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#TBR232 Politics begins at home

As the results of the Election are announced, we look at whether we should be voting for the party you support nationally or choosing someone to represent you and what's important to you locally. We take a brief look at Alsager and the candidates that you could have voted for. Do leaders debates influence the way people vote? Then we have a good ol' bicker about whether the Tory party are a bunch of self-serving liars, only out to line their pockets and the pockets of their rich benefactors or whether it's a belligerent media that portrays them that way. Yes we disagree and fundamentally despise each other's beliefs but ultimately we're still friends. Politics definitely angries up the blood! Go grab yourself a cold one, kick back and enjoy the 💩 show. The opening music is "London Bayou" by Oscar Albis Rodriguez and the closing music is "BDS" by Lewis Pickford. tallboyradio.com

Duration:: 1h 11m
Broadcast on:: 05 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

[Music] Welcome back to episode 232 of the Tallboy Radio podcast. And as we always say, who knows where it goes when the beer flows? Well, we'll find out shortly. There's no guests tonight, but there is two hosts in theory. One of them will be joining us soon. He's just running a little bit late. God bless you. So while we wait for him, we will just say hello to country number 64. Oh man, it's a big one. Oh man, dude, where in the world's that? I know where Roman is, I think. It's sort of our UAE way, isn't it? Over there somewhere, probably Dale on his travels again at some point no doubt. Dale, if it is you, thank you very much. If it isn't you, thank you, wherever it is. Yeah, thank you very much for joining us. Absolutely. Speaking of joining us here. He's here, the lad is. He's woken up for his weekly slumber in his back. Yeah, yeah. We'll open a hangover from watching England yesterday. How are we doing, Dave? I'm all right. Thank you. Sorry. I'm momentarily late there. I do apologize. That's OK. Don't do it again. Bottom of the glass. Sort yourself out. Could do better. A bit like England really, but there we go. Less said about that, the better. Well, this episode goes out on about 10 days times. Who knows? England may very well have won a trophy by then, probably not. Wouldn't spoon. Oh, yeah, probably. Well, you never know. We're not going to talk about the audience because we've been there done that. So I think we should talk about something completely different. Indeed. So also, something else that will have happened by the time this episode goes out is there will have been a general election. The results will have been announced. So what we're going to be doing is we're going to be having a little look at really voting tactics. And we're going to be having a little look at what or how we should be considering to vote in the Congleton constituency, which is where we are based. So we live in all Sager. You know, for the folks out there in the world, well, listen to us. We now know in 64 different countries. Tell the folks a little bit about all Sager. So if you don't, if you don't know areas, I always say to people and they say, Oh, where do you live? But where is it near? You can't help what sort of say it's near some back services on the M six because that's what everybody pretty much says. But now I always think if you just sort of draw a triangle pretty much between like boom and go Manchester and Liverpool, we're sort of in the middle. So we're about 45 minutes away from Liverpool, 50 minutes, maybe, we're about 45 minutes from Manchester, 45 minutes from Birmingham. So in the Midlands, and we saw clusters. Wow, these ads say sort of almost Northwest, but maybe West Midlands, maybe, and we're right on the Sager, Staffordshire border. And we're one of those really weird places that actually we are in Cheshire, but we have a stoke postcode. So we have an ST postcode, even though actually we are within the Cheshire boundary. So we are Cheshire East as a council, but actually we have a stoke postcode, which is a Staffordshire postcode, which is a bit weird. But yeah, look, I'll say just say, I don't know, I mean, I'm not a massive sort of history buff as such, but I always suspect that it sort of grew with sort of the Radway Green and the building of the ordinance factory that's there, and they built a couple of estates, and then schools came along, and it sort of grew. And then I suppose because we've got really, really good transport links, we've got the motoring network is amazing. Literally the M6, which has spanned the country was right off the, you know, it's literally like two minutes away from, from all stages sort of thing. People felt as though it's quite good sort of transport links. If you're into trains, Korea is 10, 50 minutes away. And that's like, obviously the Mecca for train spotters and sort of thing in the middle of the country. So we've got quite a good transport link for Manchester Airport. It's only 45 minutes away. So I think it's kind of a decent place to settle. You know, we've got a couple of about line villages that seem to be growing and therefore, you know, new estates and also age are growing in so very successful school. It's been, you know, numerous times sort of outstanding. It's now, I think it's just been good now. I think in its last inspection, I might be wrong there. I apologize if that is the case, but I think it's good. So no, look, it's a lovely place. It's a lovely place to live. I'm quite an affluent place. I would suspect you don't really see it when you're living it, but I suspect it is quite affluent. I think people that don't live in all stages will always sort of say, oh, that's quite a rich area. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say rich, but, you know, I don't think it's the poorest area around. No, no, no. So yeah, it's been around as well. So it's 10, 89 for fans of history. And in the last census, there's just under 14,000 people that lived here. I was about four years ago. I suspect it's grown somewhat since then. Dave, you got anything to add to that, pal? It was 10, 86, actually, when the doomsday book, there you go, oh, yeah, tell me. I'll give you that, yeah. Yeah. But now, I mean, I'm actually from Church Lawton, which is just next to all stage. So, but, you know, for intents and purposes, that's something this end of Church Lawton, it's the same village, really. Now, let's go. Do you still call it village or you call it town? We always call it the village. Yeah, we do. That's what we do. Because literally, growing up, like, what do you do? I'll go down the village or go down the bill, go down the bill, go down the bill. What's the bill? Yeah, the village. Actually, it's now more than the village and it is a town, but you never say I'm going down the town. Where are you going to go? I'm going down the village. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, technically, it's a town, although there's not a great deal here to qualify that. And for the last, I don't know how many years we have had a conservative empty representing this in court. In court, that was a pro-ED. I'll slip it down. I'll slip it down, pro-ED and slip, in parliament, yeah. With all the betting going on recently, you ever know? Yeah, let's touch on that. What do we make about that? It's funny enough, when we chat, it's a biggie. We mentioned then, you know, and this is before some of the betting scandals came out. But actually, you got pretty good odds before, and of an election being in July. So it's a bit shifty in it. It's a bit shifty. It's also a bit shifty when you get politicians betting on themselves to lose. I mean, I mean, that's a bit broken in. Hey, hi, guys. Don't vote for me. Vote for the other guy. You know what I mean? It's a bit like, yeah, and look, I suppose the analogy, you know, with these sports people that bet on themselves, maybe to win a game or whatever, I sort of understand that. And I'm not saying that. Is there something wrong with it? Yeah, probably. But there's less wrong with that than actually betting against yourself. To bet against yourself in an election is pretty creepy, and it's pretty dodgy. It is, but what about the people with what we're looking at? I mean, to be fair, that outcome isn't known. The guys who are. I reckon I could have a guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously, not confident. But, you know, what is known was the date of the election when in all that, when these people are placing bets. So that's, that's pretty immoral as you know. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is. My view on the whole thing is, it's, it's, it's, you know, I get the seriousness of it, and if people have insider information and they're gambling, whether it's on the election or football or sport or anything, it's against the law. So it's, it's an offense. It's quite simple, isn't it? If you go into information, you bet it's wrong. But that aside, because it happens to be politics, it does get blown up to ridiculous proportions. And the media, as is the media, they, they, they smile blood. And they think how many careers can we react? How many people's lives can we destroy? Because on the whole, I reckon most of these people probably just either had had a bet. One, one guy's come up. So he had a bet months ago, and it'd be in July. And I was right. So what kind of thing? And there's some that will have had the information and must have known it was wrong to put the bet on it. That's bang out of all the base should be gone. And then there's others that have just heard that somebody else is betting on it and thinking that he may have known and may have not. It's just bad judgment. But does it, does it need to have the whole careers wrecked? Because they heard that Bob over there put that on and they think he's right. So they've done it as well. And they've won 50 quid. It's just way out of proportion for me. I think, I think you're probably right, Dave. I think, as you said, I think the guy that has the inside a trade in the inside of knowledge, yeah, he needs to go. He's, he's been polled in confidence. And then, and I'm not saying this has happened, by the way, and I don't want anybody to come and sue me. I'm just purely conjecture on what you've heard and read, et cetera, et cetera. But, you know, if he has got insider information, he's been told the fact of all in confidence, and he's gone then to place a bet, then yeah, bang out line, you know, borrowing from the, from the parties, don't allow him to run again, et cetera, et cetera. I think the other fringe people, I don't know, do they have insider knowledge? No. Do, as you said, Dave, do they just surmise that the guy that has put the bet on, has insider knowledge, maybe, but they don't actually know that. So, are they just taking a punch, which actually ultimately is what gambling is all about. Anyway, so I was just gambling on the fact that he knows what he doesn't know. And I don't know the answer to that. It just doesn't sit well with me that if it's somebody within a political party that new to date, or has some information that the date could be either that one or that one, as they've gone out in place about that doesn't quite sit right with me, if I'm honest. So, here's a question. I'm not going to answer this one for purposes, potentially affecting my employment. What were your thoughts on actually should bookmakers be taking bets on people who are on elections and that sort of thing? Just, you know, is that a bit wrong in itself, do you think? Without sounding or trying to offend anybody's employer or any bookmakers out there, I think they're out to make a quick book. And I think any book in market that they can create a betting market on, they probably will. And I think if they could create a betting market on continually winks it in the local hall on a Friday night or dominoes on a Saturday night with some five oxygen areas or whatever, then I think they probably would. But I suspect nothing is off the menu. Is it everything is fair game? And you can bet on anything these days. So, no, I don't think they're wrong in creating a market. I think they would have to go through their due diligence to ensure that any bets placed were placed according to rules of fairness and all this, that and the other. So, no, I don't blame the bookies at all, if I'm honest, that they just provide an opportunity. And if people want to take that up, let's say a bit. I take a different view. I think, I think the bookmakers generally are, they're not great. There's a difference between betting on a football match, betting on a horse race, betting on a sporting event that's got a defined outcome there and then. And you're betting because you're enjoying that activity and you get that extra bit of fun that I might win 20 quid if that result comes my way, whatever, whether it be a score or a result. But I think it just starts to get ridiculous when you can bet on, you could place a bet on when the election is going to be in five years time. I could probably go to a bookmaker and say, I'm going to say, it's going to be May 2029, what may odds? And they'll take a bet. And they'll just take your money and it's just ridiculous. Why do it? It's just pointless and it's just creating more of a culture of gambling and it's just making gambling and betting more normalized, more part of everyday life and the wider they can spread it, the more it affects more people, the more money they make and the more lives are made miserable. Well, yeah, I sort of agree with you there, but until until it's, what's the one looking for, made illegal or until to such an extent where bookmakers can't exist, why would they not offer that? And if you want to put that bet on then, why would you not be able to do that? It's like these people, too. And I say, you know, I'm going to put 20 quid on my lad who's six months old to play for England before he's the age of 21 or whatever. And it's like, really, it's like, well, you know, if you want that, and it was like, it's like a thousand to one or something. I can't remember what it says. There's like a gen, there's like a standard figure. It's like a thousand to one or two thousand to one or something. Like every dad that puts a bet on his lad to play for England is like a thousand to one. That's it sort of thing. But why not? You have the opportunity to and look, we can go down the rabbit hole of bookies and betting and bet responsibly, which, you know, the odd fellows spoke about when we did the odd fellows, you know, series of podcasts. And we spoke about gambling responsibly and all this, that and the other. And you know, the bookmakers are, or whether you think it's just lip service, they are putting things out there just to say gambling responsibly, but it's not illegal to bet. So therefore, why if you want to bet, would you not be allowed to? Moving on. Let's have a look. Should we have a look at, I can. Now, bear in mind, as we're discussing this, when this goes out on the audio version, the live version of the video version is going to be out as of tomorrow to watch as well. You know, this result, you know, will be known for the audio, but not for the other show. I presume you've got it up on your screen. Now, I'm going to ask you not to look too, too close, let it. Do you know who is the conservative candidate in this election? I don't have it, actually. I've got the football, I'm doing a gas. It's Fiona Bruce, I believe. It is Fiona Bruce. I'm assuming you knew that one. I knew it's Fiona Bruce. Yeah. So Fiona Bruce, you know, we'll steer it away from betting. What are the odds then? What are the odds on Fiona Bruce for taking? If I was a betting man, look, I think I actually think she's got relatively good odds locally. I don't know. I mean, I'll say just has a bit of a history of, I would say, Lib Dem Stroke story. I don't suspect it's got a massive labor history. I might be wrong, but that's just my perception. I think her odds are quite good, I would suspect. Dave, do you think she's likely to retain a seat? I would imagine so. I mean, I don't know if you've got odds there. I don't know if you're asking for a specific odds, what was it in there? No, I have got specific odds, but you know, two to one. No, slightly better than that. So she's five to four to retain a seat. So nearly even money. Nearly even money, yeah. So just suppose then that she's the favourite to win. She's got a bit of those, aren't she? No, no, I don't suspect she is. I don't suspect you. She isn't the favourite. I suspect she might be the second favourite after toilet paper, toilet paper, yeah, the labor party to realize, actually, this is the second conservative... The other one got ripped up. It's only because it's come tonight. You're talking about it. I probably should keep it, yeah. So yeah, who's the labor candidate them for us? You know, we love a good quiz. Do you know who it is? I've read them all, though, comes from the door, including the independence, and I have read them all, but I can't remember. No, I'm a no. So it's Sarah Russell. Again, I don't know too much about her either, but yeah, we weren't focused too much, but yeah, she's 8 to 13, dude. She's all done. Yeah, so that's she's where the sensible money will be theoretically. But you guys, you guys seem... Are you convinced that Tories are going to win? I'm not. I'm not. And the only reason I say that I think Fiona Bruce might get in is from what I've said really, I think, you know, your local elections also has had a history of the Lib Dem, and they've had a history of Tories. So I think locally, if you were voting just locally, and we'll perhaps get into this in a minute, which is what we said off a minute and what it had in terms of, you know, do you vote locally for who you believe is the right candidate for you locally? Or do you vote nationally, because it doesn't really matter either. You could, I don't, the monster even leaning party could do an amazing job on all stage, but you'd never really vote for them, because it doesn't mean for all, because you won't get in