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That's angie.com. - Well, the presidential campaigns hit the ground running, but Donald Trump remains on the sidelines. Tonight, the new reporting that might just explain why. Plus, an alleged terror plot targets Taylor Swift's concerts. The events now cancel with major security questions now being raised. And a mystery in space is getting stranger and longer by the second why two astronauts are now being told that they may not get home until next year. Tonight on Laura Coates Live. (upbeat music) All right, we are now officially under 90 days until the election, that means just 30 days until early voting really begins. It's a full on sprint from this day forward. And one campaign is acting like it. The other, well, they might still be trying to find its footing. The Washington Post tonight reports that Donald Trump is quote complaining relentlessly about Kamala Harris' new momentum. Sources say that he's asking why she's raising so much more money than he is. And why she's getting such large crowds. Well, today probably didn't help them feel better on that last point, because Harris and her new running mate, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, packed their events today. And not one, but two battleground states, Wisconsin and also Michigan. It's good to have a plane. Harris and Walz hammering the very same message. - These ideas that they're putting out there, they are weird as hell. No one's asking for it. - And look, as we move our nation forward, Donald Trump intends to take our nation backward. Now, Donald Trump's running mate, Senator J.D. Vance, is putting in the groundwork also. He's actually shadowed Harris in the same states that she's been to this week. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and also Michigan. And after hearing Walz call him continuously weird, I mean, for days now, today, the J.D. Vance hit back. - And the reason it doesn't make sense is because you ask who's weird, right? I think it's pretty weird to be the borders and to open up the border and allow fentanyl to come into your community. - Okay, so you saw Harris and Walz and Vance, they were all out on the trail, who's missing? Well, what about Donald Trump? The best we can tell, he did an interview with a live streamer on Monday. He did a phone interview with Fox today. And his only scheduled rally this whole week is Friday and none other than reliably red Montana of all places. And yet, as frustrated as Donald Trump might be, and as energized as Democrats might be, it's masking a bit of a reality shock. Will the energy actually translate to votes? Because all the polls suggest that this race is razor tight and could be anyone's to win or to lose. Do you want to be now White House correspondent for Politico, Eli Stokles, CNN football commentator and former deputy chief of staff at HUD under the Trump administration, Mr. Michael Singleton, and Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign manager, Robby Mook. Good to have all of you guys here today. Leave again with you, Mr. Michael. We're hearing that Trump may be stewing a little bit. Crowd size, fundraising. He's also not campaigning, that was running mates out there. Who is behind that decision? You think Trump or his campaign? - I would imagine the candidate. I'm certain the campaign managers and the strategists won him out there. I mean, look, I gotta give it to Vice President Harris. I mean, she has a significant amount of momentum. They're raising a lot of money. What, almost 200,000, I think volunteers, registered. That stuff's gonna help. You talked about in your opening monologue, will that momentum translate into electoral votes? You know, it depends, but what it will do is, in a very, very tight race, potentially it will get people who are low propensity voters or who weren't previously eager to maybe suddenly turn out. And that can certainly make a difference marginally in certain states where we know the differences was under 30,000 votes. And so if you're the Republicans, you gotta get your butt out there, some of those battleground states ASAP and make your message to the American people. - I mean, so maybe not just Montana, Robby, on this point. Let me ask you to be the crowds at the Harris Waltz rally. I mean, they're pretty significant. And there was also something that, harken back to a yesteryear, so to speak. There was a chant that was brewing. Listen to what was going on. - So in this, so in this campaign. - Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, you know what? Here, hold on, here's the thing. The courts are gonna handle that. We're gonna beat 'em in November. We're gonna beat 'em in November. - So that first one was back in Atlanta. This one as recently as tonight. The chant was locked in November. - So that first one was back in Atlanta. This one as recently as tonight. The chant was locked in November. - So that first one was back in Atlanta. This one as recently as tonight. It was locked him up. You heard, lock her up back in 2016. What do you think is the strategy behind Vice President Kamala Harris, we're tamping that down? Is this a reclamation of the moral high ground of sorts? - Yeah, absolutely. I mean, again, the contrast couldn't be bigger. She's been saying it from the