Warning Track Power Hour
Warning Track Power Hour: Olympics, KC Royals Update, NFL QB Preview pt2 - s04e25
Welcome to the warning track power hour. I am Dr. Andrew Scann. He is Dr. Michael Wurman Esquire. On today's show, we will continue our four-part series on the NFL quarterbacks. The 24/24 season will be talking about the NFC North and the NFC East before next week getting into the AFC quarterbacks. We will talk more about the Kansas City Royals and their wildcard race still alive. But we will start today's show. The third week in a row with the Olympics, another crazy week, some like a big home from behind victories, some phrasing qualifications and weird losses, weird events around the whole series of the Olympics. Mike, what in the last week have you been watching and what have you found the most interesting from the last week? I have been watching a variety of things. I had been watching a lot of volleyball, beach and non-beach. Unfortunately, in the single elimination, the Americans have been doing so well on beach volleyball. These both of them are out now. Both lost in the quarterfinals, I think, and at least one of the men's teams, one of the chase-bunger is out. So you think of the beach volleyball as kind of an American dominated event because it's sort of an American, as an American sport, it was, I think it started out in the Atlanta Olympics in '96, but the men women's indoor teams are both doing very well and both, it seems like, are in good shape to get medals. The men have to be Poland or, if they lose to get Poland in the semis, they will, if they win that broads medal game, they'll win a medal and that was something that was more important. More importantly, though, I'd win my bet, yes, that's the most important thing. Yeah, so I've been watching some of those. I've been watching some of the track and field, the 100 meters was really exciting. What was the time, the difference, and that's the first and second point? Oh, oh, oh, five seconds, five, one, five, one, one, thousands and seconds. The way time was 9.7, 8, 4, and second was 9.7, 8, 9, yes, and Lyle's won that one over his Jamaican counterpart and American, Fred Curly, got third too, so it was first and third for the U.S. and that one, and it was also first and third today, Tuesday, in the 1500 meters, which was unexpected, where Cole Hawker and Jard Nagooza got first and third in the men's 1500 meters defeating Jakob Ingebrits in the favorite, and the kind of overwhelming and brash favorite in the race. So the second place guy was Josh Curly from Great Britain, but he was seen as the other guy that could maybe win the race, and it was Hawker who came from behind in a thrilling fashion. So I was excited to watch those races. The men and women have done a lot better in track than they did in swimming when they kind of sucked, at least by American standards, they didn't win a lot of medals and that kind of affected the medal count, and now the USA is kind of pulling ahead again overall. A lot of silvers and bronzes early, but now they're getting some more gold. So what have you found the most exciting, interesting in the Olympics so far? I too watched some of the volleyball games, the War of the Inghor side, I guess, and a lot of it's swimming, and some of the track and field events too. I missed the 100 meter, I had to watch it later on replay at least anyway, that four by four hundred mixed foot race one was nuts to like another crazy come from behind victory. Was it a Dutch runner? Pemka ball hurdler, I guess, mostly right, the Unbelievable final stretch to make up an enormous amount of ground at the very end, it was crazy to watch, and that was a fun race to see too, but after the American team had set a world record in their heat in the pre-limb side of things, which is pretty crazy to set a world record earlier in the event and then lose the gold medals, it seems crazy to you too, doesn't it? Yeah, in some cases, the relay you get, you sometimes will get a world record because usually in a relay, there aren't just the four people who run the relay, there are sometimes six or seven people on the relay team that can be in in those early rounds, and then you think you both, people that were in early, they ran fast enough and they broke a world record, maybe they can also stay in late, there's people fighting for spots, like the maybe that is sometimes the reason, unless you don't usually see world records broken in the like this individual sprint events or any of the individual events in pre-limbs, but I guess you don't want to peek too soon, but it seems like the US is peeking at the right time now, pulling ahead, the basketball, we didn't talk about basketball, US men, they beat Brazil by 35 today, sometimes he's marching, yeah, up in the 120s too, where the other teams were anywhere close to that, and some of their players, Steph Curry's had a terrible Olympics so far, he hasn't been very good, as players have been mediocre, and they're still, we're not even played like Tatum in the early rounds, right, Halbert and then play Tatum in play, yeah, it seems like this is another dream, they're very deep teams, so they don't, and not everybody, not anybody in particular has to be great at any given moment, yeah, that's the advantage of having a super deep team. But yeah, but this problem is it's only single elimination tournament, it's only one game, so having the best team doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win, it's not like they have the NBA finals where they have best of seven where they can have the off game here and they're still win, so that's, so I didn't think the US would play as well as they had when I made my initial bet, the field, I'm not feeling very good about that, I would feel much better if I were on your shoes, Andrew of having picking them to win the goal, but that's who I think is probably going to come out right now, but you never know, the Olympics are a little crazy, there's still a lot over the next few days left, any events you're looking forward to that you're excited about, breaking perhaps, I was going to ask you about that, I wanted to be, you do it because I hate it, I don't want to watch the breaking final or whatever they're calling it, I'm not, I'm not looking forward to that, yeah, I'm mostly just looking forward, I'm curious to see what, no, Liles does in the 200, which will be what happened between the time we sort this and enter it then on YouTube or the podcast networks, but I would like to see what that happens, what happens without one at least in a way too. Yeah, me too, I'm looking forward to that, yeah I want to see what happens with the men's volleyball team, I think the women are favored for gold again, or at least it seems like very like that, but the men were sort of in a kind of an upset position to be here, they're kind of an old team, most of them were kind of dads with kids on that team, so it's kind of a fun thing to watch. Did you see the, at least photos of the Turkish pistol shooter? Oh, he was awesome, yeah, I think the whole thing should involve people like that, it shouldn't have the fancy goggles and sightings, I think it should be naked eye, maybe corrective lenses that aren't, you know, spy tech heavy, and the Turkish guy who just kind of leaned back and just had his hand in his pocket, and he probably has a cigarette normally while he's doing it, and he got second, he's the European champion, he's like, yeah, he like, nobody, he's the only person that does it like that, and that's, yeah, it's a fun one. Great, and there were so many great lines about it too, like we thought some people thought maybe he was like a retired hit man, who just sort of showed up, he was like, I'm gonna just go ahead and compete in the Olympics right now, and then, you know, it's a silver metal. Yeah. It's pretty cool though, it looked cool, hey, he was cool, yeah, yeah, but that's one of those fun things about the Olympics, that is one of those fun things about the Olympics, I was like, you never know what's going to be interesting from it, it could be anything from any of them, any part of it. Modern Patathlon still hasn't happened yet, are you going to tune in for that? I watched some of the other equestrian events, I watched the cross country equestrian event today, or he's part of the team final, and that was kind of fun. It had happened a few days ago, but I was watching with my daughter, because she always wants to watch the horse stuff, so it was kind of fun to watch, but it was, I don't know if I'll watch Modern Patathlon or not, but some of the highlights. The Tathlon, or Hep Tathalons, you like watching those, like the sort of all around. I usually only care if it is American involved, kind of like the pole vault, there's a world record pole vault performance, did you hear about that? No. It's a guy from Sweden, but he's actually from the United States and he's lived in the United States, Armand Duplantis, he went to LSU, which I'm like Louisiana, but his mom is Swedish, so he's on the Swedish national team, but he set the world record in the pole vault, so it was over, you know, over 20 feet, but yeah, so he's, but he, I was just looking at him, because he, after he won the gold medal, he posed in the same way that Yusuf DeKech posed his shooting, so that was his celebration, with the kind of hip, the relaxed, but fierce shooting position, great, but yeah, there's still a lot of things left, a lot of boxing, a lot of Taekwon Do, you don't watch any of those finals? Um, probably not, like catch some random stuff, yeah, I never know, like a lot of them watch the read the, you know, evening, you know, primetime sort of recap show, and you don't know what they're gonna put on there as the, what they, what they thought were the most important events of the day, so I may catch some of that, but it, yeah, I don't, I don't plan on specifically tune in to any of the, like, the wrestling or boxing matches, so how about you? Do you watch any of the gymnastics with Simone Biles, the winning gold again, but then there were kind of disappointing on the individual apparatus event finals, uh, once, you know, silver medal for, yeah, I don't know what you want to do, yeah, like, kind of, we're all, I thought, I thought it was a fairly sloppy Olympics in terms of execution, it was not as, um, I think, I think the difficulty was very high, I think, and that's why they got so many points, but there was a lot of, I thought sloppiness on, on landings and things like that. Uh, so it was not, it was not the most graceful and beautiful of, well, in the competition, I think you're being like, I think you're going to say like the, uh, they were saying it was sloppy and like the execution of the, like, how the events were, were run or something is what I thought you were. No, no, this is how they, this is how like, just for gymnastics, but I mean, um, it seemed to have a lot of like bad landings and like out of bounds penalties and like falls on the balance being, they were doing very difficult routines, which is the reason they won is because their difficulty was much higher than a lot of the other teams. But it looked a little, uh, I thought, um, it wasn't, like Simone Biles, this time was not as good as she was four years ago or, or the four years before that, but she was still better because she was competing at this higher, his higher level of difficulty, uh, on all of her starts basically, and that's kind of how the U.S. women were doing, but it wasn't, it wasn't like, uh, they, they've really mastered, I think, how to win at the Olympics, but it's, it wasn't as visually pleasing as some of the other ones I didn't think, um, it was because, because in some ways, I, like, as a lay person, I don't see how difficult one difficult skill is, how more, how much more difficult that difficult skill is versus another one, but I can see like, oh, they didn't land very well or they, uh, at that a balance there, I can see that that was, um, you know, not as good, but I think it's easier to tell with the, with like diving because they rate, you can see like each dive is rated, like a 3.7 or 3.4, you know, or 3.1, like, how difficult it is while they're doing it, so you, you can kind of like see it going through and gymnastics and everything that's like, oh, this is a three point, you know, this is a, you know, this, this level of skill, uh, seventh move of this sequence is this level of difficulty. They don't, they don't show that directly on the screen. