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It all comes after that disastrous debate last week and the reaction to it and the fallout from it. I mean, you have prominent people, prominent donors in Hollywood saying that Joe Biden needs to drop out and that they're not going to give his campaign any more money until he does. I mean, that's a pretty stark place to be in for a candidate and we don't know what Joe Biden's going to do. Now, there is going to be an ABC interview with George Stephanopoulos that he's going to do and the network is pushing it hard as an exclusive interview. I mean, so he's probably going to be saying some things during this interview. We don't know what, but I wanted to speculate a little bit about what Joe Biden might say with a good friend of mine and Newsweek's editor, politics editor, Jenny Fink. She's fantastic. She's the smartest person. I know she's the perfect person to have this conversation with. And I wanted to talk with her a little bit about what she thinks Biden is going to say in this interview, what she thinks Biden is going to do and just her reactions right now to the state of the race that has catapulted every conversation both here in Hollywood but also just around the country with regular voters. I mean, for me, part of my thing is the whole conceit of Biden's sort of re-election was that he's the only person that has ever beat Donald Trump. So of course he needs to be the natural nominee. And thinking about that, I'm kind of like, is that a good reason to run? I mean, Biden has done good things while in office. He's a good president. He's a smart person. He's capable of doing the job, sure. But I don't know if that, that he's the only person that has ever beat Donald Trump is the reason to run for re-election. Because I do feel like not many people have had the chance to run against Donald Trump. I mean, he's only ran two races for presidency. He won one. He lost another and two people have done it, one lost in a very, very, very close election and won in a not so close election, the 2020 election. So like, there, I feel like there are other people who could maybe beat Donald Trump, maybe a Gavin Newsom, maybe a Gretchen Whitmer. I don't know. Frankly, I'm kind of obsessed with everyone's teeth in the selection. This is the, this is the election of teeth in a way. There, the artistry of dentistry is on display with these candidates, both with Biden and Trump and Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer. Great teeth all around and I'm obsessed. But I wanted to chat about all of this and so much more with Jenny, just to get her, her sort of take on how things are going. So here's my chat with the wonderful Jenny Fink. We're going to talk more about teeth. Don't worry. Oh my God. Here we are with Ms. Jenny Fink, the senior editor of, well, of politics, but also just in general, my friend and one of the smartest people I know to be working in politics. Like, I cannot, your brain is something that I admire. Wow. I need to, you know, write that down and put it up on my desk for my motivational days. I am so honored to be here on your podcast. It's truly going to be the highlight of my year. It's going to go in my new year's journal of things that I did this year. I have a feeling considering the state of the presidential race. I have a feeling you and I are going to be talking a little bit more this season, just because it is, I was expecting, I think everyone was expecting, like what we expected, you know, it's going to be Trump versus Biden again. And it's going to be this, it's going to be 2020 all over again. And it was just, it felt, frankly, kind of boring. It felt like, like expected. And then now all of a sudden, because of that debate last week, everything is up in the air. It's all topsy-turvy and no one knows, I'm just going to be real frank. No one knows what the hell is going on. Am I wrong? No, you're completely right. And I always, you know, say whenever I get hung up on the state of journalism or with the campaign feeling a little dull, because, you know, we didn't see a whole lot of movement in the polls, which was a little bit of, you know, okay, Trump's ahead, Biden's ahead, but nothing, no huge swings. So whenever I felt about that, you know, I just thought back, my mom's always like, at least you don't work anywhere boring. And I feel like this is one of those moments. This is exciting. It's switched up the campaign. And I think it does show that, you know, in a campaign, you never know what's going to come out of it. You know, we all thought Trump's trial was going to be the biggest news of the campaign. And that kind of, you know, right now feels like a blip, you know, no one's talking about that anymore. Yeah, which is crazy to me. It feels like, I mean, that was only a couple of weeks ago, maybe a month ago, maybe, and yet it feels like forever ago, doesn't it? Yes. And you know, now his sentencing has been pushed, but he was supposed to be being sentenced next week. And even before we found out that the sentencing was going to be