beginning. She was a prosecutor in San Francisco. He is a 34-time felon who's been convicted. Look, she's got the momentum. She's got the win behind her back. She doesn't need to get into petty attacks. And one of the things that's been really remarkable to me in the last few weeks is, and you've heard Governor Walsey at this joy that is coming out on the campaign. I'll tell you, I was at my local county Democratic meeting tonight, the entire parking lot was full. I couldn't find a place to park. Once I got on, people were literally lined up within the gymnasium just to sign up to volunteer. This is very real, what's going on. And what is remarkable to me about Trump is, as you said, he seems to just be sitting there stewing rather than getting out and driving a message in a contrast in this race. They seem to put JD Vance out there today to try to be the attack dog, but it's falling so flat. And it's surprising to be in particular, 'cause if you watched the Republican convention just a few weeks ago, that room was, it was energetic. It was boisterous. They felt like they were on the march. And then it's just gone. So they need to press the reset button and get their act together. 'Cause I'm telling you, what is going on out there with Democrats, it's very real. That momentum is very real. - You know, it almost has the, you know, you're right about the RNC. Before that, it's like 1,000 years ago, you still have a guy in the top of the ticket. They waited to actually make the announcement until after it happened. 90, what minutes after he made the decision to have the prisoner swap exchange complete. I mean, there were a lot of things going on behind the scenes, but I do wonder about the momentum as we get towards, say, another academic year, because the protests that were happening in looming large across campuses is about to start potentially again. And there was a moment as well where Harris was briefly interrupted by a small group of protesters with a pro-Palestinian message during tonight's rally. That might be a bit of a preview of what she could expect in the fall, but listen to how that went. - He intends to end the Affordable Care Act. You know what? If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that otherwise I'm speaking. (audience cheering) - She's in Detroit, also the home of obviously Michigan, and the uncommitted voters that had quite the response in the primaries. What can they do? - Yeah, that was a fairly terse response to those protesters, I think, especially given that the vice president met prior to that speech with some of the leaders of the uncommitted movement and expressed an openness to hearing out some of their policy goals or hopes what they would like. So she's expressed an openness to hear them. She obviously does not want to re-litigate and re-open the conversation about the war in Gaza. She wants to maintain this momentum and the course that she's on right now. And so we'll see how they do that. She's in terms of delivering the stump speech, right? Just trying to ride this wave. The enthusiasm, all the ways in which this race has flipped in the last couple of weeks since Biden was the nominee to now Kamala Harris, top the ticket. And it's definitely true that Trump is wallowing right now. That's what he does. I covered his entire campaign in presidency. We know that when things don't go well after the 2018 midterms, he's stewed for weeks. He was in a really dark place. We know how he reacted to the 2020 election and to losing the election. How he responds to this and the unexpected shift in this campaign and trying to get the momentum back. I mean, the Harris rallies, you can look at those protests and the small interruptions, but by and large, what we have seen from her since she took over the top of the ticket for Democrats, the enthusiasm is off the charts. It feels like Trump rallies felt in 2016. - But you know we-- - And I think Trump recognized that, recognized that as best as well as anybody does in terms of what is happening, how organic it is. And you know, he's running for the third time here. What he's doing is not all that new. Suddenly, instead of running against an 81-year-old president who people didn't think was fit to serve out for more years, he's running against an incumbent, but he was representing-- - I hear you, but you know what? You know what is new for many people, Eli? We don't hear interviews. We're not hearing a lot of-- we're hearing the rallies. We're seeing the rallies. We're not hearing interviews from Waltz and Harris. It was like, I think for Clinton and Kane within two days of the announcement that they came out and had a joint interview where they could be tested more fulsomely as opposed to a protester addressing a particular claim, why do you think they're not having those interviews right now? Is it because of what Eli's talking about? The momentum is strong enough that they think they'll rock the boat. - Well, I actually just think it's because they've only been running for what, two and a half weeks or something like that, and she doesn't know. - It's at 9,000, 9,000 years though. - Well, look, I think they need to get through the convention, so she needs to, you know, the speech prep that they need to do. She is still casting this message. We're really starting to