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Out Now 587: Deadpool & Wolverine
[music] We are now recording out now with Aaron and Abe. I am Aaron and Abe is unfortunately not joining us right now. They got called into work at the 11th hour. But, out now is a film podcast where Abe and I discuss new movies weekly. We took into the film "The Amosa Sport" for you to view. The case will commentary track if some other problem would be topic. This is episode 587. 587, getting pretty close to 600 here and we have done no planning. Let's sort of see what we come up with. But yeah, this week we're talking a box office juggernaut already, Deadpool and Wolverine. The latest entry- You're trying to see what you did there? Yeah. Yeah. I got some tricks up my sleeve. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I wore short sleeves to get those tricks out early. But yeah, we're talking Deadpool Wolverine, the third entry in the Deadpool franchise, the, I don't know, the 11th, 12th entry for Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, something along those lines. And whatever you want to call it, it comes to X, but who cares if this is what they're done. Joining us, joining me to discuss Deadpool and Wolverine. We have senior film critic and editor for Cinema blend. Marvel is going to make him do this until he's 90. It's Eric Eisenberg. Hey, hey, thanks for having me. Also joining his editor and writer for slash film here with a Wolverine popcorn bucket in his lap at giving it maximum effort. Brad Omen. Hey, that's me, Bob. How are the two of you doing this evening? I'm doing grand. Not too Chevy got back from not a full San Diego comic con experience last night. But you know, two days was, no, so, you know, still fill in the aftershock to that. But not too. Where are you, where are you in the room? Were you in a hall H yesterday? I was. Yes. The room where it happens. The room where it happens. Yes. We'll talk. We'll put a pin in that for now. We'll talk more about that later on. We got actually, I think our feedback section, we actually have a question that will directly connect and we can talk a little more about that, but yeah, no, I realize it is comic con weekend. I realize that after I asked you if you'd want to be on this show, so I'm like, oh, we didn't forget that we're doing a podcast about Deadpool today. I don't know my calendar, I'm very, I do my due diligence. Well, no, I'm glad to have you here. I'm glad Brad got to have you back here as well. I'm looking forward to digging into this film and more. But first, let's get into some show notes. What's happening? A commentary tracks. We do a commentary every month in this podcast. They're a lot of fun. And for this summer, we're doing a global exercise where we're going all over the world to talk about different movies. We talked about Run Lola Run for its 25th anniversary back in June. And for July, we talked Chunking Express from director Wong Carly for its 30th anniversary, which is a lot of fun. That's available now. Next month, we'll be talking Kiki's delivery service for its 35th anniversary. So we've got a lot of fun stuff coming your way, but all those can be found on iTunes or Spotify. And if you want to log on to iTunes or Spotify, give us a rating and review. Search out now out there and name. You can find our show. You can give us a rating and review. It'd be great. Opposite will be old iTunes charts. What else? Bonus episode. I'm just talking about commenters. I've got more bonus episodes coming. So a friend of the show, Professor Mike Dillon, he hosts a contest every year during Monster Palooza, which takes place in out in LA, where he has his students select various movies that we could possibly talk about in a special episode. And we're going to be doing that this week. We're going to be recording our episode for Creepshow, George Airmaro, director Stephen King, a written anthology horror flick, which I'm looking forward to talking about. I suppose I've never had a chance to talk at length about Creepshow. That should be fun. Yeah. You're a Stephen King guy, you know. Absolutely. You especially love his acting. Yeah. Are you kidding? Jody? Oh, man. It's a thing. It's a thing. Well, of course, the 12th annual summer movie gamble every year for many years. We attempt to predict the top 10 high scores as opposed to the box office and boy, Deadpool and Wolverine just jumped right in this week with $205 million for its debut. It's a hefty amount. I know some of us had that pretty good pretty high, at least number two or three if not one. So there's that. Twister has made it over 35. It's a 154. The sick will be four made out of the 14th at 290 inside out to another eight. It's at six hundred and thirteen million, whether or not Deadpool has the legs to be an inside out. We'll see. But I have my doubts. Speaking of legs, long legs, not going to make the top 10, but the fact that it's only dropped another forty percent made it six million. It's at 58 so far. Good for long legs. Love it. I don't know if you guys have you guys seen long legs? Are you fans? Twice. I love that. It's good. I got the right guess on this show, you know, especially proud of long legs at the box office. Mommy. Daddy. Okay. Um, let's see. Thank you for that. A quiet place. Got another three million to one thirty four bad boys ride or die. It's at one ninety one. Scratch it. 200 kids. Sony do it. Can Sony keep it at theaters long enough? They can get rid of those fly me to the booth theaters. They don't need those because that movie's not doing well. I can think of it back in bad boys or double feature, double bill. You know, what if we saw fly me to add bad boys at the same way? Um, yeah, there's other things, but that's pretty much the rundown of the box office. Two hundred and five million dust for our rated Deadpool three. That's I really, I thought it like had, I thought like it had a Barbie ceiling. I really didn't see 200 coming like that's, that's impressive. It's been, it's in person. Yeah. I don't know about this as we go, but let's move on. Let's get to some. That's, that's, that's our show notes. Let's move on to some about now feet there. Now, quickies. Jesus. What time is it? I know quickies. Yeah. I'm each weekend. I talk about during the week. I talk about cookies. Do you have? Okay. Brad, let's start with you. What other movies have you been watching me? Oh, gosh. What have I seen recently? You know what I watched recently for the first time ever is Silverado. Okay. Have you ever seen Silverado? I, if I've seen Silverado, it's been a long time because Kostner's not, especially early Kostner, not my fav. So me being like, you know what I want to watch right now, Silverado is not generally coming to mind. But what do you think of Silverado? It's funny. Actually, I, I have not really been much of a fan of Kostner's acting in general. Like I think he's fine, you know, but he's actually great in Silverado because he's playing a character unlike Kevin Kostner. He's like a very hyped up young, cop sure cowboy. You have Kevin Klein, Danny Glover and Scott Glenn, as these cowboys who like are kind of. Yeah, it's misfits like what they're all, all their own like things and like they end up like just coming together because of circumstances has a phenomenal cast. It also includes like Brian Denahy and it's just, I really liked it. The score by Bruce Brofton is fantastic. You know, for a Western that came out in 1985, I think it was. It's just got a lot of classic style to it. And I was not expecting to like it so much. But it's, it's really cool. I, I dug it. I actually very recently watched it myself. It just came out very recently at 4K, right? Like, is that. Oh, did it? Well, Steve, maybe that's not even it. Like, there's, I mean, I guess there's something in the universe because I, I did very recently watched Silverado. Oh, interesting. And like, yeah, I guess it's just out there. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's a fun movie. I mean, the cast is so cool. I mean, it is very much kind of like Lauren's castons follow up to the big chill, just kind of like loading up every single actor he knows. Which also inspired thoughts about have terrible darling companion is, which yeah, I mean, nobody has thought about that movie in years. And so the fact that I'm now mentioning it, I just want to put the record that yes, that movie exists. Yes, it's terrible. So yeah. Did you all make sure that I had you off before you, whatever, did you all make sure that like, could you watch Silverado, would you, did you like, could you watch part one of his, of his latest epic? Were you in just the Western costume mood? Unfortunately, I did not make it to theater. Yeah. Like so, like so, like you want Silverado, like it's on digital that you can rent it. You can be glad of your way. Watch it. The Lake Toster intended paying $14.99 on streaming service. I will watch it at some point. I, I wanted to make the time to see in theaters, but like, yeah, I just didn't work out for it with my schedule. Even though we're all excited, because I saw the first one, we were like, okay, August will come around. We'll talk about both of them in an episode. And then it's, it didn't, it didn't happen that way. I mean, I, I, I appreciate it, but I also, I feel like especially last year, there was this like rejection of the idea of movies as mini series where, because, I mean, because Hollywood just really overloaded the calendar with part ones between like, fast X and Spider verse and mission impossible. And then there's another one in there that I'm blanking on. Oh, Rebel Moon. Rebel Moon. Like for last. Exactly. The most recent yet the most forgettable. And, and it's just, I think audiences quickly kind of rejected that idea. I mean, not outright. I mean, I also like dead reckoning never had a chance to make back its ridiculous $500 million or whatever. They're bad made a shit ton of money. Well, like, yes, there were, I'm not saying there isn't success stories here, but I also feel like there, there was kind of an exhaustion of it to a degree in 2023. So I was like, I'm more, I'm more curious if the yellow's because obviously I think part of it was Waterbird thinking, well, Yellowstone's the biggest thing in the world. What if the star of that show had a new Western movie out there? I'm curious what that, if that audience was like divided, like half they were like, he does have a new Western out there. And the other half was like, fuck this guy. He left Yellowstone. I'm not going to see his movie. I'm not sitting here to watch Cole Houser. I'm here to watch Kevin Coster and he's not on the show anymore. I think what they really needed to do is just establish special, like standing room only screening so that you can have dads just standing with their hands on their hips watching it the entire time. That would have made it work for I think. He's already making a bold experiment, but being like, what if I just spent a lot of money on four Westerns and see how that goes or just keep it going. Brad, what else have you been watching? I was on kind of an 80s kick actually. I watched The Secret of My Success for the first time, the Michael J. Fox movie, and it's one of those kind of like familiar stories where you have a character who lies and pretends to be somebody else and has to keep it going. It's Michael J. Fox. He's from a small, small Indiana town. He moved to New York to try and make him the big city and doesn't have much luck, but then weasel his way into his quasi uncle's big business and there's a lot of funny lying and scheming and whatnot. There's a very amusing use of the OES song from Ferris Bueller, which I didn't realize made it into any other movie. And I was like, wow, what a bold choice to do that song from Ferris Bueller just one year later. But yeah, no, it's solid. It's a silly comedy, but it's got a very 80s for sure and yeah, it actually made me kind of think that it's right for a remake, especially like in today's business culture. I don't know if you could easily pull something like that off today with the internet and whatnot. That's the challenge for the writer, right? That's what I say. That is like a, that's a plot that is used more often than I think people realize. Like, you know, there's body switching plots or whatnot. This, the idea of, you know, regular person pretends to be someone like more important. I mean, there's, there's blank check. There's the associates with whoopi Goldberg. There's a lot of like those that kind of. All solid gold movies. All solid gold. But it's one that like they kick, that's like a weird back to the well idea is like, what if he plays a person that's not who he says he is, but like everybody thinks he's super popular. Like, even big is like a mix of both, right? It's a body switching movie and Dave's bigger than you think. Anything else for you? That's pretty much it. All right. Eric, how about you? What have you been watching? Well, I'll, I'll counter by mentioning a few, as a more contemporary things, like I'm kind of specifically upcoming releases, I got to go to a like big fan event last week at Paramount. So I got to see the new Transformers one, which, you know, I'm, I can't say I'm the biggest Transformers fan in the world. It was never really my thing. And it is very much also for a younger audience. But it's, it's, it surprised me like I was entertained. I like, I actually surprised also that I really like the voice performances given that you have like Frank Walker and have it all. So, but you know, it's, it does put together an interesting origin story and I can't tell really one transformer from another, but, you know, that's one's gray, one's red, one's yellow. Right. Yeah, exactly. So, so that's something for people to look forward to. I don't think it's, I think it's out in September. That's good. That's good to know because that first trailer was not great. And I saw footage back at a cinema con, like an early reel of it. And I just, I was not impressed. I like it just like America much looked like the kind of dawn of CGI Saturday morning cartoons in the early oughts. Yeah. I hate the animation style. I don't understand why they went with that look because it does not look good. Now it's, and like it is honestly, it would have been a cool opportunity to go back to 2D and more just kind of do something more traditional. I can't say that it was my favorite and very much is, like I said, a younger audience aiming. But you know, it's, it's just paramount animation or let's look like studio, is it? I think it's just paramount animation. Yeah. Like, what do they have? Like, I guess turtles. Yeah. And then there's something else I think, I forget what, Wonder Park? I try to think about like other pair about, I guess SpongeBob, but that's like Nickelodeon at that point. Yeah, that's right. Nickelodeon. Well, and then I mean, honestly, what I always go back to is like, what happened to the fucking studio that made Rango? Like, I mean, like, they made this magical film and then it just, nothing, like, what happened there? Which is still like, I believe that's still like Nickelodeon, right? Sure. Yeah, no, I think it was Nickelodeon, but like, the idea that they've never done anything even. It's weird that, yes, they like, ILM helped him win an Oscar for Gore Verbinsky and they're like, what if we didn't do that anymore? Yeah. Never mind. We're not going to do that. Honestly, I can't believe that they haven't tapped into like the old Nick Toon nostalgia yet. Like, Doug. Right. It's wild. Like those, those Rugrats movies made bank, like it's weird that we Devin had like legacy Rugrats sequels all grown up again. Like, didn't they actually bring back? Didn't they do? So, yeah, they did do a computer animated revival of Rugrats that like basically, basically took like the same animation style but made it 3D computer animated and they even remade some of the original episodes in it, but it doesn't look great. It still lacks that cool, quirky style of the original. Sure. Yeah. I guess that's kind of even what they did with DuckTales too, right? Yeah. Yeah. So maybe, I mean, but that, yeah, that's kind of a hollow version of that. But yeah, like, I mean, you could bring back there's like, yeah, that Nick Toon's like, I know some people like grew up on Cartoon Network and Disney. I was definitely a Nick Toon's kid. Like, that's the stuff that I was. Yeah. I have back and forth between Nick Toons and Cartoon Network. We're all about the same age. That makes sense. Yeah. Nick Toons was like, where was that? Honestly, like, it feels like it's right for them to do something like Chippendale Rescue Rangers, but like in the Nick Toons universe. Yeah. I feel like that's like the best way to do it. Like, Lord of Miller to make a meta Nick Toon commentary, Hey Arnold has to find the angry beavers too. Actually, I mean, these are the total divergence, but I actually just also read a product Hail Mary by Andy Weir, which is the movie that Lord of Miller are doing next. And I am beyond stoked for what they're going to do with that, like that movie should be awesome. So if you haven't, I highly recommend reading the book because it's just, it's a really fun read. Um, the other movie that I want to talk about was Cuckoo, which is coming up in a couple of weeks, starring Dan Stevens, the new horror movie and Hunter Shafer. I don't want to say too much about it because it's one of those movies that you can, you should really go into knowing not much and let it just unfold in front of you. But it is, it has some cool twists and cool reveals and yeah, that's as much as I'll say then. That's fair. We'll, we'll talk about that soon. I've seen it as well. And I'll just say Dan Stevens is having a good year. He is. He is. And he's having fun. Like I, I, it's weird, the kind of weird choice to play a German character, but like, I, I believe a minute. So, you know, it's, you know, like a German, I know that. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. There's some movie he did where he's like a robot or something. I believe it's a German is what anyway, doesn't matter. I've seen a few things, um, not a lot of new releases, honestly, and normally I like stack the deck with all these new screeners and stuff like that, but I don't have many. Like, but the, the one that I did watch is the last breath, a shark movie. Um, not my favorite shark movie the summer. That would of course be under Paris, which was super fun. Um, this one is, uh, it's a, a, a sunken, like old ship in the Caribbean, um, is being explored by a group of like, fun divers, bunch of party kids, they're like, let's go scuba diving and find this thing. And they get inside the ship and uh, oh, there's a shark in there and it becomes difficult for them to navigate the corridors of this sunken ship while a shark is chasing after them. Um, in the realm of shark movies, sorry, it's not, you know, I, it's more fun to talk about it. I think they're better ones. Explain the premise of it as opposed to like watching it. It's impressive as far as they're, you know, they're scuba diving. So they're under water for a direct, like a long duration of the movie and the fact that it, they're actually under water doing the stuff, it's like, maybe efforts put into it. As I said, like, are there like vacuum, like pockets of air within the ship that they're able to, there's, there's only like one chance, one time that happens. And even then they don't like take their gear off or anything. So no, they're like, like there's, what did I see where a shark like gets one of their guys's legs. And they're like, we got there, they're like, we gotta like stop the bleeding and do all the stuffs. They're like underwater in mass, like trying to do like legs, like give me a clamp and trying to clamp in the water is like, this seems like he's not going to make it very far. It's what we're doing. But it's impressive enough as far as they were under water. That's not enough. But overall, it's like, yeah, it's just another shark movie. It's not, it's not like sci-fi bad, but it's still, it's not doing a whole lot for me in the realm of honestly other number of good shark movies I've seen in recent times. Um, and on the, on the, the weekend of deep blue seas, 25th anniversary. No. So, um, what does that look like? Yeah. We have the shallows with like, lively, no, there's a, there's a good hit. It's weird that there's only a handful of like legit, like good shark movies, given how many shark movies there are in there, but, you know, right, uh, I watched a couple, like older things. The conversation, which is one of my favorite movies of all time, it's got this like deluxe 4K box set that came from a studio canal. It'll probably get like a domestic release as well, but I'm a sucker for these things. And so I received it and I immediately put it on because I love the conversation. The transport cover of film with Gene Hackman and, um, still good. It's a fantastic movie. And then because I, uh, I just like doing things. I'm like, let me put on Tony Scott's, I made the state the weird pseudo sequel to the conversation. So we did that, that's, that's, that's like, that's a good like top tier Tony Scott movie in my book. I think that's a just a really fun one, uh, which is good stuff going on for both Will and, and, and Hackman kind of uprising his role. I, I never seen that interview with Hackman like talking about that at all. I'm not sure if it's out there. People are like actively acknowledging this is like a follow up to cover. Like I've never seen that. If that's actually like what his take on it was, but yeah. So we got it, we got to catch him in Arizona during one of his book tours, uh, the corner of about the conversation in the state, that's what I'm saying. Um, what else I know your rights books, I just figure eventually they get published. He probably does something where he just like rides a bike or whatever. Like he always gets like randomly caught by a paparazzi and on the one hand, I'm like, I don't need to look at this. This is sad. And I, I, I even recently saw on Twitter, like the phrase trending, I still caught Twitter, uh, leave Jean Hackman alone, just like because the guy just wants to live in his life. He's in his nineties. He's not trying to be out there in public. Good for him. I, I respect the idea that he was retired. I, I wish his last movie wasn't welcome to move sport, but we can't have all things that we want. Um, what else did I watch? So I watched two movies, uh, that are, they're, I guess they're 2000s, two thousand movies that are, I believe some people like quite a bit and I've never liked and I revisit them to think, am I wrong or have I still been right the whole time? I'll tell you what these movies are. The first is John Q, the Denzel Washington, um, I think this movie is terrible and I watch it again. And I still think it's terrible. It's basically dog day afternoon, but has messages about the healthcare system. Yeah, it's a hospital, right? Nothing. Nothing against it. You know, making a statement about the healthcare system. I just wish the movie wasn't got off. That's, that's my take on charge. I think it's like, I remember, I, I, I, I, I honestly don't remember if I ever actually saw it, but I do remember it coming out of the time was like, right, right around, like or right after training day and just like having this reflected the moment of just like, wow, just Denzel Washington does not miss every single movie the guy does is just aces. The guy does amazing. And then John Q lands and is like, oh, this is not good. That's a, I mean, he's not the problem in the movie. The skillful head of Nick Cassavetus didn't exactly get the right, you know, the right push there, but though I, so I'm, I'm still content in that being there. The other one, and Brad, I'm curious if you're a fan of this movie, Deaf to Smoochie. Oh, yeah, I can't stand death to Smoochie. I love the premise of this movie, the idea of the behind the scenes, rough and tumble nature of, of a kitty card to like kitty program mascots. That's a fun idea. My issue is I think every character is annoying in the movie, like I can't like, I think that's kind of the point though. I think it's supposed to be like this cartoonish satire and like every character is supposed to be insufferable in some way. I get that that's the case and it's one thing to make characters unlikable. That's not an issue for it. I mean, whatever, like, so now there we care to be likable, but there other than just be like annoyed by the character throughout the movie and between Edward Norton and Robin Williams really mugging and John Stewart and Catherine Keener. It's a great cast, Danny DeVito. I just, I kept watching this thinking, I want this to be better. There's a movie here that I think probably works, but for me, it doesn't. But I know it has an audio. I know it has a fandom. Like you're barely a part of it. Like I know people like that movie. I love it. I'm very excited to get that because I've been waiting for a while to add that to my collection and create a form. I'm glad I didn't like just buy it for the sake of like, well, maybe I'll like it this time. I'm glad I watched it first. Like, no, I don't need this. John Stewart has a hideous haircut in his movie. Yeah. He is certainly making, they made a choice. Yeah. I haven't seen it, but I do appreciate that. It's John Stewart's go-to reference when like, whenever people say like, you're a trusted source, he's like, no, I made death this movie. Yeah. Yeah. In the realm of talk show hosts that also acted in things, it's better than taxi. It has that going for it. How about that? That's, that's fine. So yeah, that's what I've been watching. It's out of weeks. Yeah. That's what we want. Let's get some trailer talk. We're talking about one of the newest movie shows of the week. What is coming out? What we thought of it? What have you? The Christmas action adventure comedy red one directed by Giamongi's Jake Kazen. Sorry, Giamongi, welcome to the jungle and Giamongi the next level. It's Jake Kazen, starring of course, Joanne the Rock Johnson along with heavily. JK Simmons, Chris Evans, Lucy Liu, a bunch of other people. The idea here is that Santa Claus has been kidnapped and so Joanne Johnson, presumably playing some version of himself, teams up with Chris Evans character who plays, I don't know what he plays and they go across magical fantasy realms and stuff to try to find a Super Jack to JK Simmons and Santa Claus. Brad, how excited are you for red one? So I was not excited at all. And even a minute into this trailer, I was like, fuck this movie. And then all of a sudden, that polar bear henchman showed up and Dwayne Johnson called him Garcia and I was like, oh, okay, so this is a real fuck you movie with just pure nonsense. I am all in on this and it just got crazier after that with the crampus fight club and the abominable snowman monsters and like this looks stupid as hell and I am absolutely on board to see it. Eric, are you matching this level of excitement? I don't know about necessarily matching, however, I will say that yes, definitely the second half of the trailer is a lot stronger and it was honestly within it where I was reminded that, or I should say I reminded myself that this was the guy who directed a lot to jumanji movies which are not amazing but they are fun diversions. I feel like I can use this as, I think it's very appropriate that we are talking about this movie in the same episode as Deadpool and Wolverine just because I very much see parallels between Dwayne Johnson and Ryan Reynolds at this point in their careers in which like, Dwayne Johnson has very much been playing it safe as hell for like I'd say probably five plus years just constantly working with the same directors over and over again who he knows that can like tolerate his behavior and just and basically will say yes to all of his ideas. This includes obviously Jake Hasden, but it's also Yom Kalatsarrah. Ross Marshall Thurber, Brad, what's his name who did, San Andreas. And Ryan Reynolds, I feel like is kind of trapped in that right now, especially and Sean Levy is the director that is kind of he's just, I want to play it safe by working with this guy consistently because it really doesn't get safer than Sean Levy, but and in Ryan Reynolds, I'll send and to his credit, like I get that he would be afraid of another kind of career bottom out, like the one that he had around like 2010, 2011, where just basically every single thing in his career went wrong, which he now openly mocks. And doing Johnson also had that period when he was doing stuff like the Tooth Fairy and just wasn't earning much respect. So they are kind of now at this parallel point in their careers. And I kind of wish that Dwayne Johnson, this is me cycling back to red one, that grained Johnson learned from the black Adam experience to mix things up and try something different. And I love the fact that he's doing the safty movie, which seems like he's actually challenging himself, but this definitely seems more along the like, let's play it safe, like let's not try anything too outrageous and just, yeah, let myself sell this bill. I have been mistakenly saying that this was originally a Netflix movie, apparently it's a prime movie, but it's going to theaters regardless, which is a step up. I mean, as far as this kind of thing goes, I'm happy that it's an actual theatrical. There are rumors of production woes, and it has a huge budget, but none of that speaks good to me. I feel like, what was the other, I mean, there was a Netflix movie with Ryan, but what was the Ryan Reynolds going Johnson down? No, Red Notice. Red Notice. I feel like that. Most years. It's terrible. But I feel like that is kind of getting like there is something mentally getting mixed up there that I can, I can relate to, so yeah, if that's worth this thing. I don't disagree that there's bits in it towards that second half that I enjoy when it gets all fantastical. It's like, okay, like it's trying something. It still just feels like Johnson and Evans, who's also, he's also been slumping a lot lately. It does be like they're just coasting, and it's like, do better than this. Well, Evans kind of kind of seems to be on this bad guy kick where, I mean, following knives out, he just kind of enjoys playing these kind of smarmy asshole characters, which to his credit, if he's having fun, but I can't say I was a huge fan of it. And again, I'm blanking on the, what was the Russo brothers? The Greyman, of course. The Greyman, yeah. Which, I guess, yeah, that's a super appropriate title for that film. And who can forget ghost? Boy. Yeah. So, yeah, it's not a great trend for him, but. With this, Jake Kassadin's been up and down for me because I love zero effect as first movie. I'm a huge walk hard fan, but I do think his Cameron Diaz run with bad teachers. And sex tape are not good, but then Jumanji happens. My biggest question is he made two Jumanji films, huge hits for him, Sony, Joy Johnson, and all involved. Why is there not a third Jumanji? What are we, why did we stop? Like what, what, what got away from all of these? And especially because the second one and, or I guess the third one ends with like, basically the, the actual characters coming out of the video game again. So it seems, yeah, that, that should write itself, but I guess it was the pandemic happened as the answer. Cause. Yeah, that's what they can regroup. They're like, I guess we should pivot to our Christmas comedy. I mean, it is, I mean, it just did kind of create distance because honestly, I like the home, there was like a home video event for Jumanji, like Jumanji got, like the next level. Yeah, the next level. That was actually the, like, last thing that I did before the pandemic shut everything in the world down. So yeah, it's, it was weird timing with that, but it just, it feels a lot like when Turtle Tobin Cage made two very successful national treasure movies are like, you know, we should do next, not national treasure. We should make the source was apprentice. That's a, that, that's our best move. Regardless, red one, a movie that's certainly coming out at some point arrives at November 15th this fall, so stay tuned for that. All right, let's, let's move over that. Let's move on to our main review for Deadpool and Wolverine. I'm about to lose everything that I've ever cared about. No, my fucking problem. Is that what you said when your world went to shit? Come again. This Wolverine let down his entire world. Want to talk about what's haunting you or should we wait for a third act flashback? Uh, go fuck yourself. I don't know anything about saving worlds. But you do trust me, kid, I'm no hero. You were an ex man with the ex man. That should have been some of the trailer for Deadpool and Wolverine Deadpool two opened in 2018 and was a big success as was the first film. Obviously, that meant more was to come, but what happens when Disney