Ben & Woods On Demand Podcast
Aug. 8th Hour 2: Don't Do This Padres Edition + Eno Sarris
All right. So when you told me who did get fired makes a little sense in my mind. The city of Chicago is rejoicing today. I think Craig council that's crazy. Craig council remains the Cubs manager, but Pedro Grafalle is out today. They have let Pedro Grafalle go after a just horrendous, horrendous season team is commencing a search for new manager immediately does not expect a full-time replacement to be announced until after the season as we all recognize our team's performance. The season's been disappointing on many levels despite the on field struggles and lack of success. We appreciate the effort and professionalism Pedro and the staff brought to the ballpark every day. These two seasons have been very challenging results were not there changes necessary as we look to our future in the development of a new energy around the team from Chicago White Sox general manager Chris gets what Chris wants Chris gets if I'm, um, okay, this makes sense to me people are going, why, why even bother? It's, it's not like you're trying to turn anything around at this point. Just you've seen the, you've seen the, but you've seen the, it had to happen. Rob Thompson's a great example. You fire Joe Girardi. Yeah. But that season was still salvageable obviously. They went on to the world series, but I mean, this one is not like you said there. It's a new energy. If they, if you have somebody, they clearly, I think have somebody in mind where they, they say, maybe go audition. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I have. Yeah. And then we've got some more info. How do you, it's, they're, they're horrendous. But why not do it, you know, in the, in that long losing streak, they just won a game two days ago. Now they lost again last night, but I don't think you as saddle, even an interim manager with a record losing streak. Like you have to let Grifal see that once you, it's in see that one, and then once you win, you don't fire a guy right after a win. So then now you're waiting for the next to make, I think my guess is, is that Chris gets about a week ago, said, okay, we got to make a change, but I'm not, I'm not firing him and putting an interim manager in the situation where you now have to deal with an historic losing streak. So I'm going to wait until the win, and I'm not going to do it when they win, but then when they lose, I'm going to do it after that. So honestly, it makes a lot of sense if you're going to make that change. Now make Aussie Guillen the interim GM, that would, or the interim manager. That would be a lot of fun. That would be something else. He crushes that team on the post game show. It's hysterical fans would love that. Yeah, they would. The entertainment value is the only thing that would be left for, for that season would be what is Aussie going to do today? Yeah. Yeah. I guarantee you they won't do that. He's good copy is what he is. I mean, to cover him, he's, he's good copy for, for people to cover Aussie Guillen. But yeah, man, I mean, he's, he's, he is one of those guys though that is so anti modern baseball. Like he, he loath modern baseball, but you never know what will work with the team and what won't. So we're going to get into the weird bottom of the ninth inning. And if you didn't stay all the way through the post game show and like follow the drama on Twitter and to find out what actually happened and the umpires roll in at all, we'll get to that coming up and don't do this. We do need a contestant for real or fake though. If you want to call in right now, chance to qualify for a trip to Las Vegas 833-288093. I don't put you on hold, get to our game in just a couple of minutes. I want to get to the other Padres news of the day from before the game out. And that is the plan for this weekend in Miami for the, for the pitching rotation. So Mike Shelton named Randy Vasquez as his starter for today. Now waited a few days to do it. This is as unsurprising as any move as it is Randy Vasquez's turn in the rotation. And this is just sticking with what you've been doing by going with Randy Vasquez. He then said that Dylan Sees will pitch this weekend in Miami possibly on Sunday, but he left the door open to, to potentially throwing him on a different day. But it also seemed to be indicated that Joe Musgrove, who they had already announced will return this weekend in Miami, now maybe pushed back to Monday and pitch against the pirates at Petco Park in the first game of the homestand. And while they haven't named any official starters for the weekend, my thinking would and tell me if you agree is they'll just remain then on, on track with Martin Perez on Friday tomorrow. Okay. And then Matt Walderin on Saturday, Dylan Sees on his regular rest, even though he only pitched an inning, just wait until Sunday to throw Dylan Sees and then Joe Musgrove will slide in on Monday with hopefully, you know, Dylan Sees having gone deep into the