see it come together at these rallies, but that's still being forged. But look, she's gonna have to get out there and do interviews. There's no question of that. I think you'll start to see that after the convention. I think the other reality for her and really for any candidate and certainly Trump believes this, it's not just traditional, you know, sitting down in a studio like this. I think they're also gonna get out there to different platforms and meet the voters where they are. Young people, the swing among young people over the last few weeks has been dramatic. That's gonna be a very important audience and they're much more in that online space. - I don't know, this is a hell of a studio to have the interview. - I mean, I mean. - I'm just saying it's a great studio, but I wanna get you one second, but I do know you have some reporting about the timing of potential interview because we're less than 90 days away and there's an indication that they may be waiting until maybe Labor Day, is that right? - We did hear from a person very close to the Vice President who believes that given how well things are going, given the timing of the convention that she can wait that long, I don't know that they will, my understanding, talking to people on the campaign and close to the Vice President today is that they're starting to figure this out where they're going to go, who they wanna sit down with and the timing will probably be after the convention. Whether that's all the way to Labor Day, not sure, but I wouldn't expect much before that because they are on this role right now. They don't feel like they have to do it and to Robbie's point, the media has changed. It's not like they have to do an interview in a studio with an anchor like you or with a major newspaper. I mean, they will do some of that, but they will also send Harris and Walls out there onto podcasts to talk to influencers and they believe, they really believe that they can reach more of the people that they really need to turn out for them in these swing states doing that than the sort of mass media, national news, traditional candidate interviews. - I wonder how, what they're actually gonna do. They can have accessibility, of course, just to note, I mean, early voting in places like North Carolina start on September 6th, so waiting to Labor Day, if there is an error or if there's a boost, there's little time to course check before that happens, but there's also, I think, part of the strategy, sure Michael here, if you're on the Trump Vans ticket, has been not policy concerns, but name calling. Now there's a new name. I think it's Kamala, or Kamala blah, I can't pronounce it 'cause I know how to pronounce her name correctly and I will give her the respect and dignity of the name that her parents chose for her. And yet, you hear Senator J.D. Vance who's saying, I'm not gonna adhere to the name that Trump is trying to have you. - How about there? What is that signal to you that they're not on the same page about the tactic? - I mean, look, I think J.D. recognizes that if you are going to potentially persuade voters in the middle, it's going to be by distinguishing yourself on policy differences. I think the name calling stuff, I don't think that really moves the needle. I haven't seen any quantitative data that convinces me that it does. You talked about how close the race is to get at the top of the show. It's close for a reason. I think Republicans, if you're looking at someone like Wall's, you can look at state taxes in his home state, you can look at migration patterns out of the home state of people, more people leaving the state to move an end to say, well, if you're such a great governor on a plethora of issues, why aren't more people moving there? Why are businesses leaving? That's one solid argument. I think if you want to go after Vice President Harris, you can talk about her attempting to moderate on several policy positions, which is why it's important to talk to journalists because journalists, such as yourself, will take her to task on, well, what's changed about your philosophical beliefs or your policy beliefs from four years ago to challenge her on those fronts? And so I think that's where the message needs to be for that 10%, or 5% of people in the middle, who are really paying attention very closely on the policy differences between each camp. - Robbie, in terms of how they respond, I mean, there's obviously a gravitational pull at times in politics to get lower and roll in the mud. Practically, it would be problematic. How do they continue to stay up? - Well, what's been remarkable to me, particularly from, we've seen from Governor Wallace's, as I was mentioning earlier, this joy that they're bringing. So I don't think they're afraid to mock what is weird, what is strange, what is nonsensical, and frankly, what's offensive about what they're saying. But Harris has an important task in the next three weeks going through the convention. She has got to define herself as a fresh, new direction for this country. What I saw for months over the, you know, this year and last year was voters saying in these, you know, focus groups and you see it in the polling, we want a different choice. They now have one. And she has to make clear that she is a fresh, turn the page moment