Out Now With Aaron and Abe
Out Now Commentary: Chungking Express (1994)
[music] We are now recording, and this is Out Now with Aaron and Abe. I am Aaron, and as always, this is... Hey... Aaron, how are you? It's me, the Count. Why would the Count be involved in this? I have no idea. I don't know why we're with Halloween. I don't either. There's nothing remotely Halloween- Hey, hey, hey, how are you, Hank? I can't. Thanks for asking. But now is a film podcast. We're going to discuss new movies weekly. However, every now and then let the special bonus episodes, whatever it's put on our fun commentary tracks, are still a little bit different. But this is our commentary track for July 2024. And yeah, we are continuing with our global commentary run for this summer, where we talk about some international films celebrating various anniversaries. Last month, we talked about Run-Roll Run in honor of its 25th anniversary, I don't think, again, for whatever reason to get. And now, we're on to our next commentary for Chunking Express from director Wong Kar-Wai celebrating its 30th anniversary. This is exciting, one, because Abe is here. It is great that Abe here on the commentary tracks. But also, who doesn't want to talk about a Wong Kar-Wai movie? For two hours, and that's exactly what we're going to do. Joining us to discuss Chunking Express. We have host of the Brandon Peter show. Hold on to your pineapples. It's Brandon Peter's Scott Mendelssohn. That's who doesn't want to talk about Wong Kar-Wai. He's on a road trip with his family. So, you know, he's gone. Yeah. And always an excuse whenever we do a Wong Kar-Wai movie. Also joining us for movies, films, and flicks, and Deep Blue Sea, the podcast, always California Dreaming. It's Mark Offmeyer. I'm having flashbacks when Abe kind of did that count voice. It reminded me of this time that I had to tie Count Chocula together with the Habsburgs, improved that he was inbred. And I did like, I had to figure out the Spanish Habsburgs, the Habsburg jaw that I had to figure out. So also Count Chocula is related to Vlad, Dan Poehler, actual Dracula. So I had to figure out the time frame when he met and how he was able to come over to America to become a serial baron. And like, but I had to do absurd amounts of history about chocolate. And this is how he could have started a serial and inbreeding, which I had to do that front contour, too. Now, we'll keep going because this is somehow I got pegged as like the inbreeding guy for film theory. And it's really weird when Sesame Street pivoted to crime and podcasts, that's that's a really intense direction they took there. Man, that was a long I was muttering to myself doing that job. So I did so much research. That was a long one. Well, how are you guys doing this evening? Terrific. This is great. Good. Live in a dream. Well, happy to have you guys here. Happy to have Abe here as well. We're going to talk all about this movie in just a second. But first up, just to make note of exactly what we're doing for those that aren't initiated. Chunking Express is the movie we're talking. Abe, Brandon, Mark, and myself all have the film currently positive five seconds in. So if you plan to watch Chunking Express and listen to us talk about it at the same time, just grab your copy of Chunking Express, positive five seconds in for our version. The criterion logo is forming on screen. And when we say on this, we're going to count down from three to one on the sound ago, we're going to press play and just press play along with us. And you'll be good to go. If you plan to just listen to listen, enjoy. That's why we love it. You're already ahead. Yes, both ends of the section. You're both a sicko for listening to a podcast. And two hour audio podcast of no film watching. But yeah, you're good to go. So all that. So you guys ready? Yeah. Oh, all right. Three, two, one, Chunking. All right. So yeah, Chunking Express, not pineapple Express, though, I could see how you would get that confused. It seems like a good double feature. They should be playing more often, if anything, like a fathom of it. So David Gordon Green's pineapple express and Wong Carwise Chunking Express. This seems like and then like for like for ships and giggles, midnight Express, because why not as the as the capper to that one to like really bring it home with a family-friendly movie. So this movie night to the door, Wong Car Why. I, you know, we normally start with, you know, when we all first saw this movie, I want to start with a because you are very fond of this film. I am. Yes. Yeah. This is a movie that I've seen quite a number of times. I first of all, Wong Carwise just I think has a very distinct visual eye for things. But it's a movie that I didn't pick up till a little bit later in my 20s. And I was like, I don't know what this guy keeps posting about pineapples and expiration dates. And the password is love for a thousand, 10,000 years. Gonna be like, I finally sit down and watch it like, Oh, wow. This is actually really like strange, but also very fun. Like the second half, but I quite enjoyed this movie. So you saw it in your 20s. That's funny for like, did you rent it? I saw us. I think I watch it on streaming, wink. What what service is that? I've never heard of wink. It's a very special one. It's about the maybe people who made what Quibi, QB. But yes, yeah, it is a movie that I I try to revisit it ever so often. And then also my buddies did get me a criterion collection box set of Wong Carwise films for like a birthday gift like a few years ago. So I have it on disc as well. Well, there you go. Brandon, how about you? When did you first see Sean getting expressed? I was thinking about that today, like trying to figure it out. I can't remember if I want to say I saw it in college, but then again, I might have seen it like at some point early on when I first moved to Los Angeles. But I'm not sure, but I do know that this is one of the last in my last months living in Los Angeles when I was doing blue ray QC. This is one of the last titles I was working on was the criterion. Single release for Chunking Express, which is one of their launch titles. And I believe it went out of print and was really expensive until my mind, the box set, you have to buy the box set for it. But now there's the discrepancy, right? Because there is a different color grading on that version of Chunking Express. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's this whole, you know, I don't know what it originally looked like. I never saw it in the theater. I don't know how some people like remember how it looked in the theater to a degree. They just know, Brent. They just look in their head and they say, this is how it looked like. And I disagree with your choices to one star. Why my DVD, my crappy DVD look like this. So, you know, I'm going to disagree with the cinematographer or how dare you. Yeah. How do you upset a version of the film that I have in my mind, which is perfect? Yes, exactly. So I don't know. So that's, I saw it, yeah, my original, like, I can't, I can't remember exactly. But, you know, this is a title that I knew of long before I even saw the movie. It was just kind of like there, but I never, I didn't see it right when it came out. But it was somewhere in the mid 2000s when I first saw it. I'm going to go next just based on familiarity. The, I had seen a good portion of this in some capacity when it was, I have to assume on like some form of cable or HV or some, like it was in something, some, some way that I was able to walk because I, I know I've seen no good portions of this movie, but I was younger and I certainly wasn't like, like, oh, finally, I mean, I see the new one car Y jam. It's like, you know, I saw a good portion of this. I remember a lot of it. So like when the, the, what is it? The, what's the Blu-ray set called? It's fancy name that it has the world, the world when the world of long car Y came out because I had passed the point of being able to buy the Blu-ray because of that. Like you mentioned, um, that was the time where I was like, I'm going to take advantage of this and just watch all of these and watch them in chronological order. So I had like, you know, the right kind of, I was in the mood for long, as they would say. Um, so I, I, I watched, you know, as tears go by and days as well. And then I got to days of being well and got to chunking express, which I was looking forward to because obviously I know the esteem it has and already had a somewhat familiar and, uh, yeah, that's so, I guess what, like a couple of years ago. And that was when I like, what would say I officially like saw the film in full. Um, and you know, it, it's the kind of words like, you know, there's an expectation you have in mind because it's regarded in a lot of ways or a lot of different people and what have you. It's, you know, watching it. It's like, you know, I get it. I get what we can talk more about that as we go along. But I was certainly it's one of those instant like, oh yeah, that's why, that's why people say talk about this movie this way, kind of movies where it's like, I just instantly know what it's, you know, why, why would have the kind of esteem that it had in regards of how well my own thoughts sync up with what other people appreciate about it. Yes. It's just, it feels very much clearly feels like one of one car wise masterpieces. And he has a lot of great movies. So, um, with that in mind though, Mark, I'm aware this is, this is right right now is your second time watching this movie. Your first time being, I believe 24 hours ago. Yeah, watch it yesterday. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, watch it yesterday for the first time ever. I wish I would have watched this back in the day instead of like Garden State. Because this thing would have hit me like this thing would have hit me like a bus, like emotional 20, watching this thing. Like I would have been like, I would have had the poster of the soundtrack. Like I would have, I would have been, I would have, I mean, I still adore this movie, but yeah, the first time, you know, just, you know, I'd watch in the mood for love, that kind of stuff, but I, some, for some reason, this has always gone underneath by my radar. So watch it yesterday. It was amazing. And then just led me down a fun rabbit hole of, of reading about his career and familiarizing myself. And I'm going to dig it, I dig this movie. I also love the cranberries. Cranberries. Yes. Yeah. Well, it, it uses like very American music at it, which is very cool that I think like this goes to speak some of the universal nature of music where it matter if it's in English or not. It just, it's just people dig the vibe and go with it. And it's something that I don't think you see a lot of in North American films using foreign language. I think that's a good. That's a good foreign to, foreign to us language music in their movies. And he does this a lot to, you need to watch fallen angels like immediately. Mark is that that he does some neat stuff with the, the, the songs using using the movies as is what's the. I can't remember. What's the one that's got take my breath away in it? Well, I want to say. It's time go by. I think it is time goes by. Is that one? I can't remember right now. I'm definitely going to go buy the box set. So yeah, no, it's, it's awesome. But it's not, it's not happy together. Yeah, this would have hit me like a bus. And I am so happy that I want the themes of like loneliness and just like the way they're talking and the whole bit about the pineapple than my, my, my apartment's crying like, well, it's not that they're not that they're the same because once Japanese and made by a German, but you were such a big fan of perfect days last year. Also, and again, they're not culturally similar, but like in terms of four language films, explore international films, exploring, you know, a certain kind of isolation about characters and the things that they've lost. And we'll go, you know, there's, I can see you. I can pick you being like all into what this is throwing down as well. