>> The song for homes of SGA. >> I'll just say to you what I said to both of you, Marquesian as a party. >> Yeah, summer's over. Sorry, folks. I'll make the rules. Although I'm making this one. Fast forward to September, I don't know when our Leafs training camp kicks up, I could get excited about that and if L is going to come, I'll be certainly excited about that. One day playoff baseball will in fact be played. Blue Jays won't be significant, but we'll get excited about that. But yeah, that felt like to a certain extent, and I know people are going to probably blush a little at this or push back. But yeah, sorry, like my summer games kind of ended yesterday. And look, I'm excited about the 200 and there's still great stuff to happen. And maybe, maybe, maybe we got a good gold medal game in basketball, but I'm sorry. Like my summer games ended and I'm crestfallen that we lost to France. >> That was one of maybe them. It's probably the most disappointing result for the Canadian men's basketball team ever. I know there's been other ones, but there were actually expectations here. And as Michael Grange wrote, like when you have expectations, you are going to be disappointed. It does happen. And yesterday's game, when you look from the second quarter on, if they just didn't have that opening quarter where they got troud 23 to 10, it's a totally different game. And as SGA pointed out, he's like, it's not like we didn't want to win. Well, we're never going to question your want to win. But boy, oh boy, there were some guys that did not show up yesterday and in the entire tournament. >> Yeah. Some people wondering, Denver Nuggets couldn't have done us that favor that the Golden State Warriors did for Andrew Wiggins. Hey, they couldn't have told Jamal Murray they'd rather stay at home. Man, this is the, this is the duality of playing for your country, man. Like, you know, Jamal Murray puts up a stinker in a big game for the Nuggets. You know, we have a referendum on it. We talk about what it means. And then four minutes later, we move on to something else. Oh, look at LeBron. Oh, look at Yokech. Ooh, look at this. I'm honest, look at Luca. There's a lot of other things to distract us, but we don't care about that right now because Jamal Murray's not playing for the Denver Nuggets right now. Well, I mean, now he's technically back to being a Denver nugget. But as of, you know, 13 hour, you know, 24 hours ago yesterday, we're thinking about him as a team can to play her. And that is just one of those games that's going to live in a certain amount of infamy. You know, I don't want to overstate it. That didn't lose the game strictly because of Jamal Murray, but this is part of the, you know, what comes with being the expectation, carrying the mantle of being one of those guys. And unfortunately, this is the thing about international sports. Don't we know it as hockey guys that, yeah, sometimes it's a while until you get another one that matters, you know, or it's going to be a feeble World Cup in a couple of years time, then we have a whole another Olympic cycle four years away. And that's the thing I think is going to kind of stick in the crowd this again, like disappointment up and down the lineup, but I think that when you build the team and the way that this team has been built and SGA quite frankly, just ticked all the boxes that he's ticked. And then Murray has a game like that. It's just going to go to him. Like it's just incredibly disappointing. And I can't imagine how that's going to kind of stick in his crop for a while, though. He's definitely being ripped, like George Carl ripped him. By the way, this is the funniest tweet I think I've seen in a long time. Jamal Murray without yolkich is just Tim Horton way, junior. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's very good. I think the thing that is the most frustrating about what went wrong in that game, especially with Jamal Murray was when we looked at the feeble World Cup and we see Canada get to a third place finish beating the US granted different USD and what's out there right now. But still it was oh boy, what's Canada going to do with Jamal Murray in that back court along with SGA and it didn't matter. Now I do wonder and we're going to talk about it a little bit more later on the show with people that know basketball a lot better than I do, but I do wonder if Jamal Murray coming off the bench was a big factor in the way that he played. There are some guys that just get into a game differently. Jamal Murray always starts for the Denver Nuggets. And you would think on this team, he should start based on the talent level. But I also understand why Jordi Fernandez did what he did. Would you not rather have Jamal Murray come off the bench, especially playing against maybe, you know, not the starting lineup for the other team? So I think that was probably the most disappointing part of all of this was that when we looked before this tournament started, you could have made the argument that this was the best one to back court punch in the tournament. You could have made the argument. Maybe it wasn't the answer, but certainly in the conversation. And it just, it wasn't that SGA took a bit to get going yesterday, but he was far from the problem. Right? Jamal Murray Dylan Brooks didn't score his first point until the fourth quarter. Yeah. A guy that excelled in that Phoeba bronze medal game, he was the best player on the court. Yeah. I look at, you know, you pull up the box court from yesterday. I mean, it was SGA leading the way RJ Barrett was actually really strong. Really good tournament. Really good. As if from a raptor standpoint, that's as nice a thing as you could, you could possibly take out of it. You know what I was thinking about in watching that game early on, and it's not a fair comparison because, you know, like clearly they love basketball in France and the idea of when Binyama being kind of the next one, I think is going to pull a lot more people into the fold there. But I, and again, I'm not trying to overstate what it meant to them or understate what the moment I'm about to compare it to men to us. But I had flashbacks to the 2010 Olympics, man, like there, there's something about a team sport that just galvanizes an arena, a crowd. I mean, look, like the 100 meter is amazing. It is, if you tell me, I could watch one Olympic event, like, okay, I'm going to take the gold medal game of hockey, but other than that, summer Olympics. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't know if can is playing gold. Like sprinting. It's incredible, but it's over in a flash. There's a thousand other things going on. It is not. I mean, when it's the 100 meter final, everyone's watching that. It is, it's not this standalone event. And I just think that with a team sport, I don't know if it's the North American aspect for me, but the idea of a raucous arena and they clearly just fed off that. I mean, it wasn't, you know, we talked a lot yesterday about, is there any world where Canada can finish out of the medals and it's not a disappointment? And I said, yeah, there is a world. And it's Victor Wemenyama showing out like he's the second, third, fourth best player in the world or whatever he's going to be that didn't happen yesterday, but it was because the crowd is kind of feeding, feeding off of it, like that, that coordinator guy just coming in, hitting every shot, it's a put back dunk immediately. The crowd is buzzing and it just felt like Canada was never even really able to overcome that. I know they got it tight late, but it was just that opening stretch when everything was falling for France and everything is going their way. And I'm not even saying that from an officiating standpoint, it was just they could not, they could not miss a shot to save their life. Canada could not hit one. And then you could just feel the tenor of the crowd, the momentum of the game kind of swinging in a way. And we've just, we've seen that so many times and I think that sometimes in the summer, we kind of forget of the power of what a crowd can do, especially in a season where the Blue Jays crowd through no fault of their own ain't changing a thing this year. >> Yeah, 100%. I thought that the crowd was like they were in it right from the beginning. And you mentioned Wemenyama and not even really, I wouldn't say he wasn't a factor because he's still a factor because he's, because you have to account for him. >> But he was blocked on Dylan Brooks, he was like blocked it with his armpit. >> Yeah, it was ridiculous. And just rebounding where you don't have to jump. I mean, that usually is, yeah, it's pretty good. But Rudy Gobert barely played yesterday too, talking about defensive player of the year, Rudy Gobert. >> Three minutes. >> He did not, he was not even a factor now if there was injury, whatever the case may be. The point is that there was an opportunity here, especially for a team in this Canadian national team, that is not big in the front court, and not super physical or aggressive in the front court. Without Rudy Gobert there, that's a big opportunity for you, because Wemenyama is not an overly physical guy. >> No. >> We can say that. He changes everything, but he's not overly physical. But he missed a bunch of shots yesterday, the opportunity was there. And I think when you put everything into perspective on the opportunity at hand, when you talk about a lot of missed shots by guys that you don't expect to miss a lot of shots by, I think all of that all encompassing really made that a sour loss yesterday. The officiating wasn't great, but it wasn't the be all end all of that game. It wasn't good, but that wasn't the reason why Canada lost. I just, the frustrating part about all of this is that you gotta wait another four years. And Jamal Murray, like for a guy that will be a part of this team, he'll be 31. >> Yep. >> And the window does close and while Canada is producing younger basketball players, this really feels like a missed opportunity because at worst with the team that they have put together and all the work that has been put into this program to not be playing for even a bronze medal is by far the most disappointing thing that I've seen. >> Yeah, and again, I think there's a world where Wemenyama is 12 of 13, he has two threes and defensively, he did exactly what you would have expected from him, but it wasn't that offensively where you can grit your teeth and bear it. >> Yeah. >> But it wasn't that. I mean, if France loses this game, I don't know, they're sporting culture over there. I don't know, maybe they just go have a baguette in the cigarette and chill out and don't get so worked up about things. But Wemenyama in a like elimination game, two for 10, 0 from six for three, he did grab the 12 boards of course, but seven points for a guy on two of 10 shooting that is supposed to be the next one. If they lose this game, we're having a completely different conversation about it. And I think that just illuminates the disappointment of what happened for Canada. You mentioned the next Olympic cycle. It's such a tough thing to kind of think about because Jamal Murray, he'll be 31, but man, he kind of looked 31 out there yesterday. There was a moment where Wemeny first came out of the game. Colbert wasn't in as well and Mega McPake, who did a great job with Schulman in the bill on the call right away, he's like, I need to attack, I need to see tears. I just love the wording of it. Ten toes in the paint. That's what I need to see. And right away, Jamal Murray gets in there, but he doesn't have the explosion to get by. He doesn't have the explosion to get up. And I just think that that is something that generally speaking, you know, Matt, you know, we're both aged fathers now, it's like, I don't think that's coming back. I'm not saying Jamal Murray can't, you know, he obviously was coming off injuries, obviously a little hamper. And I think he can find a little bit of a better version of this, but the world where he is back to even nuggets title, Jamal Murray in four years time for this Canada team. I don't see it again. Will he be a cog? Yes. Will you like his leadership veteran stuff has all of that? Of course. The other thing that I think you have to think about with this group moving forward is, you know, like role players don't have the extended run that you look at for, you know, a guy like SGA or even a guy like Jamal Murray, who again, like has had a, you know, a long run of a career here, but you're ludor to the world. You're Dylan Brooks of the world, quite frankly, to expect them in four years to still be this guy. It's not say they're going to fall off the face of the earth, but I think that that was such a core part of Canada's identity. It was SGA and a bunch of wings that will just hound you and not to say that that won't be there for years from now. But the only thing I am 1000% definitively certain on in four years time is that SGA is still going to be an incredible lead guard for Canada. Everything beyond that is a question. I don't think we're going back to some dark ages period where it's gritting and bearing to getting into the Olympics. I would certainly hope not, but the idea that this is the start of something, it certainly can be, but it's far from a certainty. It is. And I think what we've learned in this tournament is, and it's a lot to put on a guy who is as young as he is, but there's a lot of pressure on Zach Edie to be a really good, big and international basketball because there's nothing else. And all, all due respect to Kelly Olinik and Dwight Powell, because