for this country from the nasty politics of Donald Trump. And you can't do that if you're getting down into the mud pit with him. So I do think you'll see them staying at that higher level, but not being afraid to call it out, you know, when they see it. - Well, good news, bad news, gentlemen. It's less than 90 days, bad news, same thing. Thank you so much, everyone. Appreciate your time. Well, Senator J.D. Vance is attacking Governor Tim Walz's military record and he's accusing him of abandoning his unit before they deployed to Iraq. - What bothers me about Tim Walz is the stolen valor garbage, do not pretend to be something that you're not. - But the timeline, it shows something very different than what he's saying. We're gonna fact check it next. And a former military veteran who was Tim Walz's roommate in Congress is here to respond. - Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co-founder of Angie. And one thing I've learned is that you buy a house, but you make it a home. Because with every fix, update and renovation, it becomes a little more your own. So you need all your jobs done well. For nearly 30 years, Angie has helped millions of homeowners hire skilled pros for the projects that matter. From plumbing to electrical, roof repair to deck upgrades. So leave it to the pros who will get your jobs done well. Hire high quality certified pros at Angie.com. - They say opposites attract. 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Now let's do a little bit of a fact check because this timeline is very key to understanding this criticism and figuring out whether it's well-founded or complete hogwash, as they say. Walts actually filed paperwork to run for Congress in February of 2005. The next month, the guard announced a possible deployment to Iraq within two years. Walts then announced he intended to stay in the raised quote, whether that is in Washington DC or in Iraq. He retired from his guards unit in May of 2005, although it's unclear when he submitted his retirement papers. But two months later, his unit received deployment orders to Iraq. Now we should note while Walts was not on that deployment, he was deployed with the Minnesota National Guard in August of 2003 to Italy in a supporting role for the war in Afghanistan. While there, he did not see combat. But now Vance is also accusing Walts of falsely claiming he did serve in a combat zone. That claim comes from this clip of Walts talking about gun control. - We can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war is the only place where those weapons were at. A Harris campaign spokesperson is responding to the accusation this evening, saying quote, "In his 24 years of service, the governor carried, fired and trained others to use weapons of war innumerable times." As for Vance, he served four years in the Marines as an enlisted combat correspondent, which involves the gathering of military news. In that role, Vance was deployed once to Iraq for roughly six months. And in his book, Hillbilly Elegy, Vance says quote, "I was lucky to escape any real fighting." I wanna bring in Patrick Murphy. He's a former Pennsylvania congressman who was elected to Congress in the same year as Governor Walts. They also roomed together. Congressman Murphy, thank you so much for being here. I had to tell you, I'm surprised even in politics that there would be an attack between veterans. I mean, you're also a veteran. When you see these claims from Vance, that the governor somehow has what he called stolen valor, that he's lied about his military service, what's your response to these kinds of attacks? - It's heartbreaking to be honest with you. And it's really disappointing that Senator Vance has done that. I mean, Tim Walts has given 24 years of his service to our country in uniform, 24 years. And when our nation asked Sergeant Major Walts to deploy for operation during freedom, he went overseas. That means he left his job. He left his wife and young kids. He went overseas and served where the army told him. And it wasn't in Afghanistan, it was in Italy, but that's where his unit was. It's for our thriller unit, for Minnesota, the Minnesota National Guard. So for Senator Vance to do this, it's really disheartening. You know, when he was announced, you know, there's a lot of us veterans, you know, I'm a proud Democrat. You know, I didn't attack his military service. That's not what you do to your brother and sister veterans, especially Laura, the less than 1% that has served during the fighting moment of our country's history, the longest wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you just don't do that. - And yet it's being done, Congressman, and there is a particular statement, and I hear you, words matter, and the word choice that Governor Walts use is part of what is being used to attack. I mean, I wanna read for you in the audience what was said. The quote was, "Those weapons of war that I carried "in war." Their point that it suggests he's somehow exaggerating or just being untruthful. Did that statement give you any pause in the particular way he phrased it? - He has done thousands and thousands of interviews on television, on radio, et cetera, and they find one little misstatement, and he didn't, as he said, was he was talking about weapons of war, and that's