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Big D Energy | Wednesday, August 7th 2024
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Yo, yo, yo, what's going on, buddy? Welcome back to another episode of Big D Energy, we're back at it. We are back. My name is Neil Rule. That guy, Chumba Legion, in the house. We got KG, we got Spencer Raxter. Young Justin somewhere around. Neil Rule, what's really good? What's really good? I'm tanned, I'm rested, I'm ready. Sean, let's go. Savannah, I want to start with one of the most beautiful cities I've ever been to. Like no BS, beautiful southern charm. Go sit in the park where Forrest Gump sat, blah, blah, blah, blah. True. The most humid place I've ever been, I will die on that hill. Bugs this big, is that your experience of Savannah? No, it's an awesome place. It is, like the history and all that stuff, but that is, it is the most humid environment. As someone who goes to South Florida, a tie, Savannah man, it is built different. It's like I always say, Sean, you're a big college football guy, as am I. When you see these dudes from Florida and Georgia, run around the football field, that's what Sean, they were down there practicing. Yep, all year round. They do. There was no, oh, the heat index is 109. It's humid. No, they're practiced. All his life, like people, I say it all the time, like we're huge fans around here, right? We really are. We're huge college football fans. I'm not dissing or throwing shade at anybody. It's different down there. It's, it's, you don't know, is I have no other way to it. The only place around here, Neil, that I can at least say is in the same zip code, but well down the street are Buckeye fans. They're a different breed. No, we all know that Buckeye fans are a different breed. They come from different stock. That's the only one around here. Like if you want to know what it's like down there, talk to the average Buckeye fan and then multiply it. I mean, the ball is life to these people. No, no, there, there is no doubt about that, but I'm, I'm happy to be back. Thanks for all the kind words in there. Good to be back here. Um, big con 51, also the most haunted city in America. That's, that's what I've heard. Chris Blackman, five star lineup here, Neil Raul, Sean Belisian. Thank you. Appreciate that. Steve O'Baby. I can't believe I'm saying this, but welcome back, Neil. Hey, yeah, you'll miss me and you'll miss me when I'm gone, but no, the tone is back. But no, it was, it was a lot of fun, but we are back. We are ready to go football was in the air down there for sure. Yeah. And here we go, everybody. I do want to touch on this, because people are art bandalays says, please let us know that Sam is okay. Sam, we, we. Plano's fine. Yeah, he's OK. Plano's fine. He's good. What a soft dad. That's crazy. How soft. Oh my God. Only me. Oh, man. You know what? He is so beaten down. Michigan has taken so many arrows in the last few days. I, I just think it was that. It just gave up. Oh my God, you're so tired of being in that washing machine and that that spin site, that has just been constant the last couple of days. He doesn't know what to do. Yeah. When I got in today, you know, flannel, we sit in the same room in the back and I saw him back there and I didn't see the show or anything. So I dapped them up and said something like it was normal and I was literally watching the video back there of him. I was like, holy shit, flannel here, right? He's like, yeah, I'm, I'm 100% sure it was just a blood pressure spike because he eats like a six year old, like, so I told him to eat a piece of fruit, eat some oatmeal in the morning. You'll be fine. He does. And Sean, look, like you and I have had this discussion before. You are the king of smoked meat. I love it. The world probably takes a more sodium than you said. Is that factual? 1000. All right. I got no problem, which is cool. I don't know. I'm a close second. You, you to smoke meat is like flannel to hit the man needs a honey bun every day for for lunch. Yeah. He had a birthday cake pie for lunch last night, like one of those little yesterday. He's seven. Yeah. He literally eats like a shot. He's like, and I told any drinks addicted to, to pop. And so I told, I was like, just eat a piece of fruit. Eat some oatmeal in the morning. You'll be fine. It was probably just a blood pressure spike. It happens like that all the time. Okay. So youngsters, you, this is creeping up on you, spending even knowing healthy. I know. But this is creeping up on you. Yeah. Yeah. You're way away from this. You don't have to listen to this. You'll learn the hard way someday. I will listen though, because I am, I eat like shit. So I will listen. Yeah. You got to clean that up, bro. That's all I can say to you. Talk to my kids. But you got to clean it up. I'm trying, man. That's part is, is like when you do this job for living, like, like my doctor, for all I know he's watching right now. And like he follows all like the social media stuff, like so I can't even lie to like he was like, how do you eat? And I'm like, I eat like shit, you know that you see all the pictures, but the funny thing is, Neil, as you know, and this is the other half of that, you can get away and drop that cholesterol, drop all the blood pressure and all that stuff. If you get your ass doing some exercise move, go on an elliptical, go for a bike ride, things like that. It's it's the great equalizer. Why do I do it so I can eat more smoked meat doing it for the health reason? You mean I get to eat another blade of brisket in whatever it takes. Yeah. Yeah. But yes, we will get into the Michigan stuff because it's on here. So I do have to give my thoughts on it and all that. We missed you, man. Yeah, I was waiting for you to rub it in our face. I was waiting. Awesome. But yeah, I saw here on the sheet, I had a question for you guys for real and then we're going to get to the lion stuff, by the way, because I have some thoughts about what's been going on like this Malik neighbors thing, the Kirby Joseph thing, the Terry and Arnold thing. I'm going to I'm going to get into that because we're in now. It is football time, I cracked open the Phil steel magazine on the airplane, John, I sat down, I sat down and just popped open that Phil steel magazine and all was right with the world. I'm serious. I am strategic about this and I think we talked about this a couple of weeks ago. I have Phil steel in one of my throne rooms. I have afflons in another throne room and I have Lindy's in yet a third throne room. So wherever the closest throne room is, at least I've got my mandatory reading, which will keep me in there for at least an extra 12 minutes. Right? I mean, but no, I'm with you, especially like now that you got back to like non savannah weather, like getting up the last couple mornings, there's that different vibe in the air, man. There's just that that August breeze where it's not quite the fall yet. But man, you take your smelling pig. The pig is everywhere right now and that's a beautiful thing, man. No, absolutely. And look, Sean, of course you're going to go back in and see one more time who they have at fifth in the Sunbell conference because that's who you are. That's where you need it. You and I both. That's why I keep telling everybody, just get get yourself ready. Liberty's going to be in the college football playoff. Just get yourself ready. Get your tissues ready, but Liberty's going to be in the college football playoff. They're going to earn that way in because they have nobody on their schedule. But those are the conversations now we can start to have, not that I'm keeping any kind of track, but we're, I mean, we are literally, you know, college football, we zero is going to be here, man. It's going to. Let's go. And I can't wait. It's going to be right here. Nice play tomorrow. Yes, sir. They do as a matter of fact, which is another reason why I want to get into it, which we will. I do have a question for the people though, because I feel like I'm doing a poor job of this and I just, I kept in, I kept in tune with the basketball and the soccer to some degree, but that are people watching the Olympics or no? Yeah. Yeah. I watch it. Are you? Yeah. Give me, give me a rundown for spending watching the Olympics. I like watching swimming a lot. Obviously. All that's right. Cause you're what? Yeah. Yeah. I like watching. I like watching all of the swimming effects. You like watching. I like watching. Yeah. Beach volleyball is good for sure. The track and field is fun to watch. I watched that, that 1500 final, they did ran the 1500 under 330, which is just absolutely insane. But yeah, I like doing big sum of fan. Our penalty. Neil looks like a bronze to God. There was a lot of sudden to be that the real field was 110 every day. That sounds awful. Yeah. I love. Yeah. I love the gymnastics stuff. People can laugh. I couldn't. Watching people contort in ways that I couldn't do on accident is hysterical. And it's the same thing. Like I've taken shit for this for years, like the, the figure skating stuff. And Justin, you can probably relate to this. You could have Matt come out there in his prime and pummel me and fire me all over the place. And I couldn't do on accident what these people routinely do. It is amazing to me. I just sit there. I don't like the gymnastics. I was in for that because like how they do that stuff or spending you and I were talking about that Swedish pole vaulter. Yeah. Dude went 20 and a half feet, 20 and a, how do you story, how do you do that? That kind of stuff blows my mind. Man, it really, truly does. It blows my mind. So, and now, am I all in all, because of the Tigers are on him at like last night, I was watching the Tigers and things like that, but, you know, there are things, if I turn it on. Yeah, I'm more interested in it. The Turkish shooting guy. What a great legend. That's so legendary. What's a great, I didn't know that was a, I didn't know if that was like security footage of someone holding up a liquor store and come to find out it was a dude in the Olympics. Yeah. Like one silver too. He just got off the couch and one silver. And, and it was because his ex, he had his next wife and he said that she said he couldn't do it. So, he went out there, no equipment, no special treatment and just I slung it for silver. And then, give me the dog back. I mean, dude, you're a legend, don't take a man's dog, don't do that. Hand in pockets, like just the whole stance is great, man. Need a KDK law. Little did he know. Little did he know. Should I hit him? I was just going to say, I love all of that. And the thing I like, I like the skateboarding in the Olympics. I think that's dope. I think skateboarding is really cool. I love watching people skateboard in the Olympics. I think that's really cool. Okay. It's Thursday, breakdancing is out. I was about to say, I'm not going to forget about it. I'm not going to watch breakdancing. Well, we're going to have it online. We're going to do like a watch party. Yeah. I'm right. I think it's Friday, actually. It's Friday. It is Friday. And it's happening during the show. