. It was great. - And the funny thing, all these people, buddy's in mind are texting me. Dude, they got a barber shop at Hallis Hall. It's one of the things Ryan Pace did for them. He designed that building with the architects. And while he may not have done a good enough job getting players here, Jalen Johnson, Cole Comette, Teva Jenkins not withstanding. The rest of the roster belongs to Ryan Poles. Pace did a good job with the building and the CE Replucin there and the barber shop was amazing. - Well, that's because he's a sexiest coach alive. - Holy cow. - And who was it that was wearing the same outfit? Ryan Griffin? - Yeah. - Dad, Ryan Griffin's wearing basically the same outfit as you. - Yeah. - It was super cool, right? Right, cream color, right? You see how sexy is that? So here's when you know that hard knocks matters because Peacock was watching it with me yesterday. Long day after work, and she goes, what time's hard knocks eight o'clock? I'm gonna make sure I'm in the room watching it with you. Close the laptop was watching, not online watching because she had questions as she was watching. And I said, before the clip happened, I go, you know, his wife really helped him out with the look for this, she said, he did? It's like, yeah, the wife, and then of course, his wife pops up and explains the whole thing with the beard and the hair and everything. She said, that is so cool. - Matt hadn't shaved for a couple of days and he wasn't going into the office. And I'm like, I like that. and then said pictures of Ryan Gosler, Ryan Reynolds. - Ryan Reynolds, yeah. - And somebody else, and I'm like, wow, look at him. From when he was like, a little heavier-- - Clean shaven. - Clean shaven as the Colt DC to this dude? - Yeah, he's hot, he's hot. - He's super cool. - That haircut and that beard looks like about 11, 10, 11 wins. - I loved it, I absolutely loved it. - 3-1-2-3-3-2-E-S-P-N-3-3-2-3-7-7-6-R phone number. You're taking away some hard knocks. If you watch, wanna hear your favorite parts of hard knocks. As we go to Elgin, here's Jay, with us here on Captain Jay Hood. Jay, good morning. - Good morning, Captain Hoodie. How you guys doing? - We're good, man, how are you? - Good, good, first time caller, long time listener, man, appreciate it. My company actually supplied the Hall of Fame plaques at Hall of Fame, and so I just wanted to, yeah, I just wanted to shout that out, but hard knocks, what I took away was the Nick Saban and Iber Flus talk. I thought that was awesome. Just him giving him his input, and I'm the team, I'm the quarterback. I thought that was super cool. - You know what was cool, too, at Saban walked in, there's Nick Saban with Kaleb. - Yeah. - Kaleb's shaking his head like, okay, you know what, we got, he's the goat of college football courts. Holy crap. - Absolutely. - We got Nick Saban here, and he's telling Iber Flus went a good player, he was in development. - Oh, man, I would just love to be a fly on the wall there. Just him, he probably coached up Kaleb, I'm sure there was conversation off camera, and man, to me, I think that's gonna make a huge difference. - Jay, we appreciate a telephone call, and here's the reason why that matters, is because you can go to an old sage, like Nick Saban, and see it all, right? In the NFL and in college football, and it's a resource he could tap. Look, he's not going to be Nick Saban, in my Iber Flus, but there's certain things. The way the home spun way, the way Nick Saban speaks, Cap. The way he speaks, it's very plain, it's right down the middle, it's very direct, it's not complicated, it's not X's and O's, it's just, it's about mental, it's also about just trying to figure out how to be able to get the best out of your players. One key that's underrated about that conversation, is because I never confront my quarterback in front of the team. - Oh, no, no. - Oh, I love that. - I can't do that. - 'Cause you know how Saban gets after his players. - Yeah, I don't confront the court, I talk to him privately. - Think about it. - Loved it. - Now, you would think it'd be across the board as Saban, when he gets upset, he hears everyone's ass out. Oh, no, no, no. He understands the quarterback is different. - Right. - I mean, Milro, the quarterback he had, I didn't think he was any good at the beginning, because he turned the ball over, all he was was a running quarterback, but he got better week in and week out to the point where it helped Alabama in a big way. But Milro at the beginning, you didn't see Saban go after him, but you could tell that there was a talk, a conversation to say, "I got the film here, young man, "let's take a look at some of your positives and negatives." - Right, like, what are you looking at here? - Yeah. There's a way, I mean, so that's why, for Iberfluze, that's great. You can see Iberfluze kind of leaning in, listening