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I don't know, because he went to Taylor Swift last night and popped into the living room this morning and was so hungover, I was like, babe, just go back to bed, so he did. He's celebrating it another time. So are you blaming Taylor Swift for this? Indirectly. It's absolutely her fault, as the judge and jury of this situation. It's totally on Taylor Swift. Why would you get that drunk at Taylor Swift? I think he got a ticket that allowed him to get access to a free car. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a good ticket. Not only did he get a ticket, look what you made me do. Lovely. Thanks very much. Wow. So would you really say this first of all, I know? So no birthday brunch. No birthday brunch meeting up with a partner later. Right. Then I'm off to Glaston Wednesday. You're going double early. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And that's when this, yeah. I am camping. I am. Yes. I'm looking forward to it. The best bit is that I'm still doing my physio. So I'm going to be sort of doing, yeah, every morning at camp, these weird act like aerobics on site to try to make sure that my foot recovers. It will all be fine. I had a chat with my doctor last week and he was like, oh, you know, just do light exercise. I was thinking to myself, yeah, Glastonbury. That's fine. Off we go. Have you ever camped at a festival, Hayley? No. Have you ever been to a festival where camping is available? Yeah, but that's none of my business. I'm not getting involved in that. Do you remember when? I've talked to you before. If there's a tent involved, I'm not coming. All right. Okay. Scott, what we did last year, remember we did that episode of my swatch. On a Tuesday. On a Tuesday, but also from CB. Why was it on a Tuesday? Well, because I was coming back from Glastonbury on the Monday and I then slept for 18 hours. For the moment I got home. I went to bed at 6pm and I woke up at midday, two hours before we were there. That one wasn't Taylor Swift's fault. No. That was very much my own. That was Sorelton's fault, presumably. Yes, it was. Very much so. Thank you, Sorelton. But when we did that CBB show, I'd also come directly from a festival from that. Because I was up in Edinburgh for the TV festival, then came down to do, I went to a festival called Shambhala until the Monday. Then on the Monday morning, went up and did CBB's with you. And I felt like I was having a dream. I was beyond broken and tired. But yeah, we made it. And as miraculously I've survived another year. Ellie, do you even watch Glastonbury on the TV? Did you get involved in any of that? No. Glastontelli, as you've heard. No. It's not a must watch for me. No. No. No. My joy is that when I go and see gigs, if there's a clash, I sort of think to myself, this is a very me thing to think. I always go to myself, "Well, I'll watch it and I'll play later." BBC does go and everything. You're sitting at home with your seven screens going at the same time. Pretty much. Trying to buy tickets for 2025, knowing that 2026 might not happen. Yeah. Follow you. It's needed. It is just for my sake. Yeah. That's true. And the world of televisions. Yeah. So you go in, this is how many years in a row now you've been going? I've been, I think this is my eighth time. Wow. There's three pillars of my personality. Being gay, me being dyslexic and me going to Glastonbury. That's pretty much one type personality. Wow. Okay. So women it. That's a lot of pressure to put on yourself when you're trying to get tickets that one-third of your entire personality may be erased for every time. It's very hard. Yeah. It's very hard. Yeah. If I don't get it in that public sale, I have to leave the country. I have to go abroad on holiday and not be here during it. It's the only way I managed to survive. Pretend you meant it that way. Yes. Taking a fallow year. Yeah. Very much so. What are the three pillars of your personality, Haley? So women it. What did you do? Gay dyslexic. And Glastonbury. Glastonbury. Okay. You don't have to be comparable by the way. No. Yeah. You don't say, you know, straight and white. Oh my God. It's a lot of pressure, but Haley. It's a lot isn't it? If you had to convince that down to three things like Scott just did. Yeah. Yeah. Crows. Crows. Crows. Yeah. Bird feeders. Yeah. I've just seen that what's his face from Metallica has six bird feeders. James Hetfield. In a new story. Admits he's obsessed with bird watching and probably has six bird feeders. Yeah. So yeah. Very much. Very much. Jesus Sean seems to know you better than you know yourself. He's just coming with two absolute nailed on. Right. One was Crows, he said. And then he said Monty Don. Tic. Tic. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. And not like the reality shows perhaps. How would Monty Don feel about being one third of my life? Well, we can ask him because we have him here. Here he is. Hello. So you're Monty Don in breath. It's about Monty Don Don. Oh, what a lovely man. What a lovely man. So okay, there's now we can either wait and ask you or we can ask listeners a must. Sure. I think the third aspect. This won't go wrong in any way. Mr. in between. Can't be defined by TV shows. So we've only got Monty Don and Crows in there. What would be the third? Oh, God. Do you have to be? We've already had therapy today. Okay. Right. Well, ask your therapist. We're slowly undoing it. What would be the third? Because the therapist might know how to do it. What the hell? Halley's fell. I imagine dancing yourself into three principles of who you are like that. Scott, that was effortless the way you did it. Maybe also if there was a fourth pillar. What time? We're wearing yellow the whole time. Because I'm wearing yellow today. You can have a fourth pillar. Three pillars is a weird thing. Four pillars makes much more sense. Yeah. That holds up the thing. Yeah. There are five pillars of hip hop, I think. Oh, I bet. Yeah. So you could have five. We're very much going down a traditional conversation code of the sack, aren't we? The five pillars of Scott Bryan. Coming soon on Five Life, I don't know. Yeah. Halley Campbell. Listen, considering how mortified Halley was when asked for a