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We're doing play-bop play on that, definitely. Sean, it'll be a breakdancing watch party. I'm in. What are you looking forward to? Turble, breaky is lay and then coming back stronger than ever. I'm showing my age and I couldn't even give two craps. Yeah. Break into electric. Boogaloo. No. Don't you have to check it out, though? I do. I do. And then it'll be the first thing to check it out. It'll be the first thing that I like to say. I felt like I'm doing a bad job. I'm a bad American. You know what it is for me, Sean? And this is going to sound awful. Uh-oh. And it is. Can't be no worse than Mass. It's awful when it's in Asia and Australia and stuff like that. It's still not optimal when it's in Europe, but it's got to be here for me. Like I can't, I can't watch something taped because you can't watch anything taped in this day and age because, you know, social media, you know what happened. It's got to be here. It's got to be here and it's got to be live all the time. Sorry, I'll say it. Well, and you know what it comes down to, I mean, and I'm glad for technological advances, but even to your point, I'm sure you remember the unbelievable story, the miracle on ice when the United States beat the Soviet Union in 1980, it was on a Friday. The game was played during the day. Nobody knew, not like nobody, like legitimately nobody knew. There was no news outlet talking about it. And so you were all into watch this game at eight o'clock at night. And then God rest his soul, Bill Bonds decides before the 15 minutes before the new starts, we talked about America's incredible win over the Soviet Union. And I'm like, you son of a bitch, I just watched two periods and a half of this game and you just blew it, but you hadn't watched it, but it was a different, a different generation. Neil, I say it all the time, the 1980 NBA Finals. Think about that, NBA Finals was tape delay. The game where Magic Johnson goes out and says, eh, I'm a rookie, I'm going to play center because Kareem's out and I'm going to light it up before he do. It was tape delay. So you couldn't even get away with it back then, there's no way in hell you're getting away with it. Now, I'm a tape a game guy, Neil, but more often than not, I don't end up watching the game. You never knew? Because you know and it's ruined and it's not the same thing. It just isn't. Young Justin, can you imagine that there was a time where games were now high? Could you even pass? I honestly, and I'm going to sound like such a genzier here, I didn't even know that that was the case for the miracle on ice or even, I guess in general, I never knew that they were tape delay. Like, it's to that extent where you could hear from a different news outlet that something happened in the game, but you haven't even seen the whole thing. That's crazy to me. I can't even imagine. It wasn't even in the news. That's a crazy. There's so many piss guys were pissed because I mean, the guys doing his job all jokes aside, but you know, when you go, hey, coming up on seven action news, we talk about that incredible win. I'm like, Hey guys, it is Ryan. 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And Bill, if you were alive, I'd tell you to your face in that moment, Bill Bonds was a son of a bitch. We'll work sports chat there before we get to the break and get into the lions and giant stuff up. Freddie felt 313 Neil. Did you get any Cox merchandise? We were last day. We were in Columbia. We were one step ahead of the hurricane the whole time. Yeah. It was wild. It was an internal struggle, Freddie, especially there in Columbia. I wanted to get the Cox. I wasn't going to get it for spending, but I remember you saying they don't fit your head. Yeah. It's hard for me to shop for hats. So that I was going to get one because I felt you should have one, but then I remember you saying hats don't fit my head. Yeah, majority of them. I have to order special hats like size eight, don't. Yeah. This is a special hat, special brand for giant heads. Yeah. All right. Let's do this, let's, let's tell them about this boat. 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A.G., Young Justin Spencer Rasker, third to first, happy to have you with us jumping to that Woodward Sports chat thread, subscribe and get in there to that John Epping Lord, win this break, Andy, Friday during the show, I'm told, women's break, Andy, right, Young Justin? I believe it's both. Both. And I think they go like hand in hand, like one is before and then halfway through the show, we'll switch to the other gender. We're going to have all the reaction live reaction. Can America shock the world and women's break? We looked up the odds, Sean, I believe men are favorite. They are. They have men have the overwhelming favorite on the women's side. I believe we have the seventh or eighth choice. We have third, third or fourth, and then seventh and eighth, we have two people in the top eight. Yes. Okay. We'll be talking about miracle in Paris. Are you kidding me? This will be, this will be legendary for years to come when the United States shows everybody out that our cardboard was better than your card, absolutely. Now that is a concern because you are overseas. Yeah. What kind of cardboard are we talking about? Ain't no cardboard. It's a mat probably. It's going to be a Fiat boxes that they're going to be in instead of like, like a refrigerator or dryer box. Yeah. And I spray it with WD-40 or there are there any liquids I can use to slick it up. It's a legal substance. I don't know. Right. Yeah. These are these are questions that need to be answered. That's true. That's one of the breaking break dancing community. Who is the DJ for this event? That's one. You don't know. That's huge. That's got to play factor. That can swing, you know, that can swing it to our side. I feel like we have more questions than answers right now. All right. Sean, I'm going to, I'm going to lean on you a little bit here. All right. I was out of town. I know camp started. I know the first game is tomorrow as a matter of fact with the Lions and the Giants. They had the joint practices. What did I miss Sean? Break it down. Cool. All right. No, listen. All jokes aside. Okay. I am one of those guys that it's camp been there, done that. However, this camp this season obviously has a 100% different vibe. I think even the dudes that have covered camps for years, Neil, I know you've been out there. Anybody else out there? This is a different vibe all because of expectation. So you know what we are going to do? We are going to look a little bit closer. Now, the situation yesterday and spending, if you want to put up the vid again, like Malik neighbors, theirs for you. Okay. He fucked around and found out like that. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that, you know, sometimes you have to stand up and have that. I don't make a big deal about the fights they have and they have them between teammates. They have, especially against other teams in these joint practices because the fact of the matter is this. These guys don't want to be doing this. And they're tired of hitting each other. So boy, shocker, you get some dudes from two different teams that are already tired of this whole process to begin with. Yeah, crack is going to start. But Neil, I'm intrigued that little, I mean, it's, it's a, ooh, it's absolutely, it's absolutely, there's for you, you get, you get what you get in a situation like that. There's for you. But the most exciting, the most exciting thing about this to me is how many times in years gone by Neil, and we sat here trying to figure out a very prominent position or five with this football team. All of the debates we're having, in my opinion, are minuscule debates. They're just minuscule debates. You know, we know that there's depth there. How does this guy fit within the depth, et cetera, et cetera? And again, it's a testament to what Brad Holmes has been able to do with this football team the last few years and quite frankly, why the expectations are sky high and rightfully so. And for me, Sean, like, look, you hit that on the head because I know that everybody's been starving for it, so we're going to make a big deal about it. And this was fun. Like this was a fun little thing here with the Malik neighbors. It was interesting, though, to hear the New York media now was flipping around the social media, and, you know, hear the New York media piping in about Malik neighbors. But yeah, both sides got fined, but 200 grand or something like that. All NFL clubs were reminded in a memo last month that fighting is on professional conduct would not be tolerated as Tom Polestaro. And what, you know, whatever, like, that's, that's fine. That's what it is. It was interesting to me to listen, and look, this is low key. I haven't heard anybody talk about this, and I'm glad that this kind of reminds me of it is the New York media just fawning over Malik neighbors of a, he was targeted 17 times and had 15 catches or whatever the number one, he's been incredible. He's been absurd. All that kind of stuff. And for me, it comes back to this. You are the same dude that probably two weeks ago wrote your story about how Daniel Jones is so off. Remember, Daniel Jones is one throw on the foot. So which is it, New York media? Is Malik neighbors a second coming or does Daniel Jones suck because you kick their co-dependent on each other? They really rely on each other. So I was interested to catch the New York media doing what they do, you know, just kind of fit in the narrative or whatever. But anyway, though, the point of the story is this, for me, Sean, what you said is right. There are no positional discussions for the most part. Things are what they are. The guys are locked up. You know, the core guys are locked up. And for me, we're just sitting here. Now the neighbors thing, like the vacuum of the neighbors thing, am I concerned about that from your past defense perspective? We are betting on a rookie parlay. You got it. You are. But you mean to tell me this rookie parlay won't be better than setting toast and kendo wheel door? No, but I'm saying, though, the math says one's not going to work. Yeah. You see what you start reverse engineering this right now. I get it. Because one's not going to work. Yeah. One is not going to work. True. But they could both work. No doubt. But that's that's kind of my for the people that are like, Oh, no, here we go again with the past defense. Like guys, we got to remember this. This isn't your Madden game. You don't go draft that player you created. And he's automatically great. It's just not the way it is. We are betting on a rookie parlay in it. I think that's absolutely fair. And this is a bold things can be true situation in my mind is you could sit back and say, well, it can't possibly be as bad as last year, right? And I think I feel a little bit better than it is Brad Holmes. I really do that Brad said back and said, okay, this is a problem. We need to fix and we have to accept though, based on what you said, there is the flip side to that. And for me personally, I'm going to keep banging this drum. I'm a little worried about the D ends, I'm not going to lie. I think that that was a little bit of a concern to begin with. And then you have an injury and then, oh, oh, so what are we going to do? Are we going to go back to those days of US, any pro, US, any pro that has played this game? Are we going to go back to the days of trying to manufacture a pass rush? I don't like to manufacture a pass rush. It's not the worst thing on world. You know what I would like though? I would like to have that come organically based on the pieces that you have. There are questions marked. I don't think anybody, Neil, is sitting there saying that there aren't question marks, but to me, I guess I feel a little bit better because Brad Holmes is coming and I know one of the things we're going to talk about. There are free agents. There are guys that are going to end up on the scrap heap. And I'm a firm believer in one team's trash can be another team's. I don't want to use the term treasure, but fit. And I think that's where the Detroit Lions are at right now. They're looking for fits. They're not looking for treasures. They're looking for fits because there's a hell of a lot of treasure in this line. It's just right now. Detroit supremacy, normal math says one won't work, but Brad Holmes math says they probably will both work. And again, like I'm not out here hating. I'm just, no, I'm resetting where we're at right now. And I also at the same time, I'm going to talk about that and say like the neighbors thing