game on Sunday. Have a good bullpen behind Joe Musgrove, who's still expected to be limited to about 65 pitches around four innings. Yeah, I mean, it's a decent strategy, you know, Joe pitching at home, you know, Joe pitching at home means he's got to get the first three outs, right? So if you're on the road, maybe you can stake him to a three, you know, three four run lead or whatever. The six of one half dozen, the other, I really don't care either way, as long as he's back and effective. Um, again, I think they have probably, they've probably racked their brains over the best way to do this. And again, Benny, I think it's all dependent, right? Everything changes. There's nothing set in stone. You can't have it that way in baseball, really, unless you have all five starters, just healthy and ready to go and very few teams have that. And I don't know how much strategy is going into it. You can talk to Mike Schultz about it tomorrow, what he's willing to reveal, but not getting guys a second look at the same picture when you play a team, one of these bounce back series where you're playing twice in a span of a week. Do you want to try to get a different guy? Now they only saw Dylan Cease for an inning, but you know, Joe Musgrove, obviously they haven't seen, right? And then after Joe, if you stay on turn, it would be going back to what would it be going back to? Not Michael King yet. Who pitched? Who pitched two days ago? Who pitched before Dylan Cease? Waldron. Waldron. So, you know, you'd be going back to King, I guess? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess they'll get C King twice either way. We got a lineup out and I'm good news. I am shocked as I've ever been, but you got Luis Arayas leading off playing first base jerks and pro far in the lineup. So the X-rays not only were negative, but he's feeling good enough that they have put him into the lineup batting second today. You got crony. That amount of left field. Yeah. Left field crony playing second, Manny at third, Xander Bogart's will be your DH today, Jackson Merrill in center and Peralta in right, Hassan Kim back at short and Kyle Higashyoka will catch Randy Vasquez today. Okay. So that is excellent news. The jerks and pro far who probably lobbied strenuously to be back in the lineup today will be there after getting plenty of treatment. I'm sure last night in this morning, I'm sure he's got a nasty black and blue on it, but he's been dealing with, you know, knee issues and the tendonitis all season, probably old hat for him. That ball, when it hit his knee and careened like 25 feet away, I mean, that had to hurt so bad. So so the way he tossed his helmet, not so much, not at these, he's not mad at the picture. Angry, but just the pain. You're mad at the pain. Yeah. A hundred percent. And then he went down and like you try to get up and, you know, it's like get down, you know, stay down, give yourself a second here and insisted on staying in the game. But then when, you know, Mike Schultz saw him trying to run to second base and having trouble slowing up and at second, they, I mean, that's an important run out there. And he pulled him for the, the, the pinch runner and Hassan Kim, who then stayed into the game, which was a big factor, by the way, in what happened in the bottom of the ninth inning. We're going to get to that coming up and don't do this in our next segment. So stay tuned. Some very interesting happenings late in that game that you might not be aware of right now though. We got full phone lines. Everybody wants to play real or fake in a throwback Thursday at him. If you would, please some are here for the compelling sports talk with Ben and Woods. You can go plow through another donut. It's time for real or fake on 97 three, the fan, tell the people what they'll win today. I will play in for the two nights stay at Resorts world Las Vegas and two tickets to carry underwood. If you can get four out of seven correct, you will go into our grand prize drawing, carry underwood reflection at Resorts world theater. It's a residency from August 14th to October 26th tickets are on sale now at access.com R W Las Vegas.com. I'm just going to go completely at random. Let's go line six, William is is William. All right, you are contestant today on real or fake. You know the rules? I will review it's a very simple game. I will give you the category. All you have to do is decide whether it's real or fake. If you get four right and you need to get Woods's help, we will put you into the drawing for the grand prize. Yeah. All right. Woods, you ready? Yes. All right. So we've been focused on the Padres obviously. Apparently they are still getting ready for a new NFL season this year. And there is actually a full slate of preseason games this weekend. So what a better time to get caught up on the current state of the game today on real or fake. I'll give you a name. You just tell me if they are a real current head coach of an NFL team. Or if it's a fake in this case team USA