Out Now With Aaron and Abe
Out Now 588: Trap
This week, on Out Now with Aaron and Abe, we're talking TRAP, and we'll find out which M. Night Shyamalan child gets the most punishment this Thanksgiving. Wait a minute, I forgot my introduction! We are now recording, and this is Out Now with Aaron and Abe. I am Aaron and Abe is unfortunately not here, he got cut up in some work, but he'll... Ideally, we'll be back next week, so we're going to proceed on out now as a film podcast where Abe and I discuss new movies weekly. We dig into film, be it was a spur for your review, the occasional commentary track or some other fun, booby topic. This episode, 588, 588, and then... Wait, mother of god! I know, right? And this week, we're talking TRAP! The latest film from director M. Night Shyamalan joining us to discuss TRAP we have from the Brandon Peters show, including the summer of 2004 at 20, some call him unbreakable, but I can just see a split ends at Brandon Peters. Hello, what a clever intro, man, that just had taken you a long time to come up with happy to be here to talk about TRAP! Also joining us from the outside scoop, an occasional writer for Puck News, he prefers his pop star concert musicals on ice, it's got the ice cream man Mendelsohn! That was a chilling introduction. Okay, thank you for that. How are you both doing this evening? I am doing very well. Doing good? Good. Good to hear from you both. I'm glad to leave done a summer of 2004 takeover for the Out Now Fair Internet podcast. I look forward to... Sometimes it happens. I look forward to what we invade Scott's podcast one day, and then we see which one gets the best readings for the type being. I'm excited to talk about this movie with you guys, I know you have thoughts on Shyamalan, but before we get to all that, let's get to some show notes. First up, commentary tracks. It's a new month, it's August! And we've been doing an international run of commentary tracks, new commentary tracks every month on this show, but for this summer we've going international, and we just finished up July with Chung King Express from director Wong Karwai for its 30th anniversary. This month we'll be doing Kiki's delivery service for its 35th anniversary, so stay tuned for that. Also, as far as bonus thing, go creep show. That is a movie that I am a fan of. It's directed by George A. Romero and Stephen, and written by Stephen King. We talked about that with Professor Mike Dillon for a special bonus horror themed episode in collaboration with Professor Dillon for a monster-palooza-related contest. So that ever shows you to be dropping sometime within the week, stay tuned for that conversation. That was a lot of fun to record as well. And what else, as far as show notes are concerned, well before we get to the big thing, let's talk about some other things, including iTunes reviews and ratings, it's good to get those helps out the show, helps people find the show to allow you on to iTunes or Spotify. You can search for out now with our name, you can give us a rating interview to be great, pop us up on the charts, get the attention of more people, and all that good stuff. Now let's get to the other thing before we get to the more stuff. The 12th annual summer movie gamble, where of course Abe and I, along with many other frequent guests of the show, including both Brandon and Scott, have predicted what we think are going to be the top 10 highest-grossing films at the domestic box office. And boy, has it been a lot of ups, downs, and continued ups for certain movies. And we had a few new releases this week, and I want to hear from Scott about how things did in a second, but I will just say, a trap, not the strongest that debuts, the $15 million. And we are starting to regret putting Harold in the purple crayon in the top three. Well, Deadpool Wolverine, though, made another $97 million, it's a $3.95 total. Meanwhile, Inside Out 2 is at $6.26 million, $100 million. So I want to know from you, Scott, does Deadpool have any chance of catching up with Inside Out 2 before the end of the summer? It has a chance, but it is a slight long shot, it had an excellent drop of about 55%, which is pretty great for a movie that opened with $211 million, but it's still a normal drop for a well-received 10-ball picture. These are Inside Out 2 or Black Panther-style legs yet. It did join the infamous $100 million Losers Club, which means it made at least $100 million less in its second weekend than it did in its first. And just running the math, day 10 total multiplier to whatever its final is going to be, if it has a multiplier alongside other Marvel movies that join this $100 million Losers Club, it's going to do about 1.5 times its 10-day total, which is about $590 million, or it could be as leggy as Ironically Spider-Man No Way Home, which lost $175 million less on weekend one than it did on weekend two. Yes, that was partially because the second Friday was on Christmas Eve, which means the film made, "I shit you not, a hundred million less on a single day from second Friday to first Friday." But still, it recovered and ended up being the leggiest such member of this club for a non-animated picture. So the short version of this is that possibly, but honestly, it's probably going to be closer around $575 to $600, I don't know where it's going to franchise be saved. And globally, it did very well at about 207 worldwide, decent holds, nothing catastrophic but nothing insane, and normal rate of descent, it's going to do around $1.25 billion, which is terrific, but that means it doesn't catch up to inside out worldwide. Well, I can only hope that two hours from now, people can hear more about where they can learn more about the box office of Scott Mendelssohn and people connected with them. But we'll have to wait and hold on to that information to really tease that one out. Let's see. So yeah, a lot of money being made over here. Not for Harold in the purple crown though, that's $6 million. We did not catch a fire. We'll pick a different color in the cramp box. Long legs though, again, still doesn't really matter in arc for the thick of our competition, but I'm just very impressed that it's at $66 billion, that's really good for long legs. It is taking a shot at passing everything everywhere all at once, which did 77, which would mean that the neon movie is out grossed at 24 is biggest grossing movie, which is mostly just for the sake of a pissing match. But let's just call it what it is, long legs is the sound of freedom of summer 2024. That is fair enough, I'll go with that. It's also on track to be the biggest, aside from the Batman, if you want to count that, the biggest grossing cops and robbers serial killer movie since Red Dragon in 2002, stands inflation, of course. I mean, that sounds like sounds of freedom to me. I don't know what we're talking about here, it's got to work. So tell me, there's cops, there's robbers, that's been made a lot of money. What am I missing here? I'm sure they're not for whatever the fuck happens in that movie. No, it did $4 million in its fourth weekend, which honestly, I think neon could have spun as a win if it did $4 million in its first weekend, but let alone, yeah, it's insane. And it's the kind of happy surprise that's why this summer movie season overall is going to be closer to 2023 than I think any of us were expecting, you know, we even a couple of months ago. Because yeah, traps could have slightly underperformed. But you think long legs, people continuing to go to long legs affects trap. I think it does, it's the cool, buzzy horror movie of the moment. And as much as I like Shyamalan and I like trap, but I wish to open bigger, there is something to be said about, you know, the kids of today showing up for something newer from a less familiar filmmaker that's slightly less conventionally commercial versus Shyamalan, who, you know, I love Shyamalan, we've been doing this for 25 years. Even though I'm not a good Perkins, it's almost the same age as Shyamalan. I do like the predicament that you've put yourself in where you have to be a fan of Shyamalan and promote it the best way that you possibly can. And yet it's doing the things that you generally don't want to see from block, but from potential blockbusters while long legs, exactly what you do want to see from potential blockbusters. Yes. Thank you for explaining the joke. Well, I wanted to ask you something, Scott, about your article today or what you've been saying about trap, it's numbers opening weekend where you're like, it's good for any filmmaker if you're not named at Shyamalan, but you also pointed out that the old box office opening weekend and knock at the cabin, and it's like right hovering in those areas. So maybe isn't this like maybe the new precedent for Shyamalan right here? It could be. It could be his new normal. I mean, to be fair, those were both adaptations for whatever that's worth. It's not worth anything. No one's looking at that being like, oh, finally, adapted, they adapted magic piece. The same thing, God, same thing. Yeah. I was like, yeah, it looks like that's a new, new norm trend because it's it's between them, right? Yeah. Yeah. The outliers in that scenario seem more like split in glass or split is the January opener. So it has the sort of esteem that a January opener can get to have a big opening weekend and glass is obviously its own scenarios. It's a weird legacy sequel slash sequel slash whatever. Two for one combo sequel. It's a dessert topping and a floor wax. Like those trailer was on everything too for like the longest time. People like saying James McAvoy and trailer. That's what I've learned recently. Oh, segue. I wish that was the segment that came next because that would be pretty fucking great. I mean, teaser, emotionally speaking, the hope was that trap, you know, had a great trailer and had a really neat book and it was his most by default, his most youth skewing films and split, which was really popular with the kids. Let's table this. I hear what you're saying, let's table this for the actual split trap conversation because I think there's more to discuss there once we get to who's and what and why it appeals. But for the time being box office, movies made some money. You can't complain there regardless. Yeah. Listeners, skip to one hour, 48 minutes for the trap discussion. All right. Hey, you guys brought it up, not me. Movie God. Love. Bear. Movie God. Let's get to the battle weekies. Or quicky. Tim. Here you go. Get out of here. Rusty. Yeah. Each one of our guests are loyal listeners who know the, know how this works and some lists, some have been around since 2011 and decided to still not know how the show works exactly all the time. That's just how it is. Yeah. Pretty much sums it up. Yeah, branded. What do people watch recently? Okay. I watched, uh, Horizon, an American saga part one. Yes. Okay. Uh, chapter one, chapter one of a book, um, no, you're okay for you. It is, uh, interesting. It's not bad, but I wanted to watch it and be like, those people call it a television series. Just guys, there's a movie are so wrong and they're not that wrong. Um, but there's, there's, there's good to it, but I like, I don't know, so, like, it's okay. It's a solid movie, but for something that's supposed to excite me to watch three to what seven more of these, is he saying like eight of these or what was he? I heard four. Then I heard. Four. Four is the goal. Yeah. There's three more, three hours, films like this. This isn't the spark to get me fired up to see more. Now the, the little trailer for the second one at the end had like some dude hanging off a wagon, firing a shotgun. That was cool. Uh, I was like, I would have liked that miss, uh, but there's, there are some good moment. Like I, I talked to Aaron about the one with the kid who played Vecna and Kevin Costner have a really great sequence in the movie that is, is awesome. Um, but we'll see. It's interesting. It's definitely ambitious, um, but yeah, it's okay. Uh, but the one I liked a ton, one of the, I think maybe the best movies of the year, uh, Ghostlight. I watched that. Oh. Yeah. The movie is. Wonderful. Mm-hmm. Holy crap. Um, seek out. Ghostlight. Um, it is an emotional journey. It turns Romeo and Juliet. It's like a, oh, it gives you a whole new light on Romeo and Juliet, the most tired Shakespeare thing. Um, and yeah, just an honest movie with good performances. Um, to be clear, it's not an adaptation of Romeo and Juliet. No, no, no. It just factors heavily into the story. Um, it just, it's a really good, uh, character piece on grief and yeah, it just felt natural. It's felt like this really natural film, uh, people with things, it's like a bunch of actors that you don't really see much at all and things. And it's just, this thing is just gangbusters, like emotionally and just, you know, you know, emotionally and just, uh, watching it play out, like, yeah, I, I just, I don't want to say too much. Just seek out. Ghostlight. I'm glad you caught up with it. Cause yeah, I did. I'm happy to champion that film. And if you like ghostlight, I'd say seek out St. Francis from the same direct, the same directing duo. That's also a really good one with similar kind of tone. Yeah. So yeah, that's definitely one to seek out. Um, but yeah, that's, that's where I'll put my, what I've seen. There is. Scott. How about you? Uh, I finally caught up with the much anticipated my spy, the eternal city, it's as mediocre as you and everyone else said, which is unfortunate because I frankly really liked the first my spy that was supposed to be code of theaters before COVID. And I think there's a huge, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's an, it's interesting exhibit of this movie is supposed to be in theaters versus this one was always going to be on the prime video and there's a clear, I would argue, there's a clear difference in production value and, you know, try hard determination and general grit. Um, part of it is just, I, I didn't particularly care for the character arcs. I mean, if part of the fun of the first film is him and the young