They got to do a great call, then Buck got to wax poetic about it. It's also a good thing that Dalton Varshot doesn't give up on anything because he might have packed up his bags and gone home at this point in the season, quite frankly, but I'm like, you know what, I know where this is going, so it's a good thing. He doesn't give up. He's got that gumption inside him, Blue Jays, picking up a win, playing the parade. No, we only do those jokes for the Leafs, apparently. Varshot also picking up a couple of Knox 5-2 final for the Jays over the Orioles there yesterday. So what you look for, the rest of the way this season, there are other things like you want to see moments from, you know, the low perfetos of the world and the guys who are, you know, now a part of this team, but hey, man, still a lot of baseball left here. And if you can enjoy beating one of the better teams in for sure, the division, for sure, the American League, if not all of baseball, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe the rest of this season isn't for you because you're going to have some games like that. You might as well enjoy it. Yeah, you have to. And I think the key is for watching this team is just looking for guys that are going to be a part of this thing next year and years going forward. You'd mentioned low perfeto. We could talk about Addison Barger made a really good play yesterday. Dalton Varsho's going to be a part of this as well. Like Dalton Varsho plays like that or how you can put up with a 202 batting average and only having 13 home run. Kind of. Sort of. But he doesn't. But like Chris Bass said, it's like all the time. This guy's doing this, right? No chance. He will make the play. And that has at least been a bright spot is his defensive abilities because the offensive abilities certainly haven't been there, not the way they started in April where we're like, Oh, maybe he's maybe he's kind of figured it out here. No, he hasn't figured anything out, but he is a good defensive player. I just I think when if you're trying to, you know, not hate watch this team, I think there are a lot of things that you can look at and say, OK, can Vlad. He continue his toward pace, hitting streaks up to what 18 games now. He's been great. There is one thing though. And I do wonder about this and when we talk to John Marosio and ask him about it, how how much do you get caught up in what you see when your team's out of it late in the season? And I'm not even talking about September. I'm talking about August. And just to clarify there, they're just just to clarify. And can you get like teams can get enamored with numbers in this timeframe? And then when it comes time where the game's actually matter, it's like, Oh, OK, that's that's why that guy was where he was. Like earning comment might be a prime example of that. Back end of the lineup guys, like your 24th, 25th guy on the roster. And he's hitting lights out right now, but the games don't matter. So how much do you weigh like? I know teams do get caught up in it because we see it all the time, but it is at least fun to watch these guys perform, but the question is going to be if this team wants to be competitive, which they do, how many of these guys are going to be a part of it? Yeah, I think the guy was on the mound last night is as interesting an equation as any there. I mean, you see if you're, you know, again, pick your pick your playoff team that was sniffing around, starting, I don't know, the Orioles, for example, yeah, and you see him shut down a pretty good lineup last night over seven innings and give you a chance and save your pen and more than give you a chance, you know, picks up the win and saves the pen. I'd imagine there are a couple teams kicking themselves. And I think Bassett is such an interesting candidate because he doesn't necessarily have the profile of the guy you think of adding for a postseason. You know, it's not, it's not, you know, triple digits or it's not even Kakuchi, you know, like upper nineties from the left side. It just profiles a little differently. And I don't think I'm not sitting here saying they made some grievous error or not trading Bassett. Although when you look at the halls, they were able to get for, I mean, quite frankly, Kakuchi with just a pure rental, you do wonder what you could have gotten. That's the thing that kind of jumps out of everything from last night's game to me is you just see Bassett with a performance like that. And I'm not going to sit here and tell you some grievous error that they didn't trade them because I think that they want to compete next year. And obviously you're going to be a part of that need some starters to do that. But man, if you got what you got for Kakuchi from the Astros, what could you have got for Bassett, especially when you, and again, like I said, 2020, but you, this isn't, this isn't the White Sox. He did it too. This is the Orioles. It's a dangerous lineup that thumps. It is, and I had that thought in my brain as well about like how many of these, I don't like that thought as much anymore. I liked it when it was in my brain. Well, my, my thought was how many of these guys in this rotation do I want to see next year on this team? Yeah. And you know they're guys that are, that have big tickets. I think that there would be interest in all three of, not I think, I know there would be interest in all three of them, despite the money that they make. But are these like they're even with those three guys, they're still a lot of work that needs to be done with that rotation. Like, what is Alec Manol when he comes back? When he's, when he's, when is he coming back? He teed him. He teed him. Who knows? And those are just got like is Bloss going to be a part of this rotation might be better be the way they built it out. But there's just so many questions that I don't know that whatever you can add around those guys, if it is going to be good enough to be competitive. And that's why I do wonder about maybe trading one