pushed, there wasn't a whole lot of chatter about that because of what's going on with Biden. And to think about something overtaking a former president potentially going to jail is huge. It's huge. I mean, that just shows you the weight and the power of what's happening right now. So let's get to it, because Biden is the talk of the country, the world everyone is talking about. But what will Biden do after that disastrous debate performance last week? I mean, from Washington to Hollywood, it seems like the conversation is about what is Biden going to do, especially going into this. I mean, I mean, I'm watching ABC right now, and they are pushing this exclusive interview with Biden that's happening Friday night. And it is, I mean, they're really pushing it to be like, this is an exclusive, this is big. And what do you think Biden is going to say in this interview? What do you think Biden is going to do? You know, it is kind of hard to see how Biden stays in the race at this point. You've got so many prominent Democrats speaking out publicly about this. You've got major donors. I mean, the Netflix co-founder, Abigail Disney, saying we're not going to donate anymore until he leaves. And the calls have even transcended from just, you shouldn't be in the campaign anymore to, you need to resign the presidency so that Kamala can take over and become the incumbent president running. So, you know, it is hard to imagine he stays in this race. What I do think is really interesting is that there is such a disconnect between what we're seeing with leading Democrats and the conversation with donors and what you're seeing reflected in polls. I mean, after the debate, he did drop a little bit in polls and Trump's taking over some states you had two states, you know, you've had states, swing states really, shift towards favor of Trump. But, you know, you've also seen a lot of Democrats still supporting Biden, you know, a New York Times, you know, college poll came out and Democrats actually support Biden as the nominee more than they did before the debate, which is really interesting. You know, in terms of wanting to replace Biden right before the debate, this poll came out and with registered Biden voters, it was 48% thought he should be replaced. And after the debate, only 40% said he should be replaced. You know, in Democrats in total, you know, 47% said before the debate that he should be replaced and that dropped to 45%. Granted, that number is within the margin of error, but you're not seeing these huge swings of Democrats suddenly saying, "I want to replace him." And to be honest, I think it's because people have low expectations for Biden in that debate. Yes, he defied those low expectations, which is never great. But these problems that we're seeing now that people are talking about are problems we saw this whole campaign. You know, I want to ask you about that specifically. So like the whole conceit for Biden running in 2024, really, if you think about it, is I mean, I think everyone knows is that he's the Democrats say he's the only one that's ever been able to beat Trump, which I mean, just coming at it from a very sort of like layman's view, that seems like a weak argument for candidacy, just because Trump has only ran once before. And he's a new, I mean, the argument that no one else can beat Donald Trump, I think, is to me, a bit of a stretch. So like, if Biden's only real argument, and he also has other policies and that he's been able to push forward, and he has other things under his belt that he could run on for sure, but the none of it is that this man is 81 years old, and he's going to be 85 years old if he does get a second term. And so if your argument is that no one else can beat Donald Trump, and Donald Trump is this massive threat, and you're the only one that can do it, like, I feel like a lot of Democrats in the lot of people, not even Democrats, but people in the country. I just read an article in the LA Times that just basically people who are just casual voters who can kind of swing both ways are like, this is crazy. What's going on? I hate both of them. What's happening, but yet Democrats in Congress seem to be lining up to support Biden. And so it feels like there's a disconnect between the political parties and the people in the country, you know? Yeah, and I think that's something that we see across the board. And I feel like whether you're in DC or you're in the news industry, you can find yourself in this bubble, where what we care about and are so consumed about, the average voter doesn't care as much about and aren't as embroiled. And I do think we're at a point where most people are going to vote Democrat or Republican, even independents who identify as independent, there's very few people who are true independents who vote blue one election, vote red one election, who might vote split ticket. So really, if Biden's the nominee, Democrats are probably going to vote for him. If Trump's the nominee, most of Republicans are probably going to vote for them because they don't want to risk the other