Beyond The Cabin In The Woods
Episode 164 - Beyond Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer
[music] You, you, I think. You know what horror is. Come with me into the tormented, wanted, half of the night of the insane. This is my one. Let me lead you into it. Let me take you into the mind of a woman who is mad. Hi, and welcome to Beyond the Cabin in the Woods, a good girl's guide to horror. I'm your polter guide, Kinsey. I'm your polter guide, Donna. I'm your polter guide, Mac. And this week, your polter guides watched. After much travail, the polter guides went through. Yes, yes, it was a fucking quest. Yes, not just to watch the movie, but to get all three of us on the same page and correctly scheduled. Yes, but we did it. And without further ado, we watched the 1989 cult classic film, Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer. All of those things are true. Except for the date, there is debate about the date, it was shot in '86. Saw a somewhat bit of a release in 1989, but didn't see any really wide release until '91. So it's late '80s. Yeah. Maybe early '90s, but still, we watched that. Date unknown. Date unknown. So let's go around. Did you like it? Did you not like it? Had you seen it before? Let's jump in, both feet. No, and no. No, I didn't enjoy this film. I did enjoy seeing Michael Rooker with Hair, that was a new experience for me. In fact, to the point that I didn't recognize it as Michael Rooker until I looked something up on IMDB, and then I looked back and said, "How did the world did I not know that was Michael Rooker?" It's very much Rooker by the end of the movie. It's for sure Michael Rooker, there's no question, but I think I've never seen him with Hair. You've seen him with Hair Donna, you've seen Tombstone. No. You've not done it. Okay, we'll unpack that one later. Why? Tombstone, the movie? Yeah, Tombstone, the movie. Yeah, I've seen Tombstone, I just maybe didn't realize that was Michael Rooker. No, that's fine and fair. Sorry, you gave me a little bit of a... Did he have hair in mall rats? No, he did not have hair. I don't think he did, yeah. He was like... He was like back out. Sorry, I got to unclench my pearls here for a second. Let me... Yeah, I'm whitening those knuckles there. Sorry, sorry. I was feeling like a very bad friend there for a second, Donna. I'm not like a member of the behavioral analysis unit or anything, but I have some understanding of what serial killers are supposed to be like and no, no, no, no. No, this isn't it. No, this isn't it. I'm done. I didn't like the movie. I had not seen this before. I knew of it. It was very infamous. And this was a film that I was legit dreading to watch because I'd seen two scenes on some of Shutter's lists that they had. And so I was new of it and, yeah, it just, it's not what I'm going back to. It just, it's, I didn't like it. I can see why this gave Rooker his start. He did a fantastic job. No, no, no notes on that performance. But yeah, I didn't like it, not not going to go back. I had seen it before. It was 20 years ago. So it's not like, Hey, let's just leave Henry's portrait of a serial killer on a loop and have a party. Would you like some guacamole? It's. I saw it. I remember finding it. I did not enjoy it. I question the moral fiber of someone who enjoyed this. I think it's interesting, especially in the air in which it's released because Donna was like our serial killers like this. They're not like this on criminal minds. But these are based on real people, Henry is Henry Lee Lucas and Otis is Otis tool. It's loosely based on their various crimes. It's interesting because especially at this point, 86 to 91, the range that we're dating, carbon dating this movie, the horror villain had sort of slipped into a cult hero status. People would watch a Nightmare on Numb Street movie or a Friday the 13th movie and actually start to root for Jason and Freddie. There had been a numbness to their depravity and this movie refocuses that it actually starts to make you think that Henry might be something of an antihero because yes, he's terrible. He does terrible things, but he's nice to Otis's sister until and we'll get to this in a bit. He either was or was not. I think watching it this time, I liked liked is the wrong word. I found it less interesting. I don't know if it's been kind of re-cut over the years, I get the sense that it has. It feels like there's a lot of weird sound effects and juiced up music added to it that lowers it kind of that level where it's a very basic 80s horror movie. I don't think any of the performances are very good except Rooker. Rooker, I think we can all agree, Rooker arrives here and says, "Hey, I should be doing interesting work in other movies. Please hire me." Yeah. Like I said, no notes on Rooker's performance on Rooker. Yeah. Like all the other characters are like very, the cinematography is ugly. It's an ugly, unlikable film that is interesting in a couple of places. I remember recommending this movie for the list, recommending again is a strong word. I broached the subject, "Oh, we should do Henry Portrait of a serial killer at the summit." And I did it very tentatively and Kenzie co-signed on it, so I'm like, "Okay." And for months, I've been road-signing that this was coming