woman played by Chloe Feynman, I believe Coleman, Coleman, sorry, this has an all lady, uh, you know, getting along and learning spy craft, well, this one, they basically almost hate each other's guts for most of the movie. And like, that's not fun. You were deprived of me of a thing that I came to see, um, the supporting cast is there, but very underutilized except Ken's young, they give Ken's young planer to do because if there's one thing, is that there's one thing that's comedy sequels need. It's more Ken's young. That's, but he's not allowed to be funny. It's like, it's, it's, it's, I mean, he's basically one of the film in Germanic arcs by default, which whatever, um, it's a choice, but whatever, it's, it's, it is what it is. Um, I finally caught up with kill, which is very interesting. Um, it's, um, there's a joke I want to make, but it's kind of a spoiler. So I'm not going to say anything. Um, but to say it reminded me of another very violent hardcore Lionsgate actions on that came out a few years back. Um, it's like, Oh, okay, that, um, but no, the action is terrific. It really uses the claustrophobic, uh, you know, train, sorry to its advantage. And although it gets repetitive after a while, I'd agree, yeah, it is funny, you know, it's interesting at first watching all the henchmen more in their fallen comrades. It doesn't feel like it's, it's tried to be taken and taken to at the same time, which I found to be kind of interesting in that regard. Yes. That's actually a good way of looking at it. Um, let's see, TV wise, I caught up with Batman, Kate crusader on Amazon prime video. I don't think necessarily the world needed another Rima hash of Batman, a series from Bruce Tim, among others, no less, but this is pretty good. Yeah. It is not a nostalgic, it's not nostalgic recycling. Um, it is more darker and more adult without being absurd. The violence is still plausible in terms of yes, people would still want to live here. And honestly, I would say the best thing I can say about is that it remembers, it remembers why Batman, the animated series has held up over the last 30 years, which is that the drama and the stories are small stakes, life-sized, scaled to earth melodramas, where even though I think there's more of an emphasis on cops and robbers than I might like, it remembers that the, you know, the regular people of Gotham are just as important as Batman and the super villains, which is something that Batman, I mean, it seriously did very well that frankly, a lot of the, the Batman and otherwise superhero cartoons that followed and split step did not. Yeah, I've seen the first episode I enjoyed, but Brandon, you've seen a couple more than I have. I've seen the first three. Um, I think it, like the funny thing is, I think it like tries to out know our Batman, the animated series a bunch, but, uh, there's some, uh, yeah, like like Scott said, it is, it remembers the detective work, the relationships around the city, um, with people, uh, the, the villain in episode two, I won't, I won't spoil that, but it's a, it's a really very cool take, uh, on the character's appearance, um, as a calendar man, Azudia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's him and kind of a king get together. Um, cause one goes. He's a score model now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my son, my son's been watching it with me too, which he, he, he, he, he, he, sorry. Yeah. He had rules. Um, but he got really excited because he was recognizing boy, he recognized the voice of the guy who plays like, I think Peter Parker in the Spider-Man video games. Yeah. Like Yuri something or other. Yuri say, yeah. He was like, I think that. Oh my gosh. And it was, um, but, uh, yeah, no, it, I, it's a recommend. I surprised. Well, this was like an Amazon dump off, but like quality show, I don't know what you're doing. Between, between that and what Mary, a little Batman, I Amazon apparently just picked up some Batman reigns and like has people work, I mean, it's Bruce Tim and, but JJ Abrams as a producer on this thing. Yeah. Raised. Raised. Raised. And bluebakers. And bluebakers like a salting producer. And you can feel it. Cause at its best, it feels like the really, really strong, oh, no man land got the run from Greg Rock. I had a bluebaker, a definite brace. But it's okay. Cause Matt Max has kite man. So DC's getting covered by every game. Well, that's the thing to answer your questions, Brandon. It was supposed to be a Max original and, you know, and Warner Brothers slash the Azloff basically sold it to a third party for money. And it was funny cause there was all this. Oh, how could they, like, they made more money selling it or leasing it to Amazon for cash than they would have gotten just being a dumb random widget on a streaming service. Right. This is how Paramount makes more money, makes more money on Star Trek outsourcing those reruns to other places than, you know, like with like the law, the Warner stuff you'll see on to be now too. Yeah. And Netflix. And Netflix. Yeah. And if you wanted to watch Deadpool and maybe electric, I don't know why you can watch it on Max currently. So. Yeah. Fair enough. Um, but yeah. Good show. And I'm, I enjoy that. I look forward to season two, but I think it does a good job of having a long running arc while having more or less standalone episodes Batman, the animated series and X man back on your cartoon just the way Scott wanted it. Yep. Just feelings. I can't think these things up against when I'm not watching it. Fortunately, it's good. I mean, these things are going to exist. These things can be good. Yeah. That does, that does help. I like when that happens. Um, anything else got another, um, trying to think a kill city. Oh, I saw the bike riders finally. Oh, yeah. I saw that too recently, which I enjoyed it. It was exactly what you expected to be, but it's a solid middle of the road character piece. Um, it's, you can tell that Austin Butler is genuinely almost excited to be able to play a star vehicle role where he's just playing a guy. You know, a regular person, you know, eccentric in certain ways, obviously, but, um, I did catch up with Maxine and how she doing, Aaron is correct and I'm betting he knew exactly when I would throw my popcorn at the screen. Yep. He is correct. Definitely. Um, yes, it, it, it, the third act reminded me of a, uh, third act turn that I think is one of the worst third act turns in pop culture blockbuster history that yet keeps being copied by other temples. Sometimes, you know, sometimes you're just the architect over your own destruction. Look at him. Sorry. Um, all right. I've seen a few things this week. New things. Uh, first up is the instigators. This is the second Doug Lyman directed film of 2024 and the second one to go to streaming, but the first one, he has a complaint about going to streaming. So he's got that going for him. Um, this is a heist film set in Boston. It stars Casey Affleck who co-wrote the film along with Matt Damon along with a lot of it's got, but what Ron Perlman, um, uh, honcho, uh, uh, uh, Toby Joan. Just like a lot, just like a character actor city in this movie. Um, I appear to be one of the, the few sides of people that liked this movie. I had, I had fun with this. Um, it's a, it's a very lightweight comedy. It's basically a heist that you see in the opening act goes wrong for reasons and Affleck and, and, um, Damon are just on the run for like the majority of the movie trying to like figure out how to get out of the situation. And once you kind of get the gist of their scrups and things are going to keep screwing up, you can kind of like, you can kind of figure like where things are going to an extent, but I do like the kind of breeziness of the film as a whole. And I think that comes from what Lyman's able to do. He is a good director. He knows how to inject style in the sense of momentum into his films. And for being a 90 minute heist comedy, I don't know what else I really kind of want from something like this. I think it's fun. I, I enjoyed this cast. I enjoyed Damon and Affleck together. Um, I had a good time. Uh, let's say I watch Twilight of the Warrior colon walled in. This is a martial arts film set in the eighties. It's about a kind of a slum like city that's literally like all like one like giant encased area. It's literally walled in. And there are various gang lords running this place and good people, people that come in are basically not allowed to come in and there's a lot of rules regardless is the big excuse to have a lot of really cool action scenes. Some wire work, some just just fucking cool martial arts action scenes. Samo hungs in this among other people and he's still fighting good for fucking Samo hung. He looks great. I love it. He's like knocking people of elbows and stuff. It's like, Oh my god. This is like, I can't specifically name like every single martial art slash actor that's in this movie by name and by like movie I recognize them from, but there's certainly a few in here and it's fun. It's a fun movie. It's a little long. It makes a couple of choices. I didn't expect as far as the kinds of abilities these martial artists have, but it gets the job done as far as giving you some story, giving you a reason to like go along with this whole deal and then just enjoying like the stunts and the martial arts and the mild parkour because there's a lot of verticality to this giant city that they're in and the, you know, wire work or whatnot. It's like, it was enjoyable, I enjoy it. And the fact that it's like 80s and not both either modern or a period feel like a like an ancient period film, I found that to be refreshing because usually if I see 80s set martial arts almost because they were made in the 80s, this is like we're choosing to make this in the 80s. Like, oh, that's neat. So yeah, I enjoyed that one. I saw Duchess. This is the latest Neil Marshall film, you know, Neil Marshall has once again teamed up with his, I believe his wife, at least his significant other Charlotte Kirk who co-wrote this one with him. It's like a Richie Light gangster film essentially with the brutality of a Neil Marshall movie. It's about a woman who is like a small time hustler that gets involved in a larger crime, conspiracy, forms her own kind of team to get some revenge on some people. It's fun. I enjoyed what this for a Marshall, for a Neil Marshall film Neil Marshall, your brand out of your fan of some of Neil Marshall's work. I enjoyed this one more than some of his other recent efforts. So it's a, it's worthwhile. It's like out of a movie that I know will appear on streaming instantly and I'm like, yeah, go for it. Watch it. It's fun. Speaking of movies to catch up with Scott Taro, I finally watched Taro because it's on Netflix now and so he's like, hey, we could put movies on Netflix right away if we wanted to. So I watch this. Hey, rot. This is the Taro card horror film. It's like if you hated Ouija here, here's this and, um, Taro organs of evil is to be fucking awesome. That's right. Well, see, you say this and I'm like, I feel like there's potential for a sequel or prequel to probably bring out from what this is doing because this does feel like the growing pains of a first movie that's like, yeah, dead teenagers, they each die one by one. There's nothing really special about anything of this except like the way they died, even that is PG 13. So does it really go far enough? I will say this does make me like really like appreciate what Jacob battle on brought to the Spider-Man films, even if they ripped off Genki and didn't call him Genki. He is very fun in this movie and a movie that does not call for much. He is very good comic relief and I've seen him pop up on other things where he's provided solid comic relief. So it's like, I appreciate what he's bringing to the world of young teenage film things. Like, I'm happy to see him continually being and stuff because he make he makes a movie that otherwise would be terrible and make my mistake. Here it was terrible. It's a bad movie. It's complete shit. Like, I wish nothing but the best with the people involved, but watch this like there's nothing here. Like, like, Brad, I'd be curious your thoughts if you eventually catch up because I know you're bigger on like the slide, like all kinds of slasher stuff that I this is like, it sounds like Tear No, what's really like, what's really here, there's nothing. But yeah, it's, you know, it's better than the stranger's chapter one. Oh, I guess the bars are really high either of these. This is more fun, I suppose, and it's also, it's not just a movie. I mean, it is a movie I've seen before, but with tarot cards, but I mean, it's not exactly a movie I've seen before movie I've seen before, but with terror instead of instead of playing truth or dare or using a Ouija board or any number of replacement replace me on Raker, but with tarot cards. I'd watch that. Well, here's to us. All right. So the other thing, I watched Rebel Moon, the director's cart part wanted to I'm not even going to bother to find the new subtitles they know I think one's like the chalice of something, the second one's the curse of forgiveness. I know that for sure. Um, Aaron, I know somebody had to. You clearly missed the lesson of both the last Jedi and both cuts of Justice League. Here's, you don't need to be a martyr to be a hero. Look, I do think Justice League, sorry, Zack Snyder's Justice League is marginally better than Justice League overall. I know some will say more than marginally. I'm, it's if I'm going to choose a Justice League, I'm watching that one. That's an easy thing to say. These Rebel Moon movies are underwhelming. There's not, there's not a lot to gain from them as far as, oh, now I've seen all seven hours of this, but it's amazing that the first part of this two part seven Samurai Obage is longer than seven Samurai. That is, that is insane to me. Zack Snyder was like, you know, you know what, you know what, your character as solid seven Samurai could use more. You know what, you know what, people loved about seven samurai. And that's all they talk