doesn't doesn't worry me because let's lace them up in November and see what happens. Let's let's let the defensive line have the ability to get to your quarterback and see if that doesn't change your perspective. I guarantee that it does. So it's just it's funny to me to see New York media celebrating Malik neighbors and then smashing Daniel Jones, Dan Jones won through the football to him on a dime, right? So that's cute to me. I like that. Ben is unbelievable. Remember the brawl the Tigers had with the Yankees a few years back where Sanchez came up and absolutely, I remember that Miguel Cabrera. I mean, absolutely sucker punch. They were they were like celebrating. Oh, do you see Sanchez get Miguel Cabrera? You power. You came behind a dude and sucker punch like. Are you serious? Like that that's to be a play. But that's that's the way they are. You just move on. Danny Jones is now a great leader because a few days before that, Oh, Danny, Danny stepped up for his teammate and, you know, he saw him get pushed to the ground. Daniel Jones still sucks. I don't care how much he leads, right? Neal, it goes back to the time that we were talking about this last week, um, good guys. I don't want good guys. I don't want I don't even care about leaders to be honest with you. If you can leap but can't play, go someplace else, you know, worth the appointment this franchise right now where, you know what? I want dogs. I want guys are going to go after it that you know we're going to get the job done. Mike Bell, Neil, should the Lions consider easing both rookie cornerbacks as opposed to throwing them out from throwing them right into the fire from game one and I'll lean on the coaching staff for that, man. Like I'm not trying to be soft with the answer. I mean, they know the makeup of the dudes, right? They're the ones that drafted them. So again, you know, it is, it's just, it's one of those things. I think there were, there's always going to be overreaction to it. You guys know where I stand on this, man. Like the only thing in the world that counts is coming up in about five weeks. Yep. And that's it. And that's a beautiful thing. And I think that's why this camp has a little different vibe. Look, unless you're just one of those people that you're looking to hate, if you can't understand that lion fans are well within their right to think Super Bowl, I can't help you out. Right? Honestly, and trust me, if you followed me in my career, I had no problem calling y'all slap picks. Okay. This is a team where I have no problem saying NFC champion going to a Super Bowl should be the expectation. So I think because of that, there is a different vibe and we are maybe taking the magnifying glass out a little bit more cagey and, and, and, ooh, let's look at this and the stakes are high. Yeah. 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Yeah. Yeah. That is his nasty. Yeah. CJ, CJ tore his in week two last year. He was back week 18. Yeah. Yeah. That is a nasty, nasty injury. And I'm going to say it again, two days in roll because you weren't here, Neil. If people haven't seen it before, think movie aliens. Get movie. It rolls up in your chest and there's this giant lump right there. Yeah. And you're half expecting a giant alien to come popping out. It is a nasty, nasty injury. That just sucked for that guy. I mean, just can't catch a break. Yeah. So, uh, that kind of sucks. But again, guys, you're not walking in January, you don't have these, all these same dudes. It's not the same 22 dudes in January. Yeah. That's facts. And it's cold to say, but we move on because that's what the good teams do. Oh, you got to do exactly it. That's, that's what it is. Uh, any, any, bring me up to speed, James Houston, anything, anybody, I haven't heard anything significant about nobody said a word. Yeah. Okay. No news is a good news. My pops used to say so. All right. That's fair. All right. So it just wanted to get up to date on that as well and, and just see again, see, see what I missed and I'm guessing not much, just a bunch of training camp stuff are, are people concerned secondary stuff, the Malik neighbors seeing parlay with the Mosley thing. I'm not yet. Cause it raises your eyebrow though. I know that look in your, yeah, a little bit. But I guess if I'm being fair, this was a, we're going to have to wait and see proposition anyway. It really was based on, you know, again, what you just said in the last segment. This was a, let's wait and see proposition. I don't think you are going to win anybody over one way or the other until you see it on the field. And, and if Matthew Stafford goes and lights them up, well, then everybody and their brothers are going to cry and go, I told you, see, and if those guys perform, people are going to say, I told you, see, and they're going to use that small sample size. But right now, honestly, Neil, I don't, I don't think we have enough data to decide one way or the other. That was all along whether people wanted to admit it or not. Even if you try to force it on the plate, this is a wait and see. I don't think there's anything anybody can say. There's nothing that's going to happen in an exhibition game to be sure that's going to make me go, whoa, boy, that's one last thing to worry about. I'm sorry. It's still exhibition football. Yeah. I have the people ran to the, uh, get Savion Howard. Like, you know, how they just run to the free agent list and say, go sign this guy. I mean, we talked about it a little bit on the morning show because of the E-man injury. Maybe you do. Sam's still conscious for this discussion. Right. That's the point. Yes. At this point, yes. But, um, you know, with the E-man injury, we talked about maybe bringing in another veteran. Of course, Stefan Gilmore has been the name of the off season, um, because his brother is here, but I don't think it would be a bad thing if they brought a veteran corner in. But overall, I think they're still good. They have a lot of depth there and so they're good, but they're not good. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like us. Yeah. Pretty good, but we not good. I don't know if we ever go be good. Yeah. And that's disappointing. I know, man. We working on it. We don't got a call. Katie K. We're going, we're going to figure this out. Yeah. We will. No, I mean, I guess Sean, that, that is the one thing, right? Because because I hear it and for me, it's a little different because I operate differently than most going back to last segment, talking about the rookie parlay at the cornerback spot where it's in my nature to think one of them's not going to work because I take the analytical approach to it. You put mostly down and look, if you're in a spot where you're counting on mostly, you're in a bad spot. I'll just say it like that because of the track record. My eyebrow is raised and I don't like, I don't like where it's trending. I'll just say that. And it's not human gloom, everybody calm down. I wore my lion's hat today, would you say that all that matters is the regular season? That's why I'm surprised to hear you say that. No, but, and that's where I go back to. However, if you want to lean, Sean, if you want to lean, I'm mildly worried about it. It's just you parlay that with the Kaminsky thing, which people forgot about who wasn't quality depth guy, your kicker, your kicker is out for the year as well. I don't, I don't like the, I don't like the start. Like when you play around a golf and you bogey the first time. I feel like that's where we're at with that, like we're not off to a great, you know, there's nothing wrong with looking at this analytically or logically. And I think sometimes people kind of take that the wrong way. Can we play the game of what if? All right. Is it safe to say that losing John Kaminsky hurts, right? This was a guy that we thought was going to take some pressure off of punch and make that unit better. So you take him up, right? Now, can the answer still lie within? Yes. Yes. Before you start yelling. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. The answer can still lie within. But I don't think you're looking at both sides of the coin and quite frankly you're becoming that which you detest as we brought up New York media just a few minutes ago. If you don't say, okay, what if, what if what Neil Rule is saying is right? What if one of these guys hits and the other ones kind of struggle? What if some of those issues from last year become more prevalent up front and all of a sudden this unit has to take from something else to try to generate that pass rush? Is it? Oh my gosh. World War three, we're going nine and eight now? No. But I think if we're looking at this logically and analytically, those are questions that we have to say. Now my default mode right now is Fred home. Cool. I'm cool. I got pretty good faith. Let's say it again, Neil. I think he's got the biggest credit line in town and I don't have a lot of reason to doubt. But I think what you're saying is logical. You're not hating. No, you're saying, hey, there's two sides of this. Let's look at this logically. Yeah. I don't think it's hate either, but I would go a step further and say once you want him to be kind of getting burnt, I guess you would say in training camp because I mean, Malik Neighbors is one thing, but he is going to go against bigger, better receivers just in Jefferson. You know, things throughout the season, he's going to have to learn from these things. So I would much rather him begin cooked up in training camp right now. That way he has rather shut people down. Well, of course, if we were going to do this route, you'd be really, really good. Revis Island, but that's just not realistic lockdown corners don't really exist in NFL football. I agree with you. So yeah, we just want him to be able to learn from his mistakes and adjust, so I don't necessarily mind it. It's not Def kind five. He's a rookie. He's going to make mistakes. I agree with Terry Foster and I were talking about that last week, Neil. I'm going to jump right down that the way the game has changed. There isn't a Revis Island. There isn't a Dion Sanders taking away half of the field anymore. You can still be one of the best corners in the game, but when you've got so many people running a mock down the field and so many options, man, that the game has changed. That's the reality of it. You just want to make sure that you have a unit and part of that goes back to what we were just talking about. Yeah, I want to be cool with the defensive backfield, but I want to get that pass rush. Tony Dungy said it like 15 years ago, and I honest to God, I think nobody paid attention to him for a good 10 years. Do you know what the National Football League is today? What can my quarterback do to you and how can you get to the other team's quarterback? That's the National Football League. You can drop defense wins championships. You can drop all that. I mean, that's the league's special team swings game. That's the way. Like, tell me I'm wrong though, like that's that's the NFL today. They're certainly made rules to that effect. They're calling the game to that effect. It is what can our quarterback and what he has at his disposal due to your team and how can you disrupt our quarterback? I mean, that's the National Football League today. Well, we're towards chat, where I jump in to there, get your thoughts out there and get in the ski mask boy. I'm on United Flight 2185, ready for departure. Shout out. I hope you have a good trip. Skies were bumpy yesterday. I'm not gonna lie. I hate to hurt you. And I'm not a guy that is for all the flights I do, I'm cool with all of it. Until I see, when I see the flight attendant sit down and strap up and it's mid flight, I do not like that. I hate that. I do not like that at all. I see I watched Top Gun on my flight back from Colorado. It made me feel like the pilot was a pussy. Like, why