buys the studio that produces an R rated superhero franchise? Apparently nothing beyond opening up new opportunities with no threat to reducing the rating or content, right? Reynolds managed to bring on free guy and Adam Project director Sean Levy to deliver a third entry in this series that would now include Hugh Jackman's return as Wolverine. Plot is fairly simple to save his own universe, Wade Wilson recruits a Wolverine from another timeline to stop its destruction, only to be held up by some manipulative forces forcing the two mutants to pile around in a dead zone populated by past Marvel characters. I will say right now this movie obviously has numerous surprises in it. That people were advised not to reveal or what have you. I think for this review, we can spend a good portion of it talking about our thoughts in the film. And then later on, given the movie made $255 million this weekend and anyone who listened to this most likely saw Deadpool and Wolverine, we can then talk about some spoilers and stuff. With all of that in mind, Eric, what did you think of Deadpool and Wolverine? Mixed positive. I mean, the greatest strength is just the fact that it is crazy funny. Like, I was entertained throughout, I was constantly laughing. It has a lot of surprises that again, we'll discuss as we get into the spoiler section of this. And I just, I was constantly entertained and I feel like a lot of people are going to walk away from the movie feeling that way, just like that it is just a tremendously entertaining movie that delivers a lot of what fans have been wanting for years and very specifically sets it up. It tells you very often that it's doing something for the fans and that this has been something that we've been waiting for for a while. And as one of those fans being served, I was happy with the vast majority of it. That being said, I've had it funny that you said that the plot was pretty easy to explain because it is just also so thin. Like the story in this movie, the story in this film is just like razor thin and just like there really is no actual like propulsive narrative to it other than like, okay, the characters can go here and they can meet these people and then they can go here and meet these other people. And then they go back here and then go back here and there's a McGuffin to get involved with to try and save the world. And it's just like there was a point in the middle of the movie where it was just like, is there going to be some actual substance to this added at some point? And ultimately the answer was, no, not really. So I enjoyed it overall. I'm curious how it'll actually like age with people just because obviously you have a certain like, you know, a comedy that you know is less funny when you know all the lines. There are surprises that aren't going to be surprises when you've already seen the film. So I'm curious just how it's going to age. But overall I'd say I liked it. So didn't blow up. Brad, how about you? What did you think of Deadpool and Wolverine? Yeah, I had a blast with this movie. It is extremely entertaining. It is definitely the funniest of the three. But like you guys said, it has a very thin plot that is basically held together by toothpicks and the charm of Ryan Reynolds and the pathos of Hugh Jackman. It's definitely a showcase just for those characters to be together and to have this incredible dynamic with each other that is very much inspired by Plains Trains and Automobiles, but just a comic book version of it. And Ryan Reynolds has not been shy about how much that movie greatly influences him. And especially this movie, I actually, after I saw the movie, I saw a thing that he did for Turner Classic movies where they had him on as a guest programmer and he did Plains Trains and Automobiles and Gross Point Blank as the two movies he programmed and he talked a lot about Plains Trains and Automobiles being a big motivator for what happens in Deadpool and Wolverine. But yeah, I think that if you think about the plot for longer than a little bit, it'll slowly collapse on itself, but it is so funny and what it does for the comic book universe from both that existed before the MCU and just the fun that it has with the multiverse in a way that no other comic book movie really can do the way that Deadpool can, it works just on that level alone. So yeah, I had a great time watching it and yeah, not a masterpiece by any means, not the best Marvel movie by any means, but just a hell of a good time. I feel like we're all kind of aligned here, just as a matter of how much impactful it was as far as just being a superhero comedy. But I feel like a more in Eric's camp as far as I was certainly entertained by the movie. It's hard to not be given all the stuff that's throwing at you with a fairly constant face, but yeah, it didn't wear thin on me as far as the effort being put in, especially by Jackman and Reynolds, but in terms of just being a movie, it really felt like if you wanted to provide a great example for what Martin Scorsese was trying to say about the Marvel movies not really being movies, this is one you could show pretty easily and be like, see, it's more Leo pointing the movie than it is like a film. And I honestly put that the hands of Sean Levy as a director, like the second he was brought on after, you know, free guy and Adam Project by Reynolds, I'm like, I mean, even if it's R-rated, I'm still not, I don't feel like I'm going to get much out of this. And that was pretty much right. I mean, that's my takeaway from this, I was certainly ready to laugh and enjoy the different things are going on because it was now within the Disney world, so they can, you know, do stuff with the MCU. But I, you know, be honest, like the first, and it's weird because I know press were shown like the first 40 minutes of this movie, right, before it was actually officially screened. And watching this from my perspective, watching this first 40 minutes, which I did separately, I was like, this is what they showed because I was kind of like waiting. I was like, where's Wolverine? Because this needs to like ramp up in excitement because I just wasn't really like outside of the openings. Obviously, fine with the, the insane, good, the fighting or what I like that's the, and I saw, so I saw them be in 3D as well, which was, they actually embraced it. They had a lot of like stuff going out of the frame and everything. So it's like, you know, swords and things are hitting the past the edge was like, right, that's neat. Like they, they, you know, they went for it in that realm. But after that, what I'm getting, you know, either the mix of the old characters or what Deadpool's up to or whatnot. I was, I wanted more jokes, like the, there are a lot of easy jokes and there's a lot of stuff that made me smile, but it took a while for me to like actually start like laughing out loud at the stuff taking place, which is a shame. I, I just wanted better and I feel like that's partially because of there's good comedic direction and there's what Sean Lovey's doing here and I feel like that presented an issue. Once Jack, what's, what's Jackman and Reynolds are together on screen doing their thing? I mean, there's a lot of gold there for sure. I can't, there's no denying that, that their chemistry works really well for the film and the fact that it gets to be our rated as far as just hearing Hugh Jack would say, shut the fuck up. It's like there's something there that works really well to the film's advantage and it's not unlike other Deadpool films, but with other Deadpool films, they can't, they felt like movies, honestly, like regardless of their overall funnier or not, there's choices Tim Miller's making and choices David Leach is making and having just watched them again. I'm pretty up to speed on it. It's like these feel like films, these feel like there's a real direction to what's going on here. There's direct boring places, there's color in the movie. To add to that, I mean, even I think that there is specific, the specific talents that both Tim Miller and David Leach possess that they individually bring to the movie. I mean, like you think about the original Deadpool's like specifically that opening credit sequence, a lot of that can be accredited to Tim Miller's experience in the VFX and like obviously this was a tremendously small movie that he was able to make actually, make it feel like it actually had some scale and some budget despite the fact that it very much did not. David Leach obviously having his 87/11 past has a real expertise when it comes to action and the choreography. Sean Levy, I don't feel like he has any particular skill and I actually, and I fully, we're totally in, totally aligned that like when he came on board, that was a red flag to me. Just because like, and the action scenes in here are fine, but there's just, there's nothing that really is a signature style to any of it. And I do think that there is something that the fact that if you like look at the first movie where the quote unquote real heroes here are red, recent Paul Warrenick who are credited for writing the scripts and obviously Ryan Reynolds has a lot of improvisation. And he was able to do during production, but then Deadpool 2, you have Ryan Reynolds added as another cook in that kitchen and then this movie, you have not only right recent Paul Warrenick but also Sean Levy and Ryan Reynolds and Zeb Wells and it's just, I feel like this movie definitely feels like it was a too many cooks in the kitchen, too many people like throwing a post-it note onto a page saying like this idea would be fun to explore in here and then it kind of just made it through into production because they were trying to jam it in before the writer strike. So here's my thing and I, Brad, I want to hear more from you on this as well because I, again, I liked this movie overall and I'd be happy to talk about the things I liked about it because it's, it's a bummer to see a movie that opens so big and has an ace in a score and people are loving and I'm sitting here being like, but it's got issues. Like I don't need to be that guy, but I wish you didn't have issues. But with that in mind, it's the curse of being a critic. I mean, I hear what it is. With that in mind, Brad, you're saying that you were very entertained by this movie pool. My, the issue I seem to like latch onto the most is it's not that it's not like being funny, but it did feel like, and it's not jack-and-swell by any means, but it does feel like much like other Deadpool films. There is an attempt to be like, and here's the heartfelt moments, I felt like this time around compared to the other Deadpool films, it really ground the film to a halt every time we're like, and that looks like talk about something that's real, that's serious. And between that and the lack of kind of, like you were saying, air, kind of narrative momentum, where it's like, the world's gonna die, right? What is that gonna happen? Like, it felt, there, I guess there's like it for being a two-hour movie. I, I wasn't sure the pacing was all that tight. Like, it felt like I was being forced to kind of deal with like, if you want to be as any comedy, be as any comedy, but if you want to like do both things, do it better? I don't know. Brad, what do you, what do you think? No, I honestly didn't have a problem with emotional beats. I, I will concede that I don't think that Wade's emotional arc in this movie is anywhere near as good as it is in the first two Deadpool movies. I agree. They really do a nice job of giving Wade some nice character moments to make you care about him and make him more than just a smart ass. And they do try here. I think the part that works the best is when it's tied to Wolverine and Wolverine has that tirade against him where he just lashes out and delivers, you know, his own vitriol right back at him. And again, it cuts him to the core because he says exactly what Deadpool's problem is. And this is something that that Reynolds talked about in his thing, where he talked about play and change on movies, it's like Deadpool has the same kind of like maladjusted behavior that like kind of similar, but to a more extreme fashion that John Candy's character does in the play and change on movies, he's like, he can't stop talking. He's, you know, he's, he, he stops talking than he thinks about the stuff that's giving him pain, you know, and that's Wade's issue. And like I said, the emotional core doesn't shine as brightly as it does for Logan in this movie. I think Wolverine gets the emotional half of this movie, for sure. And the fact that it works well enough after Logan was such like an emotionally heartfelt story for that character, I think, you know, it works pretty well for what it's supposed to do, especially since it's a Logan that we're not super familiar with necessarily. I entirely agree with that and that's I think because Jackman doesn't know how to not commit to this. It's always freaking a hundred percent. Yeah. Jackman is the one that makes it work. And yeah, this one of those movies too, where like I will admit like to the end that it has endless problems and silly things that don't make sense, you know, but like what, when, for me, when a movie is like as funny as this one is, and you know, has so many just like fun features, like if it makes you forget about that, well, in the moment, then you know, it works and like sure, I'll come back to it later and I'll be like, oh, that doesn't really make sense. It's really going to drive you crazy once you realize Deadpool should probably take place in the future. Since Logan is its anchor being in the timeline, but we'll talk about that later. But it's, yeah, I think that the, yeah, the emotional coordination, not only the first two movies, but it, it works, I think within the context of the story they're trying to tell because they were clearly focused on something a little different than just a character arc for those two characters. And that's, it's that larger Fox Marvel universe send off, which, you know, it's fair, I guess. We'll get into that as we get more into things because I have thoughts on what it's doing as well. But I, I guess I do just center back on how it's presented to me because I do think there's a way to do all this better and I'm not just going to keep throwing Sean Levy under the bus. But I mean, it, it's our, as far as like, yeah, you can have Wolverine deliver, you know, the emotional half of the film or what that it just feels like it comes at a cost of making a better comedy. Like, it's weird, it, it, it, it's the same with, it's the same with the action stuff as well. We're like, I'm great seeing that, but it's like, if there's no flavor to any of this, if it's not interesting to watch, which it rubs up against, I do, Eric, I agree with you. Like, yeah, actions, it's not God awful. I've seen bad action. This is the choreography in the fights is great. The way it is shot is not exactly there's one battle royale sequence involving multiple characters, I think is a fucking mess. But like, at the same time, there's this scene in the Honda Odyssey, which I think actually works tremendously well. It's one of the better scenes because there's an emotional through line with that fight compared to other ones. Like where. It forces Levy into a corner too, because like, okay, you have to shoot it like within the Honda Odyssey and like, and that makes it a little more interesting because it gives him a challenge. But it also makes me think how much of this stuff is just second unit being like here, the idea is that we'll do that and then, you know, he'll direct the accuracy. I mean, I will say just as quickly circle back to the Hugh Jackman of it all. Like again, like it is impressive just how much gravitas the guy brings just to like that campfire scene where he talks about his past. At the same time though, like honestly, one thing that one reason why I feel like it kind of why you felt that pacing problem is that it's a huge dose of telling instead of showing like I knowing the scale of this movie, I would honestly kind of appreciate it. If you actually showed me this worst Wolverine in his environment and actually like playing out this story with his other version of with these other versions of the characters. The thing they tell us, they just maybe either yes, want more or less because there's a point where he's asked or he's even he's even told, I don't need to hear the rest of this. I get it. He's like, no, I got to say it. And I'm like, they all died and how like I feel like I need it, I need an actual understanding of this core clearly. Well, it's and especially frustrating too because like Wade himself has the line earlier, it's like, so do you want to tell me what's about their year or are we going to wait for some third act flashback and it's like, oh, but we don't get the flashback. Yeah, right. Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, I guess we get like the moment with Cassandra, like in his mind near all these stones, which would have been a nice time to see more than just here's a very bland representation in his mind. I and this will get more into this in the spoilers section, but like there's certainly stuff that you could also like, you know, cut out and then instead just add more to that and and in just develop it more into something that just is just more interesting than Hugh Jackman telling his story. To say one more great thing about Jack, but for my end, I the other, again, he is very good in this movie. He is putting in the work. No question. And he looks great because, you know, he puts in the time when it's always not I honestly loved his opening. What do you feel when you find the Logan will be dealing with this movie when he's in the bar and he's basically trying to get drunk and Deadpool puts a gun to his head and he just leans his forward into the gun barrel and smiles and like that's the Jackman right there. That's that's good. He's acting everybody else under the table right there who that doesn't have to say anything that stuff that I could appreciate where he just gets how to play this guy. That's that's fun stuff. Um, yeah, the thing. Why does this movie look so ugly? I mean, I get that they're in a void, but I was like thinking about Loki even the void episode five looks awesome. It has color. Okay. It has it has actual stuff going on and I was like, it's like, why? Why are we doing this? I don't know. Like, why does it need to be this gray? Why does it need to look like the the non colored set photos of Mad Max Fury Road? Like, what are we doing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I don't know how much on time do you want to spend brailing on some of you, but like he he was just I feel he was never the right director for this part director for this project in many different respects and it was because Ryan Reynolds felt overly comfortable working with him after three guy and Adam project. I mean, they got what they wanted people that's huge. It's it has good reviews. We all like the movie more or less. I mean, it's so it's fun. Let's talk about the relevance before he gets a spoiler stuff. Let's talk about the villain a little bit Cassandra Nova by Emma Corrin. Did you guys appreciate what she was bringing to table and how the movie incorporated the villain? I appreciate what Emma Corrin brings to the table as a performance. She's doing a lot with a very little, uh, as far as like the meat and potatoes of of the villain that we get because she's really just evil because she's supposed to be evil, especially since she's been in the voids and she was a baby, like there's no motivation for the until they try to get in there like that. Uh, you know, I don't feel like an outcast here because I can use my powers without being judged and it's like, Oh, okay. So you just want to be an evil telekinetic person and you don't want anyone to care. Uh, so I like I like a villain that just likes being a villain. That's that's I mean, sometimes I do, but like, but it's this, this one just didn't seem like it worked for what they, for what they needed in it. I'll get into my thoughts with that. But I do in a general sense, I could use more villains that don't have like trauma backstories and just like last year with the guardians with, um, what's his face? The high evolutionary. The high evolutionary. I like that. He's just an asshole. That's just his thing. You know, I don't, I don't mind that, but for this particular character, it didn't seem like it worked quite as, as well as it could have. I could agree. Yeah. Best efforts. Yeah. That's I agree with you. I mean, like I, I like the notion of a villain that just is evil, but at the same time, it does feel unfortunate that there's not a like a whole X-Men movie dealing with this instead is just Deadpool because this is a really fascinating character. This twin of Xavier, that doesn't have the, the same kind of cotton, like level of consciousness that he does as far as how to regard mutants and powers and whatnot. Like it feels like I would have liked seeing this as opposed to several other X-Men movies. I mean, well, the thing is, is that like, when I first heard that she was playing Cassandra Nova, there was a part of me that was worried because the character originates from Grant Morrison's run on X-Men, specifically the new X-Men. And honestly, she is fucking terrifying, like right off the page, she is the scariest motherfucking villain. Like, I mean, you guys watched X-Men 97, yes? Yeah. That's taken from the comics, and it's Cassandra Nova, who is unleashing the complete annihilation of Genosha. Like, she is a scary motherfucker, and as soon as like, I knew that she was going to be in Deadpool and Wolverine, I knew that there was going to be this like comedy undercut that was never going to let her be as scary as she is on the page. So like, there is, so I was ultimately underwhelmed by the usage of her just because I feel like it could have been so much more in a different project, because it doesn't ultimately use her in any particularly interesting way. I mean, like, I mean, you guys heard the backstory, like, that is the backstory where she is the like, the twin of Xavier, who he killed in the womb. So like, that is interesting material that I feel like could have been played with better with a better and more appropriate tone movie, but so I was ultimately underwhelmed. But I do like what Emma Corrin does, and I like the hand-through-the-head thing. I thought that was a neat and freaky effect. That was the one effect that they used to effect, and I was like, "Okay, you have to see you soon here." Yeah. Right. Yeah. A comedy undercutting a fascinating character from the comic book, so I wonder how that's going to pay off with Dr. Doom. Um, what else before we kind of get this point, which I'm just avoiding at this point? There's a lot of music in this movie. I was curious about this, because when I look at the way Marvel has used, you know, songs within their films, obviously I think there's some highlights, which generally come from James Gunn, who very emotionally chooses the tracks he's going to deploy in his films versus something like, I don't know, Captain Marvel, which kind of haphazardly to select it on just a girl, because I guess there's a girl in it, so that makes sense. This movie has a lot going on as far as music goes, which is not a new for a Deadpool. So what'd you guys think of the selections that we got here? I thought it was a great soundtrack. It's a unique mix of pop songs and rap hits to give it the right vibe of funny and cool. Yeah, just really good kneel drops that really fit the vibe of the scene in question. And one thing I was really, actually really happy with was because they spent so much money to use like a prayer in the marketing, I was very happy to see that they were able to use the movie as well. Yeah, because very rarely do you ever see trailer songs actually end up in the movies, especially in the scene that they are actually using it in. So the fact that they've used it, and they also had a really cool orchestral and choral version of the song used in the finale was great. Unfortunately, neither of those versions of the song are on the official soundtrack. But yeah, I thought it was a fantastic soundtrack that just really worked for the movie overall. That's why you just make a Spotify playlist or whatever and just add it on at the end and be like, "There it is." Now I haven't. Eric, how about you? I mean, I was a little bit more mixed. I think that there are certainly tracks that work. I mean, I feel like I might be alone on this, but I feel like the bye-bye-bye opening scene lasts a little bit too long. It just kind of overstays it's welcome, a touch. And some of the song choices are just, again, a little bit safe. That being said, I was with it, I enjoyed the needle drops, and so it was not the experience that I had with, for example, the Super Mario Brothers movie where I felt every single time a song started playing that my eyes rolled back in my fucking head. Oh my God. But so... Yeah, out of my head. Down the theater. I had to go collect them and do anything else. Right, yeah. I'm on the aisle and I have to chase them to the screen, right, yeah, it will. I went in fairly fresh because they dropped the track list of that soundtrack pretty early and I was like, "Why?" I want to be surprised by this, so I avoided that. But I couldn't help but notice that, you know, NSYNC was all over this fucking thing. They're the premiere and everything, so I'm like, "All right, bye-bye, bye, it's good." And I thought it was fun, like, now you have to be understanding. I always think this in 3D, guys. So there's swords, and heads, and arms popping out of the screen at me. I'm not really going to complain that Deadpool is doing the dance, doing all this nonsense during an opening group. It's fun. But no, I grew up red. I do think there's a lot of fun choices in there, even if I don't think they're necessarily all informed by, you know, the deep appreciation that music that Sean Levy has deep down inside. I mean, I do think that there's a lot of fun and variety in here. Yeah, if I'm on the enough, actually, yeah, I don't even think that some of the best needle drops probably belong to Sean Levy, because Blake Lively did a whole post about talking about just like praising Ryan Reynolds, and obviously that kind of thing, and how much influence her being married to him, like, Adam, and there's so many ideas. And so she mentioned her love of NSYNC and Avril Lavigne and that kind of thing. And so all that stuff clearly just rubbed off on him from Blake Lively. And there's some Canadians in there, so that makes sense for you. But also, Deadpool is irreverent, so it makes sense to have like, you know, nonsense choices as opposed to, you know, the hits of the 70s or whatnot with the Guardians films. This, like, the idea of having Hugo Dolls plays like, yeah, right. I mean, it's very much a millennial energy, again, like very much speaking to our generation. So yeah. I mean, like, late 90s, early aughts, tracklist, yeah. And much like having a X going to give it to you, like having bring them out, play it is like, yeah, right. That gets me in the mood. I'm not happy with this. But let's delve into things a bit more here. Let's delve into the spoiler side of things. So if you haven't seen Deadpool and Wolverine and you want to be completely clean, you know, jump ahead. I put timestamps on these in the comments, so you know where to go. But okay. So obviously there's a lot of surprises here. How do we even talk about this? I guess let's talk about the middle act because that's where like the big hefty stuff comes in, where they meet the others, the resistance group of the void and yes, we have Chris Evans earlier on, who I immediately knew was going to be Johnny Storm because that just made sense to me. But we get to, we get to Electronachios, blade gambit from a gamma move that never existed at a force X 23, whichever window already had complained about because they don't know how trailers were. I have thoughts on the use of these, but the one I'll say, and then I'll let you guys talk about just like what kind of reactions you had to these choices or whatnot. Again, there's, there's fun ways to do these kinds of things and there's having them just walk through a doorway as music plays and say like, look at that person, there they are. And I was, I was at the same as much as I was like, it was neat to see Wesley Snipes somehow come back with the in with a Ryan Reynolds movie, no less. I was also like, surely he could have had a pool or entrance and just walking through a doorway. But whatever, we'll talk about that, Brad, where are you reacting to seeing like these, these major cameos that came in? Yeah, I mean, this is just one of those things where it's just a lot of fun for them to do it. And the fact that it's a Deadpool movie allows them to have even more fun than you otherwise might have. You know, you'd have to be more earnest about it if it were an Avengers movie or even their X-Men movie where you bring it back. And so having that meta commentary from Wade Wilson as a character made us so that there was a lot more fun to be had, you know, because like who gives a shit about Electra and Wade thinking that she's Wonder Woman is a great way to reference her. The jokes about, you know, Wesley Snipes not liking Ryan Reynolds, amazing stuff. All of the stuff that Channing Tatum is doing as Gambit was extremely my shit. I was so pumped seeing him walk in in the goofiest live action Gambit costume that that headgear is so cumbersome, but it's perfect. Like he looks amazing and the fact that he leaned into being a little more comedically hard to understand with the accent, even though the accent is pitch-perfect Cajun Gambit from the animated series, it was fantastic. And all of the sides that he had like referring to like his existential crisis of like, I don't know, maybe I was born in the void. Who knows? I mean, so I will pick you back there and say and take it to the actual level, which is to say Channing Tatum's Gambit is my favorite part of the film, like I love it so, so much. And I am obviously, for the last 15 years, I have been covering movie news consistently and I know every single step of the way of like what happened with Channing Tatum's Gambit. So I am a hundred percent on board and aware of what the joke is here. I have no idea, like to what extent, like people who don't even know that Superman isn't a Marvel character, like how they're going to respond to it, or understand what it means. But I love it so, so much. Like part of it is Channing with the accent, I always had the concern, like I know Channing Tatum like grew up in Florida and like says that he like had like Cajun relatives and that he knew how to do the voice. I was like, but do you really? And to have just Ryan Reynolds just take the piss at him constantly and just cut him down. I just thought it was absolutely historic. And again, the existential crisis of like him not actually existing, but existing gold. I like, I love that. I liked all the quickest sides. He was like, when he never gambit spoke and Deadpool was like not a word and like just then kept going because he couldn't understand anything he was saying. And the way he kept like very important exposition, but I can't wait to say it very quickly addressed the fact that he didn't understand what he's saying and then continued the conversation. That stuff's really good. Here's my question. How big was the reaction in your respective theaters to these things? I'll say in mind first, uh, a lecture was like, hey, that's a thing. Blade was the huge one. And then gambit was like, I guess that's gambit. Like it seemed like it came down. And I wonder if that's a mix of two things. One, he was never in a movie. So it's like, that's not a thing that they recognize. But also the lighting was kind of terrible. Like, if you, unless you like knew this thing that he, Channing Tatum was gambit, I don't think he could really tell it's Channing Tatum for a good while before you like finally eventually steps in some light. So like the people just didn't recognize it. It's like, that's gambit, I guess. Who's playing him? Like he has weird hair. Well, I think, I think the problem is like, it's like he looked, yeah, the head gear and the hair made him look so much thicker than he normally does. Like it was, it was very confusing. Yeah. It's also, but it's also like in shadow, like it's like, yeah, it's, it's weird, but no, my, my 20th day, the X 23, they reacted too big. They're actually pretty happy. My press screening in Chicago, the reaction for both blade and gambit was, was very big. When I saw it a second time, the, the reaction was not quite so excited. Like there were some, some chuckles and like, oh, you know, that kind of thing. But the press screening was where it was the most exciting because