of them in the off season to try and recoup more assets. The only problem is it goes against this line of thinking that this team wants to be competitive, which I believe that they do because they just spent the whole boatload of money on a renovation. I see why they want to be competitive. I just don't know that that is something that is based in reality right now. Yeah. So let's say they keep all the guys. So then your rotation is a 34 year old Kevin Gosman, a Chris Bassett that'll be turning 36, Jose burrios, who's just entering his 30s, your, your Rodriguez, and then fill in the blank acts. I mean, Bowdoin Francis, been there, done that. I think we're good on that. Yeah. gloss obviously could be a part of that, but I don't think they want to hand that to him. I think that he is still a player at his point in time where you want to give him every opportunity to earn it, but you don't want him to be in pen heading into spring as part of your rotation because you don't want to just hand things to these guys. I think they had, they kind of have to earn their spot there. So that's the thing is when you look at this team with the way they've wanted to stay in contention, they clearly see it through the rotation because there is no world where if they got what they got for Kakuchi that they couldn't have got. And again, like these guys have had differing results throughout the course of the year, but they couldn't have got something close to that for Bassett, maybe Gossman's a little different because he has a little more money left on the ticket there, but I also think Gossman's a guy that playoff teams would trust a ton. So I think that's going to be the kind of, we look back at this deadline and who knows what we'll say about it five years from now, but right now in the moment, we think they did a great job rightfully. So I think that's the question people are going to have coming out of this is if there is not a competitive team next year, how much did you miss the boat on not moving Gossman, not moving Bassett burios have been slightly different and I think he's here. I thought Bassett was the most likely outside of Kakuchi of that group. Part of the conversation is too is, and I know this is going to sound like I'm getting way ahead of myself here, but we've seen guys do it, maybe not as quick. But Trey Savage, who they drafted is a guy that during the draft process and when the draft was happening, was talked about as a guy that could really fly through the minor league system. I'm not saying that he's Paul Skeens, but Paul Skeens played one year in the minors. Now he's a, now he's a sci young candidate already for the pirates. Yeah. And we had a chance to, you know, Ben and I did the show from the J's care, the J's care golf tournament earlier this year, and we were talking earlier this month, we were talking to cattle and Otto and Jose Cruz, Jr. and Jose Cruz, Jr. actually managed against you, Savage. He's coaching or he's managing a rice, I believe now. And he had a chance to see him and, you know, everything, even from those guys, and, you know, obviously they're connected to the J's a little, they're going to want to say a nice thing about the sexy first round pick, but they were super bullish on them too. And it was from a standpoint of, yeah, we saw it and it was no fun to see. You always have to be careful with that because careful what you wish for. I'm not saying Alec Beno is in the spot he's in now because I'm not saying Alec Beno is in the spot he's in now because he got to the big league so quickly. But you know, sometimes guys arrive quicker and hey, you want to use your bullets before they're not available to you. Just look at Ricky Tiedemann. We'll have more on the J's coming up at 730. John Marosi going to join us then, but right now my friend and yours, Michael Grange joining us Grange. How are you doing this morning? I'm doing very well. Very well. How are you guys? I'm a little disappointed. I was all excited. I wanted my big Canada basketball moment and to tell all the French to eat it at their home arena and it didn't work out so well for us Grange. Just kind of I won't leave the witness, but your first blush reaction to what happened in that quarter yesterday between Canada and France. Yeah, I just think that it's international basketball and as much as you want to predict and you want to play favorites and you want to kind of game these things out, it's just shown over and over again that in the format of these tournaments, which are at this point, of course, single elimination when you're playing quality opponents, you just cannot predict what's going to happen. And you know, I think if we had taken a survey and said, listen, you know, Rudy Gorebear is going to play four minutes not score Victor Remedy and I was going to score six points, go to 10 and play 23 minutes. And Devin Fournier is going to score 15 points. You say, yeah, well, Canada is going to win in a blow up. This is great. You know, and Shay, you know, Shay Goers, Alexander goes off for 27. I mean, we're home, it's fun and you have three guys that, you know, you'd have to be a really, really, you know, committed international basketball fan to have on your radar as teams that could send a team as good as Canada as guys who could send a team as Canada as good as Canada home. And they combine for 55 points and that's it. And we've seen this happen to Canada in other tournaments. It happens all the time everywhere and just the timing is pretty unfortunate. Yeah, it's brutal. I mean, you mentioned the Wembley stuff there. I think we all could have, you know, we were outlining the expectations for this game on the show yesterday. And the way I put it is, you know, I expect Canada to win. I think that is what they would expect of themselves, but I'm not going to sit here and be disappointed if Victor Wembanyama, you know, goes superhuman, but that just didn't happen. And I think that's the other part of it that kind of leads to the disappointment at all. We