like, "Oh man, Henry's gonna be dark. Henry's gonna be, oh, it's like, I don't know, man, it's coming." And now it has arrived. I think it's funny because I do remember that I did co-sign on this and yet before we started talking about it, Summit Kenzie says things in the moment and doesn't really think about until we're getting there and then it's like, "Oh shit, this is happening." Yeah, Summit Kenzie sometimes is more cheerleader and just is happy to have breakfast with our friends. You're more than sanding? Yeah. Yeah. And Don is giving me this look. And it's both of us, really. Yeah. I mean, and that's fair. If we have this look coming here, I'm not going to say we don't. Siskal and Ebert loved it. BT doves. You know? Yeah. I'm not surprised with that. But- But it was not a violation of the Ebert rule because I had seen it before I was aware of it. That's true. You had seen it before. No, you had seen it before. Yeah. And it was both of them. It wasn't just one of them. Right. Right. So that's fine. I mean, it's not because this movie is not fine. No, this movie is not fine. But for those of you who don't know what Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer is about, are good, good buddies at IMDB want you to know that arriving in Chicago, Henry moves in with an ex-con acquaintance, Otis, and start schooling him in the ways of the serial killer. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I thought- I was thinking at several points that it was the, like, the creepiest parts of an unsolved mystery episode extended to hour and 20 minutes. Yeah. Okay. So that's interesting that you brought that up because that really, that grainy feel like it made me unsettled, like, as we were watching it, like, and the other thing that really left me unsettled was the aftermath of the violence. Not actually seeing the violence, like that, I thought that was a choice. It was something I wasn't expecting, especially when this was made. Yeah. I thought it was just- it was different and it left me just unsettled. That's the easiest way I can sum it up. Yeah. No, I think that's the whole movie. I mean, I was left nauseated more than terrified. Yeah. Our good, good buddy, Ryan chimed in during our travails to schedule this and recounted the story of the first time he saw it, it was the night of a meteor shower and he went out and some stranger in his neighborhood or something, came up to him and started talking to him about meteor showers and he just went, nope, went right back inside. This movie feels like, for me, is going to be one of those that if I ever hear, not that I'm in the dating scene, ever plan on going back in the dating scene, nothing of that. But if you're in the dating scene and you like horror films and you're talking to somebody and they want you to watch this film, that's a red flag. Like this film and Serbian film, like if they say you're not a real horror fan, you haven't seen that baby girl, baby boy, run. That's a red flag. Definitely a red flag for an early date, but also just beyond that, it's a good social barometer, I think. You get a reaction from somebody off of this film and that tells you a lot. There's another movie. It's a documentary called Jesus Camp that is very good in a different way for that same thing. And once somebody's in your life, show them the movie and then say, "I'd just like to get some initial thoughts now that it's over." Oh really? Okay, well, there's the door. Your polter guides are doing the work for you, as well what I'm saying. We're doing the work for you here, so red flags to look out for. I don't know if either of you have seen this film, but I definitely got maniac vibes like the original maniac. It's very similar to this, but it's also shot, it doesn't look like it's shot by a serial killer, like it actually has some production value to it, so it is less unsettling. I mean, it's still unsettling, but I didn't need a Silkwood shower after watching maniac, but it's got that same vibe. Tom Savini did the special effects for it, so they look really good. He's one of the victims in the film, as well, but it gave me a lot of maniac vibes, and so I was just curious if either one of you had seen that and knew. It's probably not going to be one I suggest, we do. I will, I will, can see Will enable me, and Donna will be our helpless victim. Oh, you mentioned special effects, and I think that's, that's another point I had. I mean, there's not really any degree of special effects here, and usually they take you out of the movie. There's the moment at the end when, I want to say it's Rooker or is it the girl who stabs Otis in the eye, and it cuts to it. The girl Becky. It was Becky who stabbed him in the eye, but like I just remember it cutting to an obvious like paper machine. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, that was bad. The one thing I sat there wondering about the dealer in electronics or something that they kill, they kind of crown him with a, with an old TV, and then they turn on the TV, and he's just sitting there while it's like electrocuting him, and I'm like, I don't know how the hell they did that safely, and then I thought maybe they didn't do it safely. They probably didn't. Yeah. I don't feel like that was done safely. Now that was the one that probably because they didn't do it safely, that didn't look as obvious as like the head when, for Otis, which I'm sorry, but #notmyotis on, you know, this guy. Which, which Otis are you referring to? That is going to be Otis from, I know Max going to cringe here from Rob Zombie's Firefly Clan trilogy from House of a Thousand Corps's Devil's Rejects and Three from Hell, I think it's the third one. Yeah. Wait. Towls in that, in one of those, right? Technically in two of them, he's the sheriff, and then the ghost of the sheriff, oh, damn it. I think Otis, Otis might be a reference to our Otis here. I think it is. Oh, macula. We are one Sherry Moon zombie away from this being a Rob Zombie movie. Damn it, macula. We did it. All right. I'm not, I can't argue that point with, with you. I know this was a rough watch. Yeah. All of us had a tough time not even getting into the, the hiccup on the schedule or anything like that. Like, no, we had a tough time. It's an unlikable film. And it doesn't try to be like, either. Right. Everything for its target. It's not like, Hey, here's a fun time. Oh, that was not a fun time. No, they lied. That was not a fun time. No. I guess one of the things I really struggled with was Henry starts out as a almost perfect predator. Everything he does is designed to keep him hidden. You know, he chooses random targets. He switches up his MO, which he then explains later on to Otis. You know, you don't do the same thing over and over again, which then makes it really incomprehensible to me that he then brings Otis in. It doesn't make any sense to me that he brings Otis in to what he's doing because that makes him so vulnerable. And then when they lost the camp, well, lost the camera, yeah, that further made no sense to me that he didn't even ask, is there any evidence on that tape that you just dropped in the middle of the street? Because he again was a very just, he was like a perfect predator, or his Otis was not. So that was something that just never set right with me that he brought Otis in. It's sort of like a no prize non-canon answer, but I'm reading those moments as Henry almost setting him up as a sacrificial lamb. Like there might be a little heat coming down and then they'll find Otis and say, oh, well, Otis clearly did all this because you also notice Henry doesn't show up on most of the tapes. Yeah, that's true. He doesn't. He's very careful to not show his face on there. Hmm. Careful. Yeah. But it involves a deeper reading of the plot mechanics of this film than I think it's worthy of. I hadn't made a connection about him setting him up as a lamb because I read the stuff with not so much Otis, but with Becky that this is something he did not plan for. And no, I don't know. I wouldn't say means to an end, but I don't know. I can't. Well, I think that would bring us to the ending a little bit and we have some discussions about that. Yeah. Because I think that's where the film is sort of really interesting in its structure. And I think I mentioned earlier, it seems to try to build up Henry as something of an antihero and then pulls the rug out from under you in the last few minutes. I think that goes back to the read that he's always being that predator, even when he's mimicking something affectionate or friendly. Well, and he had problems with that too. I think his mimicking could go so far. And I think he had, he didn't know how to fake that behavior. Right. Well, as an audience member, you're looking for something familiar. You're looking for a protagonist, which Becky wasn't. I mean, Becky was a victim, a victim. Yeah. And from almost the beginning, she's up there with her story about how her father treated her, you know, she's not the protagonist. And then when Henry became protective of her, your audience member brain goes, oh, okay, this is Henry's redemption arc. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's not. It's not. Yeah. And I think that's where the film kind of almost works in a very sick way for me is it's that playing with the audience expectation. So we get to the end, we have brutally killed Otis. I don't want to say murdered because that was maybe the one justified killing in the movie. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, we have killed Otis and Becky and Henry drive away together after their lukewarm profession of love for one another. And then Henry puts a suitcase on the side of the road. And I think I'm the one person in all of moviedom who didn't realize that was Becky in the suitcase. You're the first person who has brought up that point. Yes. Yeah. I believed that Henry did not kill Becky because I am naive and innocent. You wanted to believe Henry turned a corner. The antihero. You were going, you were leaning into the antihero. And I like that you did because I did not have that read. I had the read of when I saw it, my reaction was, Oh baby girl, no, like that was mine. Yeah. And so I like that you had that read Donna, like you have given us an alternate timeline of it suddenly becomes natural, born killers, Bonnie and Clyde situation, which, okay. All right. I was all, did Otis really fit in her suitcase? Did you watch it on Tooby or Peacock? I watched it on Amazon. On Amazon. Okay. I'm wondering if you saw a different version of