Under The Lid - Inside Pro Cricket Podcast

The Flower Of Scotland - Under The Lid With Kathryn Bryce

Join Jack Brooks and Katherine Sciver-Brunt for Under The Lid - Inside Pro Cricket Podcast - with special guest, Scotland and The Blaze star Kathryn Bryce.

Kathryn talks about growing up playing cricket with her sister Sarah, winning the Charlotte Edwards Cup, qualifying for the Women's T20 World Cup and the big question - would she consider playing for England?

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Duration:: 57m
Broadcast on:: 27 Jun 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

(upbeat music) - My child's been bald by a girl, a lot of this is horrendous. - At least I won't get pinned down and tied to a lamppost. - She is about to, she's different from the rest. - The sugar starts to ease to compare that beating. - Easy came in the cut through the line. (upbeat music) - Hello and welcome to Under The Lid, The Pro Cricket Show with me, Jack Brooks. - And me, Catherine Sivebrandt. - Hi, Bronte. As always, this podcast is brought to you in partnership with the PCA and the Cricketer. And we've made it to, I think, episode 13, isn't it? - Am I looking number 13? I've been going, I'm still going strong and we're halfway. - Where are your favorite episodes? Have you got any favorite moments in the last 12, 12 episodes? - There's been many, isn't there? I am getting older, so I'm a little bit seen out now, but ones that stand out are the black book from Cookie, Sam Cooke. That was a bell to us, isn't it? - Big time. - Yeah, I really enjoyed listening to that. And then actually, he's partnering crime, Jamie. Both really, really lovely lads, aren't they? Just, I can see how they work well together and are so successful. - Is that any same model as basically? (laughs) - I can't remember anyone else. (laughs) No, Pepsi, that's it. I was gonna call him TK, Pepsi's better, isn't it? Just as a few stories, there's a lot about him that I didn't even realize how just cricket on, on, on, on, and loves it, probably the only person in the entire cricket in world that just wants to be playing cricket 365 days a year and doesn't drink. - And he doesn't drink, yeah, no, he's an anomaly, I think, let's put it that way, a bit of a nickname. - Any favorites from you? - Well, they've all the guests have been great. I really enjoyed Glenny last week, so I know it's fresh in the memory, but I thought she was really honest and open and fascinating, really, what the in depth that she went into with, whether it be the femininity or whether it be the concussion and obviously the surgery she had, and just general openness around the game and herself, it was great. And then probably Rookie's pet pig. (laughs) - What do we know about our guest? - Well, what we know is that, following on from the Charles Edwards finals day, we thought best that we were to just get the star of the show on, might, why not? 'Cause that's what we do here. So we've picked out the MVP of that game and of the whole T20 comp. And we've got Catherine Bryce coming on the podcast, so I'm extremely happy about it. - Now, she's been red hot and I'm in the, was it the Charles Edwards all summer, isn't she? They won the trophy Saturday. She got the top score in the semi. She got the top score and probably player of the match in the final, didn't she? - Yeah. - And she's won the MVP at a counter as well. So crucial rounds, vital wickets. She also Scottish International, I'm interested to hear about the international career. And she qualified for their first ever T20 World Cup back in spring. So another genuine all-rounder to add to her, you and I already. So let's get her out, shall we? Shall we get under the laden, Catherine Bryce? - Yes. (upbeat music) - Is she? - How are you? - Great, how are you? - Good, really enjoying the sunshine, finally. - It's been really miserable back, so. - Three scorching days. And all three of us are doing all right. - I can't see any terrible sunburns, they're well done, guys, since Mark. - Yeah, a little bit of bronze, don't you reckon? I'm interested though, if Catherine is still, or was she having over from Saturday's victory, still or she's fully pressed, no? - Just about recovered now, yes, it was a bit of a long day. And yeah, it was the lack of sleep as well, 'cause it actually, it was a late, it was a very long day, 'cause our first, we played the first semi-final at 11 a.m. And they didn't finish the final till about 10, so didn't get back to the hotel till about half 11, so it was a very long day, big shift, that one. - And two in one day, it's just a bit feral, isn't it? It should be banned, just like 50 of it should be banned, really, it should just be forward. - I know, I think it's all up to the city or cricket again. - Let's campaign. So I mean, I live with somebody who just likes to score runs in semis and finals. And you did it for Blaze. How good does that feel? 'Cause I remember with Nat, like, it's such a bloody heart, I mean, I've been in plenty myself, it's the hardest thing ever to do, like the most precious on. Most of the time when you find yourself coming in at that like three, four, five, it's ships generally hit the fan. So it's really hard to just like focus and save the day, but still be aggressive, like in women's cricket, you generally just sort of drop the anchor and cruise through that bit and just gets 20 overs, but actually staying aggressive and still going at a rate is pretty hard. How hard did you find that over the two games? - Two games, yeah. - In one day. - Yeah, I'm really happy with kind of how it went, 'cause I guess obviously been a good tournament leading up to that. So I guess, like we said, in like the team meetings before it, it almost becomes irrelevant what you've done before that it's now like finals day and anyone's day. So yeah, to be able to turn up and do it on in both of those games was brilliant. So yeah, like you said, we're unlucky in that final, like going in, Tommy had just got run out at the middle of the time, like Marie's hit one of the best shots of the day, nailed it straight back down the ground, little tap onto the stumps. And that was our first in the final. So then you kind of going in thinking, like, surely, this is not how it's going to go. And I think the power play had been pretty key for the rest of the day. It'd been pretty high scores in the power play. So maybe we kind of really had to take advantage of that as well. So yeah, just forget about the meaning in a way and just get done and do the job. - Yeah, it's pretty hard to think of it just another game when like there's four