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Here I know you saw in the title excited fan favorite Jeff phil is back joined the patreon folks i'm gonna start posting more patreon episodes and you can learn tarot and do. Live readings within a safe place with fun people whole bunch of stuff you know my spiel but Jeff phil is here Jeff let me tell you something first of all how are you. Really good thank you appreciate it good I listen if you're feeling good about yourself and you're like i look good i look good i've been working out i'm happy to take care of my skin if you feel like that stay home. Don't go out i had to get professional a by tens done or a photo shoot i never really know what i need cuz you know you need free website so holy the guy was the greatest photographer he's like look how good you look and i was like holy crap i had to know it got that bad i thought it was okay oh my god just stay home if you feel good turn off the lights. I'll tell you i can one of the greatest blessings is when your eyesight starts to go because my eyesight is at a point where i can see but i have what i would call a soft lens on my eyes at this point right so when i look in the mirror man i'm like hey not bad buddy good job sir and then and then somebody either takes a picture of me god forbid or i actually turn on the bathroom lights those horrible incandescent lights and i'm like. Jesus holy moly what happened i was just feeling good and then someone's like well the lighting wasn't right well when i can't walk around with the lighting being right all that's right that's right that's what you want is a conditional attractiveness where if everything is perfect you know what if we're gonna go on a date let's do it right around us. And let's do it under this tree right here i'm just going to stand i know it sounds weird i'm gonna stand at this angle now look at me okay now go away that was a good first date goodbye yes exactly that's like when people see super muddles and they're the pictures of them like well they don't really look like that. And it's like well they kind of do that like that's total the most that is absolutely disingenuous in bullshit they absolutely look like that a hundred percent maybe maybe not as perfect but yeah they look like that that's why they're in the photo and i am not. You know one of the greatest moments and then i found out she didn't want it to happen i've never been like a Cindy Crawford. Hader or like or she's kind of like a neutral she was just there all the time for many years and then a picture came out and it was she had all her stretch marks from having her two kids. And it kind of came out and it was like that was brave and that was good and i was like you know what i like that she did that i was like i bet that makes millions of women feel good about themselves and then you found out she did not okay that that was not supposed to go out like that. Right right it yeah we're all the same but anyway it's caring i was gonna say i'm you know one of the things that i was talking to you about was this this. Weird ability that i guess we all have where we can have psychic moments but just before you told the Cindy Crawford story and i know it's easy for me to say this because it's after the fact but. When we were just talking about how super models do look really good in real life i was about to tell you my friends Cindy Crawford story. Which is basically a very short story but all it was was he was in a bar somewhere near the beach in malibu and all the sudden there's kind of a hush in the room and he can just feel every single guy in that bar looking in the same direction and he said. You know Cindy Crawford this only about three or four years ago mind you walked in and it's just she's just one of those people that is not only photogenic but she's just so. Ridiculously naturally attractive that he even if you didn't know it was any Crawford you be like what you know yeah so it's just there are certain people god bless them. Where they just they just hit the genetic jackpot i guess yeah they look good at every angle by god yeah yeah i don't know if that's a i mean probably some of it's dna some of it might be working if it's work i'm all for it i'm grasping at straws for a reason why that happened i don't know what i'm doing. I know and if that's work tell me your doctor i'll go that you fix it i don't care where these stem cells came from stick them in i know you know there's a picture of a. Deborah messing is a big controversy on tiktok right now and there was a picture of her and all these people go what happened to her face and i look at her and she looks phenomenal for fifty five. And so what's what is wrong with her what happened what's the controversy i think she stood up for israel so as so she had opinion. I know you know god bless you have your opinion either way unless it. You know i mean like we're just at that right now that's ridiculous that you know and i'm not saying i have an opinion i'm right out here this podcast is not about his real pal son. But yeah she looked amazing and they were the girls like what happened to her face and everybody was like that's what happened once they take those epic and blah blah and all these excuses and then someone my age was like oh my god you young people. Don't know what fifty five looks like you think she looks sixty five there's no she looks great and then they got mad cuz this woman said young people but i really think they haven't really seen. Anything without photoshop. Well and and and especially with celebrities and image of them that you remember gets permanently imprinted in your brain and then time goes on and if that celebrity hasn't been in the news much or whatever you're suddenly shot that you know fifteen years have passed. You know since the tv show she was on her twenty years at this point and you know in your brain it's just you know it's like when you're when you see a kid that you only knew is a little kid and then all the sudden there twenty four years old like oh my god what happened but i just i just think that people especially with celebrities they permanently affix the image in their mind as to how that person should look. And you know and they're not seeing the wrong term a day by day exposure to time in the ravages of living. Right right and you know a julia roberts has not done anything and it's apparent but it's okay it's still she's still julia roberts but holy cow do people jump on the band wagon because she hasn't had work done she even said something about how mean the comments were when she just posted a picture of her. And then on the other hand if you're a one a cell wicker or somebody and you fix it now you're a bad person to it's just a ridiculous care care is it possible that there's a psychological