three, getting to five might be extraordinary. No idea. Wow. 85058, if you think you know what it is. Be nice. And be absolutely beyond charming. As everyone is to you, I mean, you must get from all the emails that we get. I reckon Scott, the majority are starting with Halley, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I'm on Scott. What did I get? The other bloke or whatever? The other bloke. The other week on one of the emails. Yeah. Really charming. OK. Now, we've got a review because we're contractually obliged to review some TV. Yeah. Rita say that in her contract. Yeah. But I haven't even asked you what it is that we're-- We're actually reviewing it. Well, we're actually reviewing. So, Halley, I'll start with you. What have we got? What have we reviewed this week? We do have some shows. We've got a new show written and created by Stephen Moffatt called Douglas is cancelled, which stars Hugh Bonneville and Karen Gillan. Ooh. OK. And Scott. We're looking at I am Celine Dion, which is a new personal documentary on the singer. Plus Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen is back for a new Channel 4 series called Outrageous Homes, which pretty much says what it does on the tin. Yeah. And who better? Quite frankly than Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen. It would take a lot for Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen to be upstaged by a house, but it does happen. Maybe they should have called it outrageously flamboyant homes to make it more fitting with Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen. This is not going into my review, but there were times in which I was trying to work out what was more outrageous, the outfit he was wearing, or the home he was wearing looking at. And that's exactly what you want from a Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen show, I think. So is it suited the colour palette? It's so easy. Yeah. Yeah. Because if he walked into a kind of Scandi minimalist house, there would be like some kind of glitch in the matrix. Exactly. Right. It would be weird. OK, we shall review some, well, we, Scott and Hayley will, after we do download. Now they're the shows that Scott and Hayley recommend you binge watch at the moment. Hayley, what do you have? What? There's a season three? Yeah, I know. Don't. OK, so I know you've just said you can binge watch it at the moment, but I am breaking the rules again. Because this is two weeks in a row, you've broke rules. I know. I know. Don't shout at me. Especially on the show. Especially on the show. You've had therapy. Exactly. That's the last thing you need. OK, sorry. Sorry, Hayley. Go on. So it's the bare season three on Disney Plus. It's not out until Thursday. But America have had it for weeks before us, which just isn't fair. I don't think that happened anymore. No, it happens all the time. And it happens all the time. Season three as well. Yeah, hack season three, which is supposed to be one of the best TV shows of this year. The first two series on Lamas and Prime. Third series. No idea. No idea. Wow. I've emailed them more if I. OK. No reply. And I'm sure I'm not the only person in the UK who just texts Scott occasionally and says, "When are we getting hack season three?" It's not my fault. OK. It's specifically on air. This is crazy. So the bare season three opens. So the bare season three. It's an amazing show if you've never seen it. It's stressful. Like uncut gems is stressful. Yeah. But then there'll be like a near silent episode to give you a break when it's just someone trying to make a perfect pastry in Copenhagen. Jamie Lee Curtis was in an episode last season that I think should have had a health warning on it. I had to pause it and just have little, you know, walks around my flat to calm down. Oh my gosh. OK. But if you've never watched the bear, it's about a young chef from a fancy restaurant who comes back to Chicago to run his family sandwich shop after his older brother dies by suicide. And he's suddenly having to run this whole business, but the business hasn't really been run properly in decades. So it's a mess. And it's full of all these staff who are very set in their ways. And basically, it's a lot of fights with a lot of different people. It's very stressful, but it's also very funny. And it's mostly about grief, I think. And also, if you've ever worked in a kitchen before, like I have, I think you'll really appreciate how realistic it is because there are these moments during the stress when someone will just put themselves in the walk-in fridge and shut the door. And all the sound from the kitchen just dies away. I used to do that all the time. I used to go in there just for a little sob, you know, treat yourself just to a little cry. And they do that in this show as well, so I think that is very special. OK, so I loved season one. And then started watching season two and the interplay between Richie and Kami, especially how angry Richie was all the time, just got too stressful and I gave up. So I never saw Jamie Lee Curtis episode in season two. There's lots of arguments about that being the best episode, but I'm not sure it is. I really like the one where just the guy goes to Copenhagen and it's really quiet. Yes. And it's just nice. And they do, they put it in a moment when you're like, I can't take any more of this stress and then it's like, they've done it on purpose. It's such a great cast. It's so well acted. OK, so I'm going to go back to season two and then try and embark on three. Are they dropping them one a week? I'm not sure, actually. Disney usually drops them all at once, so unless they're doing something weird. OK, that's good because my son is currently super annoyed that the boy's season three, I think, is dropping one a week because he's finished his GCSE, he's got loads of time on his hands and just wants to sit there watching ultra-violent, which says something for my parenting, but I'm allowing him to do that at 16 years old. But yeah. Oh, come on. At 16, that's what you want to do. Yeah, that's true. I mean, my dad was showing me Robocop when I was eight, so what's wrong with that? My dad, meanwhile, just makes me watch the Tour de France with him on ITV5. Oh, yeah! A bit less violent. Although