teams there and you know, there's generally plenty of people there as well. And it's, you can't really ignore the occasion. Slide deafening. It's only like, obviously, for Tommy, that's a pretty low light. That's happened to me twice by Susie Bates. Thank you very much. But was there any highlights? - Yeah, I think, by batting with Sarah through a lot of that period and was, we managed to get a good, good over in the power play that went for about 19. So I think once we got that, the rate was down just over sixes for most of it. And so that was a pretty, we could kind of take it in and enjoy that. But yeah, one of the biggest highlights was there was a bit of a break in play. I can't remember what happened, but some man was sat at the back of the stands and started singing player with Scotland. ♪ The flower in the sky ♪ - What a choose. - So that was absolutely brilliant. It just went there, I stood out there listening to the flower of Scotland being sung over the setting sun in Darwin. - I wish that could have been me. It might have been me had I been there. - It might have been me. - I do like to sing that when the six nations comes on. Go for it. I have got some Scottish in me. I'll have you now. - Just for our listeners, sorry, Catherine, Sarah, is your sister? - She is, yes. - Yeah. - Talk to us about that dynamic and how awesome it is to be playing professional cricket with her and the younger, older dynamic and how it was growing up. - Yeah, pretty special. I think it's one of those things that we've played together for so long. We played each other all the way through school and it was actually quite strange that we hadn't really played against each other the first time we played like one county game against each other. And then the second time we were supposed to play against each other was during the 100. So that was almost more strange. And I think you kind of forget how lucky you are to be able to share those moments together and take it in. Actually be able to mum and dad are both there, watch a new play and perform and probably add double the stress. But yeah, when you actually kind of step back and stop and realise that you're doing it with your sister, I think it makes it even more special. But yeah, there was a lot of times in the back garden being various different people and targeting it. I think it was mainly walked back home from school, being to grannies and played a lot of cricket there. - Grannies? - Grannies garden. - She had a big garden. - Not bigger. It just worked with, well, this was, someone asked, they were like, was the off side because we both like hit through the off side and like carve it through point and they were like, was the off side closer because you both just like get out of the way of it and like go that way. And I was like, oh yeah, thinking of it, it was like, you didn't after it very far to like get a six over cover. So yeah, just like a little step back in there. I was like, no point going straight or to like, to long on because that's the longest part to just get out of the way and carve it off to the off side. So yeah, that's kind of where the main battles that we had went. And I think that the sugar snap peas took a bit of a beating, but yeah, this is worth it. - How good did she had sugar snap peas in her garden? What legend? - Yeah. But I can't like that in obviously with somebody else, partnerships generally work because you build this relationship and the better it gets. Like for England, sometimes it's a bit chaotic because they do swap that top five a bit and they have done the last two years. And but there's there's just certain people that come in and just work well together. Like obviously of experience obviously adds to that but you too must know each other on inside out. Do you reckon that really helps that buying partnership? 'Cause that was so much when in partnership you had it every day. So like you must just feel relaxed at the crease together and know how each other works. - Yeah, I think so. I think when she comes out, you know, like you back each other's strengths and kind of have that camp presence a bit more both fairly camp people as well. So you can kind of feed off that side of it as well. But I think the running between the wickets as well is massive, like you know that you come back to here in this space and she's gonna be able to get up and down and you almost don't even need, there's a couple that you hit into gaps and like you don't even say, yes, 'cause you just know that it is like. - You just go like this. - Yeah, you just like stick. - Yeah. - Down the other end. But yeah, I think definitely having back with each other a lot must help. I think in that way that connection and understanding each other's game. So if you're getting a bit stuck, just kind of knowing what to say to get the best out of them and to get the best out of each other's games, definitely. - Who's the, sorry, who's the elder sister and who's the more dominant voice? - I'm the older sister. Bit mixed, I'd say, though. - It never seems like your older always seems like right. He's older. - Yeah. - She's definitely very wise, wise head is on those younger shoulders, that's for sure. - She's obviously capturing a lot at Scotland and having her behind the stumps. It's, I think there's quite a few times that she just looks at me, she's like. (laughing) - Fuck you, daycare for instance. - Yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, like, just run by what I think and she's like, nah, do this, or do that, or yeah. - She's probably, she's probably like worked out every angle with the head in brain protractor. And she just knows you've got her all. - Yeah. - She's so clever and switched on. - Yeah, she's really nice. So, she's very switched on. - Yeah, and calm and smiley. She just seems so lovely. You're like, it's like introvert, extrovert, isn't it? She's a bit more extrovert now, though, these days, isn't she? - Yeah, she's gradually getting out, get out of her shell and, yeah, enjoying it, using her voice more definitely. - Did she uni? Obviously she's a uni, but not, did she? Oh, right. - Yeah, but she didn't know. Not ever knows this. - Any news, any Wednesday nights? - Yeah. Yeah, she doesn't know you. She doesn't drink either, so it's kind of, it's really handy, but she still have a good time. So, I remember there was one night out that we had in town, and I was absolutely bucking down with rain. So, she drove us to the union, went out. That's still 2 a.m., and then she gave me a lift home, so it was perfect. - The female, Tom Coley-Cabmore. - What, on earth, that's like, you owe her so much, right now? That's horrific, I can't imagine anything worse. I'd have to be smashed. (laughing) - You realize, and then took 'til you're out sober, how much you get absolutely bashed around, and you're like, "Oh, isn't it?" - No, no, I woke up the next morning, so I knew bruises. - I'm not drinking at the minute, and I've got Danny Wyatt's hand due to come, and I'm just really dreading it. - Responsible bathroom breath, that's one of it. At least I won't get pinned down and tied to a lamp post or anything, because, you know, I'll be, I'll have all my strength. - Control, you'll be pending that time. (laughing) - Someone's gonna get it. Have you ever played against each other? 