Olympic medalist, okay, at the games in Paris, couldn't be easier. Right? William NFL head coach. Real Olympic medalist fake. All right. We got the buzzes and the dings ready. All right. Round number one NFL head coach, real or fake, Brian Callahan, real or fake, William. Oh, Callahan, Brian Callahan. I'll say fake. He's going to say fake, Adam. Brian Callahan is the coach of any idea what's Tennessee Tyson Tyson's new coach of the Titans this year. He's still in the game. Let's go to round number two, Tom Shahar, Tom Shahar, real or fake, William, you can ask Woods for help. I don't know how much he knows about the opinions of the coaches. Yeah, would you have any idea? I sure do. I did a public event with Tom Shahar when I worked at 94-9. He was about 12 years old and he was a skateboarder and came in. We did like an interview and yeah, he is an Olympic gold medalist as of yesterday. So he's going to say fake, William. Would you like to agree? Yes. All right. And it is. Yeah, that's correct. I would have stunned you if I'd said no, he's the coach of the Panthers. He is not. All right. So that's one correct. All right. Let's go to round number three, Mike McDonald, Mike McDonald, real or fake, William? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. No, he's. Sorry. Mike McDonald. Wait. No, that's Mike McDaniel. All right. I can change my mind. It's not officially that Mike McDaniel. Mike McDonald is a, Mike McDonald is a, an Olympian. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's go to round number four. Let's try Sam Kendrick's real or fake head coach in the NFL, William. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. That's he's French. This is an American. All right. That guy. Round number five. Let's try Brady Ellison. Brady Ellison. Head coach in the NFL. I'm going to say fake. You can say fake. Are you confident? Silver medalist in archery. Congratulations. That's three. Oh, I watched him. One more. Correct. And you get it. All right. Round six. Grant Fisher. Real or fake NFL head coach. Grant Fisher. I don't sound familiar for football. So what do you think? I think it does sound familiar. It sounds like a head football coach. To me. This is a tough thing. Your decision, William. It's your decision. Yeah. Fisher used to be a head coach as long as I could go. But I'm going to, I don't know what words to say real. I don't even know what Woods decided. But I said, you know what? He said it doesn't matter. You said real. Your answer is locked in. It is. Okay. He said bronze medal is to be 10,000 meters. That's how you get one more. Oh, I think you guys can get this. Okay. Round seven for all the marbles. Jonathan Gannon. Jonathan Gannon. Jonathan Gannon. Real or fake? Come on, William. Jonathan Gannon. Ah. What? What do you think? What does that make this game easy? I mean, we got a good prize. Jonathan Gannon, I believe, is a head football coach. All right. What says real? William? All right. Let's go real then. It is. He's the coach of the Arizona Cardinals in a very tense game. 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Listen, if I just have something bad, I mean tell me I'm a bad boy, you know, just tell me I'm a bad boy. Why? Just. Why? I get the argument. You don't have to explain it to me. I'm not a moron. Let me tell you why I am a dumbest. It's time for, don't do this. Don't do this. On 97.3, the fan. I don't do this is brought to you by the craft taco in Serenno Valley, where Pauli had an amazing experience yesterday, had the bulgogi taco. He said it was life-changingly good. You can check out the craft taco yourself by going to the craft taco dot com. Take a look at those happy hour specials. Great for a Thursday or a Friday at the craft taco dot com. Woodsy, why don't you start or don't do this special Padres Pirates edition today. And the thing that really, in my opinion, at least, I thought the dive by Bryce Johnson and the first inning after Michael King had had a nice start striking out the first two guys he saw. Guy hits a kind of a bleeder. Well, yeah, I don't know the exit below on it. It was a blow. Yeah, it was like 80. He's running in for it. And again, man, you're wanting to make a play and, but it's risk reward in that scenario. You can then have a guy. You know if it gets past you, you're going to have a guy in scoring position. Kind of philanthropic gets to third. All the way to third, Rowdy Tiles comes up, hits a check swing dribbler down the line. That's one nothing, just like that. And again, you let that ball fall in front of you. I thought Michael King started to spiral a little bit in the first inning. Ended up throwing 30 pitches, man, play it back. It's the first inning. Let it bounce. Nobody's going to call you out for a lack of effort because you really weren't that close to that baseball. And once you dive, your pot committed, you was not able to knock it down. You see that sometimes the guy dives and is able to kind of knock it down and keep it in front of him. Keep