to coach, as they were having a conversation over the table. It's great. - Oh, I thought it was. - I thought it was spectacular. - Right, right. - It was spectacular. And then when he said, Peyton Manning threw 28 interceptions as a rookie, they went two and 14. And if there was first take, first take Shay would have called him the biggest bust, right? You know you would, oh, stop yourself. If there's one thing I famously give rookie QBs three years unless they're truly abhorrent, like Bryce Young, who just has, like, I think frankly, biological issues in terms of his height and size. - It's famous, by the way. Everyone knows it. It's famously, he says that. - On this show, I've always said, rookie quarterbacks get three years for me. - You're welcome for us making you famous. - Yeah, exactly. - Thank you. - And so downtown Dean is with us here on cap and Jhood. Dean, good morning. - Hey, good morning, guys. Love watching that last night. I wanted to say a couple of things. I want to preface this by saying, I know every one of these players was the best on their high school and college teams pretty much, but you watch that clip with Nick Saban that you guys played and that they show on HBO or on Mac.com. But what he says, afterwards, you know, some people bring out the worst in you and some people bring out the best and there are remarkably rare ones, guys, who bring out the most of everything you don't even know that you have. This guy said it's human nature to be average, not to win championships. It's not to be the best you can be in these coaches. We think that's all athletes want, but that's not what they want. And every now and then you get a guy who's got all that stuff in the great leader, but you got to make guys like that. You got to make them that way. And that's the difference between guys like Nick Saban and guys like that Huggie, what's the guy's name down in Dallas? McCarthy. - McCarthy, yes. - That's the difference between guys like that. - Take that! - Take that, Dean. - Take that. - Thank you, Dean. I'm here to tell a phone call. Coming up, the general manager for the Chicago Bears, Ryan Polls. As we broadcast live from Hal's Hall in Lake Forest, Cap and J-Hood, weekday morning seven to 10. - Checkmate 1-6, land use of pressure on target. - That's why I see him in my shot. - Shot. - Or no shot with Cap and J-Hood on ESPN 1000 and ESPN Chicago at. - That's why I see him in my shot. - Good morning and welcome in to the Cap and J-Hood morning show on ESPN 1000. And we're streaming on the ESPN Chicago app with David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you broadcasting live from Hal's Hall here in Lake Forest and now it's time for shot and no shot. Here's Shay Norley. - Good morning, boys. On a beautiful Wednesday, nice enough to be outside. And Hal is all today up if there's training here. - It's gorgeous, you're well done, Danny and Eric. Well done, get us out here again. - Awesome. HBO did a very nice job making this place look special on Hart Knox yesterday. How are we feeling on a Wednesday? - Well, it is special. Certainly is special. Look at what they've done to the facility here. Look how the green grass and of course the trees, everything else, it is beautiful. It is absolutely awesome. I told you walking around yesterday, I went to both fields. It is just a different vibe. I'm watching guys how to interact and last night, DJ Moore gets his contract extension on Hart Knox and who was the first guy he talked to down there, put pen to paper and they were talking, Nate Davis. So all this, I don't know about this Nate Davis and how his teammates are. - That was the first guy he talked to. I thought it was cool. - So the Nate Davis thing is not about his bedside manner, it's about whether or not he can stay healthy. - Exactly. - Can he play football? - That's what he had. - That's the ultimate question. - Good enough guy. Just kind of wonder whether or not he's gonna make this football team. - Yeah, he's gotta stay healthy and be on the field man. - So yeah, good to see George, by the way, coming by and his scooter, zipping right by. Good morning, good morning. - Hey, he just walks. He just comes right by and the scooter. - Let's see that. - So, all right, Che, what do we have? - All right, Hart Knox last night introduced Caleb Williams by comparing him to Chicago's all-time greatest and Michael Jordan. It was complete with the Allen Parsons project, passing montage from Caleb. All of the hype imaginable. - Well, we're gonna play it. - I don't think you can get bigger in terms of hype and it was funny with Saban talking about the media expectations and all this, for HBO to comp him to Michael Jordan, play Allen Parsons, all of it. You can't get bigger, that was the culmination of the Caleb Williams hype for me. It also got me thinking. Biggest thing since Michael