person getting into office. The real issue now is voter turnout. And part of me hates when people say this and are like, it's going to come down to go out, ever comes out to vote, because duh, of course it is. But I do think that's where we see the problems with Biden's voters, is Trump's voters are so much more enthusiastic about their candidate. And at a time when the economy is not great and people are feeling like their lives aren't better off than four years ago, that's when people who are Democrats might stay home or might vote third party. And that's when Trump voters are really going to get out and vote and say, we want a change. And that's where I think Democrats are in a position now, because you look at the other potential replacements, and none of them, aside from Michelle Obama, who I think a lot of people would love to see that, but has said time and time again, like, I didn't love being in the White House, I don't want to do it again. Absolutely. I'm happy with my life now. Aside from that, you're not seeing anyone else blowing Trump out of the water. So I think the real problem that Democrats have gotten themselves into is that they should have replaced Biden months ago. You know, Biden had the chance to say, you know what, I feel I've served my country, I've given them some midterms in my life. The midterms did great in the Democrats. Yeah, it would have been great. Just walk away. Or at the very, yeah, I mean, be the transitional president that we all kind of expected him to be. And I mean, I think I say we, as in terms of just like general Americans, like we all saw, okay, we had a chaotic four years with Trump because of all the scandals and the dramas and all the things. And then after January 6, it was like, okay, yeah, he really brought the drama. And then with Biden, it was like, great, you're a transitional president. So we'll go back to other normalcy in the future years after you, like it'll be calm after COVID and all the things. And it doesn't seem, I mean, I don't feel very calm. But I do want to say I will, like, I want to talk about the other candidate, other dims out there that could potentially replace Biden. But before I get to that, I do want to ask you because Trump's been very quiet with the exception of small little things. He's been very, very quiet. The campaign has been very quiet this past week, which it is not Trump is not known to be quiet. So I want to know he was going to, I mean, the Republican convention is before the Democratic convention, correct? Yeah, correct. And so I want to know, does what's happening with Biden, how does it impact if Biden drops out? How does it impact Trump's race? Sure. But more so, his VP pick that he has not announced yet, like, could Biden's potential dropping out with a new person getting in there? Could that change who Trump is going to pick for his vice president? I think we've all seen that we will not know what Trump is going to do on Trump until Trump does something. So I, you know, I think a lot of us are like, he's got his VP pick locked in. I mean, the RNC is two weeks away. He's got his VP pick locked in. But who knows? He could switch candidates. I don't really see him if Biden drops out really having a huge impact on Trump's VP candidate, just because their races are so different. You know, I don't think the calculations that the Trump campaign is making now in terms of the state of the race, if Biden drops out and who they're going to pick as a VP in terms of where the VP needs to be from, state-wise, what kind of name recognition they need, any sort of race or gender that's factoring into it. That's the same thing, regardless of who Democrats put up, because I don't think that's really going to change. I think the biggest thing for Trump's campaign is Biden dropping out is just about the worst thing that he did, that he does not want to see that. You know, right now, there's a lot of talk about Biden's age. And you're not really seeing a ton of those comments towards Trump. You're seeing some of it. But we know that Trump, you know, makes outlandish statements. I don't know if that's an age thing. I think he's been this way for his whole life. Biden drops out. Trump's not a spring chicken. It now becomes a conversation about Trump's age, about what Trump's doing. Right now, the conversation is all about Biden and what Biden's doing. You know, I think the Trump campaign is really hoping this doesn't happen. I mean, we've seen the Heritage Foundation, which is a conservative think tank come out and say, we are going to challenge if we're going to legally challenge Biden being taken off. Because in the states, I think it's like Ohio, for example, or Wisconsin, or one of those states that you have to have the like has to be two weeks before the convention, the name has to be set. Like there's legal things that could happen if the primary winner is not the nominee, when it comes to the convention, like there's with many of the states, right? Yeah, the tricky thing is Biden is not the nominee right now. He's the presumptive nominee. So