people do come over. Yeah. Yeah, very, yeah. Not intentionally violent, but very dangerous. Oh, yes. OK. Two different parenting styles. It's a way to show the range and how that influences who we are today. It does show. There's no right answer. No. That would be a great text in the most inappropriate film your parents made you watch under the age of 12. But then, of course, we couldn't read out any of the texts, Karina. I mean, texts are already, I guess. They're not serving suggestions. They're just things that happened. Now, Scott, moving on from the bear season three, which is a fictional set in a-- what city are they in? I can't remember what city they're in in the bear. Chicago. Is it Chicago? Mm-hmm. Shightown. Scott, what do you have? I've got a documentary, funnily enough, on Sky Documentaries, which you can watch on SkyCue and also on streaming service now. It's called Striking with Pride, United at the Coldface. Now, I don't know whether you've seen the film Pride. It was out in 2014. I think it is one of the great British films, probably one of the best British films of the 21st century. It tells the story of the unlikely solidarity between a lesbian and gay rights group and activists and a coal mining community who are on strike, brilliant performances, incredibly touching. And criminally, that film did not win a bAFTA. I think it won a bAFTA for writing, but didn't win any of the big major, well, the main awards. This tells the true story about what actually happened, which is a great compliment to if you have actually seen the film. The film is often on the BBC, and I think it's fascinating because it transfers you just to a very different time, of course, to the minor strike, which were related to other shows that we've been reviewing over the course of the last few months, but also in the middle of the HIV crisis and at a time when the state were very much against the gay community. When you look at how, essentially, these activists started to fundraise money for Welsh strikers at the time, and this was a time in which you realised with them trying to raise funds, they were going on to the street and saying things such as, you know, essentially, hello, everybody I'm gay, which could have risked their own personal safety and they received a lot of homophobia back, but then they raised money to go and fought this community. They were then invited, just like in the film, to go to this Welsh town. And you have the strikers, who are the people who are well in strike, in this documentary talking about how this friendship was formed, and one of the strikers said that they kind of saw how the lesbian and gay people had been essentially disenfranchised and attacked by the state, and they sort of grew this partnership because they were realising what it was like to be in that same case with people from another situation, and then there's so many great anecdotes, one said that when the gays and lesbians turned up at this men's working club, there was absolute silence when they were invited, but then everyone started cheering. They then had, essentially, a big club night, and they then sort of created this friendship that still lasts to this day. It's a fascinating tale. The documentary is only about 90 minutes long, it's called "Striking with Pride, United Out the Cold Face" or "Sky Documentaries". Wow, I, that just, I love stories like that. Imagine when they found that story, and they just went, "What?" Yeah, I mean that's the case because I had not heard of the story before I watched the film in 2014, and I think it has such an impact on so many people. I cried many times, particularly during the last moment, I think it's incredibly difficult not to, but it's also, I think, just the way that it captures, it has captured the public imagination. But also just how similar for story in the film is actually quite similar to actually what happened. It doesn't seem to be, of course, but with films, there's creative license, but it doesn't really swerve that much away from what actually happened. We have lots of emails to get through. We do. People have written to us, and they're lovely these emails, Steven in Aruba. What does he have to say? Hello Musketeers. I'll take that. Yeah. I've recently discovered your must watch podcast and listened to it while swimming. I live in Aruba and love the upfront banter in particular, well, you've especially got it this week. I want to mention two shows, I was absolutely gutted to see cancelled and think it'll work for watch if you haven't seen them. The first is called Counterpoint, starring JK Simmons that originally aired on the stars network in North America. It was a complicated and brilliantly written, directed and performed show that had us riveted from the pilot. The second is Patriot on Amazon. I still can't believe this show wasn't any bigger. It took the spy intelligence genre and completely flipped it on its head. It was completely insane, completely quirky, and unlike anything I've seen on TV, there is so much television now, and I appreciate your insights and what to check out and look out for. You're all a must listen. Take care, Steven. You must even love that. Hailey, what does Adrian Tudor has to say? Doctor Adrian Tudor. It says, "Dear Nihal, Hailey, and Scott, and Mrs. Arthanika, what's that about?" My last recommendation for The Last Moss Watch follows on from a show recommended by Hailey last week based on a dog that had no role apart from To Look Adorable. Yes. This is a little footnote. It was for House of the Dragon, and it was a dog that just looked happy no matter what was happening in the scene. And then I saved her. I'm just a big fan. Hailey said nothing else positive about that episode of the show apart from the dog. Just so you know. Just a great dog. And it's a download, by the way. Yeah. Now, there is a very cute dog which follows one of the characters around in the Netflix French language series Call My Agent. His presence on screen provides an opportunity to keep repeating the dog's name, which is Jean Gabbat. Do you like my French? I guess I'm not trying to pronounce it. It's terrible. Yeah. Occasionally, the mention of Jean Gabbat might be thought of as clever for those with an interest in