Jordan is one thing. What would it take? What would Caleb need to do to be bigger than Michael Jordan? - Impossible. - Shot or no shot? Caleb Williams would need to win six Super Bowls to be bigger than Michael Jordan. - He can win eight. He's not gonna be bigger than Michael Jordan. He will never be bigger than Michael Jordan and that's insanity to even talk about it. I don't believe he can win more than Brady. He will not ever be bigger than Michael Jordan. He's not the athlete, the high flyer. He won't have the impact on society, Michael ad, with Jordan Brand. - That's a multi-billion dollar company. Like worldwide, it's never gonna be that. - To be that brand, it's gotta be more than just the championships. I know that we kind of dumb down our sports conversation about how many rings in a box does a guy have? It's more than just the rings in the box. It's just everything around it. It's just the Jordan way of doing things where you have players immolating you. The business side of it. Like Jordan's still making money hand over fist. He hasn't picked up a basketball since he was with the Wizards. So when it comes to Caleb Williams, he won't reach that Jordan status. But my hope is that he can be able to be great. - Yes. I mean, Michael is so far and away ahead of LeBron and this is not a shot at LeBron. - Yeah. - LeBron's done a lot of wonderful, wonderful things. We have two different players going in the hall of fame for professional football that were shouting out Michael Jordan. Julius Peppers and Dwight Frini. - Yeah. - And again, LeBron's a great player and Kareem's a great player. Michael is on another level where it's, listen to what other players say. - Dude, it ain't even close. Who was the guy the other day that said something? - About Jordan? - Yeah, there was a big name at it. He said, folks, there's a lot of great players. It's not close. Michael is on a different planet. Nobody's close to him. - It was a sweet spot in the '90s to be able to watch a guy be able to develop, to be the champion that he was. And for people to stamp in it like, yep, that's the goat. Even though people love LeBron, the point is, though, is that it's more than just a basketball. So I would say not six championships. - I think I hate eight championships. - I agree with both of you. I think there's something interesting in it. We're like, is it NBA players? There's something about them that's more accessible because we see their face when we turn them on. There's obviously fewer of them on the floor. So the greatest feel closer to us, they feel more recognizable than the NFL greats. We're like, obviously Tom Brady, everybody knows. But I think as a brand, Jordan is bigger than Brady. - Oh, that's not even close. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Not even close. - Something about being seen while you play versus having a helmet on. It takes the commercials, the advertising, everything else for people to see you, to see your face with Brady, with the Brady brand. I mean, people enjoyed Brady as a football player, but when he took the helmet off, the big shock of hair, the handsome face, the cleft chin, people say, oh, underneath that helmet, that's a handsome man. But that's after the fact, though. - Right, but he's not worldwide, like, NBA. - Well, the other thing is the NBA basketball is so much more international. That's where this gets interesting, is Caleb is entering the league at a very critical point where the league's trying to go international. So if the league has that international success, that's where I do think Caleb would have a shot. - Yeah, except football is never going to be bigger than soccer. Football is never gonna be bigger than basketball internationally in China. They're not worried about football like we are here. - I'll tell you one thing, they're gonna try. Yeah, they're gonna try. You see what's happening in the Goodell administration. They're gonna try. - They are. - Because as Shay's been lamenting, the idea that you're getting football every day, we get it in Mexico. - Melbourne, Australia. - You can't get out of here. - I mean, they just keep doing it. They keep trying. They want to be able to catch up to basketball. Whatever you think of basketball, it's not like it used to be. It's still the global game. The NFL wishes that it could be like that. - Agreed. - All right, Shay. - All right, Hardknocks also highlighted last night, a couple of players on the fringes of the roster, Theo Benedict, who had his stellar moment singing in an American eagle thong, basically. So he also suffered a great two strain in the preseason game on a field goal rep. They also showcased Colin Johnson, who was joking about making history with his performance at the Hall of Fame game. Shot or no shot, one of these two guys will make the Bears roster. - That's a shot, Colin Johnson. And