'Cause I made it so that I never had to play against now. It happened a little bit, and then I was like, right, this can never happen again. I can't do it, so I made her play for Yorkshire. (laughing) - Well, and then Apple, we played in Perth together, played Melbourne Stars together. Like, I just couldn't do it. I was like, I can't do it. It's awful. What about you? - Yeah, no, it's really strange. We've only played against each other a couple of times, so there's also been, we've played once, kind of cricket before, and then the three years of the 100, two of those years, the games have been rained off. So we've absolutely played against each other once, and yet, I guess, I don't know if it's the same with you. I feel like you get more frustrated at that probably than how we feel playing against each other. (laughing) - She makes me, the problem is, she makes me bowl (beep) 'cause I'm like, so she'd get off strike, I'd bowl the other person, I'd bowl really good bowl, really good bowl, really good bowl. She'd get back on strike, be like, half fully, or something short, and I'd be like, what, why? (laughing) - She just messes with me. - Yeah, 'cause it's just really weird 'cause it's like, you still want her to do well, but then it's like, well, you want your team to win, and it's like a weird mix. - I think I've boiled, I do, I don't worry about boiling her bounces, though. I've boiled her a fair few of them. - I used to just tell her indoors, 'cause it was quite dangerous. (laughing) - Love Christmas. - Cracking? - I'm not going to help, yeah, some of those pictures. - In Scotland, so you obviously grown up together, we're talking a lot about Sazia, but you know, let's just remember, it's all about you. - Yeah, wonderful. - How many, like, obviously didn't grow up in Scotland, and cricket Scotland just doesn't seem like they've ever massively tried to get behind it, create a massive, like, foundation for young women and girls to come through. So, what was it like, opportunity-wise, growing up in Scotland, did, was it like nothing, and you just played lads and boys, men, and then, obviously, make your way over to Loughborough Union, stuff like that, or was there loads, and there was a clear pathway? - Yeah, we were pretty lucky, to be fair, there wasn't really a huge amount, especially, like, when we were growing up, and when we first started playing cricket, or when we first got into it, there was actually a girls' team at the school that we were at. So, one of the old teachers, some of that used to work at the school, and I'd moved on with MSP, but she'd carried on doing girls cricket at the school. So, we went along to that, and had training, however often, and she would organise, like, everything she'd organise, all trainings and all the fixtures, but all fixtures we played were against, like, universities that were around and about. So, we'd play, like, Edinburgh Unis and Andrews Uni, and then, she'd organise, like, a tour in the summer, so we'd go down south to England and play, like, different schools down there, as well. So, that was actually some, like, women's cricket that we, or, like, female cricket that we got to play, but at the time, there was no, like, junior league for women, or, like, proper women's, like, club league or anything like that that we played in. So, the rest of what we did then was, yeah, with the boys through, through, like, club cricket with the boys, and then we played cricket at school with the boys, as well, all the way through. So, yeah, I guess we were lucky that we had that girls cricket and as that sort of pathway to start with, but it was very, kind of, unique to where we were. - Did you like the lad's stuff, or did one of you like it more than the other? I bet it was really good having each other doing that. - Yeah, doing that on me, I mean, right. - I don't mind it, like, I, and it was pretty normal, 'cause I got into it fairly young, that I think, like, the boys that we played with were really, they were just like, oh, well, she's good enough to play in the team, and, like, she's gonna help us win, so, like, we don't care. There is a lad played with them all the way through school and all the club stuff was with the same kind of group of lads that were great. So, it didn't really seem unnormal until, like, when you're playing against different schools, and I don't really hear anything, but dad would be walking around the boundary, and then some of the other parents would be like, who's that girl playing? Any other team, and dad's just like, oh, yeah, just, they get, like, cleaned up. - That's my fucking awesome daughter. - Yeah. - Yeah, he just smiled a little bit. They're like, oh, my child's just been bald by a girl, a lot of this horrendous, and dad's just like that. - Generally, you can hear that bit. There's a lot of great kids, and Seth bombs, and screaming. - Yeah. - It's just a good part, actually. I had a similar experience. I didn't ever have a problem with the boys. I thought the boys were, it's the parents, not the boys. The lads were welcoming, and as soon as they, it would be a bit like grumbly when I first appeared. But then as soon as I showed that I could bow and hold myself, and I wasn't scared of the bow, and they just had this instant respect, so they were like, oh, she's actually decent. She can be our team, and that was it. Straightaway, accepting, and they just want to make sure that you're good enough, and you don't really care like if you're, and you're going to have to play there, like, yeah, cool. And also, they're not fucking holding back. They'll try and take my head off, and also, they'll try and hit me into the next town, I find. It made me, how did I not had that experience having, like, I sometimes felt under pressure more, playing boys, like second, 13 second teams, sometimes first team in Yorkshire was harder than playing international women's cricket. No joke, like, when I first started