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. You know me well, like this. Yeah, just anything with loneliness to be clear. Mark's a very happy person with a wife and a child. Listen, guys, I'm emo. I'm wildly, you know, so like just, yeah, that's why you have your repated black and you're wearing nothing but dark cloths, yeah, but only one. We can only see one of his eyes right now. I tried out for the cure like 14 times. You can only see one of his eyes because hair is covering the other. I got, you know, I was in a cover band called The Remedy. There's a thing about this movie that's running kind of parallel to like, you know, over on the other side of the globe with like a Tarantino word, like to me, like when I see this, I'm like, and as like a kid or a younger person watching this in the 90s, if I just see it, like I'm like, to me, it would have hit me like, this is what cool looks like, you know, like, I don't know why, how to explain it. But like this, this is, this is just cool. This is what cool is like this one car. Why guy he knows what cool is. That's a great notion to put out there because I agree with you and it's less. There's less of a clear way to define it where as much as the characters, it's not it's very much cool as hell. But like there's there's a visual component for sure, but it's very much a vibe. And you can make an art. Obviously you can make it, you know, the world thought Tarantino was cool. I'm a big fan of Tarantino, but like it's more it is obvious as far as I can define the qualities better in like why Pulp Fiction is a cool movie where in drinking Express, it's not as definable in that matter, right? I can't like feel there's something there. When I when I talk about movies that are just like oozing cool, like ocean, Soderbergh's Oceans 11 is always my first example, but I could also clearly state why I would feel that way. That doesn't take away from it. The fact that I can like easily describe one over the other. But in terms of, yes, the movie like this that has a certain kind of, I guess, emotional quality that just gives you a certain kind of feeling like, yeah, it's it's very but and it's it's interesting because yes, it's not about although there is some gangster shit in this movie. It's not it's not it's not about that necessarily. It's about like people that are lonely in their space. She's she's cool, but the other three leads are dorks. Like the I mean, the police officer guy to the police officers, the men are dorks, I would say. Well, the girl the girl, the shop, she's kind of do, she's she's nerdy. But there's still like a I think the way she presents herself to Tony Leung makes her cool by by sure. And as being like, you know, this kind of aloof presence that's. But we get to see her in her nerdiness, though, which is for sure, which which I think that's part of what some of at least some of what makes the film interesting, right? You're seeing personalities and clashing and different perspectives or what have you. I'm glad I didn't watch this early because everything would have had a slow shutter speed. Which is come on again, very stimulating. Right in the beginning, he's like, he slows the shutter speed. It's like going like less than 24 frames per second. And it's just like what is happening here? This guy's just like walking through a Hong Kong alleyway here. But is there a name for that? Is there a name for that technique? It is. I can't remember the name of it because I saved it on an Instagram reel. It's like, oh, that's the name of what that is called. It's similar to like that flashback scene in board supremacy with Chris Cooper, where we're like, is that really Chris Cooper? Is that him? And it's also it's also a technique that in television at the time gets used a lot in dramatizations on solve mysteries, things like that. Twin Peaks, does it? Twin Peaks, does it? It's a really, it's a specific thing. But in film, I don't feel like it's at least in the United States film. It's, I don't know, it gets used, but it's not like an abused technique. Yeah, it's it's it's basically it's a tour. Is that used because I generally know how to use it to begin with. Like Tony Scott printed it, does it because he does like hand rank stuff and everything too. So it's like you can you can play with that. But it yeah, it's yeah. Step printing, step printing. OK. Yeah, another another thing I love about the image, too, is that it is in the criminally underappreciated one six six one aspect ratio, which is like a lot of the hammer movies, a lot of early James Bond movies have that aspect. But I just I like that framing for some reason. I don't know why, but it's kind of a cool. Frame device, probably not a big difference maker to most. But I have a I have a liking for it because it's big and wide at the same time. Almost it's it's it's it's a neat way of the emphasis because, you know, we're. I'm not going to say it's like a huge scale phone. I'm not going to say it's a small scale film, but like there's right. The way Wong Cara Y wants to shoot, I'll just come say Wong. The way he wants to shoot his films, it's like he wants to fill the frame because there is and and Christopher Doyle, right? This is a photographer, there's I think there's a want to show an appreciation for like what's because because we get back up a bit, I don't want like the chunking, right? The chunk, it's based on the chunking mansions. That's the that's what the that's what the name is referring to, chunking mansions. And then like express that it's like referred to like a like an eatery place. Like, yes, but I think because he grew up in the chunking mansions in the 60s, like I think there's a sense that he wants to like properly represent it in like a large kind of scale way. But obviously he has visual sensibilities, right? In terms of how he presents color and production design or what have you. And that kind of formatting, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Or it has this kind of it's one thing to do widescreen where you can like, you know, have a full kind or have like a, you know, literally a wide frame to present and like show all the angles or whatnot. But having like a full kind of frame where it that the height involved. Yeah, I think that that there's a fullness there that and the intimacy too. I mean, this is more basically watching them live their lives. And these this this this aspect ratio really allows us to like be in their space. It's it's weird that this movie is this is this ratio. And Michael Bay is like, no, two thirty nine for Transformers movies. It's like, hold on. What are we doing? That doesn't mean I will be rules. Michael, when you when you first started watching this movie, you're like, is this a drug movie? We're like, what were your thoughts in this this first thing? Yeah, how how aware were you? What was going on? I I I had no idea. Did you even know it was an anthology? Um, no, I didn't. And the one thing that was nice, like all the drug dealing and stuff, I was like, well, this is 94. So it's not influenced by pulp fiction. And I don't think it was really influenced by like reservoir dogs. So you might not have even got to risk of our dogs at this point. Yeah. And so like it felt very organic and not just I love the energy of it. Like immediately I got into the energy of it. But yeah, I didn't I had no clue where this was going. That's basically it. I was like, oh, that's the thing to point out because yeah, there is this kind of run of how we're showing crime in the 90s. Right? This like we already we already talked about cool. And this has a this has a way of, yes, presenting. The criminal elements with yes, but not informed by the Tarantino's or Rodriguez. Maybe John Woo. But like I doubt it's I think it's their Hong Kong production. So I mean, yeah, well, I think I think the crime stuff is, I mean, because we're getting a lot of like more independent film and independent film influencing things and it goes from like people shouting at each other in drug deal meetings and shootouts to kind of more like a relay race type thing with the editing and characters passing off and bouncing around. And it culminates in something like a, you know, like an Ocean's 11, the heist movie that really plays it off some smart editing and characters, you know, bouncing to one one one to another. But like these movies are, yeah, this one, like the crime stuff of it feels like, you know, scene to scene is like the baton being passed around in the race. So still the action more than just shooting or punching or something like that. So let's talk about the woman in the wig for a second. This is a Bridget Lynn, Brigitte Lynn, at least her, her American name, at least. She's like, she's a we're talking about Tarantino for reasons. I mean, and to not to not point it out, but Tarantino is responsible for this movie getting to America. His Rolling Thunder's production was created largely to specifically get this movie into American theaters for audiences to see it, which is the kind of thing he does. But not thunder pictures, not unlike the way Tarantino brought John Tertolta back and Pam Greer back and Robert Forrester back. Bridget Lynn was a 70s Hong Kong icon. Like, you know, she was a Chinese icon from the 70s who made so many different movies from that time period, not unlike a Pam Greer. And she came out of retirement to be in this movie. She wanted to work with Wong Kar Wai. And so she made a few films after this, I believe, as well. But this was a big part of like, you know, going from, you know, having a certain time where she was, you know, the big, you know, a huge movie star in that area to like be getting part of this Hong Kong new wave period and, and, you know, going from there. Pineapples interesting. Yeah, because Wong Kar Wai gets like that he gets talked about because like he, you know, Tarantino says he's been inspired by Wong Kar Wai. And kind of he's kind of like a you could throw him in with that wave of guys, but he's clearly doing his own thing. He's not a obviously not a Tarantino impersonator, like some of a lot of the films that came out the time, but he's like, like Tarantino adjacent in a way. Like, I got this side of the globe and you have this one button for at this point. Cause Wong Kar Wai makes some really different movies too than a Tarantino. Oh, they got his and yes, they, there's the rushing up of sorts because there's a crime element and like a couple of them, but he's also making Lucia films. He's making an LGBTQ romance in there. I mean, and then, yes, of course, like two of like some of the at least one of the best like romance movies of all time, but he's got a lot of circle. And they have circle. Okay, over there, we'll say like shorts. The pineapple comes across as organic though. I feel like if another director did this, like, I'm going to stack up 30 of these. I'm going to chug them all and do this. Like, I feel like they would be insufferable. But in this one, it makes so much sense and it works really well because like the energy and how they explain it and the voiceovers. So he found a way to like really synthesize like what could be a very inorganic idea and make it very natural and likable and relatable. I mean, I'm pretty sure a puked up pineapple and sometime, you know, it's one of those like weird quirky things that a movie has that sells it and gives it a humanity, which I'd say more recently in a quiet place, day one, the slice of pizza is similar to that in selling a character trait in a movie. Or something. I just wanted to piece of pizza and like this is like the collecting of the pineapple and so and it sounds super odd or like a doofus on paper, but it really kind of sells the humanity when the right in the right hands putting it to film. And that speaks to the kind of the wave of more independent film at earliest, you know, non major studio production type filmmakers because like Barry Jenkins is very obvious. He's very much cited. Wonk, our wise huge influence, but like, cool. Sophie, Sophia, cool. I was going to say, yeah, she sounded about in her Oscar speech. Yeah, just last month, we talked about run a little run. Ton Tik for is a very, very much influenced by by Guar, Hawaii. And a retool is another one. Like, yes, there, there's these kind of. And like thinking of that, there's a, you know, the kind of stylish, but naturalist at the same time, kind of thing that's going on with like his movies. That what I, you know, watching the whole the world and watching the whole world and the criteria, it's that the thing that occurred to me is the way he uses, you know, color and disparate elements that really pop visually, not that that's not like something that that like other Hong Kong films aren't doing that, but it occurred to me that it's very much like watching East Asia present their own version of Italian cinema, you know, Italians and about that, like, so as such a specific kind of way of capturing detail on film or whatnot. So, and it's not surprising to read that he, that Wonk, our wise influence by Bernalucci and Tony Oni and like French new wave filmmakers that that tracks like you can see a lot of good hard in something like his movies. Yeah, kind of stuff. Yeah, good hard. And then like care that, you know, the way the characters behave kind of feels in Tony Oni a bit, a little bit here and there. Yeah. He made this film, by the way, while in the like, he pulled a, like a Barton Fink, where he was, he was making one movie, like the co-ins were making those crossing, and they got to a point where it's like, I need to take a break. And so while he was making Ashes of Time, there's like very big Wuxia film. The one from that's like not in the world of Wonkart, why set? While he was, there's what, like five of them that aren't in there. Yeah. But like, that's the like the major one that's not in there. Like there's not, there's not five. I think there's less than that. It's, it's that and like some of the need the moon of Wonkart, why set? Yeah, there's because it's like his, what? Of his American one, the blueberry knights, that's not in there. That's not in there. And then there's like short, there's like the shorts. He doesn't have any of the shorts in there, but yeah, Ashes of Time is like the one big one that's like, because that's like one of his favorite movies that he made. But while he was make, while he was in the editing process of that movie, he wrote this, like he, he wrote, produced and shot this movie and this ends up coming out before Ashes of Time does. But it, the next one was supposed to be part of this too. Yeah, fallen angels was like, it's supposed to be three stories, not two. And then that one kind of took on a life of so. And I wanted to get this done with something. I like fallen angels. I put it, I put it lower than some of the, like some of the others. Like I have it in like the bottom half. Now that said, I like every one of his