phenomenon known as projecting. Yes where people are basically just revealing their own insecurities on somebody else i mean it once you once you take that class in psychology or and nowadays go to the google. And you learn basic psych 101 one of the most common thing that people do is project and so anytime they're throwing shade or have negative comments all you gotta do is look back on the source and there it is there's the insecurity or the fear or the whatever they're just. I'm avenge seven folding their own insecurities there you go yes i'd like to turn my own insecurities in on myself and then they're double powerful good for you good for you i just was listening to something and they were saying. I can't remember what it was always she was someone was analyzing that as above so below was actually wrong or change and she went through this whole thing and then when she was done explaining what it really meant i was like well that's. The same thing as we thought it meant before you correct us but she was saying your weaknesses your strength and i was thinking about that and i was like. Well insecurity and comedy kind of bagging on yourself works but that's an interesting. I mean i get my strength my strength is eating chocolate at midnight i know that's my strength i'm trying to figure out how to strength okay let me meditate on that for a second yes give it a minute well i was thinking you know somebody that maybe grows up in domestic violence and then grows up to be a person that stops domestic violence. Maybe that's what she means or something like that but yeah i like how you have to figure out nice ways to fix to stitch together what she said well it sounds like a superhero thing right like is weakness it is the strongest point. It does it does sound like that although i doubt that's what that is it's also possible she's just horrifically mistaken but somehow thought it would be interesting to other people. And i just want to give you a quick shout out that i love that you are you're only hard on yourself instead of projecting it i love that because it's like you're jumping on a psychic hand grenade basically the person that everyone get back i'm about to say something terrible jump on this let me own this. Everyone get back i know that's my that's my version of being a better person turning it on myself what i was like i was like man i'm getting ready for my summer on the road i'm excited new pictures new website and i was like i'm gonna become a drama and live in a mountain with a goat. Have pictures but i'm sure here's but you think that's a bad thing like i don't know Karen that sounds pretty damn good doesn't it what is wrong you're saying that like it's a bad thing i don't know man. That's pretty freaking awesome right well i think i you know i was kind of figuring out and i don't want to make this about me because we got so much to talk about with you in your podcast but this sort of escape where i'm just driving around i think i have the first two months sort of sketched out which is pretty good and then i'll come back and forth and see my mom cuz she's in every care but i was kind of like what why do you think that it's going to be so much better like what's the freedom in that. And i am not really sure but i know i'm looking forward to it and some of it like i don't know if i'm gonna do this but if i get a nice little s u v and sleep at campsites i'm gonna try that at least try it once but that sounds awesome doesn't it but then i think flies and mosquitoes so i got to figure out them. Well they're always there i mean that's you know it's a they're always there that's for sure yeah i don't know that sounds that sounds pretty fun i'm i'm always a big fan of being in my car and kind of like creating my own little bubble of awareness so to speak i can be super self. I introspective or whatever introspective i guess i guess the word self doesn't belong before the word introspective because it's implied but here let me correct myself but anyway i love being inside my car and i think that car camping it just sounds freaking really fun because you're in your own world you know and you can just cut it to your own thing and. Yeah you know how many times care if you've been driving and you're you're talking to yourself you're practicing something you're going over comedy you're doing something ridiculous and the people around you're just like if they dare to look over at your thinking. What the hell is wrong with this woman what is going on over there i know i was just driving in my curlers to my photo shoot i thought i would. You know your curlers loss well you know it is funny because when i get up in the morning i really just would love to meditate and tune in and do a bunch of things and then i'm like well the only yoga classes at nine thirty so you gotta get my thought maybe on the road i'll give myself some grace with that but the idea of it. Maybe it's gets old in ten minutes but the idea of just like sitting outside in the middle of the night in a campsite not you know maybe watching something on your internet that would be fine but. Like i did not being anywhere i think that's what i need is to not be anywhere that seems that seems really sounds good huh. Well yeah because whenever i'm able to do that whenever i'm able to kind of go inside my mind or have a quick moment of isolation it's the closest i can think of to feeling like a kid again because your your outer shell kind of disappears a little bit and then you can just kind of be. You know the kind of the kind of person that you were when you're really young right you just didn't give enough you do not give enough about anything i'm getting you know dammit i'm gonna walk around in my batman t-shirt with maybe no pants and that's just how this day is going to go down everybody. It's just it's pretty free you know it is and you know there's this first of all so i just to get a weird i know we're off on a weird topic but i'm always i could talk to you about anything anytime and you're so smart and insightful. Are you an agnostic that's always kind of picture to i am okay percent that's me and my dad was agnostic and he said the way he explained it was if you show me i'll believe you. Right like it's not a atheist it's not there is no god it's that kind of like what are you i'm not sure right. I think yeah for sure but i'm for me i would take it a step further which is also not seeking proof i'm not i'm not i'm not actively looking for an answer. I'm for me the answer it sounds very cliche but for me the answer is already right in front of you it's inside you you are. God and i and i and i don't mean to sound blasphemous to to folks who are christian or that sounds crazy but. Really that to me the the this is just for me the sad thing oftentimes about organized