the Chicago critics are pretty cool. Yeah. I, I, I saw it LA press screening. And so like it's just nothing, not, nonstop geeks in those roads. And so yes, they like, we're, I mean, I think X 23 got the weakest response. It's kind of sucks that she is held for last just because again, like appearing in that final trailer, which I purposefully avoided. And then unfortunately it was just the main headlining thing and everyone's coverage of the trailer. So that was kind of unavoidable. But it did kind of, it was kind of underwhelming for last. But yes, but, but blade and gambit were definitely the two big kids. But that is interesting that I was curious if audiences are even going to have any idea what the fuck's going on in a gambit. But you know, that just gives people a certain websites as you grab what's going on with this character. As Brad was saying, and as you were saying, like, as he goes along and does the accent, it like he certainly becomes very fun to watch. Like I'd like, in my, in my theater, like people were laughing a storm during like his actual dialogues. It was just more of that initial, like he walks in the room and it's like, wait, who's this? And I will also say, like, he's not just a walking punchline either. Like by the time you actually do get to the fight that isn't all that great and as far as choreography goes, or as far as cinematography goes, he does actually pull off some pretty cool stuff. Like he does some cool exploiting card action, he's got the staff go on. So, you know, he's not, he's not a walking punchline. Like, I appreciate that they actually showed the potential of Channing Tatum's gambit. No, he's also the only character of that group of six that has an interesting different power. Everyone else just stabs things. I mean, that's the, that's the problem with blade and not having vampires kind of takes a little bit. Like it's neat to see his blade spinner and like, you know, there's even this movie and I will say, Electra, like, I heard her big, her big moment is when she just doesn't give a shit about Daredevil, which I'm about, like, I find those are fun bits. Yeah. But other than that, like, fun. I will say among my favorite, like Easter egg type stuff that they do, I have two things. One is at the very beginning and happy Hogan's office. They have that weird, like, desk thing from Iron Man 2 that moves around. I saw that. Yes. That abuse me. I was like, oh, that's fun. But also when, when extra anything puts on the glasses, the sunglasses, I was like, that's good. Like, that's the kind of like, I can get, it's not like I'm not behind these things. But in terms of like little details, like, that's a fun little thing through in there. This is kind of a whole bigger conversation, even about just like the messiness of this movie. But like, I don't even have any idea how X 23 got to the void, like, why, like, it. Well, so, so this ties into my, like, my thing that I mentioned to you about, about how. So if Logan is Deadpool's anchor being, so that means the Deadpool movies had to take place pretty close to, to Logan, which is set pretty far in the future. And so they imply that that version of X 23 is the one from Logan's timeline. So what did she do to get pruned from Wade's timeline and why? Also, like, like, I'm not even sure that it was always the case that Logan was supposed to be the, like, furthest in the timeline of the normal X-Men movies. Like, it was, there was a read of all the X-Men are dead at that point. Well, sure, like, I mean, but it also kind of just like had kind of its own, like, separate kind of entity. I mean, the canon in, yeah, you can be like an else world X-Men. Yeah. But, I mean, but there's even just like such sloppiness in like, I mean, I, for example, like, I have no idea how the hell Deadpool got to the Marvel Cinematic Universe in that opening scene, like, and then he just ends up back in the X-Men universe, like, how? I don't understand that, like, you can't just cross across the multiverse. Like, I don't, that doesn't make any sense. Part of this, I think, like, it's Brad, I have the same thought as far as how, why would X-23 be? Like, my mind is like, I guess I have to think of this, like, Dr. Manhattan, where everything's all at the same time. Like, that's like, for whatever reason, the Deadpool up there, the Wolverine of the Future, that dies. And for some reason, Matthew McFadden's like, I got to get the Deadpool from before that happens. And I don't know. It, like, it makes, it makes my head just think about it. There's even, you know, weird, like, Mr. Paradox even seems to have an awareness of the actual Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is more supposed, like, not really a TVA thing, that's more supposed to be Deadpool's thing. It's just that there is sloppiness like that throughout. I mean, hell, Marvel Jesus thing goes nowhere. Like, it's, like, it sets up this whole idea, like, especially when, like, the buildup for this movie has been like, Marvel has been on a bad streak of late, but this is the movie that's going to save everything. The idea that, like, he never actually, like, gets anywhere near the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This is barely an MCU movie. It's absolutely great. Well, to be fair, I think the Marvel Jesus thing is something that Wade thrusts on himself when it, whereas nobody thinks that he's going to be Marvel Jesus. No, because that's what Paradox is bringing him in to do. Like, he is saying... So, so, well, so here's, here's what's interesting is, yeah, he's not really bringing him in to save the, like, the MCU or anything like that. That's what he kind of pitches to him. But like, he says later in exposition, he says, "For some reason, my superiors think you are special and that you have served some sort of grand purpose in the future. But it's never clarified as to what that means or anything like that or why he even, like, plucked Deadpool when he's already defying his superiors by speeding up the destruction of the time, like, anyway. So, for me, that feels like a mix of both a meta joke on the idea that we don't see value in the X-Men anymore except for you and Hugh Jackman, as well as, if there's some, like, Avengers playing that's going to have Deadpool involved, like, that's what we're hinting at, I guess, like, down the line, it'll be a big factor in one of these movies. So I did have one thought as to how this potentially could work time-wise. And it's only because of a visual, Hugh, that you probably just reading too much into, but I do wonder if Logan still does take place in the future. And the reason that's the reason the timeline is decaying, but it's decaying backwards from that point, maybe. And so, these Deadpool movies are still happening in the past, but something in the future is causing the entire timeline to deteriorate in reverse, maybe, because if you look at the screen, the timeline is going, you know, right to left backwards, so it's possible. And they, you know, they throw that, that, um, four or two footage with Deadpool in his arms for whatever reason. I mean, they're- So, so we found out something about this, actually, slash one, we did an interview with one of the producers. And so one of the abandoned ideas they had for Deadpool and Wolverine was to have the first act be a total comedic remake of Thor the Dark World with Wade in place for Loki. And so that's why they did that shot of Thor with holding Wade instead of Loki. And so I think that that's just like the last remaining nod to that version of the script in there. And it's not really meant to actually be anything referring to something in the future. I guess. But it's also- I mean, why throw it in there? I mean- Yeah, I mean, it just feels like a ball that is ultimately dropped in favor of like- And to be fair, it very well could be something that ends up being referenced in Secret Wars or something like that, you know? Sure. And ultimately, I mean, I do feel like having Deadpool and Wolverine keep the X-Men universe going for themselves. I feel like that is by itself a set up for Secret Wars and just the potential collision of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the X-Men universe, like the 2015 comic book event. I could see that just being how they ultimately bring it back into the mix. But that is a massive digression. Honestly, like actually, just another thing that I just also just wanted to talk about is the Deadpool variants, which I appreciate the idea of getting all this and it is a part of the comics. Like there is an arc of Deadpool, Kill's Deadpool. But I feel like that idea just feels so just like again, like a post-it note that got added onto the script and it's just like, wouldn't it be cool if we threw this idea in there? And if you were to excise all of those scenes from the movie, no changes whatsoever. Like, it feels just so tactile and then when you could have done something like what happened- this is what I was referencing when I was talking about what actually happened to the worst Wolverine. Maybe if you don't do all the Deadpools, maybe you can dedicate a little bit more resources to that. Yeah. I mean, as much as I enjoy like a prayer being scored to an action sequence, there really isn't much there. And I'm curious what you guys think of that because it's another attempt at doing something stylish where they have a kind of side-scrolling camera and slow motion or what to have you. Yeah. On the one hand, like you mentioned the choreography, there's stuff there that I think works but on the other I'm like, it's not a lot of impact that I'm getting from all of this that I wish there was. Like, think of that Guardians 3/1 from last year where that everything feels informed by something where this just feels a little- all right, that's a fun idea, I guess. Yeah, and it kind of made it hard to focus on anything particularly cool that was happening. And plus, I was frustrated because you can see a bunch of really cool Deadpool variants in that pool, but you don't get to see how they're different or how cool they are. You only really see two or three of the variants in the middle of that big fight, otherwise they're just differently shaped versions of normal Deadpool suits. And I would have much preferred to see the cool ones fight in some kind of interesting way in that sequence if you were gonna make it last for that long. Yeah, you got Samurai Deadpool and Matthew McConaughey Deadpool. Like, all these things, I'm like, all right, there's a Cupid Deadpool in there, I'm pretty sure that there's a Greatest Showman Deadpool in there. Yeah, and it doesn't actually engage with it much at all, and I even feel like the end is kind of a cop-out where they all just kind of rally around Peter, like it's not much of a conclusion. And again, it just doesn't add anything. And if this movie had been like Deadpool traveling- I mean, again, there was an arc in the in the comics where Deadpool travels around the multiverse and kills other Deadpool's and like, I mean, it's a lot like the Jet Li movie, the one. But like, if you actually like, if you want to commit to making that movie and have Deadpool going around the multiverse and introduce a bunch of Deadpool's, make that movie. But I feel like it just had, it had no place in this movie and it just like, it kind of just, I didn't, and it also just kind of felt like a way for Ryan Reynolds to bring his wife into the mix, which it, it, yeah, I know what you're saying. It just, much like Cassandra Nova as a character, there's an, if you want to do that thing, there's ways to do it that I think are quite effective as it stands. This is like, it's fun at the moment, but it doesn't really, you want to talk about lasting appeal. I mean, that's the kind of stuff where if I'm going to revisit this movie in the future, I'm going to, I'm going to see these things and I'm going to stand out more to me. I mean, that's, you know, especially without an audience that's there to like, make the atmosphere just seem all the more lively or just be like, okay, like, you're trying to slap all this together. And I will, I mean, yeah, go ahead, Brad. There was a perfectly timed meta line that arrived immediately when I was thinking, and it's right after the Deadpool fight and they go down to, to stop Cassandra Nova using the time ripper. And it's just before you get the terrible exposition from paradox about how to stop it. But Deadpool looks the camera, he's like, don't worry folks, we're in the homestretch. I like the, by the way, that that dog, I'm glad people love it. I think it's the ugliest dog. I know it's supposed to be ugly, but it really is ugly. I do like the bit where not only they kill what nice school and all that and that's pretty funny, honestly. But when, when Logan just stands up with the dog and while quietly walks across and they don't shoot because he's holding the dog, that's cute. I like that. That's a nice little bit. I mean, and I like the dog, like just also the patience of Ryan Reynolds for that dog, just like licking all up in his mouth and just like him just like being completely fine with it. Like, I'll give him a lot of credit for that because yeah, that was well done. Apparently it was very cold and they used salmon paste. Nice. We'll be making a lot of it. So since I've mentioned plane trains automobiles so much this podcast, I do want to point out that there are two great planes transnomobiles Easter eggs. Did you guys see them? No, I didn't. Or if I did, I didn't recognize them with what we thought. So one of them is one that he's actually snuck into a lot of his movies in general, but every Deadpool movie for sure. In Wade's locker is the book that John Candy is reading in French transnomobiles, The Canadian Mountain. You can see the spine that says the northern edge. And then when after Logan and Wade escaped Cassandra Nova's lair when they're walking through a field of the void, you can see the trashed and burnt car. Oh, okay. Transnomobiles and John Candy's trunk is sitting in front of it. That's funny. That's pretty funny. I did also spot like Nakatomi Plaza. There's a bunch of cool stuff. A lot of stuff. I was looking around to try to see what I like. There's a guardianship at one point that's like, yeah, I don't know, buried in the sand. Yeah. Actually, like palace to actually circle back to the happy Hogan scene, which is another scene that is just like also full of various Easter eggs. I want to pose this thought to you guys, do you think that scene would have been a billion times better if instead of happy Hogan, it was Kevin Feige? Oh, man. Yeah. That's that was fun. That would that would set me up for a movie that I think would be smarter than it ends up being. That's, you know, that that is a hundred percent fair. Well, watching that scene, I was just like, I mean, I appreciate the idea. But like idea that like John Favreau was the guy who, I mean, he directed Iron Man and like, you get to have a bit of fun and you have the fun of them there. But no, well, you're, that's a, that's a better idea. I really wish they had done it and like, like, Kevin Feige has not been a cameo guy up to this point. And he has kind of let it obviously, Stanley has more up to that point, taking that, like, taking those reins. But like, especially in like the posts, Stanley era, I feel like that would have been really great if that scene had been done that way. But then I feel like it was a big missed opportunity. And I wonder if they ever even thought of it, but I do, I'm willing to bet Kevin Feige probably isn't a good enough actor to have pulled off what they needed from that scene. I don't know. Like every time I've interviewed him, the guy is able to like, put a smiling face and just like dance around everything and like, I don't know, he's quite a performer. So I don't know. But yeah, that was a straight thought. And I guess I'll bring back to the end, which I also just like, I can't say that I totally loved, which is just like the idea that because it was both of them connecting it, they were both able to survive it again, like, just kind of feels like a cop out, but I don't know. I mean, that's like guardians. You know, they called they don't hold the power. Just like guardians. It's the like, and it was just the second time you said that after like, we have the last scene, and then like, I can agree with you to a point of it's Marvel doing Marvel stuff. But I mean, that to me that in the realm of the things that bug