nationally, and therefore they don't really have to remit to make change. So it's how you vote in terms of is it locally or regionally or nationally. I think just historically, all stage has never really been a labor seat. So I wonder... Hi, by the way, I wonder whether or not... I don't... I just don't see all stage have been under a labor. I don't. Dave, do you see that happening? I think everything's a bit up in the air, isn't it? I think I'm probably with Gaza. I think when the push comes to the shove, there'll be enough to keep Fiona in, in our ward. They're not our not ward, that's local councils, consistency. But yeah, I think beyond that, it's a different picture, but I think locally, I think will be all right. We'll be safe, folks. There you go, Fiona, if you're listed, they say stick 200 quid on it. And I'll also leave from the boo brothers. Yeah, so Liberal Democrats, guys, that's that's who you've said that you thought potentially have a chance. So this fella... Where's his name, Paul Duffy, 20 to one? Yeah, outside plenty of, and I'll say three horse race, 20 to one winners, I've come in. I don't suspect... Oh, no, sorry, he's 100 to one. He's 100 to one. Yeah, Miss Reddy, yeah, Miss Reddy. This fella's 20 to one. The reform party. Well, Martin York, I don't know Martin York, and I'm not going to speak, I'm not going to say something terrible, but I don't know, but I do know my feelings on the reform party. I mean, I think these could be a big challenge, Dave, to the Conservative party. I think this is what's going to damage your vote more than the Labour party. If some of the Tory voters vote for these, guys, that's where it could leave it open for Labour and some constituencies. That's my concern, and I suspect that could also potentially be the case, because we're not talking about just all sides, we're talking about the whole area of Hove's Chapel. Yeah, yeah, and again, it goes back to that, you know, Mr Farage will say various things, and it's one of those, isn't it, is that do I think nationally the reform party will get enough votes? No. Do I think nationally the reform party will have enough votes to influence the results of the vote, yes, potentially, and again, and that goes, and it's that, is it catch 22, whatever it may be, into a do you vote locally, or do you vote for the party nationally, because they're likely to then get into government, and that's the crooks that I suppose. Yeah, and we're talking about voting for Nigel Farage, as opposed to what I'm saying. Yeah, and that's, and that's what, you know, once we go on to our local candidates, that's that's the question we'll get to. David? I was just about to say that, you know, you said, is it a question of taking virtue of a conservative, and it's right, it will, and it's when you go, if you go back to the, the by-elections over the last sort of 12 to 18 months, and the headline was always massive swings to Labour, but actually, if you looked at the data, Labour, you know, often got your 1,000, 2,000 votes less than they did at the general election. It's just that conservative voters didn't come out, so it's not that the country is moving to Labour, it's that they're moving away from conservative, and the problem is, when you're first passed the post-system, they can completely mackerel. Yeah, I think that's a pretty spot on analogy, actually. I don't think I'd really convinced the case to arm, it's going to be the man to save the country, or the Labour Party going to make some significant difference. I think there's just people just sick to death of the Tories. And finally, there are a couple of the candidates, so I'll touch on the book, but the last one that I have a leaflet from is Rob Morton, God bless him, Rob Morton is an independent candidate, and do you know why I say God bless him? Because I've all the candidates are the candidates, is the only one decent enough to follow us on Instagram, did you know that? I didn't know that, but fair play to him, and you have my vote. You've won us over, Rob, well done. But again, you read his leaflet, and you know, he's talking about local issues. This is going to be about your point of view, your question. He's talking about local issues, the things that he's championed before, and the two-engine difference he's made locally, and that's what he's standing for. Well, I agree with you, David, and I suppose therein lies the issue is, yeah, he might be championing our local issues, but actually how much influence can he have as the party, as an independent, how much influence, how much change can he actually affect? And I suppose that's the crux of the question that I'm asking really, and as I say, look, don't get me wrong. I think, you know, if an independent stood and old-sager became independent and God bless him, he got into post. If I genuinely felt as though he could genuinely make a difference to my life in and around old-sager and in and around our local community, you would possibly think that you might vote for him. The issue that you've got is would the greatest suspecting it might be my naivety in terms of the political system. He's got fuckhole chance of that happening because it because of the political power in the political party that will get in nationally, they will effectively make mandate changes and legislation changes and everything else that will then filter down locally. I don't know what your thoughts are, David, I don't know whether you agree, disagree or what? No, I think actually independence can, you know, it's not as black and white as you're in one party or the other party and therefore that's your only view because, you know, MPs not only do they support and champion local causes and they have that voice in Parliament, but they're obviously interacting with the civil servants and the spending of those departments and where those budgets go and they're having influence at that level, but they also as part of their parliamentary work within government, they're always joining committees and subcommittees which are discussing law's legislation's change process and they can have a positive impact if they've got an area of expertise or a passion to make difference within government and when it comes to actually voting on things, there's an awful lot of votes, there's hundreds of votes that go through Parliament every year and the vast, vast, vast majority of them are just basically passing through legislation that's been through committee process and committee process where people like, you know, whether it's independent or not, it's people that are genuinely trying to do good and make difference and the committee comes up the legislation that they think's fair and right and then it's voted on and most of it is not contentious and the only time it comes to be contentious is when it's a big issue, there's a big difference in policy between the two major policies, the paid major parties and at that point, Bob's Rob's, I was getting mixed up with Bob more to me too when I saw his name, his vote is the same, the same weight as anybody else's vote, whether we conservative labor, liberals, anyone's, um, part machine fame who won't be there, but so his vote is, it's just the same, it's one vote, one out of 650 or 40 90s school this week or so, you know, it's, it's just as valuable and I think as an independent, if we have more independence, you know, if we have like 50 or 60 independence in government, I think that is, would be really quite powerful and way, way better than the hung parliament between like the liberals and the labor of the, of the greens and labor or whatever. Yeah, no, I think that's a really good take on it. The other side of it as well is, so, you know, this fellow, I think he's currently a counselor in Congolton borough at the moment, so, you know, he's in touch with people and how they want to vote for me, he's got a good idea of what the electorate want in this, in this constituency and ultimately, you know, I'm not saying that isn't the case for the other, the other people who are standing and potentially could get in, but to say you're a part of the conservative party, you know, you've got the whip, you are occasionally told to vote a certain way. Yeah, this fellow won't be, he will potentially be voting with our interests in mind if, you know, if we're voting for this guy to do that, replacing our trust in him, we were almost sat in a contract with him, I think that's what another way to do it with we're asking you to represent us and our wishes, you know, and there's, there's probably an argument to say that independence, like you say, I'm not sure 650 independence would get a lot done. I think there's an argument to say you do need a control by things that 50 or 60, I think that's that. But with the being 650 constituents, you know, if everybody's local wishes were represented there, you know, by an independent candidate, then, you know, you'd be talking 650 independence, which would be extreme, and ultimately, yeah, good answer would imagine Fiona Bruce put your, your purse away. I wouldn't take your money on that