what he's trained himself. He's trained hundreds, if not thousands, of his soldiers in those weapons of war. Those M16A2 assault rifles, those M4 assault rifles. And that's a frustrating part. He's making a broader point, not about his military service, about how these weapons of war have no place in our schools killing our kids, have no place shooting former presidents. Like, you know, they're just wrong, right? Now, again, I like Tim Walts, believe in the Second Amendment. I like Tim Walts as a gun owner. But that doesn't mean we should have weapons of war in the hands of people who aren't trained and aren't ready and aren't mentally capable of handling them. - I'm very glad that you pointed out this nuance and really what was, I can only describe it as deflection because the topic he was discussing was gun control and gun violence and common sense regulation, which being picked up on instead is something entirely different than what he was actually articulating, which is very important to so many Americans, not at least to which all the parents like myself who are preparing for yet another school year where our children, elementary kids, will have to have first and active shooter response drills in our schools. Congressman, there's also a newly surfaced interview from back in 2009 and, you know, the vetting process and policy goes on, the digging up is gonna come, you will know this, but he reflected, Governor Walts reflected on why it was he left the guard. Oh, wait, listen to what he had to say. - I left in April of 2005 and this was what, you know, for me, it was just short of 25 years and it was to run for this office. We were really concerned that we were gonna try and do both. There's always the Hatch Act and some of the things that Jeff, you're very careful of. - Obviously the Hatch Act, very important in terms of not having conflicts of interest posed. What did you make of this statement? 'Cause some people are looking at this and assessing whether or not he was thinking about a violation or that he had committed one, what do you say? - I say that's exactly, Tim Walts is a leader of character. He didn't want to make sure that he was, when he was in uniform, he was focusing the task in hand. He was focused on his men and women in his unit. When he was gonna be a candidate for Congress, why is that? Because he saw with his own eyes, serving our country, the wrong basically policies of then the Bush administration that we didn't belong in Iraq, that the counterbalance to Iran in the Middle East used to be Iraq, which is no longer the case. It was an unnecessary work, is our strategic mistake. And I give Tim Walts a lot of credit and that's why, Laura, Tim Walts is one of the leaders of the post-9/11 generation of us veterans who had been less than that 1% that served during these times, during these defining moments and basically gave the government a blank check to cash in which included his own life potentially. And God, you know, God, why it didn't happen. But then Tim Walts served in Congress with distinction, authoring the post-9/11 GI Bill, which right now there's about 1.1 young Americans and colleges and universities using that, including Jamie Vance when he was at Yale. And also the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, because that policy kicked out 13,000 of her troops, just because who they loved, just because they were part of the LGBT community. And then one last thing, serving as the governor of Minnesota, which I know you know that state well, you grew up there, high school and law school, et cetera, when he was the governor of Minnesota, it was Donald Trump that said he did a great job during the riots. Literally, President Trump at the time said Tim Walts did a great job. It was Tim Walts who made that state the fifth best in job creation in the country. It is Tim Walts that helped make that the lowest unemployment rate in our nation. He has done a phenomenal job for Minnesota families, and he will do a phenomenal job as our next vice president. - Well, Congressman Patrick Murphy, let me tell you how I was raised to respond to a veteran who has served. Thank you for your service, full stop. - Thanks, Lord, appreciate you. - Ahead, a new election rule in Georgia has some people crying foul. And it could actually cause some pretty significant problems in November, I'll explain all about it next. In Georgia, two words could create havoc come November. The state's election board approving new rules that allow local election officials to conduct what they're calling a reasonable inquiry to confirm if election results are indeed accurate. The three Republicans on the five person board say it's in the name of transparency. But the board did not define what it means to have a reasonable inquiry, nor what would even trigger that inquiry. Now, critics say that it could slow down certification and violate state law. Georgia is, you could imagine, expected to be a battleground state yet again. Remember in 2020 Biden only won by about 12,000 votes, and Trump is facing charges for allegedly leading a pressure campaign to reverse those very results. And speaking of Trump, he praised the three Republican election board members at his rally in Atlanta just days before they passed the change. - I don't know if you've