aren't you doing barrel rolls and shit like they are in Top Gun? Like, look at Maverick out there going crazy roosters looking pretty good. You're just flying in a straight line, like how impressive is that? All I'm saying is Denzel flew a plane upside down in alcohol. It's true. You know, especially if you're flying out west, if you're going someplace out west, you just accept the fact that that moment you just described Neil, it usually starts with this. Okay, folks, we're heading to the Rockies and it looks like there's some kind of disturbance. You just accept the fact that there's going to be disturbance at the Rockies and maybe order an extra whiskey or an herb in them up. I'm cool. Let me get a little medicine to me and I'll be okay. It's a good time flowing. That's what I like to do. Well, we're sports chat thread. Cubol 93, our biggest loss is Badgerly. How's Jake Bates been here? Yeah, I was just some for you to rag on me, oh, the room got quiet. Hey, Neil, right here, me because I've been the biggest supporter of Jake Bates. How's he doing? Not, he hasn't been consistent, but I mean, this is something that could possibly write as the season goes along. He's not making 80% of his kid. He's not kicking is so important today because that's another one of those things like even in the last 10 years, okay, Neil, there was a time if the dude was routinely hitting 49 yard field goals, all of us were going, wow, okay? That's nothing. Okay. I get the length, I get that people get all excited about Bates, banging 58, 59, 60, etc. Okay. But if you're not hitting those 35s and 38s and 42s, those got to be gimmies today, man. That's just that they got to be gimmies today. So I didn't hear your take on it. I kind of can pick up on it. I felt the same way. I don't care how big your leg is. I couldn't care less. I don't either. I don't care. Okay. I'm running into the same situation a lot of people felt we were in last year. Okay. I'm not I'm not in a position right now where I trust my kick or a whole heck of a lot to go out there and make a kick that should be in operative word should be automatic. And that's a concern. I don't know how anybody else can say it to your point. All right. If dude goes out there and goes four for four, one game, three for three, the other. Okay. Cool. But if that was the M.O. and the reason why he hadn't really caught on in the national football league to begin with and we're seeing this in camp, well, yeah, red flag has to go up. It has to go up, but I'm also going to say there are a lot of answers sitting out there with these kickers. All right. It's not quite like I got to go find myself an edge or I got to go find. There's a lot of answers sitting out there. I think for it is Ryan Seacrest here. There was a recent social media trend which consisted of flying on a plane with no music, no movies, no entertainment, but a better trend would be going to Chumbakocino.com. It's like having a mini social casino in your pocket. Chumbakocino has over a hundred online casino style games all absolutely free. It's the most fun you can have online and on a plane. So grab your free welcome bonus now at Chumbakocino.com sponsored by Chumbakocino. No purchase necessary VGW group void where prohibited by law 18 plus terms and conditions apply. 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You fake like you fucking care here. And that's it. You said Justin's eyes lit up and... Mr. Rule asked me when I'm going back to school. And Neil just went bam with that bear trap. You are watching a master at work now. Justin's up four to six weeks now after that bear trap. Before that six weeks. For real. Well, to be completely honest, I feel like I should have learned more honestly. I feel like I wish that I talked to you more one-on-one to kind of figure out some more of your insider trade because that was remarkable. It was remarkable. No, it's a lead. It isn't called what it is. It was a masterclass. Yeah. It was a masterclass. You'll just go on like Netflix and Neil Rule. How to get over. That's right there. Michael, Neil, you could do stand-up comedy if you wanted to. I've always wanted to give that a try. I have for real. I think that that would be a smash with that. I don't know about all that. No. But yeah. 71 Madcat. Stay out of losing points and stoppage time Detroit said he let's get the job done against a house tonight. Yes. DCFC in action tonight. A key word. CBS Sports Network. How are they doing? They keep giving up leads at the end, man. It's tough. There you go. You're getting draw points instead of win points, man. How are you looking in the U.S.O. conference as a whole in the standings? They're still in a solid spot to make the playoffs, but you know, the top of the conference has kind of left the building on them. So that's what it is. This weekend, by the way, Detroit 50, CBS Detroit 50, I'll be on the call for the game in Las Vegas. So Saturday night Paramount Plus, the Lazo Network, I'll have the Pittsburgh San Antonio. That's a flex. Paramount Plus. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're in there. So we got to fly back Friday night and get done with the show. We fly back down to South Florida, the second most humid place. Yeah, it is. I don't know. New Orleans. New Orleans is bad. New Orleans is pretty bad. New Orleans is. No, absolutely. But we are. We're talking training camp. We're talking NFL football there and I was just getting brought up to date by everybody. So I appreciate all of your guys's efforts with it. I know that people wanted to get my take on this. So the Michigan thing. Yeah. Like G does take on it. So here's the thing, Sean. And again, I'll lean on you with this because you were here when it was going down and stuff like that. Can you kind of reset it for me that where you were, where the people were and then I'll kind of where were you? My opinion on this has not changed since day one. That's kind of where I am with it. Like I didn't learn anything that I didn't already know. Okay. And you know, as well as I do, we live in a society today where you have people that will legitimately look you right in the face and tell you you didn't see what you saw. You didn't hear what you saw. So I know there's one. The reaction from a lot of this room, the reaction from a lot of Michigan fans. A lot. I'm going to say it again. Yes. You know, Michigan fans didn't surprise you. It just, I wasn't surprised at it. Neil, I felt then I feel not. Okay. And I think you and I talked about this many, many months ago, you're the national champion. That's it. You don't have anything to apologize. I never, ever, ever apologize for a win. And I don't think you have anything to apologize for however, we all know what happened deep down inside, you know what happened. And you can never, ever take the moral high ground again because that's something whether you guys want to admit it or not is inconsequential. We know the rest of us that there's been a lot of this over the years. We don't do it that way. Look at Georgia. Look at Alabama. Look at Ohio State and tattoo. We don't do it that way. You did it that way. You won that way. You're going to apologize for it. I don't. And Neil, nothing's going to happen. No, you're not going to have any wins taken away. They're not going to take away your national championship. Your coach may get suspended a few games, but I know this, okay? There's no way in hell that nobody knew who this guy was. He was not a lone wolf. That was him on the sidelines at central Michigan. And I refuse to believe that nobody on two college football programs knew that this guy was doing what he was doing. I absolutely categorically deny that and so do you. And I've been flipping it this way. I've been flipping it this way for a few days now. Neil, can you imagine if an Ohio State coach was caught at Bowling Green at Toledo wearing a Toledo rocket hat at a Michigan fan? Can you imagine the uproar from that? A Michigan State fan wearing a pick a school, Eastern Michigan, an Eastern Michigan hat on the sideline at the big house. Stop it. You would be furious, understand why everybody else is furious, laugh at it and say we're national champions. We'll all carry on with our day. It's okay. We all now that we all know we can all carry on with our day. Where were you? And like, look, I know that everybody and spending like I could tell if you had tone in the show sheet. Yeah. You had tone in the show sheet. Like I feel like somebody I feel like you guys wanted something on him. Hey, geez, got a tone look on his face. This is what made for you, man. Come on now. Nothing is why we missed you. No, nothing is different. Nothing will change. They're not going to. They're not going to bowl ban Michigan or any of that stuff because they need you. Yeah. They need your fan base. Absolutely. You guys are going to watch. You guys are going to deny reality of what happened and all that kind of stuff. And that's fine because it doesn't matter because there are no consequences. Not everyone. Okay. So just not the fan base as a whole. There are certain things. No, it's all of you. It's fine. But it did it happen? Yes. They took advantage of a loophole, a legal loophole, by the way, it wasn't illegal. Well, I'm just there's no rule against it. You can steal signs. Okay. That's in person scouting. I understand, but illegally recruiting your quarter. The reason why I always say they got nothing because if they had something significant or something to where they can take away wins or a championship, they don't have that. So and even the people that have been naysayers against Michigan that have reported on this, even said as much the worst that'll probably happen is a slap on the wrist suspension for sure on more because he was directly involved. I do, however, have a new angle on that that I am curious to get Michigan fans take. Here we go. All right. So what do Michigan fans think of Pete Carroll? I think he's a fine college coach. He was a fine NFL coach. That's basically what Jim Harbaugh is. He's the peak Carol of Michigan right now, see, did what did, what was needed to be done to win and before the hammer fell Dodge town. Oh, yes, not out of town and that's exactly what he did. And Sean Moore is the guy that's got to stand there and let the hammer fall on him. Yeah. In that sense. Yes. But I mean, that's what he is. No, but you guys, whenever we talked about Pete Carroll, it was you, you people that were all like, Oh, Pete Carroll, Oh, he's scumbag and then got out of town right before the hammer fell. That's what Jim Harbaugh. We brought that up last week. It's funny that I brought Pete Carroll Pete was on one side of LA and he saw the torches coming and he jumped right in the Pacific Ocean and swam his way all the way up to Washington. I mean, that that's what happened. And again, I'm going to say, Jim, you got nothing, you got none to hang your head about Michigan fans. Like I'm being serious. I hope I said it last week. I'll say, you got none to hang your head about nothing. You won the national championship. Period. I think that the issue that I have right now, and I brought this up to the guys before the show, Neil. Now there is this Sparty fan or Buckeye fan is having a lot of fun at our expense. You guys need to know you're getting killed all across the nation for a week. That's been my thing. It isn't just Buckeye fan. It isn't just Sparty fan. There's a reason why so many people are having fun at your expense because a lot of you, not all of you. Thank you. That's for you. Thank you. A lot of you, not all of you, are denying something that's sitting right in front of your face and the term moving the goalpost, Neil, is in full effect right now. And Sean, this is this is it. I'll give you what you wanted to some degree here. This is it. It hasn't changed for me. But it's still the same in that you won the champion. You did. You