I know that that was a hype in practice yesterday, Cap, we're watching Colin Johnson to see him in person. - Big guy, big neck, tall guy, Johnson. Johnson's gonna make the football team, but he will not have the heroics as we saw in game one in the preseason. He'll make the team, but those are DJ Moore's touchdowns. That was a Roma Dunes day's touchdowns. There's a spot for him. - There is. - But not a main spot. - No, not yet. He looked really, really good, but you're right. - Those touchdowns against the Tennessee Titans, that's touchdown, DJ Moore. Keenan Allen across the back of the end zone. - Those are their touchdowns. - Agree. - So no, but as far as the eagle, the Canadian eagle, I think that's what you were loose called him. - The Canadian Eagle. - The Canadian Eagle. - Yeah, the Canadian Eagle. - Yeah. - So, with that, - No, the Canadian Eagle was the kid, the lineman, right? - Yeah, yeah, better though. - But what did he call Colin Johnson? He had a name for him too, didn't he? Didn't he? - I don't think so. There's a lot of Jerry Rice talking on that pile. And Jerry Rice tonight, Jerry Rice, right? - And I was listening, I was on the post-game show last, I brought to you by Dr. Pepper after Hart Knox, and Sylvie and a bunch of us were talking that when Colin Johnson was there, and then you've got this Caleb Williams. He's gonna be around a while, and who was it, DJ Moore? They received her, she'd think they're keeping. - You know what, I thought that was really good. - Did I just say something? - That was raw. - I thought that that conversation was odd. - You're a rookie. Why do you care how many receivers, or how many quarterbacks around it? It's just something that you and I would talk about. - Well, that was DJ who said that. - No, but on the sideline, we saw Caleb Williams, right from what the head said. - Yeah. - And then we're discussing like the roster composition. - Yeah, he said, Colin Johnson, that guy's gonna be here for a while, like really good. And then TJ goes, how many receivers do you think they're keeping? That's how it came out. - You're strange. - I don't know. - Caleb's like, I don't know. - I don't know. - The Canadian Eagle, I don't know, Shay, with that injury. - He's gonna miss all the camp. - I know. - That feels like the heartbreaker or hard knocks, where Paul's gonna have to miss all the camp. - Yeah. - Theo, we're sorry, man. - That's okay. He's got a $20,000 signing bonus. Shay? - In this economy. - That's what he said. - Gonna last him a few weeks. The speaking of guys who might not make the roster, the Bears have started giving Vailus Jones reps in the backfield as a ball carrier. It's not an unprecedented position switch. Vailus in his career limited sample has been effective. Running the football, so shot or no shot. If Vailus Jones wants to make this team, it will be as a gadget running back in the vein of Cordeiro Patterson. God. - That's so so, yeah. - I do not think Paul's cuts a third round pick. His first offensive player he touched. I don't think he's cutting it. I don't. He's gonna let him return kicks in this new format. He's gonna let him do exactly the gadget type stuff. I don't see him getting caught. - Too bad Johnson is not in that particular situation. I wish it was a real battle between Vailus Jones and Colin Johnson. I think I know who would win that one. - Yeah, I don't think Vailus is getting caught. Now he's strong, tough, shifty. We'll see. - Yeah. - If they do move on from Herbert, there's a spot for a running back on this team. - No doubt. - If they're running back, it could be Vailus Jones. - No doubt. - Waddle wanted to have Herbert in the kick return role if he's not gonna be the running back. And Paul's on our interview we just had. - Yeah. - Shot it out DeAndre Swift. How good he's looked at practice. - Yep. - So if you got him and Roshan, then there's a strong chance that you're probably moving on from Khalil Herbert. - Yes. - I was just never a fan of Vailus Jones being on this roster from the beginning as you well know when he was drafted. Just didn't get it. - Was he 31 years old with four kids when he was drafted out of Tennessee? - Yeah, yeah. - Yes, and smoking. - Wow. - Twice divorced already. - He was. - Couple kids from multiple marriages. - Just way too much. I thought, you know, I just didn't think he'd, and if he wants to come by and yell at me from five yards away, he can. - Oh. - He's like, Jeffrey Simmons. - Oh no. - Putty, stay here. Don't go after him. Take that. - You want the headset? Vailus, would you like the headset? - Absolutely. - I'm just telling you, I was up front and even on Camp Grounds, I'm telling you. - I wish the Bears could upgrade that position. - Also last night on the Heart Games Post Games, Art Knox Post Games Show brought to you by Dr. Pepper. One, Mark Silverman was cushing over the