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's harder to, harder to follow as a, as a lay person, I think, but did you catch any of like this synchronized diving? I did. I did. I saw the, I saw the Chinese win and I saw the, um, was the Canadian team, I think the guy, the Mexican team that did really well. Yeah. Part of that I had seen at least in Mexico. Mexican usually does pretty well in diving because of like the cliff diving tradition in Acapulco and places like that. Yeah. But apparently they were talking about how the Mexican diving federation basically has no money now because like the, the Mexican Olympic federation did not want to give them any money anymore or something. So they were like, but yeah, Mexican divers are actually usually fairly good. Um, that's one of their best events in the Olympics. Um, but, uh, yeah, uh, do you want to move off in the Olympics too? Uh, sure. Maybe, maybe, maybe real quickly before we do move on though, there's still some pretty big events left like we sort of somewhat expect like no allows to win the 200 meter. Yeah. US men's and women's basketball teams are at least somewhat likely to win gold. Women's soccer team. Uh, potentially there are lots of other sort of other events that Americans may win in the, surely the US team is 26 gold medals. Do you think that they're going to threaten that, uh, 40 and a half number that you and I have bets on around this? You'd be under IV over. I like, I like worried now or either you're still confident that they're on the cap out before that. 40. I'm more worried than I was. I am more confident. I, I still fairly confident they won't make it. I'd be happy if they did really, but I lose the bet. But, um, I, I, it was because the swimming wasn't very good by American standards that there was, they were a lot lower. And I think they've, they've, they've, the track and field have kind of made up for that. They've gotten more medals and, uh, gold medals and things that nobody really expected them to, because I don't know if really people thought that Lyles was going to win the 100 meters. Yeah. If, um, you know, no, certainly the 1500 was not expected, but on the men's side. Right. So like some of those, I think there's, there's been a couple of surprise, like in the, in the pool, there were no surprise, like good surprises in the pool. There were some disappointment surprises like, oh, uh, this person didn't medal or this person didn't even make the final or something like that. But there was no, oh, this American, who was the second one coming in, ended up winning the gold medal over the first American who got silver. You know, it was, there was none of that in the Olympics. It was all like, okay, heavy favorite Katie Ledecky wins her long races where she was the slight underdog. She didn't win that race. Right. Um, you know, it was like, and the man didn't really have anything, um, like, so like, it was, so this was the week, one of the weaker, I think one of the weaker, uh, swim meets, if you want to call it that, uh, for the US in recent memory. But, um, so that, and that's, and that's an event where so many medals can be won. And like, so you see, like, Australia had more gold medals than the United States did for what? For most of the first week of the Olympics, because the Australians did really well in the pool. Um, and that just gives so many medals. Yeah. Yeah. And then every second weekend is dominated a lot by the, uh, my track and field, which is a similar number of a lot of medals out for grabs. But it's something that also, I think it seems, it seems more different to me than the swimming does. Swimming is just like, oh, we swim in slightly different distances, slightly different ways to get there. But you have, you have, in track, if you have, okay, there's some jumping over things that's a little, that's different, from just running and then just throwing things and then swimming on your, on your stomach. Now you're on your back. So it's totally different. Yeah. I think there should be a backwards walking, or, uh, I think that would be just as good or backwards running. Uh, that would be just as good. Like distant car distance, cart wheeling, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Three, like three legged races, something something, wow, pay sex, something that you would have at a kid's carnival. But I think, I think there's a lot of room, um, really, but I like, I, I like watching the swimming too. But it's something that it seems like there's, I mean, it's, it's also like judo and takwondo. There's so many metals too, because every slight difference in weight gets its own metal. Um, but it's, it's not the same people competing in all the events. It's one, you know, it's one person in each weight class. So it's a little different, but you can still rack up lots of metals in things like that. And like the USA used to rack up a lot of metals and stuff like boxing, but, um, I think now I think the USA usually like to get like one or two gold metals in boxing. Even in the, in the frequently, there's a much surprising actually went between a way. Yeah. The, the boxing metals, you should come from some Asian country or some like former Soviet Republic. Uh, and yeah, it's not, it's, it's a weird, uh, and Olympic boxing is very different from professional boxing, which is also kind of just on the, on the, uh, you know, on this waning around the world. You think that ultimate fighting should be an Olympic, uh, sport? I mean, I get, you know, I mean, it's just the mixed versions of all of those individual. Yeah, right. I mean, I mean, there are a lot of, a lot of the, uh, disciplines that go into like next martial arts, you know, are, are Olympic events. So it wouldn't be that big of a stretch to, to include at least some of that in, in, you know, an Olympic event. But I don't, I don't know why you would add, yeah, just combinations of those in MMA. I just was looking up. It was in the 2023 African games. No. Uh, actually, which, which occurred in 2024, the most recent African games, so there wasn't. Okay. So maybe they're, they're laying the groundwork to add it, but I, I don't, I don't know what what the point would be in, in adding, yeah, just like blending events that already are in the Olympics together. You'd have to add like some more protective headwear and things like that to MMA stuff. Like they don't really, and it seems like it goes against the appeal of those. You know, they're, they don't tend to be like knockouts and Olympic boxing though. Are they typically? No, because they, because they also have head gear. You do when I head gear, yeah. Um, and so, and for a while, it was like a weird point system, like, where like, even barely touching somebody would get a point. Like, it would just, it would just, like a reward, like jabbers rather than like big punch. Like it wasn't, it wasn't like, um, you know, the Olympic, I mean, the modern boxing judges, which like give 10 points to the winner and nine points, usually to the loser of the round. Uh, they, there's a huge gap between the two and then it might be a 10 to eight round or something instead of a 10 or they'll have like a penalty on both sides or something. And yeah. But, um, that's how MMA is scored also if you watch any of that too. So it is similar scoring, boxing, I guess, at least anyway. Yeah. Um, did you just, how's your bet? Your bets are going pretty well though. Dr. Scott in the Olympics mine and accessible, especially the helps with the in golf, I think, where you and I had it, competing Americans were your choice. I would do quite well very early on. And then the shuffle was he was doing great. But then, and then my choice ended up pulling it out of the end and nine hundred bar and last round to win. So that was a, that was a, that was a long odds too. Both of those are pretty long odds. Yeah. You were looking good earlier, but yeah, I didn't even go and go in my way. Which is pretty cool though. And out of all of the, uh, you know, offers that we could have chosen from that we did have two leaders at different times and then in their tournament. So yeah, we, we, we knew what we were doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see if we know by the end of the Olympics. Yeah. I think, well, yeah. So will we know all the results from, uh, on our next episode, I think we will, right? Yeah, we will. It's by Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday. I mean, we'll, we'll record next Tuesday and the Olympics are over on Sunday. If it wraps, yes, Sunday, right? Is that right? Sunday. Yeah. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Yeah. So you and I are going to be head to head on a couple of events here with the, uh, yeah, USA versus the field and the men's basketball and then the gold medal. Oh no. So that'll be, yeah. The definers and how you and I do on our competition against each other anyway. Yeah. It's true. And yeah. Uh, some of the other events didn't end the way we wanted like tennis, uh, our guys were out early, our doubles teams. And then also our least favorite. Yeah. No, I know. Tennis tennis competitive. It was like a seven, six, seven, six. It was like one of those things where like that's not really a win. He should have, you know, that's not really, there's not really set wins. Those are just tiebreaker wins and yeah, that's the best of three. So it's kind of, you know, it's kind of a raw deal. I know that I just don't like juggle a bunch. Oh well. He's the Eastern European strongman of tennis and I don't care for him. But how do you really feel about a trick of which Mike's? Not my favorite. Um, yeah. But speaking of, of, uh, not maybe, maybe, uh, our favorite's not doing so well. Uh, recently the royals have maybe fallen. They've, they've been up and down and over the last couple of days, however, they've been playing against their, they're maybe the biggest, one of their biggest rivals to having a wild card spot in the playoffs. And that's the Boston Red Sox. And the royals have lost too straight down at Boston after winning two out of, was it three out of four against Detroit or two out of three against Detroit? Three out of four against Detroit after having swept the White Sox. They had won, they'd gone six and one on the road trip and then now they're going to at home, almost came back tonight. They've had a lot of almost come back. It seems like they were down six, three and then they, uh, we're, then they lost six, five tonight to the Red Sox. And the Lugo start not doing so well, they lost a singer start the night before. So it's after Reagan's tomorrow for the royals to salvage anything from the series. But we're only one and a half, they're only one half game up in the third, with the third wild card right now. So it's, it's kind of touching go. Hopefully the royals can do a little bit better. What do you think is, it's hard to say what's wrong with the royals since they're doing so well, they're 11 games over 500. They're 63 and two, I think right now. But I know you have some theories about what's, what's wrong with the royals and what's been, what's, why they've lost some of these close games. What do the royals need to do to improve and to kind of shore up these weaknesses that they have? One of the, I mean, one of the biggest things that we, we've talked about repeatedly here is both end usage. And it seems to be quite amazing that, that a team could make the same mistake, not just inning to inning, but then in, in usage, like having a reliever finish an inning successfully, and then come in to start the next inning for no reason, that not doing well, then aftering the next guy up to do the same thing in the following, the following, but then repeating those mistakes three games later with the exact same players in the same situations with Zirpa and Stratton is shocking. Like, how just like, bowl and stupid, some of these moves can be. I don't understand how someone can make the same, that same mistake. That's very obvious before it was made the first time, which is to make it like essentially four times in, within a week stretch, using the same players, even not like even with different guys. It's the same two guys that were done both times and back to back in games where they both failed miserably in the same scenario. It's just really, it's really maddening to watch. And then also some of the lineups that are said still don't make sense. It just, it seems like the addition of Paul DeYoung, who has been quite successful in the little bit of, you know, game time that he has seen, and he's driven in a couple runs, at least already, and affected some of the games he's been in. But it seems like he's just taking time away from Adam Frasier, which is okay, but it's not, they're not, you know, leaving him in more often, you know, To get to a rhythm or something, yeah. So it's, so it's like, and I don't think anybody benefits from this. So it's like, if they're going to devote Frasier to like, pinch hitting and defensive replacement rolls, then he probably shouldn't get a random start anymore. Like, he should just be in that role unless someone gets injured and then he can move up. Otherwise, he should be just relegated to that role. So he's still getting some playing time, but minute of the DeYoung's expense, who maybe is the more interesting player at this point in time, that may actually be more helpful for the team to stretch. It is really unfortunate to see them struggling against their most immediate competitor in Boston. So like the one team they actually need to beat is Boston, and they have been behind in both games that they played so far. The point where they were like, you know, trying to catch up, but unsuccessful, because they just get too big of a hole, basically. Yeah. Do you think they have a chance to salvage tomorrow? It should be Reagan's on the mound, I believe. Yeah, Reagan's gonna pitch. So it's been, and also it's been frustrating because it's been the Royals one, two, three best pitchers that have played in this series. And it hasn't, now, and now they're in like a weird order, though, too. They're no longer in the same. One, two, three, it's kind of the three, one, two, one, maybe, or even three, one, two, yeah, I'm not sure. But it hasn't even been the right socks, best pitchers going up against them. So like the Royals haven't been really matching up against, it's been the Royals best. They should have had the advantage of the first two games, and they lost both those games. And I don't know who's going up against Reagan's tomorrow. Do you have that? I can't have it in just a brief moment here. It looks like a Crawford. Okay, so Crawford's one of the top ones for the, I think, yeah. In the Royals, I don't think did very well against him in his last start against Casey. So that doesn't bode well, at least offhand. So I guess maybe, you know, the Royals have seen him pitch before. So maybe they will have learned something from the first time, but I would not beholden my wrath. They don't seem to be preparing very well in a lot of these games as they don't seem to be scoring when he runs early in the games as of late. So it seems like other teams need to be out preparing for them than they are preparing for their opponents. So yeah, there's an unfortunate thing with a young team that he would help that they would be encouraged to be more prepared for some of these matchups. Yeah, so I think this is a team still that hasn't, it's not used to doing well in winning, so I don't think they're used to playing good teams. So maybe they just don't quite know how to you know, come out strong against a good team. Maybe they're, I don't know, maybe they're a little sluggish, maybe they're a little feel the pressure on and the way that they didn't think they would early this season. So maybe maybe they're pressing a little bit. Like for most of this game, it seemed like, you know, the top three in the lineup, Massey wit and past wantino each had hits, but then nobody else did until the eighth inning, basically. So this, you know, I think the lineup from top to bottom, or at least in more, you know, some of the bottom of the lineup needs to, needs to play better against these good teams because you can't just beat the wit and past watch show. Yeah, sure, or salvage show depending. It's, you know, yeah. Do you think it seems like earlier in the season, like