me about this movie and didn't bug me about this movie, the Deadpool films themselves have all the first two, like they're like 80s action flicks that they have Marvel cliches attached to them in a self-aware character. So I'm not, I'm not looking at these being like, I hope they find inventive new ways to solve the problem, because the first one is damsel in distress, origin story, you've seen this 20 times before, the second one's similar as far as, you know, the Marvel characters that had blow point in his life and has to figure out whether or why it wants to be a superhero. Like, it's not innovative in that sense. So the idea that, you know, it's not a big blue beam in the sky, but it's still the same kind of scenario. We got across the streams, I mean, that's, that's the solve, like, that's, you know, that and, you know, you get the, the music's back and all that, and this shirt flies off and then pulls, this is the most pansexual Deadpool we've gotten yet, by the way, very, very, like, he's, he's, very much. And I appreciate it that, like, they had the joke about him wearing the costume, because he did, he got a little out of shape after the divorce, another, like, that's a good dig. That was, that was a darker thing than that. But then also, I could not believe that they, that was, that, that's the kind of, like, they must have gotten to use approval before they wrote it. Oh, absolutely. And I like to think that, like, immediately after that Hugh Jackman just, like, cracked up on set. Um, but, like, yeah, so I appreciated that. Um, so I, one thing I want to do, since we are talking about, like, the big spoiler stuff and the cameo is everything is, I think one thing that undercuts what they're trying to do here, and this kind of ties into the idea that they didn't do that big third act flashback to show what happened in Wolverine's universe, is that for the emotional resonance, they're trying to go for as a way to say goodbye to the Fox Marvel universe, it doesn't feel as strong when you don't have any of the other original X-Men to help send it off. And I think that that's the way you could have done this and really hit a home run. But at the same time, I do wonder if they're holding them back because they're going to use them in secret wars. And that's going to be the big X-Men send off. Yeah. I mean, it's weird that this movie presents itself as if it is to begin with, because it doesn't really do anything with that, because I've heard a number of times being like, "Not only is this a fun movie, but it's a wonderful way to reference the X-Men." It's like, "What did it actually do, though, involving it?" Like, it doesn't have any X-Men in it. It has a character you hate, it'll let you know, as far as movies go. It has Blade, it has nothing to do with X-Men. It has X-23 from a modern Logan film, and it has Gambit, who was never in a movie. So it's like... Yeah. I think it was more of a send off of, like, the Fox Marvel movies that came before, you know? I hear that, but I'm also wondering, but what did it actually do with regards to it? Because when I look at these cameos as fun as they are, it could be any four characters, and it wouldn't make a single difference, like, beyond the kinds of jokes you're telling. So I don't know, like, what it's actually doing that celebrates the 2000s era of Marvel. And I guess, I mean, like, I certainly, I really, like, the juggernaut thing also lost a lot of steam, because you didn't have any Jones playing that role, like, it just didn't land in the same way. I like that all the stunt people for the last stand came back apparently to play the... Sure. Well, I guess you also have... Hyro is in there, so I guess you do have... Oh, yeah, because we're all really excited when they're in stand. And Sabretooth! And came into credits. And Sabretooth. Yeah. There was a... There was a Space Ball stunt double version of the... Yes. Exactly. That's honestly... I exactly had that thought when they, like, when their version of Cyloc and Lady Deathstroke and all that stuff from basically X2 and X3 came out and I'm like, they captured their stunt dump. Like, that was in my head the whole time, I want much best sequence. Like, it's fine. I don't need to be, like, non-stop. I don't need Kelly Hugh to come back, put on fingernails and be like, "Look, I'm here." Whatever. They got Tyler made, that's fun, like, I don't need, like, the rest of them. Yeah. Vinny Jones is like... Vinny Jones is like, "I'm not getting on a plane for anything less than $5 billion." It's like, I'm not going over anywhere. But, I mean, they just also did juggernaut in a better version and a more comic accurate version of Juggernaut in Deadpool 2. So it just, the joke didn't work there. And also, like, having it be Juggernaut's helmet that would fix the, their Kazaninova problem, like, it also just felt like kind of hamfisted and like, "You can't come up with something better than this." But... That's... No. Means to it ends. But I like the, I like the Deadpool strategy of like, we can get Magnet, we can get his helmet and she burned that right away. Fuck! Yeah, there's like bits that, like, that stuff, like, works really. Sure. Also, Wesley Snipes. I mean, speaking of masks. Just to say really quick, Wesley Snipes, looking good. Like, you know, he's not easy. He's like 60 years old. He looks great as well. And good on him for being okay with the whole Ryan Reynolds, so, as you alluded to. I was... That was the interview I most wanted to see following this, after watching, it was like, "I want to see the interview Wesley Snipes gives to why he came back to this." And like... Sure. It's interesting. So I watched one that he did with Entertainment Weekly. Yeah, that's the one I saw. Yeah. During Comic Con. And it's funny because he kind of says that, like, that him and Ryan Reynolds never really had any major beef and they kind of just, like, played it up a little bit and I was, like, "I don't know if I buy this." I... From what I heard, and I think even referenced it in the movie that, like, those two were not on good terms. Like... Yeah, I don't like you and he's like, "You never did." Exactly. I would bet a lot of that goes more towards Goyer, who is probably encouraging Reynolds. Like, "Be funny. Do this stuff." And while Wesley Snipes is sitting over there being like, "Why is this guy being doing this all the time?" That's not what... Like, I... I'm happy that Wesley Snipes is likely caught, you know, he's just in a different place at this place. Like, what do I have to focus on something 20 years ago? I don't care anymore. Like... I mean, I guess I always think of it in the same way that I think of the whole Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey. I will not sanction your buffoonery forever, which is one of my favorite behind the scenes stories. Like, yes, that dynamic does not always yield the best results, but I'm glad that 20 years on or whatever. Here's the thing about Tommy Lee Jones. People talk like Jim Carrey is the only one whose buffoonery he won't sanction. I don't think he's sanctioning anyone's buffoonery. I don't think this is singular to just Jim Carrey. I feel like what Tommy Lee Jones does is exactly being like, "This is the funny I like." Yeah, right. Exactly. This is my sense of humor. This is my kind of humor. Give me an Adam Sandler comedy. That's more by Jim. What else about Deadpool? I guess I also will say seeing Hugh Jackman finally wearing that mask and in the full costume. The cow is fun. I like seeing the cow. I do. And it just also... And I appreciate it also again in the commentary of like, "Why have you been embarrassed of this for 20 years? It looks great." So these decisions behind the scenes were just very, very stupid. So to get the satisfaction in that sense, I very much appreciated it. I'm a brown and yellow fan myself. So I was happy that we got that early montage of Wolverines and we got to see that costume. And they got the age of apocalypse in there and so, yeah. Aaron Stanford, they got him and those teeth that he was wearing. What else? Anything else on Deadpool and Wolverine? That's a lot. A great Chris Evans profanity-laden tirade for the post-credits scene. Yeah. Good stuff there. I like that turn around on him. That was fun as far as what we're meant to believe versus that it actually does happen. That's fun. I like that. And again, the second Chris Evans showed up, I was just sitting there like, "That they're not going to make him cap. That's ridiculous. They'll make him Johnny Storm. He didn't. It was fun. It was still funny. It was quickly thrown into the conversation and I'm curious because I can't take credit for this and I wish I could give the credit, but it's something I just randomly saw on Twitter. Do you think that there is something a little disingenuous in this movie taking pot shots at literally everything but also having this loving reflection on the existence of the X-Men movies, but they're being absolutely like nothing about Brian Singer? No, I mean, I think that's because that's kind of a touchy thing to make jokes about. You're not going to make jokes about how a director sexually assaulted some people. I mean, that's probably not the best move. And it's also a legal matter and it's still all allegedly. Also, yeah. If you was convicted and in jail currently, there's a, I think there's a, I think there's a war in that exactly. It's a war in having to travel that. As it stands, it's like, it's the worst cap secret and we're trying to, it's certainly people have tried to file things against him, but there's nothing that's actually concrete that they can do without getting into, you know, more troubled than it's then it's worth, honestly. I think the closest they came to doing that was in Deadpool 2 when there's a scrolling news bar that says Christopher Plummer turns down role in Deadpool 2, which was because of the TJ Miller controversy and them talking about replacing him with Christopher Plummer after he replaced Kevin Spacey in that movie. Oh, oh, here's the thing I wanted to talk about. Deadpool's family that he boasts about throughout the movie. Not a lot of them in this movie, despite high billing for both Rob Delaney and Miranda Bicare. I mean, I guess both of them more than most, like, if you want to think of it that way. I mean, yeah. Like, okay, we're not getting a ton of Colossus or Negasonic Teenage Warhead, fine, I guess, but they, that's, that's the kind of thing that rubs me where when I'm watching this movie trying to, like, evaluate it as like, is it just fun or what? Because it's like, it's about two movies of Deadpool, like, working hard to make sure that he can still be with, with, with Vanessa, right? And this movie is just like, I guess they broke up at some points for reasons. Period. And I mean, again, it's just, there's so many ideas in this movie that just feel half-baked and we're kind of just, like, shuttled in there and just never properly developed. And while you, but if you had, like, committed to certain ideas and then cast some others aside, you would have been in a better place. But again, it, there very much is a, like, too many cooks in the kitchen. And that's the thing. If it wants to be out and out zany comedy, if it wants to be just pure Zucker Brothers, do it. Be Zucker Brothers. But if it wants to, like, both do that and add pathos for two different characters with a lot of history, I, you got to find a better way to do it because that's, that's, that's why I'm, like, merely fine with this movie as opposed to over the moon about it because I just, you know, if I'm, if I'm raking, if I'm grading my experience of watching it this one time through, cool, it was fun, I was entertained. If this is, like, this thing that I'll, you know, be on TV and I'll revisit, I know my head's going to be like, problem, problem, problem, and I, like, I just can't, like, willingly say, get 10 out of 10, the best thing ever. Like, it's just, that's not where I'm at. Right. And again, like, and again, I kind of wish that there was, like, some kind of big signature moment within it somewhere that, like, I could always, like, look forward to. But it really is mostly just about, like, fun cameos and a good entertaining time. And, well, I mean, again, super funny, like, I, I laughed and was entertained throughout the entire thing. So I can, I can, I will always give it to that. And, like, frankly, having the experience of an out-and-out comedy like this within audience, which, like, I, like, I, like, while I was writing my review, I was like, what did I consider, like, what were the best comedies of 2023? And it really just, no good, like, it is, it is, it is, like, it has been kind of studio comedies, especially, have been so flat of late and just, like, unable to kind of, like, really bring in the energy that this one does. So, I, I give it a lot of credit in that respect. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's one of the things that makes it work so well for me, too. It's like, we're missing so much, like, of this comedy energy in theaters these days that, like, you basically have to get this from the IPs that allow them to do it. You know, it's like, it's like, it's unfortunate, but, yeah, mutant mayhem last year, you know, is another one that's very funny, you know, that really functions as a good comedy as well as being a great animated, you know, action comic book movie as well. So, yeah, you know, I, I wish that there were more opportunities for just straight up comedy so that you wouldn't have to have this delicate balancing act, but thankfully, you know, Deadpool is a character that does make it work much better than, you know, pretty much any other Marvel movie could say for Guardians and Thor Ragnarok. One thing I laughed at that no one else in my theater laughed at is, for one thing, Rob Delaney, I think is very fun in this movie, for what he's given to do. And he comes in at the very end, for whatever reason, after the whole Deadpool variance thing, when he comes in at the very end, after they've blown up the device, and what's her name? Wudmi Masaka, when she just looks at him and is speechless, because she's like immediately like wrapped up in him, that cracked me like, and nobody laughed at this, nobody like caught on to this joke that Peter just has like barely anybody registered, like, Wudmi Masaka on after V15, like, back in action after Loki, like, I feel like that got almost no reaction, but I appreciate it. People don't care about these fucking TV shows, that's why, that's the reason. I do invest all the money they want, the people don't care. I do want to give some credit to Matthew McFadden too, because even though he's given a lot of exposition to throw around, he does bring a very good comedic performance to the role, and he has, like, great delivery with a lot of lines that otherwise would sound super silly, and he gets some good moments to like, you know, just be funny in his own right as a character, especially reacting to Wade. One in particular, actually, in that scene you're just talking about, is there's the silence when V15 is just looking at Peter, he just goes, "What's going on?" There's another bit where he describes, because he describes that a friend of his gut, nipple piercings, and then a chain that goes down, and then later on you see it's him that has that. And he has like, yuki or whatever, to like pull it, and he's like, "That's the fun!" Anyway, "Deadpool at Wolverine" is currently at theaters at IMAX. Brad, let me start off with you, when should people see this movie? Well, if for some reason you're a versus spoilers, congratulations, you made it this far. You can probably see it as soon as possible. But yeah, I mean, see it just because, yeah, everyone's talking about this movie, it's a lot of fun to see with an audience, so yeah, see it while people are still rushing the theater to check it out. Eric, how about you? Exactly the same. Very good. Yeah, like I do think the, not only the fact that it's overall fun, but yeah, the atmosphere that a movie like this creates as far as like, let's all just have a good time and laugh. I respect that. I may have issues with the film itself, but I do think, yes, it's a summer blockbuster that's full of stuff that's designed to, you know, make you have a good time, not against that at all. So it has its fun, if there's fun to be had, check it out. Okay, let's move on now. It is a time for what time? It's time for some games over here. All