playing, like, it didn't feel as intense as that. Yeah. It was just sort of, like, all nice cover drive. We weren't very aggressive then. We were the men. Yeah, I was just like absolutely named like you. Yeah. I've got, like, a South African overseas charging me. So I got this ball that's too big, I can't even hold it. Oh, good times. Yeah, you're back in the day. I reckon, sorry, just sorry to interrupt it. I was enjoying listening to that. But when I grew up playing boys cricket in the 90s, late 90s, that's how old I am. But we always had two or three girls in my age group started going up, and it was just the norm. But two of them were, in particular, were two of our best players. I said it was quite intimidating, probably playing teams each week when they knew I was going to play, but actually they're better than us. I always quite enjoyed it because you'll see teams worrying or parents like, what's going on here? But then two aggressive girls who were rattling the team out was great to watch. But since I've been working in the women's game for the last couple of winces as well, you sort of can pick up and almost tell which girls. I've sort of played a lot of men's cricket growing up. They'd almost had a different approach and intelligence around the game, if that makes sense. So I've always wanted, I actually have never ever spoken to you about it, Brunti. I wondered if that would have made a big impact on your game, but it clearly has. That's why I'm insane. Well, you do sit around the environment as a lot of swearing and just being generally laddie. So I instantly became a bit of a tomboy. And of course, you can be feminine. That's great. But this is such a hard topic because like when they say throws like a girl, it's not like a girl, it's just if you can't throw properly, i.e. you've got a handbag. That's just, you're just not throwing properly. You know what I mean? Those like the boys like to do everything 100 miles an hour. They'll like run into, when they're younger, like my nephew, his head is a battering ram and they'll just like run into things. It's just so aggressive and full on 100%. And that's just sort of like what was groomed into me was to be quite tomboy-y, lots were. And like, just the way you carry yourself. Like, you do, you watch, you learn, you influence the most at that age. And so I just wanted to be one of them so bad. They ended up just like carrying myself like that. (laughs) But it felt like it gave me all the tools I needed to be like really resilient and better at sport. I don't know if that makes any sense. It's such a level playing field with boys and girls up to a certain point. I got to like 16 and suddenly I was coming in at 10 with the lads and I was facing like eight, touching 80 miles an hour and I was like, not sure, like this is now horrific. I don't want to be here. But like bowling always, I could still play ball and play first in cricket, but that's it. It's just, there's just this switch that changes around 16, 17 where they just suddenly get rapid and strong and tall and things just, do you know what I mean? Everything, there's a level and it's like, well, I need to find a women's team. (laughs) - Yeah, I think that's it. It's like, bowling, you can always kind of control in a way. Like if you can still ball well, move the ball, swing it and maybe feel like we're as batting at some point like they get quick. (laughs) Even if they're not very good, like they can still ball really fast and then if they're not as good, they tend to just ball short. (laughs) - To your chest. - Yeah. - Try to take it out. - I'm just going back to something you said earlier when you were in Granny's garden impersonating players. Now, did either Catherine or Sarah Bryce impersonate Catherine Brunt in the garden? (laughs) - Yeah, actually, 'cause then surely they didn't have me on TV in Scotland. - Scotland? I don't know, they don't know if it was on TV somewhere but at least knew who you were. So, 'cause I was called Catherine and Sarah's called Sarah. I don't know if it's why she became a wicked keeper. - 17. - They were Taylor, so it was-- (laughs) It's about a running ball and she'd be Sarah Taylor but there'd also be a mix of all other people 'cause we watched a lot, there was probably a lot more kind of men's test cricket on at the time, so a bit of, like, your Brett Lee or Graham Swan or however, like, running in and kooky fighting when he got to 100, left-handed and be kooky. (laughs) - I love that. - That's fantastic. - Where does all this sweeping come from then and all the little? Do you just love, like, 'cause you are a real Kenny T20 player now, you've had a lot of opportunities recently that you must have been buzzing. I was my first time watching the IPL and, obviously, I missed out on ever getting to play, but there you were in the Gujarat Giants getting really fucked up. (laughs) I was feeling for you a lot on some occasions. It was just like the Gujarat Giants just seemed to just really have a tough time. I mean, the recruitment and management side of it could definitely be better, but I was just so happy that you were there and you were getting a crack. You must have, I mean, A, must have been (beep) your pants, and B, you were probably thinking, this is great, like, how could you have, like, imagine you'd be in front of, like, 40,000 people in India, the best place, like, for cricket on Earth and then playing for a bloody IPL team, it's just great. - Yeah, no, it was absolutely crazy. And I think, yeah, just like having that experience and going out there, and in a way, sometimes it was, because it was so, I feel like in this country, like, it can get loud in some of the 100 games, people are invested in the game in a year, like, yeah, of course, catch, and it's like, oh, ah, and there's a bit of noise, and it's really-- - A lot. - Like, I feel like in India, everyone is just, like, so switched on. Everything that happens all the time. There's just, like, noise, noise, noise, more noise. And then, but it was really interesting 'cause we started in Bangalore, and it's just funny, like, when you play RCB, that was just, like, the most incredible game, because, like, even when you weren't playing them, they'd be chanting RCB, and then they'd be off chanting for Donnie and Colley, and, like, having to back and forth, and it was just, like, non-stop, just, like, constant noise in the background, like, you can't hear anything, like, anyone shouting on the pitch trying to get you to do anything, or trying to get anyone's attention, just, like, impossible. - You literally need, like, sign language, and