movies. Like his batting average is not bad, but, but I do wonder. And this comes from only having seen fallen angels twice as of now. Like, what did it, what? Is there a better version of that story if it was within this movie? But does that come at a cost of this movie? Is that my other question too? And yes, again, like I'm saying, if I, if I see it more, maybe I'll like it. Well, again, it's not like I dislike it. I think I gave it like four stars. Like it's not like the bad movie. It means it just makes it, it just makes it curious if they're like what the, you know, the sliding doors is where there's three stories here and how that plays out. I mean, if you may, nowadays it'd be perfectly fine sitting there at two and a half hours. So a shortened version of fall, a tighter version of fallen angels get attacked onto this. We're branded. Don't be silly. It'd be three Netflix episodes. Right. You sound crazy. I liked the PCari sweat cameo when he was eating all the pineapple. Yes, the delicious, yeah, hydrogen drink. I discovered that when I was living in a completely different country. But when I was living in South Korea, PCari sweat was like the hotness in a way, oh, nine. Yeah, I can't help pull this shop guy is. Yeah, he's great. I also like he's always wiping off the top of the table. There's nothing on there ever. He likes a clean job. It's must be really clean. It does feel like an actor just being like, yeah, just wipe the thing. Well, yeah, James Bond is like sweeping nothing. No, I did in his Meisner acting classes. It was just like what's your activity? I'm just I just wipe. Yeah, he and John, what was the one to the same? Because John, John, we went hard boiled is just like, yeah, I'll just make. I'll just like slice lemons or something at the bar while tequila talks to me. Everyone needs one of these guys, though. Like you just said, he's helpful. He's nice. He's like, you know, my other employee over here single. Right. He's like always trying to set him up. So this we talk about Brigitte little bit. This is Takeshi Kenashiro, who's referred to as the Johnny Depp of East Asia. Oh, that was one of his one of the ways they referred to him. He really does speak four languages, which he exhibits throughout this movie, but we'll also like try to pick up Brigitte with eventually as well. And he's a big star. I mean, he's in. He's in what? The red cliff movies is in house of flying daggers. I saw what I the heroic trio set came out to criteria in a couple of months ago. And I had not I had never seen the executioners, the sequel to that, the Johnny's home movie, and that was a pair. He was in it and I'm like, hey, that's that guy. But I was like, oh, that's like his debut film apparel. And he's the youngest of this whole camp, the of the four main players. We haven't got to have guests that actually. He's because he's only like 50. He's not like he was 20. I was like, he's trying for 50 in this movie. Yeah, he's 50 in this movie is great. No, he's he was only 20 when he made this movie, like he's got it. Yeah, he's and he look, you know, he looks young. He is on the young side. He does helps to the 20 year old kind of vibe, the feelings. Yeah, I think that helps character a lot. And not for not for gamers out there. He is the he voices is the lead guy for the Anamusha game series as well, which I thought was interesting. But yeah, something I like about like the male kid, him and Tony Lungs character is their cops. But we never like really see them do policing. No, barely. I mean, barely policing. I mean, this guy does a little bit more because he actually chases some guys to the alleyway, but it's just like having lunch all the time. Yeah, like maybe we're just uniform once or twice. It's like it's like it's a it's just a neat detail where it's movie specifically about two police officers, but the film's like avoiding really delving into anything involving that. It's just like. It shows more crime shows more crime than it does. Yeah, I mean, the theme of the theme of this movie is about the split second you have when you're like fresh up against somebody. Yeah, exactly the connecting theme that runs through. Yeah. And then the film that takes it even further is the film from last year whoa, my gosh, can't believe it. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, like what if I brushed and then like we've known each other for eight thousand years now, what? Everyone's had those though where you you like look at someone in the eyes or you walk by him or you have like a really brief thing. I guess, yeah, very relatable. You know, you kind of talking about like earlier, we're like themes of like 90s movies, but like throughout like even American cinema, like is loneliness. And 90s thinks that thinking about like reality bites. And just like, well, you know, the man sucks. Well, you're you're in the grunge area in America. Yeah, I mean, it's true. Yeah, yeah. The crow, of course, as we mentioned. There's grunge. But also like there's the whole, I mean, the internet was new and everything. But like you didn't know, I guess, I'd say there's a sense of loneliness. Because I mean, look at this like rise of like nerd era properties and everybody love it. Like people didn't know like as silly as it sounds like being a big fan of like something as simple as Star Wars was something you might want to keep to yourself back in the 90s too. Yeah, there wasn't a shared appreciation for the things that we all geek out about. Yeah. No matter how common they may have been. I was a wacko because I liked horror movies in high school and was like, I like a ton of stuff. I like knew a lot about them. I, you know, I was, I had Fangoria magazine taking, you know, breathing in classes, stuff like that. And I was that guy. So I mean, it was that was really bizarre, making my own movies and stuff in high school. Like that was not not the cool kid back then, not at all. And so there was more sense of loneliness. And then you go, I think the idea is that like you were in high school, you know, you go to college, maybe you find yourself or more common people. And then you go out in the work world and who the fuck knows. But like the college was maybe a point where a percentage of the people felt that felt alone during their high school maybe weren't as lonely anymore. But it would, but like with social media and stuff, I mean, there's a lot of people who are like quote, unquote, terminally online that don't really feel alone anymore, even if they are living a lonely life, they have their, they're connected to people via social media and stuff that helps to not be alone or they're seeing things, a population of people, this bubble that they've created for themselves virtually, that seems to, you know, assure them that they're okay. And they're not alone. Yeah, you can go forward and yes, that makes plenty of sense, but go backwards. I mean, you just talked about like before that, there's an era that doesn't have those things. However, you're asking specifically about the 90s because yeah, I do think there is a dissiparage between 90s and 80s and 70s, right, Brandon? And I now I'm not going to try to speak past my time because I just apparently don't know. But what is there a definable difference you can see that is it just the fact that Gen X has a different kind of upbringing compared to what baby boomers of a better coming through in 70s and 80s? Like what's the, I mean, the difference, and I know this from interviewing and talked to a lot of people involved with Dr. Who and stuff, because if you go back like that, the connections these people had were like pen pals and like conventions that people could gather at, but they're there for like a day and then they all have to go back to where they're from. And then they pen pal each other or they, you know, it's really, really, you have to really put yourself out there and stretch things to get that connection. If it's there, even, you don't even know. And some people aren't even doing that. So it just, I think our connectivity and ability to not feel, you know, displaced and alone has improved, but at the cost of other things probably as well. But the further you go, I mean, if you want to go back to like, even before that, it's probably really bad in your problem. Because there's counterculture action going on, like there's other areas to explain. I'm trying, so I'm trying, I want to link this up now to this, because now we're talking Hong Kong, right? If we want to talk America, it's very definable because it's like the Reagan 80s give you a certain kind of rejection of things. And it's like the 90s, like, we want to fight back against the man again, not unlike a counterculture type thing, but it's different because there's one, there's no Vietnam for one thing. 90s in America is like, my dad works. Okay. Yeah, that was yeah, that was that that was the evil parenting of the 90s, like, my dad has a job. Okay, like that was, that was, you know, he just, he works and stuff. So now if we're looking at Hong Kong, Santa, but let alone the station, cinema in general, what's the change that does it have to do with like the culture, the idea of being in these like big cities that, you know, have so many, you know, options and population around and yet somehow you can still feel isolated is that where Juan Carla is after to some degree, I suppose, right? Because everything's crowded. Everything's crowded. Yes. This movie has a bunch of tunnels, like, I don't even know if we see the outside a whole lot, but like in this story, like it's a, it's a lot of tunnels and crowded people in tunnels and, you know, she sticks out like a sore thumb. So is there anybody that looks like her? No, she's by yourself. I'll draw this. Which could take you back to like the, the influence that I mentioned, the Godards and the Chinese or whatnot, where those are spaces where in the 60s or the 50s, like those are highly pot, you know, there's populations in Italy and England and what have you where, yeah, there's a lot of people around and yet somebody could feel isolated because they have a unique way of looking at the world or, you know, they're like, blow up, they're a photographer or they're blow up. I mean, like, he looks like the coolest guy gets what he wants, but he looks like he, but he has no like deep connection with anybody. That's the, that's the real thing. Like, I also just want to point out, like, we're at the scene here. I mean, there are some washes of like, oh, this guy is so lonely that he's going to like make a move. And no, he does it because he's so lonely. And he's like, and he's a police officer. That's true. Yeah, he's like, he's working like a case. But I was like, oh, he's like, he's this woman just like, he met this woman at a bar. And this is the movies about like, no, they're actually just like all lonely people like what Mark was saying. And I was like, now we know myself watching this woman sleep. You do have that feeling in big cities. Because like, where I grew up, I didn't grow up in the biggest area. So like, when I, whenever I traveled, you know, like, whenever I would go to New Yorker, when I was in Seoul, like it's stressful. And you're alone in the bustle. And like, you're not used to it. And like, I don't know, I never felt comfortable there. I just wanted to go back to my really quiet town. Like, I want to have south of there. Like, it's so, and once again, completely different city country, but like, it's so jam-packed with people that it's like, everyone's just going somewhere. And like, everyone's doing something. And it does get, it gets pretty stressful out there. Like, no one's thinking about you. Yeah, exactly. Because they got, they all got their own thing to do. And I guess we got to remember that these characters on a downswing also, they're both, the men are have they've been broken up with. Right. Well, do you think, do you think with him, because like, do you think his, he's keeping himself busy with this eating and stuff and not making a move or trying to get hers? Because is sad devotion to his ex-girlfriend still? Like, well, if she knew I did this, then take me back. Well, what he's eating constantly, because he wants to outdo Brad Pitt before Brad Pitt becomes Brad Pitt. And that's why he's a screen constantly. But aside from that. And sunkaying from this. That six is great. But no, Brandon, I don't think you're wrong. I do think at least subconsciously, he's like, you know, I've put myself into a certain rhythm. And I don't want to, my mind is telling me, just telling me no, but hey, I don't see nothing wrong with a little room service and grind. I don't know. And also, like, but after a breakup, you do go into a selfish place, because you're not, you're just thinking about what went wrong. Can I get her back? Like, like, that's the focus right there. So you can see that very much so with this guy. Like he spends most of his time getting pineapples thinking about that and having plans, like that's where his mind is. So I do like how this film, because, you know, it's bivocated. There's two big stories to tell. This is the, you know, the nighttime story. And night looks beautiful in this movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Thought of it that way. And it's not, you know, Wong Karwa is not the only person that knows how to shoot night. I mean, Michael Mann's right there. But he certainly knows what to do. Like, regardless of you doing day for night stuff or whatever, the way he's capturing the, you know, a time and place, especially because it's going to be so, you know, juxtaposed to the next half of this movie. There's a, it's a memorable quality of this film, the fact that this has this sort of, I don't want to say dreamlike because it's not quite there in all the instances, but it certainly, like stands out. There's a haze. There's like a. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I will say running though, like this, I love running because that's all you're thinking about right here. So right now he's just sweating it out. So that makes a lot. I feel like every movie that I would have connected to like that say anything. He's like, I don't want to buy anything bought sold. I don't want to sell anything. Yeah. I feel like I lived my life that way for like five years. And then like this one too, about like running out the sweat. If I just saw this in my teens or twenties, I would have done this. Yeah. I mean, like he's also running at like five in the morning and like a track after a bender. Yeah. He had like 40 double whiskeys. And then he also had like three plates of my surface. Yeah. 30 cans of pineapple. But he's a cop. I guess he's trying to say fit. Yeah. 30 is only 20. He's only 20. He's a cop. That's why he's trying to like. That's why he's got to say fit those those famously skinny cops that we have all over the place. Yeah. You should listen, die hard. I mean, I guess I'm trying to, I see like Asian films with fat cops. It was like, I guess not unless like Samo Hong has a few that I have. This is a fat cops in some of those. And even saying fat, it's like Samo Hong can destroy me. Well, because he ain't with him with a finger. He would kill me. Yeah. Let alone my sick dong in the fucking round. Oh, goodness gracious. One punch. Just exactly. Did Aaron get the key? He'd end. He'd end that show. Yeah. Was it one put? Was it one punch? Gonna be two seasons? Yeah. The boggs like dog showed up. It's over. Serious finale. We're only four and a half in. It's done. Sorry. No problem. I think he broke a record in that show of one punch knockout. So it's also too like they shot this really quick. I feel like this movie only happens when you have a break and then you have to go shoot like this. If you think this through this movie through too much, it's not gonna work. Like you got a you just got to go out there and find it. And that's what he did. He said he didn't even have a finished script for this. So this went out and found it. And I think that's pretty cool. It has a sort I don't want to say like improvisational, but it has a sort of was it like a gorilla sensibility as far as like I have a thing I want to do. Let me assemble some people. I can make it happen. It has that kind of going not unlike like Brandon we just talked about before sunset on the to the summer of 2020. You know, and I think the link letter had the link letter is another one who's seeds easily influenced by Wonk or why and they came up around the same time at this point. But I think there's a similar sensibility those before movies, right, where there's planning to a point, but there's also a kind of there's three of us. We all collaborate on this story together. Like what can we find that? What can we do with these locations in this in this amount of time with long shots of you guys just walking and talking. That's another movie that like really connected with me that film. Holy crap. Not enough running, but yeah, I hear what you mean. Yeah, they're always walking to those. But just hearing that conversation like it was just listening to that was so refreshing for me, which is a like a weird inverse of loneliness, right? Because it feels like Ethan Hawke like he needs to talk to her or else he's going to be nothing but alone. Like that he's he's desperately reaching out to have a conversation a meaningful one or else like he'd just be on a train by himself doing another. Obviously the sequels have more for him to do like more bases for why they're there. I like that Chris Doyle went on the shoot the happening. That's going to get that out there. Well, Chris Doyle like so through this with this box set and and with this the story of the bonus features and stuff I've read up on like there's a lot of people that were like it's not Wong Car Why it's Christopher Doyle. He's the reason these movies are so interesting, which is a weird kind of thing. But then there's like I can't remember what film it was, but there's a film Wong Car Why does without him to prove no it is I Wong Car Why. But I remember there's there's like this yeah little theme because they had like they have a falling out after in the mood for love or something like that. I don't know. I mean he shot 2046 so I mean okay or maybe there was one or maybe there's something was in between but they had like one that didn't work out and that was where like Wong Car Why I proved himself like hey yeah see it's not just him. Looks like I mean there's always like I don't see him not involved. Okay, Jari Darius Condi does by blueberry night so he does his American movie. Gotcha. Which might be why you know he's like he used to be cool man. I go to the States. I used to use you as a vacation and then Philip was sword does the grandmaster. Yeah go ahead. Yeah go ahead. Like Scorsese has thelma like you have a good partnership and together you make like you know everyone has their same production designers really Scott has the same team. They make movies in three days. So I mean yeah. That's how quick they are. Exactly. 300 million three days done. He does. Like it lasts dual shot in like three hours I heard. So it's you know they smooth so quick. So I mean it's like oh you only did it because of this. I mean I think you get in this place where you both understand each other and you can make that happen. Like I think that's that's what it's filmmaking. So I don't know if one makes the other better. They just thrive together. So it's that's an interesting argument to make. I'm saying the the DP you know Chris was the reason for these films. Just to clarify where we are right now we've smoothly transitioned into the second story now. Right. Right. Yeah he brushed your or he almost brushed her shoulder or her clothes. Well they were within the amount of distance. You don't have to brush you can it's a centimeter distance but like he never because he does that with the blonde woman but like this one he does. He ends up you know meeting her and stuff but yeah so now the other cops gonna have to settle for marrying John McGarle. Here we are. Here we are. This movie now. And they live they live happily. They live in New York in a small apartment. They live in New York in a small apartment. They also got their first house the other day. So it's all working out. There's three movies. I mean he fought Nazis. So that's good. And he fought no zombie Nazis. Yeah better. Yeah with Wyatt. So this movie we have Tony Leon we can talk more about him in a bit because he you know he's a little notable for reasons. But Faye Wong. Faye Wong. I'm sorry. Huge pop stuff. I think I was reading her Wikipedia page like oh she's not a movie person. Like this is like one of her few things. Music is her game like Chinese pop just out the roof right. She's just and Shirley Wong right. That's her stage name. It was interesting reading like just all this stuff about her and everything but yeah it's like this in 2046 like those are like in like a few other things that those are those are her credits. But she's really good in this movie. She's great. Yeah I mean she's kind of playing like pretty simple character but she's really good at it. And also this song is blasting like just the whole time. So if you don't love the cranberries you're gonna be like can what are they what is Walker why do you here? It's just so loud. Most mama's in papa. Oh yeah it's Thomas but yeah it's California Dreyad. Yeah the cranberry does that song it's it's her cover of her in the couple in the couple instances that we hear it. Which I do have on a playlist. It's funny that it's just going to be added to mine that's for sure. I was just watching do the right thing the other day and so you obviously have Rita Raheem like blasting Fight the Power the whole time and saw that after this movie on she's blasting California Dreaming and it's like I mean I like the song but yes it turned her down a Scotia like yeah it got it. People are trying to eat here. I mean a good director they know how to like protect their actor so she's a pop star but I think he knew exactly how to use her how to get the performance he needed. Yeah and I wouldn't have guessed she was a pop star. Like she she comes across really naturally here. I couldn't find any thing as far as like why she was like I want I need to be you know in a movie. I couldn't like find like the reason to be on like I don't know if she just really wanted to or why asked her or what. But yeah I mean she has a presence here that like stick that you know works. I probably shot this quick. That's also that probably helps as far as you know having those kind of schedules go. And the on location work helped too but probably helped the character then put on a set and tell her to act. Tony Young meanwhile obviously just one of the best actors working. I mean that's kind of how to say it. At this time he's worked with John Wu coming up he'll have infernal affairs. I mean there's so many credits that he you know he's a big one car wagon. Obviously he's worked with him a lot. Do you like his role in gorgeous Jackie Chan? Which I bought because of you guys. Yeah. It's such a jet ski in it. Yes it does. And yes it is like it's fun to see it's like just like it's fun to see who's in the police story movies whose name I can't take over it. What's your name because she's in Virginia? Oh yeah I know who you're talking about. And in the mood. Maggie Chung? Maggie Chung yeah. It's just like you know it's not about like that it's lesser than them. It's just fun to be like yeah they're here. They did the work. They showed up. They brought their talents. But yeah and then like eventually obviously he gets to America for Shang-Chi. Which he's very good in but he does what he brings Tony Long. I think infernal affairs is the first time he really connected with me when I watched that. I was like this guy's infernal affairs. Yeah infernal affairs like that movie was the first time where I really noticed Tony Leung. And then you know I went back and watched hard boiled and all those movies. I saw hard boils so early. I was aware of him without like having like the means to be able to see more of the movies he was in. In the mood for love I said that was the other one where I like it's just like this is fantastic. I saw in this movie Sean King I saw like I said like you know not too long ago. In the mood for love I saw nearer when it came up when it was like you can rent it essentially. So like I was very aware of of that movie and like another one that people hate now because of the different color grades. My folks weren't too into movies so I just had friends who had like I had a buddy named Kahuna who showed me old boy layer cake infernal affairs. Good friend. So like you watch old boy with parents geez. Exactly. No yeah for us it was more about like dance of the wolves you know stuff like that. I didn't watch old boy with my dad but I rented it watched it and then I was like you got to watch this and gave it to him and he was like that was great. I was one of that yeah but I think mid to that everybody was like if you knew you were like you were like the church of old boy you were like oh yeah oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy and everybody like oh what the that was good but whoa but yeah yeah yeah although which one which one's your favorite of those three oh it's old boy old boy so I'm very big on lady vintage. The Spike Lee one. No the vengeance trilogy is fantastic. It's sort of a cool place great in that. This remake thing isn't too strong is it Spike Lee's. It's a what in terms of like movies he's remade. Well yeah he did the sweet blood of Jesus. I mean yeah not great. He's pronounced the sweet blood of Jesus. Yeah don't sound stupid. I mean he has this high and low coming out with Denzel so I'm like well I'm sold. Alright I'm ready for this one yeah but he also has money to work with as opposed to not having money or you know studio influence that was the problem with old boy or you know what have you. That's a lot. So now that he's as if he somehow needed to prove himself now that he has an Oscar and a reliable relationship with Denzel Washington. Yeah he gets a little bit more budget to make a cura salary make so I'm looking forward to it very much. But I'm always looking forward to Spike Lee's movies regards. The original question old boy is my favorite. I think that trilogy is fantastic though. I mean I can watch any one of those and I do really like Lady Vengeance a lot. I do think that movie has like I was I was like super old boy but now it's like really close between those two for me. It's one where when I really like it when I watch when I watch all of them like I go out there you want some separate one you but like going taking the journey from Seventh of Mr. Vengeance to old boy and into that one that like the finale of that they're not like literally linked together but like thematically it's like this is a nice way to like cap this off. Like yeah because if you leave on like old boy you're like he's not unhappy. I love that the