I'm excited to be back out in the woods, back out, even though I'm not going to running, you know? I'm just excited to be back out in the environment and the atmosphere of it, you know? Yep. And should be, so you're going to be crewing and should be an interesting weekend and we'll get to that, we'll get to that race preview, but what we're talking about is John, he's going to be crewing for a friend Chaz, who's been on the podcast before. These are our only guests today, we'll have to have Mon after eastern states, 100 as well. 100%. It is going to be crazy, so alright, so there was some races over the weekend and we're going to go over those race results. I think I want to start with the Badger Trail races in Wisconsin, so these races are put on by Scotty Coomer from the 10 Jump Miles podcast, which is an excellent podcast. He's been at it for a long time. You know, they do a lot of episodes with just regular, regular, they call them the nation or whatever with regular folks and they introduce them to their listeners and it's pretty cool. And they also have big guests on, like Scotty Coomer knows a lot of big names in the ultra running community. I mean, he has Camille Herranon, he's good friends with her, he always offers people to stay at his house in the Chicago area and go for runs and other stuff, but it's a really good podcast. And they put on these races, the Badger Trail races, and the Badger Trail races have been going on for quite a while. I don't remember the, let's see here, I don't remember the first year that they had these races, but I can look at the results and find out, well, looks like since 2019, so about five years now. And this is a rail trail, a rail trail race, there's, let's see, they added, they have a 50-mileer, they added a 100-mileer, or they have a 100-mileer, I should say, 100-mile, 100-k, 50-mile, 50-k, so there's four different altars, Steve, and this is in the Chicago area, Belleville, Wisconsin. And Steve Burr took the overall win in the 120 hours and 31 minutes, Julie Yuxia finishing first female and fifth overall in 23 hours and 31 minutes, the 100-k Rachel Regona put down a time of nine hours and 11 minutes, that's a new female course record. And she also took the overall win by more than three hours, so, that's to Rachel. The race should talk about right now, the 100-mileer, that was just on the third, that the winning time for the men's was 20 hours and 31 minutes, that race, right? Yes. That's a rail trail? Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, so if we go to the description, it says the course runs along the Badger State Trail, continuing on to the Jane Adams Trail, the course is 99% rail trail and less than 1% asphalt. The 100-mile course starts in Orangeville, Illinois and ends in Belleville, Wisconsin. So it's an out, back and out again course. They go three times through a tunnel. The cut-off is 36 hours, by the way. Wait, what the F kind of rail trail is like? I don't know. I got to see this, like I need to see more about this course, like that's insane. Yeah, I don't have the details other than it's, let's see, it's flat or nearly flat. It's mostly groomed trail. The 100-mileer, the description is, oh, I should share this screen. The 100-mileer is, it says 2000 up, 2000 down to out and back course, smooth, flat, smooth and very, very nice. So yeah, you would think that the 100-mile race would put down a faster time than 20 hours for the win. Yeah, it's weird, right? And that's like, is it kind of funny that maybe it's just a small enough race, maybe it's just a small enough, a local enough race, that like basically dirtballs like you and I show up, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, 75 people finish the 100, yeah, first place, 20 hours and 31 minutes, second was 22, 25. Like, I don't know, maybe on a good day, even I could podium there, I don't know. Good, that is amazing. Yeah, you're right, I didn't even like, I didn't even make sense of that until you said so. I mean, like the 100k time, I mean the 100k time is like 9/11, right? The win, well, the win was 9/11. That's kind of a long, a long time too, because you see 100k times and some like more technical mountainous races, like 7, 8 hours, you know, 9 hours. What was the one, I'm trying to remember, I mean, Black Canyon, right? Like, I'm trying to remember, like, they're hammering that thing and like, they're hammering that in, right, 8 hours? I think so, yeah, it's an interesting, I don't know, I mean, I'll say, I do know this for a 100k winner to be, or I'm sorry, for a 100k guy to be 12 and a half hours. Yeah. I mean, dude, Ian, Ian, Kritzky, you and I ran mock and what, 13? Yeah. So I mean, I know we're talking about 11 extra miles here, but yeah, but there's like no climbing, a flat trail, yeah, and it's so fascinating to me that I, I kind of like the idea, like this is just like local as all get out, well, and it's just dudes like us out there hammering this out. That's right. That's exactly right. And you know, that's what the 10 Jump Miles podcast is all about, like just regular, regular people. Awesome, second thing about this race, clicking over to their website, dude, they might have the absolute dopest race to decal race designers ever, sugar badger, sugar badger and badger trail races, like both of those are dope and blooms. Yeah, I'm having. Oh, as you do, okay, I don't know, slow, slow to pull up websites, but yeah, they are dope. But yeah, no, I bet, I bet they are they, they, they embody the true spirit of, yeah, of the ultra community, I will say love it, I love it. Okay, so, yeah, so the first place male, which, who is third overall by, by the way, so that means that there was another woman in second place. Yeah. The women took first and second, which is awesome. And it was Ian Krensky in 12 hours, 31 minutes, we mentioned that in some, in the 50-mileer, Alex Hanson finished first eight hours, 26 minutes and Jennifer Hayes first female eight hours, 59 minutes. And then there was a 50k Elizabeth Herman's in four hours, 59 minutes, one for the women and Aaron fearing when the men, four hours, 21 minutes. So yeah, which, you know, four hours, 21 minutes on the, on a flat 50k, like when we get to the race that I ran on the winter was sub four and with like, you know, 5,000 feet of climbing. So, but it was a fast, fast race, but we'll talk about that. All right, let's, let's go to the Canadian death race, what a name, what a name. Hey, shout out Chris Cunningham. Chris Cunningham was on the, uh, finish that, uh, the 100 miler. We've, I feel like we've known him, usually a MOA couple of times. Yeah. He's from Toledo, the Toledo area. He read in that race. The one we just talked about. Yeah. Badger. Badger. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Chris is a cool guy. Yeah. I'm a, I definitely, you know, hung out with him and trail runner Steve Pierce, uh, several times. That's cool Chris, Chris does like a super long birthday run every year around, yeah, mommy and waterville and, uh, people join in pretty cool. Um, yeah, so Canadian death race, um, the Northern lights were on display. I mean, how cool would that be? Right? Yeah. Uh, stop to take a leak and watch the Northern lights. Have your little hallucination show. Yeah. Pick the, pick the good day to microdose. Huh? Um, that's Michael versus Steve, who like used to, I don't know if he still does microdose on streams. I think he still goes. Yeah. Microdose on streams for all truth. Um, this is, so Canadian death races and grand cash. Alberta and it's 118 K, uh, while there is 118 K, there's a couple of different distances, but for the female event, Kim Cameron held the lead the whole way, uh, 15 hours and 25 minutes and finished third overall and, uh, Katie Curry was second at 16 hours and 36 minutes. The men, Matthew Schneider was 14 hours and one minute, took the overall win and Tristan Hochstra was second and 15 hours and 20 minutes. Now this race, Canadian death race is, let's see here, it begins and ends on a 4,200 foot plateau. It has over three mountain summits, uh, and includes over 17,000 feet of elevation change, a major river crossing at the Hell's Gate Canyon, at the confluence of the Smokey and Sulphur Rivers, um, yeah, it's in the Canadian Rockies and, uh, you know, they battle heat cold out to the, uh, it's a really tough race. Um, there are western states qualifier, um, yeah, so, you know, there's like the Georgia death race and, and the states, I don't know which one, which one came first, but I, I thought that he got the idea for the name from the Canadian death race. I don't know, I don't know how long the Canadian death race has been going on, but actually, looks like it's been going on since 2001. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, this race has been in existence for quite a while and it looks pretty tough. Uh, Angeles Crest took place. This is a classic, uh, one of the original 100 mile races in America, Angeles, Angeles Crest, and this is in the LA area, it's like north of Pasadena, um, it's known to be a hot race. It's, it's a tough race. The courses went through so many changes since the original race because they've had fires, they've, you know, they've lost, uh, permits to certain land. Uh, their website explains all this. And they, their website even goes over all the iterations of the course changes for all the different years. Um, but it's usually a very competitive race and, uh, and it's known to have tough cutoffs as well. And I believe that it's a hard rock qualifier. Uh, I'm going to double check that just, uh, yeah, why you double check, why you double check that, talking about how long it's been around that race has been around since 86. So it's, it's, it's definitely around a minute. And like it's also kind of interesting because to your point earlier about how, how well detailed out the website is, even when they're talking about like, oh, this year, the race was, they have like a reroute, like, like re rerouted this year, 2022, they rerouted. And like, so they even have different times for that because, you know, they recognize that that was not the same, it looks judging by the time it was a fair amount longer. Uh, so yeah, the picture that ultra run magazine has up of it is just breathtaking. It is just an absolutely beautiful, uh, if you, you're sharing your Canadian death rates, uh, one right now. If you want to shoot, yeah, uh, it is, it is just like, it, like that, it just looks like a giant slab of granite, man. Yeah. It really does look like a very cool race. Yeah. It's in the San Gabriel mountains. Yeah. Um, yeah. It is really very scenic, uh, it's very remote as well. And I, for whatever reason, my internet is not pulling up web pages. So I can't even tell if it's a hard rock call fire. Uh, I just talked, whatever here's the, I think it's really funny about this particular race is their website is, it's outside of LA. I will say this, the website has a very LA vibe to it. It's very almost has a very bougie kind of like feel, uh, uh, uh, it is a western stage qualifier. It is a bad water qualifier, uh, and then I think that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I didn't think it was a hard rock qualifier per se. Yeah. I don't think it is either. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm just having, okay. I'm able to use my cell phone like my cell phone was connected to Wi-Fi, oops. My cell phone was connected to Wi-Fi and I turned it off and all of a sudden it's, uh, it's working just fine. Um, yeah. So I'm looking at the list on hard rocks website and it is not, it is not a hard rock qualifier. So, so you are correct, sir. Um, but anyway, it's usually really competitive. Like we said, um, first place, oh, I think there's 19,000 feet of climbing in this race. And it's like I said, it's very hot, but I do think it is a net downhill. It's known as a net downhill course from my understanding. So now you got me kind of, okay. So it starts at right wood, right? It starts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It starts at right wood. Man. Yeah. And they hit you with a cut off strap, the rip, like it is, it is like, yeah, right off the rip. Like you have starts at five a.m. You have three hours and, yeah, three hours and 15 minutes to get, to get to the nine mile mark, you know, and then it's just relentless with it, actually, it just, it does not stop. Yeah. Yeah. And it looks like there's 22,500 feet of descent. So you're looking at like 18, 19,000 feet of climb. And so it's pretty similar to Western states, really, as far as, you know, the net downhill. You've ran some of those