religion is it tends to make the person feel bad about themselves right in some way shape or form that they're imperfect that they're somehow flawed and through hard work and perseverance they can somehow make it to this. Thing or this place or this state i'm where i say i'm already there we're all we're all that we're all made from the same stuff and. This probably just very different than what we think reality is anyway and i just am doing my best at all times to be in the moment and appreciative of myself and aware of others in the. Kind of a nice good way is not what it's supposed to be that's it and i think that is god and that or you would get to the other side and god be like yeah you did great you know that's right right yeah you're me you're me the whole time you are all of us. Right because i keep because once you get into religion and rules and and i'm seeing it unfold now and like i'm you know i'm all woo woo and whatever is going on with the planet right now which i do believe there is some sort of metamorphosis or. I don't believe in the end of the world but i do believe in cycles and the cycle right now especially because of world politics is it's going to get bad before it gets better but it's so interesting to me one of my. On my predictions podcast where i have all kinds of psychics me in this other cycle talked about look out the born again christian movement Shannon at black bits for boots for everybody. The the christ the celebrity christian change and it was she mentioned cat Von D completely true went from tarot and make up to now she's born again christian. But it turns out jeff when you become a board again christian god tells you it's okay to save the money you made office eight and he doesn't want you to be uncomfortable that's all fine keep that. And then Russell brand now my favorite grifter piece of crap in the universe now he's he's god please forgive the women i raped for calling me out on it he's very he's there and now trump is selling bibles. And i feel like there's this weird like maybe that's the patriarchy pulling back but there's christianity is going to be the new grift and i know some people like it was the grift but there's good christians and good christianity but i feel like it's going to be the new. You're going to hell this is how we're controlling people again does it make any sense. Well yeah completely because i've thought about that a lot and yeah anytime someone is passionately going on about their religion and what other people need to do again. Not to be repetitive here but it's all projection it's all the inner turmoil in their own lives that they are projecting outward and it's there they're they're way of trying to make sense of the world. And so i used to just get a little annoyed by it and then later in life i just sort of like. I wouldn't say tune it out but it just kind of goes through me i guess so i just think therapy is the best thing for that person and you'll notice that the people that are the most passionate about it the most vocal on the internet. Are usually the ones that have somehow experienced a lot of psychological drama and trauma and damage. And so again it's just this this coping mechanism where i don't know really what's happening in the world and i'm scared and i can't really i can't take control over my own life and i've become i've been a victim or whatever so i need to somehow make sense of all of that so i've created this story you know someone else believes that same. Story and hey together we all were all believing this story right i'm and that's just a natural human are you know coping mechanism the scariest thing you could ever do is to just believe in yourself. Yeah my god it's just it's so frightening to people to just make a decision that day to do what's right for you and to do what's natural and normal and not worry about others and just be kind. Um i've been we do that jeff you're so good this is a the cult of jeff that's what the cult i'm going to be a can you imagine the worst cult ever because my advice would be go away and do your own thing thank you. I would i would be the worst most unprofitable cult on the planet nobody you can't i insist you don't follow me if you follow me you're doing it all wrong go away will you know that's so i'm gonna i'm gonna confess i'm a little bit i'm gonna take a break and then i'm gonna. Then i'm gonna confess hold on folks will be right back not even close the topic yet jeff but we're but it's great hold on okay hi i'm Becca i'm an energy healer in a session i use intuition and conversation to help people remove blocks and allow healing of all kinds to happen i help people with things like relationships making sense of their awakening process or beginning to heal chronic illness. My favorite thing to do is help people remember who they are i also do intuitive nutritional counseling which combines my experience as a nutritional therapy practitioner with my intuition to help you heal your energy related to food. I do sessions over the phone or on zoom if you go to my website and feel a little buzz of residence i know a session will be beneficial check it out by going to regenerative life farm calm and click on the energy healing tab because i'm also a regenerative farmer. That's regenerative life farm calm forward slash energy dash healing remember who you are okay so i'm becoming quite a bit of a jesus freak and a mary magdalene freak and but not a christian i am not a christian and i feel like what you just said is probably exactly what jesus was saying. And the statement i heard was christianity creates followers and jesus created leaders and i i just think that's like when i read the words of jesus they're like a really good speech like you just gave there's no like. Tell your neighbor to stop doing that if everybody like i feel like religion is about if everyone would just get in line and do the right thing do what i tell them which is the right thing then we'd all be fine but i feel like that like literally what you just said is kind of what jesus would say or is saying. And i feel like right now they're so much backlash in every way like jesus's real name was really a yashua or and god was really yow way and somebody else comes on they go it's the devil that told you god's name which i it's like. It's insane and i feel like i know you probably that's not coming up on your tick tock if you're on the talk but i'm like it's really getting crazy out there and and there's going to be. This is where war begins i think and civil war and i hear you my my tick tock is fish peacefully swimming in pawns. And rocket launches those are those are my two things so i'm either underwater or i'm going into outer space so those are those are my two jams but. You know when it when it comes to all those things