one. No, no, I look, I think you're, I just think, I'm just, just for like, I'm not implying that Fiona Bruce is killing you of any better. I don't want any, I don't want any comeback. It's just a, it's a silly petty joke. I'm sure. Nobody will say anything. Nobody will say that you're absolutely fine. Well, we'll, we'll, we'll put a rider on at the end of the show or something like that. Isn't that in term, and a rider on? They might be, um, no, look, I think, you know, you need your, yeah, the issue with the independence would be that there'd be no, the effect had been no strategy would there, there'd be no joined up thinking because everybody would be wanting lots of different things, I suppose. So I, I don't know. I just, independence or independence, and they are where they are. I just, and it's the issue we had with like Lib Dems going back, and I know there's the whole parliament, whenever it was back in the, I say back in the day, but actually relatively not that long ago. Um, but really we're, we're a little bit like America where we're just a, a two party country, aren't we? Really? And, you know, we are now, you know, yeah, if, if the polls are to be believed, then, you know, reform could potentially overtake conservatives if the polls are to be believed, but one thing we know about the polls are, you can't believe them. Exactly. You know, somebody said to me, you're going to vote for, oh, yeah, I'll leave 100%. Somebody else asked me to follow, who you're going to vote for? I'll reform. Really? Yeah, yeah, 100%. And you just say it, you might not, people just say it, they don't really, and it go back to run the risk of opening another kind of woman, you go back to Brexit and you look at, you know, was it 51% 49% or whatever it was or 52, 48? Well, it booked close. And then they did the same poll two days after the Brexit vote, and the vote was switched completely the other way. So actually it was 52 or 51% said, no, we want to stay in 49, you know, we want to go, whatever. So polls are polls and they're never hugely accurate. I don't suspect. No, no, no, no. I suspect you might be right there. So in terms of what is affecting us locally, what is affecting us in the larger picture, how should we be considering to vote? Should we be looking at the likes of Mr. Martin? And just while we're there, she'll probably imagine the other candidates being Rich McCarthy from the Green Party and Kay Wesley from the Women's Equality Party. I have odds for the Green Party is 150 to one. I don't have odds for the lady. I'm afraid they weren't, I couldn't, and I'm offered anywhere. But yeah, so like a lot we discussed at the outset. When we vote, let's be honest, we likely think, you know, you have your alignment with conservative party, labor party, whoever you align yourself with. And that's who you're going to vote with, because that you think is probably what aligns most with your core beliefs in terms of the economy and what you want to see happen out, you know, outlying. But do you ever think locally, well, I'm going to vote conservative because I want to see conservative affect my constituency. I want to see how labor affects my constituency or whoever you vote for. Or are you looking, always looking at the bigger picture? That's my question. And should we? Always bigger picture when it comes to general elections, because the government in power and parliament aren't going to have any direct impact in terms of policy and legislation on all sides, where we live. Local elections is completely different, because the councillors are deciding where they spend the money they do have, and I think that is a completely different picture. And I think to touch on the independence, and for example, would I always vote conservative for national reasons? Yes. But if, say, it was, and I've only been thinking this more recently, and probably only really thought something popped into my way on this conversation, if, say, it was looking like a pretty comfortable, conservative majority across the entire country, and if Bob Mortimer was standing locally for us, and he had a reasonable shout because he'd got a bit of a profile and people think, you know, he could win the seat. I would give it serious consideration of voting for him, because I think that independent MP would do more for you, but I wouldn't do it if I thought there was any risk of losing the seat, and therefore jeopardising the national government. But do you not, I suppose, like any popularity contest, which basically is what it is, do you not, do you not worry that if you feel so, I don't know, it's relatively comfortable, if the Tories therefore you wouldn't vote for them and you'd vote for Bob Mortimer, did you not then run the risk that, like- What is the one guy who follows us on Instagram? Come on, one of the other guys stick, Rob Mort. So, Rob, good old, good old Bob. So, you know, Rob, do you not, do you not worry that then if you're thinking that way, that then ex-thousands of other people thinking that way, and then actually, the landslide victory for Tory, that you thought was going to happen, and that was the reason why you didn't vote for them, actually doesn't materialise in the first place, because so many people think like you, if that, if that makes sense. So, if you only, if you have your beliefs, then you have your beliefs, then you just vote for them. Well, yeah, so we probably just thought on the crop into my head, a few minutes ago, that in that unique circumstances, I may consider it. So, I hadn't taken it to the next stage of thinking, which is, if you don't vote, it's not that every vote counts, isn't it? And some, some constituencies have been won or lost by one or two votes. Every vote really does count, and if you start to get a completion, this will lay party trying to do at the moment, it's not trying to tell everybody that, you know, we haven't won this, it's not a done deal, you've got to come out and vote. And the conservatives, they tried, what's his name, Grant Shaps, was it, who sort of half said, oh, we've lost this election, and everyone's going, oh, why is he saying that? It's disgraceful, but we know why he's saying it, because he wants to make out that they've got a landslide there, but don't go out and vote. So, it's all politics, but yeah, there is a danger that if you sit on your laurels and do something different, and a lot of people do it, it could actually backfire, but in a certain set, except the circumstances I was describing, it's pretty unlikely. Yeah, interesting. And interesting, another thing as well, potentially, and I guess we're not really looking locally here, we are looking more on a national scale. When you see the leaders debating on television, do you think that has an influence on how people vote? Yeah, I do. I just think, and I think it has an influence. I also think, potentially, how then, following those televised debates or whatever, how the written press, social media, then portray who's won and who's lost. And I think that influences a lot of people. So, I do think that people are influenced by it, and I do think people will generally think, oh, he did well, she didn't do well, or vice versa, or I think it influences people. I think if there was a series of them, and I don't know. Starmer won this one, and then he was perceived to win this one, then he was perceived to win this one, then he was perceived to win this one, and down that he's almost perceived to win everyone. Would that still be enough to persuade me? Maybe, maybe not. Do I think that that would be enough to persuade lots of other people? Yes, maybe. And I think, you know, I don't follow politics probably as close as you two do, but I have my thoughts and my feelings and my beliefs, but I think there are some people that are slightly more marginal and therefore, Cambly influenced, and I think that's why the whole reason why you would do it. I wonder whether or not they're influenced by the reaction to the TV debate, as opposed to the TV debate. Interesting real thoughts, Dave. Yeah, gas, you don't follow politics, you don't know that Keir Starmer's dad was a toolmaker, and his dad was in the NHS. Do you not know that? Apparently, that's central to the future of our country. Is it really right? I didn't know that, but thank you very much for clearing that up, and what's soon at his parents? Which is also essential to the nature. Rishi Sunak also grew up without Sky TV. Although, though, I've been pictures circulating over the Sunak pharmacy with the Chinese on the other side. That's funny that isn't it? Yeah, it's really literally the dishes right there. To answer the question, I think, I mean, there's a debate tonight, isn't there, with just Rishi and Keir on, and I was listening earlier about how the questions were formed, and it's a BBC one, and they use an independent organization to get a balanced, inverted commas audience, and the questions are supposed to be ones that apply to both of them. So, I'm sure the producers are really happy when the Labour guy got in on the betting