the guy to first base. And I thought that could have changed the trajectory of the first inning. Yeah, I mean, no, he could have still gotten out of the inning, you know, got a check swing from Tiles. That was unlucky. Then I think a walk and then a double. Maybe they would have scored two runs anyway, even if it had been at first, that guy would have eventually come around to score. However, I think you're right, and that it changed the trajectory of the inning. And I'm also thinking you're right that, yes, when you get to play as, you know, infrequently as Bryce. Yes, you want to do something special. You want to show your hustling. Hey, by the way, that one wasn't even that hard. Of a call. That one's you always let that one fall with two outs and nobody on. Just let that one drop. Don't let him get to second and certainly don't let him get to third. It was a sloppy game though. Manny had a throwing error. Xander had that big error. There were four unearned runs scored quite frankly, the Padres did not deserve to win that game. No, they didn't. And they won it anyway. Yep. And you know, credit to Bryce Johnson, where credit's due the night before, he's playing right field, slick, sloppy, wet field, uh, Dylan sees, I think it was the first pattern of the game. Bryce Johnson made a spectacular catch running over to the line and for the first out of the game. I mean, the guy barreled it. And Bryce Johnson made a great play last night was one of those. Maybe you just let it fall in front of you, you know, keep him to, keep him, keep him at first base and maybe the inning goes a little bit differently. All right. The second don't do this goes, I guess I'll give it to the umpiring crew for what happened in the ninth inning. You don't even know at the time how involved it got. But remember, Padres are now tied at six after Jackson Merrill's home run and Mike Schilt brings in Robert Suarez, the well-rested Robert Suarez, but you're figuring, all right. I mean, you need to get through this inning. Then you need to score in the top of the 10 and then you still need to close it out. And you have Tanner Scott. He pitched, you pitched the day before, but I'm guessing you're wanting more than three outs from Robert Suarez here, if possible. So how is it that he only ended up throwing six pitches in that inning? It was, it started out, first pitch was a single up the middle. The second pitch was the error by Zander Bogard's that put runners at first and second could have been a double play, you know, could have changed the course of everything. The third pitch was a sacrifice bunt by Yasmani Grondal that moved the runners to second and third. The fourth pitch was ball one and then they decided to intentionally walk who was at the batter that whoever they said, Brian Hayes to load the bases. So Robert Suarez has thrown four pitches. At this point, the bases are loaded with one out. The winning run is a third base for the Pittsburgh Pirates and Bay comes up there. She won Bay comes up. Now he's a he's a lefty, it's a righty lefty matchup. But Tanner Scott, I don't think they were planning on pulling him in from the bullpen. I don't even think he was warming up yet because they're only been, he'd only thrown again, five pitches at this point. Then the umpires rule a pitch clock violation on Robert Suarez with a zero zero count. And this don't do this moment because the replays were clearly there. When the clock hit eight, that's when the batter is required to be in the box. And not only that, but engaged, like looking and ready for the pitch from the picture. Bay wasn't even, he had like one foot in the box with looking down, wasn't even close. He wasn't ready until about three seconds left on the clock. And then it hit zero and the umpires charge Robert Suarez with a pitch clock violation, which was incredibly unfair and I'm not even sure what the umpires were thinking in that situation. It shouldn't be ball one in that situation. So now what happens? Manny Machado quickly goes, that guy wasn't ready. Yeah. You know, the batter was not ready and the umpires then get together. Mike Schilt, though, comes out and they had just sent Ruben Nable out to the mound to talk about the G1 Bay at bat, you know, give him the scouting report, whatever, how we're going to attack this guy. So then Mike Schilt comes out and he wants to make sure that Manny and none of his players get ejected because he doesn't have any more position players left. Manny gets tossed arguing, he's got to put Matt Waldron in it, third base. I mean, literally, it would probably have been Matt Waldron or, I don't know, I mean, Martin Perez, I don't know who would be the best choice to go into play or you move a guy around and put one of them in the outfield or something, like Joe Musgrove had to. Yeah, absolutely no idea. He's out of position player. So he's just trying to make sure he's arguing, first of all, with the umpires and he's also telling guys, Hey, calm down. So unbeknownst to all of