always hear about the idea of international games being so fast. I mean, they're just literally in a shorter, but the clock just seems to run, run, run. That run that France got off to to start those to start the game. And then the arena is just rock is does it feel like it was kind of over from then? I know they got it pretty close back, but it just felt like that initial kind of punching them out that France was able to give Canada and they just never really seemed to get back on their front foot. Yeah, I mean, it's tough to give up a 15-point lead in the first quarter. But the good news is it is the first quarter, right? Like you have another 30 minutes to get back into it, they're down 13 after the first. And you know, as much as the crowd was in a factor at the beginning, to me, they were almost, it was almost more significant at any point when Canada did make a push. You know, France always found the energy to push back and then did it affect the officiating? Yeah, I mean, I think there's been studies in history that show that home crowds do sometimes have an impact on the officiating and, you know, I don't think that's the only factor, but you know, I think it was at a 42-25 disparity in free throws, France earned a lot of those. You know, they really honed in on, you know, Canada's only real weakness, which is they just didn't have a ton of size up front and, you know, they were able to, especially in the first half, get second chance points, exploit, just by the volleyball down near the basket. And the result was a trip to the free throw line, one trip to the very full line, another trip to the free throw line. And that really combined with the crowd, that just gives the crowd so much energy. They had that pause, you know, you get to chew the whistle, you get to chew the free throw, and meanwhile, Canada is standing around and going, "What do we have to do here?" And then, you know, it was just a tough set of circumstances, but, I mean, they didn't play good enough. I mean, that's, you know, that's really how it works out. And the guy who is really wearing it and did yesterday and will today for the next little bit is Jamal Murray, and he just didn't look like the Jamal Murray that we have seen in the previous years in the NBA. It was as rough of a stretch as we've seen from Jamal Murray. How much do you think that coming off the bench played a factor in this? I may be completely off base here, but this is a guy that regularly starts for his NBA team, who's a star, who demands the ball outside of Nicole Yochich. Do you think that was a factor, or was it just, this was just a rough stretch of basketball for Jamal Murray? I think it's more, it was a rough stretch of basketball for Jamal Murray. I know he made some comments to a Denver reporter saying it was an adjustment for him coming off the bench. It was tough to get used to it, but, you know, once the game started, you know, you're not coming off the bench all the time, right? Like, I mean, you know, at what point does not starting in the first quarter of impact your, how are you playing in the fourth quarter? I'm not sure. You know, he says he was an injured. I thought he moved okay. I think what happened here is, you know, for good, there's two things I think that went into that consideration. Juan is Jordi Fernandez, with good reason, Juan had emphasized Canada's perimeter strength defensively, and that was, seemed like a flawless decision in the first three games. You know, Canada's the best lineup, their starting lineup with Dylan Brooks and Lou Dort starting, you know, was plus 33 in 25 minutes or something like that. And Jamal Murray, to my eyes, you know, I think he struggled defensively at times. You know, he's just not in their class defensively. That's fine, but it's supposed to be offset by his offensive punch. And he just simply never got on track and was it because he didn't start? I mean, we'll never know, but I think, you know, you see, I feel a little bit for Jamal, right? Because I mean, you know, another factor here I should get to is he'd never played with this group before, and as much as he was part of the core and, you know, he was there at training camp and the rest of it, you know, his first game is playing with his team with where this summer and, you know, how do you been available in other iterations? Maybe it would have been a little different, but, you know, I just think that, and you feel for the guy because, look, it's always worth pointing out that these are volunteer missions, right? And in his case, you know, he's under contract, but he is pending a contract extension. And he certainly didn't help his worth with what looked like a very, you know, what was very obviously an uneven or bad performance at the Olympics. And so you, you know, you hate for that to potentially affect his pocketbook or the nature of his negotiations with Denver, but, you know, this is the big leagues, right? And, you know, you want to try and do something great and call yourself an Olympian, the tough look side of that is sometimes it doesn't work out for you. Yeah, it certainly doesn't, you know, the road is paved with good intentions, and yeah, I certainly had the best of a mind here, and it just did not pan out for him. What's the future kind of look like for this group? Because I think we rightfully so think of Canada as a very kind of young, up-and-coming nation. And, you know, SGA still has plenty of prime left ahead of him. I think you really like what you saw from RJ Barrett, but there's also some kind of sneaky, you know, older pieces of this team. Dylan Brooks has been, you know, I won't say heart and soul, that's still SGA as well, but he has been a crucial part of this, you know, he's going to be in his early 30s by the time the next Olympic cycle rolls around, you know, Lou Dort won't be ancient by any means. He'll nearly be 30. Not exactly promised that this cadre of wing defenders that Canada has and was really outside a shade of the strength of the team