the film than I did because the version on Peacock and I was mentioning when my, in my review there was, it feels like they've added some things to it in some versions of the film. There are throughout the film, almost auditory flashbacks that kind of spoon feed the viewer on that version of the film. Yeah. And that's why it's. Okay. So that's in there because that's why it's really hard for me to read the suitcases, anything other than Becky, because as he's setting down the, the suitcase, you can hear the, what sounds like Becky screaming. Yeah, it was, it was hard to make that connection. It was hard to make that make sense, but I am, I am creative and you're an optimist and you want to see the good in literally everyone. It's true. And we love you for that, Donna, which we do, you know, I can argue for how long I put up with bullshit. So this isn't about Becky or the ending. This is just kind of a random point, but editor Billy pointed out and this is such an editor Billy pointed out. I have to share it here is that, you know, we see Otis reading comic books throughout the movie and Otis had to actually go into a comic book shop and buy said comics because of the, there's a, there's, there was the Spiderman comic that he had or like the Marvel comic. There's a certain little code on it that it, that Billy pointed out, he's like, no, you have to go into the shop and get that. So I thought I wanted to share that with everybody. So that, that was, that was editor Billy's takeaway from, from this was, oh, you've got to actually go into the comic book store and get that Otis and 86 that wasn't a challenge. No, but it, it, you know, it just shows just, he was trying to figure out what comics it was that Otis was reading by Marvel too, like some of them, he could recognize some of them. He was like, okay, yeah, I don't know what that one is. So I, that also made it more delightful as delightful as a viewing experience as this can be was that ray of sunshine beside me telling me, Hey, this is the comic that this is, these are the notes and I like that. I will say this, over the course of 100 plus episodes, I don't, I don't know what number episode we're up to now, but well over 100 episodes, we have had scheduling snafoos and every time I've watched a movie and then we've had to bump the recording, I've always rewatched the movie. This is the first time I have not rewatched the movie. I was like, bucket, no, no, I know enough about the movie. Yeah. None of us did done that. That's the right answer. Yeah. None of us rewatched it. I mean, it got me to switch from, I don't like death proof. Do I like death proof? Okay. That's true. I don't think that's going to happen here. Yeah. No, I did not think I was going to suddenly like this movie. No, as the only person on this podcast who has seen this movie twice, even over several decades, it doesn't get better. Yeah. I do think that is interesting, just the age gap, and I mean, it just shows just when you're younger, there's things like, yeah, it'll be fine. I'll watch this. It'll be fine. And then going back to a film when you're older, you're like, oh no, this was a mistake. So I always think something like that is interesting because you've been talking about, you know, it's been 20 years since you saw that. Yeah. Man, who did the special effects makeup? Because yes, the prosthetic head was terrible. The bottle to the face was pretty good. And if there was prosthetics involved in the TV on the head, that was really good too. Yeah. I don't know who it was that didn't. Like I said, the only reason I know with Maniac is just because Savini likes what he did on Maniac, like it's, and the fact that he's in it as a John. So I don't know with this film in particular. Okay. I'm betting it's such a small production that it was John McNaughton, the director, but I could see that. Primarily set that up. I'm not seeing a specific special effects artist outside of that and given the size of the movie, I would bet money. I have a feeling because that particular shot, the, you know, the, the poke to the eye could have been easily done with just a side view. They didn't actually need a prosthetic head. They could have just done a side view, but they already had a prosthetic head for when Henry was cutting the body up and the director did not want to waste the money for the prosthetic head. So that's funny. Do you use it? Yeah. I can see. Also in, in this movie's defense, I don't know why I'm defending it, the, the needle to the eye bit is no worse than the terminator in the first Terminator movie trying to, like when it clearly cuts to like an animatronic Arnold head and he's trying to peel off like something, some part of the injured eye. It looks about as bad as that. Yeah. I, I, I will concede that that's bad. I won't concede it's as bad because it's, it's, it's bad. It reminded me of it. That's what I'll say. Okay. You know, it did me too. It did me too because of the stark contrast because what's definitely real to what's definitely unreal. It was a, it was a very stark contrast and it also reminded me as well. So I will give you that. It's not as bad. It's, it's. You're probably right. Yeah. And plus as we all know, Uncle James is still going to do, even in 1984, he's going to have perfection