right, that was, of course, if we're up for games that I have a game for you guys this week. And Abe, he was originally going to do games, it's his week for games, but he's not here, but he gave me his game. And so I'm going to do it with you guys. This is who tweeted, this is where I present various tweets that the three of us have made at some point. Oh my God. I was assuming in regards to, yep, in regards to X men related things and you have to guess which of which of the three of us originally tweeted these things. So if you think you know the answer, say your name and who you think tweeted the various tweets that I'm about to read out. Here we go. Okay. Here's the first one. Believe the hype, not only is Logan hands down the best X men movie, but it might be the best comic book movie ever made. Brad? Brad? Yeah, he has it. Brad? That's gotta be me. That is you. You're on the board. Here's the next one. Top number one is the awesome galaxy of comics, where I not only loaded up with Deadpool single issues, but got this awesome box to keep my full collection in. That would be me. That would be my, depending on the answers on the show that it's you. Yeah. Every comic book day I go out with my best friend Silas and go out to as many comic book stories as we can possibly fit in. And usually I stock up on Deadpool stuff. I have a huge Deadpool collection. So yeah. Nerds. Nerds. Here's the next one. Hugh Jackman wants to emphasize the practical effects in Neverland. As long as he takes attention away from Garrett Hedlund, we win. Is that your yard? Yeah. I was really, really harsh in the Garrett heads. I was mean. I like Garrett Hedlund. That was me, dude. I come born now. This, this is for pad, which I hated. So, like along the world. Here's the next one. Every now and then you're, you remember some strange things like Hugh Jackman being a supporting character in Chappie. I think that's going to be Aaron. It is. I have abused by that, I have abused by that one. I'll stand by that one. I am Chappie and also it is strange to be like, Oh yeah, Hugh Jackman was a supporting character in Chappie. Yeah, that's a very forgettable film. Next one. So very happy to hear about all of the sold out X-Men first class screenings. The drought is over people. X-Men are back. Brad? No, that's not me. I don't think. No. What was it? What's your name? Brad, I'm going to say it's Eric. It is Eric. That's an Eric. Really? I have honestly no recollection about it yet. Oh, you don't remember your tweet from 2011. You don't remember that one. I wonder what the drought was, was it just a really bad early year? I mean it was probably the first class is X-Men Origins Wolverine and like the last stand. Oh, so an X-Men drought. Okay, fair enough. And like Green Lantern's that summer. I mean, you know, that's DC, but still, I mean, it's not a lot of good. Here's the X-Men. Detective Pikachu is like Deadpool Jr. without the meta jokes. Lots of wise cracking for ride rentals with just enough edge to work for adults and kids. Great world building, average story, a somewhat flummoxing ending. Still enough to make it the best video game movie ever. Is that you Aaron? Not me. Thank you. Brad for the steel. I think it's me. It is you. Great. Here's the next one. Ryan Reynolds is Detective Pikachu, but the real detective is inside us all. Oh, that's got to be you Aaron. That's me. I'm crushing these two needs. Hugh Jackman is also quite the scene stealer in his few minutes on screen in butter. That was me. It's not you. Not me. Okay. I think it's me. That's you. Okay. I think I'm one of the few people who remembers butter. Yeah. Let alone scene. Yeah. Here's the next one. But late to this party. Okay. Late to this party, but Logan is legit, love the action and tone and really, really, really hoping this is just the start for X-23. Brad. No, it's not me because I already had the tweet about it. Yeah. So I'm going to say it's Aaron. It's not. It's me. Sorry. It's Eric. Oh, it's me. Yes. It's you. I mean, okay. Yeah. I mean, I really like to explain anything. You're late to the party. I'm late to the party. Yeah. That's one point for me. Again. We'll back it again. Here's the next one. The kid from the crossfire commercial is returning for Deadpool 3. Aaron, that was you. It's got to be, right? Not me. No, it's me. It's you. Yeah. That's funny. If there's one person who's going to make a reference to the crossfire commercial, it's going to be me. I guarantee I probably liked that tweet. I probably found the gift of it going, yeah, yeah, you kind of in the crossfire. We used to be a country. Holy shit. #deadpool is going to be exactly the movie the fans want. Footage just got a standing ovation in hall H. Yeah, that's me. It's not you. I'll be fuck. I'm terrible at this game. It's the game. Oh, man. Apparently, I'm the king of hyperbole. Yeah. Yeah. Heck you, that you got marbled at comic-caught. It's going to get you. I did. It's going to get you. All right. That's going to be fun. Is anyone out there, if anyone out there is listening, any possibility of seeing a Deadpool animated series ever? I think it's got to be Eric. It is Eric. Yeah. Okay. Rest in peace. Donald Glover's idea. I know, right. I could have made, yeah, that's it. I mean, it just made $200 million. They could still put it back on the table. Yeah, right. Maybe. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I don't need anything distracting Donald Glover from making the community movie. So maybe we put that on ice for at least a minute. Well, with all that said, Eric, you came in second place here at Brad. You're the winner of who tweeted. I mean, I mean, congratulations. Well played way to, way to guest tweets. All right, let's move on now. Let's get to the mountain. Now feedback feedback feedback, feedback is where we go is various questions to answer the Facebook page, Facebook.com has sent a podcast. We asked a number of questions to the listeners and they gave us answers and then we got a question this week as well. Brad Eric, feel free to go answer these as well as I go through these answers here. First up, what would be, what would now be the most exciting superhero team up for a film? Scott Mendelssohn writes, "In a simpler time, I was genuinely looking forward to a Tachala and Venom adventure." Varkov, my friend of the show, right. Scarlet Witch and Punisher, I vote Olsen and Bernthal. I'd love to watch the two Colossely messed up people go on an adventure. And Philip Hurd has Spider-Man and Iron Man with RDJ and Holland jumping back in time before the snap like how Black Widow did. So, any exciting superhero team ups? I don't know if I'm breaking rules, but Booster Gold and Blue Beetle is a team up that I'd like to see animals and never to DC on that one, but with our current Blue Beetle. But, if you mean by that, Jason Zadek is no. Oh, you mean with, I mean, no, I mean, and you're like, yeah, not like Tim, he was good. And you had a parent with the right Booster Gold, but yeah, sure. What does Booster Gold do? I mean, he's from the future and he has a bunch of great technology and he comes back into the past and he does that technology to be a superhero, but he's kind of an arrogant asshole. So like in the process, able and Bishop and Forge, everybody in the future always sucks. Well, exactly. I mean, it's not like Cable and Bishop and that he's not like this boss. He's not there. Not whining all the time. I'm a kind of guy. But instead, it's like, he's just, yeah, he's just kind of a smarmy dick. Like as much as I was enjoying X-Men 97, every type of cable shop, like, oh, here we go. It's gonna be a whole deal. He's so bitter about the future. Yes, he's like, I'm not Bishop, like, didn't do that because that was his little thing on the old show too. Oh, we got to stop that gambit. He's a terrible guy. My God. Calm down. Let's just have some fun over here. Anyway, Brad, the shadow, the phantom and the rocket's here. With them, with Billy Connolly, Billy Zane, Alec Baldwin now. I got, get Ward Beatty on that docket as well. Oh, my God. Yeah, by all means. Get it all in there. Be amazing. Back as Dark Man. Oh, there we go. Get Glee and he's an Arnold Voslu. I'd watch all of this. I'd watch all of these things. I like that pulp era a lot. You fucking get Banderas in here too. Like, we've got Zorro's on the scene, right? You can make it work. There you go. I'm a big fan of that era of superhero stuff, so I would welcome, like, seeing those, regardless of the casting, those characters again, that'd be, that'd be fun. Yeah. You know, team ups people. I don't know, I don't have anything in mind. I don't know. Everything is just like, "What if this?" I don't care. We get so many of these things. What's next here? What are your favorite Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds performances? Mark Hoffmeyer writes, "Prisoners, the fountain, the voices, and free guy. He'll have heard has the Wolverine and the Woman in Gold, for Jackman and Reynolds performances." "Prisoners is awesome. I really do love that movie." Yeah, Prisoners. I dig Ryan Reynolds in a Buried, Buried is awesome. Yeah. Buried was the era of Ryan Reynolds when he was trying new things. That was like, yeah, when he was, like, really, like, actually trying to do stuff, which is, again, not what he's doing now. Hugh Jackman's really good in bad education, too. He is. Yeah. He's a good one. You know, I have a soft spot for just friends. Like, I don't know why it's a dumb word. I've heard that from people. Yeah, it's funny. I mean, I'm not going to speak against the fact that Deadpool is his, like, perfect character. Like, it does seem like that's a kind of, who else do you cast for this kind of thing? Yeah. Oh, I do love Ryan Reynolds cameos in Seth McFarland's movies. Okay. Because they're always, they're always just silent, and he's just, it's kind of random what he did here. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh. Mississippi cried. That's a really good, that's a really good one. Oh, that's a good one. Yes. I like that one a lot. Yeah. Jackman, I mean, the Prestige comes to mind. I do like him in the fountain a lot, actually. I do think that's not a lot of easy stuff that he's doing in that movie, because Darren Arnowski doesn't make things simple. So I do like him with that one. All right. Next question we have here. It's probably not a lot of answers to this one. What's your favorite song, non-score, to be used in a superhero movie? Filibert has the Cures playing song and Ant-Man, that's a wonderful choice. I mean, come and get your love in Guardians of the Galaxy. I feel like it's such a perfect tone setter, like, and just it especially because like, it ultimately, it really does tell you what the ultimate goal of the character is, just throw an opening dance sequence through a credit, but it also like you immediately understand who the character is. And yeah, I really love how that song's used. Gosh, I'm thinking that, because I'm trying to think about ones that like, aren't from Marvel movies, you know, that's just the topic we're on. Well, you know. That dance, obviously. Well, of course. I mean, you can't go wrong with it. Pretty much any Prince song or like, "Hold Me, Kill Me, Kill Me, Kill Me, Kill Me." Like I think Brandy is, that's really well used, narratively, for Guardians 2, however. If we want to talk about songs I've listened to the most, it's "Wam Bam" Shang-A-Lang from Guardians of the Galaxy 2. I listened to that all the time. It's great. And like, I'm really obscure, and there's infinity wars, like, shockingly fun too. I really enjoyed it. I mean, that's just a completely random one, but yeah. James Gunn is good. How's what he's doing? He does. Brad, did you have anything? No, I'm just, I see him thanking me too long to really properly dig in. I mean, also gives some credit to the AC/DC usage in the Iron Man movies. Like, I thought that was, that always was fun for me, just that coming back. I like that Iron Man 2's soundtrack was just a greatest hits album of AC/DC. But we didn't even need to have to do anything because, all right. What's your weapon of choice for battling superheroes and supervillains? Mark off my right to tree stumps. Philip Heard has electricity sized for aesthetics and Thor's hammer for its power and exclusivity. What's the other thing that Storm, was it Storm Moon? Stormbreaker? Stormbreaker? That's a universal use, right? That's universal. Yeah. Anyone can do that. Yeah. And probably super light. Yeah. Let me get myself behind me here. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna go with old fashioned telekinesis. Wait, you say weapon or power? I mean, you could use it as a weapon. Yeah. Exactly. I'm taking advantage of a loose phrasing. Yeah. I have on a Moto, would be pretty useful, especially just like anything goes wrong, just being able to fit. You're gonna mess things up. You're gonna fuck things up for the rest of us. Oh, well. Too bad. So sad. Mine is what makes sense to me. The weather. That just seems like a very universal, like a very useful power. Oh, so you're the Avengers. You're Sean Connery from the Avengers. Exactly. That's what I was thinking of. When it comes to weather powered superheroes, I only think of Sean Connery in the Avengers. Yeah. That's what I immediately went to. Again, I was thinking weapons as opposed to powers. So, like, if you're going to go weather machine as opposed to innate ability to control the weather. Yes, Sean Connery in the Avengers. Damn it. Again, I am pulling out these references to movies that nobody has talked about in 20 years. My, my, okay. My weapon of choice is grab the hole can say go. And then he does this thing. That's, that's my weapon of choice. Cause I, that now, I'm not even getting tired at that point. He's doing the work for me. That just seems useful. You know what weapon I've always loved? Is the, the, the shock wave gun from minority reports that you bring up by. Six six. Whatever. No, no, no, no. The stick. The stick that like the other way. Yeah. Yeah. That rotates and then shoots like shock waves. It's like, yeah. It's not, they're like non-leap the weapons. But yeah. No, that's cool. I like that. I like the six stick too. Six six. Well, because they say six. Like, oh, it does the thing that it did. Like it did. It's like it's promise. Thanks, Spielberg. And I mean, it's also just not a terrible idea. Like, I mean, like when you're like leaning over vomiting, you're not running anywhere. I got, I got big speaking of movies we don't talk about. I got big mystery, mystery men vibes from that. It's like, oh, yeah, all my weapons are non-lethal. That's like six sticks and grab like gravity guns. It's like, it's pushing that. Next question. What's your favorite pet from a comic book movie? Luke Thompson has goose from Captain Marvel. And Philip Bird has does Baby Groot count. I mean, maybe Groot kind of does what Baby Groot wants to do. But fine. Sure. It's a chai. It's rocket's child. I feel like it's the more appropriate. But they say from a Marvel movie. From a cop from any comic movie. Oh, from any comic movie. Um. Hmm. That's surprisingly tough. It really is. I might want to Jim Carrey's dog in the mask. Milo. Milo. Yeah, that's pretty good. I like a nice little dog like that. Yeah. He gets the keys and the cheese. Maybe Anthony from Ant-Man. Yeah. Yeah. Not Antonio Banderas. He dies too quickly. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Double butts. Exactly. Here's a question for you guys. I didn't recognize what this was. There's a point in Deadpool. Where I think it's the caravan that's driving like all of them to Cassandra's place. There's a little purple bird. No idea. What the hell were those? Yeah. I know those are either. I was like, is this something I don't reckon? Like I guess it is because it has to be something. Yeah. Yeah. I've not been able to find anyone who's been able to identify what they are. We need more than three days. I guess to get that one down. Okay. Good. So I'm not alone in this. Because that's an obvious thing. It's like, Oh yeah. It's not a thing from, you know, the X been the last and of course. All right. Um. Let's see. What other villains should Deadpool take on? I don't have any answers for this one. Any other Deadpool villains? Yeah. I feel like seeing Deadpool take on the Tom party version of venom would be a lot of fun. Yeah. Okay. I would enjoy that. Uh. Well, I really got the most important ones, I guess. Like. Yeah. I don't really think about him in the context of his villains so much. No, that's fair. Yeah. So this movie did make me think about how they would incorporate Deadpool into the MCU. Proper. If aside from doing his own thing, like if he were to appear in one of the Avengers movies and like that, because they did make very much sense. He's just naturally a sarcastic, funny guy. And so I feel like if they are going to bring him in, like that will be the rule. Like, okay, like Deadpool can be in earth, six, one, six, but he cannot break the fourth wall. Hmm. I will say one thing. One idea that I've been clinging on to ever since the first Deadpool in the whole thread of it potentially being PG 13 is I like the idea of Deadpool being bleeped and then being pissed off that he's being like, what the fuck is that? Yeah. I. Yes. That was. I'm not going to say that makes it a better movie, but that did excite me at the idea of, oh, he's just Disney. They could just like not make him or, but that would be the solve. He would just still do things and just bleep of whatever. It's fine. Yeah. Ideally, that does happen in like, you know. I don't think that's what we're talking about. Do doomsday or secret works, but we'll see what the visionaries have in store for us when they make their movies. The visionaries. The visionaries. That's it. I don't even, I don't even need this other days anymore. We know who we're talking about. What a generous description that the trailers told me that. I'm just going with what they said. And the trailers. The trailers. The trailers never lie. Look at Marvel movies. Last question. And this should get us into some comic-con discussion. But from Marvel. Next year, we will have at least three films and who knows about the shows. Is that preferred or should it be geared more towards less? Brian White. All right. Sounds like they need good scripts and a good director. Philip Bird has, I think Marvel's problem has been quality, not necessarily quantity. The need for a course correction is clear. So scaling back and returning to what has connected with broad audiences seem prudent. And then scaling out from a position of strength. Nicely thought out sentence. So, yeah. What should Marvel be doing? And with that, let's talk a bit about what happened to comic-con yesterday. Because we had, obviously, obviously, presentations with Thunderbolts and Captain America and Fantastic Four. Two of those have been shot essentially. And one of those is like, like starts filming tomorrow, right? Something like that. Yeah. And then the big news. There you go. And then the big news was that the Russos have been officially confirmed for coming. The visionary director is the Russos. Sorry. I've been officially confirmed to be coming back for both Avengers. Seeker Wars and the now titled Avengers doomsday. And on top of all that. Oscar winner, Robert Downey Jr. came out to reveal that he is going to be playing Dr. Doom in at least doomsday. Probably the most obvious and credit scene of the time. I actually think they said both. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You can't take care of doing one movie. So with all of that said, where are you, where are you guys with like what Marvel like needs to be, what they should be doing necessarily. I mean, I do think that they should be scaling back, but at this point, they also have to do damage control to wrap up what they've already set up with the multiverse saga and also deal with the Kang of it all. And while I would have preferred that they simply recast Jonathan majors with somebody like Denzel Washington and introduce him as a stronger Kang variant that just destroys all the other King variants. That would have been the way to go. But at the same time, they did kind of establish that Kang and what happened in Ant-Man of the Lost Quantomania wasn't necessarily a high point. And so maybe continuing that storyline and keeping that going isn't the best decision. And so trying to inject something that even though it's safe is a little more exciting for a long time fans and like putting like a real big multiverse cap on the multiverse saga. I still feel lazy and desperate to me at a time when Marvel needs a home run and obviously Deadpool and Wolverine is a big hit for them, but they know that they have to bring people back who have already lost faith in everything else in the Marvel Universe and bringing Robert down a junior back as a Tony Stark variant of Dr. Doom is one way to do that. It's not my preference because I would much rather have a proper Dr. Doom in the MCU before they do something like this but I mean, I don't I'm not sure that it is a variant. It's going to be, it's going to be Tony Stark. I mean, that's the thing though is that that is the one kind of thing that I am clinging to. I do agree with you that there is a level of desperation is like, let's make sure that we bring back like the Golden Age of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But like if you have like the star power of Robert Downey Jr. but you as you should keep him behind a mask for his entire performance and just have him be Victor Von Doom. I like that a lot like I won't do that, man. And also, let me hold on to some hope here guys. He doesn't want to wear the Iron Man costume like he's not going to sit there behind a mask. I also think it's worse like there are other actors out there like why there's a lot of other actors out there. Like if he's not playing a Tony Stark variant, then why? If we are, I'm saying, well, it's because you can have Robert Downey Jr. and if you keep mind the mask, then you don't have to, you can have him play a completely different role while still having the gravitas of having to do. He's not going to wear makeup to be deformed. I'm living in the world where this is happening. And so, if it's going to happen, this is the way I want to see it. That's literally all this is. I'm so happy you were in the room to see this, but that's what my... Not only are you in the room, I actually like, I don't know why, but I like have predicted. You're the guy that says you're sitting over. Like, no. Like I like the lights went down like they started glowing green and then I was like, oh shit, Doom. And then like they had the slower feel of the logo, Doom's day. And then you had like the crowd of the guys, just crowd of Doom's on stage. And for some, I can't tell you why my instinct went here, but like when I saw the one guy standing amid Kevin Feige and the Russo's, there was just some part of me that says, that's Robert Downey Jr. and ended up being Robert Downey Jr. That being said, like, and then take this back to like the Deadpool and Wolverine of it all. Like I feel there was a degree where like this movie was hyped for a really long time as being like the movie that's going to write the ship and set Marvel on the right path again. And like, and it's funny that the movie again, like even references the fact like you're coming into the MCU at a downtime. Sorry about that. It's hilarious to me that we're seeing that the audience, the perception of the MCU is that we're at a downturn. And I'm like, it's just like what one movie wasn't that great. And I thought the Marvel's was fine. I mean, I wouldn't need to sit in on the Marvel's. I like the Marvel's. It's really quite a mania that really like, and quite a man. It was followed by the giant hit that was Guardians 3. Right. First of all, I'm a quantum media defender, but I think also forgetting that Thor Love and Thunder is not very good. Another giant hit. I'm just saying, as far as quality goes, since since I'd say Spider-Man. I mean, this Spider-Man movie is not actually not what's standing and Guardians 3 not what's standing. The quality just hasn't been as good and like movie just haven't been as good as they were in like phase two and phase three. I'm certain like spark that I could agree. Yes is like, but I mean, I don't think general audiences really discern that much. I think they see these movies and they're like, that was fun. They're doing all of my life. They don't sit here on a podcast talking about Marvel movies over and over again. But I guess it is kind of where I am with that Paul Wolverine, which like, you do have that quality where people are going to walk away from and say like, yeah, I had a lot of fun watching that movie. But as far as, again, speaking as the people in this room and who like enjoy like following the track of this, like, I'm not terribly instilled with confidence that Marvel has its shit together and it's going to start making amazingly like really well crafted, really good movies coming up. And like, I like the stuff that I saw, like the test footage that they saw from Fantastic Four. It was kind of just like random and kind of just gives you like little pieces of energy. The Thunderbolt material, like, it looked neat, but I also had just no general sense of like what the movie is or just. Well, it's got an asterisk in his title Eric so they're clearly playing it very, very coy with that. And then like, I don't love the fact that the whole, like, literally Kevin Feige's big sell. And he sold it at both CinemaCon and San Diego Comic Con with this that like, remember how great the grounded, like, awesome action of Captain America, the Winter Soldier is. Well, we're trying that again. And A, that was what they tried to sell me with Black Widow and I didn't really like Black Widow. Like, I thought it was kind of a mediocre chapter that came to wait and I maybe would have had more appreciation for it if he had came before Avengers Endgame. As it was, I just kind of thought it was a thing. Why is this here? Yeah, I get that. But like, but like with phase two, when Captain America, the Winter Soldier came out, like, you had this, like, badass conspiracy thriller coming out in between like this really diverse slate of movies where each of these films is not doing the same thing. And so the idea that you're just telling me, oh no, we're just like, harkening back to the best age of Marvel. I don't want them doing that. I want them to experimenting with new things and trying something fresh. And so like, and I can't say that was like blown away by their presentation, but. And that's the point that I was trying to, I was getting to as far as, I mean, we could talk about whether or not the quality is there, but I do see those movies as trying a lot of things as far as she or eternals or what changed to another big hit, by the way. But also the other, but the other problem is that the multiverse saga lacks the focus. It does. No, I, I entirely agree. But, but there's choices being made. And Eric, what you're speaking to exactly my issue as a whole of Robert and a junior, like you guys are saying, it does feel lazy and desperate because instead of embracing the issues they've had and just trying to find better ways to handle them. Going back and playing the hits, because we know that regardless of what general audiences think where again I do think that they're generally just like, you know, it's fun. Like I get done. They're instead embracing the geek nerd culture that they feel needs to dictate everything and saying, let's bring Robert any junior back because, you know, they'll like that. That'll get the biggest cheer. So what her star wars in such a devastating way. Exactly. It's exactly what her star wars. So, it's upsetting. It's upsetting that, will there be something good that comes out of Robert Jr's Doctor Doom? Probably Robert Jr. Like, I'm not, you know, the idea of that being a bad movie is like, no, I mean, it'll be fine. It's just, but for me, for me, the most we deserve better is by points. Well, that and Doctor Doom is such an interesting character on his own. You don't need to make it more interesting by making Antonio start. No, yeah, it's a great opportunity for another actor to play that character. Yeah. And I guarantee anyone that would have unfurled their mask would have elicited the same amount of cheers and comic con hall H as Robert any junior did. So, I'm glad that they won comic con in that capacity, but for what? Let Bo and Yang play Doctor Doom. If Bo and Yang came out and revealed his mask, people would be fucking cheering so high. What a game Twitter would be like. If you were saying, hold on, but you'd get the same reaction because we'll be like, what is it saying? Like, it's nonsense. But what if it happened? By the way, you mentioned like, get it like Denzel obviously, he's not signing up for this kind of thing. But it is funny to me that like they, I mean, I'm sure they look for upwards of five minutes for another black actor, but like they have Gian Carlo. So, you know, I think the best was it was like, he could play a kang or it could be like six lead in Captain America. Like, you know, what, what can we do here? Like, it's, you know, beyond like everything we're always saying if you wanted to start about the optics alone of we can't replace a black actor but instead we'll get, you know, the white guy back to do a game until that's powered and not too old. But yeah, that apparently never happened. Like Marvel's logic at this point. We didn't really cast anybody. If anything, we'll just use them twice. I do think it did come at a time when they realized that maybe the the kang stuff wasn't as hitting as much as they needed it to. And it was probably like, well, you know, blessing in disguise. Like, you're saying you're your senior automated defender. I mean, my biggest issue was kang just feels like he's in an entirely different movie. Like if they want to know what he's a thing like for for all of Jonathan major's terrible transgressions that have played out like he was a fantastic actor as can. He gave a hell of a performance and I would have loved to have seen what that villain would have done against the Avengers. Unfortunately, he sucks as a person. And we don't get to see how that plays out. But it would have been interesting to see how kang did work out as a character if, you know, in a different universe. And we presumably still could, but that wasn't the choice they made. So yeah. To leave this off of a happy question. This is from Markov Meyer here. It's what's a moment of fan service that really made you happy. It's just a fun moment of fan service in any movie. Like the portal scene in Avengers endgame. I still, I'm shocked by that. Like that scene is just so fantastic and just seeing it's everything that you really wanted it to be it's when I like first started thinking about what the Marvel Cinematic Universe could be back in 2008. And the idea of like all of these, like vast array of characters from a interconnected universe coming together to fill a big splash page, just like in the middle of a comic book. Like I, I'll never forget seeing that for the first time that blew my mind. Yeah, I think that's, that's definitely a high bar there. But I mean, the one that's just, it's just too fresh and I loved it so much honestly seeing transit in a game it was just a blast. Like really, it was, it was just very cool you can tell he was having the time of his life and the fact that they were able to have fun with it made it even better. I'm trying to think of like not obscure things but there's like things that come to mind like just like King Kong references but not. But I mean, seeing something in like Godzilla King of the monsters and seeing like a CG rendered kadora, like costing $200 million. That made me pretty happy. Like seeing seeing a combination of like monsters coming together that I like grew up watching and they're like these beautifully rendered colorful things now it's like, yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty great. Oh, even though this larger scene is not nearly as good as it should have been, or it seemed it could have been. But when Professor X shows up and Dr Strange and the multiverse of madness and they use our casual version of the X-Men anime series. Didn't it just plays on the soundtrack that that was a good, that was a good little bit. Yeah, that was nice because it made up for me having to look at John Krasinski's big ass nose is fantastic. What does John Krasinski do to you? He just looks at the camera, he shakes his big nose at me and tells me to quiet all the time. I'm like, I'm fine. I have nothing against that Krasinski. I just find him amusing and I'm so happy that Pedro Pascal was fantastic and we could stop these ideas of him being that Mr. Fantastic. 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