that could throw a wrench. Let's say tonight on that interview, he says, I'm stepping down, or he comes out shortly before that and says, I'm stepping down. That challenge might be a little less strong because he isn't the nominee, but that legal challenge to his position on the ballot because they could nominate someone right now. You know, that's why Democrats are pushing to have moved to do their nomination before the official DNC in August because of those ballot issues. So that hasn't been decided yet, but the clock is ticking. And even if there are legal, you know, I wouldn't expect that to stop anyone from bringing these legal issues. Well, beyond the legal issues, one of the things, and the reason why I asked about Trump and Trump's VP pick is because I feel like, I mean, we all kind of see, I mean, Democrats, if Biden does step down, could go in lots of directions. Of course, the obvious next person is Kamala because she is the vice president. She is the one that he picked. And also too, in terms of the campaign war chest, Kamala would benefit from being the presumptive nominee because she would be able to utilize a lot of the campaign funds, unlike a Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer, because they're whatever the whole the whole legal things that I don't really understand. But that's the reasoning that that Kamala is the reason. And so to me, if Kamala is the nominee, then is the one who is the sort of presumptive nominee going into the convention, if Biden steps down, that seems to me to make a case for Trump to get his now frenemy. I don't know Nikki Haley to be the vice presidential pick, because if he picks some other, frankly, let's be real, if he picks another old dude to be his VP, and you're running against the potential first black woman to be president of the United States, I don't feel like that's a good look for someone. I don't feel like that's a good look for his campaign to have two old dudes running to be president and vice president. I feel like he needs not only a person of color, but he needs a woman and a young woman to be his nominee. It could be the what's the South Dakota governor? I forget her name, the one who had the teeth thing in Texas. Kristi. Yeah, Kristi. No, I'm that one. I mean, he could pick her too, because she has great teeth. Lots of great teeth in this election. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. Her hair is phenomenal hair. I mean, Gretchen Whitmer's hair is also and teeth are great. Lots of good teeth in this election, but he could go. I think he needs to go in that direction if Kamala is the expected next step after Biden. What do you think about that? You know, I think it would be I never rolled Nikki Haley out as a VP. I think the ball would be predominantly Nikki Haley's court if she wants to do that. And, you know, before Nikki Haley joined Trump's administration the first time, she met with him and said, I have some ground rules. I'm going to blaze my own path. This is what I want. And he basically said, sure, go do that. That's fine. Obviously, things got very contentious during the primary, but I don't put it past him to not already be mulling her as a choice. You know, she put up a strong showing. People do like her. I think her stance on abortion when she came out in the primary and basically said, it is settled. Why are we still fighting this fight? It's not the way we should be devoting our resources. I think that does resonate with a lot of younger people and a lot of people who just aren't that hard line on abortion within the Republican Party who want the Scalia conservative policies, but do want, you know, the things that we've all grown up with, which is having abortion available. So I think she would be a great choice. I would not be totally shocked if you picked her. I think she's likely still in the running as a contender. Yeah, it seems to make sense to me. I mean, well, let's move over to the Democrats now. So like it would be I was talking about this last night over dinner with friends about the possibility of Kamala Harris being the nominee, which to me is wild because one of my favorite things to do is look at awkward Kamala Harris videos because she is an awkward person. She says awkward things sometimes that are sometimes very funny, which is why I look at the videos. And I mean, and I like her. I mean, I think she's fun. You know what I mean? Like they're I like talking about coconuts falling out of trees. Like she's fun. She's the fun person to talk about. But I I part of me is skeptical that the American people would line up to support Kamala Harris. I'd not totally convinced that she because she has not with the exception of winning in the state of California very well, of course, she did really great electorally in California. She does not have the clearest of track records in in terms of wins when it comes to being an ideal presidential candidate. I mean, her presidential campaign famously did very, very, very poorly. So I I'm skeptical. I have doubt as Meryl Streep would say. And so I want to