handsomeness of Matt Eberfluce, consistently reminding people on the show. He's handsome, he's handsome. I also, frankly, was rather astonished. Seeing Matt Eberfluce poolside in his backyard at that party, off white quarter zip, white pants, white sneakers, he was fitted up, looking good, the beard's taken care of, the new haircut, shot or no shot. Matt Eberfluce has become one of the most handsome coaches in the NFL. - That's a shot. He's hot. He's, he, he, well, cap. That look? That looks like 10 wins to me. It's 11 to win to me. That's 11 win coach to me. - I hope you're right. - Look at him. He's hot, the glow up is outstanding. - Yeah, he deserves a lot of credit, as does his wife and daughters. - Is this the thing? Is this like, he's laying around, he's frustrated from the season, he's got the beard going. It's like, hey, what if you trim this up a little mustache, a little muscling of the hair? Oh yeah, perfect. - Yeah, we're done using the product coach. You need to buy this hair dryer. - $600, I said to my wife, I told you this. I said to my wife, do you have one of those dice and, but yes, I said, you do. She's like, yes, she's gonna use it every day. It's the greatest, but it's not cheap. - Now, so I, yeah, he looks like, he looks like a playoff coach to me. He's got that Matt LaFluor, Kyle Shanahan energy. - Yes, yes. - Gotta look the part. - Let's go. - His sound bites are so much better now. When he first got here, he just right to struggle his way through, but now he's, he's pretty much locked in. - He looks good, man. - Yeah. - So, right? - All right, coming up, we will give you around the NFL. Don't forget, it's the Waddle of Wednesday. We'll talk to Tommy coming up at 835. Captain Jay Hood broadcasting live from Hal's Hall and Lake Forest on ESPN 1000 and also on our YouTube channel. - Captain Jay Hood live from Training Camp on ESPN Chicago. - Live coverage of Training Camp is presented by Hard Rock Casino Northern Indiana and is brought to you in part by the Chicago land and Northwest Indiana Chevy Diers. - Knit both sucks, these sucks. - I'm just a fan, I'm not a football evaluator. - I love the Green Bay Packers. - The guy is front, but there he goes. - This is not Detroit, man. This is the Super Bowl. - I love winning. - He starts to come at any moment. - This is a really thickly built guy. - I mean, what's the answer? You're looking for all of these things here, huh? - Whoa! - Time to go around the NFL, right here on ESPN 1000 and streaming out of the ESPN Chicago app. With you till 10 o'clock here from Hal's Hall and Lake Forest until 10 and then Mike Greenberg comes in at 10 followed by Carmen Eurko at 12 to two and then White Sox baseball is a take on the A's, a two o'clock pregame, a two forty first pitch right here on the home of the White Sox, ESPN 1000. Wanda and Sylvie after the show. - Black and Abdullah after White Sox. - Black and Abdullah after the White Sox and then Amber and Ian. - Around the NFL. - Here's Shane Orlick. - Last week, Cody, I gave you a teams that made the playoffs in 2023 that I expect to miss the playoffs in 2024. Today I'm flipping it. Teams that missed the playoffs in 2023 that I expect to be playoff teams this season. - Okay. - Starting right here. - Hey, honestly, I got to write this down. - At Hal's Hall. We have a podcast, a little chunks and we'll put this on a little chunks and you don't even have to write it down. - Yeah, you can just pick it up later off the YouTube channel, youtube.com/atcappinjood. - Yeah, but when I have to refer to this when he's wrong, at least I've got the yellow pad page in front of me. - That's fine. Teams, I expect to make the playoffs after missing last season. I begin with the Chicago Bears right here at Hal's Hall, adding a quarterback in Caleb Williams, immediately insulating him with high level receivers, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen. You get a top ten receiver in the draft and roll with Dunes A, took him in the top ten. You rework DJ Moore's contract that actually added cap space this off season, sitting at 21 million currently. I think there's a move left out of this form. - Four or two. - This is before the season gets started or two. They have set themselves up really well that if health is good, they can contend in this division. They should win 10 games and be a wild card team in the NFC. - And the 21 mil does not have to be spent by opening day. Maybe they get Yannick and Gakwe, who I keep hearing from people I trust, is pricing himself a little too rich for the Bears' blood. So they're like, "We're gonna wait." And that allows you at the trade deadline, like when you got Montez Sweatt, you got like nine or 10 draft picks next year. Wait a second now, we can trade for that too. And you don't know what God forbid injury pops up. - My old waddle talking about it yesterday, you have