French cinema. The show is about a talent agency, although I think it's just a coincidence. Otherwise, he, the dog, just wags his tail and provides canine eye candy. Wow. The show would have been just as good without him, but it does give the viewer a repeated opportunity to say how cute he is. The show itself is very entertaining if you're interested in French cinema, and there are four series to enjoy. Even if you're not interested in French cinema, it's worth watching for that cute little dog. Oh. Good luck with everything from Dr Adrian Tudor in Preston. Love that. Tom is in Lancashire. I love this opening. Dear gods of TV. Oh, lovely. And now, huh. Oh, that's a bit rude. Yeah, great. Thank you for reading my previous email on the show, the one about the Swedish Netflix original Clark, the other day I started to rewatch the amazing panel show, slash game show. I'll get this, which ran for two series on BBC two. The show is about a mixture of a mix of lights, like, let me start again, the show is about a mix of five celebrities who are out from a meal together at a fancy restaurant. They all have to put their bank cards into a bowl. Then they have to play a selection of games, and the winner gets to retrieve their card. The last card in the bowl has to pay for everyone's food. The first series is now available in UK TV play, kind of a gods from Tom. Did you hear what UK TV are renaming their streaming service from next week? No, I didn't know. They're renaming it, you. No, no, people shouldn't be allowed to do this. Why are you? No, just you, the letter you. It's already bad. So there's now, which was now TV, there's Channel 4, which was all 4 and 4OD. Now UK TV is now called at you, so you can say you can now watch it on you, which makes no sense to any body, they have a streaming service, and then they're also renaming for channels, so Dave will become you and Dave, gold will become you and gold, and there's one called W, which will become even more confusingly, you and W. You and W? No. Why do they have to do this? Does it stand for anything, or is it just appealing to the narcissist? Like you and Dave. Yeah, there's probably somebody in branding who will come out with a long explanation. So it's Dave, W and what else? Well, all of the UK TV genre of channels that are available on free platforms. What a brilliant intellectual challenge to find a word that would have gone in front of all of those, and it would have made sense. He's one of the closest they've got. Okay, where were we with the emails? I think, Scott, you've got one from Bridget, haven't you? Yes. Dish, Shrek, Fiona, and Donkey. I mean, where do we even start? Bridget says self-distributes, but this might take up to ten minutes. Well, nothing new there, if I was... Let's do that offline. Shrek, Fiona, and Donkey. Otherwise, it'll just get nasty. Love the podcast. And following on with your suggestions, but I need more, I have a broken foot plus COVID. Oh, bless. So, have resorted to scraping the bottom of the barrel, searching for stuff to watch? Hailey's got a lot of suggestions if you want to go barrel scraping, because there's stuff she's loathed over the last five years. I mean, you've probably got to fold her somewhere, haven't you, Hailey? Oh, yeah. Let's not make it even more painful than it already is. Yeah, true. She says, "I've found an easy watch that relieved you stupefied, called The Never Meths on All 4," which is now a channel for, which, of course, is nothing to do with UK TV becoming you. The reality show, Hailey don't hate me. It's so bad it's good. Were people who have... That's not the name of it. Yeah. Were people who have had a long-distance relationship over maybe years meet up and the program follows through what happens next. Wow. Fascinating whether they find these people, it takes all sorts. Rain with hate it, it's a mighty face. Ray is mister in between. Oh. Thanks for your overview. Okay. Lastly, Andrea from Lithinsen Annes says, "Hey there, thereby getting around the whole issue. I recently had to have my naughty appendix out, not just for kids, apparently, and have been forced to spend a lot of time watching screens, not all bad then. I've stumbled across a right corker from way down south, called Tropo on Amazon Prime, with all the dark humour and fantastic characters that we have come to expect from an Aussie crime show, Think of Mister in Between." I haven't seen this one, so Andrea from Lithinsen Annes says, "Enjoy." I think we're starting to work out what Hailey's third pillar is. Yeah. Australian crime-related programs. Yeah. That's true. That's quite fair. Oh, yeah, of course, women, any true crime would be the detective. All detectives. Crime. Not even true crime. No. And true crime. Just bleak crimes. Just bleak crimes. The third put on water. Wow. Water definition. OK, let's get on to some reviews, shall we? Scott, what are we reviewing first? It is Douglas is cancelled, which is a new four-part series created and written by Stephen Moffatt with episodes airing on Thursday for 27th June at 9pm on ITV1 and ITVX. With a cast very much from the Stephen Moffatt television universe, there's Cameron Gillan, Alex Kingston, of course, from Doctor Who, alongside Hugh Bondville and Nick Mohammed. The fictional four-parter tells the story of a TV duo who are much lops on a prime-time ITV program new show, but then Hugh's character Douglas is then accused on Twitter of making a sexist joke at a wedding. Here's a clip. There's been a tweet. What tweet? Overheard, presenter Douglas Bello is making an extremely sexist joke at a wedding. Dad, what was the joke at the wedding? I don't remember. It was probably just one of your usual ones, yeah? My usual ones. Your usual misogynist ones. It was sexist, not misogynist. This isn't news. It's going to be news, it's you. She plays you. Madeline's not like that. Is she? It's gonna be a clear. A tweet. Mm-hmm. Hailey, is this a must watch? Not really, but it does end well. I've seen all four parts, and I think the issue with this whole show is it seems to be a Stephen Moffatt rant at the youth. There are Zoomers and millennials who say things like, "Don't shout at me, I already have anxiety today," and they overuse the word "microaggression," and