trails out there, right? Not in that particular area, but I've ran some of the trails over, like the Malibu Hills area. What's, what's, what's the trails journey like out there? They're protected. Are they fucked out? Where are they? Like, hey, you got from my kind of climbing, you got, there's some rocky, some rocky stuff, but I mean, there's no, not, not many routes. Yeah. And some rocks. I would say mild, mildly technical, not, you know, no East Coast technical. But the, the 50 mile mark, right, you need to be at the 50 mile mark by nine p.m. And the race starts at five a.m. So what is it, 12 hours for 16 hours, 16, that's not 16, but I mean, pretty doable. Yeah. I think you got me all psyched out on the heat and the climbing of it while the heat and climbing. Yeah. For sure. I mean, it, you would, you would have, if you, if you didn't manage your day. Yeah. You would not, you would not make it. What is kind of neat is they give you a, uh, on their, on their website, where I'm looking, checkpoint, cut off and pace, like the, they give a really cool, like, hey, here's the pace you need to be going to make it to the next eight station. That's cool. Yeah. Like next eight station, like so, like you start off at the starting line, you need to do a 20 minute, 58 second mile to get, uh, point. Okay. And then, and then it's 14, 27 to the next and it's 18, 36, 1943. So dude, like, that's actually weirdly nerdy and like, it's very helpful. Yeah. Imagine if you use like hella disciplined and you're just like, all right, I am locking in. I'm going to make sure that I'm going to make myself some time and just like move 15 seconds on the mile faster every single one off the rip when I'm good. Yeah. Like that, man, that is really. That is cool. You don't see that too often. Yeah. You have to like do the calculations yourself usually. Yeah. And usually my dumbass like, oh, fuck, I'm, I'm just going. Yeah. Fuck them. Blood back. And you don't want to start doing math once you're out there. Yeah. We all know. We all know how that goes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Uh, Michael, Michael Eastburn won the 100 miler in 18 hours and 49 minutes. Uh, Clark Messman was second, 19 hours, 11 minutes. And Jeffrey Stern from ultra running magazine, um, he ran the race. He was fourth overall in 21 hours, 11 minutes. First place female was Megan Eckert, 22 hours and two minutes and second place female. Oh, man, Sarah McConan, make, make my hand, uh, 26 hours, 25 minutes. So congrats to all of them. Um, yeah. So Angela's crest and, you know, this is Angela's crest, Angela's crest is part of the, like the, there's this thing called the great race, which is on our filler material that we haven't talked about. But the great, the last great race is, is completing six of the original 100 mile races in one season. So you have like old dominion, uh, you know, Vermont, you have Angela's crest. I think Leadville, Western States, um, Wasatch, maybe, I think that does sound right. Yeah. By the way, uh, I know we've pretty well confirmed this 100%. It is a, it is a hundred percent, a net down. I, I messed around and found the, the course, I guess course overview page and, and you're basically starting way, you're starting way the F up there in elevation and it's like you, it's funny. You start way high in elevation, but you climb even higher and then you drop and then you climb way back up and then, and then you, that is at mile, mile 19. So dude, I mean, the first, the first 20 miles of this race is a fucking bloodbath. Well, after you get, after you get to mile 19, like man, the first seven, the first 18 of this is rough. But after you get to that, because you're at 9,200 feet at that point. And after you get to that, you plumb it for, for, uh, to mile 56 and that mile 56, you are all the way down at 3,200 feet. Holy shit. Dude, and then, and then you kind of do some rolling shit and then you have a, a, a, a really good climb, a big descent, a really good climb. And then you just, the ass falls out of the course and you go from 4,400 feet, uh, at mile 89, right? And then you drop all the way down to the finish line. So mile 100, 1200 feet. Whoa, that's a big drop 11 miles and like 3000 feet of drop. Yeah. Like just after your quads. Yeah. That's, this looks like, this looks like a really cool race. I bet it's just that I bet your legs are a cross shot to this thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to get out there. My mom, uh, my friend, Rahm, he's talking about doing, doing Angela's crest next year. So maybe I'll, maybe I'll get the crew out there or something. Yeah. Check it out. Um, all right, Waldo, Waldo was this weekend. This is a race. It's also one that's been going on for a really long time in Oregon, in Oak Ridge, Oregon. Um, air quality was bad this year, threatened, but they ended up, uh, getting the race off. There's five climbs with more than 11,000 feet of gain and the top seven women all came through under 13 hours, Molly Schmezzle won the, uh, the 50 mile or just over mile 50. Oh, she, okay. Molly Schmezzle overtook Brianna Grigsby just over mile 50 and one in 12 hours and four minutes. So she won the 100 kick and Grisby, uh, got ended up second, 12 hours and 13 minutes. And men's race, Casey Wyman, Wyman put a big gap on the field finished 10 hours, 18 minutes, shows 36 minutes ahead of everyone else. And Maxwell Atkins was second, 10 hours, 54 minutes, Eric Colton, third, 10 hours, 56 minutes. So it was a really close, uh, finish for second place at Waldo. Yeah. And Waldo, my friend Sean, he, he ran Waldo, um, a lot of time ago, but he said it's, it's a really cool, you know, you're, you're, you're traditional Oregon Pacific Northwest race. So definitely cool. Um, okay, skyline 50 K and then the one reason why I'm talking about skyline is because I did this race on Sunday, um, so skyline 50 K is it's in the East Bay and it's a very runnable race. Okay. This, the first, the first two miles are like kind of rolling pavement, uh, around this lake and then you hit these rolling, uh, this rolling fire road and it's, it's like rolling fire road for, for quite a while. And then you get on this, uh, this nice wide trail, uh, through some redwoods for a while. And then you climb up to the high point of the race, which is skyline gate. And