will be here. What do you think the outlook is? I mean, we all look at this as the start of a building, you know, run of success hopefully for the national team, but, man, so little is promised in life, Grange. Yeah, I think you make a great point. And, you know, this particular group, you know, they were supposed to be at the Olympics in 2020, and parts of this group were supposed to be Olympics in 2016. This is supposed to almost be like a culmination of, you know, their Olympic experience and their Olympic careers. And instead, a guy like Kelly Olympic, this is his first time Olympics at 33. And you know, it was almost, the window was almost passed for him, like he didn't have a significant role, really, saying, you know, so, you know, this, when you look at the way the contract lined up, you look at the fact that, you know, Shea is absolutely in his prime, your best player, a world superstar, and you kind of, all the factors you mentioned, this, you know, you cannot take for granted that this set of circumstances will unfold in four years or four years after that. I think, you know, if you're being optimistic, there's certainly, you know, plenty of good young NBA worthy NBA talent in this, in the Canadian system. I mean, Shane Sharp, Ben Matheron, you got a kid named Will Riley, who's going to get drafted. Back Evie was supposed to be on his team for various reasons, wasn't. So I mean, it's not like we're looking into the abyss, but you can take it for granted and you're right. Like some of the key players were used to being part of this program are going to age out. And the circumstances change, you know, four years from now, you don't know where Shea's contract's going to be, you don't know where, you know, Dylan Brooks's situation is going to be. So, you know, I think working in Canada's favor is, you know, the America's is not exactly the, you know, there isn't that next nation, you got team, you got team, you know, say obviously it's a glide, they aren't going anywhere, anywhere, ever, but the next great power in the America's isn't really emerging, right? Argentina is not what they used to be Brazil, you know, they've made a run to the Olympics this time around, but they, you know, their development program isn't what it was in the past. And so I think Canada is always in a good position to get to World Cups, to get to Olympic tournaments. But, you know, the, to be a team that wins medals out of these events, you need a superstar, maybe two, and you need tremendous quality. I mean, that's just been shown over and over again and Canada had it at this turn around. It didn't happen for them. It is, I'm sure they're more disappointed than we are, but it is kind of a missed opportunity. And you just hope that, you know, line up well in 2028 and beyond. You mentioned Zach Edie in that conversation about the younger players that are coming up and, you know, you mentioned earlier about the lack of size and physicality in that front court, how, how imperative is it for Zach Edie for the future of this program to develop into a really good center, especially internationally because it really does feel like if you do not have some sort of an impactful front court in this tournament, especially where the international game is played, then it's a, it's really tough sliding to get anywhere in the international game. Agreeer disagree with that. Yeah. No, I think there's a lot to that. I mean, I don't think that was the reason Canada didn't get it done yesterday. I mean, the reason was they, they, they, we didn't take to the ball or shoot pretty well. I mean, that's a one game sample, but bigger picture. The way the international game is played, there's no defensive three seconds. You are allowed to have, you know, bigs at the rim and stay there is a big thing. And I think also because they are, these are all one off games, having a lineup wrinkle that really is unusual is a huge benefit. So a guy like Zach Edie, I think he is going to develop into a nice player, especially a nice international player, you know, to have him either in a primary role where he's playing 25, 30 minutes and kind of locking things down for you. That's, that would be great, but to also have him, I guess, a specific opponent or a specific moment in a game where, you know, guess what, the rest of the teams aren't asking to playing seven foot ports, 300 pound guys very often and, and it forces an immediate adjustment that teams have to make just once and on the fly. That's a great thing. So, I mean, yeah, I think having a guy like Zach in the program and he certainly has given into every indication that he's very passionate about his opportunity to play for Canada going forward. You know, that's something we optimistic about. Yeah, it certainly is possible, possibility now. I know I'm disrespecting the gold, the gold medal winners from the feeble World Cup, but a possibility of when Banyama versus America in Paris for gold, we're just one game away from that being a reality and I'm sure the NBA or the basketball world at large would certainly love to tell that story. Grange. I'm sure we'll bug you once, once more before the tournament's done. Thanks so much for jumping on with us. All right. Thanks guys. There he goes. Michael Grange. What's he doing? I always like to check in with my my golfing friends and I know Michael Grange is not. You know, I shouldn't I shouldn't like consider myself a friend more colleague of Grange. You know, I wouldn't want to put myself on that pedestal, but meant to sneak that one in. Dispointing. Dispointing loss for Canada. It just there's no other way to to crack that nut. Again, I laid out the case. One man. I'm going nuclear and everyone say, Okay, he's arrived. He's the best player in the world now. I think we all could have begrudgingly accepted that, but it's two for ten. Point is just he was far from the difference maker again, like he altered a ton of shots. He blocked one of Dylan Brooks fadeaways with his armpit base. It looked