illegally recruited your quarterback. Let's see. Here we go. You you in person scouted, which was also illegal, and it's fine, but because you did it, you won the championship, and you get your t-shirt and you have your hat, you have your ring. You do. You don't get to choose how the rest of the nation perceives it. I just want to agree. I just want to ask you about something in particular. You always bring that up. You always say, because it has, this is what I've wanted Michigan to always do. And that is in cagey. You guys are still mad at me because I was right. But no, if this is something that you were just so right about, and this is something that you wanted Michigan to do, why do you feel the need to bring it up every single time you bring your mission? Because it's part of the story. You don't bring that up with Nick Saban. You don't bring that up. Yeah, I do. You don't bring that up. I told you the story. You don't bring that up. I've been in Alabama. I've been in Alabama. I've been there and talked to the people that told me how it goes down. Did I not sit on this microphone many times and tell you when there's a bar fight in Tuscaloosa, two cop cars show up, the one that takes the students that were involved to the jail, and the other one that takes the football players that were involved to the coach's house. Yeah. And that same police officer sits at the 50 yard line on Saturday. That's it. That's how it works. I get that. But when you bring up Alabama's championships, you never, I tell that story all the time. It's a national champion, but they had players arrested and people didn't know about it. You know, never had that. You can only see that with the Michigan. Do you know what I think the difference is, honestly, do you know what I think the difference is? What? Is all the people out there, again, you're not one of them that are saying you didn't see what you saw. Yeah. Yeah. There are the people that are left scrambling because there are human beings out there and a lot of them who literally saw all those pictures of Connor Stallion's on the sideline. Right. That's not him. I found this guy. He's got to be right. I found this guy who's an RA at the dorm. That's him. He's he's the soft word. He's already in the freshman dorm. That's him. So because we had to go through that whole routine and and and sorry, I refuse to believe that the coaches didn't know it is Ryan Seacrest here. Everybody needs some variety in life. That's what I love about Chumba Casino. They know how to keep things fresh and exciting. All their games are free to play like spin slots, bingo and solitaire. You can claim free daily login bonuses too. And they release new games every week. So spice things up with Chumba Casino dot com now for your chance to redeem some serious prizes. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary VGW group void where prohibited by law 18 plus terms and conditions apply. And part of that part again, part of that was, Oh, come on. He was so low level. He didn't have he didn't have contact with those coaches. Well, the video of him in the OC or DC's ear might tell a different story. And now the text, regardless of what was in those 52 texts, those texts also tell the story that he had contact at least with coach Moore. So again, if if those were the hills that you were willing to plant your flag on and so many of you were, those flags must be ripped out and you have to find some other hill to plant your flag on. And to me, that's my issue with this. If you said to me right now, I know exactly what happened. Yeah. I can't deny it. We're the national champ. So I go, cool. Best of luck in 2024. That's my thing. Yeah, I hear you. That's my thing. It happened. Let's all move on. Did they illegally recruit the quarterback? Yes. Okay. Then what are we arguing about? But did they, did they illegally in person scout? But we don't bring this up with the other program. I do all the time. I don't hear you do that. I do all that. I tell the story on this microphone all the time. I just don't hear you do it. And guess what? And guess what else is next? Every single turn. Guess what else is next now? Like, again, you don't get to, you don't get to choose how it's perceived. And the people in the south, the people in the SEC, when you guys go back to being normal now, they're going to laugh at it. You are Auburn. If you don't continue to win, you're Auburn and that's not goalpost moving. That's how dynasties work. And I have agreed with you with that. Even when you were gone, I brought up the fact that you weren't right about that. It is a certain window that they need to get back to winning in order to show that this wasn't all a fluke. I do agree with that, but as far as everything else, I mean, it just is what it is, man. Like, I think there's a difference. So we were talking about this. And I agree with your, your Auburn analogy, but, but I think there's also a middle there. Okay. Instead of natty six and seven, seven and six, six and seven, where you're just a fraud. If you go natty nine and three, 10 and two, 11, I'm not going to hate on here. You know what I mean? The Auburn, the Auburn theory still staying. If that's what happens, get ready for a shit storm. If that's what happens, get ready for everybody to say, and that's not unfair. No, it's not. It's not totally legitimate. Get ready for everybody. And I mean everybody to sit back and say, hmm, what changed in 21, 22 and 23? People are going to say that whether you like it or not. You just have to accept now that this is part of it. Do you know how you avoid some of that is one more? Don't go off. Yeah, you got to keep going. If you go nine and three, 10 and two, stuff like that, well, that's not going Auburn, but you're not necessarily in the national power category either. Just to me, with Auburn, the chisel, it was all or nothing. It was nanny. Look at us. We're a machine for six and seven, maybe eight and five. Well, that's not good enough. That's not good enough. Dante 151, can we please stop with the kiss, the ring BS? That's a stupid saying. Oh, that ain't going to stop. That same goes with the little brother stuff. I mean, people need to give it up. That's all. Stop either. Arbonne needs to force his little brother. Arbonne needs to shut up and go away. No, Harbaugh, Harbaugh is the smartest man in the room, man. Did you see the press conference when they asked him about it? Yep. Yeah. He's a Pete Carroll. He's your Pete Carroll. So the same guy you guys found, he's your Pete Carroll. It's a good comparison. No, it's exactly. Exactly. Not exactly. There was. Oh, you're right. One of them's won a Super Bowl man. You guys can get it. You guys need all pissed at Paul fine, Bob, if you want, but he nailed absolutely nailed it. He did. If you haven't seen his rant yet, and the company stories, he basically came out and he said, you know, I've been thinking about all these bad things that I was going to say about Michigan. But you know what? I bet he was. God bless you, Jim Harbaugh. You got away with it. You're a genius and you're, he's not wrong. Like what he said, there's nothing wrong. You got away with it. I admire Jim for it. You're not going to get punished. Michigan Astros. You have a memory forever. Yeah. Everybody's got their gear. You ran off back to the NFL, which everybody knew you were going to do one day. Anyway, let's not get ourselves, Jim. Everybody wins. Yeah. Congratulations. That was always the plan. People got mattified bomb for that. What part of that was a false statement? It was. It's just Paul fine bombs. Yeah. That's what it is. 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Then we're done. Then we agree. So then to me, cheating means outright affecting games or the outcome of games, like getting your quarterback. Really? That's one of the things that Sean helped me. Is that one of the things you cheated at? Because last segment you said it was. Yes, but it's just the way you frame stuff, though. But we can't say anything. Like, we did cheat. Like, it's... That's it. That's it. And it's... It is what it is. And you know, you don't want to hear it. But kiss the ring. We don't give a shit. I just want to hear it. You're not wrong. Just keep it. I don't argue with things that are wrong. That's wrong. I am consistent. Just do it with the other teams. What? Every time you bring up another team... Tell me a team. Tell me a team, tell me a team. Another team in their championship bring up their caveats. That's all. I do. I do with Alabama all the time. I just don't hear that. And he doesn't. He hasn't been in studio, but I guarantee you he would have brought up the Georgia driving stuff if he was in. They can do what they want. Exactly. A person died. But it didn't matter. And it's not going to matter. Aaron Hernandez and the Pausikins twins killed people. Yeah. And they still won championships. College football is one of the dirtiest skunkiest places in the... Everybody knows this except for Michigan fans. It's literally... It's not even... It's just the way Neil delivers it. I just... You mean... No, but no. I changed the facts. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the way you deliver it, it's like these things have never, ever happened with any other school ever. No, K.G. I think part of this and I cannot stress this enough. C.K. It's all hearsay at this point. Now there's a second point to that. Because of people like that, that's why this stays alive, okay? The second part to that is... And I don't know if it was you. How many times when we have these conversations, when Neil brings up something, when I brought up something on the radio, when I say yes, these place is cheap, we all have to accept it and move on? Well, we don't do things like that at Michigan. I'm not saying that was you. I get it. I'm not saying that was you. I've never been on the Michigan Pride bandwagon. Yeah, but that... And I think that's part of it. Now that moral high ground is gone. Yeah, I don't care about being the villain. No, nor should you. You want a championship. Yeah. What is more interesting to me? And I was going to watch it anyway. We're all going to watch the Connor Stallion's thing, right? I don't think there's going to be anything of substance in there. I just don't. Can I hope for one thing? I just want him to admit that was him on the sideline at Central. Yeah. That's the only thing I'm looking for. Because if you think this former military guy who's whack job enough to come up with this 7,000 page manifesto is ever going to throw anybody under the bus at the University of Michigan, you're out of your mind. There is going to be nothing of substance in there. I'm going to watch it, I'm going to watch it and immediately text Neil or one of you guys. Well, that was the waste of time I thought it was the one thing that I want, just for the real special crazy crazies out there, I want to see Connor Stallion's with his own mouth. Of course, that was me at Central Michigan. Because while everybody in this room knows that, there's a special brand of crazy out there. It's still arguing. Yeah. Right? Well, really, that's my only one. That's my only ask from that. It's just, it's just seemed like you having your cake and eating it too. If you want Michigan to do this, well, I am because I was, okay, but why need to bring it up every turn? If you wanted them to, because it's part of the story, it will always be a part of the story. And when we talk about the people, you can try to whitewash it off. All you want. It's always going to be a part of the story, especially, especially if you don't get back and continue to do it, but even with the Legion, he will be like, okay, y'all won the national championship. I swear, yes, stop. Yeah, but it's always the extra sentences after. I just don't understand. I just don't understand. And it's only for you. Here's the good Michigan man