they've put on that, that Canadian uniform, time in and time out. And they've never said no. Yeah. Boy, oh boy. It, this tournament. And it's not that if they have Zach Edie yesterday that he's going to be the difference maker. He was there in the feeble world company played sparingly yet, but he's a guy that you need to see that development from because in international basketball, if you do not have a big that can make a difference and can be physical, then you are in trouble. On the Jamal Murray thing too, I think that Jordi Fernandez does deserve a little bit of criticism here because he kept going back to the well, back to the well. At some point, you've got to pull the plug on this and you've got to say he just doesn't have it today. I need guys in there that can make shots. And that did not happen yesterday. Yeah, I mean, you know, I think the guy who naturally you maybe go with there is a little more Nemhard. He played 15 minutes, but he didn't, but he needed, I think, I think he needed to play a little bit more. No, no, I don't disagree. But I think part of it is the, and this is all part of the kind of team coming together. The packing order of all these things is, you know, Nemard comes in and not that he is a guy who, you know, is going to look to always fill it up, but he played 15 minutes. He didn't attempt a shot. We almost got to go the full Sam Mitchell zero, zero, zero, zero, zero. He did manage and assist and to turnovers along with two fouls. So I can't give him the full Sam Mitchell there. But again, I think that this is part of the problem of this is the, the lack of experience together, the reps together. And I mean that from Fernandez, a standpoint as well, you know, this is a slightly different team than the group he, he did so well with at the feeble World Cup. He's still learning these things. And I also think this is something that gets hammered home all the time. And I don't think I sometimes think it's overstated, but then you get in a game like this. Just the game goes so fast. You have a five minute stretch and all of a sudden, you know, it's just, there's eight minutes left of the game there. There's eight minutes less than they normally have in the NBA. And I think that's the other thing too, from a kind of coaching perspective is not that I think he, you know, made a bunch of grievous errors, but it's just the game moves so much quicker. And I think that's where the players need more kind of reps at this thing and the coaching staff as well. You know, we've talked a lot about the idea of expectations and I suppose a lot of people rightfully so will point to the, you know, the bronze last year at the feeble World Cup and say, no, that was arriving. Yeah, that was announcing their arrival. The fact that we're all sitting here disappointed by losing to a team, you know, the host nation in France who has, you know, put forth good efforts at international tournaments before and were rightfully so disgusted by that loss. I think that just kind of hammers home the point that we're at with this. We talked about this with kind of Canada soccer, obviously the women's team were much ahead of the curve on this. But even with the men, we see it now of, hmm, oh, my, my upset that they, that they lost Argentina and what world do what I ever think that and I just think it is a recalibration of where the expectations are at for kind of all of us with this program. Well, expectations and also like where, where they actually are. I think that's part of it too. That's just the reality of the situation when we talk about the Canadian men's soccer team. Are they a world power? No, but they are there and will they ever be a world power? I don't think so, but they'll be competitive. The difference here with with this team specifically, it's a young team in terms of playing internationally together as you mentioned and having that international experience. But this is the most talented team by leaps and bounce that Canada has ever put on the court. And I think, and I think that is when I understand that international basketball, the U.S. is a totally different animal because they are literally a traveling all-star team. Yeah. The Canadian team isn't that no, but when you look at the talent on this team and you look at the what they're playing against, they should just be in the bronze medal game out worse because totally and that is where you look at it and say, there's more to this than just putting the team together. You've got to be able to play together. They've again, they've got to be able to make big shots and big moments. And I think that's the part about this whole Jamal Murray thing that's so frustrating is that we've known him to make big shots in big moments. I had a conversation before this thing started about one shot game on the line who takes it for Canada because Jamal Murray had made those shots and SGA has been fantastic. That turned out to not even be a thing because it wasn't even remotely close as to who you want to have the ball in their hands in a key moment. Yeah. I think the other things that kind of complicate the perspective on this is that one, the NBA or sorry, basketball in general is not a, it's not a one man sport, but it is a sport where one guy truly raises the ceiling or the floor of what you expect. And when you have a guy that finishes second in NBA, all, or NBA MVP voting in Shay, that just changes what your expectations are. I also can't think of an international sport where there are so many competitive teams, but there's also so clearly one top dog. Like, you know, say, again, hockey will never know because, you know, I'm not counting it until I actually see it best on bass. But, you know, Canada, we think of ourselves as head and shoulders above everybody else. Not anymore. We acted and at the last Olympics where they sent NHLers, it's like, yeah, it was a whoop and then a whoop and in 14 and 10. But then you look at everything else that's kind of happened around the game since Kim does not head and shoulders above everybody else. It's much more, obviously, there aren't as many countries here, but it's much more like soccer where, okay, Canada may be the best team, but I think the Americans are good. Sweden could certainly put up a fight against somebody. If Russia is ever allowed in one of these things again, it's like, yeah, don't count them out. But we just don't have perspective for anything else. Like, we don't play American football on a world stage where obviously America is the best. There's just no other sport I can think of in this way. Because again, like with soccer, yes, of course, there are world powers, powers. Argentina doesn't have 20 of the best 29 guys in the world. And I just think that's the other thing that kind of like warps our perspective with all