like Dylan Brooks was trying to block the block in the shot. It was so it was so ridiculous what he is capable of doing, but just a really disappointing one. I don't think I don't think we can overstate that enough. I don't want to be all doom and gloom here today, but the idea that anything is promised for this group other than Che go just Alexander still being transcendent four years from now, it's all it's all up in the air. I think there's a lot to be hopeful for the Garjay Barrett showed massive strides in that tournament. They're a young player like an Andrew Nemard, he's going to be a bigger part of this next time around. But man, we we so often and again, like you you'll hear this in, you know, I go to soccer again for the international comp here at all the time, like all Belgians gold and generate now. Okay. Well, they got for it. They have nothing. Oh, nothing. They didn't perform when it mattered. Down the road here in Toronto, there's a little bit of a golden generation apparently that's been happening. It's kosher bank arena. You're not sour by at any stretch by that, right? No, no, not at all. We we we think this all the time. We see it ahead of us and we go, wow, it's going to be great. Look at it. Blue Jays, we all would have thought we'd be talking about, I don't know, a playoff game win at this point in time. Nothing is promised. And that's why it's just so disappointed and not be able to take advantage of it. Yeah. This appointment is exactly, I don't mean, some people went as far as embarrassing yesterday. I don't know that I would go that far, but there were stretches of the game that worked that way. That first quarter was embarrassing. And in a game where you needed a much better effort than that to start out, yeah, the effort early on was embarrassing. But in the same breath, I think you can absolutely call this a massive disappointment for a team that expected to metal and a fan base that supports them, that expected them to at worst be playing for a bronze medal, which was not unattainable. No, it's, it's not the end of an era for, for this Canadian men's team by, by any stretch. I think it was a bit of one for the Canadian women's team and they'll just give a plug here, check out Grange Action won't work. He's had it all throughout the Olympics on sports net.ca, but he had a great Q and A with Natalie Chama, who was his pick to be the flag bearer, barrier, or flag bearer for the opening ceremony there again, just disappointing all around for Canada basketball. The team sports in general. Yeah. It's been, it has been the way even our even our three, three X three women couldn't, couldn't get done. I saw somewhere they're calling it three, four, three, three, what? What is happening here and how about three on three? Yeah. About what we called it, our whole life, who's going to regret more the non trade of Chris Bassett. Will it be a team like the Orioles who watch themselves get carved up by him last night or will it be the Blue Jays? We'll talk to Marosi about that and what else should we keep our eyes on as the baseball season trucks along towards the end for the Blue Jays and towards the playoffs for other teams. Marosi joins us next here on fan morning show on sports net five, nine to the fan, unrivaled insight, analysis and opinions on all things Blue Jays, Blair and Barker, be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Family show, halfway through threat promise. Leave that up to you. Good news though. This is a promise. We are more than halfway through the Blue Jays season. I can confirm. We have made it people. Still a lot of baseball left and a lot of exciting baseball, mostly with stakes for other teams. But as I said, hey, if you can't enjoy the Blue Jays beating plan spoiler, play in spoiler, just being annoying, sticking a thumb in the eye of the Baltimore Orioles. I don't know. Maybe the rest of the season is for you. I know the rest of the season is for our insider and this insider brought to you by Don Valley, North Lexus, where you can expect excellence online and in the showroom, visit Don Valley North Lexus dot com, John Marosi joining us now. John, how are you doing this morning? Brendan met. Good morning, my friends. Hope everything's going great for both of you. Yeah, it is doing doing well here, you know, something I was thinking about regarding the Blue Jays. And yeah, I'm still coming up with new new topics about them, despite the way the season's gone is, you know, they made their moves at the deadline, trading, you know, cocochi among other players. They got the haul for you. Say, cocochi. And watch a great start from Chris Bassett last night against a dominant offensive team, although they have been scuffling a little lately in the Orioles. And I think is there a world where the Blue Jays regret not moving on from Bassett, just given the haul they were able to get for cocochi? Or do you think it's more likely a team? The Orioles looks at it last night and goes, oh, maybe we should have pwned up something to have tried to extract him from from the Blue Jays. Yeah. That's an excellent point, Brent. I think a couple things, number one, the Jays did well enough with the moves they made. And then including, obviously, a couple of players who had some control on their contracts, not superstars, but with with IKF and Pearson, of course, as well, they were able to bring back enough players in my estimation that allowed them to keep Bassett, to keep Gossman, certainly to keep Blatty and to basically say, okay, we'll add some of this youth that we've got in and we'll hopefully have a solid winter as well and maybe bring in some more talent at that point. And let's just see how the first half of next season goes. And certainly, they're going to expect that Rodriguez will be more of a meaningful part of the rotation next year. We can go longer in the games. Bloss, they hope, will certainly be part of the rotation at that point, too, and give it another chance. And basically, by getting low