an extra second round pick, so if the Jets and Hassan Redick can't come to terms and they wanna hold you over a barrel and a deal, whatever. Take it. - Here you go. We'll take 'em. Let's go. - Yeah, I would agree that the Bears, a nine playoff team becomes a playoff team this year. - Yep. - Shay? - All right, the next up team, the Cincinnati Bengals. This one, almost cheating. Last year they missed the playoffs, but they had nine win talent without their quarterback. This year, Joe Burrow expected to be healthy. I don't think it's all great news out of Cincinnati, off field stuff happening with Trey Hendrickson and with Jamar Chase, but they got Jermaine Burton in the draft, wide receiver out of Alabama, who I really like as a higher level, depth kind of receiver. Joe Burrow's proven in crunch time, fourth quarter of games, he's nails. I think we'll make the playoffs as long as Burrow stays healthy. - Yeah, I wonder if I could fast forward through his career, Shay, what does Burrow's career look like? Is it just the one Super Bowl appearance? Is he winning Super Bowl, because the Super Bowl's not for everybody, right? You can go for it, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you can win it. So I'd like to know what his career is going to be like. I think individually, with his numbers, I think it'll be great, but a Super Bowl still to be determined. I think a perennial playoff team, the Bengals, but a championship level, we're gonna find out, not so sure. - He's an awesome football player and a great dude. Everybody talks about how good he is in the room and in the community. Like he's got the whole package, but can he win a Super Bowl? - Do you mind, Chase walks out the door or T Higgins walks out the door? Where you get one of those? - I did, the individual accomplishment, I have nothing against that. I'm just wondering whether or not he'll ever win a Super Bowl championship. And we're past the old days of Cincinnati being cheaper, the worst organization in the world. We're past that, we're past the Marvin Lewis days, but I'm just wondering, will the Bengals supply him with enough for him to be able to achieve that goal? - We'll find out. - Now they gotta prove they're, they still have to prove to me that they're different in terms of the cheapness. This, Jamar Chase things a little ongoing. You've dealt with the T Higgins stuff, you've dealt with the Trey Hendricks and stuff. Frankly, if I'm the Bengals fan, I'm furious at my organization for letting it get to this point. So they have to prove that to me, but I think as far as this season goes, those issues are gonna be resolved. They're going to be good on the football team. - We'll hope so. - Next team up, the Atlanta Falcons. They're going to win the NFC South. That division's a joke. Tampa Bay the last two seasons combined was 17 and 17. They won the division both years. The only reason the Falcons didn't win it last year, 'cause their head coach was an idiot. How does a team draft Beijon Robinson, Kyle Pitts, Drake London, consecutive drafts, you're going elite weaponry in the first round. And then not use them. I have to imagine with a new coaching staff, you're gonna use your best weapons. Kirk Cousins joins the fray. That team wins the division, they go to the playoffs. - So what do we have in that division? - Carolina, terrible. New Orleans, Tampa won it in Atlanta. Those are the four. - Yep. - Yeah, I'm with you, 100%. - 100%. - Yeah, with the Falcons, because it's Kirk Cousins, a healthy cousin now, let's watch him now. I haven't heard anything in camp about him, just as if yet she, on a flowery branch. Anything happening here with his injury, how does he look? Because it's all gonna be on his shoulder. You know he's gonna get you there. How, what happens when he gets there is a different story. But he can get you there because he's that good. - They're the dream, I think, for the Bears. If the Bears can get a match up in the wildcard round, I think Atlanta's the dream match up. I think that's the team you want. One and done Cousins. Caleb can get a playoff win. - That's the match up you want. How about that, Kyle? - Yeah, I'm not. - Not to get 17 weeks ahead of myself. - Really making the preseason point to you. If there's any, like if the Bears are gonna be a wildcard team, if there's any division winner that you want, it's probably the one that wins this out. - I'm gonna reserve judgement. - I'll wait, let's see how this all plays out. - You are going to reserve judgement pool. - I take a measured approach. - Check. - Next team, I'm gonna start taking some long shots here. Hoodie. - A lie. - Huh? - The Indianapolis Colts will make the playoffs. - That's a lie. I think the Houston Texans win that division, adding what they did on the pass rush is great to me. I still have questions about Jacksonville. Offensive line is an