us until after the game, the umpires said, Hey, when you went out and talked to your players, you were out of the dugout. That counts as a mound, which is insane, which is now the second mound visit of the inning, which means according to baseball rules, you have to take out Robert Suarez. However, in the other rule, like we saw last week of Dave Roberts, when you go twice to the same guy, you can't make that change right there. So he has to finish off the at bat against Bay. And then you have to take him out of the gate. So it was not Mike Schiltz intention necessarily to take out Robert Suarez who went through another two pitches, sorry, the tag out at home plate, the force out at home plate. And then he had to go to Tanner Scott immediately out of the bullpen because the umpires had said you have to take out Robert Suarez in that situation, all sparked, of course, by the umpires initial mistake on the pitch clock violation, which never should have happened to begin with. Well, I saw a great tweet last night from our friend Laura that said, Hey, you know, the pitch clock is supposed to speed up the game. And that slowed the game down for 10 minutes, you know, and here's Robert Torres out there trying to stay loose and then Derek Shelton comes out, et cetera, et cetera. And holy smokes, it was a total, total cluster. But I don't know. I mean, our pitch clocks, did they reset them late sometimes? I have no idea. I'm sure they do. But it was, it was an S show, man, it absolutely was, was crazy. And again, to get out of that jam, I thought was, was pretty spectacular by Tanner Scott. Now he had to go sit and wait as the pottery score three runs after he had pitched the day before. I mean, this is not the plan. It's not the plan. No, it's, and sometimes you have to, you have to, you know, did it work out? Okay. He left the match up and he, and he got O'Neill Cruz. Yes, but it was not his intention. It was completely unintended consequences that Tanner Scott ended up in that game because there's no way. I was so surprised. I'm going. There's no way you're only throwing your clothes are for six pitches. Right. And like you're, you're playing match ups here. I thought it was a little bit odd too. But now yeah, you find that you come to find out when he came out of the dugout to talk to his players, he was actually charged with a mound visit and it's stunning that in six pitches, Robert Torres, both low to the bases and got to out. Yeah, it's banana six pitches. Yes, bananas. That is one of the crazier innings that we've seen in the pottery's managed to get through it. And of course, end up winning the game in the 10th, which brings me to my do do this moment. D D mega do do. That's okay. I don't remember. You ready? That's all right. Dave Grohl on the mind. And we talked a little bit. D D mega do do. Well, getting the job done amazingly in the bottom of the 10th inning after the rally on the top of the 10th. Nice jobs. Andrew Bogards. But oh, don't do this to the score or two. Didn't give Jackson Merrill a sacrifice fly in the top of the 10th inning. I mean, there was a whole discussion about blocking the plate. I didn't think there was a blocking the plate necessarily coming in his hand in front of the plate. Right. Xander ran through it. I think smartly. Right through it, that was fine, but that was not an easy play. I mean, he had to make a perfect throw, a perfect catch and a perfect tag to get Xander Bogards. And yeah, he should have probably been out. But that's not it. That's just a sacrifice fly. That's not it's not an error on the catcher in that situation. So I would think that they could look at that and change that ruling. But in the bottom of the 10th, Adrian Morihone escapes after the three walks by Tanner Scott, gets out of the inning, gets the final ground ball to short and then they throw it over the first Donovan Solano. I don't know how you're even thinking of this in that in that game in that craziness, but you could see it on the TV broadcast immediately runs over to Adrian Morihone hands on the ball and like points at it like, hold on to this. This is your first career. First big league save. This is special. And Adrian kind of looking like, Oh, yeah, thanks, like Donovan Solano at the presence of mine to go. Don't lose this thing. This is a hold on to this. This is for you and getting us out of that jam. What an incredible first save for Adrian Morihone like you got to think for Adrian Morihone, bro, it should get easier for you after that one. If that one was your first one, holy smokes, they don't all they're not all going to be like that. You know, you may never have another one like that seriously. That was absolutely insane that the Padres won that game. That's don't and do do this for a Thursday. That was don't do this with Ben and Woods 97 three, the fan, you know, Sarah says some thoughts on that game. We're going to do a little early smart baseball with our game coming up. Sammy's already getting ready for the pregame