you just said again projection projection projection right all all the. All the discussion over minutia and i'm right and you're right in this right and that right it's all it's all just people projecting in security again and. The thing that was a big turning point for me when it comes to religion was when i wrote excuse me wrote yeah i wish when i read a book called interestingly enough jesus and the lost goddess i recommend. Caron if you ever get a chance you know read read through that but it's not a christianity book at all like it sounds like jesus and the lost goddess just really the story of the nostics yes which was a huge religious sect that was systematically murdered by by the catholic church and christians. Because their message was what i'm saying jesus is not a real person that lived everybody knew back in the day that it was an allegory it was a way to get relatively simple minded people to understand the message and so jesus is really just you. And it's when you don't die on the cross you die to yourself you die to your ego right and then once you die to your ego heaven is actually right here on earth because now you are. All loving all knowing all accepting and you realize that you are in fact god and we're all god and so that is blasphemous but it's only blasphemous to people that want to control other people right you can't have a bunch of autonomous people. Believing that everyone is equal and all is bliss no you got to have people that feel like they need to go through the church in order to attain a reward that the church never has to make good on. So blah blah blah but that's that's really kind of what i've adopted is is that kind of amazing message which is him and chill out. It's all you you're good you know i find us this is a very very interesting and it's sort of a i did have somebody on the patreon podcast talking about that about how much we almost got it backwards that jesus or christ consciousness is what they would say which is not because also the idea of someone which i'll take it as christ consciousness or i don't need to know if he was alive or these were exact words or whatever i'm good with. I would like that book a lot they um i feel like the you're right the church is just trying to control everyone but i lost my place. Well i would say i would say that a whole other aspect of that though though karen is something that we were just sort of talking about or at least hinting at which is the shift in humanity from the feminine. To the opposite the opposite and so in the masculine to the feminine the opposite is well we the opposite so back in the day at back in the day guys way back you know spirituality was guided by more traditionally you know feminine. Symbolism and qualities and characteristics later on it i would say devolved into sort of a patriarchy and sort of a male dominated way of thinking. So it has a lot to do with emotion and insight and empathy and acceptance versus you know the more masculine side of things which of course is going to be more aggressive and exclusionary and well frankly warlike finger pointy finger pointy is what i'd like to say so. Really kind of the downfall of humanity has been that shift and it's not quite as simple as what you might be thinking if you're listening to this podcast it's not quite as simple as men versus women that's not. Right we're very we're very up on patriarchy matriarchy because there's a lot of women that are keeping the patriarchy alive to and men yeah yeah go ahead. No no that's it but that's a whole nother side of the book in it and it goes through history and it's really fascinating because. It really ties specific events that are documented in history much more so than some of the things that the bible you know claims happened but these are actual historical events. That that are milestones kind of in human behavior consciousness and just where we've evolved you know spiritually basically so really great book very good chance right i know i remember what i was getting to they actually say that there have been even before Jesus or whenever you know they're saying Jesus lived. That same story of the son of god death resurrection has been told many times that's not jesus you know the same yes the unfortunate thing for modern day christianity in the story of jesus is that that story was already told by the Egyptians right long before jesus. I'm and it's basically a savior came forth and it was an immaculate conception and he died and on the third day he rose again and he did this to save us from our sins so and it's not just the jesus story as told in the bible. But this is been told dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of times in multiple religions that are very different than christianity frankly throughout time and again many of them long preceding the quote unquote historical birth of the jesus that you know in the. New testament right so anyway ouch right right well that's your faith right my friend says. That the greeks kept very very clear records that they're what he says there was absolutely a person named jesus i don't care either way i think the. Like i said whatever the words are of this legend or person i don't think you get i don't think you get in trouble if you get to i think be a good person that's it and then when it's all over that's the put. You did good you know what i mean i'm i'm this word punishment system is not that's humans but i you know another thing that's interesting he says so he says no they've kept records and that happened. So that's interesting i would have to dig into that but also i don't i don't see the connection sorry i don't so i guess my point in all of that is. It that's great if there was a person name jesus and that person said that he was the son of god and that person was ultimately crucified right i'm sure that could have happened. But i guess the next leap is and he was the son of god and this is what god wants for us and this is what happens in the right and and so it's all these other connections and ends. That are impossible to prove it's a hundred percent based on faith and i guess what a lot of people try to do is they try to use the bible to prove the bible which makes no sense at all and and i my only response to that is there are a lot of historical references in comic books but as far as i can tell superman isn't real. Yes right so i don't i don't know that that connects for me logically but whatever that's a great thing they use the bible to correct and the other thing is bible the bible is written all by men and they took out the women's. Part and they also admitted that mary magdalene was not a. Um prostitute and we're still hearing that that's i wanted to watch the chosen in the first 10 minutes someone refers to mary magdalene as a prostitute and i