this. And it shouldn't even say warp. It's just, it's hard to put a put in perspective because you just almost throw America over there and then Canada is in this bucket of teams with France, with Australia, with Serbia, Slovenia was in this tournament with Luca, you'd be having a conversation about it. And I think that's just what kind of complicates it. Yeah, it does because it's like we're just playing for second place here, but I don't think that that's a bad thing considering what first place is in a lot of cases. I don't disagree. The other thing too, and I don't know, like you'd have more experience with this, you know, being the paison that you are cheering for your, your beloved as a really suck. Okay. Like you said it, not me, people who would bridge, you know where to come. But I still struggle with the idea and like, you know, soccer is teaching me this as well that, okay, obviously, hey, you want to win gold, hope in a prayer, you could beat America shirt, but realistically, I don't know, get a medal, that'd be nice. I just, I can't wrap my head around that from a team sports perspective. I in what sense, just like, I'm a North American sports fan. I don't sit here and go, well, I hope they have a good year and they build because then that's for next year, there's no building for next year in an Olympics where four years from now, the team's going to look, you know, maybe not entirely, but pretty different. And I just think that's the other thing that I, again, like I think there are a lot of people who say, you know, what are you talking about? I got some soccer team that if they win one match a year, I'm thrilled. And, but it's just not part of my kind of sports lexicon. It's just such an odd feeling to have around this national team where there is so much hope and there's so much expectation. But it's also ultimately, you know, we were hoping for silver. Yeah, I think that's what kind of complicated. Yeah, it does. And it's just the unfortunate reality. Like maybe, maybe one day, probably not in our lifetime that Canada becomes this basketball super power along with the United States. I don't see that, but they'll tell you otherwise. Yeah, he will. But the other thing is too, is that the dynamics of the country is changing. And, you know, when we see the evolution of basketball in this country, you can see like, okay, maybe there is a path. It won't be as big of a pool to choose from, but there is a path. Do I think it'll happen? I think that's really, really tough to do. But I agree, it's, it's kind of like when I hear, you know, throughout the Olympics, you know, fifth is a great result for this person. And I'm just like, it is, but you want to, you go there to win. You don't go there to finish fifth. And I don't think that that's anybody's mentality to win. The game. Yes. But I think that I do agree. I think the reality of the situation is you're playing for second, even though that's not what you want to happen. Okay. So a couple of other things now, everything else more or less went chalk yesterday at this tournament, Canada, massive favorites against France on all the books we were seeing, including sports interaction there. But everything else, more or less, when is chalk, this now sets up and, you know, hey, defending World Cup champs Germany waiting in the way. So maybe I shouldn't skip over them. But this sets up a chance of when Ben Yama on home soil against the States, you could not kind of have cooked up a better dream scenario for Adam Silver. You know, I don't know who the, the equivalent or, you know, the like Fiba, the Renee Fussell of basketball. But I just don't, you could not set it up in a better way to have this kind of storybook ending. The fact that when we had his stinker, you'd imagine kind of got that out of the way a little bit. I don't think he's going to do that again. Just from a kind of grow in the game standpoint, this is everything they could have possibly asked for. I mean, I think we all know how that game ends. And it's probably with America, quite frankly, you know, running away, although I would love the idea of them losing and Joelle Embiid having chosen the wrong team, what I would take for that. But that that is that's a movie. Perfect. It's comedy, but it's a movie, not for him tragedy, but for all the rest of us. But I just think from a kind of, from, from a storyline standpoint, obviously we wanted Canada and there is something about Canada and the States and a burgeoning rivalry. I don't think they would have been upset about that. But this now kind of sets the stage for everything international basketball kind of could have asked for. Well, when you talk about Wayne Maniama being the next, the next great player, I 100% agree with you on, like you can't, you can't write this stuff. You really, you really can't. It's going to, we'll see what they do against Germany. But there is definitely a path to imagine what the viewing numbers in the country of France would be for that game. It's the Olympics. It's obviously a big deal prime time for sure. It will be against the juggernaut United States like that. I would be curious to see what those numbers are because I would think that there weren't, there wouldn't be many households that would not be watching that game. No, and you know, maybe that's a good way to segue to what I wanted to talk about next. If, if Wayne Maniama, you know, has a big game against Germany and puts up a strong fight against the States, maybe it's him. But this was kind of the thing on my radar heading into the games is has there been a star, not from a Canadian perspective, but from a kind of games wide perspective, I'm still feeling the void that's been left by Usain Bolt. He's been gone all these years and I still miss him. Has that affected your viewing of the games? How you've enjoyed it? We'll get into that also. Some NFL news and notes on the other side. And really, that's just because my Patriots might trade for a real wide receiver and they might have a couple in camp. Oh, you know, with, you know, Marques is here. So we're sneaking in a little NFL fan morning show continues next on sports net five nine of the fan dive deep into Toronto sports and the NFL. The JD bunk is podcast. Subscribe and download the show on Apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Brett Gunning. What's it got this guy hacking my brain? Get out of there. He's got such a big head. He's like, I'm trying need some of yours. No, Brent Gunning, Matt Marquesy. Got it. Yeah, there we go. There we go. Ding. Always shout out guys behind the glass. Josh Santos may join us again one day. I don't know. He's unlike the longest vacation a board op has ever taken in my life. Yeah, they never really take it. No, they don't. Like I just hear. I think they live here hooked up