stock, because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to ask that question, because it doesn't apply to both of them. I think what happens generally when you watch those things is the audience is fairly partisan on the whole, because the country is incredibly polarized and partisan, and when Rishi starts talking, all the anti-conservatives are shouting at the tally, and when Starmer starts talking, all the anti-Labor shout at the tally, and it just polarizes those more, and there's probably that middle group of people, maybe 20%, maybe 25%, that are actually going to think, you know what, I was wavering between liberals and Labour and Starmer. He's done all right there, and there's one wavering between reform and conservative, and they might go one way or another. So, I think I agree with you guys, I think there is an impact, and the audience responds, so when Rishi's some access to something, and the audience all boo and hear, so laughing is the best one, not laughing with him, I think at him. I mean, that's when people at home are more likely to kind of think, yeah, yeah, he's an idiot. I can't vote for him. So, I think they do have an impact, but not probably in a way that any others would want, which is proper grown-up discussion with proper questions and proper answers, and it's not just the politicians that cause the problem, it's because the presenters and the audience ask questions, which the whole intention is to back them into a corner, so they don't ask questions where they can actually have an open, sensible conversation about policies and change because they try to track them all the time. Sorry, I was just going to pick up something that you said there. Do you think, then, and it's interesting that the four, I suppose, main parties that you mentioned there, do you genuinely think that if you don't vote for reform, you vote Tory, and if you're so disillusioned with Tory, you vote reform, do you think that what I'm trying to say is, do you think that Tory and Labor are so polarized that if you're one's Tory, you will never vote for Labor, so therefore it's likely that if you're one's Tory, it would be reform, and therefore the flip side would be, if you're one's Labor, you'll never vote for Tory, so therefore you'll vote Libden. Do you think that's the divide? To a large extent, yes, but not entirely. I mean, I know people that will say, I think Adam even said it on the last episode, I will never vote Conservative again, and people say that, and I really can't fathom that because I think that if you fast-forwarded five years, and so you didn't pay an awful lot of attention to politics, and then you wrote down the policies of the two parties, and basically gave the, the memorandum, what is it called, the manifesto, and you gave that unbranded manifest there, and took out any language, it would tell you which policy it was on, and then say, who would you vote for, then, okay, it might be a bit obvious, because one socialist and one isn't, but essentially, I think a lot of the policies you'd probably potentially agree with, and people that say I never vote again, or they're basing it on personalities, and some policies have passed, and some things that are changing, and I think to say I'll never vote for them, irrespective, the future policies is just crazy, but there are people like that, but there are also people that will change. Yeah, but one thing I will, I'll circle back to the point I was originally making when I asked the question 10 minutes ago, we've got distracted, again, but in terms of that though, yeah, my issue with the Conservative Party has nothing to do with our policies, in terms of the economy, I would trust them ahead of Labour 100%. It's to do, it's to do with the other nonsense, and the Boris Johnson's, and to be honest with you, largely, behavior during the pandemic that I lost an awful lot of faith in politics in general, or mainly the Conservative Party. But we can go on to that in a second, but the point I was making about leadership debates before we got distracted there was the whole point is, I asked for your opinion on it, and I was about to say, actually, interestingly enough, the expectation is it isn't going to influence the way you vote. Does that surprise you? Actually, what it does influence is whether you vote, when you're, when, when Rishi's up there, his, the point is, he's getting the Conservative people to vote for him with the, the, the, the, the key is getting the Labour folks to vote for him. And that's how it works, rather than actually influencing anybody, because most people, like you say, a good portion of made up their mind, another portion aren't going to be made up their minds aren't going to be made up by watching them. Actually, it's about drumming up the support and getting every single last Conservative out there to vote for Rishi, and whoever is your local candidate, because you know what, their backs are up against the wall. And the same for Keir, he's sort of thinking that people get complacent now. This is where we lose this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not, I'm not thought about particularly from that point of view, but yeah, when you, and when you, I suppose you can look at the language in two ways, can't you? And if you put that thought into your head, when you've got Keir, Stalmer, and Rishi Sonak, both say, the choice is clear. It's good stuff with us and bad stuff with them. And when you, when you boil it down to that, which is what they say, quite often in different ways, which ends with that, they're doing exactly what you said and they're saying, look, vote, get your vote out, because if you don't, you've got that car crash over there. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. 100%. But yeah, just, just to go back then, a little bit to what you're saying, in terms of what I'm saying, I'll never vote because we had, at this point in time, I genuinely generally mean that statement. Don't get me wrong. Five years from now, I might say, I'll never vote. Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to vote Labour this time and show I'm going to vote. But let me promise you this. Rob, am I in luck? Sorry, Bob. No, in terms of Labour, I ain't going to vote for Labour. I can't bring myself to vote for Labour. You know, it's bad and probably jumped into me by our family for years and years, but it's the antics. It's the cronyism that's really violated me, this could save the government. Did you not think, and I'm not saying this is the case and I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit, do you not think that your sentiment will be exactly the same with the Labour party or the Lib Dems if they were empowered during the pandemic and they made a buffoon of themselves and okay, Boris made some absolute fucking catastrophic mistakes and we all know what they are on the global documented, you know, and you know, whether it's Corbyn or star, wherever it was, but you know, at that time, had they been empowered, they'd have made some absolutely fucking catastrophic mistakes. So therefore your, your perception of that person or that party would be skewed significantly. So I think that's just a, maybe, that's like saying, well, don't ain't the RV asshole because if he hadn't shot him, somebody else would. No, I don't, I don't think it is. I just think that they were faced with it with it with a situation and a series of events that on a global scale that they had to make decisions and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying, I'm not saying just, I'm just putting it out there. I'm not saying for one minute that I think that those decisions that they made were right, I just think to chastise them to the point that some people have and say, Oh, I wish they would have been in or they'd have been in, they'd have made exactly whoever that may be, they'd have made exactly this. Well, maybe not exactly the same, but they'd made a significant number of catastrophic mistakes as well that you would then highlight down the line. I see what you're saying, but the bottom line is they weren't in there. They didn't make those mistakes, those people are to blame. Boris Johnson is too late. Genuine question. Genuine question. Do you feel, and I don't know, and do you feel as though the Tory government, Boris and the Tory government made the decisions during COVID with wanting the best for the British public? No. And I'm not saying I do, or don't, by the way, I'm just asking that question. So do you feel as though some decisions that were made were made for either personal financial gain or personal political gain, as opposed to the general not welfare, what's we're looking for? Swell of opinion of the general population. The populace opinion was swelled by what the mass media was telling them, and that wasn't the same in every country. Sweden handled it entirely differently. Do I believe that at the beginning of the pandemic, they had our best interests at heart? 