know, like, what, like, what, what do you think are the chances if let's say, let's say Biden today, like when he does that George Stephanopoulos interview, let's say Biden steps down at like, what would Kamala do? And what do you think Kamala's chances are of taking over for Biden if he does step down? So I think the most obvious thing is what you pointed out, the war chest. It goes immediately to Kamala. She's on the FEC filings. It makes it very clear. And you know what, they have the argument of she's already been in the presidency. She knows how to legislate. She, you know, did some of these helped out with these reforms. You know, it's a short move for her. So that's convenient. She also has integration on her back, though, because he gave her immigration, Biden did. Did she do a good job with that, though? Are people happy with that? That could be a pro or a con, you know, but she does have, and she has a name recognition, which is great. And again, it goes back to I think a lot of people are voting Democrat or Republican. They're not voting the candidate. And so I think if they put Kamala in there, even though most people, she's very low approval ratings would still go out and vote for her. I think what then it comes down to is who does she pick as her VP? You know, because Gretchen Whitmer, you know, is another candidate that they're floating as replacing Biden. So she'd be great. I don't think, I think her chances of being VP of Kamala is at the top of the ticket are very low. You know, it would be great to have historic and it would be great because, you know, she's from Michigan and Trump won Michigan in 2016. Democrats need Michigan and it's not looking like a blowout for Democrats there. It could really, it is in play for Trump, but an all female ticket at this point in the campaign, it's a risky move. So I don't really see Democrats doing that. I think Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania would probably be a bigger VP pick for her just because you still have that swing state. Gavin Newsom, I don't see her picking Gavin Newsom to have two Californians at the top of the ticket, on the ticket just feels risky. And to be honest, like Democrats don't need to worry about California, you know, it would be a huge upset if Trump took California, but they're likely to that happening. So if you really want to spread out, you know, maybe Josh Shapiro, it's, I think it's pretty likely that if Kamala is the top of the ticket, she'll pick a white man's fee, correct me. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's pretty much expected. Like we're, I mean, clearly in the past 20 or so years, we're able to embrace change for in the presidency. You know what I mean? We had Barack Obama, of course, we had Hillary Clinton as the first female party nominee. We had the first, you know, person from business world to become the president of the United States. Like we like, we like change. We like newness, you know, and so I can see the appeal of a Kamala ticket. I really can. But I also think you're right in the VP state. I also think too, like, wouldn't she skew possibly younger in terms of the new generation of Democrats? I'm thinking of the John Asaf, or is he even old enough? Yeah, he's old enough to be vice president, right? Can you, I don't even know if he is or not, but probably senators, senators have to be 30, right? How old is John Asaf? I'm gonna, I'm gonna Google that right now. I think there's a service that can tell us how old he is. He's 37 years old. So he's he's two years ready to be the president of the United States. So like, I mean, I feel like they could go in like even a younger direction and do something like that. And also, he's from the south. Like, that's a big deal. And he had an upset in Georgia, like that not for nothing. That is on his record. He also hasn't made huge waves. He's got name recognition from that Georgia runoff. But he hasn't really carved a true personality for itself, which in a VP race, that can actually be kind of helpful, especially at this point. Like, let's bring out this young, you know, he's an attractive looking guy. Let's bring it into the race. I'm just gonna say, tell me the hottest senator. He's definitely up here in terms of the attractive level of senators. He's he's he's I mean, him and well, him so far. That's really the only one I got. You know, like in terms of senators, yeah, but I would also say like, you know, Gavin Newsom is not a bad looking guy. Let me get to Gavin Newsom here, because that was my next question for you. So like, here's the thing. I love like, like we were talking about the teeth of these candidates, and they all got great, great, potentially false teeth going on. So the smiles are like white as day happening in the presidential race. Donald Donald Trump and Joe Biden both love the cosmetic dentistry. Let's be real. And so they got great smiles. Gretchen Whitmer also potentially cosmetic dentistry. And but Gavin Newsom, he's got that smile of someone who knows he's been attractive his entire life. You know what I