to the board is my understanding of how they all worked. But good job by him. I enjoy again. I'll be happy when you're back. But my man Arman take me back to my leaf talk days. I always love seeing him behind the glass there as a party as well. Going to be joined a little later on. John Marosi, a little Michael Grange. So it's a busy, busy, busy, busy show today. But there was something Olympics I was thinking about and I'm going to throw this at you here before we get into the like stars of the game idea. We have now my I was also alerted yesterday that three on three basketball is not called three on three. The official name of it is three X three. That's what they call it. Okay, I agree. Sure. Agreed. Okay. But if we have three on three basketball in the summer Olympics, their kids playing three on three hockey all summer long out put it in the summer Olympics for all I care. But also why can't we have three on three hockey in like the idea of I should probably have a more current example of this. But like find this generations Rob Shrimp and just tell him to go do that much like Jimmer for debt is playing three X three basketball for the US men's team. I would just love a world more hockey. Give it to me. If we get a three on three basketball in the summer Olympics, why on God's Green Earth can we not have three on three hockey in the winter games? Like there's no, there's no good. You're telling me these guys who suit up for Canada at the Spangler Cup would not love to dedicate ish. You know, six months of their life to like becoming a great three on three team or whatever. You're like, again, please have a more current example. But like the Nat Damakelli's of the world, those guys, I'd love to see it. I'd love to see those tweener guys that are dominant at the HL level or whatever, whatever. Yeah. No, I don't disagree with that. I hear me great Jeremy Braco there. There's a more current example. He's American though. Yeah, he is. And even that is like 10 years ago. Yeah, but that's okay. I don't have any current references and I produce the hockey show. Well, I actually have one. I have one, but it's mean because he plays in the NHL. Trevor Seacrest, like if anybody was put on this earth to play three on three. Yeah. And and Maine never play for the US Olympic. And also, why don't we have ball hockey and roller hockey. Okay. So that was going to be my next one. Yeah, ball hockey and roller hockey should at least one of them should be. I actually had this. I had this conversation with with your golf show pal Sam McKee yesterday. Oh, you did. Yes. And and my point is a quick story. I flicked you guys on. And then you went, no, no, it wasn't that it was I'm going to talk to Marquesie tomorrow. And I don't want like, you don't want to ruin it. I don't want pre takes from you. I just want to know what I want to be fresh coming into it. So I what I, you know, I love listening. Of course. No, that's I think that's fair. But ball hockey is played by countries all around the world. Like I the rep, my reference point was I played in the under 20 world junior championships. And it was Canada, US, Italy, Slovakia, Saudi Arabia, Bosnia, like teams from all over check while it was the Czech Republic at the time. But they that is played all over the world. And there are a lot of really good players, like even the spit and chicklets guys on this. Yeah. And I think it would be great. It would be something. And you know what? It would be a lot. I hate to say this, but it would be a lot of guys with regular jobs that play in, you know, like these ball hockey rings like with the with the tile, the the rubber tile floors. Oh, yeah, like I had a buddy's dad growing up that regular job. And it's like, he's he's he's on team Canada. And that's what it goes to work every day. Yeah, that's what it would be. And it would it would be great because there are plenty, there are plenty of good players like there are guys that are, you know, that were NHL is like, Oh my goodness. Burrows Alex Burrows was a fantastic ball hockey player played for a team called the Montreal red light who was in the national championships all the time. Like that would be a guy that maybe gets in there. I'd for the most part, it's guys that are, you know, construction workers and electricians and whatever. Okay, so you were going to flag football in the in the Olympics next summer games. Okay, rock climbing. Like I saw this stupid rock climbing. It's called sport climbing. Yeah, but there was this rock climbing thing yesterday that Sammy and I were literally watching the TV as it's happening. Like, what the hell am I watching? And we got called out by the the climbing climbing, the mafia, the spelunkers, if you will. Yeah, I think they climbed down. They don't so much climb up. They go into the caves. Yeah. So this, so this person was not super happy with us. But regardless, there are like, no disrespect, break dancing is in. Like somebody tried to. Well, the, you know, the how we did. Yeah, the Greeks, they, they rock climbed years ago and centuries ago. Okay. Were they break dancing too? Okay. Like I'm like, cause it was McKee who told me about this. I'm sure he's alerted this to you as well. It's like some of the events that used to be in the Olympics. They handed out urban planning. Metal set the Olympics like a guy got it for designing a town. Okay. So yeah, like there have been a lot of different events. I just, I think in a world where we're trying to Sam's or something, I don't, in 1932, I don't think so. Yeah. Also Homer, London games gave it to the London guy. I don't know. Maybe check in with French judges on that one. But I just, I look at it and I say in a world where we keep trying to expand the Olympics and have more things and also, you know, not to make everything about hockey, but in a world where you're trying to grow the game, all we ever hear is grow the game, grow the game, grow the game. More cups in Florida, please. The only teams that can win a cup is if it's flip flops and no one cares unless they're winning 57 games a year. That's apparently the only vision for growing the game. You know what? I think would grow the game is a little roller hockey, a little ball hockey at the summer games and like, yeah, part of it is I just selfishly love it. But we have this where all these other sports seem to be able to expand. And I mean, you know, the hobby horse I will never stop beating on is swimming. It's like we have to, they're going to, I'm convinced they've been inventing new strokes all this time because it just seems like there's more and more races every single time. There's an Olympics here. I would love to see a world where we get something like that into it. And I just, I don't quite frankly see it happening anytime soon because there doesn't seem to