about, but the link. Well, so and the harvest thing, apparently, that's what Zack Snyder took away from it. Right. Wait, wait, wait, please tell me there's more farming. I mean, overall, the problem is, I mean, that movie is an hour longer than the previous version of it. It's like, I assume there's, there's so, so I, is it called live three or are farm hard? Does it better that here, the deal that the problem. I would, there's no reason for the first version of this to have existed to begin with. That's my major takeaway from this, right? They're all bad. Like that's here. That's neither here nor there though. My issue with the fact that they made these PG 13 cuts is even if you love these movies, great. I hate the idea that Netflix like had a thing that is on its own, interesting as far as what if Zack Snyder made a sci-fi epic that Star Wars and seventh samurai, but he went hardcore with it. He got an R rated like, cause I haven't seen that, right? I haven't seen heavy gore Star Wars movies before, like that's not really a thing. Characters, you know, yell and fuck at each other while they're going into hyperspace. Like, okay. Do I need that? Not necessarily, but is that different than what I've seen before? Yes, absolutely. I, you know, in from that and, you know, with those level of effects and whatnot. So the fact that these PG 13 versions exist, it really robbed any potential of this breaking out, right? Because you like, remember, Scott, we were there. We saw the, the, the Egyptian theater showing of rebel moon part one and they, they're rolling out the red carpet for it, right? They had billboards everywhere. Then by the time part two came out, they're like, whatever it's on. And now this director's cut comes out and there's just no enthusiasm for this. And it's honestly, it's a shame. It's a shame that they put like, put all this effort into this thing and then like neutered it completely and robbed it of any excitement whatsoever. There's no interest in this anymore. Well, if it wasn't playing theatrically, why the hold up on the rating? Like, it's just, yeah. It's so I think they were trying to manufacture, you know, artificially manufacture some kind of sninder cut. Absolutely. And I think, you know, on its face, they were thinking, okay, instead of having one piece of content that runs three hours, maybe, how about we have four pieces of content that add up to like, and 11 hours of time, that'll be great for our, you know, length based viewership based rating systems. You know, basically they're trying to gain meals. And as far as, as would people watch these, I think it's another example that, you know, Netflix, maybe already about this later, I don't know, but, you know, Netflix, these just stop listening to the internet. Um, that's why they went and made, uh, hillbilly elegy, even though I think instead of, you know, they may have accidentally saved American democracy, but I don't think that was their end. Um, I mean, in terms of like, stuff to have that'll get people to watch it, like, I don't know if they just understand what the binge thing is for TV shows versus a movie. Yeah. Cause there can, they and Snyder, both convinced that volume is better, but it also, like the idea of it being in like chunks, there's like an objective there that I can see audiences saying when it comes to TV shows, if it's an hour show, they'll watch an hour and then maybe they watch more or whatever. But like at least I think they have the assurance that at least there's only an hour of this. Where if you tell me right up front and say, there's a three and a half hour thing of Zack Snyder in the abstract, that might sound cool to a handful of people, but everyone else is going to be like, I'd rather in my mind, I can make three hours of television make more sense to me than three hours of one movie, like that just, there's just, and on top of that, I've already seen one version of that movie that I didn't really like that much or at least didn't find it any different than any other generic Netflix movie of the week. Atlas comes to mind. Why would I watch this, this thing, like I don't like, what am I spending my time on? I can watch SVU again, so it's, this just feels like a giant debacle. And I'm happy that Netflix is saying, we're going to stop spending this amount of money on stuff. Although I feel like they've said that before. Let's see what, let's see what that leads to. This is, this is, I kind of have the same, like when the, when Amazon dropped the boys and they're like, here's the first three episodes and I'm like, Oh, well, hold on. That's a task, you know, like, I, I, but a movie is like, well, this is my one. I'm sitting, I don't know, maybe I'm reverse, but we usually when they, when they load up, like when a full season comes out, if you're not like the bear where the episodes are like 30 minutes a pop, I'm kind of like hesitant to start almost. It's weird. It's a weird thing. And I can agree with you. And I'm speaking more to, I think like the, like suits, like shows that you're already familiar and comfortable with where you can sit, where you can take like, yeah, I'll watch like three of those right now as opposed to something new, which is yes, it could be like, am I forcing myself to watch this? Like it'd be a part of the water cooler conversation. That's a different, that's a different stuff. Rebel moonwater. All, all the people do do that, right? People, you know, it's like a squid game. Let's get on that right away. Let me do that. Let me watch whatever the hell, you know, like there's plenty of those kinds of shows too. But, and I, and I hear you, I, I mean, I'm a movie guy, like I don't really watch him. I don't binge TV show. That's just not my mind. Does it like, I don't work that way, but I do prefer what, I mean, I watched both these fucking rebel dude, so you're the rebel moon fanboy of the bunch. So yes, I've seen all combined hours, herbal dudes like get, I get, I deserve some kind of aid. Couldn't even be here. Cause that was his, that was his thing. He's still watching. That's right. Yeah. Tonight was his night to walk to fit it in. So you guys in your rebel moon fanaticism, yeah, he had RMD circled on his calendar for a long time. So yeah, I'll ask that's bad, particularly without being too highfalutin about it. I mean, it's, to the extent to which Netflix is alleged, they're going to stop making these giant mega budget pictures and possibly stop making a lot of other more expensive pictures from other better filmmakers. And it is a shame that, you know, Zach, you could argue that Zach Center almost broke the model. Well, Bob, I think I will say I'm more excited for horizon two than I am the rebel moon to that I haven't still watched. So I'll say that folks. All right. Well, that's our quickies. TM. Thank you. Let's move on to our M night Shyamalan this weekend. Oh, wait, not this segment. Okay. Sorry. I'm segment ahead every time. Let's get some trailer talk. We talk about the newest movie chairs of the week when it's come out, we'll have you. We got a threesome here this week of trailers because why not and hosts and I've been, and I've been sitting here on some of these trailers for a bit now. So I figure why not let's get into this. We got a sequel to three equal and a remake. We have smile to terrifier three and speak no evil smile to his, of course, of all up to smile, the surprise box office hit from a couple of years back. Once again, has director Parker Finn on board. He's brought on Naomi Scott of what Aladdin and power Rangers, but it's a famous pop star who is found herself getting near the smile curse. Whatever. It's kind of hard to explain what these movies are about is like, it gets involved in the smile bullshit. Yeah. Stuff happens. Okay. Instead of tarot cards, it's smiling, you know, that's how it works. Terrifier threes, of course, Damian Leod's third entry in the terrifiers here is once again, Fusion Art the Clown as the hardcore murdering psychopathic clown who is now found himself on Christmas Eve, wondering where his cookies are. I think that's the main plot of the movie. And speaking of evil is a remake of a, oh my God, it's a Danish, that's right, Danish film from a couple of years back. It's very recent. It's from bum house. It has James McAvoy and Aisling Francois C terrorizing scoot McNary McKenzie Davis of niceness in some kind of a psychological nightmare that's unfolding. I've seen the original speaker, but have neither of you seen the original at this time? I have not. I plan. I think I have. Um, okay, so I'm curious of the three of these. I feel like I already know the answer, but which, which is the one that you're most interested in. Terrifier three. Terrifier three. Okay. I figured as much. So yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're a terrifier fans. Why? What, what, what, what's this third terrifier are you thinking to do for you? I'm on a hyper terrifier to so that's where I'm, I feel like they are in a, and I'm only going off terrified to terrify three could be awful, but I have a feeling, I feel like David Leones found something he knows it worked well enough with a terrifier to and he's going to be on an ascension here creatively with the terrifier movies. And this looks, this is a great trailer, by the way, it's got a cadence that reminded me of Scream twos trailer. And it just, I'm just like, this looks just like a myriad of nightmare and it looks like he's capturing doing new stuff, but kind of capturing the weirdness and cool vibe he had with terrifier two. Because the terrifier one, I'm just kind of like, okay, that's a movie I saw. It's really gross. The guy's kind of funny. Terrifier two is just swinging. And I, I saw it, I didn't see it in the original theatrical run. I did see it when it got re-released last year. And that was a lot of fun to see with people in a theater. And just people are like real big fans of this frickin franchise. And I love, I'm one of you now. So I just want more of what worked with the terrifier two, I'm glad they brought the girl back from terrifier two because she was a lot of, she was a nice discovery there. Lauren Lavera. Yeah. Lauren Lavera. I'm just ready for some more madness. And it looks like, I feel confident that this thing's going to give me what I want. And the next outing, like I think he knows what to give the fans, but what the fans want from this allows him some of the like super creativity outside of it. So as long as he's giving them like these ridiculous kills and creepy art stuff, he can be gonzo bonkers like we go to space next time we can go to ancient rope like he do whatever. And still deliver. But I think we're on a path of like just terrifier movies that are going to pick up steam and more people are going to hop on board. It's kind of going to be like almost, I don't know if it'd be like fast and furious like where at some point it's still delivering the goods. Yeah. At some point it's still delivering what you want from those, but people are like those weren't good anymore like you only jumped on a hype train. And now you're just like you don't deserve terrifier X exactly something like that. But yeah, so I'll just shut up about terrifier because I'm pretty excited for this guy. You're a fan of these because of your kids, right? Yes, exactly. It's my nine year old's favorite movie. No, I had seen the first terrifier when it was on Netflix and I think, okay, this is basically yes, all men, the movie, which is yes, all women, the movie and that's fine. But it's like I when I first heard they were making a second one was like, Oh, did they just fit themselves into thinking it was popular because it was popular on Netflix for like a week when it was out in theaters. But I ended up in contact with the producers who sent me a screener and it is too long, especially because it's 135 minutes or something like that. And the excuse was, Oh, there's so much character development and all that. And that's true. But most of the character developments in the first hour of the picture, the second and third acts are still pretty damn long. That being said, it was a better picture. It was a better made picture. It was a better acted picture. You have Laura Lavera, I believe is her name. You have a potential marquee character, not just as the villain as heroin as well. And that's commercially to be very viable. And I'm glad they weren't dumb enough to hide her in the trailer. I mean, she's not quite front and center, but the next trailer is for. She's literally the first thing you see in this trailer. Yeah. Yeah. They know what they're doing. And yeah, I'm a little concerned about being overindulgent because now they're like, you know, now our shit smells like lemons, that kind of thing. But oh no, worst case scenario, terrifying three is as good as part two, wha, wha, wha. Commercially, I think it could be a breakout sequel in a sense that, you know, the previous film has certainly gained an audience both in its initial theatrical run, which did a ridiculous $10.5 million in September, I think October, October, November, 2022, which was one of the biggest grossing quote unquote unrated films of all time in the post NC 17 era. And they're all cheap. This was like, yeah, I was so much crowd funded, right? Yeah. It's partially crap. But it is. And this one, I think it's got $5 million or something, but it's at most. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a good thing. I mean, it's, that's right. Yeah. It's working. Yeah, not a lot. Jason Patrick is here. I'm not sure what that means other than, I remember when he was being. He's hard as dad. Okay. He's already tried his chance at number two, now he's like, let me try a three. Let me see if that works for me. Oh, well, it's this can't be much worse than cruise control. So yeah, I mean, you know, the film speaks for itself. I like that they're doing a holiday. So it's more than just, oh, it's another one of these. Now you have, you know, holiday gimmicks. And do I think it's going to be any good? I have no idea. Because again, on the one hand, Air Fire 2 was very good, but they had something to prove. And there's always a concern when you are, you know, walking on cloud nine, there's nobody to say, you know, there's nobody to give notes, but whatever, it looks like a lot of fun. You know, I like everybody involved and it is fun seeing a new supernatural horror villain come to prominence, because I honestly can't remember the last one off hand. Listen, maybe I mean, make it there's there's there have been a number and there's only ones that people have enjoyed. I honestly, I'm with you as far as I like art, the clown, honestly, like it is something that has really worked for me in a way that it's not even that others don't. They just haven't stuck with me. I don't think about the new Pennywise. I don't think about Megan. I don't think about Annabelle. I don't think about the fucking crooked man, whatever the hell don't think about you. Yeah. So I don't think about the board of Ouija. So the cards of terror. The vibe I met, I do think about for other reasons because I just walk away. So like, yeah, the fact that there's one that actually does stick with me for like both scary and hilarious reasons, I think is effective and like the right kind of effective. So that's why I'm fully on board. I'm just seeing more terrifier stuff. And yeah, it is the kind of thing where I assume they'll just keep making these. So yeah, even if it's not great, it's like, okay, what am I going to lose here? Like, it's just gonna be another one and maybe it'll be better. That's that's that's that's horror that slasher one on one with this kind of thing. It's like, yeah, right? There'll be another one. We'll see. But to get a little bit of time to these other ones, I don't think any of us were a fan of the first smile. Well, not mistaken. No, it's super vanilla average was smile are I'm trying to remember was was the first it was it was it wasn't already a movie race. And I assume this will be too. I am curious if like Parker because I didn't like smile, but I think elements about it worked. I don't think that's a unfair argument to make. Yeah, he has clear filmmaking talent, and I'm curious to see what he does with a bigger budget and a bigger scope. He does. And he made Kyle Gauner not a bad guy. So I was like, well, that's a that's an ambitious choice. Yeah. I did like that Kyle Gauner was like on a break from scream where no, he was on a break from smile when he made scream and seen that that that's what it felt like. Because he had to say it likes raggy facial hair and everything. It's like he's just going to the other Paramount set to film his quick bit and scream before he gets killed. He comes back to playing like a cop that understands the smile. I do. I mean, we're talking already this week about a horror would be set with a concert. This is like they always got plays like a pop artist and everything. That's fun. I guess like some I don't like the smile curse thing is such a weird thing because one of those Christmas where it doesn't play fair, so you're just like, whenever it happens, it's going to happen. I guess we'll see where that goes. So I can only hope that there is room for growth, I guess, and what smile can offer. I'll tell you this, smile to for a movie. I was like, man, on the first one, smile to made me looking forward to it. Like I, I, you tell me smile too, and I saw the trailer. He's named me Scott helping it out because she's easy on the eyes, but like, there seemed a lot, there seemed to be a lot of cleverness to this trailer that and a different vibe to it than the first one that I kind of like this approach of, you know, let's, let's just start fresh with the whole new story. That's completely different than what we had before. Yeah, I'm not dreading it. I can agree with that. Yeah, I'm sitting there being like, I'll see this. We'll see what happens. Yeah. And yeah, the first one I, I sort of recall because it's a little hazy because it's been a minute. I don't think about it, but like, I believe one of my issues was, why is it so dark everywhere they go? Like everywhere they walk, they'd ever turn on a light in the room. It's like, yeah, the light note, guys, and so it's really a paramount loss fell. And that's, that's part of my wonder. It's a very, because like, what's her name's Susie, Susie Bacon, she'll bake him. She just, she like lived in a nice house, but it like looks so bare. So this movie by nature of having, I assume a larger budget, it looks like there's actually stuff in the, in the, in the movie. So that's, the movie starts out. You wouldn't think it's smile too when you started the trailer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For a second there, I thought they, oh, did airmount get a like a lady Gaga concert film or something? Okay. Um. And lastly, speaking of evil, I don't want to like talk too much about because I, I am so curious what this version will do because the first one, or the original one does some deliberate stuff that I'm not sure this movie would necessarily go for. But I'd be curious. Well, I'm, I was sometimes doesn't, uh, doesn't hold back what they're, feels like they're trying to be like, Hey, did you like split, come see this, like it's playing on that, like you like to watch James McAvoy lose his shit. Come watch this. I mean, kind of has that same thing. You're not wrong. And I mean, those movies, like over 200 million worldwide each with James McAvoy. So it's like, he's not an unproven player in the horror realm. I mean, and I like, I like Mackenzie Davis, um, I feel like she was in jail. Like I haven't seen her in anything in like a long time. I don't know what she's doing. Who's like Jacob. They have a break. Like there was, uh, there was that Terminator and then she was like gone. There's a few like blockbustery stuff and she had that show, um, station 11. That was on max. Ah, that's right. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, there's whether it's COVID things or strike things. There's always like delays and stuff these days, because there's like that what happier season, right? We've heard Kristen Stewart that came out, but that's four years ago at this point. Yeah. I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. But all right. So we've done this long enough. Smile two arrives in theaters October 18th. Terrifier three arrives theaters October 11th and speak to legal hits theaters next month, September 13th. Now we're go to October battle. It's too busy. Everyone scared of art the clown. Even jigsaw was scared of art the clown. Yeah. They moved to 2025. Yeah. Yeah. I'm playing this game. Fuck this. All right. Let's get to our main review for trap, which was on the police everywhere. I'm not supposed to tell you know, to put you. That freaking nut job that goes around chopping people out the feds heard that he's going to be here today. So they set up a trap for this whole concert to trap the watch and all the exits to check in. Everyone that leaves, there's no way to get out of here. I've never felt this before. I feel that should have been some of the trailer for trap. At this point, we're well past M night Shyamalan's Dower period as his last decade has found him refocusing his efforts by going smaller, financing his own features and finding commercial success along with critical favor, more or less. This has led to a first look deal with Warner Brothers, affording the director a bit more scale to work with. And this has led to trap, which asked the question, what if sound to the lambs Buffalo was also a girl dad accompanying his daughter to the era's tour. Josh Hart and stars as Cooper, a dorky dad who has taken his daughter to a sold out lady Raven concert and he happens to be to also be the notorious serial killer known as the butcher. Entering the concert Cooper notices a lot of extra security only to learn that it's all part of an elaborate sting to catch the butcher. That said, the police still don't know what he looks like just that he'll be at the concert. Will Cooper be able to escape? And more importantly, is his daughter going to have the best time ever at the concert? Scott, I want to know where have you been with the recent Shyamalan crop of films? What do you think of trap? Well, as long as they're not related to unbreakable, in any way, shape or form, I've been quite fond of letting a run of Shyamalan films. I love the visit. Not only was I think that the visit was his quote unquote comeback, I think it's one of his best pictures. I also think it's his very best plot twist in terms of world fuck. And obviously I've been a lifer, I saw the sixth sense at opening night, me a month before leading for college, and still one of my favorite pictures of the 90s. And I've been fully up down, up down, I mean, I didn't hate the village. I've come to respect the happening as its own just bonkers bananas would have had a budget kind of movie, which, and intentionally or not, I think there's a certain, there's not happening as unlike any other movie ever made, probably then or not. But yeah, I'm not going to pretend that it was all, you know, it's, it's, he has been sort of chasing the ghosts of those first three studio pictures, six cents unbreakable and signs for 25 years, more or less. But I do think especially after comes back with the visit. It's a commercial, artistic success, everybody says, holy shit, he's back. And then he does what he's always been threatening to do and makes unbreakable sequels. So to be fair, split was not sold as an unbreakable sequel. It was a nice little whisked epilogue and the film wasn't that not remotely a success because of the unbreakable connection because it's showing up to the movie because it had you know, three teenage girls being kidnapped by a hunter James McAvoy as a disassociated monster man. That's cool. You know, that that was, and that's kind of what I was hoping trap would be in terms of commercial impact in that it was this most used skewing film since split. And a quirky premise of, you know, a gee whiz dad takes his kid to a concert and oh, they're all trying to get to serial killer. But wait, he's the serial killer. And daddy daughter date I'd be saved. And it is the kind of just goofy, ridiculous drama on present, you know, premise. And I think the film more or less delivers on that. I think of anything he's almost holding back in two ways that would be vague because I mean, there's a lot in this film that the marketing did not reveal to their credit. But he's almost trying to avoid twists for the sake of twists, even when I think the film sometimes needs a kick in the ass a little bit. And this may be the lightest, most kid friendly, a wholesome movie ever made about serial killers. There's, I mean, yes, it's PG 13, but this is the kind of movie that would have gotten a PG in the 1980s. And there is a certain lack of viciousness. And that's okay, but you know, Shyamalan can be a son of a bitch when he wants to be. And you get to the point where you realize, okay, this film is holding back in a certain way. I'm no longer as on the edge of my seat as I otherwise might have been if I thought that this filmmaker could shock and upset me. That being said, his last two films old and not the cabin were very bleak and almost angry films that were very much made during the COVID pandemic. So this could just be a palette, a palette cleanser. Also with partially a, you know, glorified commercial for his daughter as a pop singer and or potentially an actress. So, you know, maybe he was holding back for that extent. That being said, as a just a A to B to C, you know, adventure thriller, whatever you want to call it, it's fun. It spends maybe the first half on the core premise and then goes off in different directions. And in the moment, it's relatively entertaining because I don't really know what story turned the movie is going to take next. The biggest compliment I can pay is that my wife was annoyed that she had to use the bathroom in the third act and that, you know, and while I somewhat have reservations about the film in retrospect in terms of the choices it made and didn't make in the moment I was very entertained. And we are certainly at a point now where M. Night Shyamalan has very little left to prove. You know, he's no longer being held up as the next Spielberg. He's now just Shyamalan and in a more harmonized Hollywood temple atmosphere, it's even more valuable for a guy like that, who is very unique and has his own very specific sense of quirks and extricities and idiosyncrasies and fetishes or whatever, to just get as much money as he can just vitally afford to play his own little toy box. And is it one of his best films? No, but I had a good time with it. All right, Brandon, where have you been with Shyamalan, as of late? What do you think of Trev? As of late, he's bounced back for me in a way I never thought he could, you know, like making some good films. The visit, yeah, Scott's right. That's a really, really good film. I like split. I didn't like last. Old was interesting. You know, it's not a good movie, but it's an interesting one. And then I really like knocking the cabin quite a bit. That's a really, I think that's a movie that's going to get of his that's going to get looked back on him. Yeah, that was, it was awesome. Trap, I was very excited for when, when I read like the, there was like a press release about Josh Hartnett starring in New M Night Shyamalan film about, Shyamalan film about. And I was like, oh, that's, that's incredible. So this movie is like already winning at its concept. The trailer delivered. The movie itself was, you know, it's kind of what you think, but you're kind of surprised at how it is. It's, it's very chase, thriller aspect more than it is grim, dark, does anything that's dark in the movie kind of gets a little bit of a humorous play to it that I don't think I like about this movie to that Shyamalan is leaning into is it's a movie that doesn't fear playing like a movie and making decisions because movies make decisions like that. It probably helps with the tightness of the parameters with which this is set. But I think it kind of like has some glee and just playing with movie stuff. And there was some stuff. It kind of was reminding me a film that kept coming up. My head was Scorsese's Cape Fear kept coming up, but in a happier way. And I had a lot of fun watching Hartnett get, I think Shyamalan in this had fun writing him into like the most impossible corners and trying to see how he would navigate it here navigate it there, have again. And you know, he kind of gets to an extreme with it, but that's part of the fun with the movie. And it's that reversal Hitchcock thing where you're like, I'm not supposed to be rooting for this guy at all. I should be rooting for the cops, you know, to get him. But I kind of don't want to see them get him because I want to keep seeing him, you know, maneuver throughout the stadium. And all sorts of things with it. I liked Hartnett quite a bit in this one. He was really like his kind of like scatterbrained and weird. There were some weird deliveries that I'm like, yeah, this is a psychopath thrown off caught off guard, trying to improvise and, you know, they reveal some personality traits about him throughout the film that's like, okay, this is making like, you know, some of his behaviors are making a lot of sense here that I really liked as well. The concert stuff works because like the song with Shyamalan's daughter wrote these songs and perform them. And they they're not bangers as much as they're to where they're like, distracting you in the film, but they're working for the audience and kind of going that way as well. But no, I, I, I had a quite, quite a good time with this one. I, I, yeah, like it was like a ride that I was like, oh, we're going to have to end at some point, but I'm having fun. Even if it doesn't, I got to a point with this film that I was like, even if this doesn't like, like, stick the landing, I'm happy enough so far that I'll be forgiving for some other things. So I did have a lot of fun with trap. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's like top tier best Shyamalan, probably not, but it's definitely in the good pile somewhere. I have, uh, more or less like the recent crop of Shyamalan films. I agree with Scott. I'm not big on the, the, the, the, the East Rail trilogy as it, the, the second, the latter parts, whatever that thing, I believe that's what it is, like the East Rail, some number trilogy. Um, but no, I like the visit. I like Magic Beach fair, well enough. But I think I thought knock at the cabin was his best films and signs. I, I really like knock at the cabin quite a bit. I agree with that one, Brandon. I just really felt for what he was doing there. And so, and like honestly, I think in the journey we've had with Shyamalan, I've certainly come to appreciate his brand of weird, the things that make him stand out as a filmmaker. I don't think that necessarily makes his films automatically good, but I certainly appreciate that all of them feel different from things around them. I may not have much care for a lady in the water still, but I do appreciate that it's, its own thing and nothing else is it happening? I'm a little more forgiving of because that was just bug nuts crazy. So trap, I, unfortunately, I think the least of the three of us on it, because I didn't care for too much, but it's really more of a coin toss because there's plenty of stuff I like and it, things that you guys have already talked about, most, some of the things. And it does, like I just mentioned, have that sort of Shyamalan weirdness to it, even in a film that feels the most commercial he's made in a while, as far as what the book is and what he's going for, it still has his sensibilities and things that I appreciate about it. And yes, Brandon, you're like, it has a lot of scenarios that I think are clever as far as what would happen if you put a serial killer in this scenario, what's the move there? That stuff I think works well, and I do think the first half or so of this film gets a lot of goodwill for me because it's playing around with the setting we're in and what possibilities there are. I think a concert or any kind of like stadium, open air kind of arena setting, I don't think we see enough of those in horror movies are through. And we have a lot at this, we have like a good number, per se, whether it's sudden death or any number of there's a sniper somewhere movies, but like, yeah, a concert's a good cool setup for like a horror flick and we need to see more, more take advantage of that kind of a space. And then yeah, there is a, a latter act of this film that I, my issues, most of my issues I think are there and it's not because of a lack of trying to do something interesting because I do think it's interesting and I like the conceptually was trying to go for. I just, I wasn't getting excited by the time by after a certain point. It was neat to try to be vague, take on new challenges for Cooper, but it did feel like it was spinning its wheels a little bit and that there's a lot of false endings. I like Brandon, I hear what you're saying as far as when you know, I don't want to get off this ride. I kind of was like, we used up on the ride a bit. I'm fine here. Like that's where now none of that would be an issue. I think if here's the controversial part, I liked heart net more in this movie, but I honestly didn't really and it's a shame because I like the idea of giving heart net an opportunity to shine in a lead role like this in a juicy role where he plays a serial killer and it's not really something I found a way to identify as far as why it is I'm not liking heart net here beyond it just didn't click for me. In a subsequent viewing, I'll be more in tune with what he's going for. As I've said, I've embraced the shine a lot of weirdness as far as how he tends to write his films and how he has characters perform his lines of dialogue or whatnot. So I wasn't like unwilling to give heart net a chance as far as like wanting to see what he'd do with the lines and whatnot. There's something about how much he's performing for me where Brandon, I can respect what you're saying as far as like, yeah, he's caught off guard. So he's acting a certain way or whatnot. It just felt like a couple degrees here or there might have made a difference for me and how much I appreciated what heart net was trying to do here. And it just if that if that element of the film, which is, you know, the character we're following through the majority of the movie, if that's not clicking for me, then it's hard for me to say I like this when I was having a problem, a problem with the main character, let alone how it shows to wrap itself up. Was it the close ups on the face that directly addressed the camera because this movie was chock full of him, like, just like right here addressed the camera? No, and now this is cinematographers, Sam Buu, Mook de Prom, who I believe worked with a lot of Nino in his last several films, yeah, Suspiria, Challengers and everything. And like Shyamalan, he's like a tech fukamoto guy for a little bit there who did Silence of the Lambs and, you know, that stuff movie that famously has a lot of let's put the think, you know, camera right in the face, that's like, I feel like heartened it facial expression wise, but he's not talking. I was I was buying the kind of he has something hidden, you know, the what's the what's Dexter's thing. The the the the evil passenger, whatever, the dark passenger, yeah, I bought that I bought that mode of him. It's more of him interacting with people like whether it's like the mom of the other kid or whatnot, where it always felt like, and I've had this issue of other movies to where I know he's a killer, they don't know he's a killer, but if I didn't know, I'd be more than just a little worried about like how this person's portraying that you just like this guy seems like entire like I would tell somebody like this guy seems like other is there a serial killer out there? Oh, there is. This guy seems pretty suspicious. Like that's the way he's acting and I agree in terms of, you know, I enjoyed the picture, but even, you know, Wendy said, you know, there were many moments the film where he seemed to be choosing the path of most resistance and making himself incredibly conspicuous in a way that didn't feel organic to, I don't say logical because who cares, but I mean, it didn't seem to further his motive, you know, what he was actually trying to do. And so yeah, I think it was some of it was sort of getting to the sake of acting, if you will. I thought it was fine, but I also think he's a perfectly old a performer, so I wasn't, oh my goodness, he can act. Um, yeah, that's it. That's it. Cause I agree. I don't, I don't think this is necessarily out of, you know, it's, and I've seen plenty of praise saying this is heart and its best performance ever. I'm not against those that feel that way. That's great. I, I don't look at heart and then think like I didn't know he had it in him, that kind of thing. I was like, it seems like something he can do. I just wish it, from my perspective was done a little better. I don't know. That's a good phrase. And yeah, I mean, am I, am I nuts to think that the film plays it a little bit safe in terms of, especially in the second half maybe, cause I mean, there's a point where it looks like that it's, and I'm being vague for obvious reasons. There's a point around the halfway point where it's like, you think, Oh my God, is he going to do the thing? Holy shit, if he does the thing, this movie is amazing. And then they don't do the thing. There. That's a good point. And I want to know what you feel about this, cause that that was my other hang up per se, for being a film about a serial killer and whatnot. It's not that I need to see grisly things to make it all work for me, but I never really felt a sense of danger with this guy who's literally called the butcher and has been doing this for seven years, apparently, I, I never felt like there was a danger here. It certainly felt like there's this aggressive guy, but I never felt like scared of this person. The worst thing he does is that there's a, uh, there's an injury in the stadium that he causes two injuries in the stadium that he causes. One of them is, you know, movie logic. They kind of had a coming so you could almost sort of root for it and they do set up other characters or is like, you know, I'm not going to assume this isn't something that happens. This isn't the spoiler. But it's like, oh, if this character is horribly murdered, that will be okay. But it, it, it, it doesn't even take the shots that it sort of sets up. I think his part of it, and we don't see, and part of his idea of not doing it on film is a character trait that is revealed as a flaw with him. And hence the movie fits that a little bit because it would be a little bit out of the ordinary. And maybe that's maybe that's the top out. That shot, Shyamalan has with it. Yeah. I hear what you're saying there. And here's the, like I'm trying very hard to not like dissect this movie based on the logic that I'm coming up with instead of the movie's own logic, because I think if you think about the butcher for more than a couple seconds, a lot of his stuff falls apart to me, or at least just like, I need more to like build this out because it's, you know, it's trying to be kind of in the moment thriller, which is what you guys are responding to. And I respect that. And it's bumping up against me. So I am trying to go off of this as to how did I respond in the moment with this movie and ultimately, yeah, I just didn't like, I wish there was more tension. I wish I liked Hartnett more, I wish it didn't feel like it had 14 endings. Like that's why I can boil it down to why I didn't like this movie as much as I would have liked. But there is other stuff here that like works like you mentioned the concert a little bit so far. I do think it's unfair to call this movie a kind of a glorified like, you know, advertisement for Celica. Like I do think the. Oh, not a criticism, but I do think the work of how we're showing the concert, it's entirely from Cooper's perspective, which I respect like it never like strays too far to be like, now let's have a music video for three minutes. It really does try to like give you the concert from this dad's perspective or at least hold you a far and not single it out so much that it feels like nepotism on stage essentially. We can get, we can, you know, does Celica have more of a role to play later on in the film? Yes. And is that the most effective force of the film questionable? But I do think the way it presents this kind of concert, I mostly liked I was a little taken it back by the fact that they have paper tickets. I'm like, what year is this, but there's a lot of stuff that someone who's been to plenty of concerts. I'm like, how many, how many concerts does M night Shyamalan been to? I was as someone who has not been to many concerts. I was asking the same thing as I'm like, you know what? This is his creation. Yeah. This is a movie that's setting its own rules, its own how it plays. So I was going to, I was like, okay, and this is for a general person to see. So it can't be hardcore, how concerts can work and stuff, but I let it go. I mean, I have to think ticket master would have put in their private mercenary. I mean, just shot the guy. Do you guys, do you guys think that this script was there, wait, wait, the genesis of this idea, do you think possibly came from potential unbreakable world ideas? Because I could totally see a scenario where David Dunn is working security at this concert. And this whole thing, and also with how it ended, I was like, huh, I wonder if this at some point could have been part of an idea in his head, maybe he didn't write the script till now, but I'm like, and it's in Philadelphia. I mean, most of his movies are around there, but like it just the fact that it has to do with security. Where is she? Yeah. Security at a concert. Yeah, maybe think and the type, you know, a guy called the butcher being there, you know, like I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few like