was like nope all done thank you. I'm you know what else is like flat shaming doesn't have a timeframe i mean that's been happening right it's been happening for a long time and you know what else i don't care if she was a prostitute because i have friends that are prostitutes and i don't think any less they're great people there's somebody favorite people. But it's not a but the way they were doing it was not to say hey i know prostitute that's a great person it was a way to. Say hey you see that lady over there let's let's knock her down so a few pegs but i was shocked that that was the first thing i saw on the chosen which they say is very good but also there's a little known i've said a few times on this podcast maybe it's known to my people. But before 500 CE any picture or depiction of Jesus he was carrying a magic wand so i think there may have been this pagan person. Because that's what he sounds like with his words take care of yourself but anyways i think i still love that they use the bible as proof of the bible. Well yeah it's always in the bible it says this therefore it must be true and it's like well you. Documenting things that happen in history don't make the other stuff that's in the book true right so i am and by the way even if it is true there has to be a whole bunch of other things we have to take on faith right you can't. The heaven and the hell and the if you do this then this you know and all that to the other right that's a pretty big leap of faith literally. Yeah i think when i listen to people that have near real near death experiences it seems that very different from. What what the bible tells us a religion or whatever. I don't know it's very interesting time to live in but watch that that i'm gonna call it faux christianity or i think it has a lot to do also with all the celebrities getting in trouble and the other ones like put out but good for gave me. I'm so now i'm a born again christian and you have to forgive me i found this new audience over here. That'll listen to me that's kind of what it's like always love those loopholes the loopholes are always great to me because it really goes back to the fallibility of human nature when you're inventing a religion to begin with which is an oh by the way. If i want to do all these horrific things and live a quote unquote un christian life as long as at the last second right before i die i repent and accept christ is my savior then it's a get out of jail free card and boy the relief karen the relief when that was announced i can't even tell you. How many people were like hey this christianity thing ain't so bad alright yeah if you're doing horrible things they could just say i'm i'm in progress here don't try. Trust me what before i die i swear all repents so what you're seeing right now this is just me being bad but later on i'm going to repent you'll see it's almost like the Mormons where it's like and he also said. That i can sleep with as many wives as i want to that's in here also by the way i can do that now i know that may sound a little suspicious but no that's what it says that's what i was told i get to have sex with anybody i want to yay. Yes good worked out very well for the men almost all the time doesn't it seem like it does yes i do i heard someone saying the reason women take men's last name. Is because they did that they started that because then they knew who whose property she was. And i was like well there you know it's funny cuz i saw someone this is probably not. You know half a dozen of one six of another same thing but i saw a guy interviewing a muslim woman. And it was a gotcha right guy guy i proved it here i gotcha there's a lot of that and there's a lot of you to wait till you see how shocked they were when he said that. So the interviewer was a christian and said to the muslim woman. So in in islam you have to be paying for your sins and you have to make amends and then you're forgiven right and she said yes and he goes ha ha christianity we just are forgiven. And i was like i think i just became i guess i don't quite get the ha ha part right like he was saying ha ha your god is making you pay penance for your mistakes and mine is just let me off. Like it was really like my god is better like they're both it's almost like they're both made up but okay right right but i would you know the idea of karma or if you do something wrong you apologize and you make. Amends that that's i could go with that that sounds like just how a person should be and he was like that i know my god is better than yours cuz he's not even gonna make me say i'm sorry. And i was like right but i like but i like i think the guys on the right track your version of god and i get it man you know it's like a fantasy football team right he put together the players that he wanted for his team. And he's very excited and and those players are based on some people that are in reality but you know the team is imaginary yeah but that doesn't change that isn't change this guy's mind oh man is it's real you know. I'm also a professional wrestling super real you guys. But anyway i digress yeah it's it's hard for me to keep a straight face when i see people arguing about something that they made up. Yes yeah yeah that's that's a good way to say i'm i'm a little i'm like i said i'm a little more of a believer but i'm sure respect and love the way you i cannot argue your points. Because my point isn't that i don't that there isn't a god there might be a god right but i certainly don't know the nature of it i don't know what it is and i guess i'm just willing to admit that whereas other people are convinced. That other humans who wrote this down in a book who claim that they spoke to god are absolutely correct even though you've never met them i just learned recently because this is me not paying attention when i was a acolyte in in in in church as a kid that the disciples. I don't know why i didn't realize this never met jesus weren't around jesus hundreds of years after jesus. Um lived in different parts of the world and just heard these stories handed off like that game um you know telephone where one person says it and hands it off to the next person and they say it by the time you get to the end it's all messed up so. And yet as a kid going to church on sundays the disciples oh my god the disciples and wow the last supper just a painting. Well the apostles are different than the disciples okay so but still but still am i am i you know naive head i thought well the disciples that they said it it's like dude they're the worst sources you could ever imagine. It's not in a murder trial they wouldn't even be brought into court as even you can even listen to their evidence in court that's how bad it is so. These guys had nothing to do with the alleged you know life of