100% yes. 100% yes. But the things I saw, you know, with the PPE, the award in the contracts, the saying that people can't do this, you can't mix well, you know, while they're having cheese and wine parties. And yes, I take it. Other people were doing it the day before we say I know they were, but they weren't the people that telling you that you couldn't do it. These were the people saying categorically, it is not safe for you to make this is absolutely lethal. Well, guess what? The second the cameras are off, our masks are off, and we're having a glass of wine and taking a piss out of you guys behind it, not a problem. Yeah, I think it's completely unacceptable. Would labor on the same under those circumstances? We'll never know. We'll need quantum physics. We'll need Steve to come back on and talk about that one and tell us about the alternative universe where you know, I don't exist in that one. I just in this one. Well, you say that. I take a slightly different view. I think that the decisions on the whole, the vast majority of the decisions were being made to the best of the capacity of the people that were trying to make the decisions that were there to do it. Now, when you've got this global pandemic going on, and nobody really knows what's going to happen, and the government are doing absolutely everything they can, whether it be like ordering as much PPAs as they can. We just heard on the news that those inverted corners are billion pounds worth that's being wasted. Now, at the time, they went and just bought as much as they could, because they just thought this was going to be terrible. At the time, we didn't know we were going to have a vaccine. We didn't know how it was going to play out, and they just bought everything they could. Now, the fact is we didn't need it all, and it's got a lifespan on it, and you can't sell it because the global markets flooded with it. So, yeah, we've had to bin it. Everyone's going to work catastrophic waste of money. Now, had a vaccine come 12 months later, that probably would have been used and saved a lot of lives, and then people wouldn't have been saying, "What a waste of money." Yes, some people happen to reward contracts to people they happen to know. Well, when your job is to go and get a shitload of people you've got. That's a proper dodger. Stick a blue tie on a blue room set on why you're saying that. They're not saying a pecuniary interest form when they say, "Oh, come on." When you've got a shitload of PPE, and that's your job, people's lives matter, and you happen to know somebody who can sort it out for you, or go through that deep procurement process, then you're going to do what you've got to do. And if that means that somebody you know you're mate or your mate's mate or your brother's sister-in-law lines their pocket, but the country still gets what it needs to save lives, I don't give a fine fuck. I do. Look, we'll never really know, will we, until however many years' time, probably no longer here was it now, five years, four years ago, whatever. So, we won't know for another 45 years, we'll have until some of the documents are released and this, that, the other end, they become a public interest thing. But we don't really know behind the scenes, and some people will take this comment quite hard, and I don't mean it's really the pressures that the people that were making the decisions were under. You don't know the pressures that were put on the people to go out and source the PPE, to go out and create the vaccine, to go out and do this, and go out and do that, in terms of the public pressure that they were under, and also be potentially the personal political pressure they were under to actually sort it out. You know, if big boss turns around and says, right, you've got to go and source me 15 million pieces of PPE, you're like, okay, who do I go to? Oh, actually, I know we're- PPE for not guys next door. But why if I had a PPE firm, though? Why would you not? A lot of them didn't, though, this is the point. No, but that's what I'm saying. And now, okay, you can turn on and go, did you process happening this, that, and the other? But if I did, what- A, I'd be rich, but what would be wrong with that, you know? As long as you're just- I'll be looking, I'll be looking at you about in scandals here, is that how come we knew to invest in PPE just about about now? Just that risk you did? But what you wouldn't do, I bet what you wouldn't do is say I won't go to cars because that won't make him rich. So you wouldn't think the flip side of that, you wouldn't say I won't, I'm definitely not going to go to him because people might say this. What you would do is you would say, "Gaz, there's an opportunity there." Put your tendering, put your bidding, we'll go through due process and the bid will be awarded as per the guidelines of whatever the process is. Listen, I think you're glossing over the fact that the people here, there's 1.4 billion pounds worth of PPE that's going to have been this perfectly functional. In the meantime, they were buying- it's giving contract to the mates. You know, it's not perfectly functional, it's got a lifetime on it. No, no, no, but it was purposefully functional when we needed it. So we needed everything we needed and then we had a vaccine and we didn't need it anymore. Well, it's not complicated, does it? We need as much as we can. Let's get as much as we can. Right, we've got more than we needed. Right, we don't need it anymore, it's gone out of date, throw it away. You can guarantee that if we didn't have- if the general populace and the general public fellas, they didn't have enough yet, there was more out there that we could have procured and we didn't. Well, we never really thought we'd need that much. Well, fucking, I'll do your mask. Yeah, we need shit loads. You can guarantee the whole shit's coming the other way because other people go, "Well, hold on, you needed 15 million. You only bought five, but there was another 15 available. So why didn't you just buy a fucking 20 and make sure they had enough?" Now, people have died because you wanted to save money and not over all of it. I'm not sure. I'm not sure that's the case. So really, I think you're looking at through rose-tinted spectacles, I really do. I think you're relying on a system that is designed there to function for us and there's a part of me that believes that's how it's set up. I don't believe that's how it's functioned certainly for the last 14 years. I think there's a lot of the decisions made there. I'd like to see those files. We have to wait 45 years for them. I ain't going to see them in all that. No, it's a big answer. For someone who enjoys beer quite as much as I do, I think you're public document and I'm assuming it's 50 years is it that they become? Yeah, I imagine they'll be adapted for a period of time. I'll just give you a bit of an insight. This is through work. Public sector tenders generally, right? So our business, we don't do them anymore because they're just a real pain in the arse to take a load of time. We actually think they're a bit unfair. We essentially, just a tender for a 50-60 grand contract with the Public Sector Council can take months of work in the tender process, can take six to 12 months, a huge amount of effort and that's just for a diddly squat for a basic sound space service. You just can't operate like that in a global handbag. No, I totally agree with you. I would expect corners to be cut. I'm just not sure that they were done in a way that wasn't beneficial to the people who were cutting the corners. That's all I'm saying. I believe you can honestly believe that our public servants are there just for that to serve the public. I do not believe that they made decisions with our best interests as art more with our own. Question for you then. Do you believe that the people that cut the corners and therefore profited from those cut corners? Do you believe the decisions that they made in terms of lying in the pockets of their family members, if that's the case, then meant that we save lives? No, I don't. No, I don't. Irrespective. I think you've missed the point there, to be honest with you. Look, I think the study, the study as to whether masks save lives is that one's still open for a debate, if I'm really honest. I think that one does need to be looked at and certainly I am not a scientist. I don't just follow the science just for the record, but I'm not a scientist, so I'm not in a position to speak about it. But there's a number of articles out there that will tell you actually in terms of the way that masks are worn, and certainly I can tell you from my own personal experience from wearing a mask. I didn't follow the rules in terms of I was constantly playing with a damn thing. Now, if you say, for example, it was believed to be surface contact at first, we then later learned that it wasn't. But I was constantly, I worked in retail, I was touching everything, just everybody's food. I was touching a mask. I must have readjusted that thing 50 times an hour. I mean, so. But PPE was all about the NHS, wouldn't it? No, no, no, no. Listen, listen, I take it. I would hope that the NHS would be top of the list, getting