in his special effects. He's still going to what is capable at the time. Yes. He's also a special effects guy by trade. I mean, he was the guy that, that, that, that drew out the computer screens in escape from New York. Oh, I didn't realize he did that. Yeah. He was the one. Like, like it's actually like a physical model, but it looks like a computer wireframe. Cameron did that. Yeah. Why am I, why, why am I today years old that I'm learning this and that two of my worlds are colliding right now with this knowledge. Cameron and carpenter together. Come on. That's like, that's, that's, I might go watch a skate from New York today. I mean, that's like chocolate and peanut butter together right there. You get these brains. So, yeah. Two things you love. Yeah. So because this movie is very short, there's, and there's not a ton of dialogue, we really did struggle coming up with a quote for this film. Like, I mean, it's, it's a struggle because some of the ones you're just, that give you the ick, like you don't, it's like, no, I don't want to put that out there. Uh, cause I saw like, I suggested, one of the ones I suggested was Otis plug it in and I kid you not Donna and Mac, both their eyes just glazed over at me and it's like, oh, no, well, that's definitely not going to, going to make the cut as it should not make the cut. Uh, but the quote we landed on Mac has who do you think you're associating with? Anyway, I don't know why my Henry impression is George W. Bush, but it is try it again with that Southern accent. Yeah. You can do it. I can't do Rooker though. Like don't try to do Rooker. Just who do you think you're associating with anyway? That was pretty good. Not bad. Not bad. It's still a little W. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but you got there. You got there. Yeah. Just a little bit. See, it's more Texas. You, you went a little more coalition, coalition of the willing. Yeah. I think, I think you did a fair Rooker. I think that wasn't bad. Yeah. Thank you. All I could hear was W coming out speaking of which 20 years ago. So, you know, it was a simpler time. Yeah. Who would have thought we'd have said that anyway? Okay. Not I. Yeah. If we could just please go back to the George W era. God, that would be who knew that that was good times and the only thing that terrifies me about that speaking of horror is that in 20 years, are we going to be looking back at now going like, let's try that again. Oh, Mac, Mac, Mac, Mac. I'm going to touch your mouth. I'm going to have to touch grass after, after you're in that night. Now it keeps you up at night. I don't need help with that, Mac. Okay. Donna, you have our rule. Don't abuse your children or children. Okay. I said children. Yeah. Don't abuse your children. All children. Oh. Don't abuse your children. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I stand corrected. Don't abuse children. Yeah. That's, yeah. That's, we would have solved a lot of problems if we would have sent those three people out into the world without child and child. Yeah. Although Henry might have been born wrong. I don't know. He seemed to have a lot of momma problems and a lot of momma problems, but maybe some of that's genetic, like momma had problems and she gave him problems. Okay. You know. I like, we're just kind of like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Mac, you have our poll question. I do indeed. What did you do or watch, uh, immediately after this movie, to start scrubbing it from your memory? I will go first because, uh, yeah, I ended up sitting on the couch with my, my puppy with my fin and I gave him Scriches. We took a nice little nap and then after I had my little nap, which, uh, I looked at some, uh, pretty, pretty great memes, which will make a lot more sense in a little bit. But yeah, that's what I did. I was very on brand for me, Vital Fantasy 14. Mm. That's what I did. Beautiful, beautiful world. Fantasy. Mm-hmm. I have a Pegasus that I can ride. I have dragons that I can ride. Beautiful. That's what I did. Good. That's good. Yeah. Um, I do this a little bit because I'm on the screening committee of this film festival on occasion. I get a real bummer of a documentary and I've got to do something at it. I remember when I watched several weeks ago and then I walked, I popped on an episode of the Big Bang Theory and it was sort of like the cinematic version of the Benz. Like I went from the wrong pressure to the wrong pressure and like capillaries burst and I needed to just sit and be quiet for a while. So I have to be aware of that you can't go too far and I just threw that into the wind this time. I popped on the Lego movie right after Henry. It was a weird double feature, weird double feature and my capillaries burst a little bit, but I watched the Lego movie. I love that you watched the Lego movie that that was your go-to because I'm sitting here going, it starts out with the song, "Everything is Austin." Yep. Oh, oh my goodness, oh my god. Cinematic Benz. Yep. Yep. I like it though. I am, I am a fan of that. Uh, big fan of that. Okay. So who wants to go first on Happy Place? I can go first on Happy Place. You can go first on Happy Place. Sometimes, sometimes, um, and I understand this is a characteristic of people who have both anxiety