christ again never knew him didn't live in the same area where it wasn't even around during the same century so we could be disciples you and me. I thought you could be whatever you want tell you what i heard and then you and i can have a battle on whose religion is better that's right yeah i i let you know it's funny because i probably i don't know but i do believe in the obviously everybody knows i believe in negative entities and negative hauntings and demons. And there's a lot of other people like there are no demons and there that somebody said to me there's no proof and i was like proof there's a god. And i then it got you we can't prove either i can tell you what i've seen and what you can tell me what you've seen but it's a yeah it's all it's a. Bad place to take a hard stance and get mad just be like okay like yeah all right that's that's good enough for me just fill is being a good person that's good enough for me. Well i think yeah and i think i think that i guess i just you know i almost treated scientifically which is only this it's not so much that i have to have proof it's just that i don't accept. Testimony from human beings who weren't actually there as anything and and by the way the book the bible at least the christian bible has been rewritten many many times would take it away from lots of. Lots of the witnesses accounts were literally thrown out some person who was not god got to pick and choose what what made it into the bible don't even start me on the king james version which is now a whole new political slant is put on it. So it's so far removed from anything that other ever happened that i think old testament we can throw that out because in that one you can murder everybody and own a slave. But in the new testament which apparently is like i don't know goes buster's part two or something it's just a well anyway it's a better that that's a bad example whatever movie was better on the second episode but even that one it's like which one which one do i believe now i'm super confused. Old god was super mean and murdered babies and children and flooded everybody because of what now and now the new one who doesn't judge anyone and everything's great and forget all that stuff we said before. Yeah sorry man you're losing me i think that was the i think i think it was eric schwan used to say that where he used to say he used to say how company he says yeah i think it was a play that came through and after the old testament people like that. That was really heavy i don't think you got to lighten that up a little bit of the second version was a little as a little better a little more i really felt better after the second you got it's right you're a little heavy handed in the first testament. That's right that's right but you know this is why i was a good place for a break i got to talk to you forever okay hold on folks will be back. Discover moon mom a shop and inspiring metaphysical enterprise rooted in grand rapids michigan founded by kenzie a gifted five one projector in human design this burgeoning business is a testament to her innate ability to read people. 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Okay this is why i really though your ufo work and even when you and i talk sort of conspiracy and i'm going to put that in quotes because you know what really happened i don't know that conspiracy used to be a dirty word i think it's right now it's beyond. A calming true it's it's a right here right i and you know it's just the other day and a lot of people think this that that that Kate midland the kate the whoever princess whatever her name is that she's a clone and there's my brain goes there's no clones and then i go wait just wait maybe we'll see if there's clones you don't i mean like. I would be surprised if there is that place where there's but your brain immediately goes i don't know that's not true then you got to go well. I don't know all these creepy people in the jeffrey Epstein's in the you know it's all just but your work with ufo's my friend tommy just joined mufa. The ufo he went to the ufo usual yes mutual ufo network and he said he was amazed at how much physics it was he was like there was a lot more math. Then i was expecting but that's why i really feel like the real when you really realize there were aliens or or shall we say it became more of a- i mean i think you you believe there are ufo's other it would be so i think it's silly for anyone to believe that we're alone in the universe correct. Well true because we know we now know that there are just millions of galaxies we now know that there's more than billions into the trillions of galaxies and if you don't understand what a galaxy is. Try to imagine that star trek was real and there really was an enterprise you know and that thing can travel eleven hundred times the speed of light when you get up towards war ten okay so traveling at eleven hundred times the speed of light. In that t_v_ series it was nearly impossible for anybody to ever really leave the known galaxy the only reason they ever did in science fiction was because of some were more something that just to show you how vast a galaxy is traveling at the speed of light you're not going to leave the galaxy. In a lifetime no way and that's just one galaxy with with with millions and millions and millions and millions of stars and planets now try to extend that out to billions and billions and billions of other galaxies and then. Tell me that on earth with zero information at your disposal you're able to tell me that there's no life in the universe i'm sorry you're getting i mean it's literally like a psychosis for someone to be that myopic now that said. I would love about the ufos and the aliens is that i just got done pontificating or at least it's probably what it sounds like about hey man prove to me there's a god and i have this very pragmatic approach and then two seconds later i'm telling you but i believe in aliens right sounds like absolutely the most hypocritical. You know i can see people that are listening at home right now literally with the arms folded nodding up and down going yep yep that's just what i was thinking. No i'm not my crowd but also i think there's more evidence of alien like i think there's really a really weirdly weirdly that's true but my my whole stance on it is only this. Yes i do believe just by the law of averages that there has to be other advanced intelligent life out there but i also was fascinated really at the end of the day. By the proof that i did receive that there is this mechanism in place that's been in place for 60 years to deal with this information and successfully bury it and to me that was what was fascinating was that i was actually learning from fed it people who are really there. How this works and so say what you