show. He had an amazing stat that he tweeted out this morning that I was unaware of share it all coming up with you. Ben and Woods, the 97 three, the fan. Oh, he's kind enough. He's going to join us an hour earlier because we got an early baseball game today. Yeah, we do. We're going to a pregame show in less than an hour here as the Padres go for a sweep of the pirates. Remember when we had, you know, on from the winter meetings or at least he didn't realize he was on. He sprinted sprinted over. He was out of breath. And then thought we were alive. Yeah, that was one of my favorite. That was it. That was such a great because are we all? Are we all just a great appearance and I think we may have a, we may get another one like that today. Now he's got an intro. Adam. Yes. So we'll get to that right after a check at traffic here at 97 three, the fan. It's time for the super polished just to be named smart baseball weekly segment with Eno Harris, Sarah's son of a bitch brought to you by seven mile casino just seven minutes from the ballpark by the big in Chula Vista. Here's, you know, Sarah's with Ben and Woods on 97 three, the fan. The story of my sources, Eno's been up like since four this morning on his sixth coffee, getting ready. Just for this appearance with us here on Ben and Woods, you know, thanks for forgetting up and joining us today. I am nothing. I am two minutes away. Are you? I heard Adam call you and you go, oh, I'm up, I'm up, I'm up, I'm up, it's Saturday, isn't it? Now you're still in, are you still in vacation mode? Where did you go on your vacation? We went up to Seattle. It was really fun. But yeah, what's what's going on is it's the end of summer. So it's the last couple of days that I can sleep in past seven. I can't imagine what it's like to sleep in past seven, but my heart, my heart does go out to you. We have two kids and we're in that weird gray area before school starts. And so they're home and they're insane and I totally, totally get it. I'm happy to be here with you this morning, Eno. And man, I wanted to talk about quickly the pitch from Araldis Chapman last night, 104.7 mile an hour sinker. I can't remember how old he is, but he's been in the league 36 years old and still gassing up guys on paint on Manny Machado last night. One of the more impressive pitches I think I've ever seen in my whole life. Oh my God, I mean, it's basically a front door sinker, you know, because it's coming back to the zone and it's, you know, Chapman's wild. So Manny's just going to stare at that, you know, and it makes sense. You know, you're going to take something 105 that looks like it's going to hit you. I mean, it was a great, it was a great at that just generally because you could tell, you know, Manny's found him off and he, you can see he's late. I mean, of course he's late, but he's, you know, it seems like maybe he's getting closer to time and I'm up because you can sometimes still, you know, time up, even the big gaseous gas. But then one thing that Chapman has done is, is add this sinker over time. He used to just only be forcing gas and he doesn't have great command. So the sinker isn't usually a great pitch for him because he can't, can't command it that well, but that was like the perfect pitch. It was just, it was, you know, and, and after he'd been battling just to watch that, that one be like, oh God. And it was such a great look between them too. It was awesome. Yeah. Great moment. Yeah, respect. His, uh, is gloating basically, but, uh, but many can't say anything except for, you know, wow. I think he said damn. I think he goes damn. Yeah. You know, you know, we talked to you about a month ago, you wrote about like the, with the upper limits of what a human being may be able to throw at some point. What now? How does it roll this Chapman? He, you know, percentage wise compared to even the hardest throwing relievers 105 is that's a good take up, you know, another extra percent or so that he's getting that even some of the other crazy hard throwers are getting. Well, didn't you tell us that every pitch they throw, they become less effective? I mean, my God, that was the most effective pitch I think I've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he is, I think an anomaly. If you just look at the hardest pitches thrown in the pitch tracking era in baseball, he's got like the first 10 spots and, you know, there's other guys like Ben Joyce, who's gotten close, you know, he's throwing 104 plus or whatever, there's other guys, but he's got the first spots. He's the king. And what's even crazier about it is he's doing this at his age, I mean, to continue doing that is really an anomaly. But in terms of like, if you were going to build a pitcher that, you know, could throw that hard, you might build a roll this Chapman because one of the things that's really correlated with, with velocity is the ability to put a lot of force into the ground. And I don't know if you've noticed, but he's a bit of a quadzilla