then, if somebody's doing these ones, when they're capting, you know, when they do these ones. And you're like, that's not helpful. - Yeah, like, in that, you know, yeah, yeah, 'cause that was mental, and, yeah, they were, that was really fun, like, the game against RCB, because it's pretty bad, pretty well against us, so, like, anytime you hit a four, it was just, like, aruption of noise, and then, as soon as you go out, it was just, like, silence, they were just, like... Oh, like, such, like, collective sadness, right? (laughs) - Well, it was good for her, 'cause, like, last year, she just had, like, a run of knots, it was horrendous. The highest paid person in the tournament, and then, zero, like, literally, probably, total 50 for the tournament, and it was, then, it was, she was always gonna get hundreds this year, wouldn't she? - It was so hard, and it's such a, it's a weird thing, in a way, like, obviously, the money's increasing, and a lot of different competitions, but, to watch something, whereas, like, people just, like, putting up a paddle, and the money's going up and up and up, and then, it's like, "Yo, it's 10p!" (laughs) Or, like, the name gets called out, and then, no, everyone's like, "No, no." (laughs) But, yeah, just, I guess, the pressure on her, as well, to go on before, and when you, if one of the first, highest paid players must have been absolutely mental. - I had a small heart attack when they were doing the auction, and I was in the Irish, we would prepare to play Ireland. - Yeah. - And there was just so much frickin' noise next door, in the other meeting room, 'cause India was in there, and they'd go mental, and then, there was this huge, like, scream, and I looked at my phone, and Sal Briggs, Briggs, he had messaged me, and she just put, "320-WTF." (laughs) - I'm sorry, it said, "N-A-T-3-2-O-W-T-A." (laughs) - Yeah. (laughs) - Hello, I'm frickin' element, it's a constant train now. No, Chan, we nearly screwed that game up. - Yeah, minted. - No, Taxman takes a lot of that, but, so you don't forget it. (laughs) - Now, pricey, let's, it would be remiss if we didn't talk about the Charlotte ed was cut, especially since you were an absolute superstar in that competition this year. We, we, we, we, we, we seem to have mentioned you every week on the part, when we talk about, when we talk about the Argenteck sponsored MVP standings. Frontie's been mentioning Catherine Bryce every week, and she's top again, she's been doing this, she's been doing that. Talk to us about how you, how did you crack it? 2020 cricket, do you enjoy it more than 50 over cricket, or do you just think your game's more suited to the, to the format, talk to us about it? - Yeah, probably just figured out, a bit of a way, probably more actually suited to 50 over cricket, probably something that comes more naturally. So it's definitely something I've had to work on and adapt in the last couple of years. So, yeah, like you talking about earlier, like those sweeps and reverses. So I did actually play quite a bit of hockey. So I think that probably helped with the hand eye of it, but it's almost like, we had, I remember having a bit of a conversation with you before Brontaine away, like in 2020 cricket, you just have to be so, like fearless, and it's almost like if you don't care, then you can play better. And it's so hard when you've like, I've grown up, like you care so much about performing for the team, and it's almost like-- - Well, you've valued it. - Yeah, and like bowing what you're doing and, and yeah, just like batting for long periods of time for the team and being the one to take that responsibility, but you've almost got to take that off and being like, it's okay to fail 'cause I need to be in that mindset of going for it to actually then be more successful. So that's definitely something that's been a big work on and something I've kind of taken forward and just like had to keep on reminding myself is, yeah, just keep on taking on these options and I guess all paying off at the moment. So hopefully that continues. It's probably, it's not gonna last like that forever, but yeah, I think that's sort of mindset or you back what you're doing and you just got to, if you think that's the best option to go for, I'm the gaps there and you just gotta take it on and it's worth it in the end 'cause actually if you don't do it, then especially with the way the game's going is you're gonna lose games anyway if you're not schoolin' cleaner. Like if you-- - And what about, sorry, I was gonna say, what about your team? During the Blackies, obviously we won the competition. Amazing Saturday, Father's Day. Are you generally just more set up as a team for 2020 cricket as well? Father Charlotte, it was over the Rachel Hayhoe 'cause they struggled in the Hayhoe flint trophy, didn't you? And when I was working with the Sparks in the winter, they were saying them as a team were more suited and probably better at the 2020 format as well. And they were probably gonna go further in that competition as well. Is that similar for you girls as well? - I'm not really sure 'cause I feel like before the last couple of years, like I said, that we were probably more suited to 50 over cricket, but we've had a lot of success in the T20 games, so I don't know whether it's just that sort of clarity that we've had in the short format. I think this started this year with main server away at the qualifiers and also had quite a few people injured at the same time. So it was pretty tough when Kirstie ended up having to open the bag with Kirstie Gordon was like, she loved it, but she did very well actually. - Yeah, so I think, yeah, I don't really know 'cause I feel like we probably were more suited to 50 over cricket, but then we've had a lot of success in the T20 game in the last couple of years. I think we've had a lot of really good T20 bowlers, the way that Kirstie's bowled in the last couple of years and Grace Ballinger up top kind of swinging the ball and being really aggressive. But also with Nadine kind of coming in and taking wickets to the death. So I think we've had a really clear structure and had really clear roles in the last couple of years in the T20 game. - Now you were that tight neck group of girls, close group? - Yeah, really close, I think, 'cause a lot of us are, most people went to left reunion and live around the same sort of area. So kind of see each other around a fair bit of time and it's been a similar sort of group for the last couple of years as well. So it's really nice to have had a group of people that have kind of gone through a bit of a transition into kind of