and ADHD. Online shopping can be therapeutic and so this coincides with Prime Day. So recently, mm-hmm. Beyond the Captain Louis has brought you by Prime Day. I actually, there's actually four journals, but one of them is by my bedroom. You can't see them. I acquired four of these journals, purple one, the black one, no, they're not, but they're very similar and yeah, so the black one, the purple one, the gray one, and then there's a red one that's in by my bed. I got the sleep mask, um, I got these little, um, these tiny little miniature clothes pens, the purpose in which we'll become apparent in a minute. And then from Etsy, I discovered this whole category of things. This is a jar of affirmations. Hmm. Okay. And so you could, I'm going to do one right now and so you can open the jar and pull out this little rolled up piece of paper and in the, I can conquer anything and everything that comes my way. Okay. That's what it says. And then the purpose of the clothes pens is I'm going to string a ribbon and I'm just going to hang the affirmations off the string, off the ribbon with the clothespins. So I got some of my anxiety handled by the way, don't go broke by indulging your on shopping, but it can handle some anxiety because it's something that you can control. But there, I have got some anxiety handled with some online shopping and I got some cool shit. Pretty cool. Don, I appreciate you reminding me that there's other things on Etsy other than Star Wars or Baldur's Gate 3 fan art. Um, so I appreciate that, that reminder. I also got some clip art for my PowerPoint presentations so I can quit committing crimes when I make my PowerPoint presentations. I also like Donna is on a virtual, uh, moving background on zoom as we're recording this for the podcast listener. And as such, zoom occasionally doesn't register things as a thing. And so the whole display of the various items that Donna was talking about also sort of had a weird sleight of hand magic trick quality to it is like, here are books. The books disappear. Affirmation. It's gone. Well, actually, my favorite is when I take a sip of my coffee. Your face disappears. Yeah. Except for right now. Except for right now. Except for right now. Yeah. But sometimes when I take a sip of my coffee, all of me disappears because the coffee covers my face. Yep. Good times. It is good stuff. I'll go ahead and go because I do technically have two happy places. This is the one I'm going to talk about first is was my original happy place. But as I have been extremely transparent on this podcast that I enjoy Baldur's Gate 3 and I'm still playing it and having a good time with it, I really enjoy the Baldur's Gate 3 fan community and someone in their infinite wisdom. And this also helped me with after watching Henry decided to combine Baldur's Gate 3 with Arrested Development Quotes. And it is so gold like I can't, it is, it's such a niche. But it's my niche and I'm like, yes, inject that into my veins right now. Like there's, there's been some fantastic ones and I, I love it and it makes me happy every time I see a new one. So I don't know who did it, but you are a scholar and a gentle person and I thank you. My second happy place, which is more for what this fits with actually this week, the final trailer for Alien Romulus dropped and that looks dope as hell and I cannot wait. Stied from the teaser trailer, I haven't watched anything and I'm like, I'm going, I'm going in blind. I love it, I love that for both of you. I think there might be aliens in it. I think so too. And what I've seen, that brief look, looks dope as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. The final trailer, like even with it in, even with the teaser trailer, there was a shot in it that gave me anxiety. And so for an actual horror film to give me anxiety on something like, I'm like, oh, this is going to be, don't, don't, don't, don't screw me over today, don't, don't do it. I'm, I rewatching the series and anticipation was doing Romulus on the show and I watch aliens and I watch aliens and I'm stuck. I just can't quite seem to push forward from there. I don't know what it is. We don't have to, man. You don't have to. I may not have to. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could, you could, it's not day three and four, but I mean, if you want to go watch for Mises and covenant, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, my, my evil boyfriend, David and nice boyfriend Walter won't be mad that you did. That's true. They'll be okay with it. All right, what is your happy place? The fact that I didn't have to come up with one on July 14th, we're recording on the 21st and our recording schedule got a little snafood. One schedule showed we were doing this. One schedule showed we were doing a new nightmare. There was a mixed response as to who was looking at which schedule and we were not unified in our preparation for talking about Henry, Portugal, Syria. Which was good because I didn't know what the hell I was going to talk about on the happy place on July 14th because I was in a really fucking foul mood at that point. And I'm in a better mood now. So that's my happy place. All right. I'm glad you're in a better mood. Yeah. You too. 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