absolute disaster. When you've Travis ETN and you still can't run the football, you stink. The Colts, to me, I'm excited about Anthony Richardson. I flipped my position on him. He's a physical freak that I do have belief in is an NFL quarterback Shane Steichen, one of the best play callers in football. Year two, a roster with a ton of continuity. Good offensive line, they're good up front. I trust Chris Ballard as much as anyone in this league in terms of talent acquisition. I think the Colts are flying way under the radar, wild card team in the AFC. - Yeah, they ticket, a secret ticket on the cold shake. - I may, I may have bet the yes next to Colts playoffs. - That's what I'm talking about. - He can smell the ticket from here, Cap. The secret ticket on the cold. It's good to Alex Brown joins us here on Cap and Jay Hood. - I like it, I like it. - Shane's looking around like where's Alex? - I know, I mean you. - And then I see another Eberflus is looking like, everybody's growing Eberflus is beard, right? Everybody wants to look like Maddie. - Actually, I had it first, so maybe Eberflus is. - Oh yeah, that's it. - He might be. - Eberflus cop your style. Yeah, let's get that on hard knocks. Maddie Eberflus swaggerjack and David Kaplan. - I would've said beard, not the snow on the roof. - But you could though, you could have a little drop top as well, like a little day bound if you like. - Yeah, I'll have. - Top down today hoodie, doo doo doo doo doo. - Yeah, I'm not gonna have the horseshoe as my wife called around the back. - No, Colts, how about that everybody? Secret ticket, Colts? - Yes, playoffs, the plus money action. - Interesting. - Make yourself some money. - You're loose, I don't know. Maybe I just am totally wrong on this, I can roll. The last team I got for you to make the playoffs that missed last year is the Seattle Seahawks. I am not really a Pete Carroll guy. I know he's accomplished a lot. I don't view him as particularly innovative. I don't think he was an especially great in-game coach and he surrounds himself with really good assistance, had a talented football team. But all he ever ran was a cover three. There was never any adjustment. The offenses were vanilla, bland. Look, I actually think they may have upgraded but Mike McDonald. I think Mike McDonald can modernize this defense. He was stellar at Michigan with his internship with Jim Arba. He was stellar in Baltimore with Jim Arba's brother John. Now he gets a chance to be the head guy in Seattle. I think Seattle can bounce back a little bit, get to the playoffs. I also think this is in part because, look, the 49ers got problems on their hands. Brandon Iyuk is apparently going to be traded, sounding this morning more and more like Pittsburgh, so England took themselves out of it because I doesn't want to play there. If he's traded and the Niners' offense has to take any kind of step back, I think Dallas takes its step back. There's a spot and I think Seattle can occupy it. And with Dallas being out of the mix. Yeah, Dallas out of the mix, how about that? Now that is confirmed McCarthy fired and Dallas doesn't make the playoffs. Oh, come on, come on. He's in the final year of his deal. By the way, Pete Carroll's got 291 wins. I don't think he's that good. I don't, you're out of your freaking mind. I think he surrounds himself with really good assistance. That's just a stupid dumb take. He's got one almost 300 games. He's got a little hall of fame. Yes, stop yourself. Come on, you're smarter guiding that. You can go, he's not my cup of tea. The guy's that damn good football coach. His end game stuff for years now has been a disaster. He's over there chewing gum hands on his knees. Doesn't know when to use his timeouts. The tip. How about the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl? Shake it. The dumbest play call in history. Just chop on your gum, Pete. Chop on your gum. He won 291 games. Good for him. This dude, right here. Yeah, I don't like him. He doesn't know what he's doing to think that, stop. You're better than that. That just, I've always thought he's not. Anybody who won't just hand the ball to Marshawn Lynch on the one yard line in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl just keep chomping on the gum, Pete. And that is our look around the NFL right here on the ESPN 1,000. And streaming on the ESPN Chicago app, what flavor of gum will Carol have when he goes to Hall of Fame? The exact coach. And I hope he calls Shay out right in the start of his speech. Good for him. Dumb ass Shay Norling in Chicago. Hall of Fame bust Super Bowl 291 wins. Take that in. I'm happy for him. Get your gold jacket. Wonderful. I didn't think you were that great. All right, we'll hear from Tom Waddle with a Waddle Wednesday as we broadcast live from House Hall here in Lake Forest. Cap and Jhood, week day morning 7 to 10.