moving to Trent Bridge together and that sort of, you have a success and the hard work over those couple of years sort of kind of coming through now. So. - Fantastic, who was the best celebrity on Saturday night after you won? - I was. - She, you know, KB knows how to have a good time. - I've seen an arrow. - I've seen an arrow, probably. - Kirsty is the most arrow. - Still coming out. - Kirsty. - Yeah, I think Kirsty probably topped them up. - And she has been living and breathing domestic cricket this year. She's like, she's been captaining, she's probably strategizing, she's probably been thinking about it in her dreams. I know she's been begging that to play. I'm like, "Babe, she's either playing for England "or she's injured." (laughs) And she's just so like, it's everything. - So I can imagine that drink would have tasted exception. - Yeah, definitely. I think she watches Andy play footage like most people watch it for it. Like she is constantly on it between like four hours waiting for the first time he final to the final. And she was on it. She was like, "Right, who are we gonna be?" "Okay, I think we might be playing Vipers, "just like looking through all the battles." And then she's like, "No, no, no, it's gonna be stars." And she's like, "Oh, no, it's gonna be Vipers." And she was like back and forth. And so her brain is just like, it's so switched on all the time. And it's- - It needs a holiday. - So I actually also got drugs tested at the end. So I think she had a very quick beer to help her flow. - Yeah, it does actually help. I couldn't go after a final one. It's always after a final, for God's sake. And I was like, "Somebody get me a couple of beers, "always worse, down two beers, instant like overflow." Actually, over the years. - Yeah, they're a better stage, right? - Yeah. Well, while we're talking about Kirsty, let's get a bit controversial. So she obviously changed from obviously playing Scotland for England. You can see this coming, you're already smiling. And I've always wondered, did you ever wonder about doing the same thing? And because in my mind between when you obviously first came on show, if you like, to now, like it's been a pretty good period of time now, could definitely have been in the performance squad, if not played for England. So is that something that's still possible? Have you ever thought about it? - Yeah, I guess it's something that always crossed your mind a bit. I guess, especially growing up, that was the only sort of pathway that you saw, I guess, of being professional was playing for England, that was the only way. And I think when Kirsty first made the decision to stop playing for Scotland, it was so that she could play in the Kia Super League. And then off the back of doing really well, and that she then got selected for the World Cup in the West Indies. So I think we were kind of fortunate in a way to be just after that, where we could then play regional cricket and we could play in the Super League, whilst also playing for Scotland. And I think we're in a really lucky position now where we can play regional cricket and we can play in the 100, but at the same time, still representing Scotland. So yeah, I guess it's still there as a possibility, but I think it's pretty special to be able to still play for Scotland, but also to be a professional cricketer at the same time. I think 'cause that was the main kind of dream growing up was be able to do it for a living. - Yeah. - I don't know, my mum thinks it's a real job, yeah, still, but it's cross the list. - It's the traveling all around the world. It's the financial gain. It's the playing in front of massive crowds. It's playing in the nashes or a World Cup. Like obviously, I'm very proud of playing for England, but I imagine that playing for Scotland's just really would just tear at you a lot if you did that. - How important is it for Scottish cricket, particularly the ladies game up there, that you've qualified for a World Cup this year? Obviously, back in May, qualified for the T20 World Cup. You and your sister are part of that team. Must have been amazing emotions around that, but also how for the bigger picture and inspire in the next generation and young Scottish girls for the future. That must be quite a privilege, but also, do you feel any pressure about how exciting is that? - Yeah, I think it'll be massive. There's probably not many, it's definitely growing in Scotland. A lot more people are playing and there's a lot more people playing kind of the grassroots level, but I think in terms of people that actually watch women's cricket in Scotland, it's probably really low, pretty low numbers. So to see that a Scotland team are playing in a World Cup, hopefully that'll kind of spark a lot more people to watch the games and then also see people that are from, kind of the place that they're from, playing in a World Cup and being successful and hopefully see the possibilities of what they're able to do. They play cricket for Scotland. They can actually play in a World Cup and it's not just some random game that you just go down to the park and there's not really much future in it and that they actually can see that they can play cricket and make it a bit of a career. - That's awesome. And when you qualified, the semi-final you won, that meant you'd qualified, didn't it? So did you girls go mental after that? Or did you wait until after the finals? Did you feel like you have to do it properly? - Yeah, no, we did go pretty mental after the semi-final. 'Cause that's the main one. It's like, that's basically our final is, you get to the World Cup and you win the semi-final. So that was the big game. And I guess it doesn't matter too much what happens after that. You're already there and then you can play the final and just enjoy it and embrace what you've done. So that was, and also after the final, we had to finish that game about 10 p.m. and had to leave for the airport at 3 a.m. So there wasn't much time after that to properly celebrate. So we definitely took it all in after that semi-final game. And I think a few of the girls were a bit rough the next morning, but they recovered ready to go by the evening the day after. - Oh shit, did you get on the flight when you're playing Kit still with a bottle of beer in your room? - Not too bad, I was actually wide awake 'cause I had left all my packing. I hadn't packed anything. So one got back to the hotel, packed all my bags. So I hadn't slept, whereas the ones that had had a couple hours' snooze were a bit grumpy. And I was like, well, sure on fault for, I'm buzzing still. - Maybe I'll tell you about