heard, but the Georgia state election board is in a very positive way. This is a very positive thing, Marjorie. They're on fire. They're doing a great job. Three members. Janice Johnson, Rick Jeffries and Janelle King, three people, are all pit bulls fighting for honesty, transparency and victory. - Naming him specifically, interesting. One man who's fighting the new rule is joining me right now. Nikhil Suss is the Deputy Chief Counsel at Crew, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Nikhil, I'm glad you're here and helping us unpack this. This is really significant. I mean, you actually testified in the hearing yesterday. And as we know, Georgia, the site of many conversations about that phone call with Brad Raffensberger, for example, he actually has repeatedly said that there was no fraud. It was a fair and free election in 2020, was not a stolen election. Will this rule change the way people perceive the integrity of elections there? - Well, thank you, Laura, for having me. I think that is a risk that allowing this sort of discretion at the county level could so distrust, could enable county level officials to obstruct or delay the lawful certification of election results. And that's what I was testifying to the board about yesterday. And I laid out the case for why the law clearly prohibits that sort of thing, but the board wasn't much interested in hearing about the law, yes. - That's interesting to me. Think about also, there's ambiguity. I mean, discretion prosecutors are often criticized for having unfettered discretion. They think, you know, you can indict a ham sandwich. There's oftentimes the elements of a particular crime, they have to have a burden of proof to meet. Here, the phrase is reasonable inquiry. Well, first of all, what does that mean? And what triggers it? And how is this different than the normal way of counting and certifying results? - So it's a great question. It doesn't really have a concrete meaning. That's part of the problem here, that the term reasonable inquiry is undefined, it's open-ended, it's subjective. There's 159 counties in Georgia. County election officials in each county may have a different view of what's reasonable. And so this could lead to a patchwork system across the state where you have different officials in different counties performing different analyses that they call reasonable. And there's no uniformity and there's no opportunity to even test this rule because they're trying to rush it into place before the election, which is mere months away. So there's not only is the rule untested, it's being implemented at the last minute. So that's really troublesome. And in terms of how this is different from the normal procedure, county election certification is a non-discretionary act. They don't have discretion over this. Just like Mike Pence didn't have discretion on January 6, 2021 to overturn the election, he had to count the votes and certify the election. It's the same thing at the county level. And what these officials are trying to do is make this a discretionary act. And there are 159 counties in Georgia. There are over 3,000 counties in the United States. You can imagine what would happen if every county official in the country decided that they had discretion on whether to certify an election. - It also strike me in the lack of uniformity, as you mentioned, that one person's rights could be compromised and not in the same criteria. And another county, the one person, one vote, might be a little bit distinct in that instance. There's sure to have legal challenges to this. But would any of these legal challenges that might come up, would they be viable given the board's standing? - So I think both throughout the country where we have seen these issues come up, the state authorities and other parties have successfully gone to court and compelled certification through state law mechanisms. So those state law mechanisms do exist and they are effective. - In this instance, we are exploring all legal options to potentially challenge this rule and that remains on the table. The Georgia election board is an administrative agency and it is subject to the procedural rules that apply to all administrative agencies. That was another thing I was trying to explain to the board yesterday. They are subject to the case law and they are subject to the statutory law just like any other-- - Notice and comment, I'm assuming as well. - Correct, correct. And that's what this process was. We were commenting on the proposed rule before it went into effect. And one of the things they have to consider is, is this consistent with the law? Are we operating within the balance of the law? And our position is they were going against over a century of Georgia Supreme Court precedent. - It's okay, nothing's really at stake when it comes to it. Nicole, Suss, thank you so much for joining me. - Happy to be here, thank you. - Very scary times because three Taylor Swift concerts in Europe were canceled over an alleged terror plot. The details of this rapidly developing story, I'll bring you next. - From politics to pop culture and everything in between, CNN's Five Things brings you the five essential stories to get you up to speed and on with your day, five times a day. - Hello from CNN, I'm Jo Beck, with the Five