Perfito in that deal as well, it's almost like they bought themselves the chance to run this back for at least the first half of next season and then see. They're so committed, obviously, at this point in time to where my read on the big picture here is they were basically making the decision now that they're not going to tear this thing down in the off season. They're not going to, they're not going to trade their expiring contracts yet and they're going to remain committed to giving this thing a go in 2025. We can, we can argue about how high of a percentage play that is. But that's what I'm seeing with this is that if they're going to make that change in a course correction, it would have happened a couple of weeks ago and it didn't. That to me says they're still putting the accelerator down looking at 2025. Paisan, nice to talk to you. As always, my friend. I'm watching this team down the stretch here and I'm trying to figure out how you can get clouded by really good performances in August and September when the games don't mean anything. How much of that do you think could be an issue with this group and thinking that I know that the plan is to try and be competitive in 2025. It's just, I look at this and say, I don't see the path outside of bringing in a bunch of really good free agents are making some trades, which I guess having a better prospect pool allows you to do. But with the guys on the roster, we talk about maybe a low profito or even an Ernie Clemente, a Davis Schneider Spencer Horwitz guys that are there but may not be guys that are contributing for you next year. How much can you get yourself into trouble by these performances in August and September when these games don't mean anything? Well, it's a very good point and there's, there's a lot of a lot of people in baseball especially September games will, will sometimes deceive you a little bit. I think that when you're playing a team like they're doing right now that's in it and, and Baltimore's clearly playing for something, you can often draw some conclusions in a good way from what those numbers say. And I think too, there's, there's different types of pressure. Like I think low profito for me is a really good example here. He's a young player who, who now he knows, moving on from Houston. Okay, you've got some runway here. You're, you're also not 20. So he's, he's, he's at the age now where the college draft, he's, he's, you know, a couple of years in pro ball now. It's sort of time to start seeing what he can do. And so, so he, from, from his perspective, I, I will look at low profitos, performance and, and draw some significant conclusions from that. I think if it's a, if it's a younger player and it's a shorter look, maybe I would, maybe I would answer a little bit differently, but I, I think low profito is going to play enough for the next couple of months that they're going to get a fairly immediate read on this to say, okay, does the bat work in our ballpark, defensively or does he play? I think that's, he's the one guy in particular about whom I could start to draw some conclusions based on what we've seen so far, and we'll see, depending on the skill set where he, where he plays defensively, we'll start to, I think, have more of a firmer grade on how that trade played out. I think the J's did pretty well in the immediate aftermath, but it's, it's good at least met to have, I think some initial returns on what's happened without, without necessarily drawing two sweeping of conclusions about a lot of players, but I, I did the low, low profitos, the one who I'm watching the most closely right now. Yeah, and he's, he's part of the equation with this, but I think the J's have a lot of guys in, in this ilk of players who, you know, there's a position maybe that makes more sense for them, but they also could find a home kind of all over the diamond with younger players. And like you said, low perfetos a little older, but I think of that as embargo in this ilk as well, you know, Will Wagner, he, he is a third baseman, but there's been some concerns about the arm as to whether it'll kind of ultimately play there. How do you feel about, because it's, it's such a double edged sword. The idea of we all love a team that's versatile and you could play plug guys in at a million different positions and it gives you a lot of flexibility with the lineup. But I also think for young players, there's something about having a position and learning to play it and being comfortable to spot on the diamond. How do you look at philosophically, the idea of testing guys out and trying them all over the place before I feel ultimately, you know, you want, again, versatility, but you'd like a guy to have a home as well, I would think defensively. You do. And I think that Baltimore is a good example of this to where they are a team. A lot of their, their athletic young position players have, have had multiple positions that they can play, but by the time they get to this point and you're on a contending team, they seem to be in more of a fixed role. It's more of a fixed idea now, Westburg prior to his injury, he was their third baseman. Anderson, we know is their, is their shortstop. We know the Jackson holiday, someone for whom, yeah, he's been able to play shortstop in the past. He's not playing shortstop now because Gunnar Anderson is one of the 10 best players in baseball. So they know where Henderson's going to play. So they move guys around a little bit, but their team is by and large their team. The Phillies right now, they're a team, and I know they haven't played great necessarily, but of late, but that's what a team looks like that goes on a run in the playoffs, which they did last year. Of course, they did not make it to the World Series because they're bullpen left and down, but you know who their team is every day. Harper is their first baseman. They turners at short. We're mittles behind the plate. Boom is it third. Stop the second. That's, that's their group. And I think that