they say things like, "Okay, boomer," and "Thanks for mansplaining that, Dad." And it's just like Moffatt is rolling his eyes at the youth for hours in a way that isn't very funny because it's so obvious, but he thinks it's funny. And it also has that Moffatt thing of everyone is angry and shouting even when there's not much to be shouted at. He's done this in shows before, so it's now at the point where I can tell if I'm watching a show by Stephen Moffatt, even without seeing the credits first. So you end up getting a bit wound up watching the thing and just wishing everyone would calm down. That said, it does get so much better at the end, and it actually makes a good and solid point rather than a forced joke, and I think Karen Gillan is brilliant at a role that has loads of different layers to it, and it's far more layered than you think it's going to be in the first episode. You just have to wade through a load of annoying stuff to get there. So, there's that. Oh, okay. So it's a must watch if you're patient, so it has going to be the most summarising it that way. Well, allow that. Scott, Douglas is cancelled. Is it a must watch? It's not a must watch for me either. Wow. However, there are some good points in it. I agree with Hailey. I think it is a bit flawed. I mean, I see this show as a mixture between W1A and the Morning Show, and the press team at ITV were very keen that anyone reviewing it watches all four parts, and you think with the first two episodes, it's going in a certain trajectory, and then on the third, and especially the fourth episode, it gets turned completely on its head, and I think it is more compelling. Stephen Moffat originally intended this to be a play, and I think that is kind of why it is as a flaw as a TV show, because normally I find if you go to see a play, you have to, unless you think it's really bad, you are there for the full play, there's the interval in the middle. In the first half, particularly in the first episode, not really that much happens. Essentially, there is a tweet, we don't know what the tweet is about. Cam and Gillan's character retweets the accusation with a vague sort of quote tweet. Of course, if you're not using social media, this will come out as if I'm speaking in Latin, but essentially, she amplifies the accusation massively with a statement that then can be read in different ways. You're trying to work out, okay, what is Karen's true intention? And I was surprised at how slow the plot got. And when we got to episode three and episode four, it then I think becomes much more compelling, but I'm worried, I am worried that people might not really make it that far if they don't find the first two episodes that compelling. I think some of the ideas that I'm in this show work and some of the ideas in this show are also great. I mean, Stephen Moffat at a press screening last week was talking about how with council culture it's much more complex, but people are very quick to judge on Twitter. There's an obvious point to make, but that is very much reflected in this drama. But then there are other points, like Haley said, where it does feel that young people, who of course, I think, are very aware about the issues that are facing the world and think gender relationally different than the generation before them, they are seen to be a bit of the punchline. There were two people, I think, under the age of 30 here, and they're just seen to be reacting overly to everything, and that's so silly and how can they. I don't know whether that was intentional or unintentional, but I just find that quite great, because I think that young people need to be given more credit. I think Ham and Gillin is compelling in this. She's wanted to do this for years. She is, I mean, along with Alex Kingston, the heart of this program, and she does say fantastic performance, particularly in the third and the fourth episode. I just think it's just a little bit uneven. It feels like there's quite a lot of ideas. Some work, some don't really work. It's bold for ITV to be doing this. I don't regret watching it. There are some things I did like in it, but it doesn't meet that threshold as being a must-watch for me. Okay. Off to a non-flying start, with Douglas is cancelled, starts on the 27th of June at 9pm on ITV1, with all episodes available to view on ITVX. Now, what are we reviewing next, Haley? It is Outrageous Homes with Lawrence Llewell and Bowen, which is basically everything it says on the tin. He takes us on a tour of unusual and unconventional homes, which vary from enormously expensive subterranean palaces to pretty basic flats and houses that someone's decorated very oddly. Here's a clip. It's extraordinary having a swimming pool at the absolute heart of the house, but also these palm trees are required. They're actual real palm trees, they've stripped the bark off them and they've preserved them. Then they dipped the prongs into embalming fluid with green dye in it and they stay green. How incredibly complicated? Why not just get a kind of plastic palm tree? I don't think it would look the same though, would it? Crazy attention to do, sir. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Okay, Scott, is this a must-watch Outrageous Homes with Lawrence Llewell and Bowen? Surprisingly not. Oh, wow. Just recently not. Wow. I really wanted this to be. What? Because it's a lot to learn Bowen. I mean, that is in itself a reason for a must-watch. Also a show which I think is perennially fascinating, looking at very bizarre homes and hoping and praying that these are not renters who have done it without their landlord knowing. Oh, I'm looking at that picture of the house that they just described in that bit there. Oh, yeah. The one with the palm tree that was embalmed and then built indoors and then Lawrence said, "That's right." "You've just got a plastic palm tree." The earliest buildings. Wow, that is one of the ugliest interiors. It used to belong to Felix Dennis, the publisher. Oh, did it? It did. Things like The Week. Yeah, no, I know. Mate, I used to work for him. Oh, wow. Okay. And then you go to a bedroom and as you sleep, it's a pirate-themed bedroom where a giant six-foot plastic pirate stares at you from above whilst you