the best and sound play was when Massey was hitting behind him. And I don't know why they have not gone back to that. It seems like they're determined to find someone to fit into that leadoff spot. Yeah, whatever they determined to be there, yeah, more traditional leadoff hitter. And, you know, they just have not found someone to like, you know, get three hits a game. So I don't, I still don't know why they wouldn't just move those guys up one slot and just have wit leadoff. I don't know why you would worry about that. Yeah, I think the yawn maybe could. But they haven't, they haven't tried that yet. Yeah, it almost seems like you would, you know, if they want to use like the traditional royals thing where they, you know, they want to go you know, left, right, left, right, left, right, right, all the way down the line up to try to like force pitching changes later. I don't know how important that really is. I don't think it seems to be that in class. And then the royals seem to think it is. So it seems like rather than just mover pretty up and then go instead of going left, right, go right, left with Bobby, with basketball, two, so three, that's still, you're still maintaining the right left's right. And then let's have Massey hit fourth instead of fifth. I mean, it's like, you still, it's right there. They haven't tried it. I mean, they've been trying all these other crazy lineups and nothing's really landed. I don't know why they just haven't done the simplest. I think they just want to pass up what they want with that people, people's possibly on base when he is batting. It can only be one guy on base. And it only happens the first time through the lineup when that's a scenario. Do anything in the first inning anyway. They don't do anything in the second inning. They don't do anything in the third inning. They only score runs on like the seventh, eighth, or ninth anyway. It seems like it's the only time they can score as late in the game against their other team's worst relievers is like when they manage to figure out how to hate all of a sudden. So it's, you know, and this does sound like it's just me complaining all the time, but the Royals are 11 games or 500. But we just, I think our expectations have risen so much with the team as they've managed to maintain this winning mentality, at least through the course of the season. Maybe mostly against the White Sox, though, which was when our discovery was fast. Yeah, right now, if you look at the American League Central standings, all the teams around losing streaks. Lima's lost three in a row. So the royals are still only five and a half behind Cleveland. The swings have lost one. The Detroit has lost one. And now the Chicago has lost 21 in a row. They've tied the American League record for most losses in a row, which I believe was at the Baltimore Orioles set in like the 80 early late in the last 89 or rails, I think. Yeah. When they won, they lost like the first 21 games. The first 21. Yeah. What a terrible way to start. I remember that from when I was when we were kids. I remember that. I mean, I'm bad. They were. And so this is Chicago is that bad. And so they're playing. They're playing Oakland. They are up for one right now in the seventh, but they have found lots of ways to lose games. Do you think they'll drop this one? I think they're gonna win it. So they, I guess the had the if they do lose today. Their stretch, if it goes to the 25th loss, which would set the major league record would be at home against intra city rival Chicago Cubs in in White Sox Park, whatever it's called now. Guarantee's a guarantee rate. It's a guarantee rate. So I think it may be something else now, too. But, but it's also a fireworks day. Would that be most fitting to be seemingly celebrating a major league record? I don't know. The utility record, but then would you, would you still like going to be fitting though, Mike, to have fireworks after a major league record? You know, it's not like it's celebrated. It's, it's, it's unrelated. It's, it's simple to bring people into the ballpark because they're real us fireworks, but it could be a well attended game. It's not like the, I think the funniest fireworks have been the, was it was it when Mark Quinn finally walked after a 200 at the consecutive at bats or something like that of not walking. That's pretty good. That was, that was funny. Yeah. They actually, you know, thought about it and then and send off the fireworks. It's fantastic stuff. Yeah. So I think, uh, unless, unless the fireworks were all kind of like duds or something like that, maybe that would be appropriate. But I think I still, I don't think they're going to break that lawyer. I think they're going to win against the ace tonight. That's my, um, that's my hope. And this is going to go long enough that we're going to be able to watch the end of it probably since we have so much more. We can check back in and talk about this has been, this is going to be a one-and-a-track two-hour power hour, just like our last week's episode I think was since we're moving on to football. Now, I don't see if any more baseball to talk about. Um, there's been some football news in that, um, for the 49ers, uh, Brent, the, Brent and Iyuk who wants a new contract. Uh, it seems like now maybe he is going to get traded kind of Tyree Hill style by the 49ers to some other team before the season starts. Uh, I think the Patriots are involved as possible, as possible suitors, the Browns and the Steelers, all AFC opponents of the Chiefs potentially. Which team would you most like to see Iyuk go to, uh, which team do you think you would be the best fit for? Uh, it seems like the best fit would almost have to be Pittsburgh with actually having, you know, one or two options at quarterback that may be useful. Um, but it seems like, you know, just in how the NFL seems to work, like they, when they, when a watershed gets traded, it's not necessarily to the best team, one of the best opportunity. I think it'd be most amusing if he ends up in New England, and I think you're going to agree with me there. Is that, uh, is that what you're thinking? I definitely want him to go to New England. I think that's the funniest destination. Cause it's like, he's leaving the, one of the, one of the premier teams of the, of the league to go right now to what is one of the worst after, you know, the post bill of Belichick. Um, and working quarterback, perhaps, uh, you know, New England Patriots with Drake May or Billy Brissette as quarterback. And that really a whole lot of offensive firepower there. You know, like you said in Pittsburgh, yeah, he's joining a pretty good offensive team. The George Pickens, got the great running game. Uh, there's some, uh, good, uh, you know, good pieces there. Cleveland, the same thing. You know, Mark Cooper, Nick Chubb, if he comes back, uh, you know, you know, if DeShawn Watson is able to, you know, if he can't play with IUC and Cooper, uh, he's, you know, he's really kind of washed up, it seems. So, you know, and that's a really tough division in Cleveland, that's playoff aspirations. They were in the playoffs last year. You know, Pittsburgh was in the playoffs last year. Those, those are two AFC North teams that maybe that could put them over the top in the division, you think? So. I think having in the AFC East with what is pretty cut and dried, it seems like the worst team in the AFC East and maybe, maybe outside a couple of teams, one of the worst teams in the AFC, uh, that would be, that would be kind of a funny fitting place for him to go. Uh, what do you think he would just be like, and never mind, uh, you know, don't, don't trade me. I'll just wait one more year to your free agent and then go wherever, wherever you want, right? Rather than, you know, being at the mercy of what, you know, what deal your team can work out for you. That seems riskier, a lot riskier. Yeah. I'm not sure why you'd want to do it, especially if that's one of the possibilities. Like realistically, if, if he knows that New England is a possibility, he doesn't want to go there. Maybe he should just, you know, withdraw his trade request so he can't happen, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's not a whole lot of chiefs news other than the, uh, we talked this before, we're going to lay out the potential assassination threat against, uh, Patrick Mahalms, Travis Kelsey, the Morgan Wallen concert by some disgruntled Illinois fan. I don't know if he was a Packers fan or a Bears fan. Uh, he was not a Chiefs supporter. Uh, he was upset about the Chiefs winning and that was the reason they delayed the concert and all sorts of things happen. But, uh, uh, we also see him in Kansas City too, in Kansas City. Yeah. Yeah. Um, we also have the Harrison Butker contract news that Butker is now the highest paid kicker in the NFL. You think he was wise to spend that much money on Butker? Is he our, our kicker is using the, I think we both think the kickers are fairly fungible. Uh, but Butker, Butker has been one of the best. He's been really solid with playoffs. Mm hmm. You know, so, and it seems like maybe the Chiefs have a little bit of money in the sour cap to like the spendums and they don't really have people to spend it on. So maybe why not spend a little bit on Butker who's been a solid kicker and, uh, you know, I don't know if you want to call him a model citizen given his, uh, uh, some of his right wing political views, but he, he hasn't, uh, he's got any car accidents or, uh, punched anybody or something like that. So, Yeah. I mean, it seems like his role may be minimized on kickoffs. This coming season too with the new kickoff rule changes. Mm hmm. It seems a little strange to, you know, spend money there. If you know the guy's raw P somewhat smaller this year from what he has been doing in the past. So, uh, especially if you know what was valued heavily. I'm not just on the scoring points, but it was also to like, you know, not allow returns to happen. And that's, um, you know, that's been, you know, rule changed out in existence, essentially. So, uh, it's a little odd, uh, seems like now to, to, to make that, the deal, but, you know, yeah, you know, it's the most wondering how rewarding past, you know, history and more than, you know, what you're more than paying what you're expecting to get out of them from the next, you know, year and beyond with what the contract was. I think you also wonder how effective he's going to be in kicking with a new holder, uh, Matt Ariza, uh, who, you know, it took, it, you know, suppose it took Tommy Townsend a while to get to be a great holder for buck care, at least according to some observers and whether, who knows whether Ariza can, uh, do it well or not. He's been, you know, he seems like as a punter, he's been, you know, taking 75 yard punts routinely in training camp. Uh, so he's, you know, really good at that, you know, I don't, it's another thing. Maybe he also could be a kickoff specialist. Is he, can he kick off? Um, he was a kicker, I think, in college too. So, you know, maybe, maybe you do some stuff, but he also don't, you know, I don't know if he's a bigger guy than, but Gary, he's a, I think, but I think still ideally, you know, you want maybe the kickoff specialist to be, uh, you know, a non specialist player. You want him to be just a leader, Lewis, Rhys, Zaman, or somebody that can be more physical and get involved in the tackle, you know, you don't want, but Kirtu, you don't want Ariza to because they're not used to that. And it's not their, it's not usually their job is to, it's like, you know, you want, uh, you know, you want your, one of your designated, you want your designated hitter to come from the, uh, you know, the field players, not from the pitching staff usually unless you have to show you a ton. Uh, you know, so it's, it's one of those things, I think. Um, but yeah, it's hard to say what Buckner's new role will be in the new, in the new kickoff here. Did you watch any of the Hall of Fame game, the first preseason game? I didn't see any of it. I heard about like, about the kicking specifically, though. I don't, did you, did you watch? I didn't always see any of it. I saw a couple of things, but like, they seem all pretty uneventful. The returns, none of them were in the game, in the game was right. Yeah. So they didn't play, they didn't complete it, but they said there were, there were eight kickoffs. I think nothing went past the 31. Yeah, there were no, there was only one touch back. So it's limiting the number of touchbacks that's making it a play, but it's hard to say whether that's going to be a big play, frequent big player or not. Um, but so nothing, you know, eventful, I guess is very, yeah, what you would say, but, but there were, um, returns. So there were a large number of returns, right? Like, yeah, nearly 80% returns, or had, had a return play, which is, you know, basically the, you know, flipped ratio from what it was probably last. Yeah, let's just, it was just, um, begin in the end zone and, uh, touchback. No. It was, no, it's not a must, must see TV. So speaking of must see TV, should we move on to our quarterback, uh, and we, we do have one additional quarterback to add to the list from last week. Our last team that we talked about, the Carolina Panthers in the NFC South, we mentioned there are three quarterbacks at that time, Bryce Young, Andy Dalton, and Jack Plummer, in relation to Jake Plummer, Jack Plummer. Uh, but, uh, the parents over the last couple of days, they did sign a fourth quarterback to join that quarterback room. And that is, and that is a Jake, Jake Luton, uh, six foot six, 28 year old, who played for Idaho, Ventura Community College in Oregon. Um, he was a 28, 26th round pick by Jacksonville, and he started three games in that 2020 season, replacing Minshoo in that, uh, in the COVID season. Um, he's since then he's bounced around, he's from the Jaguars, to the Seahawks, to the Dolphins, back to the Jags, to the Saints, to the Panthers, back to the Saints, now back to the Panthers. Um, he's mainly been a practice squad guy. He only has 473 yards passing, two touchdowns, six interceptions, 54.5 quarterback rating. So maybe that says, well, um, maybe he's the third quarterback instead of Plummer, who was undracked free agent out of Louisville. Maybe they think of him as somebody who they want a third quarterback with some experience or at least a little bit