mean? He's got that like, that handsome sort of like, Devinier smile that potentially kind of makes me hate him a little bit. But he does feel like the other choice in the Kamala Gretchen Whitmer conversation, because if the two leading Democrats are from California, then it's California, like you can't fight it, even though the rest of the country hates California, it is what it is. So like, what do you think? Do you think there's a world in which Biden would step down and would not endorse or would not hand select Kamala to be his to be sort of the ring bear, if you will, for for the Biden administration, for the next person, and let it be a contested convention. Let Gavin Newsom get in there and put his name in the mix. Like, what are the chances of that? I think Biden would could let it be a contested convention, but not if Kamala is involved. I think Democrats, if Kamala steps aside as well, then I think there's room for a contested convention. I think unless Biden is in his revenge era right now, he's going to endorse whatever the I needed to put her in here somehow, but can't be too serious about this stuff. Got to get some pop culture records in there. But if Biden does not endorse who the DNC rallies behind, he looks extremely bitter. Now, at this point, maybe he wants to go out and blaze a glory, but the logical thing would be for him to endorse Harris if she's who DNC is rallying behind, because if he doesn't, he's effectively saying, I made a mistake and who I picked for the VP, and I've made him as I don't believe that the person who could have taken over running the country was capable of taking over running the country for the last four years. And that's not who Biden is. He doesn't want to do it. Even his attacks on Trump started pretty late in the game. And if that's not going to push him to do it, I can't see him just blowing up Kamala's life by not endorsing her if that's who the DNC rallies behind. Yeah, I can see that. I mean, that seems to make the most sense. I mean, I don't know. I feel like a lot of people are talking in the conversation, in the worlds around if Kamala is not the nominee, they're talking about the Gretchen Whitmer's and the Gavin Newsom's. I don't see a world in which Biden wouldn't. I mean, he just did the Philadelphia radio interview where he talked about how proud he was to not only be the vice president for the first black president of the United States, but also be the first president to select the first black woman vice president. So like, he's very proud of his track record, especially considering his time in the Senate and some of his votes and also the Clarence Thomas hearings. I mean, a lot of the controversy around that with Biden, that probably stung him and his history. So he's very proud of his work with both Biden and or with Obama and Harris. So I just don't see a world in which he wouldn't go with Kamala as the next step. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't that it would be absurd to me. And of course, he would want it. I don't see a world in which she wouldn't want it. Do you? I don't think so, but I do think there is some messaging that she can go with if she decides to step away. And I think that decision is probably something that she wouldn't come to completely on her own. But people in these situations can be very persuasive. And I think if she decides to step away, it's just, you know, we want to clean slate. I've enjoyed my time here. I feel I've served the American people. Now I'm going to walk away in the interest of my family or something like that. And at the end of the day, you know, politics is a short lived news cycle. And once they pick the nominee, that's going to be where the focus is. Whether it's Biden, Kamala, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, anyone Taylor Swift, you know, Oprah, I would go for Oprah. I mean, I'm biased because I do I enjoy an Oprah and a Gayle. And I think they would be a great president and vice president. I've interviewed Gayle for this for parting shot. Like, you can go listen to that episode. Like her and I got along great. Maybe I could be the secretary of defense. I mean, I'm I'm ready to fight. Well, that's really what they do. I don't think I don't think they do that. But I don't know what they do actually, which is why I talk to celebrities and not politicians. But Jenny, this has been fantastic. I do want to end on one thing because I someone who works and as someone who works in media, this is a moment in which as a person, like, you know, speaking personally, as a person, we're in a very conflicted place in this country, if you will, like there's the the state of what other future of our democracy is at stake and all of these things and like all these big questions. But as someone who works in media, I have to say, this is very exciting. This is like, this is kind of like our like like our bread and butter, of course, is talking about this election and like talking about these things. And sure, we would have talked about the president's race regardless and it would have been