you're at mile 17 at that point. And then you're on this, uh, single, the double track ish trail, uh, through a wooded area and some more, um, more redwoods is called, uh, the French trail. And once you get off the French trail after like six or seven miles, you're back on, you're back on fire roads, rolling fire roads until you get back to the lake, which then you end up on like pavement, again, for the last mile and a half or so. So it's very, very runnable. Uh, it's a nice race, really nice race. Um, it's like a, I don't know, it's like a, it's like a bar, like a barbell basically, you know, like, um, you, uh, yeah, it's, it's like a double lollipop or something. But I mean, you only repeat this one, one part and that's like the stem of the barbell. But anyway, I got, I got stung by hornets like at mile four. This is like a common theme for me in races. It, it happened to me at bare. I got stung by these, I got bit by these hornets. It happened to me in fat dog. I got bit by hornets and not having to be here and I have no idea why it didn't seem like anybody else was getting attacked. But, uh, did it leave like big marks? Did it like? Oh, yeah. Like on my, my side, it's got, I got like, I don't know, it's kind of bruised now. But yeah. So this isn't a, uh, this isn't a, uh, I got attacked by a coyote and pulled off the trail kind of thing. Like, uh, no, no, I kept going. I didn't, uh, I didn't complain to anybody. Who was that? Who was the ultra marathon man, Dean, Dean kind of this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He got. Oh, shit. He had a run in with a coyote, he'll say that. Uh, Bobby said, dude, 632, look at you. Yeah. So I was, my goal was to get sub, a sub six hour and it was looking pretty promising at the beginning, but, um, the wheels kind of fell off after I got to Skyline gate. The high point of the race, um, yeah, I don't know, I spent having some heel, some heel pain and smaller stuff, but the skyline gate, uh, does that overlook the bridge? Uh, no, it's a, it's a slight trailhead. It's a parking lot. Uh, but there are, there are areas over there. In the East Bay that you can see views of on a clear day, you can see views of, of San Francisco and the bridges and things. Um, uh, but this race was super foggy to start, right? So yeah, which was nice for the weather. Um, and it, the fog didn't clear up to like mouth 14, 15. And even after that, it was then, then you're in the woods for a while. So it was really only hot in the last, maybe like five or six miles of the race. So, uh, what, what, what are we classified as hot out there nowadays? It was not, not hot, dude, but you know how the sun, the sun out here is, it was, it was maybe in the mid seventies. Uh, yeah, it is, I, it seventies, man, when you're up there, I know, I, I, I am teasing. I'm busting ball, but it is funny how you're like, God, why it feels hot. Yeah, because the sun, there, there's no clouds here. Like in the Midwest, there's clouds, right? Like, but there's no clouds here. It's either fog or just direct sun. Yeah. Yeah. It is. But, but yeah, no, it was, it was a good race. Um, you know, they had, uh, impossible burgers afterwards and all the free beer and pop and everything else you could drink. So, uh, yeah, it was good. Um, so first place just actually burn this course down. I saw that. That is a ridiculous. Through what what's crazy is is, I mean, second place is right there with him. Yeah. I mean, like, I, I mean, the way you're describing that course to me. It sounds like you can see two minutes in front of you. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, you can. I mean, most of the time, most of the time, you can. Yeah. I mean, that is. So, uh, by the way, uh, the winning time for folks, uh, because we're sitting going on about it, winning time, three 42 14. Yeah. Three hours, 42 minutes, three hours, 42 minutes, burned it down. That is fucked up fast. And then second plate. And that was Stephen cool, by the way. And William Connor was second, three hours, 44 minutes, just like a little over two minutes later, like Johnny said. And then, uh, David Tran, who lives in San Francisco is a stropa friend of mine. I don't, I've never met him in person, but we, you know, we, we are friends on Stravo friends with a lot of very young people on Stravo. Um, and I think he actually won this race last year. I'm not mistaken, but he threw down a four hour. Even I got just ridiculous. Yeah. And the first place female was a Mando Wiganhorn and four hours and 57 minutes. Um, and, and you are correct. He did win Skyline last year. Oh, okay. Um, for what it's worth, he also took third and 22. Okay. I mean, the dude like lives on the podium there. Yeah. He's a speedster. He's a, yeah, he's fast. That's for sure. Yeah. He's definitely, he's like, uh, 2022, like he, he, like something happened. Like he kind of like found a different like 20, 21. He wasn't like, I mean, don't keep me wrong. He's a top 10 dude. Uh, but like, you know, 20, you know, in the, in the teams, he wasn't killing anything, but then also I'm 22, man. He, he freaked out like he's dominating shit. Yeah. Um, well, and you know, his time this year was actually better than his first place time from last year. Crazy. It was last year. You got four hours and three minutes. And this year he was four hours. So those other two guys just came on and scorched the earth. Uh, do we talk about the women's podium? Yeah. I, I had mentioned first place, uh, for women. Yeah. And second place. Uh, Kristen, five, 13, Kristen Galvest. Five, 13, yeah, yeah, uh, congrats to everybody there. Um, don't, don't, don't, I can't wait. I can't wait to hear me. So, yeah, next, well, actually, let me, I'm just, uh, I just want to check something out real quick here. I can maybe share if my internet's going to work, maybe share a couple of pictures from, yeah, well, this works. Um, okay. So. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think some of the pictures are up here anyways, but that's that, that lake, that lake that, you know, you're on. Yeah. Um, that's just, these are pictures. These two pictures are further from the end of the race when the fog lifted. Yeah. Yeah. Did it is so, it really is so pretty out there. Like, yeah, it's, it is funny because it's just blue or, or fog. Like there's no, there's no middle. Yeah, there's trail in the redwoods. Yeah. Um, that's a little tiny video from that. Um, why are you walking? Run that shit, yo. Yeah, I should, I, you know, like, I'm in the middle of, of 100 mile or training, right? So I just, I just did a 12 mile run on like Thursday or something. And yeah, I was just, uh, I don't know. I was, it was time to relax. Yeah. I, if I would have went into this race rested, like, uh, or like a lower mileage week, I have no doubt that I could do it in six hours. But, you know, I'm making excuses. Well, I mean, but they're, they're the right ones. I mean, you shouldn't have been trying to bring that down. I've been ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, I'm, yeah, I'm in the, the crux of my training right now, right? Yeah, after this week, I'll like a rest week and then I have two more hard weeks. And then it's tape or time. So baby. Yeah. Uh, all right. We're going to, um, we're going to do a race preview because Chaz is running Eastern States 100 to complete his triple crown, um, the Pennsylvania triple crown. And I will try one more time to get this up. And if I can, then I might need, Oh, I got it. I'm back. No, I'm back. Maybe. So I can't wait. I want to see that river crossing right there. Uh, that river crossing. It looks like it's going to be a good entertainment. All right. That guy right there. That guy right there, Jamie. Right. I hold that, hold that picture of that. That looks like an MF or a climb right there. Like that climb looks like a big boy climb. Dude. All right. There is a, there's a guy coming up with a bearded, like a braided beard. I, I'm asking is the dude that I told you to remember is he the same dude as the dude with the braided beard that's coming up in a little bit. Uh, but that's for you. Like, I feel like it might. All right. There's him. Okay. Very, very Viking looking. Yeah. Where is the guy at the braided beard? It, it, it just cycled through. Oh, did it? I totally missed him. Yeah. All right. That looks like a Sasquatch behind that woman, the way I did. It looks like a right there. Oh, well, yeah, I don't know. If it is, you've got a bag of watermelon. Dude, the first place, the first place is that is a dope ass first place metal, right? That is so bad ass. A big, bad ass. A double sided axe for first place. Yeah. That's cool as hell. Yeah, it is. Uh, so we're talking about Eastern states, 100 here, folks. Um, this is a tough race. I think there's 20, 20,000 feet of climbing. I'm not mistaken. Yeah, that sounds and it's on very technical Pennsylvania trails. Um, I believe it's typically in the deep forest. It's typically very humid. It's typically very muddy and it's typically, uh, there is river crossings. Lots of river crossings. So with the race coming up this weekend, not only is it muddy on a dry year, they're going to get remnants from Hurricane Debbie, uh, on Friday. The race starts Saturday morning and they're going to get rain all night, Friday night. So like a couple inches. Yeah, it is, it is crazy. And so for the folks, you know, on the West Coast or, you know, that, that may not be kind of following Hurricane Debbie, it is, it is slow moving, like generally speaking, right? Hurricane, you're, you're watching a couple of different things for them. But this particular one, it's, it's not, it doesn't have super crazy high winds. Uh, especially now it's died down. They are to just a big, huge range. But it is like every person I've talked to says it is just like, it is just hours of rain, of relentless rain. So that, that course is going to be, it's just going to be insane. Like it is, they have their work cut out from this year out there for sure. Yep. Looks like there's 15A stations. Um, and this is kind of cool. It gives the, uh, yeah, it gives the overall pace, um, that you need to be at to make the, the cutoffs and, um, yeah. So 21 hours, 55 minutes pace at mile 17.8. Um, yeah, 21, 21, uh, minutes and 52nd pace at the 50K mark. So yeah, so you can, you can be at almost a 21 minute pace overall and finish the race within the cutoff, um, but, you know, like we said, that's, uh, not an easy task. No, right. What is overall is that 30, let's see, 530 AM start, 530 PM finished. So 36 hours. Yeah, 36 hours. So it's going to be muddy. It's going to be technical. Um, it's doable. If you, like I said, you have to manage this race. And that's what I told Chaz. I'm like, bring lots of socks and maybe an extra pair of shoes or two, you know, and bring towels, right? That's the thing. You're going to want to clean the, keep the feet clean. Uh, you know, they're going to get muddy right away, but, um, but if you can at least clean them, get some dry socks on, get that grit out of there, right? Yeah. Like you're talking about getting, like get that like that, like that. Just like grit that gets in there with the mud and I get, um, Yeah, it would almost be worth taping, taping the feet up really, but. I, I think I've only worn, uh, and I think of all the race that done. I've only worn, um, Gators one time. Uh, and, and if I'm not mistaken, I actually think that it was, I don't think it's a requirement, but it was like the race director was like, I highly encourage you. If you don't, your feet will get absolutely annihilated. Yeah. Yeah. She was like, Hey, listen, yeah, she was like, I kind of remember on a packing list or something. I guess like, you know, it's your feet. Did you want, but if you don't do it, your feet are going to, you take your good luck. Uh, but anyways, I could see this race possibly being a good one to wear Gators just to try to keep that much, at least a little bit from sliding down inside the shoes a little bit. You know, I mean, getting around the top. That's some very good. That's a very good point. Yeah. And I don't love Gators because as weird as it sounds, they are hot as fuck. Like they will, they will, they will. Your feet, your feet will sweat. Yeah. It's not, it's, it's weird. Like you wouldn't think a silly little piece of cloth, like, was that hot? But it is kind of weird how hot they do. Now after, after why you can't forget about it, but I mean, well, and also when your feet, when you do go through a river or something, and I can't, I can't imagine that they're very good for your, for your feet drying out either. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's one of those things where, so yeah, definitely risk in the real world. With, like I said, I've only worn one time that it's all a Tahoe. God knows the net rain out there. Uh, well, yeah, it did actually that. Like I clap thunderstorm hit me, but, uh, the, I, I think the big thing for this race, uh, cause to your point, it has a, it has a pretty good amount of climb. I wish, I wish I knew the exact amount of climb. But I'm thinking this around 20, 20,000. Yeah. Let's see, but I, I think the big thing for this race that a runner needs to have or be is a, you need to be just strong, right? Like you need to be like your core needs to be strong. You need to have good, strong let, like you just have to be a strong runner. You can't just be one of those guys that's like wicked fast. Like you have to be strong and like, and a good climber. Now, luckily Chaz is, he always has been a really good climber. Chaz has been a good climber. Yeah. And then, yeah. And then the second thing that Chaz has going for him in this race is he swallowed some pride because we always make fun of it, but he's swallowed some pride, got a coach. And that coach got his little ass in the gym. And he's been lifting, he's been doing some weight training. So he's, he's physically stronger than he's probably ever been. I mean, you know what I mean? I can, and running, he's been in, in, in for any race. So I, just like that core strength that he's going to need that stability in the mud and all those long climbs. So I think, I think he's in great shape. I think he, I think he could do really, really well on this race. Yeah. Plus he's become very proficient with using poles, which he has, he has broke down and started using poles, which is going to be very helpful with stabilizer. And muscles in the, in the mud too. Yeah. Uh, he, uh, did you know that he, he, especially, he, um, when he was choosing what poles, do you know why he chose the poles he chose? Wait. No, because they're red and yellow, and he wants to make sure everybody knows he's a firefighter. Oh, okay. No, that's not it. But I can't wait for Ronnie or Pete or somebody to hear that. Like, you know, just, you know, they're like, I don't know. But yeah, cause he wears, he wears, he uses those, uh, lockies, low keys, whatever. Fucking bright ass red in the yellow. So like, did you see, did you see the shirt that Chaz bought, uh, Ronnie when he was out here? Yes, so Ron's the crew chief and Chaz bought him the shirt. This is a show supervisor. Yeah. Yeah. All right. The website here says it's 103 mile single loop, um, and it accumulates over 20,000 feet of climbing. So yeah, I'm guessing it's a little over 20,000 feet. Yeah. Saturday race start 5 a.m. Although the other chart said 530, I thought. I don't see anything. 530. Oh, okay. Yeah, five, five to five. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Uh, oh, the aid station opens at 530. Aid station one opens up 530. Yeah. I'm a day, uh, start little plane. Yeah. Uh, and I was looking at the weather. Let me throw that open again real fast and just see what we got going on. What we got, crack a racket. What's, what's the, what's the closest city to put in for weather? So I went ahead and put in Lockhaven PA. Uh, and I feel like, I feel like Lockhaven's relatively close. Uh, and if you're a East Coast nerd or lacrosse nerd, you kind of know Lockhaven, too. Like Lockhaven. Uh, so. So we're looking at the flood watch, uh, the scene. Now, but hey, I, I'm, so I'm on, I'm on weather underground and like, listen, I'm not trying, I'm not trying to jinx anything, but I just scrolled down and I'm loving what I just saw. Okay. I'm showing Friday day periods of rain. Yep. Rain may be heavy late. Uh, three to five inches of rain expected, localized flooding is possible. So, but here's the good thing. Like, uh, I'm looking on, I'm looking on like the, the, the way weather underground looks, right? Like I can see the day and like, now don't get me wrong, fucking Friday, it's going to fucking rain. Like it's three and a half inches of rain on Friday. Wow. But at like, it stops. You know, Friday, it begins to really fade off. Uh, and so by, you know, by evening, it's down to like, it's down to where it's like just kind of misty and kind of still raining. But by daybreak Saturday, it's, it's kind of gone. Yeah. So looks like he's going to have some, I mean, it's going to be muddy. The river crossings are going to be high. Dude. But the good news is the high temperature on Saturday is 77. Yeah. And the humidity is only 64% because all that, because that storm took all that humidity with it, there'll be a low pressure. And Saturday night is going to be 58 with 76% humidity. So it comes up a little bit, but that's not bad, man. It's not bad. So my two immediate concerns now with that, right? Chaz is a short little fella. That water is running too strong. You'll sweep his little short out. So I'm sure they'll have you'll have ropes. We saw that one picture where they were hooked up with a carabiner. We were for sure had to put little chaz on a carabiner like that. Like he'll be right down the river. The other thing is, is he is lean. You saw him out in San Francisco. He's leaned out a lot. And so when you've sway, we all know this, if you listen to this podcast, you know this. You sweat it all day long. 50 degrees is going hit him. His little ass will be shivering. He will be shivering. So we'll just have to stay in front of that and make sure we keep calories in him and a long sleeve shirt that he can ditch at some point. He ain't a big Harry fat ass like me. That's like 50 degrees. No shirt, you know. You're always like even in high 20s, you're wearing shorts. But no, the actual temperatures in the humidity is not bad. So that's the good news, right? Yeah. The bad news is three to five inches of rain on Friday. And you're right, it does clear up early. The rain showers early Friday night, but clears up later at night. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I guess there's some positives to take away from that. Three to five inches of range. A lot of rain though. That is insane amounts of rain, dude. Yeah. So we'll see what the conditions of the trails are. You know, I don't know. Like, you know, the good thing is on the climbs and stuff like that, well, it could be muddy, but it's not going to be like, well, I don't even know. I'm not even going to jinx it. So what? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Anything else we want to say about this race? I don't think so. Oh, listen, if you're listening this and you somehow come to find out that I'm there, I am there. You know, look for me out there, you know what I mean? Like, you know, try to find me if you're at Eastern States, you know, walk on up, say hi, you know, I will, I will have stickers with me. Yeah, let's say take a few stickers out there, especially since my asshole self can't mail you out to the other stickers. So, yeah, I'll have stickers. I'll be out there. Come up, say hi. I plan on maybe trying to go live once or twice out there. I'm going to put some pictures. So I'm going to try to get some, get some social media work in while I'm out there. So yeah, look for me. That's cool. Good deal, man. Yeah, so should be exciting. I'm excited for Chaz. He's put in a lot of work for this race. So I'm ready to do a full deep dive next week. Yeah, you know, what to see if he wants to come on the podcast next week. Oh, he loves coming on. He'll be ready. Yeah, boy, that climb right there. It's good. That climb right there after three and a half hour, three and a half inches of rain. They'll be holding on the trees. I had to put a rope ladder in a rope ladder with some knots in it. Yeah, that little babbling brook right there, three and a half inch of rain. That's going to be look like the fucking on tangy river. So I can't wait, man. I'm here. Yeah, for sure, man, for sure. All right. Let's talk about these FKTs. Like there's all kinds that are getting like high profile FKTs, right? I'm not talking about the barn, the trail around the barn around the pond or anything like that. I'm talking about Colorado trail. I'm talking about Appalachian trail. Yeah, yeah. So we can start with Tara Dower who is going for the FKT and she is going north. I found out she's going north bound to south. That's so awesome. I am over the moon Optimate. I cannot wait for them to go. Oh, no, no, no. Mike's going north to south too. Oh, wait. In my head, I heard you say she's going south to north. No, they're both going north to south like that. But they might be starting. They were going to be close to starting at the same day, but oh, I thought he started already. I thought he may have and we're going to get into that. And Tara, so she, I don't know what day she was going to start, but this is her her social media for the FKT attempt is on Instagram is chump change FKT. And the last post was them at Cracker Barrel slowly making their way up north to Maine. And that was two days ago. So I'm wondering if she started or if she's about to start, but there's a link to the website, tarottrex.com. And when you go to that website, there's tracking. But when you click on tracking, it's said that this is protected. Thanks for your interest in the FKT. If you'd like to access, please contact the Instagram account at chumpchangefkt or and then there was like two phone numbers. I just sent a DM to the chump change FKT Instagram page asking for the password so we can follow along. But that's the latest update we have for Tara that I know of. So I love a chump change. Right. Yeah, that is cool. And Tara is a warrior, right? She like, you know, she, she can do it. So yeah, I'm very excited to follow along and see, see what happens with that. And, and Mike Wardin, we talked about it on the last episode. Mike Wardin is doing it for charity. And he, I found out the reason why he's not going for the FKT. It's because he still has to work. God, we taste. You know, he's a, he's an importer, like, like for ships, yeah, international ships, freight coming in. And he, I think he's a partner in his own, in his business. So he's gonna still do that at in like 50 days as his goal. But he does have to do some work here and there. So yeah, and he, let's see, he did start actually. Yeah, yeah. So I saw that. Yeah, I saw this post about four days ago. I, so in case people have not noticed or cannot tell, I am definitely the nerdier one on the social medias, like geeking out watching shit. Jamie is, Jamie is by far the smarter one that reading the, reading the news, taking stuff in like actual like race stuff. But yeah, so that we, we have like, just like seamlessly like split into our little, but yeah, he's, he's out on it. He's, I mean, shit, this is four days ago. And he was already, you know, pretty well into the run. So he, he's probably making really good time at this point. Yeah, so his latest post says last few days in Maine, starting day after a long day yesterday, getting later to start as need to sleep and warm up after getting caught in a chilly rainstorm. I will do a proper post ASAP, but so appreciate all the support. Man, that was a butt kicky. Yeah, he's in Maine getting, getting click on his little arrows right there. Yeah. And you can see the one story that like one more, I think, I think it's the third tile. There it is. Oh, man. Yeah. Well, that's like classic East Northeast stuff, man. It's yeah. It's cold in those mountains in the summertime even. Dude, it's very technical. Yeah, that will look next. The next tile was so cool. Oh, look at that view. So he's like going down this rock slabs and there's this view of this lake and mountains in the background. I mean, it's stunning. Dude, I, the timing of some of the stuff you say, all right, hit the next tile. Maybe next one. Yeah, there you go. Speaking of all these roots, I do not that that looks miserable to me. What in the. He's just he's just laughing about it. Like what are you going to do, man? He's just laughing. So so yeah, he's uh he's well into his well, it is a couple of days into his race and looks like Tara Dower liked this one day ago. So maybe she's either starting today or tomorrow. I don't know. But we'll we'll have a better update come come next week on that. Okay, so this in Mike Ordion does have a you know, he's raised money for charity. He's raised five thousand six hundred eighty three dollars on a goal of two hundred ninety four thousand. So I will put the link to this in in the in the show notes. And he's raising money for world divisions work in Ethiopia. And it's