of age. I don't know. Um, or maybe he's just a camp body, but that's, that's, uh, Jake Luton. Have you done any research on Jake Luton? Yeah, they have not added him, uh, in spot track though. So, okay, so it was, spot track so far does not think much of this signing, I guess. So, well, the rest of our quarterbacks will be, uh, on spot track. And, um, I think, well, do you want to start with the NFC North? Yes, we're still working our way to West East. I think so. Yeah. I think, I remember last year we did do alphabetically, but I think the first time we did that we did West East. And so, so this is a throwback. This is a throwback to West East. They're back to our, our, our, you know, seasoned viewers of Warren Frank Power, our season listeners, or remember that, that, that first quarterback preview season, uh, and say, oh yeah, they went for West East. I wonder why they gave that up. Um, but today we will go West East again. Um, and so the, the western most team in the NFC North is the home of, uh, now vice presidential candidate for the Democratic Party, Governor Tim Walz, uh, not Walz, as I, uh, was thinking it might be Tim Walz, uh, who, uh, is the new, uh, vice presidential nominee. And we'll see how he does for the, uh, in the, in the election, and digital debates, but, uh, I'm sure he's a big Vikings fan. Um, and, but I'm not sure anybody is a big fan of the quarterbacks of the Vikings. Uh, there's some potential there, but there's also some, maybe squandered potential, uh, with a lot of these guys, um, speaking of experience though, there's experience. And in a way, this is the most experienced and maybe the most competitive, and maybe the strongest quarterback room from top to bottom, at least in the, uh, NFC North for sure. There's a lot of maybe weaknesses, it seems like among the quarterbacks in the North after, especially once you get past the starters. Uh, but not with the Vikings, who they don't, they don't have a clear cut starter. Um, right now their starter and quarterback is Sam Darnold, um, 27 years old, six foot three, famously, uh, number three overall picked by the Jets in 2018 out of USC. He played three years with the Jets. He was with Carolina two years. Last year, here's with the 49ers. Uh, this is his first year with Minnesota. His career record as a starter is 21 and 35. He has a career 59.7 completion percentage, which isn't so great. You want to be, at least in today's NFL comfortably above 60, uh, percent. Um, hopefully around 65, it seems like most of the quarterbacks are caught right now. Um, 63 touchdowns, 56 interceptions, 78.3 ratings. So not terribly good. He started one game last year with the 49ers. He lost to the Rams who had Carson Wentz, I believe, starting that game. It was the last game of the, uh, season, or both teams, I think we're sure to play off position. Um, he did throw a run for a touchdown, however. So how long is he's going to be the starter? Is there still something there? Could he maybe, if he plays well, maybe he could keep the starting job longer, uh, than new people think? Um, I think that's an interesting, uh, you know, interesting ideas to have. Maybe this is, maybe this is, you know, Baker Mayfield kind of had a rebirth. You know, the famous, who was drafted number one overall that season. I think a lot of people thought Donald was maybe the better prospect than Mayfield was. Mayfield was, had the, uh, better, uh, maybe pedigree coming out of Oklahoma and the Heisman Trophy, but I think people thought Donald might be the best prospect, uh, that year. Uh, turns out that, uh, Josh Allen was the best prospect that year. And Lamar Jackson was close behind, but they were picked, uh, after both Donald and Mayfield. He's also the Josh, also famous with the Josh Rosen year. He was really, uh, being even the biggest bust of, of those guys. I don't think usual, or, uh, Rosen, but, um, so do you think there's still something there with Donald? What do you think of, uh, Samuel L. Darnold, I don't love his middle name as hell or not, but. Well, just assume it is. But, uh, yeah, I mean, it really just, you know, it's going to be like, yeah, which quarterback Flickswell or, or does Darnold Flickwell with Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, right? So, uh, it's really just going to come down to that, haven't it? Yeah. It's Samuel Richard Darnold, R. Darnold. He left and right. Yeah, left and right. Yeah. I don't want to get into it. The full opposite of Samuel L. Or Jackson. Supposedly, but certain countries that mix up the Ls and the Rs in their, uh, languages, uh, when they speak English, but I want more good at that. But, um, did you know, did you know, did you know, have you seen the, uh, Dwight Schrute comparisons to Samuel Darnold? He does look a little bit like Dwight Schrute, uh, is he, is he appreciate the, uh, the beats and the, uh, that'll start a lot ago? I, I'm sure he does. Yeah. Yeah. If you look up, uh, there are some, uh, memes, uh, about Dwight Schrute. You'll look up Dwight Schrute, Sam Darnold. You'll see a few, uh, images of him looking like Dwight. But, uh, yeah, I'm not sure. I think, I think Darnold still has a chance of being a good quarterback. And I'm not so sure exactly how great the, um, first round draft pick of the, uh, uh, Minnesota Vikings will be. He's still very young. So I think maybe Darnold could be the starter for most of this year, if not the whole season. Uh, if they do fairly well, you know, have a sort of. Alex Smith kind of renaissance in the way that, you know, everybody thought Smith was a bust until several years into his career. He was a highly drafted player from now the pack 12 or what was once the pack 12. Um, I don't think, I don't think when Smith was drafted Utah was in the pack. Well, I think it was still Mountain West, uh, but, um, yeah, but, uh, what is, how much money is Sam Darnold making this year? He's the highest paid quarterback, I believe, on the roster. Yeah, it's not excessive by any means, you know, a mere five million for this season. Five million. Yeah, he's still only 27. So he's not, I mean, it's not that long ago that he was, he's been in the year six years. Yeah. This is actually a seventh season. He's going to be in the league, which is, you know, he's only a couple years old. He's, he's the same age as, uh, that's invented. Uh, now that's coming into his, uh, first year or second year. Yeah. He's only a year older than one of the, the second year quarterback on the same on the Vikings, we'll talk about. Yes. He's only, he's not, he's not, he's not that old, uh, but his, his, and so the, the Vikings also drafted, uh, JJ McCarthy, uh, number 10 overall, which is a little bit of a surprise. They actually traded up a little bit to get him. Um, I think, you know, the, the Vikings, of course, last year had Kirk cousins and are trying to replace cousins. So they brought Donald in and they needed a quarterback. Um, and they decided to go up and get JJ McCarthy, uh, 21 years old, six foot three, like Donald, uh, number 10 overall pick, uh, by the Vikings from Michigan. Uh, most notably, of course, he won the national championship, uh, at Michigan. He wasn't really, though, asked to do a whole lot in, uh, Jim Harbaugh's run heavy offense. He did lead his team to a 15 and a record this year, but he only, in 15 games, he only threw for 2630 yards. So less than 200 yards a game, but 19 touchdowns for interceptions as a senior. So good touchdown and reception ratio, 74.2 completion percentage, so very high, completion percentage. He actually maybe had a little bit better, uh, season as a junior where he threw for 20 touchdowns, only three picks. Uh, but he had a 27 and one record as a starting quarterback at Michigan, which I believe is an NCAA record for best, um, winning percentage, uh, among at least recent record, uh, as sorry, quarterback. So he, uh, was really, really good at Michigan, but he did. Yeah. Like we said, like I said, he wasn't asked to do a whole lot. And in the NFL, quarterbacks are asked to do a lot more than they are and usually, um, in college, especially. So it's hard to say, you know, harm about himself was a quarterback. So maybe he's, you know, he's good at developing quarterbacks, but his team, you know, didn't really use him that much. He just, you know, handed the ball off and let the guys, uh, you know, let the running backs, uh, take care of things mostly. So it's hard to say how good McCarthy is going to be, but he's still only 21. So he's a lot younger than some of the other, uh, courties, you know, he's younger than what mentioned Kayla Williams. He's, uh, almost two years younger than Kayla Williams. Uh, he's saying almost, he's about two years younger than Jayden Daniels as well. I don't know. So he's, he's, he's somebody who maybe still has a lot of upside, uh, to, um, but, you know, winning the national championship, uh, gives you a little more flexibility and ability to try to break into the NFL a little earlier, I guess, too, again. Yeah. No. Good for him. Yeah. That's McCarthy. Um, he, he designed his sort of standard 10th overall pick. Uh, what's he making this year? Uh, just shy of four million for this guy, a little less than Donald, but, uh, the quarterbacks in general, probably for the Vikings aren't making a whole lot. They're probably paying, uh, their quarterbacks. Well, Diggies, Jordan Love hasn't hit his new contract yet. So, uh, there's some of the lowest, uh, there's some of the lowest salaries here, um, in the league. I guess the, the, the bears haven't hit their big numbers yet, either. They're going to be low. So really it's only the only the lions who are paying quarterback so much better. Seems like out of that. Yeah. Minnesota is in the bottom quarter. Yeah. 26th in that total QB salary. That's a team. So yeah, 26th, 32. What is Green Bay? Uh, Green Bay moved up quite a bit because I think Jordan Love is, isn't the, the full contract is in the, isn't balloon yet. I think he's getting paid something like 20 million this year. So they're at 13th. Okay. We're a little higher than them, but yeah, it's 22 million, 22 and 1/2 million for Green Bay, uh, Minnesota is like 12 million. So 10 million dollar savings. The discount, basically. They've got a lot of, a lot of youth, a lot of youth in one upside on their long term look, at least anyway, with McCarthy and, and they have a bit of a veteran, but like, doesn't have all the mileage, maybe, as some of the other veterans do. Yeah. Two of the guys on the, on the roster. I'm not sure he's the third quarterback, maybe the fourth quarterback. I'll mention Jaren Hall. He's 26 years, 26 years old. This is only his second year in the league. He's already 26, but he's from BYU. So he probably had a Mormon mission. So a lot of the BYU guys are a little older coming out of Brigham Young. He's 23/5th round pick for BYU. He was actually the first black quarterback to start for BYU. Trigill Latter-day Saints is a very interesting history with African-Americans and black people in general. But first black quarterback to start the BYU, the former backup to Zach Wilson as a senior in 2022. Jaren Hall passed over 3,100 yards, 31 touchdowns, six interceptions. So more yards and touchdowns, of course, than McCarthy had in his season playing, you know, playing in similar competition. You know, it's like a big 12 versus a big 10. He also ran for three touchdowns. The 16 and 8 record is a starter at BYU. He also started two games last season for the Vikings, but he didn't finish either game. One of them was, he got a concussion very early on. And I believe that's when Joshua Dobbs came in. He also had a halftime benching as well. His stats last year, he only was 13 for 20 for 168 yards. One interception, no touchdown, 70.4 ratings. So he got into a couple of games last year. It's 5th round pick, so maybe a project, but he's surely been supplanted as the project by McCarthy. And he's not that young either. He's already 26. So he's, you know, he's maybe on the outside looking, maybe a practice squad guy, because there's also another third quarterback. By salary, he's definitely the project. Yeah, he's just under a million. And the guy you're going to talk about next is about is over 2 million. Who he is. Nick Mullins, 29 years old, 6'1". 2017 undrafted free agent from Southern Miss. Maybe the second most successful quarterback from Southern Miss. After one Brett Favre, who was, of course, had some interesting adventures in Mississippi over the last few years with his COVID schemes and things like that. But Mullins most famously spent four seasons with San Francisco. They just bounced around with the Eagles, the Browns, the Raiders, and the Vikings. He's actually been with Minnesota for three seasons now, did you? Were you aware that he'd been there so long? Well, and we would have covered two of them, and I did not remember it either. Yeah, he started three games last year for the Vikings. He was five and 15 first careers at start at most different San Francisco. Over the years, he's passed for more than 6,000 yards, 34 touchdowns, 31 interceptions, 88.1 quarterback rating, which I was surprised at. That was pretty high. That's 10 points higher than Darnold's quarterback rating. Although he didn't play most of his games in the famously quarterback friendly, Kyle Shanahan system. Yeah. So, you know, the question is maybe what do we do with Mullins or or Jared Hall? As a third quarter, do we keep both of them? Do we keep Hall on the practice squad? Can Mullins? I don't know. So, you know, maybe you think Mullins might even be the backup right now ahead of McCarthy, depending on where McCarthy's development might be. Maybe he's somebody that if Darnold gets injured during the game, you put Mullins in and maybe wait for McCarthy to have him prepare for the next game rather than coming into the game immediately, something like that. Yeah, strategically, that would make a lot of sense, especially early in the season if Mullins is the official backup. You would think that maybe they would just plan on having McCarthy have like a Patrick Holmes season and just watch until maybe like the last game of the season if you know, aren't a position to not need. Yeah, my Holmes was also the 10th overall pick, you might remember. So basically the same guy, right? Yeah. So, at this point, sure. Yeah, potentially. Yeah, you never know. You never know. So, Vikings, I think from top to bottom have a decent, you