scene right here where she ducks down in waves. Yeah close to her shoes kind of reminiscent of the white shoes when he cleans the dude cleans off. Yeah yeah yeah in the hotel it kind of match a little bit. Yeah she's got it like a bounce to her that's really cool. Yeah yeah it's got like really good like energy like no one else is given this performance at all. Like this is like she brings like I believe she brings like all this. Yeah it feels like someone that's I don't I don't mean this in the derogatory way but someone that's like not an actor you're not a traditional actor at least like there's a different kind of stage presence that she has and it's an element that helps just enhance the film too yeah and she just you know frankly looks different right she's very skinny short hair. She looks like Natasha Gregson Wagner if anybody that's probably like yeah looks probably similar to bye boys. Jolie Hackers a little bit. Well the hair I guess. I'm not saying it just because she's wearing it in this scene but there's a lot of yellow in this section as well. I noticed when I watched it the other night. Chicken in the background yeah in sauces and I think that comes from when you're not outside where it's mostly daylight yellow has a sort of you know there's a different kind of feel than you know the last episode which is a lot of darks and reds and things sunglasses and yours. This section long where I wrote in one night apparently this section this like the second story right here he is he wrote the the the second story of the movie oh the second story he wrote in a night. I mean it's a very effective second story. I love how they're just like yes I will hold this letter on for you and then they're just like immediately gonna go steam it right. He's just trying to be he wants this is how this is this is you know on the with the other copies like I'm always informed you gotta listen to me this section like now you see how I'm always informed. You see his darker side where he takes letters and reads the. Well it's not putting the mail so it's not a federal fence. That that's true Brandon we cannot arrest this man no matter how much we want to. Searching as we don't know the Hong Kong laws. Also true yeah and whether or not they change based on which which center of power controls yeah right now it's still Great Britain yeah 94 yeah so yeah they won't give it up for another three years yeah and then it and then after that it's Batman's last week where he can just take you and he just come and grab you yeah who's that guy there he goes again. Uh mister um I forget his name but he's he's uh that actor we all know the actor. I read his name. It's like chin something it's bugging me um good lord. Chin Han there we go yeah he's lao lao yeah that's mister lao. I think we talked about that on the dark night commentary but when Batman like came and swooped him in and grabs him away that was the first time my mom wanted to tell me about when I talked around the phone about it she's like that scene where Batman got that guy on kong i was great. He has no boundaries. No jurisdiction can hold the Batman. That's why kids love him. Oh speaking of Batman, Tony Long that's my ideal Bruce Wayne. I've said that for me I've said that many times. I've said that I've said that a lot if they're gonna make a Batman like if before the hat was chosen it was like there's gonna be another Batman who would be. I've always said Tony Long would be an amazing Bruce Wayne. I think he would crush it. I mean you kind of saw some of it like when he was at early in Shang-Chi yeah he's just this cool rich guy. Yeah no he's got it. He's done you can see him walking into with an untied tie in a white shirt being like Alfred uh busy day for me. Now I gotta put on the bat suit. I get a cob salad. No chef salad. That's right yeah. I think you're right with this performance too because you know I think about some of those like Elizabeth Town with Kirsten Dunst and she's a great actor but that role just killed my soul a little bit. It's like this one never goes into like the overly quirky because we see her exist in scenes. I think that's what's important. Well I think she's watched her. It's written better her resolution and stuff isn't in favor of the male character too much so that's that's what I think that's what I think. Oh it's that absolutely absolutely yeah there it is. Where did we just talk about manic-pixie dream girls? It was a sum 20,000 2004 movie. Garden State. It was Garden State. It was Garden State. Spoilerless for that episode. No that's it's interesting to bring that up because yes there's a you could try to make it you could try to. I don't agree I wouldn't agree with it for this movie but you can try to make it argument that yes she's playing that kind of character but no she's the lead focus of this film. Tony Logan is a supporting character so it doesn't necessarily apply and yes like you just said it's not rooted in you know whether or not they're gonna get together or like or if he's going to take in this quirky girl. No she's the driving force of this she's trying to figure out her own thing. It just happens to involve like I guess I'll just go into this guy's place for a while and do some stuff. Make him feel better. Yeah I mean she's like active between him and his place. I love this shot by the way like this. That's what I was trying to get by a fucking virtual background that's not working. I have it on my computer I can't make it work. I always love just how he's doing the cup drinking and I at first I thought that this was just a series of photographs that they were just playing back on cinema. Like a flip book. Yeah like a flip book and I was like this is such a cool thing. I'm gonna make my students recreate this somehow because I go to camera class now that I've watched this I'm like recreate this and I'll just read a magazine for an hour a while they attempt to work it out. What's your favorite sauce that's up there on the top? Honey mustard. Yeah sweet sour. The red tab. Yeah it was able to win hot ones that's what he always tells me. Whenever we're now recording he's always saying I'd crush hot ones. Oh man that's what he says. I would never say that. You know it's fun in any movie. Whenever somebody has a flip book that they've drawn and they show it to another character it's always funny. How do I ever see it when it's like that wasn't funny. Like what's wrong with the head explodes? A hot fuzz. Yeah that is. He takes the gun out and shoots the kind of head explodes. It's always funny to watch a character show another character like their admiration when you're like a flip book. I mean a lot of work went into that. You gotta admire it. Yeah. It's kind of jokey you have to know where it's like you can't just do this and be like that's it done. Like you know what works so you don't. I love that Tony Lang also talks to himself in his apartment kind of just like he talks to his soap. He names his soap like you're looking sad today. The passion he has for the soap in this movie is very notable. But this guy is going through it. We talked about the other cop going through it. This guy like because we've seen his relationship. Yeah oh yeah this guy fucking has invisible headlights. It's like this is like technically the happier of the two stories but he is more depressed. It's thanks to her that he becomes happier. And then you know eventually he'll make them be happy together so it all works out. This is acting just like inanimate objects just like treating them like they're real. That's the long approach. That's the long approach because he's like he doesn't call himself method but he's kind of method. He gets into his he gets into the minds of his characters. He kind of lives that life right. Here's more yellow by the way. But yeah I mean you know the first movie. The guy's a young whooper snapper. He's 20 years old. He'll get over it. It's fine. Like he tried to hit on 70s icon Brigitte Lindy's. He's good. He's still doing spot. Well we also don't know like the yeah like it was saying the extent of the relationship he had. It might have been like a couple dates and he was just obsessed and he calls calls calls calls calls. And then when he's when presented us on screen with the other option we're like oh that's not going to work. Whereas here we kind of see it. She's also plays a part in this story and then we have this girl that's like well there she is. There she is. Is he going to notice? Is he going to notice? Is he going to and it's yeah it's a bit more involved with this one to be honest. Like the other one's more what are the two characters doing and this is like how are they with each other. You know the the first is like two ships in the night right. They're just yeah yeah they're these and this is you like Tony Long's obviously an older character than the last guy. Yeah and again you see yes you see the flashback so you get a sense of what their chemistry was. Like you can very much believe that they were together for a while where the other guy like you just said he's a kid like he's eating peaches like that's not you know it's like or pineapple pineapple right like you you know you can say that serious to a point but it's also like he's he's you know feel he'll be fine. But he's also he's also got like the cooler cop job just by I mean he's like obviously detective something he's wearing just like a trench coat yeah an undone tie all that but we never really see much action or you know something's going on you know adjacent from him with the woman that he doesn't really get involved in that looks like oh shit you know big action and then Tony Long is like boring you know patrol cop you know got the uniform up tight you know in in slot terms to make this fun for Abe you know the the first the first guy is the apparel who does roles because they only do roles in in John Woo movies where Tony longs but he longs the Sam Jackson he has to do roles he just walks right who's the runner the the runner is um is a child and fat obviously who's Rodriguez the other guy in the killer that whose name who's name I never remember who's the other is. Is that Andy Lao Ella Kulje is Andy Lao. Danny Lee is the other guy in the killer he's so he's what about those other two guys. Michelle Rodriguez is just Michelle you know he's easy enough for the other. Josh Charles so who's the sneezy guy. Yeah. Yeah. Tony N. Oh this would be would rule. Oh my god. I'm casting this film. It's great. Be these. Be Hong Kong remake of of of slot. Ah. What do you mean be calm? Yeah like there's no is there what's what's Hong Kong's equivalent of slot and I don't know how about Google like this. They probably all the colored SWAT. Probably of the SWAT. It's not like an American thing. It's like no the SD. Oh no no no it's even better. Do you or the S.E.U. the flying tigers is fucking rules. This hat this probably is like the flying tiger sounds like a movie that exists already. Hold on. But that's paper tigers. Paper tigers. I know flying tigers movie. John Woo movie called flying tigers but this that sounds like such a Hong Kong movie flying tigers. Fuck yeah. I'd see that movie at a heartbeat. It's like Johnny Toe did something cool flying tigers. Like smoke jumpers smoke cheddar firestorm Titanic killed it flying tigers on Kong movie. There's a TV series called flying tiger which makes sense because swatcha TV series. Like swatcha movie that I like and then I watch it and I'm like yes this cool and then I don't really think about it. I'm like I need to watch SWAT again. Like I have a weird relationship with that movie. SWAT rocks. I need to watch it again. That's been on the list of commentaries we'll eventually do since we've started this podcast. I just want to put this out there. I was watching it and I was watching Renner and I'm like this guy's this dude from senior vacation like I remember thinking that I'm like he's got it like he's he's all the potato face over there is really doing it for like senior trip is gonna do it like he's got it. And then he blew up and I was like I knew it. I called it. It was a I'm telling you it was a feeling I had. I used to get senior trip confused with get on the bus because they came out around the same time and they both like have buses in the in the poster. Senior trip had it he was on. If you made a movie today this is so tied into Trink Chunking Express obviously. If you made a movie today that had national lamp wounds in the title would anyone care. Would it have recently? Did they care back then? No. I don't think they cared after. I think it stopped after like uh vacation. Vacation. There's like animal house vacation and then really no one cared. And then obviously it'd be that long is like the last like major movie to do it and even then no one calls it national and police man while they just call van Wilder. But it became a directed video thing at that point. Right. So yeah because they uh yeah because there's dorm days. Like even like even the vacation films just drop it after yep or after Christmas right Vegas vacation is vacation. Is national inputs even on Christmas vacation? No yeah it is. It is. It is vacation. It's yeah it is. It's on the poster and everything. I hope it's called National Lampoon's Christmas vacation to the secret of Eddie's Gold or whatever the fuck that movie's called. There's low weapon. There's that. It is. It is on the poster. It's called National Lampoon's Christmas vacation to Cole and cousin Eddie's eyelid picture. Oh yeah. I also