there's a lot to be said for knowing who you are and knowing where your guys play. The Dodgers even right now are going through it a bit with Mookie Bette. He's a very versatile player, but I talked to Dave Roberts a couple days ago in LA and he, I think he wants to know where Mookie is going to be and not move him around too much. It's versatility is good to a point, but it sometimes will lull you into thinking, well, versatility broadly speaking is great when you start to look at your team and say, well, who are we exactly? I think for the, for the J's, I'm still a fan and I think a lot of the good teams are still fans of having players who are identified very easily as to what their role is. And I tend to think that those types of teams eventually win in the end. Again, Texas last year as an example. Segers are shortstop. I mean, play second base. That means the very versatile guy, but that was his job and they won a World Series. Yeah, it almost got, I've been very bad with the references from like 10 years ago today, but it's almost like you want one Ben Zobrist on a team. You don't want a whole team of Ben Zobrist, no shock to a guy who is a, you know, a great, great player in his prime and that that's kind of the way I look at it. Like you want one or two of those guys. You don't necessarily want an army of them. Right. And I think that like in barter's case, he might be the one guy that is, that is that athletic that you can move more rounded and you're, you're comfortable with them in that type of a super utility role, but you're right, but if Clement is going to be a player on this team going forward in an everyday guy, I'd like to see him be at one position. And I think that, and Schneider is another guy where you probably look at him in the same way that they've got the J's do have some overlap and some redundancy. I think that's probably why they moved IKF. I think a lot of their controllable guys, they were willing to listen on and it just happened that, that IKF was the one that brought back the prospect there that they were comfortable moving them for. But I look at the big picture and say there was a, there were a lot of players on this team that you were saying were from sort of multi position guys who had a decent bat, but not a great bat. And again, look at the teams in this division, New York is kind of in a unique position right now. Glaiver is struggling, they brought in Chisholm, they're playing him out of position. They've got judges, they've got Soto obviously, but, but both were in particular, like look at that team, look at their position players. And, and at some point in time, especially, I shouldn't even say at some point in time, last year, because because of the nature of the, of the J's roster and how many expiring contracts they have after 2025, you, if you're taking this thing into the winter time and you're going to give it one more go, which I understand why they're doing it. And I think it's a fair course of action. You need to believe by the time you show up to spring training, that you're going to be better than one of those two teams, that you're going to be better than Baltimore or New York or else, who, who shows up to spring training and says, yeah, I'm going to play for third place. And that's, that's a good strategy. That's what we're going for right now. When, by the way, Boston's a really good baseball team as well. With another example of someone in Duran has been a personal guy, but now he's got his identity. It's, that is a tough, tough task. And I think the J's have a very, very busy offseason ahead of them to really fix in and figure out who they are as an everyday club. And one of those questions is what happens with Lydie Guerrero Jr. and an extension. And he's been lights out. He's been hitting, tearing the cover off the ball of ladies on an 18 game hit streak. He's just been everything that you would hope that he would be. But when you look at this extension and it may not be this front office that, that signs this extension, it may be someone else. When you look at this and say, okay, we expect that he's going to get some term. He's going to get some money here. No question. So what would be the sticking point for you or more of a sticking point, the term or the position in which he plays that's going to dictate his money? Yeah, Matt, I mean, it's an excellent question. I think it's, it's one of the big things they're going to have to wrestle with. I think that all along that the way and from what I was being told about where the, where the price tag was for flatty and trade talks this, this summer, is that they, they were pricing him at such a high point that, that maybe they were signaling to the industry that they were feeling somewhat confident in being able to get him signed. I, I think that there's a much better chance is based on the way that he's played and just the, the, the sort of the, the fork in the road for both of these guys between bow and flat this season. Much better chances signing Vlad is based on you know who he is. He's playing that well, things seem to be harmonious between him and the, and the team at least to a certain extent for Vladie. I, I think that he's, he's the one of the, the two that you're going to actually pursue to try to sign. The numbers are going to be massive though. And, and in terms of the, the, the annual salary is going to be huge. And I think that the other thing on it is, is you probably want to preserve some degree of optionality about the direction of the franchise because if, if you can't get him signed now, and if you can't get him signed at a point that you're fairly comfortable in, in giving him the money in terms of what, what the team is going to look like, you almost box yourself in and say, if, if you get to the beginning part and middle of next year and you're not playing well and you have to pivot, you almost want to have him as an asset that potentially move. If, if you really look at the big picture and say, okay, it's, it's