be some, there's like push like from people like us who do it, but there doesn't seem to be a big push even from, you know, outside influences of the kind of strictly hockey community that I'd love to see it. Yeah, I think it would be like baseball is not even in next year, but like it was out for a while, right? And that's the part where you're just like, really, like we're taking baseball out of it, but we're introducing break dancing, like, okay, you want surfing in there. But then, you know, we had BMX and we had skateboarding and riding those. Now the BMX and skateboarding thing is cool to me because it brings me back. I, you know where I'm going with this. Yeah. And Tony Hawk. And not Hoffman BMX in like those games and the Tony Hawk soundtrack. I mean, come on. Well, I, I love, it's funny. I'm, I'm of such two minds of this because in our, as our producer dutifully notes to us, we don't know what happened in breaking because it hasn't happened yet coming up soon. I don't think, I don't think I need to know. I'm going to text you the CBC gem link when it happens just so you can make sure you watch it right, right as soon as I've got it. I've got the, I've got the, I've got the answer. I'm going to make sure I'm going to like said, like it's going to, like, you know, you could send, but sometimes you'll text someone on do not disturb and it'll give you the option of disturb anyways, which, why do I have that option? But that's what I'm going to do to you when, when breaking starts, and it's not break dancing. It's breaking. It's breaking. I, I love it. Do you think they do it to break stuff by, by limp biscuit? I don't know. That would be the only thing that you should be doing. Oh my God. If there was a, I highly doubt there is a millennial involved in the breaking competition. If there is, but if there is, that'd be very, that'd be very good for me personally. You mentioned the like skateboarders. I do love the idea of this. Like the Olympics, at least the ones that I feel like we all kind of grew up with, was the pinnacle of sport. It was, it was very serious. It's like, all right, this is the biaphalon and this guy's going to shoot while he's skiing and all and the sprinting and it's the most serious of sports. And now we have other stuff. You mentioned the surfing in there, the skateboarding. There's nothing funnier to me than when they're doing like a split screen and it's all right. Here's the 400 meter semi final. And on the other side, it's like, here's a 14 year old from Edmonton, who's throwing up like a shock assign or something. Like it's just, it never ceases to, to amaze me. We mentioned the idea of like a lack of star of the game, at least there. It certainly feels that way to me. I know from a Canadian perspective, we have some are Macintosh and this is so unfair for me to say, but I feel like with the swimmers, they all slowly kind of meld into one. It's just a flow from one to the next. It's like we had the Alexiac wave. And it's like, okay, she's still kind of technically here, but really it's now Macintosh's time. And I imagine quite frankly, we'll have another one. And like the Americans, it just seems like they flow from one to the next. It doesn't, for me personally, take hold. And I don't say that to diminish any of the, you know, what summer Macintosh has accomplished. And she's going to be a great flag bearer when she almost certainly, you know, leads Canada out at the closing ceremonies for that. But it just doesn't feel like a from a game's wide perspective. We've had the like star turn moment for someone and I don't mean that just Canadian wise, I, you know, the comparison I've made is that I now know what it was like for somebody to watch Jordan and his prime and then watch the NBA after because I watched Usain Bull run track at the Olympics. And now I see what's going on. And that's no shots, the no allows because guess what? There were good players in the NBA when Jordan retired, but Jordan wasn't poking around. And I just, I feel this vacuum without Usain Bolt there. And I know there are tons of like world famous athletes there. Go pick any guy on the men's American basketball team, or she'll just have Xander or, you know, the women's soccer players who have become stars in this country quite frankly, but we all know what happened there with them. It just feels like a weird Olympics to me because I don't feel like we've had that, that singular story. I guess the singular story we did have was the Canada drone scandal. Yeah, I think there's, there's only one that comes to mind because he's had a fantastic Olympics, but it hasn't gotten the attention. It probably should. And that's Leon Marchant in the pool. Yeah, guys got five medals, four goals, but it's not the same as Michael Phelps. I, and I don't know why it's the Jordan thing. It's the both thing. We saw it and we, and part of it is the propaganda by the time a guy is in his fourth, fifth games, whatever it is, you're like, okay, okay, yeah, but, but he doesn't have that same star power, but he has the star ability. You're right. There's not really been that one athlete where you're like, I guess, I guess Simone Biles. Yeah, you know what? That's, that's honestly super fair. That is probably something that is less on my radar than it should be. Although I feel like I'm telling my, I'm like, telling my wife every day, I'm like, did you see what Simone Biles did? So yeah, I guess that's it. But it also depends on the, like, I feel like gymnastics doesn't get the same. Like the pool gets it's, it gets a lot of attention. I don't think gymnastics gets as much because she's just so generally speaking so much better. Yeah, so much better than everyone else. She is the USA basketball of gymnastics. Yeah, yeah, 100%. And I know that's a, and her story is the comeback story. All that, that's it. That, you know what? You're right. That is the star of the games. And that is somebody who's on the kind of level, the threshold of a Usain Bolt. Again, like, you know, I think everybody's mileage varies depending on certain sports and everything. But you're right. That is, that is actually, it feels very similar to kind of bolts, swung song Olympics, where he's just waiting everything and, but it does feel like we've had more in previous games in terms of the overall star power. I don't, I don't feel like this one has had it now. Well, when Ben Yama has another, then that's going to be the thing that maybe vaults it into a different conversation. The other thing I was thinking about as well is just the timing of it, right? Gymnastics goes first, track is typically at the end. So there's this like build up. It's like, oh, it's going to race in four days. And now they change that. Yeah, right. It's not the, it's not the pinnacle. It's not the absolute end