their PPE from the people who had always provided it, because we know it's trusted. I think it's the other stuff that went out there, and the other contracts are stuff, you know, and the out American fellery just took his money and invested it in property. Those are the people I've got interest with. I've got issues with. I've got no, I have got no axe to grind with NHS. I've got no axe to grind with PPE producers who have done it legitimately have won their contracts. Listen to me, I've got no interest. I've got no interest there. And if they so happened to be the brother-in-law of Conservative MVP, and they were doing it in the first place, then that's fine by me. I've got no concerns. What I have got concerns with, these people all of a sudden, we were making carpets in 10 minutes later producing PPE and saying, "Here, I'll have it." Well, that guy after you're annoying will have this guy as me brother-in-law. Oh, just so happens. I'm a yes, I have on the board, but it was all within the best interest. Don't you worry, folks? Yeah, I think that has been a bit feisty. Let's change subject. Anyway, what's the football score? Let's talk about something much worse to home. Go on, paid carpets in our village, because this is a good episode. About big politics begins at home. So with four minutes to go, let's bring it back to home. So we've got a village in the second-class village. We've got a fairly decent car park, which means anyone can go and park and use the restaurants, the pubs, the charity shops, the supermarkets, the schools and all that sort of stuff. And in it's great. And the council, I believe, I think it's been approved that they're going to actually car parking charges in now. I think there's windows around school, drop off in school, pick up, pick up, which means it's probably going to not be bad for schools, but for the general trade, I think it's going to be an absolute disaster for the village. Yeah, well, full enough, this is the point I had noted down to talk about. We're local, it's going to be before we got distracted. So yeah, I don't want to get distracted. I enjoyed it. So yeah, in terms of 3.40 for 10 hours of fanny's craft gas, what do you think about that? Everybody loves it. Look, I mean, do we all park in the village, call it the village again, not the town? Do we all park in the village? Yeah, we do. Do we park in the village, you know, going for a night out and then think, oh, I'll just leave my car there and I'll walk in the morning and get it. Yeah. Would we do that if there was an overnight charge? Would we do that if there was a significant charge for the following morning or that evening? Probably not. Does that deter me from then going into the village or going elsewhere? Maybe, you know? Well, here's the question, though. So as one of the local businesses, the only local supermarket, obviously, says we've been built as we speak, which does have free parking, I believe, or will have free parking when it's built. So I'm trying for just a state, yeah, it's from, you know, I've sort of drove past it the other day and, you know, the ground is already starting to level. So I think that's going to be there quite soon. But so say you had to pay for parking. Are you going to go to ask the, or could you be asked to drive 10 minutes further on to say kids' grove, where you got a Tesco's and a little where it's free? Or do you just think I'll start it? I'll pay me 60p. Yeah. And look, I think, I think, you know, I think the levels are, you know, look, look, if we're giving an analogy, we could drive to the traffic centre, which is 45 minutes away, and get free parking. We could drive to the pottery centre, which is 10 minutes, 50 minutes away, and get charged 1.30 an hour. So if we're there for six hours, seven hours, that's a tenor give or take. It's going to cost you less than petrol to get to the traffic centre and back. So therefore you will go to the traffic centre because now if if the pottery centre is free and you were there for a significant period of time, that might influence you to go more local than somewhere else. So, you know, I think we're watching also just because there's not really that much to do around is the sea. I've only got much choice. Do you think that's part of it though? Do you think that it's part of it? Basically, people can't be asked. You know, the people who are going to go shop at Tesco, because the loyal to Tesco is going to go to crew and kids for a better wake. People who are loyal to ask, they're probably just going to pay the six to three and lump it. Look, if we, if we're, if you know, if we're on a now, you turn around and say, well, we're driving towards Asia, we'll leave the car there. Well, pick it up for the morning. Because I really can't be asked to drive 10 minutes down the road and go to Sanbatch or whatever. You know what I mean? So I don't think that necessarily is going to influence us. I don't know your thoughts, I think, but is it going to detract? Is it going to stop people parking there and then using the local shops capacity? Also, your is hairdressers takeaways and charity shops. So is it going to stop the people from going there? Or are they going to go to what's it called into now, free port used to be or whatever it is or your local or into Sanbatch or wherever it may be? I don't know what what you thought. For me personally, because I live in church law, and so I'm much closer to Tesco's anyway. So there's no way I'd go to ask that if it was a period I have to park, I'd have to pay to park. I'd just go to Tesco's because it's, it's 60, 40 already, you know, in terms of distance, you know, or 70, 30 maybe. So it's, it's not further away. It's just, it is further away, but it's not like, you know, going past it to get somewhere else. The, the second thing is if, if, if you were to go out in the evening, then I suspect that you're just going to push cars to the side streets, and they're just looking to town. Because that already happens pretty much anyway down. Large road, is it outside? Large road road or all that, like, like, like, yeah, it's packed. And then, and then the third thing, which I think is, which, from my perspective is like the dentist, for example, the opticians, for example, use the ones in the village. Now, I'm not going to start going to kids' grove or another town to avoid parking, to change my dentist or my opticians. But I, I wouldn't pay, I'd just park it again in the side street. I normally walk anyway, to be honest, but if it's tipping it down or winter, whatever, I'd probably just park in the side street. So I find it very hard to believe that I would ever pay to park in that car park. So there'll be no positives and only negatives. And a lot of people must be the same as life. Yeah, yeah. I agree. I think if we went out, as you said, David, what you do is, you know, you'd park, and whether it's behind bar 55, if they're going to make that payable, if that is still free, people will go there. You people will, as you say, park down, large road, people might park down more shady grove and spend two minutes walking into buildings, or wherever it may be, Ashmore's Lane or whatever, you know, so there would be, there would be side streets that then become a paid in the Arsenal local residence, because they'd literally just gampack. So then you start going down the route of, well, what do you put double yellows on, and you just start making more double yellows. And then that creates his own issue, because then the residents can't park there, because even permit holders can't park on double yellows. So therefore you do it. And it's a hot, that whole hot potato, isn't it? Of how do you make, how do you make areas which you permit holders only? Do you make it all double yellow, which means nobody can park there? Well, you've got the cost of all that. But if you made it all double yellow, because it doesn't, you don't want to piss off the residents, and nobody would park the cars in the side streets, I mean, they then wouldn't go into the town, so then you local bars, you local restaurants, local shops, then wouldn't get the trade anyway, because people think, I can't park there, because it's not worth me parking there and getting a, I don't know what's the parking fine, a 30 quid isn't that what I don't know what it is. But whatever the parking fine is, that's not worth it. So what I'll do is I'll spend the extra £1.50 in petrol and spend that extra five minutes in the car to go to Tesco, and I'll just park there. Do you know what I mean? So, I'm probably with you, but I don't see any positive from it at all, if I'm honest. I suspect, I mean, I agree with you. I don't think I don't think it's a positive move in general, charging people for something that was once free, not a big fan of that. But I suspect it will generate some revenue from that. Can't be asked. I'm just going to nip there. I'm in a rush. People are tired. People put a value on time over money. And I think this is what's banking on that. There's been talk for years over monetizing those car parks. And I suspect