about saving lives in a community named Orom or Amia. And it will fund a deep underground water well that is pumped to a water reservoir at higher elevations to the community. Water will be piped from the reservoir to a school and multiple water points in the community. Construction is ready to begin and they hope to have it completed by the end of the year. There are four thousand one hundred forty six people living there, providing clean, sustainable drinking water to all of them if they can hit their goal. So um very cool. Yep, so I will share out this link in the show notes. And if if any of our listeners are so inclined, it's it's a good cause. And it's it's a great guy that's that's doing this. So if it's something that Mike Ordion believes in, it's it's legit. I will say yeah. Um and also I just found out this like Monday, I think, is that yesterday, Tuesday, string bean, Joe McConaughey started an FKT attempt on the John Muir trail. So he is currently out on the John Muir trail, which the John Muir trail goes through the Sierra's. Um it's two hundred and two hundred some miles. I can't remember exactly. Uh looks like here he is. I don't know where he is. He's on the trail. Did he start? I don't know if he I don't know if he started yet. Oh yeah no. The tracker is not showing that he started. So unless he started up here. But it ends in Yosemite anyway, the John Muir trail. Now it looks like he hasn't started yet I think. I don't know we'll we'll get more information on that. Um let me let me just check and see let me see if he. Yosemite. That's how long John Muir is two hundred seven miles. Just trying to think what he what he's probably looking at finishing that in there. What the hell just type in type in string bean on on the Twitter search and uh better be careful what you type in on there. Joe. I don't know. Yeah I know kitten. Twitter is like a wild west right now. It's an interesting for sure. Yeah. Here we go. Joe. A string bean with Connie. Yeah I kind of don't think he started. Yeah I don't think so either. I also can't really tell what way he's going. You know what I mean? Well it looks like he's going north to south actually. That's 22. Like he's done this before actually. So so yeah I don't think he started. So we'll have more on that in the next episode. Yeah. And then finally and he hasn't this guy hasn't started either but we learned that Bronco Billy is going to do an FKT attempt on the Colorado Trail which was just set by Kyle Curtin. We went over that in one of our recent episodes. Yeah he and Kyle Curtin are miserable when he was done with it. That's right. It's 490 miles. I think Bronco Billy helped him on that too actually. You might be right. I think he did or at least many mouth there. I feel like there was a picture of Bronco Billy out on the course. So Bronco Billy might be like that was kind of fun. I think I'll go do it now. You might be right and he's also doing it for charity for the Warrior Trail Foundation. So that's pretty cool. So he says he's covering the entire 490 mile Colorado Trail in one push. It's a long dream held long held dream after finishing Moab 240 and COVID-ona 250 takes he's ready to take on the project having experienced coaching military veterans and knowing the benefits of trail and ultra running his therapy. He jumped at the chance to partner with Warrior Trail Foundation to coach veterans as well as use the FKT project to raise money and awareness for the foundation. So it's a cool project. I know he's out training right now. I've noticed that on social media he's getting ready. I don't know his exact start date but more to come on that. So yeah so looks like you have some fun FKT attempts to follow here coming up. Oh dude weird thing. I just went back to our Instagram feed and sure enough there is the string bean on your trail. Okay I kind of don't think he started yet just looking at this. It's a post talking about getting ready for it. Okay yeah running he says running 250 miles is pretty ridiculous but saw a lot of things in life. Oh wait that's that's coca-dona 250. This is two days ago he posted what I'm looking at. Some of these guys have so many. Some of these guys have so many different accounts to our kind of notice. Do you know what I mean? Yeah yeah I hear you. Yeah okay all right well I think that brings us to about the end of everything we wanted to present today. Do you have anything else Johnny? I don't. Like I said Keith and I are out for me if you're up at eastern states. Look for me. I'll have some have some stickers out and Ray give out. I'm taking some photos and videos so hope you see me you come up and say hi. Yeah man uh bring Chas home man make him uh make him uh keep moving don't don't uh don't listen to any of his excuses. None of his wine. None of his wine bullshit but I mean dude like he he's in for a rough night of no bucks being given that's between me Ronnie and Pete yeah yeah. The only person even a remotely like a remotely human heart is Dave Wells will be out there with us. Like he might be the only one so it should be a really good time. Yeah just make sure he takes care of his feet. I think that's going to be the big thing with all the mud and everything. Yeah yeah but but he knows what to do. He's uh he's been through this before and yeah he knows he needs to stay on nutrition and um and keep moving forward. Yeah we'll get in there. We'll get in there. Yeah I'm excited to follow along uh hopefully uh hopefully you have cell service because I'm going to be texting you non-stop. I'll show you I will get it for you. We'll keep the touch. All right well thanks for listening everyone and oh by the way uh shout out to John Flores. Thanks for plugging our podcast on the the old running beer and BS. From beer BS yeah. Johnny podcast that Johnny used to be on um that was a lot of fun. Uh and uh and the guy that he did the podcast with John Flores gave us a shout out and within that Strava group. Yeah that's very cool. And and what he said was that we we not only have this podcast but we also have a Strava group. So if you're on Strava uh look up Ultra Honey News Network on our Strava group and uh and you can join that if if you want. Yep. Okay all right everyone. All right let's go in next week. All right have a good one. All right see us. [Music] Oh shakalu.