Things You Need to Know for Tuesday. - CNN Five Things, listen now, ad-free with Amazon Music. (upbeat music) Tonight, Taylor Swift at the center of a foiled terror plot in Austria. Three days of concert scheduled to start tomorrow, canceled after police say two people planned an attack in Vienna. The concert promoter says one of the targets was the largest stadium in Austria, where Swift was scheduled to perform. Two men have been arrested and please say there were further detentions, authorities finding possible explosives and chemicals inside the home of one of the suspects. More than 200,000 fans were expected to attend across the three days, both inside and outside of the stadium. So far, Swift has not commented, but in 2019, she opened up about her fears of touring after 2017 terror attack at Ariana Grande's concert in Manchester and the massacre at the Country Music Festival in Las Vegas, saying quote, "I carry quick clot army grade bandage dressing," which is for gunshot or stab wounds. We have to live bravely in order to truly feel alive, and that means not being ruled by our greatest fears. With us now, an authority on terrorism, Colin P. Clark, director of research at the Sophant Group and author of After the Caliphate, the Islamic State in the future of the terrorist diaspora. Colin, thank you so much for being here. This is, you know, so terrifying for so many people to think about this. And the police are saying that the suspects were radicalized online. One, just 19 years old, pledged allegiance to the leader of ISIS last month. How do authorities track and catch cases like this? - Well, it seems, in this case, they had help from a foreign intelligence service, likely our own, likely the United States, providing some kind of signals intelligence to Austrian authorities. But you're right, really young ages of the perpetrators. And this is really a trend we've seen with the Islamic State for some time. In Europe this year alone, there's been at least a half a dozen plots that have been disrupted. In one plot, there was an individual as young as 13 years old. And this is the third time Vienna's been targeted in recent months. There was the Vienna Pride Parade. There was an ISIS plot against that. And there was another one on New Year's Eve against a cathedral there. So, you know, Europe is under heavy stress right now, high alert. - That's unbelievable to think about the frequency which we're dealing with this. But also chemicals were found in the 19 year old suspects home. Was that tell you about the playing that went into this plot and what might have happened? - Well, it tells you about how serious they were. You know, more will come out in the coming days, but I wouldn't be surprised if these individuals were in touch with what we call a virtual plot or someone in the Islamic State, probably Islamic State Coruscant, which draws a lot of fighters from Central Asia, but also has outreach to individuals and the Balkans, the Caucasus and other kind of regions in that part of the world. And it shows you that the goal was to conduct a high casualty attack on civilians, not too dissimilar from the Ariana Grande Manchester arena bombing. It killed 22 people and injured a thousand more. So these people were determined and thankfully the authorities stopped them before they had a chance to attempt this attack. - I mean, thank God that has happened and that people were able to stop it. And you've mentioned the way that Europe and large venues have been vulnerable like that 2017 bombing in Manchester. Is there a way to deter and protect, particularly when you've got venues of this size and people would have been both inside and outside? - Well, it's about hardening soft targets, concert venues, hotels, now sadly, places of worship. And we're in a state of heightened alert, but at the same time, there's fatigue. There's counter-terrorism fatigue from 20 years of the so-called war on terrorism. And so budgets have been reduced, personnel has been shifted to other hotspots like China, Russia, artificial intelligence. And so the bench is increasingly thin when it comes to counter-terrorism. And I don't think we're necessarily devoting enough resources like we were 20 years ago. It doesn't have to be at that same level, but it can't just completely tail off. We've got to harden soft targets and we need more people looking at where the threats are coming from. - These are very trying times and difficult to think about the demographics, the youth, the relative youth of people who would have been at these venues as well. Thank you so much for clarifying and giving us that important context. Colin P. Clark, thank you. - Thanks for having me. - Two astronauts still on the International Space Station after their spacecraft broke down weeks ago. Well, now their return could be delayed. Get this until next year. So what exactly is going on here? And we have a former NASA astronaut who might have some ideas just ahead. (dramatic music) - In the face of overwhelming odds, I'm left with only one option. I'm gonna have to science the shit out of this. - They say opposites attract. That's why the sleep number smart bed is the best bed for couples. You can each choose what's right for you, whenever you like. 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