strains of DNA left over the unbreakable world where he's like, I could throw this butcher character I've had a mind into this movie. Like maybe this is one of them. And then he did split instead or so, you know, like something like that. Yeah, I can, I can buy into that. But with the era's tour being so big now, then he's like, Oh yeah, let's go with that. I, you know, I think his daughter is an excellent singer. And she, I think to the extent that she has to act, I think she's fine. But I do think the film would have been better if it'd been a weirdo yankific concert. To be fair, you say that about most movies. That's true. Yesterday should have been about some guy wakes up, but he's the only one that knows you weirdo yankificus. I like Titanic, but it would have been fun if the banders are placed by just weirdo yankovic. What do you guys think of Cooper's daughter, Riley, played by Ariel. I thought she was terrific. She was very natural. She was very, you know, she held her own, you know, while her heart, and that was basically chewing scenery and open it back out again. And not wrong, um, the human centipede of scenery too. Pretty much. It's, it's, it's, and I think frankly, the film, I don't want to say the film loses something, the film changes when she is not as front and center as she is. I agree. And that's, you know, it's these kinds of things. That's why it becomes a coin toss because of like there's so much of this that I do appreciate, but then it's like, it does kind of like the movie does kind of like go a little too different in a direction that I would have liked. We went to like, what happened to her? Like she's gone for a big chunk of the movie at the point. Yeah. And I guess there's a, there's a way that that obviously that works for some people. And that that's fine. As far as it's, it's, you know, it's taken you place you didn't expect or whatnot. I could appreciate that, but I do think that there's something about that relationship that's he to enjoying this more as far as what she doesn't know versus what he knows and how that's going to play out. And I feel like we don't get too much of a, I don't think the final beat between them is as earned as it could have been if we were to stick with that relationship more. I also think the more it strays from the core circumstances, the more conventional it becomes in terms of being a relatively conventional thriller. And I think that may be part of, you know, a lot of why dissect the cinema score grade, you know, C plus isn't awful for a horror film, but I do think if you came to see it expecting to see a feature length version of this, and yet maybe only half the movie is this and the rest of the half is something else that I would argue is less unique and less different than, you know, the genre overall, then that might lead to some dissatisfaction. I appreciate that it pulls the rug out under you a little bit and then it, you know, it's not okay. Where is this going? Where is it's going? Or actually because Aaron, you're right, the entire second half is wouldn't fall sending after another. You know, I'm, I'm not, I'm torn on the one hand, I like that it goes in the, in unexpected direction in terms of the film you think you're seeing. On the other hand, it goes in, I think a less interesting direction where the most interesting thing about what happens from much of the second half of the film is that because it's not in the previews, I didn't know what was occurring. If that makes sense. I know we're being vague, but Brandon, I do want to hear your thoughts here because obviously you like this more than we do. And it seems like you at least enjoy the kind of where it goes on a stronger level. Yeah, it's just, it's just, it's a, it's a, I mean, becomes like a, a taunting kind of cat and mouse game that wasn't something I was expecting with the movie and takes it to just a, a competitively tense situation almost. And you just don't know, and, and I think also one of the cool things about it. There was a, there was a touch in a situation with a character to get out of a situation that felt modern and kind of smart on Shyamalan that didn't feel like old man trying to write something for kids. I vote. You mean it, I agree. And that was really neat. I think the ultimate resolve, yes. The problem I run into is I don't know how certain characters would be allowed to be without anybody else except themselves in these situations. It's another thing again, where like I'm trying not to question the logic too much, but there's a character, there's a character that would absolutely, I think, have a lot more people involved than just themselves and one other person who's like, I'll stay outside. And it's hard. It was just really hard for me to like wrap my mind around this being the, how we would get here. But you know that the people in the movie at that time don't. And when you see the situation, it looks safe and happy. It's just, there's, there's a lot of swallow, I guess, and I'm sure I was trying. And there's tension. I can, I mean, there's effective tension in some of those moments. In the world of celebrity today, I just, I was, I was, I was going to be to buy certain circumstances. I mean, I, I mean, they, they tout, this is like this big singer, but it's a small ass concert with a weak ass stage performance. So I can't think she's like 20,000 people, 3000 men. By the way, what an awful, awful plan. You literally get it like, what are they going to check the cell phone histories of every dude at the concert and not take like six hours? I am very curious what the parent traps, Haley Mills had in mind as far as going after every male at the cut or like whatever, like, I want, I want to know what the list of criteria was and now granted it's, I am a lot, but I'm still curious, how much racial skewing are we doing on some of these people we're, and now to be fair, the security that we're dragging random dads away, there was a pretty equal opportunity to look to all the dads that were being dragged around the way, so I'm like, all right, I guess, I do want to know like what the logic was like, was as far as what, that's not because I don't even need to think of it as a flaw in the movie side, I'm just curious like what the actual plan was as far as a sting operation to catch someone we do, we don't know. We're just going to find all the some of the dads, which dads, why these dads? Well, the thing is like, heart and its character also, I was saying, I'm like, what, what's going to come up in questioning that he's just going to go on, you know, like what would he like, yeah, like what I would like to see like put to the point of having to be interrogated to an intense degree, if he couldn't like hold that in. Yeah. And that's why I kind of felt to a certain extent that a lot of his shenanigans were more trouble than it was worth, you know, I, you know, again, as you said, I don't want to question the logic blah, blah, blah, because we're not, you know, trying to plot watch, but, you know, at some point, like maybe the easiest thing from do is just to leave the concert when it's over with the giant mass of people racing to do their cars. Uh huh. Well, that's why I don't think that we should tell me he's been doing for seven years. That makes me think he's very good at this solution, panicking the second something like this happens. If they say like, yeah, he's been doing it for like six months, but he killed like 12 people. Cool. All right. Yeah, I'm a lawyer man. So like he would get the benefit of the doubt too, a bit, right? If that, yeah, if anything, he could walk right out that door and be like, Hey, guys, I want to you like, well, that's like, I was, I talked to somebody. They were like, you know, you know, this movie is like, but like if you had, if you cast him as a black man, this movie would not work at all. No, like there's, you know, like, yeah, there's so many things with the cops and security that would not go that way. So yeah. And travel, that doesn't like really operate in that way unless it's, I guess, Rufa Sewell after mid-sized sedan in old, but aside from that, he does seem to have a sort of universal world presence. Like the clear as I could think of that is, I don't know, Shyamalan in signs as the man who killed Mel Gibson's wife and Mel Gibson doesn't strangle him once. So I mean, that's, you know, I mean, I'm sure that was part of it. And David Dunn kind of sort of racially profiles have been unbreakable. Yeah. But he was right. But he was right. He was like, but I'm Catholic. Yeah. And I mean, you know, giving him some better to the down, I think he very intentionally cast actor who looks like Hartnett because he's at least aware of the, you know, the optics. Yeah. Yeah. He's also like six foot three. Like there's a lot I think that's interesting casting. Again, I wish you liked it more, but I do appreciate what he's going for with that. That's, that's something. And the supporting, you know, I think Shyamalan always knows how to get quirky performances out of his supporting players. The, we have what Jamie via the, the, the merch, the merch salesman. He's a lot of fun. Yeah. He's a lot of fun. I like seeing, I like, I like that they had just enough of him in this movie and he's going to get work off this. That's cool. Yeah. But Jonathan Landings, like he's a, I think a Canadian. There's a lot of Canadians who've filmed in Canada. He's a Canadian comedian. But yeah, he's good for him. The mom of the other kid, Jody, right? Jody's Jody's mom. Straight enough. Strange Jody. Yeah. The best scene of this movie is when, is when Riley gets something good happened to her and the, and the girl Jody who was like bullying Riley or something, right? That's like their whole deal. Their friends and not friends anymore. She's like, she sees Riley get something good happened to her and she freaks out at the bomb. That was, that was fun stuff to that little girl and family. Don't worry. Don't worry. He said, one is going to be a whole big thing come Monday and I would have enjoyed more of Haley Mills just being crime solver is even though I do think the film was very subtly aware of how goofy, you know, the whole profiling system is compared to, you know, it felt like it was parroting like a movie at the time, like, like, yeah, it was in something else and they were, you know, like it was doing stereotypical gobbledygook tech talk with her and stuff that felt like it was trying to go for gravitas, but it was kind of humorous at the same time. You know, I thought that was very funny. That being said, you know, Benny Buckley. I, so for one thing, having watched me happening, I forgot that that old lady is Betty Buckley in the half. I didn't realize that. So he's really worked for a lot at this point, also, also like the opening credits. I'm like, it had Alison pill and I'm like, watching, I'm like, did she, where's she showing up in this movie? She went in the trailer, went in nothing and then, oh, it is because, because I, for whatever reason, I just assumed, oh, the dad's taken his daughter to a concert. He must be like a widower or something and like, yeah, I see what. And I was like, oh, no, nevermind. They're talking about the whole family. But yeah, hey, I have a question. Haley Mills, I know that she's in parent trap and that's the movies clever joke, what not? Ha ha. Ha ha. It does. Is she like, I'm sure she's known for other things, but like, is there something like do you, do you, would you recognize Haley Mills beyond a movie telling you that it is Haley Mills? Because I, if I just saw this woman, I wouldn't think that's Haley Mills from the parent trap. That's not a thing that would come to my mind. No, in fact, I, I did not know, I did not know who that was. No, that's fine. It's a, it's a, I know, I know it was a Betty Buckley and I'm like, she must be busy filming imaginary. I mean, she's awesome in, by the way, she's not, she's terrible in that movie. I don't know. She's awesome. She is awful at it. She's amazing. She should have won an Oscar for fuck's sake eventually. It's still this year. So she's still the time to be to get that eventually. Do not forget Haley Mills was also in that darn cat. Oh, how could I forget? Obviously. But no, I'm starting to pop up with the credits of Betty Buckley's lander. I, I only knew because I, I had like the, the photos for my review ready and I'm like, okay. So there's going to be like an older FBI lady in this. Who's that? And said, Haley, I was like, Oh, okay. And then I'm like, Oh, okay. I see what you're doing. Clever son of a bitch. What else? I know we're trying to like dance around stuff and I don't want to get into spoilers for this movie. If it made $200 million likes Deadpool did last weekend, we could talk spoilers all we want to, but it didn't. So I do think it's shot well. It shot on film for one thing because I'm on to do a digital for like the past couple movies now. So it's like, oh, back to film. That's neat. I'm not spending my own money on film. Yeah. It's like, hold on. Hold on. Another thing is I think the film cost over under 30 depending on who you ask and it certainly looked like his biggest movie since happening probably. Yeah. It has a scaled well, I mean, the last year film obviously, yeah, airbender and after earth. After earth. Yeah. But it was nice to see him get, you know, more than one location and more than, you know, a handful of major characters and, you know, yeah, it felt like an old school movie movie. Um, I'd squeeze you a little bit better. I forgot that kid cut. He also shows up as, oh, that's right. He's got a great yeah, um, but a friend of the show, Jeff Ewing pointed out he's, he's his new favorite, um, Targaryen, which made me laugh quite a bit, but yeah, kid, kid cut he has just enough for like, okay, this is silly and I just, and apparently I think Josh Hart, he directed some of kid cut his music videos. Like, oh, there's the connection. I guess. Oh, okay. Scott Mascouti to come on to the M night channel on show. Here's a question I have before you wrap up the review. Um, friend of the