know, if we're not having a great stark quarterback, I think for, I think they're fairly set for present and future, you know, you could even see them sneaking into the playoffs because they have a pretty good team around, you know, that aren't the quarterbacks. And you never know with, you know, Darnold or McCarthy. And also with the rest of the division, as we'll talk about, they're what, you know, if they're like, so the Viking starter goes down, their backup is probably going to be better than the other team's backups. If their starters go down, as we'll talk about in the next few minutes. One of, as we saw, like in the last several seasons, I know we had seen how many quarterbacks actually got snaps last year. And it was like, you know, 50s, you know, number, 60s, 60s, 60s, like, it was in the 50s, like, not that far into the season. Yeah, maybe the halfway point, we'd already seen like an extra 25 courts. Because I've had at least nine corners. So, yeah, they've actually had at least four different quarterbacks to start games. So, you know, having, so maybe that's also why they have so many options that are seen as potential, potentially starter material. Unlike, you know, down to the Green Bay Packers, I think that's Green Bay's a little bit further west, I believe, than Chicago is just given the shape of the. So, that's how I have them, too. So, like, with the same thought process, at least, anyway. So, the Packers, though, have a much, it seems like at least after judging from last year. Geologists results have a much, maybe, brighter star as their starting quarterback. And that's Jordan Love, who's only choose 25, Louis 26 in November, six foot four, first round pick in 2020 from Utah State, where he was compared famously to Patrick Mahomes. He sat behind Aaron Rodgers for three seasons, except for one start against the Chiefs in 2021, where Aaron Rodgers, the vaccine doesn't deny her that he is, came up with COVID. Last year, Love was 98 as a starter. His first year starting, 64% completion percentage, 32 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, almost 4,200 yards passing. He really came on in the second half of the season. Perhaps, maybe even he's the next great Packers quarterback after Farr and Rodgers, he went one-on-one in the playoffs, defeating Dallas in the wildcard game where he had a big game, and then they lost to the 49ers in San Francisco, where he had two touchdowns, two picks and a 24-21 loss. So, he's had some real successes first year as a starter. And I think both of us, especially, I thought he was going to be a bust, but so far that hasn't proven to be the case. But maybe it's also because he wasn't thrown into the fire. So, early, he was given a chance to sit in weight and develop. Maybe he didn't need three years, but getting a year or two to sit, that made a lot of, I mean, they really helped Jordan Love. Yeah, Nilly, I mean, he was a legit quarterback on a playoff team last season, so that's not a bad trajectory. We had a good game against the Chiefs. Maybe the Chiefs, with him as their starter, it looked good in that game. So, but I think after Love, though, we have a few questions, and this is maybe a place where you think, somebody like Ryan Tanahill or a solid backup, you know, somebody who could be a starter, maybe in the right situation should come in. But right now, the Packers backup is Sean Clifford. He's now 26. He's only in a second season. Six foot two, fifth round pick from Penn State. He was a longtime starter at Penn State. 32 and 14 records a starter, 24 touchdown, seven interceptions as a senior in 2022. He has completed one pass in the NFL last year. So, for completing one pass, what do you think his quarterback rating is? He's he's throwing, he's completed one pass. What's well, it should be pretty high, right? Because it's part of it is a complete percentage, at least anyway. So, but I guess if he's thrown a lot of equally past, it could be that's got to be at least in the 70s, you would think he's completed a pass. It's 118. This was core. Oh, okay. Oh, I agree to say, he's like, he was like one for seven and and through three interceptions, actually three. Yeah. Yeah. One, he has one completed pass, but it was for 37 yards. So, that's why. So, his yards per attempt is very high. And I think completion percentage may just directly be added to the, and he's one for one. So, he's going through one pass and he completed it. So, maybe a maybe a hundred, he'll be the rating, maybe a hundred, plus whatever the, you know, ratio of the yards per attempt number is maybe a big 18 points, actually. So, that may be where where lands. Yeah. 118.7 is this quarter by grading. Yeah. So, should he be the starter? You might ask over Jordan loves to maybe maybe the Packers are enamored by this and say, wow, we have this guy Jordan, Sean Clifford, but I don't think anybody who watched Sean Clifford play in college thought he was a great quarterback. He was serviceable. So, you know, why not? Is he so the question is, is he going to be the backup? You know, he's only thrown one pass. He has one works. He has more experience than the third quarterback we have in Green Bay. So, it's a little bit strange. Why not get a veteran there? What if love gets hurt? Do we want Sean Clifford to lead the Green Bay Packers? Or do we want the Michael Pratt, the third quarterback to start six foot two, he'll be 23 in September, the end of September 2024 seventh round pick from Tulane, he's a four year starter Tulane. Maybe he's the next Brock Purdy for your college starters, seventh round draft pick career 90 touchdowns, those 26 interceptions, you know, 21 and three records of starters past two years in the last two seasons, 49 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, also fairly mobile with 15 rushing touchdowns in the last two years. But the question is, again, is this a full quarterback room? Or is it, it seems like it's missing like you want, you know, you think Jordan Love, he's still a young quarterback. Maybe you want an older, savvier veteran behind him. He's got younger guys behind him. We're not threatening for the role of the starter, but, you know, they're just in case, you know, just to hold, you know, keep the chip going in the right direction, basically. So I don't, I don't quite know what's going on with, whoops, got something here, what's going on with the Packers. Because you would think they would want, since they think, you know, I think they think of themselves as playoff contenders, why not have a backup quarterback that has some experience in case love gets hurt, or also just to kind of keep love's development going, why not bring in Wayne Gabbard or, yeah, or somebody that could be that kind of thing. So, but right now, it's, it's a little strange to me, I think. Yeah, like we, I think we mentioned, yeah, last week, yeah, Tana Hill, Brian Boyer, Wayne Gabbard, Agent McCarran, Matt Barkley, Trevor Simeon, all, you know, these guys are all available. Yeah, it seems strange that he wouldn't bring in somebody that's at least, you know, having a little experience. Hopefully he's been on a roster for quite some time. Just maybe somebody else can give some pointers to Jordan Love along the way, but I mean, it just does seem to fit with the, you know, the coaching and, and general manager decisions there. In Green Bay, it does fit that they wouldn't have better presence, though, right. People can be aimed for like a non-traditional sort of concept, but it does seem like if Jordan Love were to be injured early, I don't know how you fix, how you finish the season and be okay with the outcome. Like you want to be a playoff team, regardless. Yeah, you only have so many chances to make the playoffs. And the idea is, well, we have even if you even love is the only, you know, you're going to find anybody that's good as love, but if love is injured and maybe out six to eight weeks, but he's back for the playoffs, you know, maybe if you have somebody that can even tread water for a few weeks, you know, I think, you know, a lot of people are predicting Detroit to win the division because of how they did last year. But I think I think Green Bay has a very good shot at winning the division if they stay healthy. But, you know, if they don't stay healthy, you still think, well, maybe they're a playoff team in the NFC. And, you know, can they at least go, can they win nine, 10 games? You know, maybe love misses a few weeks here and there. I don't think, I think if they start Clifford or Pratt, those are guaranteed losses, I think, basically. And their defense was pretty good, but not like pop of the league, I don't believe. So it looks like their salary cap structure is very heavily towards the defensive side. And I think four of their top six paid players are defensive players. So they did pick up Josh Jacob, I guess, yeah, as a running man. So like maybe they were expecting to run the ball excessively if love is out. So it's not. But what do you like every team is just going to stack the line and their acrobatics? You're even worried about the threat of a pass anymore. So it turns a multi-dimensional offense into, you know, one note, basically. So it's one is pretty obvious what they'd be doing. Yeah, I'm quite I'm questioning what's going on in Green Bay with their quarterback. There was I'm doing the same thing a little bit with what's going on in Chicago. At least Chicago has a few more options than Green Bay. Chicago was a saw was also a team that wasn't terrible last year with Justin Fields. They didn't make the playoffs, but they ended up getting the number one overall draft pick and Caleb Williams, which, you know, most times when you get a number one pick, it's because your team has been really, really terrible. And it's just kind of what happens when we're having with Bryce Young and what happened with, you know, Trevor Lawrence and you know, they get drafted onto terrible teams and they have to Peyton Manning, you know, many years ago, you know, they get drafted on a really bad teams and they have to turn those teams around. Joe Burrow, you know, things like that. But it takes time too. And sometimes a lot of suffering. Yeah. But so Williams is going on was going on not to a terrible team, but to a mediocre team, you know, and Caleb Williams, not as big as maybe you might expect for really high, he was probably the biggest hyped quarterback, at least since Trevor Lawrence, maybe since as a number one prospect, maybe since Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning, you know, he's he's been really hyped 60. He's only 6'1, 23 in November. So he's not young either coming out like Jacob McCarthy is or what Mahomes was, or what Jordan Love was. He was drafted. He's only 20, you know, he's only three years older than Williams. He was about a year younger than Williams when he came out. He played for Oklahoma 2021, last two seasons at USC, followed Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma to USC. He had replaced Spencer Ratler, where you mentioned Ratler when we transferred to South Carolina. Now he's on the Saints as one of the backups, fifth round draft pick this past year. So 2022 Heisman winner, the 2024 number one overall pick, biggest hype prospect for a while. He had a stronger season 22 at when he won the Heisman, they didn't 2023, but he's not a very solid season. 68.6 completion percentage, 30 touchdowns to five interceptions, 3300 plus yards, 11 rushing touchdowns, but he only had 142 rushing yards, which was far fewer than previous seasons. So was he, the question is, was he just coasting this past year, trying to save himself for the NFL, it seems like maybe. So he's been, of course, compared to Patrick Mahomes as the next kind of Mahomes type of quarterback, you can run and throw and he has all the crazy arm angles and things like that, which is a lot, a lot, a lot of hype for Williams. It remains to be seen whether he's going to be able to live up to that, but he is, he has been penciled in as the starter already in Chicago. And there's no real great backup behind them in case Williams either struggles coming out of the gate or it's injured. It's a little bit like what's going on in Green Bay, but at least you know that love has a good season under his belt. We don't know that about Williams. What do you, what do you think about Caleb Williams, Andrew? Yeah, it's, it's a big unknown until he actually starts in the, I mean, they, they, they decided not to give him any snaps in the first, their first preseason game, which was the Hall of Fame game on, on Thursday, last week. So it's, it seems a little strange that you wouldn't, you know, at least get to see him for even a minute, even just to have, take a couple snaps, even just to hand it off and then just go take a seat just to like, you know, get him at least a minute or two, right? Of, of a game experience against other players who are expected to be NFL players. So I don't know. It's, yeah, it's, it's all hype. And like you, you have to see if you can take some of the shots to going to get, he's going to get hit. He probably didn't get hit nearly as much in college as he will against, you know, NFL defense defenses. So, you know, you can, you can have a lot of hype around somebody and you just don't know how, how they're going to be able to stay. And that's maybe the biggest thing in NFL is avoiding injuries and, and seeing what you can do to, you know, lay through some of those to like, you know, lesser injuries too. So, I don't know that we've seen any of that or have that expectation that he's going to be able to handle it yet until, you know, he gets a couple of games under him and, you know, you just have to see. So, I don't, I don't know that I don't know that they should expect anything. And he would probably as a Bears fan should probably, you know, hope if they have the same record that they had last year that that would be considered good because they've now taken a step back in quarterback development fields already had a few years now we're going back to year zero again. So, if they do, you know, the same number of wins they had last year, that's maybe a huge success. Yeah, I think they're seven and ten last year. So, if you think Williams can lead with seven and ten, but I think the expectations of Chicago, there are playoffs and, you know, possibly more. That's ridiculous. Yeah. And it would be fine. Will you think to or