my over-celebrating one time, one time after the ashes, this one time, the band camp. I got really drunk after we won the ashes and then we had an internal flight over to Durham from the Aegeus bowl. And that was the one and only time of Everden lining island. - That's why this was last time. - Yeah, was it Bronti? - Yeah, just charted one. But we had like another game two days later only. And that whole next day, well, the flight, the air steward gave me oxygen. He had to give me oxygen and I was still wearing my playing kit and I may have slept in it also. And I may have been sick for about six hours, sharing a room with Charlotte Edwards. But it was an experience and a great memory. And there's more to that, but I just can't share on here. - Well, it's the memory that us. You probably forget so many other games that you've played in celebrations, but I lived for the series wins, I lived for those nights. That's what we all, we live for. So good. I bet you can't say stuff about yours either. Anyway, back to how great you are. And the PCAMVP Rankin. So you picked up the MVP for that, for the Charlotte Edwards T-20. Yeah, is that monetary? Or is that just the overall at the end? - I think mom said that there was something. - Yeah, mom said that there was something. - Yeah, yeah, my drink's on you. - Mom's got a rye on the cash. I thought it was either one for the overall and then maybe, oh, here he goes, Luke, producer, it's so great. 2,500 for like the tournament per bit, the T-20 and the 50 over and then the overall MVP after the season's done is seven and a half. This is not too bad. And you could be, you know, cashing in all these checks, KB, if you keep going that. - Back on the line, scoring runs, taking wickets. - It's a decent incentive. - Easy game in it, Catherine. - Yeah. - Well, he could not be down pretty quickly, so. - That used to be my wage for the year, so I hope you enjoy that one. - Enjoy that one. - Yeah, that's right, now you've gotten that. - Just thinking about like the future, how old are you now, can't remember? - 26. - Oh, yeah, still a wee lassie, wee lassie. What are your ambitions now? Like where do you, where's the sky? Where's the ceiling for you? - Yeah, I guess it's hard 'cause I've probably reassessed a bit now 'cause I think one of the big ambitions I've had was to make it to a world cup. So I guess having done that. Yeah, it's probably playing some more like franchise competitions as well, 'cause I think in doing that, that kind of proves. The consistency of performances and kind of earning those positions and doing that. I think now as well, kind of pushing for, yeah, like being the top run scorer in the competitions. But it's got distracted by the message. I think kind of trying striving to be the best in the competitions and yeah, taking the most runs or the most, the wickets in the domestic formats as well rather than I guess just participating. - I get you've done it all now. It's nothing left to do, just cracked, carry on regardless. Tom, thanks for that really annoying stat that you have just placed on our group chat. So I think we'll go straight to the cricket archive guest stat alert. (buzzing) - Well, Catherine, I'm not sure if you're aware of this or if you remember it, but you could actually dismiss Catherine Sivabram and that Sivabram in the same game. Can you remember it? - I can. - It was-- - You remember the year? - Either. - You remember the format? - I think it was, it was either a Durham. - Yep, correct. - Yeah, it was at Durham in 2020. - Yeah. - That was an awful, awful game. - It was an awful game because I don't know how, I was like in disbelief how I'd managed to play that back to you. - Yeah, it was like cotton ball and it was like - Oh, yeah. - It was like a tool bar and like, I would have just opened my head, like tripped and fell and caught the ball. (laughing) It was like leaning out for, I don't know how. - No, it was like really slow. - Was it like in slow motion? - Yeah, and then just like died of death inside because we were already like three for three awesome crap. - Um, I'm pretty sure Nat got a ton first. - Yeah, so I got, I got, I remember I got four wickets in the power play. - And then I'm sure you had-- - Maybe you should have had me alone. - Yeah, I had a lot. - She had a lot of LBW, but they didn't give it. - Shocking, I'm firing. - Um, they didn't give it. And Nat went on, scored 100 and then I got her out. Eventually, when she was trying to like everyone for 36 and all the time. She pretty much like single-handedly won us that game on her own. But like I said, you did have her out. Umpiring was poor, as per usual. (laughing) But we're on a, we're on a move to fix that. And I went to a Yorkshire thing the other week. And one of my close mates back when I was playing with my bowling partner, Laura Sprague, is going through the umpiring phases, which was fantastic to hear because she would make a great umpiring. So, yeah, I love that. - How did you reckon we would get on as an umpire? - Me? Oh, yeah. Well, I'll give you this. (laughing) That's a good job. I'd love to do that. I'm actually like 100% in my, you know, in your DRS. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - You're the bowler. - Yeah. - Oh, I think we should look at that skip and you're like, definitely. I'm 100% on that. Yeah, I've actually been screwed over a few times where I've gone yet. You should definitely look at that and she's been like, "No, no, no." And then, Aisha, who's on Combs, best mate, texts me saying, "Why don't you look at that one?" It was hitting me and I'm like, "Oh, thanks, him." - Oh, that's right. - So, I actually think I would make a good one. And these days, I feel like it's better because you can always, you know, you can always just have a look. - Yeah. - We'll just-- - Get it wrong. - Yes. - It's the inside edges for me. - Yeah. - There we go, everyone's, if you don't hear them. Right. Bricy. I hope you've had a little think around in the old ed 'cause it's time for "Under the Lids" big question. We wish, you know, one thing, I guess, that nobody knows about them. Hopefully it's never been released, not too shocking. We can always bleep it out, don't worry. So, what is it that you have to tell us? - Um, so I think most things are probably being either ready, but I used to play tennis for East of Scotland as well. - There we go, talented sports women. - That was a new one. You're far too talented tennis, hockey. No wonder you're gonna-- - Well, Nara, who was the Aussie who played professional cricket and she won a-- - Ash party, I don't think I'm gonna be winning