of the end of the games either. No, that's honestly, that's a good one. Like Simone Biles has definitely been through and through without a shadow of a doubt, the star of the games. And yeah, I just think it's that there's so many events. So maybe I am not, like again, with bold, you know, he runs his heats, but I think we all kind of lock in at the semis. He kind of jogs his heat at the end. Exactly. We all kind of lock in at the semis and go forward, whereas with the, with the gymnast, they're just like, they're doing events all day. Yeah. And again, I feel like the days of competition is probably relatively similar, but it's just the amount of events, you got all the different disciplines and everything. And the team event, yeah. Exactly. No, but that, that's a good thing to, to point out. It definitely is Biles. Okay. I wanted to ask you a question. Did you mention the 100 meter? Yeah. Would you rather see in the 100 meter, someone like Usain Bolt who blows away the competition or what we saw in the men's 100 meter final where it's literally a photo finish. And it was like by one 1000s of a, of a second that no, a Lyle's wins. I'd rather, I'd rather see Bolt because I don't, it's not a, it's not a game that I watch for an hour and a half or two hours or two and a half hours or whatever it is where you want the compelling drama of the back and forth. It's, it's literally not even 10 seconds long. I just, if I, if I'm watching it, I want to see greatness. Now, if I'm, if again, like we don't, we should, we don't care as much about like the 1500 and stuff, then I want to see the photo finish at the end. I don't want to see some guy just get out the front and everything. When, when it's an event that takes quite frankly any amount of time, even like even the 200, it's like, I think I'd rather see a close raise where, oh, with the turn, look what's happening here. And then this guy pulls away in the, in the last, you know, 10 meters or whatever. Like that, I, I think is even more compelling. But just with the sprinting, the 100 meter, let me just see greatness. I've seen it. And now I can't, I can't unsee it. Everything else compared to it. So we talked about Bolt and how he dominated the field for so many years. His world record and Olympic records still stands. He's, and guys have not really gotten super close to it. I had heard something that Michael Phelps holds. No, no, this is because I saw this too. And then I saw people arguing about it. So, you know, like, who knows what's true on the internet these days? My understanding is he still holds a couple, but not, not as many as so certainly not the percentage. Yeah. So, so the point, the point I'm trying to get at here is do you, with all the advancements that we've seen in training, in nutrition, in everything, in the stuff that you wear, do you think that we ever see someone break, you say in bolts record? Because I thought, I thought that Michael Phelps's records would stand for him. No, 100%. We're, we're going to see it. The thing about Bolt that always, you know, and again, not that I'm like, you know, Mr. Track expert here, but we all become fake experts. Well, we could talk to Don when we really about it. We all, we all become fake experts in the last six at this time of year as we eat chips on our couch. Of course. And which are what I remember is just his physical build is just different from a lot of sprinters. Like he's much taller and leaner, leaner. And I just think there's going to be like, look, you know, this is like the old Gladwell theory. I forgot what it is, but of like basically capitalization. It's like a Canadian who can play hockey. It's like, we're going to find a way to find, find that kid. Yeah, a Jamaican who can sprint, they're going to find a way to find that kid. And I think generally speaking anywhere in the world, they're going to find a way to find that kid. And I think that with Bolt, the build, the just again, like the different build part of it is freaking nature. Like Michael Phelps, like double jointed and all his ankles and elbows and wrists and everything. And that's what made him as special as he was. And with Usain Bolt, like he just has that part of it is just magic. I am a big believer. And some people are just touched by God, like Derek Jeter, Jack Nicholas, Tiger Woods, and you say bolts is one of them athletically. But I think that, yeah, they're just, there are obviously limits on the human body, but I don't think we're anywhere near close to sniffing them. I'd love to see this as a world where this record stands for 10, 15, 20 years and especially because you got to watch it. Well, that's the thing I'm sitting there watching the Olympics in 20 years of my kid. And I'm like, yeah, this guy stinks. You know, you saying, you know, you say in Bolt, they get to be the old man on my couch. Speaking of all my coach, I love to sit on my couch and watch football. It's coming same, Maddie. We've had a Hall of Fame game. Kayla Williams, you know, well, not attending, but that that's okay. We'll save him for another day. Something tells me we'll be against the bills on Saturday. Something tells me we'll be having some conversations about Kayla Williams one way or another this season. But we're getting it's kind of the, the end of silly season in the NFL. This is always the kind of last ditch time for a team. If you're going to move someone of note to do that, obviously you can, you know, you can make trades in the season. We've seen it before, but we know how teams work, especially in NFL, where it's so hard to kind of work in a new player if you're at all different. This Brendan Ayuk story, you know, obviously, you know, 49ers kind of, you know, weapon of choice there. Not quite the same go away of running the ball, but they try to get in his hands as many ways as possible. A lot of bouts to feed there. I know Brock Purdy makes no money, but they still got to pay other guys and they're not going to be able to do it with him. Just, I love the idea of there being a sexy receiver on the move at this time of year. Yeah, and I know you were hoping that it was going to be your New England Patriots, but they have bowed out of the Brandon Ayuk race. They apparently, they were a team that was willing to offer the most money. Like around $30 million a season, people were, were speculating, and he just didn't want to go there. And I get it from Brandon Ayuk's perspective. The Patriots after a year with Drake May, maybe that's a different conversation. But this one is a really odd one for me because Brandon Ayuk is holding out for money that I don't necessarily think he's worth. We're talking about him wanting the same type of money as, you know, a little bit less than Justin Jefferson, a little around Amun Ross, St. Brown, and no disrespect to Brandon