will about aliens and you a foes but man there's a lot more to it than what people think and i'm only going by what's been shown to me and proven to me and another thing about that is now it's very trendy to believe in this but it was not. And these and you're talking about military people who are not ready to you know i don't know how else to put it they're not ready to just go out on a limb and say there's there's aliens they're the most cautious usually i think that's why when someone says even the police saw the UFO. The police have a little more credibility we hope because that's a person that you think of is not flaky but yeah but i mean i agree with you i once was talking to an astrology not astrology astrologer the stars and planets not the horoscopes. And yeah astronomer teacher astronomer teacher astronomy teacher whatever he's right he was very like i had a push him for him to say well there could be something and i was like you're telling me and all of there's nothing but us like that's so egocentric. And now we have a lot of shall we say movement in what's going on in the alien world don't we sure. Well if this people now starting to realize what i was able to interestingly enough figure out back in nineteen ninety nine by talking to all these government military witnesses which is that it's a just like you would think it's a mishmash of what's going on in our skies in some cases. It is stuff that we can't identify that's definitely coming from somewhere else. Whether that's from a different planet or even interdimensional which would have sounded crazy fifty years ago but that's actually a real thing. Or it's our stuff and the real slap in the face is that a lot of these things that maneuver and crazy ways and disappear and bleep out and bleep back in again and can do this on godly speeds. That's also our technology that we've had for decades that we never admit to and again just to summarize this the government that you and i know about including the president. They're oftentimes not in the loop this is super dark black projects money just shows up to fund them it disappears from the general accounting office every year you're going to see a report that says that we are missing billions and billions of dollars from the general accounting office and no one knows where it goes. And so that's how this has happened and we've had stuff that's pretty mind blowing for decades that we never admit to and a lot of the people that are in the top chains of command and executive branches they don't know about it either. So i know sounds impossible but there you go now well to me it doesn't sound impossible at all in fact that where they're saying things like the Simpsons are predicting things or. Is interesting by the way it is well i think information is leaked to have you know there's a bed actually there's a very funny well you would think it's funny but they they were somebody said and another theory that if we all create our own reality if we're living in a matrix and we all create our own reality. And they want us all to create a reality where Kate middleton is this is a clone you put it on the Simpsons and then everyone is thinking that same thought like it's almost creating it which is that is the interesting theory i don't know if i can go with that i like that no i get it yeah that's interesting i like that then that's a chicken in the egg thing you're like interesting yes yes because i do you know there is a lot of talk now and actual facts that the CIA puts a lot of money into certain movies going out. And you don't make a movie about the military without the military giving you the okay of what information you can or cannot say so it is kind of interesting that something might leak out like that. Or be you know they've really gotten us ready in fact that last war of the world where the with the tom cruise where the aliens were coming kind of out from the earth i found that very interesting because that was one of the last theories i had heard before that which by the way that was a great movie did you see that. Yeah no for sure i did interesting yeah and one of the things that shocked me when i was getting all of this you know documentary footage from military government. Personnel things like that was us so not us so us so is an unidentified submerged object and so just as often times as we see weird things in the sky the navy and other military personnel are picking up insane objects moving very quickly underwater. And then going to and from the water right so i could go into a million stories about this but anyway there seems to be some kind of a connection to an underwater. You know base or bases or the fact that extra trash drills are always from somewhere else they're actually here and there's all kinds of great places where they can hide and sometimes it's right in plain sight so there you go. Yeah and if that's also us i don't know if you saw all the other whales that are killing themselves or attacking boats or there's been a real change in sea life and they think it's the sonar or the sound down there that we've sort of turned something on that's making them nuts. So they're literally either killing themselves or attacking ships like they never have before so yeah the navy does test all the time and it ends up you know torturing you know animals like that that then beach themselves and freak out so that happens quite a bit yeah yeah and then we think it has to do with us recycling bottles for some reason people don't realize it but. If you were underwater when a submarine did what they call a ping a sonar ping if you were even close to that submarine you would die it would absolutely you know destroy you from the inside out that that's how bad those sound waves are so that's like being in a microwave right. Well yeah it's just the sonic version of one but i mean it's it's absolutely mind blowing how deadly those sonar pings are to marine life. You know it's no wonder i feel like we're going back to like get a farm and grow your own food and can it and get a water source. Your own food is definitely illegal to to if you do it at a at a certain level right i mean that's for sure it's very very strange how it will come down on you very hard i don't mean people to have a little organic garden so they can have some cucumbers and some cherry tomatoes for their salad but i mean people that are actually trying to sustain our god forbid. A communal neighborhood food source those are very frowned upon and it's very interesting i don't even know what the conspiracy is but i do know that it's shocking how fast that's clamped down on. Yeah any partners a communal food supply there's some sort of a bill in vermont that my friend sent me that they're trying to pass that is like you you can no longer build a home you