had to read that on a slate every single day. Take C4 take one for National Lampoon's Christmas vacation together. They had a picture. Action. Yeah they have like yeah yeah they're a scene trip and then there's golf punks. It's a Tom Arnold movie and Ben's Wilder. No that's a different. Well that's just a different thing yeah. I love that like he uh doesn't look down when she's hiding in the blanket. Like I would have been like he's terrible at hide-and-seek and Waldo. That's true. That's both of those things. Oh yeah they really got a there's National Lampoon's presents Jake's booty call. There's gold diggers, dorm days, barely legal. Transylmania which is probably one of the best LGBT movies out there. Going the distance. Is that the Drew Barry? Adam and Eve? Well there's going the distance and there's National Lampoon's presents going the distance. And then they get classy again with Ben Wilder the rise of Taj. That's like the last. I guess that's technically the last like theatrical one yeah because everything else has got to be. And that's just based off because it's attached to something else that was quote-unquote successful. What annoys me about that movie is it's after Harold and Kubar. So like Cal Pad already has like stock and elder places at this point but he's but like still like contractually it's like I guess I'll lead rise of Taj. Oh there's the stone. And then I'll come up to the Obama administration because this is not working for me. Sorry house. I'm out of here. Yeah that's right. Yeah it doesn't mean like he's on house. He's on house yeah. And he goes on like how I met your mother for a stint too. And he like dates Robin or something for a while. I'm on season six of a show that I've preserved not knowing the ending to which I know is going to be terrible. So I'm getting there slowly but surely. So Chuck getting expressed. No no no more more TV talk. She's still wearing yellow. Yeah she's finally cleaned up his apartment. I remember when they did the out now commentary for one car wide talk about national and food for like 20 minutes. I like this bit here where she's she's in the shower. She's even there and she's trying to tell him it's raining outside. He's like I can see outside. It's fine. It's like it's a local shower. It's raining just here. It's hot going. It's kind of it's not it's a superintendent Chalmers moment. It's yeah it's content. It's on this block. That's it. It's raining gear. Hey there's a gator. He has a lot of stuffed animals. I get that they're probably like his ex-girlfriends. Yeah. And like she's a flight attendant right so she probably like gets them from like the airport and stuff like that. Yeah still. It seems like one of the first things you start moving around. Wait does he have pineapples in the background there? But what are those cans? The cans aren't pineapp. There is something else there right there because we see a close up of what she's because she's organizing his stuff and everything. It's something else. They're right down to my page of notes that I'm not looking at. Let me see here. Brew cocktail that I specifically took so I could read for this podcast. That's a very malachy shot following her with the airplane. I want to I'll put someone to come in and just clean my house when I don't. Somebody that you trust or that you don't trust. I mean you can't do that. They're either called a maid service or obviously you get your child to do it for you. Just give people room to their hand. That's a nice quirky person who doesn't steal my stuff. Maybe a few things and then just comes over and cleans it. Maybe a few things. Well go to mrs.dotfire.com. I'm sure they can hook you up with something. Hello. I love this movie. This is a great movie. It's really nice. It's fun. All this stuff is really fun here and then she starts messing with all his stuff like in order and it's great. Speaking to the cool factor that you brought up so much earlier, it is nice to have movies like that that have the sort of vibe to them that don't have to involve revenge or killing or murder. There's plenty of movies that are great and not necessarily specifically because of those reasons but the movies just operate in a way that makes those things work. But yes, having a movie like this, are there other movies offhand you can think of that you would define as just being a cool movie without having sort of exploitative elements to them. Swingers. Yeah, there you go. That's a good one. And even that's like an analysis of cool, right? That's the kind of like what the movie is. Yeah, head swingers vibes from this one. He left the phone like you kept calling on the phone and then that brought me that made me a pharaoh's phone message. Swingers has the stutter, the shutter photography stuff too, like at the beginning. Oh, yeah, yeah. Aliamans totally doing that, which makes you wonder if he is. And then later they mock. Reservoir does specifically. Yeah, it's a very it's a it's a self-aware movie. So that makes plenty of sense. I mean, could before sunset be cool? I thought that was pretty I thought that was a pretty cool movie or before sunrise. I was like, this is I felt cool to me. It felt fresh. Maybe it just felt fresh and different. That's why I liked it. I'm not going to tell you what is and isn't cool. I wouldn't necessarily like look at that movie and think of it as cool. But I you know, yeah, there's a there's a sensibility there, for sure. I can't think of it. I mean, not I mean, has no real style, but like something like a like a mall rats or a clerk's kind of felt cool. Yeah, just from the dialogue and yeah, from what like very punk rock and relatable to like an underground sect of people. Yeah, no, like sparks for sure. I can get that kind of vibe because it's like it's, you know, someone that's doing something very much on the cheap and at the time, you're not really thinking about the cheapest of what you're thinking about the fact that it just feels scrappy and original. Yeah, I love that chasing Amy Moore. So the mall rats, but like the first the first three Kevin Smith movies really have that. Yeah, because mall rats is a studio film, essentially, right? So it's, you know, if it has less it has less of that by comparison. But no, there is a certain yeah, compared to Smith's films now. Yes, I mean, that's when he was coming up. We're like, oh, man, this guy's gonna be somebody. And he was. There he is. I mean, it depends. Like he never I don't know. He it's something with a like a confidence in himself or like it just wasn't his wheelhouse or he didn't doesn't like he's got a real thing with like not feeling comfortable using other people's money. What Smith movie will we do for commentary? Because I do I would I'd be happy to talk more about like my thoughts on Smith as a director dog. Dogma or I'd say chasing Amy probably the one that it like because it's the issue I have with comedies. We're talking about a comedy. It's like I just kind of want to live at the comedy. Like I wouldn't want to hear me talking about dog was got it does the movie and like, you know, yeah, like Campbell ask like gravitas to it like it's also by default with my that and close to my favorite Kevin Smith movies. I'm not against to. Yeah, there's things to get it. I mean, you can you can get into within all of his movies to some early something close to comic courses a straight comedy we could easily do that. I know you're you're thinking with comedy, but that one I think could easily lend itself to that. Yeah, it's more if we're going to do one Kevin Smith movie, well, we choose that's a conversation. All right, cop out. That's that's where you wanted to go. No, you some S. W. S, man. I would humor that for another commentary at some point. Doesn't he have something coming out soon? He announced some he has like a coming of age comedy coming out sometime soon. Yoga hoses to still yoga still hoses makes more sense, but I like what I chose still hasn't done more at to which he's always said he was going to do, but I mean that well that fell apart for other reasons. And moose jaws moose jaws which is shot, isn't it like it's like a big name. Yeah, I think yeah, it just is his true north trilogy right? That's the thing. Right. Yellow. I will give him credit. Perks three was okay. That hit me in the fields. It got me. It's it's it was way better than the J and Silent Bob reboot, which made me go I don't know if I want to watch another fucking movie from the sky. It's better by default, but I have less charitable things to say about clerks three, but that's me. I think just whenever that song comes on something incorporated. What's this comes under in the credits? Whenever that song plays, it always gets me. She knocked him out. She put pills in his booze. She's looking out for him. Yeah, it is kind of like the shade that gets him sleep. It is the shadiest thing she does with his boopy. She literally drugs it. She drugs a police officer. Yeah, but he was having a hard time sleeping. Oh, so that's justified. Yeah, exactly. She she she only secretly drugted because he seemed like he was having some narcolepsy issues. Like, you know, it's a good character. When you see all that, you're like, whatever, she's great. I get it. It is. Yeah. Listen to me. Like sometimes I feel like when good character does something like they get away with it makes sense in this world. It's cool. Yeah. Okay. Muchas is still just in the writing phase. Oh, just to be clear. It's a very important topic. For a while, Kevin Smith was like the canon films of like filmmaker where he was like promising, like, Oh, dude, this one, this one, then after that, when I'm doing this one, this one, this one, not like Tarantino. I mean, he brings 50, he brings 50 posters to con. Making chasing Amy the beginning. Apartment's crying. The 430 movie. That is the coming of age comedy that he has that's going to release sometime this summer. So, oh, I get it. It's like 420, but less obvious. It's set in 86. Clean flip-flop. I remember one time I was reading his book and he was talking about fast food. So, I went and got fast food because I was like, I don't know, whatever, this influenced me. And then I got food poisoning. Just putting that out there for y'all. Huh. This bit that's coming up is great where she's going to like, he's going to be at the door. She's going to be at the door also. And he's like, Oh, God. He's right about water damage on floors. I've had to deal with that my home several times and it sucks. So, I'll give me a time code. I think I jumped ahead because my Blu-ray skipped. It is one 1651. Okay. I'm like 10 seconds up. You're jumping in the door right now, Aaron. I mean, she just came by and bring us some fish, you know, like maybe just wanted some fish or something or her friend wanted some fish. And she like, and also the the she can't move part. It's very funny. It's like, like an instant cramp. She's like, I'm stuck. It's the way she physically saw the way she's just like, it's like, my leg didn't work. Let me do that. I'm trying to escape and it's not happening. I could confuse look on his face. It's because it's like the jig is up. Like he knows what she's doing, but it's still selling it like, wait, you're here? She's like, I mean, you know, I was going to buy a fish or sell off whatever. It doesn't matter that I was at your door specifically. Don't pay any attention to that. I'd see how far I could get the lie going. Just keep going with it to see where it leads. A lot of mirrors in this movie. Has anyone read anything about that? No, not specifically on the mirror aspect. There's there's a lot of like, I don't say like trying to hide character shots, but there's a lot of like obscuring in places as far as like the way, you know, the angles were being shot at and whatnot. Me and when they're like on their own, when they're together, it's obviously much more personal. You know, I appreciate turning the link in this movie, physical media. CDs, come on, compact discs. You guys ever heard of them? Except you got into music. That's true. He's not because his girlfriend liked music or something like that. So he ate it not right. I can't remember it. It's just that it's not his deal. He's just like, you know, music, whatever. It's the first mission of possible movie that plays dreams at the end, right? When they're having a beer, is that it? Remember that scene when the cranberries was playing? I'm like, I'm going to go buy this soundtrack. Is it dreams specifically? I've tried to like, I know what you're talking about. And I was literally watching mission impossible when I was eating dinner before this. It was at the CIA scene. So I was like, well, I'm watching this for 20 minutes. That's a good question. I'm trying to remember. I know the scene you're talking about. I'm trying to remember if it's specifically that. Great shot. I mean, it's a small apartment. There's only so much you can do to make it visually interesting. So you got to really be creative here. It is dreams. Yeah. It's on a pretty bumping soundtrack, by the way, massive attack. Yeah. But I was going to say, but York York. Hope, salt, massive attack was on a lot of soundtracks in the 90s. Oh, yeah, them and like monster magnet got all out of ones, too, because they. And now they have house money for life. House money, house, the show house. I never watched it. Oh, it's their theme song. Everyone had a West Wing win before house money. That's yeah. You're right. That too. Yeah. Well, I would guess one episode. Yeah. The house is there. It's the theme song. So yeah, I remember specifically. I understand that reference. I love that. Like she went to go pay the electricity bill a few days ago with any of mine. And now they have no. It's where I paid it. It's been that local shower must account it's canceled out by checks. It's like, I mean, I'm sure he's trying, but it like, it feels like he's not even trying to get like these cool shots of the candles and everything. Like it's just like it looks good. I think that's why it's so good. You don't feel the trying of this movie. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of those poll fiction knockoffs. Like, you just felt them trying. So hard. It's what it's like the good one. Stand out. Killing Zoe. Yeah. All junkies. Things are doing Denver. Oh, I almost puked watching pool hall junkies. I'm like, this is I can't stand this guy. Suicide things. Oh, yeah. Pool hall junk and so both of those movies, which both have Christopher Walken doing this thing, which is completely good. But both of those movies feel like they're hindered by the guy they're trying to make a new thing. But the but the other stuff around it, I think is fine. Like like Ernie Rice Jr. Is it cool? He's wrote every reason. And he's like, he's played his own character. But like the guy, was it Mars Callahan? Something like that? Who's never done anything again after pool on junkies? No, you're right. Like and suicide Kings. It's what it's, it's, it's ET. It's, well, there's more work for sure is in 99 where he's like, let's put more and a bunch of stuff because he's like kind of handsome, but funny. So like, let's see if he's a movie star. He wasn't spoilers. But no, what's his name? It's it's, um, uh, Henry, what's this? What's his fucking name for me? Oh, Henry. It's Henry Thomas. Is it Sean Patrick Flanner? Is he the other one in there? Yeah, Scott Wolfman. Scott Wolfs go. Now you're crossing Jay Moore and go together. But it's, but like that's a whole movie filled with like, let's test out all of them and see if, see which one lands. And the answer was none of them except the ones that already landed, which is Dennis Leary and Christopher Walken. They're like, well, Jeremy Sisow, right? He's in there. Flannery had double that because he had a lucky boondock saints. Yeah. Flannery, they tried to sell for sure. Like, you know, it's like, well, we got powder. I mean, what could go wrong? Yeah. It's funny you say that about pool hall junkies because like, when I was 15, I never really cared too much. But I remember watching that movie and be like, I don't like this guy. Like, I remember distinctly having that feeling like I don't, who is this guy? Yeah. But like, but like Chaz Palmentary is doing the garage Steiger. It's like his last movie, right? Like he'd like, there's character stuff in there that I appreciate because like, well, they had the guys to do it. But he put the main guy. It's like, if I never saw him again, I'm fine. But at least like these old timers are doing the job. It's good stuff. The animal work. It's great. It's great stuff animal work. Let's not get ourselves here. The movie Shit House has some good stuff. The animal work too. Yeah. A brand to call. But yes. That's when my brain goes. It's not like, hey, let's talk about the scene. Let's compare it to something else. Incredibly random that three people have watched. What's he up to? He got that. He had Chacha real smooth. Surely has like a bigger one coming up soon, right? He filmed another one that looks like what's rupily emotional. And I don't know if I'm there for it. Chacha real smooth. What's the Cooper Cooper rave? What's he got? What's going on? The Trashers. Well, the hockey movie he's filming. Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With David Harbor, I think. And then there's, but I saw another one. Maybe I just was a dream, but it looked like a Chacha real smooth times eight. And I got a little worried. The Trashers with David Harbor and Cooper and Cooper Hoffman. He's back. Oh, wow. Good paper airplanes. I did watch the intro of Tarantino talking about this movie. He's like, he's like, I'm pretty sure everyone got ahead of crush on her growing up. Like that was what Tarantino was saying. He did introduce some cool movies in the nineties. If you didn't have any of it, and like your folks weren't like a lot of Hong Kong cinema, but it was like Jackie Chan. Like that's what I remember him at a video MTV movie awards. He talked about rumble in the Bronx. I'm like, well, I should go watch that. That's sort of my love of Jackie Chan. So yeah, no, and he had his rolling thunder pictures line of VHS tapes. Yeah. And yeah, just a lot of it. Like he brought him in Sage Stallone helped bring the beyond the US in a proper cut of the film because it was only available as like the Seven Doors of Death cut, which, you know, mixed up some things had, you know, cut out a lot of the gore and violence and like help you understand why that film was special and stuff. But then there's what's the big one rolling thunder that was like like better picture rolling thunder. That was a big one. He was a champion of after I is at the Hulk Hogan one. That's blue thunder. No, no, no. Rolling thunder is willing to vane and Tommy Lee Jones. Oh, okay. Yeah. Is that the car? No, it's black moon rising. No, it's why. Yeah, this is a hook for a hand. Yeah, that's really better. It's the guy with the hook for a hand and his buddies, Tommy Lee Jones. And they got to get revenge. Tommy Lee Jones is a crazy motherfucker. Yeah, it rocks. It's really good. It's so good. Which also his book led me to a film I'd never seen before that it was awesome that with Robert DuVall called the outfit. That was a really big movie. Yeah. I watched that not readily available, not on Blu-ray, but it's actually it's like there's it's based on a book series that we have other films from, but different people have played the character, but the outfit's really cool. But yeah, like rolling. I remember rolling thunder was a big one. He he talked about a lot in Sunday Chiba movies. He was very big on Tori Hanzo. Yes. Yes. That's there you say with with rolling thunder. Like after it's a zat, the zat tiwichi with beat beat Takashi. I was like, I need to see more of this because I really love that. But when it came out, which we talked about on again the summer of 2020. I want it's like, I need to see more of this guy's movies. And I couldn't see battle royale yet because it is either actually illegal or at least that was what the rumor was that we just weren't allowed to watch it, which I think is an exaggeration. It's just like, yeah, I guess just couldn't import it for whatever reason. But I didn't see Sanatine, which was also a grindhouse release, which is this really like it's almost like the perfect days of gangster movies as far as it's this guy who's like on his own path, who's played by it. And it just has a certain kind of mood that I really appreciated. It wasn't the same as his zat tiwichi film, but it was still like, I like what this guy's throwing down. Of course, he's like a giant presence in Japan and like so so many things under his name and that he's directed or acted in or what have you. But it was nice having at least some early exposure. And yes, once again, that's because rolling thunder is existed. The brother introduced me to be that brother. Yeah, that was another one I found eventually. The the battle royale stuff is funny because it's like, what was it? Because all of a sudden, once the Hunger Games is about to come out in theaters, it gets released on Blu-ray finally. Like it's kind of funny in America. Yeah, because it had that what I had founded. I so I finally I finally see battle royale in college. They played it at we had a theater on campus that would like that was awesome. They put they'd program like cool stuff, like battle royale. So I finally sat there and having been like wanting to see it forever, I was like, well, of course, I love this. This is amazing. I got I got a CDR for it. Like I had someone on campus. I had heard I got when had it or something like that and I had to go to this fraternity house and like he made me a copy on a CDR and like he was doing and it had good enough subtitles and stuff. And then then I went back got battle royale too. And I was like, well, that was a mistake. I've yet to see battle royale too, because like I feel like I'm the worst sequels of all time. I feel like I'm just not going to like this. So it's terrible. But but yeah, battle royale was like, yeah, it's so crazy what people don't realize just just to see a movie like now you just go find a torrent if you really want something and and find access somehow. But there's really hard to see some movies. Just to go back to pool hall junkies for a second because I know we're all dying to. I was not wrong. Mars Kyle had its pool hall junkies and that's it. There's one other movie he made eventually in 2007, then nothing else. I wonder if he's up for doing Q&A of pool hall junkies. I have nothing to say because I don't know this man whatsoever. I hope he's completely fine and a new good person, but it is kind of like he's calling cart movie led to literally nothing like a new release for movie that had that because it was like a release. It had stars in it and it led to absolutely nothing. It was a $5 bin DVD at Walmart is what it wound up being pretty much. Folks, if you are curious, it's now streaming on freebie and peacock. Don't do it. And prime Plex to be and yeah, watch this on max. Yes, per turn. His foreground work was really good there. You had the guys talking and he's in the background reading that letter. It creates a nice separation and loneliness there. Oh snap. He wrote and directed pool hall junkies. I'm right. I'm Zay. It's his movie. I did it retiring. We're at a point in chunking express now, by the way, where she is gone. What's her name in this movie? Yeah. She's left her. She's become a flight attendant. Well, we don't know that yet. Okay. Well, she's just left. She's just gone. And he's like, maybe I missed out on the love of my life again. But like, but it's saying that, yeah, I mean, the fact that her presence is just like not in this movie anymore, you feel it, right? Like even you've had like almost an hour dealing with this, you know, this fun character that's kind of bopping around and like now she's gone and you're settled with sad face Tony along. Tony who sells it because he's fucking Tony along and he can sell anything. But it's like, yeah, it seems sadder now. He does do sad well. He does. But he's also like, you know, he physically looks better, right? Like, he's had this presence in his life that's kind of shipped to things around. And so now we get to this point where he sees the old, it's the old girlfriend, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you can see that he's, you know, I would say over it, but you know, he's moved on to a period, right? And he's dressing in warmer colors, you know, as opposed to seeing him alone in his apartment, wearing his tidy wides, it's like, okay, it's like nice to see him like well adjusted to life, despite the fact that for us, the viewer, we're like, sure, but we've also lost like the quirky presence that was engaging us for the past hour. He needed this though, didn't he? Oh, for sure. Closure did. Yeah. Yeah. This is a good comeback to go to our Kevin Smith lie. This is Julie Lord Adams coming back at the end of chasing Amy first, right? Hey, Aaron. Yeah. Did you know that Mars Callahan was in that thing you do? I do now. It was Ernie, the disc master engineer. Ah, that's that thing he did. Yeah. Did you know he was also in Clifford? What do you play in Clifford? Brian. Oh, Brian. Thanks. He was in California with a K. So we covered him over 93. All right. I'm sure we talked about his scene specifically on that podcast episode. And he was on the office. What was it on the office? The 1995 series starring Valerie Harper and Kevin Conroy. That lasted for six episodes. Kevin Conroy, the voice of Batman, even star of 1995's The Office. Yep, 1995's The Office. Yeah. That Kevin. Deborah Joe Rupp was also in this show. What was the show about, I guess, an office? It's an office comedy version of the British series upstairs downstairs. So, oh, wow. So nobody liked that already. I guess. Yeah. Centering on the camaraderie of executives and their secretaries of a busy corporate office at a design packing company. So, yeah, it's a phenomenal shot. I mean, a great rain. Yeah, right on the windows and very slow, deliberate pacing. I don't think I would have seen it coming that Abe was being the one keeping us on track with this. You guys see me. I'm kind of doing some. We were talking about credits of Mars Callahan. You're like, by the way, this fucking shot is excellent guy. Guy was a guest star and growing pains, Cagney and Lacy, not not slanding, the wonder years and ER, the guy. I mean, he's been working. Yeah. Way to go. I know. I don't like it. John guys. Yeah. Show some respect to Mars. And the writer, director of zigs, starring Jason Priestley. Brandon, you've gone through the one car life set and you've seen more of his movies is would. Abe, I assume this is probably your favorite one, but what's your favorite? What are your guys's favorite one car? Why movies? I odd, you know, there is in the mood for love, of course. That's just, you know, no brainer. I like fallen angels a lot. That's like one of my babes. There, even though Aaron says it's