sleep. He basically just loved Treasure Island and wanted to make any. Is that really what it was? Yeah. There's also a house where literally everything looks like it's from the 1970s, including a incredible ray of disco balls above a bathtub. A ground bathtub? Yes, very much. Yes. And of course, I think the show fulfills its purpose. Most of it consists of you sat there going, "Oh my God, and how do they sleep?" But the reason it feels like there's lacking something, something for me that I find a little bit baffling, although maybe this does not matter in this day and age, is the scheduling. The show goes off out at 10 o'clock at night on, I think, a Thursday. And I'm sort of thinking, "This feels, this show feels, and this is not in any way a criticism, but it feels like a daytime show. This feels like something that could fulfill for Channel 4 daytime because it is quite daytime because daytime shows are the place where you have all of the bidding houses or people making incredibly snarky remarks and saying that B&B and getting served, you know, a room to, you know. I was watching one episode of "Four in a Bed" and somebody was complaining literally about where the house is positioned and which, like, way that they were facing the garden and they were moaning about how the sun comes in through the room. And I was like, "So you're having a go at the position of the house in regards to the sun and then they deduct to the fiver." Anyway, so this show feels very daytimey, but it's yet again in a very kind of odd slot. I think it's interesting to see these people's houses, but there weren't that many moments that I was like, "Wow, this is a, you know, amissable, sensational, amazing." I think a lot of the houses looked nice or interesting, but it wasn't like, "Blow out, this is going to really pique my interest." Well, it's got to be outrageous. Exactly. Exactly. And it's like, "Oh, okay, that's a bit odd." There were many moments where Lance Loebo and his wearing sunglasses indoors. Oh, no. Just leaning into Lance Loebo and, um, absolute treat. Absolute treat. This is not criticism of him. I adore him. I think he's brilliant. There's a meme of him absolutely terrifying a couple when they rebooted changing rooms. He decides to open a living room door incredibly violently without them realizing and they literally jump and they jump so much. The Canva operator also jumps and the Canva wobbles, but unfortunately, with a heavy heart, this is not a must watch for me. Oh. Hmm. Okay. What do you think of outrageous homes with Lawrence, Llewell and Bowen, a must watch? Uh, yes. Oh. Actually, it would be dishonest of me to say this isn't a must watch because while I was watching it, I messaged a friend of mine and said she had to watch it because it had Lawrence, Llewell and Bowen swimming in a fish tank like a mermaid while wearing a purple suit. So if that sounds like something you want to see, then you should watch outrageous homes and for the avoidance of doubt, that is something I would like to see. I don't, I'm sorry. I hate it. I don't understand how Scott of all people. I know. Did not find the glory enjoying that. I know. You also get to see him making snow angels on someone's 1970s shag carpet. So he is going full LLB and I'm a big fan of Lawrence, Llewell and Bowen. I thought this show was fun and also I liked that it wasn't making fun of these people in their mad houses. It was just, it was celebrating whatever thing they were doing. And it's just people making themselves happy and whether they're neurodivergent or in the case of one couple, they were just trying to make a very kind of exaggerated, homey, twee kind of house for Ukrainian refugees. So they didn't feel like they were staying in a hotel. Obviously, you can't help doing the millennial thing of wondering how much everyone's mortgage is. But that's a me problem rather than a show problem. I had fun with this one. Okay. Wow. Okay. A must watch for Haley, not a must watch for Scott. Even after, Haley pointed out a prime Scott Bryan type scene. I know. I'm starting to worry that since I've turned 35, something's gone terribly long. Have you become a mid 30s curmudgeon? It's the question. It's a good show to watch as well if you're really bored of the fact that everyone's painting their houses gray now. Yeah. This is the opposite of that. Okay. Now, our final review, Haley, wow. Okay. It's a big one. It is a big one. It's almost as flamboyant as Lawrence Loyland Bowen, is it not? It is a documentary directed by the Academy Award nominee Irene Taylor called "I Am Celine Dion" and it gives a raw and honest behind the scenes look at the iconic superstars struggle with a life-altering illness. Here's a clip. I think we did create our own magic. It's not hard to do a show, you know. It's hard to cancel a show. I'm working hard every day, but I have to admit it's been a struggle unless it's so much to people. I miss that. If I can't walk, if I can't walk, I can't walk, I'll call. Is this a must watch, Scott? It is for me. I mean, firstly, Celine Dion does not need any introduction. She's sold more than 250 million records, released 37 albums, she's won Grammys and Oscars. She was due to have a concert residency in Las Vegas in 2021, but then she had to cancel it at the last minute and then it created worldwide headlines when it turned out and this is what the documentary goes into. She then said that she had an autoimmune neurological disorder called stiff person syndrome and it causes muscle stiffness. It also causes a great deal of pain. It's also incredibly rare. I think it affects one or two in a million people. What this documentary does, it really takes you in from the moment, not long after she finds out that she has this condition, but also when she created headlines when she released this worldwide on social media, saying that she was experiencing this. What you are having is an incredibly open and intimate, and at times very raw, documentary. She's always been. This is the thing about Celine Dion that I've learned from watching this documentary too. She's always been open about her life. She's a remarkably open book. She talks about how because of the condition, she has difficulty with trying to expand her