Ayuk. He's not those receivers. Like CD Lam holding out for that money I get. But Brandon Ayuk, I just don't see it. And I like Brandon Ayuk as a wide receiver. It's, it's a very curious thing because this is not something that happens often with this 49ers team. Usually they get their guys locked up, but it does talk about the position that they are in with their salary cap because they pay a lot of guys, a lot of money. Oh man. And they, if I'm not mistaken at like, yeah, at six positions or something, they have the highest paid guy. Yeah, and they can get away with it because they have a quarterback that's making not radio money, but pretty close to it by NFL standards. There was a host here who I think used to make that money. I can, I can almost confirm it. But, but Brock pretty is also an American dollar. So it's a little bit different. However, however, inflation has changed things. So maybe we could be there. But the point, the point being is that I think there's a really interesting conversation here about the San Francisco 49ers and that window closing. Yeah, because they have a lot of players that are like George Kittle's over 30 Trent Williams is like 37 or 38, which I know we're like, boy, he's 38 and I'm 35. Yeah. You know, I'm not past my prime yet, but I think that I did. I might already be right. There you go. There's a conversation about the window closing for the San Francisco 49ers that I don't think a lot of people are comfortable having. No, I think it's one of the things in all sports, but specifically in the NFL, like greatness is fleeting. That's why the Patriots are special. That's why I've been like Paul Revere about the Chiefs being like, slow down. They're not going to win 100 of these. It's just, it's impossible to stay good forever in that, in that league. And I think with the 49ers, that's why I mean, all these close calls are going to be something that kind of haunts them forever. I think the, the idea of him kind of having little to no interest in New England, like you said, it's not surprising. The thing that jumped out to me about it is just how rarely we see a sea change within an organization so quickly like that. I mean, again, not to turn this into Patriots radio here, but we all know what the Patriots have been forever. It's been getting guys off the scrap heap. And yeah, they went out and traded for Randy Moss when he was the world's most just with Randy. But it was also, I mean, but it was also the most distressed asset of all time that they went out and got and then look what they turn them into. They were not the team that does this. We see this in the NHL right now where the Predators go, you know what, it's no fun being the Preds. Let's have forwards instead of just defense and goalies. Let's try it out. Let's be something different. And it's just so jarring to me to see a team, especially one like the Patriots that has been, I don't know, basically set in cement for the better part of 20 years. If you know exactly what they're going to be and just operating in such a complete 180. The idea of, all right, we got a new quarterback and instead of trying to build slowly, let's go out and get them the sexiest new toy we possibly can. It's just, it's always interesting to me when you see a team, just have a kind of, I won't say 180 in philosophy, but just a 180 in terms of feel around them. And again, like, I think there are other examples and other sports, the Preds are the one that kind of like most come to mind for me. Yeah, the Patriots thing, it just shows what the team looks like without Bill Belichick, doesn't it? Totally. You're talking about the philosophy change. I think that's, I think that's 100% accurate. It's very interesting to see what they're going to be. I mean, they went out and drafted an actual good receiver in the second round in Jalen Polk wild and then Javon Baker in the fourth round, who a lot of people were like, and he's had a really good camp. It is an entirely different thing, but also it's the necessary change because they just drafted Drake May very high and you can't, you don't have Tom Brady to make up for, you know, having assets that are not necessarily as good, and they can work well within the system. You're going to need, with a new offensive scheme coming in, you're going to need to change the philosophy on how you do things you're going to need to bring in stars. I'm very curious to see what the Patriots are because they do have, especially on defense, they have a lot of talent. Offense is going to be where they're going to be most interesting. Yeah, it is. And I just, I am such a sucker for new blood coming into into the league at the quarterback position. Like, we love it when we have a draft like this. Like, I think back to the, you know, like, I don't know why I refer to it as his draft because he's the only one who didn't pan out, but it's like chosen rows in. And we've had stack quarterback classes before. In fact, you got three guys right there at the top of the draft in, in, in May, McDaniel's, and obviously Caleb Williams, like it's just obviously it's a quarterback league and there are more of them now than ever. I mean, we've even seen the guys kind of off the scrappy play reasonable quarterback play. I'm just like, oh, right. I'm just so excited to see what it's going to look like because they're not all going to pan out. They, they very well could, but it's just generally speaking rule of thumb. One of those guys is probably not going to take off the way you like. I don't think it's going to be Williams. So it'll be interesting to see if it's McDaniel's or may. Well, you look at that. You talk about that Rosen draft. There are so many people that were clamoring for the bills to take Josh Rosen. And then they took Josh Allen, the two best quarterbacks out of that draft are Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Yeah, what that 28 and wherever Allen went, Allen went seven. Yeah. But the bills traded up and that and everybody was like, this is a huge mistake. They can't take this guy. He's too raw. He's too whatever. And Baltimore actually traded into the first round to take Lamar Jackson near the end of that. So they could get the fifth year option. That's right. Worked out pretty well. I'd say, I'd say, yeah, just, you know, the contract negotiation worked out a little less well for them there, although they got that taken care of. All right, Canada, metal hopes crashed, crashed. I tell you at the Olympics yesterday in terms of men's basketball, we'll talk to Michael Grange about that. But before we do that, we'll also sneak in a little bit of Blue Jays series with the Orioles. My other tables have turned of these two teams in the ALEs. First hour of the show is in the books here. It's a fair morning show on sports net five,