garbage. It is what I said. Yeah. Right. Rewind the tape. You can find it. It's missing a star in your rating. So obviously you don't like it. It's a star. I call it. I like. Man, titles are hard right now. Because a lot of them were like new to me ones when I was going through it. Yeah. What was the one? The one where like. There's like a battle at the big battle at the end of some like churchish building. So as tears go by for days of being wild, I can't. I want to say days. No, I think it's tears. I think it's. I think it's a. That's just goodbye. Yeah, it is. Yeah, both of them. Yeah, both those actually. I think I like both those. He's kind of like he's a solid start, right? It's not like it's a really good start. It's not like the only one like. I really like the LGBTQ one, but like there's some stuff in that. It's like, that's like, all right. Like I feel like he goes, he goes hard in that movie, which I like at the same time. Not crazy, but like, you know, like that's the one that I like. I was in the book, but it's the one I I was surprised that that's the one I put higher than other ones like because it's free. It's chunking expressed in in the mood in the mood for love is my favorite easily. Not easily. I chunking express street too. But like in the mood for love is the top for me and happy together is the one where I was like, I did not expect to like this nearly as much as I did in the same way that like when I went through all the Miyazaki films, I didn't expect Kiki's delivery service to like be my second favorite Miyazaki movie. I was like, I figured I'd really enjoy it. But I was like, I really like this a lot. Castle in the sky, baby. We'll talk more about that next month. It's on the sky. Look how warm Tony Love looks by the way right now. Like now that she's back and he's very comfortable. Yeah, I think though, like, I mean, all of his stuff's like. Oh, yeah, it's seeking out. It's a great philosophy. It's like that blue race. That's fantastic. That's a great it's unique like it's stuff that like maybe I don't know all the influences or can't see them directly. But I feel he is just him, you know, that's for sure. It's influences not copies, you know, that's kind of what I like here. And it feels like not in a homework way, but it feels like film school in a box on those. So you watch all of his movies and there's so many things you can grasp on to whether it comes down to the performances, the cinematography, the music, the editing. Yeah, it's talking that way, yeah. Do you like the favorite one car wise? Yeah, you guys kind of named like the two of them. Like something I have like a soft spot for Grandmaster. I kind of just like a few sequences. I actually really like a few lines from it. And I think obviously cinematography, great. But yeah, and the move for love is like devastatingly beautiful. And then this one, Trunken, especially we're talking about tonight. Brighter, you know, less sad about just loneliness. Because at least you've got like what we discussed here. Fay Wong bringing some life into every scene that she has. Yeah, in the move for love is another one where I would call that a cool movie too, but it's way more subtle. I mean, there's a slow burn aspect too, but I don't think the movie necessarily moves. It's also like a like super claustrophobic like this one too with like tunnels and the like underground stairwells, things that are stuck in the apartment too for a lot of it. And that one feels even more Italian rich as far as the kind of the use of color in that film. Grant to be as a bigger budget to use also, this movie is or scrappy. And that one's got like just like super iconic look. Oh, for sure. Yeah, the costume design and everything. Everything Maggie Jung's doing in that movie. Yeah, it's yeah, it's so good. The Grandmaster, like a lot that said, even though it's like, you know, by default, like the quote, unquote, trashier version, it man fucking rules. And it's telling the same story. It had so much fun to watch, like it's so with with Donnie and like just destroying people and these elaborately choreographed sequence. But that said, the Grandmaster doesn't have its awesome Wushu Wushu, you know, stuff going on as well. Let alone it's one car wise. So it looks amazing. Like, you know, the raindrops and the Grandmaster I'll never forget. But there's also like really, there's like a really good like classical music you toward the end there where she's explaining about her father teaching her martial arts. And like, this is a really cool, like sequence of just her dying, essentially. Last thoughts that she's dying. Like, this is very poetic. And it's really well done. And as we talked about in our crouching tiger commentary, if you put Zhang Z in something, I mean, it just becomes more interesting. You know, we talk about all these other actors from this era, whether it's, you know, totally like the Cloverfield paradox. I guarantee we'd like the Cloverfield paradox less than we might already do if Zhang Z was not a part of this. Earned Danny Broul just running around. Danny Broul. DB. You know, I do. So I love the the end credits with for Fallen Angels, where it has the weird acapella, only you playing and stuff. And I feel like that touches back to the one movie. I can't remember which one does that take my breath away. Berlin, I feel like it's touching back to that almost. And that's not a part of this, these two movies with that. But yeah, like what he does with popular music in his movies as well. He's a good needle drop director, I guess. I want to get back to that in like half a second. I just do want to mention that these credits that we're watching right now, they are like, it again feels indefinable. It's like, it's just cool. Like this is a movie that is so like this. It's so intimate and personal. The story you just watched and you just end on this, you know, this lovely moment of the two of them somewhat ambiguously, but still getting together. And then it's like, now we have like these colorful poppy credits with the song playing and the text like, you know, motioning on the screen. Is that grandma's wallpaper? But cool. It's like there's just something there that's just like, this just snaps. Like it's great. Yeah. Now, before you were at the end here, so if you were again, you mentioned they're way early when we started this commentary, but you're not the idea of American filmmakers, like not utilizing, you know, for international songs. And they're like, that is interesting to be that like it's much more, and granted like American, you know, the music is so universal or whatever you want to call it. But like you don't, you really doesn't, it really doesn't go around the other way very often, right? Like I'm trying to think of examples. You know, one's a couple that's not going to be Tarantino again. They're trying to be, they're trying to be quirky. Or you're taking a foreign rendition of an American song. That's what they'll do. Yeah. It'll be like a character from America goes to another country. And then they like hear an American song in a cover from that country or something because it's like cute. He'll build Tarantino does some stuff, but like I can think of examples for, but like he's, you know, he does things with music. That's a big part of his film. I mean, the furthest they branch out in America is like some British rock or something like that. When the clash comes on, it's exotic. Oh, there's the stones, you know, like, yeah. Or I mean, and you know, it doesn't, because it's like it's set in India, but it's like, well, Danny Boyle is using Indian music. I mean, it's, but yeah, you don't like get a lot of, you really don't get like that much of a use in America. It was Anderson to see. Was Anderson? Yeah, that's good. Yeah, because he'll do like, because he's like, he has all French do wave influences stuff. So you use French music a lot, for sure. And I guess like with this Portuguese covers of Bowie. Yeah, that's, that's so cool. For it's one of my favorite albums that I have. George, all the Portuguese. And Sophia Coppola, I guess will be the other one. So it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love that song. But it's weird because like you named all these directors that, that would also be like friends with Long Car Way. Exactly. Yeah, it's the same. It's the same set. Yeah, yeah, it's true. I bought most of those soundtracks that you mentioned too. And probably have the pretentious vinyl. Because it is a cut. It is an indie sense. And it makes a level of sense when it comes to studio filmmaking, right? Because that's, that's a marketing issue, right? That's, you know, we universal has their own music library that, you know, has plenty of contemporary artists or what have you. That's what they're going to use. They can sell soundtracks that way. It's hard to, I imagine you have to have a certain kind of cache, or be an indie filmmaker that's willing to spend the money to be like, I'm going to traffic songs from outside of the country to use on my soundtrack. Anyway, any other thoughts on chunking express? We've wrapped up the movie at this point, but I'm happy having this conversation with you guys. Yeah, I mean, I hope that more people go, no, I shared them all there. No new thoughts. Well, Mark, you've seen this movie twice now. Are you going to be traveling through the world of Wong Car Y? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get that set. Why not? Right. I'm like, this, this guy is very much my mood. I like it. I like, I like, yeah, I'm, yes, long answer. Wait, short answer, yes. I'd like to assume that this is like on the Criterion channel. But even probably like Max, right? Because they have so many Criterion titles as well. So it's certainly available to watch and canopy or yeah, we probably should have told people that before we started the commentary. If they're clicking on a commentary and there are various devices, I'm sure they have like a means to understand how they can get ahold of this, right? Right. For those interested, it's on Max and the Criterion channel. And it's available to rent app on Apple, YouTube, Amazon, and Fandango at home, which used to be Voodoo. Boom. There you go. Thank you. Chaka Laka. Okay. Well, great. Yeah, we can wrap up. Please put in our commentary for a long car wise chunking threats. Classic. We're going to go find more of you guys online, Brandon. You find me social media wise at Brandon 4K UHD. You can find my podcast, the Brandon Peters Show. Anywhere podcasts are found. There's a YouTube channel for it or you can go to the Brandon Peters Show.com. We're currently running the summer of 2004 at 20 series, which Aaron and Scott Mendelssohn are a part of. We are hitting the thick of July and also be on the lookout for PopCon Louisville, which is in the end of August the 23rd through the 25th. I'll be running the live podcast stage there. And I'd love to have you sign up for it. Be part of it. So if you're in the area or wanting to be a part of it, hit me up. And if you do, you get a free day pass because that's, you know, I'm cool like that. I hope people find you at PopCon and say, I was to the chunking Express commentary. I came here. I do like national lampoons. That's good. Mark off. I reckon people find more of you online. Yeah, I got the I'm going to start the pool hall junkies junkie podcast. So one second at a time. Yeah, I'm going to invite you guys on it. And then yeah, maybe some of the flakes deeply see the podcast. I got some cool stuff coming out with rotten tomatoes and fandom. I might have something really cool coming up. We'll see. Maybe the next commentary, I'll have an answer about that. Oh, yeah. So I'm going to start the mission to Mars Callahan podcast. Or is there life on Mars Callahan? I like the mission to Mars Callahan podcast where every week you try to get him on the podcast and you keep talking about every second emission of Mars until you make it happen. There we go. And in the meantime, you get like Jerry O'Connell and Connie Neils. The pomas on. Well, it's not willing to talk about this movie. He starts to have to almost start to hashtag campaign. You get that cheetah on there and you make fun of his age. And he's like, Oh, come on, man. Hi, I am the editor in chief of lead of entertainment. You can find my movie reviews over there. I write for why it's a blue for criteria and blue reviews. All my things can be found in my personal sub stack page. The code is eke.substack.com. And while the socials at Aaron's Pete S for a. You found more offensive for my Instagram. Ape.luh and twitter.com slash walrus news. Hashtag password is love you for 10,000 years. You can find this pocket that where you can find podcasts where I'll over the place where on all the social media sites and everything. Just search out now there in an Ape and you can find us. Mark, Brandon, thank you for joining us this evening. You're welcome. You know, if we weren't doing pirates movies, we could have dropped this on May 1st. Damn it. But we do. But we needed to do the pirates. Calvin Terry is branded. On stranger tides, y'all. We rode them. Next month, we're talking Kiki's delivery service. Yes, for its 35th anniversary. So stay tuned for that as a way to wrap up our global commentary summer. But yeah, with all that said, that's going to do for this commentary check for the month. Thank you, listeners, for listening. And until next time, so long. Thank you. Bye. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [BLANK_AUDIO]