himself. Yeah. Got it out. His massive size. And, you know, he's, he's also a big guy, you know, I was talking to Mason Miller, he's also throwing 103 or so, and Mason Miller was like, yeah, if you wanted to have someone throw even harder than us, you'd have to have someone even bigger than us. So, you know, I didn't put it in a story, but it'd be interesting to have somebody like a Giannis, you know, and Giannis was out there and tried to play baseball and looked terrible. That was the way you had a Giannis that played baseball his whole life. Yeah. You might have, you might have a chance. Yeah. He's one of the worst baseball players I've ever seen in my whole life. Yeah. It was pretty bad and really gives baseball, I think, a good name, you know, tuck in the you know, Sarah's from the athletic here, I'm better woods this morning. I hope this isn't too convoluted, but it's, I don't watch enough teams closely enough to know how their manager uses their bullpen. And what I mean is Mike Schilt will sometimes stretch a guy over a cup, you know, in getting out here and then he'll come out and pitch the first two batters, then they'll make a change. I don't watch enough other teams closely. You saw Tanner Scott last night, he had, we got one out big out, was kind of forced into action. Then they went with him again, uh, to give him, uh, not a clean inning because it was the extra inning. How much of an effect does this have on relievers or is it something that we fans just go, Oh, you can't do that, man. You can't keep making multiple changes per inning. Um, I know it, it, it, it wrinkles some of our fan base from time to time. And Shilty does it, but do you see it with other teams and have you talked to pictures about it? So this is making too many changes or too few or like having a guy come in in the middle of an inning and then taking them out in the middle of the next inning, so having to sit down, sit down, get back up and maybe still be getting three outs, but they're not three straight outs in the game. And we do see that a bit, you know, you're trying to get better match ups, maybe right, whatever. I think this is the, the probably the biggest source of feel, uh, in, in, in managing in the game, um, because there's, I mean, there's certain things you could say analytically, like, um, there's a really good reliever named Jenny or Cano, uh, in, in Baltimore, um, who's got him just a nasty sinker and a nasty change up, but he doesn't strike guys out a lot and he does have a slightly higher walk rate. So he's like a little bit better to, to bring in the game when you've got a guy on first or second. You know, uh, particularly if you've got a guy on first because he's going to get a ground ball and, you know, he could get a, he could get a double play and get you out of there. Um, and, uh, but if you put him in the beginning of an inning, like the ninth, he might walk a guy, give up a single because the strikeout rates are high and create a situation out nothing. Um, and so there are certain strategies with guys where, you know, if they're a high walk rate, high strikeout rate guy, you might want to give them a clean inning because they might put a guy on. That's Chapman. You know, you give Chapman clean innings because he might put a guy on, but he's going to strike three guys out, you know, and, um, and there's also a mindset, you know, Trevor May is on rates and barrels with us now and he's a former reliever. And he talks about how certain guys will, when it gets to three one, will just be like, next guy, you know, like, don't even, I'm not even bother. I'm not going to give in. It's a little bit like when you saw a place now, I'm giving, I'm not going to throw down the middle. I'm going to just keep doing what I do. And if you get out first, I'm going to try to strike out the next guy, you know, so those different mindsets, the guys who will battle, maybe the guys who are battle are guys who put in the middle of the inning because you can't give a block dude, you know, so if you're going to get to three one, I'd rather you sort of battle back in and you can't give up another base runner, you know, who do you put on with the bases loaded? Not the guy who says next guy, you know, somebody that's going to attack the zone. And yeah, yeah, try to try to get a strike out there. It makes sense. It makes sense to me. I, it's just, I can't sit on question bullpen management very much anymore because it's just so impossibly hard. Every manager wants your starter to go five or six and then to have your seventh coming out for a clean inning and your eighth inning guy and then your closer. And of course, yeah, there's games that go that way. But last night, last night in a bunch of games this year have not gone that way. I think, you know, by all accounts, I think Schultz done a pretty good job with it. But I just wanted to know if like, yeah, it's pitcher dependent and I like what you said, you know, when you talked about how guys, certain guys will battle and