exciting regardless. But the fact that this is now this conversation is in the mix makes it even more water cooler exciting. So I wanted to know from you, how excited are you now to be covering the presidential race and does it kind of make you happy that this is like a little, a little, not happy, but like excited that like, wow, we have something new to talk about. You know, anyone who knows me knows, like, I love a good bit of drama. Like, there is a reason why I am like Bravo's number one fan die hard, like want to get to Bravo Con. And so I love a little bit of excitement. Like we talked about earlier, it was getting a little mundane, you know, just saying, Oh, there was a one point jump in the polls gets a little boring. And you know, there's always side players. I do think, you know, the state of America aside from an objective news perspective, this is exciting. And you know, I do think what it does show is, you know, it is nice to see that people are willing to change things. And I do think, you know, what you said earlier, like America might be slow to embrace change, but we do embrace change. And I think we're embracing a time where no one's job in politics is guaranteed. And I personally kind of like that. I kind of think, you know, we're ready for switching some stuff up, we're ready to hold people accountable. And you know, in any job, if you are not performing, well, you probably won't have that job forever. And this thing should be true for politicians. So I think Democrats came to the party a little bit late. I think this could have happened a long time ago, a bit much more smooth. But it is, you know, an exciting time. And it's nice to come to work every day, with a little more interest and intrigue and drama going on. You know, I like it. We're living in an episode of Housewives right now, except the Housewives are Donald Trump and Joe Biden, and they are fighting over whatever, you know, talking about each other's spouse, like in the episode of Beverly Hills, don't talk about my husband. We just need, you know, team Melissa Gorga, Teresa Judas, and that's where we're at now. Looking at the table, Joe Biden literally flipped the table on the election. Who knew Joe Biden would be the Teresa Judas in this analogy? Who knew? You know, I didn't, I didn't have that in my bingo card. But here we are. There we are. Here we are. It's making us hot summer so much better. So much better. We also need to talk about the season of New Jersey and how that fight was a little lackluster, just saying, but that's another conversation. The whole season has been lackluster. It really has to be back next week to talk about that. Yes, please. Yes. Well, I will, I will, speaking of next week, I will definitely be having you back because if the state of this race continues to dominate all of the news, both entertainment, I mean, celebrities are talking about this left and right, talking about if Biden should stay or not, like this is the, this is the story of the country right now. I will continue to talk about it with fantastically smart people like you on this podcast. So with the expect, with expect the crazy things to come forward, you will definitely be back and it will be lovely. But where can people follow you and all of the work that you do? Yeah. So obviously, you know, I'm on Twitter. My handle is Jenny Fink underscore, super simple. Also, I know it's an ode to my millennial status. I am on Facebook. I do post on Facebook, public, you can see those things. So go ahead and then I'm on Instagram at Jen underscore underscore button, which is a nod back to Jen bunny on the hills. So in Laguna Beach. So my millennial is showing, but well, we are here for this. I am here as well as this being an entertainment podcast. Yes, I am very here for all of those things. So thank you so much, Jenny. Thanks for having me. This is so exciting. I can't believe I had my debut. I'm so excited. Yes. Highlight of my year. This is this is my Met Gala. This is my Met Gala. You look great. Oh my god, thanks. What do you think Joe Biden is going to do? Let me know. I'm each Alan Scott on everything. And what do you think about Hollywood's response to Biden's campaign right now? I mean, because Hollywood is a big, big factor in Democratic campaigns in general. So like, Hollywood has some things to say and they're going to be a player in this election, regardless. So it's going to be really, it's going to be a very interesting presidential election. Let's just say that. And I will be talking more about it on future episodes of the parting shop, because it's the thing everyone is talking about. And I love to talk. So follow me at hl and scott on everything and go to newsweek.com for more podcasts and all the news and everything that is happening in this wild presidential election. You can also subscribe to my newsletter for the culture. It comes out every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. In the meantime, watch something fun this weekend or perhaps that Biden interview with Georgetown monopolist and have a great weekend.