broder, good Michigan man broder in the championship. You had to illegally repute your for you, but you're the national champion, but I don't feel to me. It's awesome. But it's beautiful. Hey, okay. You ready? He's not wrong. He's not wrong. He's not. He's not. I just don't want to hear every single time and the good Michigan man broder. In the chat, it was him on the sidelines. Was he working for Michigan at the time? Was he working for central? Was he working for a future MSC opponent was his network around the country working for him? Well, he's an international super spy now. That's what I posted on the other news. He's secret agent man. Nobody knew he was there and nobody has any idea how he said it out loud. It sounds ridiculous. Was he working for the FBI to get like nobody. But nobody knew he was working for Russia. Hey, can I give you a meal? You probably know this, okay. And this is whether it be at broadcast. This is there comes a time before a college football game where they basically clear the field. Okay, they really honestly, they proved they clear the field, especially if I saw this at Mac levels or GLIAC levels where I called games, especially in the big 10 and I've been down on that Michigan State field many times before a game, honest of goodness, I'm telling you the truth. Oh, it's Connor Stallion. So what's Connor Stallion? There comes a point in time where they tell you to lead. There are certain passes with certain acts. And you can get a pregame field pass and things like Connor Stallions had to be given pregame and in game passes and acts. They'll hunt you down. That does it. Yeah. Spenny, you just don't get that. If you don't have those passes, they won't find you. You don't get that because you know somebody who knows somebody. Right. Okay. Especially to stand in between the 20s, okay? You might sit in the corner if you're a former player, you know, they always have the obligatory interview. Look who's here. Tyrone Wheatley, the star from 1992 or, you know, you're some incredible donor to be there between the 20s where the staff is. Yeah. It ain't happening. No. Is not. Trust me. When I was doing sidelines for games before I jumped in the booth, I got shit walking behind the fans. Who are you? Who are you? I'd have to put my fit. They know. Let's not pretend they don't know. No, they don't know. Right. 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Do you know what you're most mad at right now? I kid you not. You are most mad at, "You can't be mad at Neil and you can't be mad at me." That's what you're most mad at. Correct. I know that. You know that, okay? And I have two guys, people, individuals in here are going, "Yep." Now, one of those people doesn't like the added sentence that Neil always brings up. I'm down with that. If you said it, why can't you say it and I can't? It's only because you... Say the reason why, KG, what reason is that? Let me talk. It's only because you claim to not be a Michigan hater or you don't dislike Michigan. I'm indifferent. But at every turn, it seems like you're more on the hater side than anything. I say it during break. If I offered you Caesar tickets to the big house this year, would you go to any games? And what did you tell me? I put them on stuff. Do they take the prices for that Texas game? Enough said. Enough said. Enough said. I just really want you to admit that you don't like Michigan. You don't have to hate them, but you don't like Michigan or you don't like the fan base. I just don't understand how something I've been right about since the second I stepped in the studio going back at Decade when I worked with this man at ESPN radio. That's fine. Going all the way back to that. I said it that same day. He was... I did this show. He was on the air the day that he had his press conference, Jim Harbaugh. I was that day. I hear you. I said that some things are going to have to change around Michigan and Sean, we've known each other a long time. When I said some things have to change, you know exactly what I'm talking about 100%. There's no... And you know what? He's not wrong. They tried to do it the old fashioned way. Remember the signing of the stars and all of that? How did that work out? Okay? So, can I...I can't believe this because I'm usually the guy that's called the hater forever and ever about Michigan. I purposely did more of the Spartan hat today by the way, but you know what? I'm going to try to bring the piece. Yeah. And at least when you shine, you have a reason. Spiny has a reason. They're Spartans. This Oakland guy over here... I won't even complain that he doesn't hate Michigan when he really kind of secretes... I want a Nobel Peace Prize for this when I'm done, okay? And people have won him for lesser things, trust me. Okay? Can you do me a favor? Are the Michigan Wolverine a legitimate national champion? Yes or no? He can't do it. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. We're not done. Stop there. You know what we do? We give him an olive branch, right? Yep. Neil, you were blessed amongst the nations. KG. Yes. Did the Michigan Wolverines sheet to win their legitimate national championship? Yes. No. We're done. So why aren't you killing him? We're done. It's the tone. There were no extra centuries. Right. No extra centuries. That's been my only problem with Neil this whole time. He can't do it. You said exactly what I said. I just got to know about this prize for tensile. You know what? Maybe you shouldn't talk about illegal quarterbacks and you too could get a new game. Neil, this is why my kato happened. I keep telling you this. This is exactly what I just hate about it. So Sean can say it and he pauses longer and it's okay. Okay. Okay. Let me try. Okay. Let me try. KG. He can't do it. Michigan won the national championship and football last year. Stop. Stop. You're out to it. I see it. You want to do it. All right. Did Michigan cheat? Yes. We were so close. Yeah. We were so close. We were so close. What was different than about what you said? I have breaking news, by the way. Yeah. I see that too. It's a matter of fact. NCAA Sanctions just came out for Michigan and Jim Harbaugh. They gave Jim Harbaugh a four-year show cause and one-year suspension from everything if he comes back to college football. He's not. Nothing to do with the program. Now, just Jim Harbaugh. So he's this. So he is being careful. The Joe means nothing. In all caps. It says this is not related to the sign stealing case. So my guess would be this has to do with legal recruiting. Yes. It has to do with the national. Yes. It has to do with that. I just read the law. So it does have to do with that. Yes. Oh, weird. Yeah. But it's just a cheeseburger. It is. No, a nothing burger. Yeah. Anything else? So a one-year ban and a four-year show providing calls and misleading info as well. He is so he's a liar, too. He's a liar. No, I love it. Doesn't. I'm sorry. Just again. These are things like. Benny, keep it on the pole. Yeah. It's a lot of nothing to me. Is Jim Harbaugh Pete Carroll? Yes or no? I mean, it was more money involved with Pete. That's the only difference. But I get the comparison. I get it. This reminds me a little bit of the Jim trust because didn't they drop the show cause after if I'm not mistaken, didn't they drop the show cause after tattoo gate? I think he had show cause. And I think that when he went to Youngstown, he had to like have a hearing even like four years later, like with Youngstown for the whole show cause, which is nothing but a dog and pony show. Pretty much like. But if I'm Jim Harbaugh, I mean, like you're laughing at that right now, he did what he wanted to do at Michigan. He won a national championship, whether you guys want to admit it or not, he wanted to go back to the NFL. He did. That garbage with him saying two years ago, that's it. I'm not going to try anymore after Minnesota fell apart. Yeah. Is a flat out lie. Absolutely. Everybody knew it. You know it and you're living it now. I know some of you want to blame Ward manual, which Jim laughs at because Jim knows he wanted to go back to the NFL. This means nothing. But just just remember guys, the quote that will live on an infamy from one Jim Harbaugh. If you have to cheat to win, you already lost. Yep. It just means nothing, it doesn't, this doesn't, again, like Neil, I keep waiting for some kind of news out there throughout this whole process that surprises me. Yeah. Nothing has surprised me. Nothing. Do you know what I will be surprised at? I will be surprised if you find undeniable evidence of a link where Connor Stallion's is talking to Jim Harbaugh or talking to during a game or something. Yeah. About his fine. Yeah. You're never going to find that. No. They're all smarter than that. Did it happen? Absolutely. It did. We all know it did. But I don't think you're ever going to find that. There's honest to goodness or is anybody shocked at this? There's no shock. No. No. I think it's probably as doubly as, you know, kind of a joke. What happened? It's a joke. Good for Jim. Congratulations, Jim. Seriously. Good. Sue you. They beat Bama. They toyed with Washington. They are national champs. Coke, Sean. And they're cheater. They are. Yeah. Like what part of that? KG, get my back here. I got it. What part of that don't you understand? They're national champions. They are. And I'm not adding sentences. You have nothing. I'm hoping, but thanks for the advice. Thank you. Yes, Rudy. Filthy little cheaters. Y'all gotta let it go, man. Filthy little cheaters. They took advantage. We have no chance but to go. They're national champions, KG. Yes. No sentence. Thank you. That's why I respect you, Sean, as a fellow Sparty. Mike G says, um, while it's still good that Michigan is a winning us program. Winning his football program. That's my G. You know. So I will go back, Sean. That October 19, 1907 win over Wabash. 22 to nothing at Washington Field in Indianapolis, Indiana. Was that one of your favorite Michigan wins? You don't do so well into Wabash and expect to throw a beat down like that. There's a reason why 117 years later, we're still talking about that game. There's a reason for that. Can we do that bit one day? Can we go back again? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Chicago dental school. Yeah. Those were great time. So, yeah. So that's it. Breaking news. Again, for those that are just joining us. NCA committee on infractions has given Jim Harbaugh four year show cause for recruiting violations and unethical conduct. This is not related to the science dealing case. So Jim Harbaugh will is suspended for a year. So once the four years runs out, he will also be suspended for a year if he ever does go back to college. So he is Pete Harrell. Uh, burn now, Jim Harbaugh is more like OJ Simpson. We all know he did it, but the glove didn't fit. Now that's impressive. No, that's a better comparison to me. I mean, I don't know. No, the reality of it. It did fit after the sanctions today. Listen, listen, there's money involved with the beat here. Listen, there's more truth than an analogy than any of us want to admit. And here's why. There's still maniacs out there like this story. I think OJ didn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. Those numbers are fewer and far between, but there's still maniacs out there. There's still maniacs out there that think he didn't do it. So maybe that there's a little more validity to that than any of us want to admit. That frightens me. I don't like that. Even Jim Harbaugh knows Michigan are losers. He said it himself. You have to cheat to win. You already lost. It's quote from your Messiah. He ain't my Messiah. And if you want somebody on your side that's always going to win without investigations or show causes or anything like that. Katie K Law is a play. All right, guys. I know we're yucking it up. It's time to get serious right now. Divorce, family issues, criminal law, all of it. 