certain guys won't. Well, there's also what makes it hard to play along is that there's, you know, certain matchups that we, we can't even really sort of realize unless we're playing along like really heavily, which is, you know, maybe a guy has, you know, is loves to live high in the zone as a pitcher. And he's about to come up against Marcelo Zuna who, you know, demolishes high fastballs, you know, and, and maybe, you know, a guy has a power slider instead of a sweeper. And the power slider is actually a little bit, it's more platoon neutral, so you can throw a power slider to left, you can ride it, but you don't want to throw a sweeper to an officer handed hitter. So, you know, if your guy has more of a sweeper, he's Taylor Rogers, you know, sometimes you don't want to put him in against righties, you know, and so on and so forth. So, you know, there's a lot of like sort of pitch shape and how it interacts with the hitter. But lastly, I'd say like, you know, I might be, and I don't, I'm not living and dying with every, every game. So I understand that people don't want to do this, but I might give my shilts of grace because he has like a completely new bullpen, so that on some level, he's kind of learning the tendencies. And the last part is some guys are fine with getting warm a couple of times before they get in, other guys, you know, I've got them hot, I either got to use them now, or I got to bring them for the game, you know. So I wouldn't be surprised if Morihan was, was an interesting guy that way because he's, you know, a former starter, he's had the injury concerns. I'm not, I'm not suggesting, I know this, I'm just saying like, there may be, if you get Morihan warm, you use them, you know, so there's, there's just different, different ways that a manager has to feel his way through a bullpen. Last thing, you know, in the next couple of days, either Sunday, probably Monday now, Joe Musgrove's expected to come back. What will we look for there to see if Joe is Joe? Because you've told us before that you can, you know, identify pretty quickly based on velocity and movement, if a pitcher is truly himself or if he's not himself when he's on the mound. Well, I haven't really seen the best Joe velocity since, since Mexico City last year, and, and I just, I wonder if it's not back, but, you know, my stuff number likes them anyway. So I guess what I'm seeing, it was something to say is that if he doesn't have the velocity, what is his fastball strategy? You know, I talked to a hitting coach recently that said that they have their, he has their hitters fit slider against Joe Musgrove. So that's, that's problematic because as a fastball declines, Joe probably wants to go to the slider in counts where he needs a, he needs a strike. Yeah. So then I would say, did he have another pitch you can go to, can he land, you know, the curve for strikes or is there something he can go to that's not the forcing fastball and not the slider because that is, you know, starting to fit slider on him. Interesting. It's really interesting. And it feels like, and I'm going to get into this woods in our next segment, but it feels like the potters are really close here. And if they could get one back, Musgrove or Darva is pitching close to what they, you know, have in their careers that they could really be a force here at the end of the season in October. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, you're dominant. I mean, I know, I know sometimes the command is in there and he doesn't, he doesn't do it every single night, but he is dominant when, especially when he's on, so he could, he could, he can stop any offense in baseball in the postseason. Once you get there, you can stop any offense. King is pretty, pretty dang good when he's on too. Right. So, you know, if you say, I'm probably going to win the sea start and I'm probably going to be in the King's start. Yeah. Nice starting to feel good about any series because then you just need to win some coin flips, you know, in the other games. I mean, Darvish, you know, if he comes back and feels froggy, you know, and feels better, you know, then, then maybe it's, maybe, maybe he's the guy who couldn't do some games too. So I think they're looking really good. Love it. You know, appreciate it. Thank you for waking up early. Back to sleep. Yeah. You can go back to sleep now. Thanks, you know. All right. Our smart baseball segment brought to you by seven Marcus, you know, and if you want the Rosie outlook, this stat, Sammy tweeted it, came from the UT this morning, even blew my optimistic brain. Seven for you. When we come back here on ninety seven three, the fan trying to figure out what to eat for dinner yet again with North sides and bullion is your not so secret ingredient. You can skip the drive through and do dinner at home nor taste combos provide a menu of delicious, affordable and well balanced meals that you can prepare in 30 minutes or less. 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