this is finally to fruition, whereas you will think people are more to import now. And do you know what? We'll probably just pay it. We're not in an area, say that it's necessarily too pressured by finances. And we're talking probably about ourselves, so I apologize if anybody's listened to this and disagrees with me because I'm sure there are those that are. But I suspect that that extra 60p for an hours parking won't have too much of a financial penalty on other people's lives. And probably we'll generate a little bit of revenue in the same way that I suppose, when they were in recently connecting your garden waste and started charging you for that now. I don't know about it. Just quickly, as that angering it, I'm good at the blood amongst anybody. Are you furious, or have you paid it? There was a disagreement in the household, and I lost. She wants you paid. And we've got compost bins and everything, but you do need that as well, certain times of the year. And if you don't have that, you're then back and forward to the tip. And you've got to keep it like food waste, for example. You want to do the responsible thing and not just put it into the black bin. We don't put it into the compost bins because we live near fields. We get rice, rice, mice, and rats. If you put food waste, you dig up and get into it. So we put it into the brown bin. If you don't have the brown bin, it's going in the black bin. So basically we've paid 54 quid for the year to essentially do the right thing for the environment, even though they're going to take the bin, the empty the bin, they then compost it down and then sell it or use it to save money or make money. I don't agree that you should pay for that at all when it's discouraging people from doing the right thing for the environment. That's my concern. That was my concern, like you say, recycling. I thought it was a fantastic idea recycling it in the first place. But now, yeah, yeah, actually, have you paid it? Yeah, grudgingly. But that's just because, as you say, I say, you don't want to do the wrong thinking. You don't want to put your food waste in a black bin. And then you don't want to put your plastics in there because actually it's really important that you recycle your plastics because it's the right thing to do and all of the literature, media, and research says it is the right thing to do. And that helps the environment and that helps your future generations, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, we've paid it. It was paid grudgingly just because you have your food waste, you have your green waste, whether it's your grass cutings or all this. I know that you know, I don't want to be bagging them up and then leaving them in an area that is going to shrink the place out. And then, because I'm not, if I'm honest, I'm not going to go to the tip every time I have a singular bag of green waste or food waste or whatever. So you're going to need to find an area within your property that you can put them in and whether you have a bin store or whatever. But you're going to have to find a place where you can then store them for a period of time until you have two, three, four bags and they think, oh, fucking, I've got a tip run now, and then you take them all and then you do it at the tip and then you come back and it's like, that's a ball, like, if I'm honest, therefore effectively, or you're paying whatever it's 50, it could be for convenience or you're paying 58 quid because it's the right thing to do. And I think some people are both. I think somebody like, I'll just pay it. Do you know what I mean? Again, it's that time, Paul, you can't be asked to drive down to the tip. I'm going to use criticizing when you have a service that I did it for you. Do you think then just quickly before we close up, do you think the local councils then have a contingency plan for people dumping garden, wasting their all silver recycling bin? I don't know, actually. But I don't know what you're saying for that, I say, but you just mentioned a point now that it's not just about convenience though, is it? Because the basically saying if you've either got to put it into the silver bin or the rubbish bin or you've got to make the effort, like I said, to go to the tip, if you're going to the tip, you're then using your car, everyone's using the car to a trip to the tip, to put it there. So it just doesn't work at all. You've basically just been blackmailed, people that have got a conscience about the environment are essentially being blackmailed into doing the right thing when they were already doing the right thing. And then what if they now charge your 54 quid for your recycling bin that comes next? Well, that will come next. I've got no doubt. You know, you start the green and then you go to your recycling and then it won't be long before, actually, they'll start charging you for your normal waste. And it doesn't take a genius to work out that that's the natural process of what will happen. And I'm not saying it's next year or two years or 10 years, but there will come a point where you think, well, I'm not paying 150 quid for my three bins. But then you'll end up with fucking rubbish bags out the side of your house. That's nice, gas rubbish bags piled up outside. Nice segue to to either fifth under a Labour government. Do you see what I did there? I made full circle, full circle, Dave. It will take longer than a day for it to go first. Final question, a final question, as we close out there in question from Paul, one nine, one, eight, my YouTube, will these issues you are talking about influence your vote in local elections? Yes or no answers only David? No, gas? No. Yes, fully enough. I am in my old age getting a bit reactionary, if you hadn't guessed. So folks, we're going to bring this episode to a close. I mean, guys are going to go outside and have a bare-faced infire, chested fight to the death about the local elections. And then have a cuddle. Have a cuddle. Have a cuddle in the hot tub and a beer. So folks, in all seriousness, though, it's fine to disagree about these things. Well, you know, I see it is so many people using like bad language and name call and just because somebody disagrees with you. Just listen to their opinions and if it's different from yours, it's fine. Listen to it. If my influence your opinion and why not, we'll hear them out. They could be right. If you listen to the tall boy radio, god damn it, you know we're right. So Dave, sum it all up for us as we say goodbye. Sum it up, I'm cocky. That's a big one. And look, healthy debate, try and understand each other's view, try to think beyond personality, try to think beyond what's happened in the past, try to understand what's going to happen in the future. There's plenty of people you can ask and talk about. Don't get into an echo chamber though. Don't listen to the media trying to do your own independently search and what actually matters and then make the best informed decision you can, but most importantly, vote. Even if you spoil the ballot paper, that's better than just not voting the talks that they are counted, but they don't release the numbers, but at least vote. Don't, don't, don't, not vote. 100%, 100%. Gaza? Yeah, I echo what Dave just said there. Absolutely, you should vote. And again, you know, we joked on a previous episode, even if you went and wrote tourable radio over your ballot paper, whatever, just you go and vote because then it's proved it's taking the time to do that. And you know what, a healthy debate is fine. Me and Adam have known each other for and Dave really, we've known each other for probably too many years that we care to recall. And we rarely agree on anything really, but we're still mates, you know, whether that's the case next week, you'll have to tune in to find out something. And, you know, but look, joking aside, you know, a healthy debate is fine. And Adam knows that me and Adam and I know that Adam and I, we disagree on a number of things. Don't get me wrong. We agree on lots of things, but we disagree on a number of things. And I mean, Dave is similar, you know, we'll agree on lots of things. And, and I think if you were to ask us where we're going to vote, we potentially probably would agree with each other and our votes probably would be the same. But we disagree on lots of other things. So, you know, a healthy debate is fine. You don't need to be muddlinging. You don't need to be aggressive. You just need to be respectful of that person's decision and try to think of it from their point of view. And, you know, you're always respectful of each other's opinions and you move forward. Indeed, indeed. And it's many years before it will get this contentious again. Unless, of course, we have Parliament and we have to go to the election again as I'm in the 70s, but that was fun. But I'm going to nail my colours to the mass. I'm going to nail my colours to the mass. I'm going to say congratulations, England. I'm winning the European Championship in 2024. Gareth Southgate. You deserve that, Nigel, it's coming your way, boy. Enjoy it. [Music]