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Around the end, you'll all of you in the Woodward Sports chat. We have to pull right now. Does Jim Harbaugh equal Pete Carroll? 65% of you say yes, which is weird because there was a lot of disdain and a lot of hate for Pete Carroll. And the 35% they say no, just might just mean that he doesn't have a Super Bowl. That's fair. You know the problem that I have and this is why there's more validity than anybody wants to remember. And you and I had front row seats for this in regard that it was very prevalent at one point in time. It's the telling me to believe something that is completely unbelief. That Reggie Bush is driving in a new car that his mother is driving in a new car and they have a new house. You slept through your alarm, missed the train and your breakfast sandwich. Ugh. Cool. Sounds like you could use some luck. I'm Victoria Cash, and Luckyland is where people go every day to get lucky. At Luckyland, you can play over a hundred casino style games for free for your chance to redeem some serious prizes. Go to Luckyland slots.com and get lucky today. No purchase necessary. VGW Group, point where prohibited by law. 18+ terms and conditions apply. And Pete Carroll knew nothing of it. Like really that's what you're going with? Honest to goodness. Your bonus baby. A phenomenal college football player. And by the way, don't misconstrue. I didn't have a Heisman vote then, but if I did, I would have voted for Reggie Bush. Dammit. And Reggie Bush would have deserved it. Because what happened off the field had no effect on what I saw on the field. Reggie Bush was a stud. Mm-hmm. An absolute stud. But Pete Carroll, if you remember Neil, I didn't know anything about that. Dude had every for a while that was like the in cool place. Like the Palace of Auburn Hills for a couple of years there. Yeah. Friday night, man. It was a social night. You wanted to be a threat. Every gosh damn comedian out on the West Coast. Right. Gangsters. Will Ferrell. Everybody was all over USC. Yeah. And Pete Carroll looked at everybody with a straight face. I didn't know anything about that. I had no idea. And that's what Jim Harbaugh's trying to do right now. And unfortunately, there are enablers who are supporting that. And that's what you are. I mean, if you honestly believe that Jim Harbaugh didn't know what's going on, you're enabling. And we can all move on with our day. And you can yell at me and you can yell at Neil. And you can yell at traitors like KG that are looking at this the way it should be looked at. Hold on. Prop due in the World Sports Chat thread. These two talking about Michigan? Yeah. No thanks. All right. I mean, I didn't get a press release about me saying that there's a four year show gone. That literally just happened. Well, they need their echo chambers. Yeah. I mean, they can now admit because it's in writing and in sanction that Jim Harbaugh cheated and lied. And you can't say he didn't. You need. But then you already lose. I think that's part of the problem today is the echo chamber is what's causing people to say they didn't see what they saw and hear what they heard. Like, come on. It doesn't take a rocket. You're the national champs. I'm not stressed that strongly enough, much like when you were all frapping on Ohio State or Florida or Bama or Auburn. Dude. They won. They're the national champs. Honestly, I got to say this whole thing kind of reshaped my mind about college football because now as the cheating has benefited me, I will no longer say anything towards it towards any team in the future. You feel dirty. I don't. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. And they won the natty. So no, I don't. Because honestly, if I was in that same position, I'd do the same thing. And I won't lie about that. I'd do the same thing. If it meant trying to tell you, if it meant winning a natty, I'm down to get dirty. You and I agreed with that last week. Are you kidding me? I'd have no problem. Zero problems. Can you imagine that? No problem whatsoever. Thank you very much. Cool. Say what you want. Just make sure, even if you have your add on sentence, make sure you include the term national champion somewhere in your conversation. Yeah. Say whatever the hell you want. And make sure you pause long enough before you say the next sentence. I'm even going to allow you to use the next sentence. I know. Honestly, I am. Hey, Gee, no. I just don't like it. Come on. I'm going to add. See, you are the national champions. Even though you cheated doing this, cheated doing that. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Thanks. I'm sold out after the first thing. So I do want to change the gears. And I do want to get back to some NFL talk. And it is funny because just looking around the league, right? The quarterback that was illegally recruited by Michigan seems to be struggling in Minnesota Vikings camp right now. You love it. But Vikings media wants to prop him up like he's the next Patrick Mahomes. And that's what I've been getting to. That's the vibe I've been getting. So Sean, I go to you, which is it? Because Sam Darnell was already named the starter. And this impacts us as Lions fans. Absolutely. Because again, I wish him nothing but stunning failure in the NFL. Yeah. Stunning failure in the NFL. You did that Michigan too, but at least it makes sense. No, no, no, no, no. It makes sense here. Unless he comes to the Lions. Yeah. Then I want him to be the best ever. With that being said, this goes back to what we were talking about about camp early, right? The propaganda, the narratives, everything that's out there. The JJ McCarthy thing, I guess, Sean. It's not looking so good. Well, you know, there's two ways to look at this. And I think the first way is, and we were talking about this. This bare jerk off right now is driving me out of my head. And I was going to get to that on the other end of this. And I think they're tied to rookie quarterbacks, man. Yeah. They do dumb things. I don't care who you are. Peyton Manning as a rookie. Take a look at the numbers. There are some good numbers there. There was an interception number that was like that. Astronomical. There's a reason why these guys struggle is rookies. And I think when you just say, oh, what the hell? Let's just throw them to the wall. I don't always think that's the best idea. I just don't. Is this an indicator on where JJ is? Or is this an indicator of, let's pull back a little bit. Sam can take the lumps. Let's let this guy learn on the job and pull a Matthew Stafford. We're in a few weeks. We're going to insert him in. And he's our starter. I don't know. I'm not close enough to camp. I haven't had those conversations with some of the people out there. But I know this. Historically, when you hand the keys, when you hand the keys to a rookie quarterback, you're basically telling the rest of your team. Hey guys, remember all those expectations we had? Drop them. Drop those, drop those expectations. That's just the way that it is historically been. Sam Darnell doesn't terrify me either. But I'll be honest with you, what I, what I like to face a rookie quarterback more, especially in the early season. Absolutely. Yeah. From a Lions standpoint. Yeah. I want to, those rookie quarterbacks do dumb rookie things. And, and I want to get on that when we come back because it is, it is something and you, you alluded to it. And I, because it's gone too far. To me, it's gone. This Chicago Bears thing has gone too far. And so I, I do. I want to get into that and discuss it after we talk about Randy. Why? 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That's the world we live in. I got you. Yeah. I'm not going to read your messages about the afternoon show in Michigan fans. And graphic details and all that. Yeah. I'm not doing it. So, yeah. I know. But we were just, we were talking about the JJ McCarthy thing and kind of training camp. NFL training camp has been the overriding subject before the breaking news that Jim Harbaugh has been handed out a four-year show cause and a one-year suspension by the NCA. But he didn't know anything. But yeah. But anyway, though, Sean, the Chicago Bears thing. And, you know, like when you go places, you kind of, your sports fix comes from a more national perspective. And they are locked in the, the national networks, all of it. This Chicago Bears thing. When did Caleb Williams win two national titles and four Heisman's in college football? What changed with that? All that stuff you talked about with rookie quarterbacks, apparently that doesn't apply in Chicago. This Caleb Williams love best. I heard that young Justin's going to a Caleb Williams festival in the Poconos, like all of it. Like what is going on with that? Dude, you talked a little bit about the New York media earlier in the show and I don't think you're wrong. But I'm telling you what, neck and neck, it's like one of those photo finishes at the Olympics. The Chicago media is not too far away. Especially about the Bears. It is amazing and I have friends that live in Chicago that tell me that they have to put up with this nonsense every year. Look, in the interest of being fair, do I like the moves that the Bears made? Yes. Yes, I do. Yes, I really, really, truly do. Number one, it's a rookie quarterback. Number one, it's not just any rookie quarterback, it's Caleb. And if you've watched one of my favorite bigs, Neil, and you and I have probably talked about this over the years. I love looking at the preseason top 10. And every year, going, who's the biggest fraud in the top 10? And I'm going to tell you what right now, you know who probably leads the league even more so than Texas? And I know everybody gives them shit. It's USC. Every year. Every year. Oh my God, don't even get me started. Every year? Do you remember Lane Kiffin, that was the perfect convergence of there's nothing there and there's nothing there. Every single year. And I would tell people with Lane Kiffin, it was like, please, just a little homer. I'm not asking for a lot, just a little homework. What has he done that has made people put this guy up on a pedestal? What's he done? There was nothing with the Raiders. There was a seven and six year with Tennessee. Seven and six, but it was the convergence of everything that was right. And they fell apart. And so not just that, Neil, but I know what a big fan you are. If you stay up late and watch some of these games, especially later in the season. Caleb's just like the Trojans as a whole the last couple of years. That white flag was wave late, man. It was way in charge. For me with Caleb Williams, and I've said this on this show before, he's great when the wind's at your back. And it's sunny and it's nice out. The second something gets hard. And we talked about this and spending, it was a get right. Remember San Jose State? Over USC, they were getting all those points. I just don't see it. Well, it's not C. Okay, that's ridiculous. That is ridiculous. I'm sorry, man. I bring this set up every single time. Caleb Williams last year was seven and O when his team gave up less than 32 points. 