show, Richard Newby, uh, he saw this. He was a great big fan of it. And he pointed out that he felt that this was shining on his darkest movie. And I'm curious. Do you agree if this is shining on his darkest film, uh, no, no, did he, did he write an essay about this? Cause I'm curious now. Not as of yet, but he tends to write things later on. So I mean, not going to cabin felt darker than this. Here's the art because I got into this argument with him over Twitter, uh, that he believes that the optimistic hopeful messaging that those movies ultimately, that and magic beach ultimately have is what outweighs it where I feel like the circumstances that we see take place in those movies far outweigh whatever final coda that we get in said movie. Mm hmm. I mean, I don't think he was going to care if we spoil old three years later, but I mean, basically all of the characters die and there's nothing anyone can do about it. It's a very Stephen King type situation where, yep, this got all full things going to happen and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. Mm hmm. If only they had shot at a different fucking store, um, anyway, um, unrelated, I guess, is that, you know, one of the fun parts about the quote unquote, I'm back of him, that which I'm one of the last nine years, is that he has killed me as a become an absolute blast. Yeah. It's good. I like him in this one. Yeah. I mean, they've been very knowing and winky and just douchey in a very enjoyable way that I appreciate. Well, this one, I think, honestly, like his performance felt like really genuine, like really, like when he's first talking to, to Josh Hart, it's like, I was like, it's sounded like a real guy would, you know, it, it was the dialogue was on point. And then he was, he was quite good there. I'd actually agree that I felt like the dialogue sounded the most natural between those two when they were interacting with each other. Like it, you know, it had a certain kind of he's convincing him that they're friends now and that, yeah, that worked for me. And I mean, this would be a fun exercise to rank the active performances of him, not my channel on, I do think, let's see, what's he in the sixth sense? I always forget. The doctor. He's the doctor, right? Yeah. He admits that he cut down that scene because he wasn't happy with his performance. Yeah. But I feel like the guy, that's right, because I feel like the cutting actually enhances that performance because he cuts the right bits. And so he's actually better because of that. That's how editing works. He can make a performance look great. The magic of movies. I mean, jokes aside, I think he's fine in science. No, I think I would argue that his best, you know, his, there's like one word cameos or whatnot in the happening or even knock at the cabin is one of the funnier. Oh, yeah. His old and art in the cabin, I think, are just taking care of fryer salesman. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Those are in prime. He's just fucking with his mode. Yeah. All right. Well, I still don't want to delve into spoilers. I'll be curious with that. Hey, that's to say next week when he talks about this movie, maybe we'll do like a night or something where we can delve more into the what happens in the night's night, sir. But how do you figure? Yeah. Oh, we would have a good title for it. But thank you. So with all that said, what do people see trap? It's currently playing in theaters everywhere. Scott, why don't you people see this movie as soon as possible? Because even though it's not my favorite movie, I mean, we need more. Genuinely unique filmmakers who still have the capital and even if it's somewhat self-funded to make me decently budgeted genre films that are either original or new to you adaptations that can sort of stand out on their own and that that's, yeah, he's still worth champion. Champion. Yeah. Brandon. Yeah, I mean, I would say theater too, go to Matt and A. I had a full sold out screening and it was fun to hear the reactions to stuff as it went along for people in the audience. So I would say this is this one and this looks pretty big. He gets the concert scope down pretty good and so that's a fun with it. Were I to be like in this drastic minority, I would say seed in a theater because chances are you like it more than I did, although it does seem pretty split, no pun intended, as far as the reception both from audiences and from critics. I do think dollar theater, Matt and A is showing I think is looking good. I always want to champion sing original movies and certainly something from Shyamalan is always I think worth a while regardless of how you react to it. So no, I think overall there's stuff there that I certainly liked. I wish I liked it more but I wasn't huge on it. If a friend comes knocking at a cabin, that's a sign you're not too old to go see trap after earth. All right, it's happening. It is happening. Let's move on. That was our review of the trap. Now it's time for what time is I think it's time for games. Bless the ears of Aaron Pruner you know, you can pre record that just, you know, have that black. That's not fun at all. It's a different song every time and then like what we pre record the outro so we have to say that every week, Scott, you sound stupid right now, I have a game for you guys this week. It is called Come on, baby, do the twist. It's a tagline game and every tagline is going to be a movie that either features a twist ending or a movie where people dance. So there's two kinds of films that I'm going to read taglines for. Fred 13th, the final chapter better be in here. Not big. None of us all that matters that much. What's the twist in that one? No, Christopher Glover dances, dances. Oh, that's right. But yeah, so basically there's just two kinds of movies here but I'm going to read you tag You have to guess what the tagline is. You think you know the answer. Say your name and then the answer. All right. Here's the first one. Okay. Not every gift is a blessing. There's multiple tags on some of these. Okay, fine, Scott Scott, the gift. No, it's not the gift. Okay. Just check it. It's a gift. Have a twist. I get. The Jason baby one is that I feel like I has a less of a choice to then say maybe what would anyway, I mean, I have more taglines. I could read other taglines. All right. Hold on. I get a guess. Right? Yeah. Yeah. If you want. Yeah. Brandon. The first Omen. No. Here's here's a great more taglines. Can you keep the secret? Oh, this is Scott and Brandon. I'm not good at this. I'll read the lot. Because there's more. We have 13 of these. Is this the same movie as the blessing one or is this we moved on to a different movie and you didn't give us the answer for that. I didn't give you the answer. This is the still. This is still number one. This is still the same movie. So it's a blessing. Not every gift is a blessing. Can you keep the secret? Okay. Step up 3D. No, just kidding. I have one more tagline. One sight, two sound, three smell, four taste, five touch. Oh, Scott, Brandon, the sixth sense. The sixth sense is the correct answer. I think we are. I responded to myself. Who knew it'd be a shaman movie to kick it off. Right? They're all going to be it. Watch. Here's the next one. The only person you need to be is yourself. I'll be impressed if you guessed the movie from just that because that's like so vague. It's a very generic tagline. Let me see if I can find some trivia on this one. It's a 2000s film. I know that. 2001 film. Sorry. Oh. Wait. Was it was it be yourself? The only person you need to be is yourself as either someone dancing or there's a twist. It's the last day. Oh, indeed. Brandon. It is. It is. Let's see. Let it go. I know. It's got you also came up with the last dance and that bovics. Is that? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay, here's the next one. Here's the next one. People need it in the year 2022. Here's a here's a different version of that tagline. It's the year 2022. People are still the same. They'll do anything to get what they need. And they need blank and I mean, I'll put it this way. I feel like you can assume this is probably one of the twist movies. Every twist movie is movies that are very well known for being twist movies, Brandon. Brandon. Soil and green. Great answer. 2022. Okay. What's the running man? Is that 2022 also? I don't know. It's like something like that. Hey, it's reset. Yeah. Go and pal running man or what's an egg or a 2017. It's barely. Really. It's earlier. Okay. Here's the next one. Have the time of your life Brandon Brandon, dirty dancing dirty dancing is the great dancing. Not ever winded that summer though. It's a rough movie. I should just point that out. Here's the next one. Sooner or later she'll see them than everything will be different. All right, Scott got the others see others is the correct answer. All right. That's what I was about. Cross my mind here. I was like needed to sit on it for a second. Scott's on the board. Okay. The blanks are the answer to this movie song is blank is a secret blank is a mystery blank is a killer rock. I know this one and it's not. I know this. I know this. Yes. I've heard this one before but I'm drawing a blank. It's an ensemble cast or mid 2000s. Oh, Scott Scott identity identity. Yeah, damn. I'm I'm a little below before like, yeah, starring JFK's Prude Taylor Vince. Here's the next one. One kid, one town, one chance Brandon, Brandon, but loose, but they're just on top of these dance movies, which one here's the next one. Somewhere in the universe. You know what? I'm not going to read those two obvious. I'm going to read the second one. I like this because I like the second time that's fun and unusual and important motion picture from the author of the bridge on the River Quai like that. That's a selling point. You should see like I am that's her key words. It's using. Okay. I'll read this. I'll read the first one. Somewhere in the universe. There must be something better than man. Oh, Scott. Scott. Plan of the apes. Plan of the apes. Oh, okay. It's an unusual and important motion picture. I don't know if you knew that from the author of the bridge of the River Quai. I know, right? He gets around. Wait, is it French? Was the bridge of the River Quai French book or something? I perhaps. I mean, the ruins and the simple plan is the same author too. So things happen sometimes. I don't know what it's all right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Here's the next one. Every second chance begins with the first step. Brandon, Brandon, step up. It's step up. Yeah. I see all the skateboards. But it gives the dance. Well, this guy gives the choice. I have a couple twists up my sleeve. Okay. I know. That's why you're wearing flannel. Um, they kind of intersect. Anyway, the music and feeling go on forever. All right, here's the next. Here's the same. Here's the same movie. "Blank" is still the word. Brandon. Brandon. Greece. Two. Okay. Thank you for the correct answer. It's Greece too. That's great. Sorry, Scott. Wendy's disappointed in you this week. Um, no favorites for you. Here's the next one. Three more. Five criminals. One lineup. No coincidence. Got it. Brandon. Oh. The usual suspects. That's correct. Okay. The show, man, and Kevin Spacey, your dynamic duo, and our multiple Brett Radner commentaries. Don't forget about that. Here's the next one. It's Hercules. The crime is clear. The truth is not. Mm. Let's see. What clues could I give for this one? Roger Ebert, I believe famously gave this film zero stars north. The brown bunny. What else? It does have a twist. This doesn't help at all, but I like to say Nicholas Cage is a producer on this film. Okay. Let's see. Is it the final film? It's the final film of this director. What's the tagline again? The crime is clear. The truth is not. It features an actor that we don't see in movies anymore. Not for dead reasons, but for other reasons. It deals with a debatable topic in the realm of, let's see, it deals a capital punishment. Put that out there. Oh, shit. Scott. Scott. The life of David Gail. The life of David Gail. Wow. Okay. I was like spaces in this. Yeah. Here's the last one. I just want to be perfect. That's the tagline from the movie Brandon Brandon is it flash dance? It's not flash dance. Scott Scott, black swan. It is black swan and a dance movie in one. Wow. Now, the game is very close and there is a winner, but there is a bonus question and it's a very fun one. So I want to throw this one out there anyway for funsies. I've never actually gotten a prize for many of these games in last 11 years. Your address just keeps it gets lost. Yeah. Okay. There's two taglines for this one. This is all for fun. Let the best moves win is the other one. If you want respect, you've got to take it clearly is a dance movie, but nothing's coming to me. Um, Scott, you've got served. It is. You got. Oh, there we go. You've got. That was a tremendous, a commendable, a tremendous, a tremendous fall up there, Scott, but Brandon, you are the winner of come on, maybe let's do the twist. Continue to send me that Bitcoin. Thank you. Absolutely. Stop. Um, good job. Good job. Both of you. You both did well there. All right. Let's get this about now. Feedback feedback. Feedback feedback. Thank you. This is where I go over the various questions and answers on our Facebook page. Facebook.com says that my podcast, we ask a number of questions to the listeners and they gave us some answers. Answers. Answers. Brandon Scott, feel free to throw in any answers you might have as we go through these first question is, what's your favorite Josh Hart net performance? Maxwell had it right. It's this movie trap. Oh, and Penny dreadful. Philip Heard has black Hawk down favorite Josh Hart met performance. I really liked him and I remember last year, Hollywood homicide by default, you say it by default. It's like, I mean, he has lots of movies. He's a guy. He's fine, but he's I never come away like, like, I remember last year, I was like, man, he was boom. He's not. I've heard he's very good and plenty dreadful. I've never watched a show. Have a