lungs. You see footage and she's the most incredible singer. I mean, of course, absolutely able to project her voice massively and hit really high notes, but just because of this condition, she's not able to have the full use of her lungs. You can tell just the fact that she says that she finds so much power and meaning in music and she's not able to go and perform. She also had, you heard in that clip there, she says, "It is not hard to do a show." She's very frank about that, but she says, "It is hard to cancel a show." It's the fact that this documentary, I think it is primarily for Celine Dion fans, but I think it is going to attract a wider general audience too. I think she's very open about what she's going through. I think she's incredibly frank. I mean, just the bravery to be doing this is something that that comes through. It looks at her astonishing career and you learn about the secrets for her success. She says that performers perform better when you love yourself and she believes that she really loves herself. It looks at how she has 13 brothers and sisters, which is an astonishingly large family. Also, I love music documentaries in the small part. She has the most immaculate sock draw of anyone I've ever seen in one moment when she goes through her socks. It's like an intimate documentary, but it doesn't feel exploitative. You're seeing, I think, what Celine wants to show of herself and also her desire and commitment to come back to music. It's not an easy watch, but I found it powerful. Hayley, is this a must watch for you? I am Celine Dion. Not for me, because this is specifically made for her fans, I think. I think it definitely is a must watch if you're a fan of Celine Dion. It's not one of those documentaries that goes right back to birth and through school. It's focusing on where her head is at right now, and it's also an apology and an explanation to her fans about what's been happening because she's had to cancel shows and they've also lied about the reasons. She said whether it was an ear infection or a sinus infection or whatever lie happened to be on that night, on the various nights her shows were canceled, and it was all because she couldn't sing, and it's this illness she's been struggling with for 17 years, and I think I'd never heard of this kind of illness before, and it really shows the toll of physical and mental exertion on her body. We actually see her having a fit. We see her body spasming, and it is not a fun watch, but it's the most open explanation by an artist that I've ever seen, and you really get the sense that she wants to sing for her fans, but she can't, and it's incredibly candid and sad, and it's about someone losing the thing that made them who they were, and in this case it's her voice. I think it's hugely courageous to make it, and it is a rare and personal thing to be invited in to see all this stuff, so yeah, if you are a fan of Celine Dion, she basically made this for you, so it is a must watch for you, and if you're an Australian, you might also appreciate the drive-by praise for John Farnham, that came out of nowhere. It was about five minutes on John Farnham. Okay, well, okay, if you're not a fan of Celine Dion though, it's quite revealing to have such access to a star of that, you know, that size. It is, for me it's not a must watch, because it could have been shorter, there was so much stuff in here we didn't need, there were a lot of, it's like an hour and 40 minutes. The John Farnham bit, I think, could have gone, we didn't really need that. There's a lot of held shots on like the opening of a gate as a car drives through it, there's just lots of... What about when she goes online, is there shots of her? Her typing, you know, because I know you hate those shots. I know, but it does feel like you're just in the room with her, so if you want to be in the room with her, watch it. That's quite, I mean, the problem with any of these documentaries often is that they end up being a hagiography, right, so it's just a kind of like, it's essentially an extended press release. Yeah. Do you feel that way with this? I mean, I think, that is always, I think, the flaw of these documentaries, because they are always a bit of a hagiography, like you know, for David Beckham one, which was an absolute sensation, but not mentioning Qatar, for example, but yet that had, that was still compelling, because you see it as kind of like, okay, you're not going to get absolutely everything, it's not going to be the full journalism, perhaps, of an outsider, because she's clearly been involved in each part of it. But yet, I found that the fact that she's just been so open about the truth, and just so, so frank about talking about her experiences, I found that to be compelling, so therefore I am giving it a mass watch. Also, I think that the bad stuff happens in this kind of documentary, when you have a lot of talking heads of people just saying how amazing somebody is, whereas this doesn't happen. You see on sitting there with no makeup on, just talking about how her life is now, and it's hard. Okay. Now, a lot of people are asking, this is my last week on Five Live, doing day times, so they're asking, well, what's happening with mass watch? In fact, after the comment, good, thank goodness you're going, the second comment that was made was, what's happening to mass watch? And I guess the truth of it, and you can speak for yourselves there. We just don't know, do we? No. We just don't know. So, we're off for two weeks, and then we're on into the summer, I think we've got Geffen Jones for those weeks, and then beyond that, we don't really know. Much love to you both. Much love, thank you. You too. I very much hope this won't be the last time the three of us, well, I just waste time for 10 minutes, and then for about 45 minutes after that, you two get to the proper journey. The sweaty panic when we realise that we get to fall, where we haven't even started, where we have. I think that's been the, that's been the honor to joy throughout this is just the, the realisation, we've got 25 minutes, and so much to fill in, like you would not believe. And yet, somehow we still do it every single time, and it's a whole ship of great people who help us this