not, not working out. I, I agree. I think everybody in Toronto wants to see him sign long term. And certainly there's, there's a, there is at least from what I've been told a genuine interest on, on his part to getting it done. It's just that the numbers are going to be so massive that it's, it's a difficult step to take and say, yeah, a $300 million extension with plus probably with, with that, with your base salary being more than 30 million bucks, is it a eight year deal, nine year deal, 10 year deal, something like that, when you start doing the math, obviously, you know, 30, 30 over 10 would be a nice, nice and easy number to get you to 300. But I, I just think that he's, he is one of the best 10 hitters in the game right now. And again, which, which has taken them a while to get back to that status, but he's got it now in my estimation, it's just, it's a big step at a time where you look at the big picture and say, how sure are you that you're still going to begin win mode for the next five, six, seven, eight years when, when the standings say what they say right now, it's, this is one of the more fascinating decisions, I think that any team is going to face on any player in all of Major League Baseball this winter. Yeah, it is, there's that and there's the Soto extension. I think the two things are going to kind of quite frankly, spiral around one another. I've been on record. I think the J's would be very wise to kind of let that deal happen first and then kind of box flatty in, you know, hey, dirty pool, but that's the business. I think that's probably how it, how it plays out before we get out of here, John. I do want to give you a chance to just talk about your friend, Billy Bean, obviously did a ton for the game of baseball and, you know, we lost a good one. We did, Brandon. I appreciate you and Matt asking about him. I think I have so many things that I want to say about Billy, he, he brought such incredible thoughtfulness, advocacy, empathy to baseball in the 10 years that he worked for the commissioner's office. I, I just respect so much the courage that he's, that he's always shown and I said this yesterday, my, my last text with them, he was talking about leukemia, he was talking about his, his attitude and, and yet he was so upbeat as, as he always was and I'll always hold that in my heart. And I think that one of the things that, that I think is really important that, that I think we can all learn from, no matter what our, our, our sort of our role is in, in, in this world is, is he, I think is an amazing example of citizenship and of listening. He would, whenever we needed his advice on, on issues that came up in baseball or society at large, he's such a brilliant person and he would always listen first and then, and then help. He was, he was not someone that judged quickly. He was someone that, that worked on, on solutions and, and a, and a way forward. And, and it's, he's a friend that I always, when I, when I would depart a conversation, he just, one of those people and we were all, I think in different ways, blessed to have them in our lives where you have that friend for whom, when you have the conversation and you see him along the journey or see her along the journey, you, you depart and have, have a, an uplifting of your spirit. Like, he, he just, he just brought such light to every conversation I had with him. And we've got an event coming up that I would always see him at the Little League Classic, Little League World Series, he would be there and, and represent the commissioner's office there. And I just, I, I associate him so much with that because it was the future. It was, it was helping to, to have baseball be a more inclusive environment. And I think that as, as much pain as he went through in the course of his career, where he felt like he couldn't be his full self, as, as a player and obviously he came out years later, he, he has helped baseball be a safer space for people on and off the field in the stands everywhere at every level, that I just, I'm so inspired by his example and grateful that I can call my friend and I think I'm, I'm going to carry a lot of wonderful conversations and a lot of great lessons with me forever. Yeah. 60, wonderful years. Thank you for that. John, I really, really appreciate the time today. Thanks, Brent. Thanks, Matt. Really appreciate it. There he goes. John Marosi, that insider brought to you by Don Valley North Lexus where you can expect excellence online and in the showroom, visit Don Valley North Lexus.com just at the risk of anybody thinking, uh, Chris Russo kind of stepped in this yesterday. This is Billy Bean who works with the commissioner's office. He's the officer of inclusion. He came out as a gay, gay player after his time in the league. I know there is some confusion, not Oakland A's executive Billy Bean. So just going to, yeah, there are lots of people that, yes, I made that mistake yesterday. So just in case anybody heard, uh, John rightfully so waxing poetic, uh, not that it's any less sad, but not that Billy Bean, uh, that you are maybe thinking of there, uh, it is now time for the wake and break presented by Sports Interaction, your homegrown Sportsbook 19 plus bet responsibly. The blue jays are on fire. They simply cannot be stopped. They have won one game in a row, but it was against a good team. 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It's not sports. It's just sports. Yeah. Very, very Euro. It's actually very British. Uh, it is. You're right. Uh, super, super British. Uh, what was, there was nothing British, uh, about the game yesterday, there was French and Canada playing and it was disappointing, quite frankly. So Vivek Jacob will, uh, I don't know, he'll try to shepherd me through this. Well, what, what's next for Canada basketball? How disappointed should I be? And unfortunately for Jamal Murray, how much is he going to be the guy who wears this? One hour left in the fan morning show right here on sports net five nine to the fan.