watch of the other since, you know, the, the, the good. Dexter and weeds days, I don't really watch show time much. So I don't really have show time to watch Penny. That was where Penny dreadful was, but now it's like, a lot of places, but I, I, yeah, I've never really been like, Oh, the faculty, he was quite good. I, I like the, I like him, I like him specifically in the faculty because of his, he seems like he's trying to play against the grain as far as teen slasher type stuff goes. And I appreciate that. I do do like him in Hollywood homicide, Scott, I did, I think he, especially when he's playing the actor side of him, where he's trying to be an actor as well as a company as to like audition for street carding desire. I think that stuff's actually really funny. And what's it's the last year operation fortune ruse to care. Of course. I think he's really fun in that movie. The, the guy ratio film that definitely exists. Obviously he's very good in the virgin suicides. All hair, yeah, barely act since city. He's quite good. People give him high marks on since I got the, yeah, the, the two scenes he has. He's good. He's, he's effective in those, but he usually fits in his movie. So good that like you're not like, Oh, like he's never commanding over people or that's why trap feels like an interesting new thing because he is square focus of a lot of the movie. And I don't know that he's ever really had a movie or TV show like that. Really? I mean, not that specific role, but in terms of giving the bulk of the time to him, that's where I think he stumbles in films because I like, I know Scott really loves the lucky number seven, but I'm kidding. I know you hate that movie, but I don't hate it. It's just, I don't act as, you know, it's bad. And the black in the black dolly, those are that like that that 2004, 2006 point, that's where like they're, you know, they're trying to give him some stuff. And I don't think his leading man capabilities at that point were really all that strong. Even 30 days of night, I think he's fine in, but yeah, yeah, it's, you know, all right. Next question we have here. What's your favorite film set of the concert? Chris Hill writes. Awesome. I fucking shot that the Beastie voice film would stock the movie and summer of soul. My number one film of that year. Yeah, it's he burns right on the show, right, stop making sense. John Rivera writes the era's tour, is he subbing in for Peter here? And Phillip heard has Bradley Cooper is a star is born favorite film set at concerts. The Apple. Yeah. Yeah. Scott, any answer? I actually need to jolt my own memories. I'm going to say a star is born by default. So like I film set at a concert and then people give us concert films. So I'm like, I was trying to think my mind was going to, you know, written for the screen. The plot creates place around a concert rather than just like, I'm not a movie. I mean, I hear what you're saying. I'm not an acting strict rules on these because I do think there's plenty of room for all kinds of answers. Oh, I think your question is pretty clear, Aaron, none of those rattling hum bullshit. Well, I mean, those movies are films set at concerts. Yeah, they are concert films document. They're documentaries of sorts. I'm not, but you're, you're, you're, you're naming a genre. I'm just blind, nearly naming setting. All right. Almost famous is when you're correct. Oh, fuck. It's for it too. So sorry. Oh, he's fucking losers. I guess that has cut. Does that? Yeah. The hundred concert seats. Yeah. He's a feeder dog, man. Yeah. There are plenty of concert moments in that film. Best movies. 2000. So I guess by default, all time. Best movies of all time. Yes. So. Yeah. That's my answer. And then the apple. Yeah. Of course. All right. What are some great films about characters living a double life? Michael E. Brown, the show has any Batman film, Christopher Hill writes American Psycho, Purple Nune, the talented Mr. Ripley, Mr. and Mrs. Smith and the equalizer, Philip heard has RRR. Well, there's a, I mean, that's a great answer right there. Mm hmm. The original stepfather. Who am I here? Crimes and misdemeanors. That's a good answer. Oh, oh, I almost don't want to give it away, but it's a really good thriller for the 1980s that. Yeah. Raising game, I don't like it. Okay. No way out. All right. Like, look, you're around my room, uh, lay out the mask, you know. All right. What is some great film set around character, the Cher movie? What is some great movies? Yeah, he just took the face off when they're broken. It's one of his, one of those things he does classic Eric Stoltz. What is some great movie set around characters at crowded events? Chris Hill writes snake eyes and vantage point, vantage point. There's a movie I haven't thought about in a long time. Philip. I haven't. I haven't there anymore. All right. And they stopped for a reason. Surprised, CB live. That's the trailer I saw for months. Philip heard it. Is Dennis Quaid like, like grumpy old secret service agent? Like is that his role in the movie? Oh, yes. Right. He's like, guy, why would you even work on this job still? Okay. Philip has done Kirk and gladiator film centered around characters at crowded events. We mentioned Jean Claude Van Damme's sudden death earlier here. My mind weirdly went to black hat for the end, which features a neck scarf knife fight while said it like a bunch of people in the in the area like celebrating some kind of like religious events like really interrupting this. Like shoot several monks just for sport, a hell fest, be more modern, you know, scream to scream to colleges. It's funny. I guess in retrospect, I had the same problem with trap that I did with health fast, which is where the fuck does he find the time? Yeah. Yeah. So jealous. Scott, you could be a serial killer one day too. You just got to put your mind to it. This is what they, we call projecting, Scott, just what they say that is who are so directors that may not be perfect, but you're always rooting for Christopher Hill has Zack Snyder, Andrew Stanton, Paul Greengrass and Simon West. Oh, I remember his greengrass to be failed. I agree with you're even before you died. Um, I have more. I have more. Aaron's got more to read off Luke Thompson front of the show has Mark Forrester. And does he start getting close to perfect Maxwell had it has Robert Rodriguez. That might be my answer. Honestly, April, so cool has Ryan Johnson and Susan Bua has Neil Blomkamp. Brandon, what did you put here? Neil brain may not be perfect for your ride or die. Okay. Oh, I love that man. Rodriguez is a pretty perfect answer. That's good. Yeah. I, I, I respect that he doesn't do things with studios. I'm always down to see his movies, even his kid movies. Like I like that he's doing his thing. I do wish he'd just grow up more and he ports with that sometimes like Alita. And I just like do more of this do more ambitious stuff. You certainly have it in you. Yeah. I think like, I don't know, I just want to be good, but what are we talking about? Frustrating career like Fuqua. Yeah. We talked about him before being like, come on, man. Fuqua, I think to me, it's just like, I don't, I don't see him flirting with greatness to begin with. So it's like, he's past the point where we thought he might have it in a man. Yeah. So, you know, it's like, I think the ship has sailed on him like making some spin. You know, we'll see you next year. I guess with the, with the Jackson movie. I know that's going to go. Yeah. Scott, do you have something? I feel like just Shyamalan's your answer here. Well, I mean, obviously Shyamalan, Shyamalan, Cameron Crow, um, and I meant to go before God, obviously West Craven. Are you a big Cameron Crow guy? Is that good? I never felt can't like think of a time you've talked really about Cameron. I just really loved almost famous. Oh, come on. Yeah. He's, I mean, yeah. I think that and everything before it and in the sky, I'm a big bit of a sky. Yeah. But after vanilla sky, it's like it's pretty dire. What happened? It's a little town in the low high and we bought a zoo. It's at a point where Elizabeth sounds like the best of those movies. And that's sad. Maybe. I mean, I think it's aged the best just by me. Yeah. It's been a solid, like a little drama. Yeah. I'm a character drama. I watched that. Um, I like we bought a zoo. Fine. I had to. I think it's fine. I had to review that Blu-ray. I was like 45 minutes of deleted scenes like bull boy, Jesus really cut down that zoo. Did they like buy two zoos? That's that's the missing some plot where it's like we're not making anybody. What if I bought another one? It's been 20 minutes on that. That's like the Jurassic Park Bay Island for we bought a zoo. Yeah. Why buy one zoo and you can buy two twice the price. What's that dad? Who bought for the zoo? We bought a zoo dominion. Uh, last question we have here. Who are the corneas dads in film? I didn't get any answer to this one, which is a shame because everyone to hear some answers for this. Who are the corneas film dads? Like actor who plays dad because in ski and if is certainly going for it. Yeah. That's pretty. Yeah. Yes, as far as movie, not like the actor, but like the movie dad themselves, like who's the corneas. Oh, oh, oh, oh, us in, uh, 2018 Halloween. Toby us. Toby us. Yes. What, what's the line he says that peanut butter on the peanut butter? My penis. It's peanut butter on my penis. That's a, that's a good answer. Uh, you know, Godzilla's trying to show his son a good time by teaching him things and he's kind of corny, I guess, that's, yeah, what way do you, um, corny dad's corny dad. Oh, no, my, I know my answer. That's George Clooney in the descendants because that's the movie that stopped him from being cool. Well, the second George Clooney was a very cool actor until he started running down the street and flip flops of the descendants and he lost all of his cool automatic. Like he's never, he, he's never been cool since you can't name a Clooney movie after 20, 20, the 11 that he's cool and he's about cool anymore. It stopped. God, you're right. He acted less. So I mean, that works in his favorites. He might have a look like what's the model of him and pit coming out. Whoa. That'd be cool. He's the, he's the corny one between the two of them. All right. All right. What's that movie where he's playing like the mad money guy, but he's George Clooney, uh, with the high stuff, like they're the hostage thing, but Julia Roberts, Jody Foster directed. It's food that definitely exists. I keep wanting to say it's mad money, but that's called, uh, what is it called? Does it have money in the title, George money? Money monster. Money monster. There we go. Okay. He's insanely corny in that movie because he has to act like the fucking mad money. Yeah. That's my answer. Clooney, and this is going corny 10. All right. That's not enough. Be back. Be back. Be back. And that's when I bring us to the end of this week's episode about now at third and eight. You can find everything I do on my personal subspace, the code is eked up sub stack.com. Everything I do ends up over there. I am on a few podcasts, uh, this week actually as a guest, I'm on the lamb cast, uh, once again with friends of the show over there, uh, we did a 1984 movie draft, uh, which is a lot of fun. And I'll share that link. Some people can vote for the five films that I picked as my, my draft for 84. And I'm also on the, uh, what is it, the movie Rob minute, uh, where, uh, each season of that podcast is going over one minute at a time of various movies for this one. It's die hard of a vengeance. So I talked with, uh, with movie Rob about die hard of a vengeance for five minutes of that movie, um, which is fun, which is fun as well. And, uh, everything I do, I'll see the, uh, the sub stack page and all the old socials there in sps four and, uh, there's some other things I'm involved with that Brandon will mention as well. Brandon Peters. Where can people find more of you? All right. You can find Abe at Walworth's moose online. Take a look at him. Send him clown pictures. He loves them. Um, you can find me in the socials at Brandon 4K UHD. My podcast is the brain and Peter show, which you can find at the brain and Peter show.com or anywhere podcasts are found currently running. And we're on the final turn here of the summer of 2004 at 20 series, which is, uh, Scott, Aaron and I's weekend by weekend look through the movies of the summer of 2004 at 20 in the pop culture that surrounded them. Um, I also have popcorn Louisville coming up, uh, where I have the, uh, live podcast stage, which I have a couple slots open still, um, just a couple. There's like three total left. Um, so sign up for that, hopefully get on. Um, and I'll be on the KJ today show to promote it on Wednesday. It's a live show, um, across the YouTube's, the Facebook's or whatever with the owner, Carl. And, um, also just announced I'll be back at Dr. Oberfest this October on October 19th. And, uh, yeah, that's just my guy going on Scott Mendelssohn, where can people find more of you online? I am at Puck News and I semi weekly basis on their Monday night when I'm here in the newsletter. I also write, run and maintain the outside scoop on sub-step. I'm on basically all the social media platforms, even though the extent that I still use them I spend most of my time on Facebook and Twitter. Some variation of at Scott Mendelssohn, what have you. Great. You can find all the other episodes out in there and if on iTunes, I don't even spot a fight. And stitch your email. It's not podcast@chebo.com. Follow us on all the socials, Facebook.com/outnowpodcast, Twitter.com/outnow podcast, and I'll just go to podcast@instagram.com/outnow podcast as well. Uh, next week's show, we have a double episode coming up. We're going to be talking Cuckoo and Borderlands, um, but that said, Scott Brandon, thank you both for joining me this evening. Thank you. Oh, it is a pleasure. Glad to have you guys here. Thank you listeners for listening. And that's good to do for this week's episode. 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