32. I know what it's called. The wind's not always a hit. It's some point. You've got to go take it. You need to have a respectable defense to win at any level. I'm not talking about Georgia deep. 32 points, not 20, not 14, 32. It's not Caleb Williams fault. His defense is letting up 40 points every week. With these dudes though, Spenny, with these dudes at one point in a season, you see them say, "You know what? Fuck it. I'll do it myself." I never, I never got that. Bye from him. I never got that. I just, I question in an NFL locker room, John. Does it work in college? Sure, it works in college. When you're annoyed and you're the big man on campus in an NFL locker room. If a guy can only do it when the wind's at his back, it's not going to work. No, I don't think it will. I don't think it will. And I need to say this again, because again, you know, like everything else, Dave, he tried to speak objectively. You're a lighting fan. I mean, it's such a bad bit. You know what you should do? Focus on what the person is saying. And what I'm saying is this, look around the national football league, okay? Historically, go ahead and pick out all those rookies that came in and blew it up. And I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about CJ. I'm not even talking about exceptions to the rule other than a couple. Okay? And it's always the exceptions to the rule. So are you going to tell me that Caleb Williams is going to be one of those exceptions to the rule? I just had one. Pardon me. Pardon me if I don't buy into that to me. I don't. CJ is one. No, to be honest with you, KG, I don't think people are up CJ enough. I really don't. They don't. They don't. They don't keep that same energy when they talk about Jordan loves run and CJ Strauss run. They think that everyone annoys Jordan love currently, and everyone's like, oh, I need to see it more with CJ Strauss. For me, it should be the other way around. I mean, Jordan love had the time on the bench to fumigate and become the starting quarterback that he was anointed to be from Aaron Rodgers. CJ Strauss came in last year, led his team with the playoffs, won his division, and won a playoff game. So I don't know. Woodward sports, chat, Brad, jump into there, get your thoughts out there, just a fan. New moniker, straw man, Sean, and whiny wife, Neil rule. New moniker for just a fan, just a douche chimes in. And yeah, a new moniker for Jim Obama, cheater and liar, and here's, this is what this is what, if you can cite an example, I'll listen, because clearly you're not listening. So instead of being a bitch, cite an example, cite an example, and we can have a conversation. What we're here for, what part of what I said was straw man, it's easy to throw dumb little quotes out like that. I'll be a man, give me, give me an example of, of what I said that was straw man. Well, Neil, I'm sure you'd say the same thing, I'm here, easy, I'll own it. No problem. Maybe you should start owning. Nobody's fainting in that chair today, buddy. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not, yeah, I'm not Sam Flan, I'm going to finish the show. I'm not going to tap up. I'm here. Give me an example. It's always, it's, I, I laugh at things like give me an example. And if you know what, if you're example's factual, unlike you and your fan base, I'll admit it. Because that's what it is. That's what K, K, G brings it up. Why isn't it like that with the, with the Georgia or Alabama or, or, or, because Michigan fans are soft as baby shit. That's what it is. Yeah. No, they are. And I told Neil straight up during the break, I do not like a big portion of Michigan fans. I said a little more graphic than that, but I do not like a big portion of Michigan fans. You know who I feel bad for in all the Michigan stuff, by the way? You ready to go to break? Because there's something I want to get to with Sean that we haven't had yet. I feel bad for the players. I feel bad for Sean Moore. Yeah. That too. He is in a no win situation. Yeah. I feel bad for the players because they went out there every week busted their ass, earned it, won it. And now they're getting sucked into this because their coach was a cheater and a liar. You know, this would be so easy though. Like honestly, here's my advice to every Michigan fan out there. You're right. Ha ha ha. You're right. Yeah. You're right. That's what Georgia does. You think Georgia gives the shit when another one of their players gets caught speed racing drunk? No, because there's two more behind them. Oh, look at all these like that. It's it's all the man. And we got two more behind. And yeah, they're recruiting us off the level. A different level. All right. I would take a break because I want to. I want to get to something with Sean. Well, we want to have a ton of time to talk about it, but I just want to check him with them. The best gym in the gym game is planet fitness. Guess what? There was one in Savannah, like two miles from where I stayed. And guess what? I snuck in there and got it in a couple of times on vacay as well over 50 locations in Metro Detroit alone. 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Final segment of the show big D energy Woodward sports network and um Sean Belisian in for a DMACC by the way and Sean since I have you here. This was a hot topic of debate and I never did get your take on and you're the resident hot guy. Because this is sports talk for me because I have you here the iserman thing and I heard people kind of crafted to fit whatever narrative they wanted to fit that day. Where you at with Steve iserman right now the 30,000 foot Steve got the job bronze Neil since making six and a half million a year um to today where you at with the clock doesn't even start until this season he told you he told you the day he was hired. Like honestly he sat there on April 19th 2019 and said this isn't going to be easy. Did he tell you cheaters never win? He didn't he did not say that he did he was a different coach. He didn't write in the checks. He said this is going to be this is going to be difficult and we don't want to get to the point where we just get into the playoffs. We want to get to the point like the era that DMACC played in like Steve played it. Anybody with half a brain in their head if you follow hockey at all there's a reason that a term five year planning so the clock doesn't even start now there are things that we didn't know at the time that we know now that I think are going to make this more difficult and both of them two of them at least are in the division this just in Montreal is trying to do the same thing and they're doing a really good job of it so far. Are they there yet either no but go take a look at all the talent that they've got in their system I've seen some places rank them two or three the Buffalo Sabres that's another team they've got a crap load and all of a sudden you're in an interesting position in this division where you've got some of the elder statesmen and some of the young pups are going to do a flip-flop really soon you're going to see the upper part of this division the Boston Tampa Tampa you're already starting to see it a little bit I'm going to be intrigued to see what happens with Toronto even when you still have Austin Matthew but you're going to see them kind of go like that in Detroit Montreal Buffalo one might even say auto although I still think there's something poisonous in the water there but the problem that Steve Eiserman is having right now is this didn't happen as quickly as people wanted to happen that doesn't change the smart play and he's been playing the smart meal Alan W and here's I'm thank you Alan for this by the way because I want to hit Sean with this so rebuild takes a minimum of five years and the clock is just starting now yes absolutely no doubt my mind whether you like to hear it or not it's inconsequential I had a I had a general manager not named Steve Eiserman tell me point blank five years you don't hear people say it yeah who wants to hear that nobody wants to hear that but point blank from their starting point to not and I can hear people now so let me let me touch up at the past there is no comparison to what Steve took over in Tampa to what he took over here in Detroit there's no comparison the books nine in Tampa and they had all-star level talent already he had and and you know what it would be great to have a not quite ready for prime time Stephen Stamps and Victor had been waiting to be unleashed upon yeah there was nothing like that well they're talking about there was Franz Nielsen at six million bucks a year on there Jimmy Howard still in the just an advocate or at 19 million there was a first round draft pick that told everybody he was gonna fill the opposition's puck or next with hot and he can't stay in the National Hockey League so I know I get it fans in Detroit you don't want to hear that word I totally get it and unfortunately for Steve there's no way that he can illegally recruit a quarterback or there's no way that he can have in-person scouting to to help him out he can't but if he could I'm sure he would and then he'd hold his finger up and go Stanley Cup champion bitch put your line in that was Sean Belisian that's I know I'm gonna get blamed for this you know what it's come full circle for me in this business Sean because when we were at 105 one together I got to do shows with Drew Sharp and I could say whatever I wanted to and the people just attacked roof they were quote what I said to Drew dude I was the biggest hater in the history of mankind that's why it's fun working with you right now when I was at the fan people I had so much fun with Heisman Trophy and Dennard and man I had so I had so much fun with that it was remember the Dennard Heisman thing it was that was fun well you know what it almost reminds me of the lion fans who tried to glorify the gym Caldwell you know what you needed to see that things can be better and now all of a sudden to the average Michigan fan just not just Dennard Robinson look as pretty as he did and I'm not talking about the off the field okay yeah but does that Dennard Robinson era seem as fun and as glorious as it did even a couple of course not but when you die in the desert in the water you know that was the shoelace was looking good what I always told people about the lions is quit trying to tell me that the gym Caldwell era was this that and the other thing yeah well now no but exactly at the time I was always saying I can't wait until somebody shows you what a real team looks like yeah that's what Dan Campbell is done and now nobody's going to argue with me how great Jim Caldwell was and I hope they don't argue with me how great Dennard Robinson was for goodness yeah that ship itself love shoelace though shoelace was great but as long as he wasn't playing a real defense he was phenomenal and a calendar hadn't flipped to October yeah still remember the September Heisman thing still on the cover of the best NCAA game ever do you remember Patience you know what is great September Heisman and all the shirts that came out take forty eight four ever yeah horses of nature wind snow rain take uh real quick or right off speaking of the college that was a real that was a real t-shirt that's what those people did over the course of one week Sam McGuffey oh oh it's a new fact flip though it was awesome yeah you too baby oh it's absolutely awesome it's amazing what's up you can't get it lived up to the high back if you can if you can figure out kicking let me know man I have no idea I still struggle I have no idea I'll kick her in everything I still struggle anything outside like 30 yards it's I ain't kicking for I'm going for any four than 20 I'll still go I had a dream yesterday that I was playing college football but I still haven't played it yet maybe you should create Jake you got a game heavy your kick yeah so he can go six for nine yeah I don't know I you'll hit one from 60 that was told you answer yeah all right I'm 60 I'm just so we'll be back at again tomorrow for Sean Volisian KG young Justin and Spencer Rechter I'm Neil rural thanks for tapping in big D energy Woodward sports network Mike G can you break down the Michigan defense with KG tomorrow sure maybe let's talk about it well see you later it is Ryan Seacrest here everybody needs some variety in life that's what I love about Chumba Casino they know how to keep things fresh and exciting all their games are free to play like spin slots bingo and solitaire you can claim free daily login bonuses too and they release new games every week so spice things up with 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