have to build a green home whatever that means. And electric only electric cars by this point like i feel like it's not that word we are ruining the environment or the earth but i don't know that it's we i think they want you to think if you're not recycling your bottles that then you're ruining the earth and it's literally like five to ten companies in the military. Yeah that that's really the whole thing but anyways before we get any further or i run out of battery and the reason you are here jeff speaking a go and back tell everybody about your podcast. Sure so it's a podcast that i just started we have a couple episodes we're going to be posting one episode a week and so i have a friend that i went to junior high school and high school with. He is an encyclopedia of remembering all the all the things from the seventies and eighties that we remember but a long since for god like the names of stores and the weird things that we purchased and and who played who was the guest star on. Item twelve or love boat yeah right or i dream of genie so he i myself consider myself to be a pop culture encyclopedia when it comes to those two decades but this guy makes me look like a idiot and he's a very funny guy chris alveres so we decided to reminisce on what it was like growing up in the seventies and eighties and being what they call quote unquote a gen xer. Right where you would just disappear in the morning in your parents had no clue where you were and you have all kinds of gnarly things and oftentimes involving jumping your bike off of things no seat belts. No help in a couple cigarettes throwing firecrackers in someone's backyard and then coming back home with all your fingers somehow so. It's fun we we get a kick out of it he's got a great sense humor and it's called nice poll and i see in the word poll which is p u l l that's the little expression we came up with every time somebody can. Think of some obscure thought or memory from that decade we call that a nice poll and so again check it out it's on all the streaming platforms out there. We're having a lot of fun with that those it's it's been a kick now are you guys going probably not this probably would be his thing but are you thinking about doing a mandela effect one. Well i the mandela effect it would be interesting because we do often we do talk about things that are happening now and then relate them to back then so i could see where that would be a great thing to connect right because. That is the mandela effect this thing now used to be that thing then so i think you got a got a gold mine there care and we should definitely bring that up yes i i would look at a few the biggest one that i remember is as still first stove top stuffing do you remember that. Stove top stuffing yeah what was the name it was still first and i remember yeah yeah it wasn't there was no still first stove top top stuffing there's no such things. Do you remember edmick man delivering the check the big check from the publishers clearing house. I don't necessary now that's one right i don't know if i remember him personally delivering it but but but but but he did right. I would know apparently he didn't but i remember him standing there with the check. There's there's so many from that period there's one about fruit loops that i don't really i don't remember that i remember the difference with how fruit loops was spelled. Right i saw that one i just saw one too about fruit of the food of the loom underwear never had the coke yeah yeah but i bet there's a time the other the new one that's really weird to me is that member king tuts crown just had a cobra on it. Now it's got two things on it. Okay now that that i don't remember but i do remember steve martin song about that that came out back in the day yes king yes i don't know why i was me the the Egyptian stuff when i was a kid really was very interesting to me but if you look now at a picture of king tuts crown you go. There wasn't two things on there there's two there's something added on so i don't know but that would be exactly a perfect. If you figure out stover stove top stuffing i remember that distinctly because we didn't have that in our house we didn't have processed stuffing in our house and it was delicious at my neighbor's house so yeah well and let's not forget the baron steamed bears. See now i didn't know who they i don't know that story but i know that's a big one right. Yeah well yeah i was baron steamed baron steamed bears and then later on it it seems to have some more into the baron stain bears s t a i n and. Well it's just one of those things like all these mandela facts where you just scratch your head and go but i thought but when i was a kid it was you know so very interesting it would it would start to lend a little more. Credence towards this idea that you know thought does create reality and if there's enough thought in a certain reality that maybe we're shifting constantly through different realities that's always possible but i'll tell you. The day that i realized all bets are off when it comes to reality is the day that i read about you know spooky action at a distance which is a thing that's a phenomenon in quantum physics where. If you observe a photon it will act very differently than if you don't observe it and somehow the photon knows when you're observing it. Now this sounds crazy but it's repeatable one hundred percent of the time so think about that the photon the very thing that you rely on to get all of your information visually. Is reacting to whether or not you're actually paying attention to it boom i mean right there right there you should sit down and start to rethink. Everything that you know that is a wonderful place and my battery is just at one percent of Jeff Phil always a pleasure and maybe come back on in October and talk about the photon. I love it i also have some other great little fun fun stories from the paranormal psychic realm but i'd love to share with you will do that next time around let's do it everyone turn into his podcast you know jeff can talk about anything and be interesting all the time nice pole and anything else a website anyplace else where people should go jeff. I know that's it if you if you if you like retro sci-fi kind of fun power punk pop music i have a little band project called sonic descent d s c n t you can get that on all the streaming networks but i just think about spaceships and UFOs and kind of hard back to the 1980 so you're into that kind of thing check out sonic descent but thanks Karen it's always so fun to hang out with you thank you for letting me join. Always a pleasure jeff i hey everybody see on the patreon or see you next week thanks to mike at unarizing media and thanks to eric shunt bye everybody. bye bye. bye bye. (Music) (Music) [BLANK_AUDIO]