Wimbledon anytime soon. (both laughing) - Why not? - Why not? It should maybe just, like, cricket for a couple of years. - We went Andy Murray. - We went in Andy Murray. - We went in Andy Murray. - Yeah, that was so cool. - She's probably gonna be on, like, the golf tour in the next year anyway as well. - Yeah, crazy. - Oh, that's another thing, Booksy. You don't know about Bricy. She's very good at golf also. You were extremely talented sports ladies. - I just thought one of those annoying kids that was good at everything. Can you ski? - Yes. - Oh. - Not quite at all. - It's getting worse. - Good. - Bricy, I didn't notice about you. We've really got under the lid there, haven't we? Right, well, let's just check out your knowledge on this quiz 'cause it's the last round. Right, so this is how it works. You've got 60 seconds to answer as many questions as you can. The score is on the board and we will read out for you for as quick as possible and not trying to prove you ever 'cause in the beginning, we might've done that stuck it. It's not easy. What is the leaderboard looking like, Jack? - Okay, so Ollie Hanendolbe has eight, Harry Brooke joint with eight, Charlie Ding on the seven is leading the way for the ladies down the bottom of the division. We have four people joint, Ben Duckett, Tom Cola, Kevmore, Sarah Glenn, Katie Levick all got four. So no one's got less than four. - Right, I see. - For those who want to get more than four, but if you get to nine, you're obviously top and you get a big price. - Okay, girl power, we need a girl right in those, in those eights or on the top. It could be a sweet golf trip to St. Andrews with me and Jack one, just inviting myself. So we'll see, are we ready? Okay, this is the last round. - Just, if you don't know, just pass 'cause we've got more questions. - Yeah, very quickly, very quickly. - Three, two, one, go. - Who was the lead and wicket taker in this year's Charlotte Edwards Cup? - Kirsty Gordon. - How many runs did you put on with Sarah during your Charlotte Edwards Cup final finals? - Um, 76. - Oh, 79. - Nice, what is your T20 International batting average? - 39. - Oh, great, who will Scotland play in their first match? - T20, we'll cut Bangladesh. - Correct, in the last two years, how many group stage games have the blaze lost in the Charlotte Edwards Cup? - One. - Yes, which Scottish baller took the most wickets at the T20 World Cup qualifiers earlier this year? - Rages later. - Yes. - Yeah, who has scored more T20 international runs for Scotland, you or your sister Sarah? - Sarah. - Correct. - Who was this year's WPL? - Um, or... - What? - RCB. - Correct. - Yes, you made your T20 International debut in Amstelvine against which country in 2018? - Uganda. - Yes. - How many blaze players finished? And I'll start so I'll finish. In the top 10 of the sea Charlotte Edwards Cup PCA MVP table, how many blaze players finished in the top 10? - A three, two, one, four. - Three, three, three, three, three. - Now we have to take floor, I'm afraid. (laughing) - It is three, you can't have it. - Oh, so you absolute star. Eight scored takes you joint top of the league. There's nothing you can't do, is there? - I'll take that. Yeah, I'll take that one. - That was stressful. - It seems that you are just on some sort of fire this year. - Nice, glazed, glazed, glazed. - Yeah, yeah, but fired up. - Well, these are fire, yeah. Right, well that's fabulous. - Great, thank you. - Not gonna play, not gonna play glazed at the weekend. - Thanks so much for coming on, mate. It's been great to meet you. You've probed how good you are at everything, really. To be honest, just made them off great the whole thing. - Well, thanks very much, probably. It's been great fun. - Enjoy the rest of your summer. Good luck for the rest of the summer. Keep churning those runs, taking those wickets, and Bronte, Bronte, you'll keep talking about your name when you're not on here anyway, so. - Yes, yeah, keep giving me something to talk about and I'll send that over to you on the weekend for glazed, don't worry. - Brilliant. - Thanks. (laughing) - Ciao for now. - Bye. - Bye. (upbeat music) - What a guest. - KB. - From Jia. - KB. - From the KB, it's the top, aren't you? - Yeah, I absolutely love Brydie. She's such a fabulous human. Had some great nights out with her. - She is a belter. She's different from the rest. - Do you know what? I've been really getting into the album recently. - That's a cracker. - What's his name again? - Absolutely fantastic. - Jerry Cinnamon. - That's the one. I've been trying to mow some stripes into my garden and make it look sexy and that's what I had on. And I think it's my new favourite thing. I'm listening to Jerry Cinnamon whilst mowing stripes into my garden. - Another Scottish legend, but Bricey, what a, what a star. - She is. - Great to hear from her. Nice to finally meet her after you've been banging on about her for about seven weeks. - I know. Well, she's just (beep) that girl in she. - Under the lid. We got under the lid there. Moving on to some feedback that we've had. It's a cussing has kindly messaged in. Congratulations, Catherine, on receiving an OBE. So well deserved, obviously. You have inspired so many people, not just only by being an absolute goat cricketer, but also being the gem of a person that you are. You are an absolute legend. I have noticed you have a tattoo on your right forearm in a beautiful font. What does it mean? What's the story behind it? And I know tattoo is a very personal, so I get it if you don't want to answer. What do you reckon? - Difficult. Well, first of all, you're also a legend. So, thanks for those kind words. Yeah, it is, I think all my tattoos have a story. I like it that way. It's more of a reminder, and I put it in French so no one else could read it. And then a difficult font to read. - Do you really? Monge too, Rodney, Monge too. - Yeah, it's like, it's more of a reminder for me to not do the things that I used to do it as in. You know, it's getting very deep this. It could get very deep. - You could just say it's in French. Good luck reading it. - French, good luck reading it. - Nah, it's a good reminder, and it's always there for me, so. - There you go. - Excellent. Well, we do love reading your feedback, so please do get in touch with anything for either of us. Questions, pointers, sledging us, tell us anything. Please use under the lid hashtag on socials, or you can email in at usually my address hello@under the lid.co.uk. I think that's about us for the week. Thanks for getting under lid with us this week. 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