do you think they're a playoff season? It's the NFC. So, you don't know, but I think they have, I think they play in the best division in the NFC. Since they have, there are two teams that are legitimate Super Bowl contenders, I think, in the division. Well, and seemingly emerging teams. Young teams. Yeah. Yeah. The Lions. And they have decent defenses already. Yeah. The Packers might have both pretty young. Where the Bears have traditionally been a big defense and basically no quarterback like in the history of the franchise has been. They did bring in Keenan Allen. They got Roman Dunsay. They got some, you know, they had some new gut. They had some, you know, offensive weapons. They brought in, I think, the other Swift now is on the Bears. But, still, I think you have to think of them as the third best team in the division at best. And you still have Minnesota, who is a perennial playoff team. They don't have cousins anymore, but they still have a solid core. Probably the best wide receiver here. Yeah. At least in the division, maybe not, maybe even in the, in the conference. So possibly even the league, depending on health. So, yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a great combo to have. Even if your quarterbacks just okay, having great receivers can certainly help, you know, your team win games. And, but if Williams goes down, it seems like they're as ill prepared for having a, you know, a second sort of stop gap or a kind of, you know, band-aid over the situation then that the, the Packers are because they don't, you know, it's all sort of journeymen at best small college quarterbacks. None of these were, you know, hyped players, you know, there are stories of, you know, your quarterbacks like Kurt Warner, you know, being, you know, becoming, you know, the big star, you know, out of Northern Iowa and the arena league and things like that. But that's few and far between most of the good quarterbacks and the league are blue chip prospects. And that's why you draft quarterbacks in the first round. And, you know, but, you know, behind Caleb Williams, it's, while we have Brent Ripon, you know, his uncle was a good quarterback, Mark Ripon, at least he won a Super Bowl. But, Reverend, he's 28 years old now, a six-foot-two, 2019 undrafted free agent from Boise State. He spent his first four seasons with the Broncos since then he's been with the Rams, the Seahawks, the Jets and the Bears. Is he the primary backup? You know, he's played, he's played most of, he played most of the Hall of Fame game. He threw, you know, he looked good in the Hall of Fame game, but he started four games in his career, one last year with the Rams, the others were with Denver. Two, two and two record, four touchdowns, nine picks, a 58.9 rating. Is he the veteran? He's also the veteran on the team. And he's only 28 and he's barely played, you know, he's not any Dalton or somebody like that, at least you have behind. And I think he's basically playing Gabbard, though. I don't know that he's really any different there. So Gabbard was a, Gabbard was a number one, a first-round draft. He was a first-round draft pick. He started for several years. You know, he was, he's a journeyman, but he's, but he, but he spent multiple years as a starter. He was the championship game. Anyway, that was, that was Blake Bortles. I always gave Blake Gabbard. Yes, they are not, they're not the same person, actually. He was a hyped, he was a hyped prospect at one point. A top 10 pick, whereas Rippon wasn't even drafted. So like he's same thing for, he has made some appearances and he's played a bit. Yeah, but all of the Bears quarterbacks behind Williams are undrafted free agents. We have the number one pick and then undrafted free agent. We have nothing in between. And that's a little concerning, I think. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they're slightly ahead of Green Bay in bathouts at least anyway. They have three and I think you can say Rippon is maybe more seasoned than any of the Packers backups, but yeah, it beige and actually played some last year too. Yes, and that may, that may be what would, you know, gives them just a slight edge over Green Bay's backouts. Yeah. Or they're in case of emergency scenarios, right? Yeah, I mean, but you can say Green Bay's backouts were drafted and they were, and they weren't journeymen. Like all these guys were, you know, the green, the, you know, Tyson Beigeon, though, he was from Division II Shepherd University. He did win the Harlan Hill trophy in 2021, which is the sort of Division II Heisman. He passed for the most touchdown passes in NCAA history and any division, 159 over his career, 6 foot 3, but he's mainly a pocket passer, only two, he did have two Russian touchdowns for Chicago though last year. So he was a scrambler because he was running for his life, mostly, I think. He started four games last year for the Bears, 66 completion percentage, eight every nine yards passing, three touchdowns, six interceptions, 71.4. Is he the backup, maybe? Do you think he's the backup over Ripon? Is it Tyson? He's at the same number of starts. I find that shocking, though. Like they've been each at four stars. The agents all came last year and Ripon's are spread out across what five years or something was. Yeah. Ripon has been, he's been four. He's not 2019, so he's going to be his sixth year in the league. So he's played five years in the league. Yeah, so four starts spread across five seasons. Yeah. And F agent has the same number of starts having only been on last year and wasn't expected to play at all, but did. So he just had more opportunity maybe, but maybe he's the, actually the go-to in the scenario that Williams can't play, or he's only 23. He's the same age almost as Caleb Williams. So he's maybe he's another. They have also a young backup, another young backup in Austin Reed, 24 years old, six foot one. He's bounced around a lot too. And then in college, former Southern Illinois Saluki, West Florida Argonaut, and Western Kentucky Hilltopper, 2024 under active free agent. He passed for more than 8,000 yards and 71 touchdowns on 22 interceptions as last two seasons at WKU. Do you remember who he succeeded as starting quarterback at Western Kentucky? So Austin Reed through 71 touchdowns in two seasons is his predecessor through, I believe 62 touchdowns in one season at Western Kentucky. And that is, of course, Bailey Zappie was his predecessor there. And Zappie's been, seems like he's the odd man out right now in New England with Bursette coming in and two drafted quarterbacks coming in. Not just, we'll talk about Drake May, but also not Eric Milton. He played for the twins, but Joe Milton, Joe Milton, I believe from Tennessee. But Austin Reed, he won division two championship at West Florida in 2019. So, you know, he seems like more like a camp body probably, but who knows? He's a winner. He's another one of those division two quarterbacks. So we have two solid division two quarterbacks, one who transferred to kind of low level division one. And then we have Brett Ripon, you know, so it's a, after Williams, it's a real mess, I think, behind. So I think the Packers and the Bears right now are the, maybe are the least impressive of any teams that we've talked about in terms of backups, because usually there's at least one solid backup on the team. I don't think the, you know, the Bears at least have four quarterbacks rather than just three for the Packers, but well, but yeah, but a combined eight total NFL starts amongst the, in the entire room that they have. So that's a, that's a little frightening. I mean, you know, the advantage, I guess, that they have is that, or the, like the saving grace of that is that they do have a number one overall pick coming in, but number one overall picks their first seasons have a very big bag of results, right? So they could be anything from injured in the first game to being okay, but maybe sacked 60 something times over the course of the year or not so good somewhere in somewhere in there, right? That's usually it's not, you know what we saw last year in Houston that that's, that is the outlier for rookie quarterbacks starting from day one, yes? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, yeah. The way Stroud did it was, was very unusual, but Stroud still had, we'll talk about, you know, you know, backups who were more seasoned than any of the Bears or the Packers backups. Yeah. And as it turns out, also more seasoned than any of the Detroit Lions backups, although at least in Detroit, you have a starter who has been there and done it for a few years, several years now, he's a veteran. Detroit, of course, they're starting quarterback is now one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league, Jared Daff, who was, you know, still fairly young. He's only going to be 29 in October. Former number one overall pick by the Rams in 2016, he went to Cal. He was a Super Bowl losing quarterback for the Rams in 2018, most notably traded to the Rams with, with draft picks from Matt Stafford and, and golf and those draft picks helped build the Lions into the team that they are today, smart, fairly smart, 36 others wonder like solid NFL quarterback, 185 touchdowns to 82 interceptions in his career. There's now his fourth season with Detroit. He was passed for almost 4,600 yards, 30 touchdowns, only 12 interceptions, 98 quarterback rating last year. He's 66, 50 and one as a starter plus a four and four playoff record, two and one last year in the, in the playoffs, I believe. He's, you know, he's got the look of a quarterback. He's tall, strong, good arm. He signed that big contract in the off season. So, yeah, I think golf maybe is golf the best quarterback in the NFC right now. He's paid like it. For sure in the division, possibly in the NFC though. Yeah. Well, he's, he's going to be up there. I love that he's been around the lineup. His salary for this season isn't excessive. It doesn't balloon until 20, 26 season. So, this year, his base salary is only 2.6 million as the way his deal was structured at least anyway. It's mostly signing bonus, restructure bonus, and then a roster bonus too. So, like, he's still getting paid 27 million this year in total, but his base salary is like 2.7 million. Not too bad, I guess. No. But it does balloon to 55 million as a base salary in 2026 Mike. So, in the option out isn't until after the 2027 season. So, they're definitely by how his salary is structured. They're expecting him to be the starter for several years before they had a choice at least even for, you know, moving on. Yeah. So, I think, but, you know, it's so golf, solid quarterback, but behind golf, we have a lot of question marks, but maybe we have at least, we have, you know, we mentioned the bears have eight starts among them, among the backups, including the starter though, but among the backups, the lions have zero starts among their backups. They actually have... Stronger has a lot of... Yeah, the starter though has a lot of starts. So, but both, but maybe the backup, we don't know who the backup is going to be. Maybe it's going to be Hendon Hooker, who's 26 years old now. So, this is only his second year in the league. Six foot three, third round draft pick from Tennessee. He went to Virginia Tech, then Tennessee. He had Tennessee. He had 58 touchdowns to five interceptions his last two years. He also rushed for over a thousand yards and 10 touchdowns those years, but he injured his knee. It was out all of last season. He spent last year on the IR. So, he was seeing maybe as the quarterback at the future if golf was going to fade. So, what do we do with him? He's already 26. Is he still the quarterback of the future? Is he just a kind of future backup? What is he? He's maybe competing for the backup role with Nate Sudfeld, who will be 31 in October. Former 2016 sixth round pick by Washington. Six foot six, so he's a big guy. He never played with Washington. He went to the Eagles for four years, then to San Francisco, then to Detroit in 22. He's never started a game in his career. He has a career, 188 yards passing. So, he's barely played. I guess the other thing is that he also all of last year did not play towards ACL in the preseason and missed all last year. So, there's no quarterback played at all last year for the Lions back up. So, or even couldn't play if the opportunity arose, right? Yeah. Fully injured and out, out. So, the question to Detroit needs another quarterback in that quarterback room. Although, we have some age, at least, some experience. Sudfeld, Hooker is the young guy, but he's already 20. He's a little long in the tooth already. He's older than Jordan Love, who's been in the league for several years now. So, today he's probably, as a team, you'd probably like to see somebody, you know, if Dolph were to go down, and maybe let there be somebody to maybe him the reins to. So, but maybe Hooker can be that because he had a lot of upside-down college. I think he might have had he not been injured. He might have been a first-round pick. So, but he might still want one of those other guys just to be there to, you know, be in his ear, walk off his playing, used to say like, "Hey, watch him do this." I guess that's what Sudfeld is for, but... Maybe that's what Sudfeld's supposed to do, but... He hasn't played enough, maybe, to be that guy, though. He's been in enough film room, probably, but yeah, he's barely dead. Oh, Sudfeld has barely done anything. So, it's another kind of odd situation where we have a lot of inexperience, and that's the end of seeing North's a little... I think it's the weirdest division in terms of the quarterback groupings, I think. So, the gap between the one and the two is like a chasm and not a... And then there's no three or four, really, that's... They're all about the same. And so, it's... In some ways, Detroit, because Hooker was seen as a really top prospect until he got hurt, maybe, is the best, but in some ways, but I think Gough, though, exceeded expectations for the Lions, and they weren't expecting to pay him so much, but he's been pretty good, and they were... I think they thought, "Well, we'll ride Gough for another couple of years, and then we'll give it to Hooker." But now, it's like, Gough's still fairly... He's only three years older than Hooker. So, yeah, it's a... To that contract, the way it's set up, it seems like it would be... You're not like... You