together. Indeed, indeed. A ship. A ship. Oh, you're back to Celine doing that. Well done. Well done, Scott. I thought we got away from that kind of slightly weird dark bit, and then you brought it back to ships. Nice one. All right. Much love to you both. Much love. Thank you. Scott Bryant, Haley Campbell. Must watch. Must watch from Five Live. And now it is the podcast part of the podcast, as we were mentioning, just on the live bit of radio there, we are going to be off for three weeks, because next week in the week after, it's Wimbledon, and Haley and I will be back after that. In the meantime, we've still got some more recommendations of shows that you can be watching in the interim in this lovely, normally quite quiet part of TV. So it's never a struggle. We just want to find these shows. But this part of the TV format, anyway, Haley, what is your second download pick? Mine is a show that I have mentioned before, but not for a couple of years in my defence. It's called The Terror, and I'm bringing it up again, because I've seen that it's been recently added to ITVX, and lots of people are discovering it for the first time and talking about it on Twitter, and they're all stunned. I've been raving about this show since it first came out. And it's also, because it takes place out on the sea, the ICC, it's also quite a lovely icy break, if you're a bit hot and you need a visual break from the heat. So the plot is in the mid-1800s, there were two British ships that went on this huge voyage to the Arctic to try and force the Northwest Passage, and it was doomed, and the crews didn't return, and no one knows exactly what happened. It all remains a mystery. So in 2007, the writer Dan Simmons made a fictionalised account of what happened to the men on these real ships, the HMS Erebus and the HMS Terror, and it is very atmospheric and cinematic and unnerving. And it's all about what can happen when a group of men are desperate to survive in a place that doesn't really want them to. And to me, it was like a horror movie in 10 parts. There's this supernatural thing, it's kind of an undercurrent, but a bit like a monster movie thing, but it's not really the point of it, and it's not reliant on that. It's just the fact that these guys are stranded on these ships with each other, and there's a lot of distrust and the madness that isolation brings, and it's the kind of madness that we saw in John Carpenter's The Thing, which is a movie I love, and also the cast is incredible. It's ridiculous, Kieran Heinz from There Will Be Blood, and also Kin, Jared Harris from Chernobyl. It really feels like the kind of cast you'd see in a theatre, rather than one on a screen. It's so good, so good. So I will never shut up about the terror, and I'm glad that people are giving me another reason to talk about it, so it's the terror on ITVX. What have you got, Scott? I've got a documentary, it's called The True Versus Alex Jones, it's on Sky Documentary, so that's two shows for this week from that channel. It's about the conspiracy theories, Alex Jones, you might know him. This talks about how he became firstly on public access TV in Austin, he gained popularity prior to the internet because he didn't know what he was going to say, there were monologues where he was just to yell at the screen, he then started to become a conspiracy theorist firstly in regards to fluoride in water claiming that there was a sinister motive behind that. Then when 9/11 happened, his listenership and then TV audience grew massively when he claimed that it was an inside job. Then soldered to sell products relating to the conspiracy theories that he would then be doing. It then resulted when we had the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, which was a mass shooting that occurred in 2012, resulting in the death of 125 people. He claimed pretty much immediately that it was a false flag incident, claimed that it was all staged for tighter gun control, he then had people who'd guess on his show that claimed that nobody had died and that the parents were lying, which of course, if you've lost a child, it then resulted in them receiving tons of abuse on the internet and their lives got worse and worse. So this kind of documentary, which is difficult to watch, obviously, because of a subject matter, looks at the case that then followed. You may have seen it in the news in October 2022, Jones' defamatory falsehoods about the shooting in Connecticut at Sandy Hook, resulted in $1.487 billion of damages being claimed. This documentary speaks to the parents who took him to court. It's thought-provoking, I think primarily because you see how conspiracy theories work and operate, and the fact that it's a bit like whack-a-mole, the moment that you hit it down, it's spawned so many others because, of course, it would lead to some to think, well, that's just what they want you to think, and so forth. But this is a devastating, I think, compelling case of how the impact of conspiracy theories can absolutely rip apart people's lives and really make things even worse at an already difficult time for them. This documentary handles it well, I think, and they don't sensationalise it. I think they go through the facts of the case. I think it makes you question, I think, just how defamation and law work in the U.S. and how the American principle of free speech somehow allows a lot of this, and such claims like this to allow to be happening, but also the dark side of the internet in terms of how such lies are able to proliferate and then spread, so incredibly thought-provoking, although understandably very difficult to watch. That's the truth versus Alex Jones, and that's on Sky Documentaries. Thanks very much for your emails and recommendations for this week, as always. I've survived this with a heavy bout of hay fever, and could you tell? I've been quite nasally today. I've been coughing everywhere, and, you know, as I say, I am hot in the cupboard and I have an ice pack at my top. Yeah, I think that was the greatest gift I got for myself was the amount of sneezing I was doing, was fading the mic down at every given opportunity, and, hey, he doesn't always get the chance to do so. 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