want Gough to start, and it's like, it's basically... Basically, Hooker isn't becoming like an insurance policy, as the potential replacement should Gough get injured, but if he doesn't... If he just, you know, ability-wise, falls off the cliff, then they're going to have to eat it, basically. And maybe if Hooker does well, you can trade Hooker in the next year or two for prospects, or for draft picks, where you can draft another quarterback in like a year or two. Yeah, and maybe that's what it is, but yeah, that's the NFC North for you. To move on to the... Based on what you've seen here, you've an expectation for what... Who's going to be not so good in the injury scenario, which seems to strike almost every team. I think if... Where are these teams going to fall out? I think if they stay healthy, it's a Green Bay and Detroit division. I actually like Green Bay a little better than Detroit. I think Detroit made you play over their heads last year. This is a huge turnaround for me. Yes, it is. I shocked on the end. I like, because I like Green Bay a little bit around, and then the full-on Green Bay turnaround. They're running game. They have also a lot of young wide receivers that are very good. The Lions have... I'm going to say, Graham, but they also have... They seem very top-heavy. They've paid a bunch of money to a few people, and if any of those people go down, they don't... I don't think they quite have the depth that Green Bay does. I think Detroit got a little lucky in some of their games. I guess the Chiefs, especially the first game, and some of their playoffs. I thought they could have lost a couple of those home games in the playoffs. They're heavily favored this year. I don't know how well they'll handle that pressure. I'm looking actually for them. I think they might make the playoffs, but I don't think they're going to be as good as they were last year, and I think the Packers are going to be better. That's my guess. If they get hurt, I think if quarterbacks go down, I think the Vikings might be in the best shape of those teams. The Vikings might be a... I don't know, seven and ten team, but if they play quarterbackless teams in their division, maybe they can be ten and seven. Yeah, it's a fine line between seven and ten and ten and seven season just because of the division itself. If it's bad, then somebody's probably going to walk through it. If there are two teams that emerge as being good like you expect with Green Bay and Detroit, then they may walk through them, or they could just beat each other up, and everybody's two and two early on. Who knows, really? This season, try to predict it now is kind of silly, but what we will though, are we going to do our season long over under win totals? Yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, we need to redeem ourselves from last year's. Yeah, last year we were way off. It was bad, but part of it was what the chiefs being woefully underperforming, but then they win the Super Bowl, but then they were under their winning total. I think we both predicted the chiefs to be... I think this year we both think that the chiefs looked better us on paper than they did last year, but it doesn't mean they won the Super Bowl again, even though they might be a better team. Speaking of teams still look really good on paper, we have the NFC East of the Dallas Cowboys are the furthest West team easily. By far, yes. Further West than most of the North. Further West than any of the NFC North teams? All of the North, yes. Yeah. And I believe all of the NFC South teams are further West than so. Yeah. And they worked with their West and some of the West teams before St. Louis moved back to Los Angeles, but the Dallas Cowboys, they have basically the same three quarterbacks that were in the quarterback room last year. Dak Prescott, their starter, who was looking for a deal like Jared Goff or what Jordan Love got, those big 50 million plus deals, but Jared Jones is not really happy with anybody who doesn't seem like he hasn't been paying anybody on the Cowboys. The Cowboys are one of those teams that maybe he's waiting for them to be really good next year and then he'll pay people or if they'll just implode and he'll just rebuild the team. I don't know. He's old, so I don't know if he can live through a rebuild, but Dak Prescott now is 31. He was a fourth round pick from Mississippi State back in 2016. The NFC offensive rookie of the year that year. He's been the quarterback since this rookie year when Tony Romo was injured most of the season, then retired. He's 73 and 41 as a starter. A two and five playoff record, though, however, he's mobile, but he runs less than he has in recent years. Big year, last year, 36 touchdowns, nine interceptions, 4,500 yards, 106 quarterback rating, 70% completion percentage. But he didn't miss time, though, two of the previous three seasons, so is that is he injury prone? That's maybe another question. He might even be the best quarterback in the conference. It's hard to say with Prescott, but he's not seen as elite, probably among the league. He's not in the homes or Burrow or Allen or Jackson or any of those guys. But he doesn't relatively on par numbers. He isn't seen as a top top tier quarterback, even though his numbers probably do justify that comparison. But it's playoff success a lot, I think, is a lot of it. Whether it's Dak's fault or the Cowboys in general fault, but yeah, he hasn't been good in the playoffs, just like, well, you know, the Cowboys got blown out by the Packers last year. That doesn't have a terrible game, but his, but the offense was so overwhelmed already from the beginning. They couldn't really, they scored 30 plus points. I think he gets the Packers, but the Packers were a 48 to 32 win or something like that. So they were way ahead of the old game. So it didn't really matter. But really, if you remember back to earlier games and Dallas, the season, like they were really reliant on that, you know, spectacular defensive individual plays that almost always resulted in touchdowns. Yeah, big play. So it's, you know, if they had that show up in the playoff game, then, you know, that score may have been when we flipped. And we'd be talking about how great they were in the playoffs, supposed to, you know, how much they collapsed in the playoffs. Yeah, you can't, you can't, I guess, count on big plays defense, big play defense. That's one reason why the Chiefs defense, which was less spec, but popular than the Cowboys, but it was better because it didn't rely on those big plays. Like if you get those big plays, they would really be helpful, but the Chiefs never gave up more than 27, 28 points the entire season. Yeah, putting the playoffs and you know, so they were a top scoring defense, but they didn't need to, you know, they sacked, you know, they got a lot of sacks. They got a lot of pressures, but they didn't, they didn't get a ton of interceptions. They didn't get a ton of touchdowns, but they were kind of solid, but maybe not having this, you know, spectacular highs like the Cowboys defense that they didn't have. They seem to focus more about like, you know, knocking passes down than necessarily like trailing them in too for the interception. So yeah, they weren't, they didn't get like the lot of the turnovers. Yeah, that Dallas did the grid and resulted in a lot of touchdown. Yeah, but that was, that turns out that's what they relied on in a lot of the games and at the line that hurts your team. If you, if you don't have a, if you don't just have a overall, just solid defense without those big, big plays. But Prescott, it turns out, but in terms of quarterbacks, it seems like Dallas has a lot of good options because at Prescott goes down, they have Cooper Rush, who's their backup. He's now 30 years old, undracted free agent in 2017 from Central Michigan. He's been with the Cowboys since then, other than a short stint in 2020 on the Giants practice squad. He started five games two years ago, 1619 yards passing eight touchdowns, five interceptions, a 501 record as a starter, six foot three, some liked him better than Dak in 2022, even though he's not as good, but he won games for the Cowboys that year. He barely played this past year because Prescott stayed healthy. But, you know, the question is, is he the number two quarterback or does he get passed by the number three guy who's been, you know, up and coming, seeing as a hot prospect, at least he was in the first couple of years of his, of his career. That's Trey Lance, who's still only 24 years old. So he's, you know, he's two years younger than Brandon Hooker, who hasn't even played yet. And he's only a year older than Caleb Williams. He's younger than Jordan Love, you know, he's, he's still very young. He was the number three overall pick out of North Dakota State. He only had one year as a starter and he threw 28 touchdowns to zero interceptions that year in Division 1 AA, but 1100 yards rushing that season as well, 14 touchdowns in the FCS competition. And San Francisco actually exchanged three first round picks to get the first round pick from Miami to get him and a third round pick. So they gave up a lot to have them. And when they gave him, when they traded him a Dallas this past year, because he couldn't find a spot in San Francisco with Purdy becoming the new starter, they only got a fourth round pick. In return for him. So that's, you know, two first, you know, giving away two extra firsts and a third and then only getting a fourth for him. That's, that's a, that's a big, that's a big swing. He hasn't played much. He hasn't played much since 2019 really, because he didn't play in the COVID season. He didn't play much as a rookie. He's been hurt a lot. He's only had four starts, two and two careers, a starter's injury eventually led the way to Purdy becoming the starter after Garoppolo was hurt after Lance was hurt. He's developed metal. Is he, is he turning a corner? Is he a bust? We don't really know. He was compared to Mahomes at one point. He's still only 24. So there's, you know, is this why Prescott isn't getting the big contract, because maybe they think Lance could be something in the future, could be something cheap compared to Prescott and they can spend money elsewhere. I don't know. But it seems like at least the Cowboys have backups that can play and a project as well. So like, I think they're in much better shape. You know, if Prescott goes down, then a lot of the NSC North teams are, if their starter goes down. And this is Prescott's blue near of his contract too. This is his final year of his four year deal. So he is getting paid 55 million this season. It is, that is the kind of contract that you would sort of expect to see, you know, have it be extended and then spread out across a couple of years rather than pay to 55 million in the single season, you know, not having a, not having went under contract for the next year or with an option of any kind even. So this is like, you know, contract wise, this is the end of his deal. So if you want to try to stay in Dallas, it's going to have to have a huge year and make sure to put everybody else away basically as being a threat to him. So more likely though, he's probably going to be moving on. So we'd still be playing for where he's going to go next. Wouldn't you think? Yeah, it seems like they aren't going to keep around. They haven't, if they haven't, unless he does really, really well this season and they're forced to keep him. So if he wins the Super Bowl, you know, they're not going to let him go. But if he, you know, another player out, you know, no, that's a guarantee actually, Jerry Jones does whatever he feels like small. Yeah, you never know, you know, but there's, Lance isn't inexpensive though as a, he's still in the end of his rookie deal. So he is getting paid a little roster bonus this year. So he's going to be fucking three million dollars, which isn't the thing anyway. But it is for a backup quarterback, it is relatively high. Five million? Five million. Yeah. So I would say maybe they would think, well, maybe they can get him cheap if they sign him to the future. You know, if he doesn't, you know, maybe they can get him for 10 or 15 million a year starter in the case of, you know, if Prescott moves on. As long as he sees he stays healthy and is at least mediocre. And then yeah, I mean, that's still a huge savings and in salary to what Prescott would be under. He runs. Yeah, that's, I don't, but it's, but Lance hasn't shown anything though. So he's barely played. So it's hard to say. Definitely isn't shown that he's healthy enough to stay on the field for. He's had a lot of battle. That's a little important. Yeah. And in Russia isn't cheap either, really, as a backup. So he's a 2.9 million for this season. So they're combined only three quarterback room. Still is this is this number two overall by salary quarterback grouping in the NFL. 63.3 million combined for those three QBs. Have we discussed to the number one? We mentioned them last week, but we have not done our in-depth analysis of, do you know who it is still? Is it, uh, is it the Bengals? No, but you're in the right state. Oh, the Browns. Oh, that's terrible. Yeah. So, so DeShawn Watson himself actually makes more than the number two is paying all of their performance combined. This is something million this year? 63.8 million. John Watson. That's a balloon year. Okay. Yeah. Speaking of move on the NFC East to a team that actually has no quarterbacks from last year on their roster this year. And that's, that's the Washington commanders. Uh, none of them, yeah, they have all new quarterbacks. They have four quarterbacks on the roster, but only, but none of them had played at all down for the commanders or for the, uh, former Redskins or any of the former football team, any of their Washington names. They most notably drafted the Heisman Trophy winner from 2023. Uh, number two overall from LSU was Jaden Daniels. Um, he'll be 23. He'll be 24 in December. Um, he's the number two overall pick he played for, uh, played for LSU Arizona State before transferring to LSU. Um, he's six foot four. Uh, he sort of, it may be the next, uh, you know, he's been carried, paired to the homes. Is he Lamar Jackson? Is he Cam Newton? He's, he's got all these kind of running quarterback. Um, you know, Jalen Hertz, Archie, but you know, the, I guess the question is he's going to be RG three that the star crossed, uh, you know, brilliant, uh, running quarterback for, uh, Washington when he was drafted. But his Heisman Trophy season, uh, Daniels was, he threw 40 touchdowns, only four interceptions, uh, 30 to 100 passing yards. He also rushed for over about 1100 yards, 10 rushing touchdowns. So he had a huge, huge season. He set the FBS passer rating record at 208, which is a different calculation than the NFL uses, but huge upside running quarterback, paired to my homes, of course, is he the next, you know, maybe better passer than Lamar Jackson, but running as nearly as good. Jalen Hertz, you know, somebody like that, he's, he's, he's up on that level. But, um, the question is, will he be able to stay healthy in the NFL? It's, you know, he won't be able to run quite as much, you know, maybe he's, maybe, um, maybe he's Josh out, maybe he can, maybe he would stand a lot of those hits. But, um, yeah, James Daniels is, has already actually been named the starter for the first preseason game. So he's not going to sit, it seems like on the bench to start the season, he's probably going to start coming out. But starting the first preseason game is unnecessarily meeting the starter, but I guess not, but he's, he's got the first team. He would be playing with the first team. Yeah, because I mean, you know, uh, the Bears didn't start most of their first team guys at all, really, and, and, uh, the, the whole thing game. So it's not necessarily, uh, you know, written in stone, but it's, uh, at least it looks like that's what they're leaning towards. Yeah. May not, it may not make the most sense though, you know, would you, thanks? I don't know. I think maybe they should start Mary, Marcus, Mary, out of their, other Heisman Derby winning quarterback. Um, he's 30, he's only 30. He's, he's six foot four, like, uh, Daniels. Um, he'll be 31 on, on your, around Halloween. Uh, 2014 winner, high of the Heisman from Oregon as the best college player, of course. Um, also a former number two overall pick. Uh, this was by Tennessee in 2015 since 2020 though. Uh, he's played for the Raiders, the Falcons, the Eagles, and now this is his first season in Washington. He hasn't, his last season as a starter was 2022 in Atlanta. Uh, it was the only team time as a starter really that he, since he had left Tennessee when he was, uh, supplanted by Brian Tanahill, uh, career 34. Wasn't he supposed to be the starter and with the Raiders? He was behind car. He was thought to challenge car with the Raiders. Uh, the car ended up being the starter and Maryana never saw the field. Was that the year that he had the punctured long or what was, what was that? I think I think you have tie about Taylor. Oh, maybe that was Taylor. Maybe that's, maybe that's who I was thinking, uh, yeah, who had the, who had that, who was supposed to start over, um, young, uh, what's his name? The, the, the chargers quarterback. Oh, just in Herbert, Herbert, just in Herbert. And then he got that, then he got that injection and it punctured as long. That's it. That's right. That is what I'm thinking of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Marioda, he was in his modern original challenge, but I get confused sometime in the apparently just a few tall, futile AFC West opponents of the Chiefs. Yes. The thing is at same time period. Um, yes. But yeah, 34 and 40 as a starter, but 93 touchdowns to 55 intersections and actually 89.2 career rating, which is higher than I would have guessed. He's still fairly mobile. He ran for over 400 yards with Atlanta. You know, the question, I actually asked this before I did the, before we found out today, Jane Daniels is going to be the starter. It seems like, is he, is he the starter to start the season? Or is he already the backup? It seems like maybe he's already the backup, um, unless maybe Daniels takes a step back in the preseason. But, um, I might start Marioda again. This is a division. This is a team that the commanders, you probably won't challenge for the division and probably isn't a playoff team this year. This is a team that you build. But, you know, I guess they started the number two pick last year with, uh, um, and you know, CJ Stroud in Houston and look what happened with them. So maybe Washington feels like this could be another CJ Stroud. Maybe Jane Daniels is actually the best quarterback of the draft class above Caleb Williams. Who knows? But, um, he had, you know, the year last year that rivaled just about anybody. So, um, behind Marioda and Daniels, uh, we have a couple of guys, Jeff Driscoll, 31 years old, former six round pick by the 49ers out of Louisiana Tech. He also went to play a little bit of Florida. Uh, Driscoll played at Cincinnati in 2018. He started five games as a rookie. He then went to Detroit Denver, Arizona, Cleveland, and now Washington. He actually was traded from Arizona to Cleveland or went from Arizona Cleveland in that same trade that took Dobbs from Cleveland to Arizona last year. Um, he started one game last year for Cleveland. In his career, he's one and 11 as a starter, but he's got 16 touchdowns and only 10 interceptions, 79.4 ratings. So he's is maybe rating seems a little better than his, uh, starting career. We have a guest joining us. Uh, who's the cat? That was, uh, that was, uh, Bub's now. Bub's, uh, the cat. Um, if you're listening to us on the podcast, you didn't see the bubble, the cat walk across, uh, Andrew's, uh, screen there. Of course, he's my face. And then before turning around and jumping out. So, yes, he's thinking that it's very, very late at night. We should be finishing with these, uh, things that I'm trying to prowl across the, uh, the desks and tables of, of the door and household, but he's not. Um, so Driscoll, you can play in a pinch. Uh, he's probably the third quarterback or, um, you know, maybe they'll go with another developmental player, uh, in Sam Hartman, six foot one, but he's also, uh, from undrafted for agent from Notre Dame. He was also a starter of many years at Wake Forest before that, nine and three as a starter at Notre Dame, 24 touchdowns to eight interceptions, almost 3000 yards passing. Um, he threw for even more yards and more touchdowns at Wake Forest, which had a more, um, open offense than Notre Dame, which I'm more conservative offense, but solid college quarterback for several years. Um, you know, maybe he is somebody that could be a developmental player as well. So, Washington at least, it seems like even if they start Daniels above Mariota, they have a solid room. It seems like they have some, a mixture of veteran presence. They have some young guys with upside. They have, you know, just, they've bodies to throw at the situation if, if, uh, it's called four. So it seemed like, you know, Dan Quinn's first year as a coach, they're in much better shape. I think if somebody goes down with an injury, then, you know, many of the, those, uh, nor, and I see northern division counterparts. And it's nice to see like, you know, the giving the opportunity for Elise for, you know, young player to just kind of take the role rather than, you know, being given it then necessarily. So hopefully that's the kind of route they're going to take them to, is that yeah, if he wins the job, then he will be the opening day starter, hopefully. But if he doesn't, then it seems like, you know, they're, they're covered, right? So they're, yeah, yeah, they're hoping to not like set up another sequence of events where they have their rookie quarterback getting sacked like 60 times, like, uh, how old was last year, right? Then we're in that area. Yeah. 65 times, I think he was sacked games, almost four. Yeah. But they have a new offensive coordinator, new defensive coordinator, new everything and new in four new quarterbacks now and, uh, and, but they actually have four, you know, you know, three quarterbacks, you could say that are, one in Daniels and two in Mario to Driscoll, they actually have some experience. And then you have a young guy in Hartman. So if no, a fourth guy that can go on the practice squad. So it's, it's, I think it's, I think that that's, that's looking good for Washington. I do have a solid running game to the Brian Robinson and apparently, I didn't even remember if they had done this, but they were also brought an Austin Echler. And so, no, I'm good. Yeah. We're seeing backfield. Yeah. Yeah. We got some solid, some solid players there. Anyway, um, salary wise, I was a little surprised. Yeah. Jig and Daniel's will be the highest paid quarterback over Marione. Okay. So you'll get 6.9 million this year. Marione is at six. Driscoll is just under a million. And, uh, same Hartman's close. Yeah. So it's a solid room. I think, uh, there, uh, the next team we'll talk about also has a pretty good quarterback room and, uh, is the Philadelphia Eagles. So far though, do you think Washington is the best, like overall, like top to bottom room that we've talked about so far today? Anyway, you might say that even though they only have three, you might say the Cowboys simply because they have Prescott at the top who's proven and it's still, but, but maybe if maybe before the Cowboys, you could say, I mean, I'm with the commanders, you could say maybe is the best, but we don't know what their top is. I guess if it's Marione at the top, we know kind of that that's not maybe a whole lot different than the Vikings, um, quarterback room, uh, either. So, but I think of the ones we've talked about so far that we have the Vikings, the Cowboys and the commanders as the, as the top three out of those six. And then I think we'd include the Eagles as one of, as a decent one as well. We have, um, some younger guys, some, um, starting, uh, some younger guys now that have some experience as well. Uh, of course, starting with Jalen Hertz, 26 years old, second round pick from Oklahoma in 2020. Of course, he started at Alabama where he was supplanted by two, a title below a, um, great season at OU in 2019 made of a real NFL prospect, six foot one, a little shorter, but he's stocky, 220 plus pounds, solid runner, decent passer, breakout season in 22 where he led the Eagles to the Super Bowl. Um, he had a decent year last year in terms of statistics, but he, yeah, he threw 23 touchdowns. Uh, you know, uh, in 2023, you only threw 22 in 2022, but he also threw 15 interceptions, which was part more than the 63 the year before. He rushed for 15 more touchdowns, 600 plus rushing yards. So, you know, is he, is this, is he has, has he peaked or can he get better? It seems like after he signed the big contract, you know, he didn't take a step forward last year. He kind of was treading water or maybe took a little step backward. So, um, you know, the, the Eagles have a history of, uh, Super Bowl losing quarterbacks recently, uh, being very good, at least it seems like, and then maybe not seeming so good in future seasons or injury prone and futures is like what they had with Carson Wentz a couple of years ago. So, um, you know, is, is that, especially because it was Nick Foles that actually won the Super Bowl, right? Nick Foles won the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. What? I guess, I guess Carson wasn't losing the Super Bowl. He's didn't play in the Super Bowl. Yeah. What was one? I mean, he, he got them, you know, to the playoffs and yeah, he had a great year that year. Yeah. I don't, I don't, they wouldn't have had that run without Wentz in the regular season. So MVP, MVP level season about, yeah, uh, in 2017. So, but yeah, this is a, you know, Hertz is a really solid quarterback. Um, again, the question is, will he get hurt? No pun intended because of the way he, the style of play. Um, but there are some back, but if Hertz goes down, there are at least, it seems like there are some backups that are possibilities, uh, that are, that are going to be able to hold down the fort while he's out. Uh, so it's better position than, you know, the Packers are the lions or the, um, bears, uh, will be, but, uh, it seems like maybe the backup will be Kenny Pickett. Uh, he was traded to Philly in March with a fourth round pick by Pittsburgh, who actually picked up a third and two seventh. So they really didn't give, get much, uh, for Pickett, they gave up a fourth in Pickett for a third rounder and two seventh round picks. So he was expendable after picking up Russell Wilson and then really, really expendable after picking up Justin Fields, but that was, they got fields after they got rid of Pickett. Um, so Pickett goes across the state from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia. Last year, he started 12 games for Pittsburgh, but his stats were fairly underwhelming. He did have a seven and five record this year and the previous year, he actually had a seven and five record too. So he's 12 and 10 as a starter. Uh, but last season, he threw for only 2000 yards, 270 yards, six touchdowns, four interceptions, 81.4, so he didn't have, he didn't really fill up the stat sheet a whole lot, um, over those games. But, um, you know, he wasn't the worst quarterback, but he wasn't, you know, I think the Steelers wanted more upside. I think the Eagle, I think he wanted a change of scenery and I think the Eagles wanted a backup that could, you know, play in a somewhat similar vein to Hertz and that's kind of what Pickett, um, does. Um, the other backups are kind of interesting, I think, for the Eagles. Um, the most interesting, I think is Will, Will Dreyer, who's now seven, 29 years old, six, six with three, a four or third round pick from West Virginia in 2019 by Carolina. He started his first two years in Carolina, where he, his first two years were with Carolina, then he went to Dallas for a couple of years. Then the Bengals Patriots charged practice squads last year. He started two games as a rookie, no touchdowns, four interceptions. He hasn't actually played an NFL snap since 2019, but he was a solid college quarterback. He actually had a huge preseason game last year for the Cowboys, where he threw like five touchdowns to 300, something plus yards, everybody really was excited and then got cut. Um, so, you know, this, you know, the question might be, does he have a chance to sneak in as a backup of Pickett struggles? And it seems like maybe Pickett hasn't been so great in camp this year so far. So maybe he had Will Greer as the backup. Um, maybe he could be a guard in a minute, she tight, or somebody like that, like slinging ball a little bit. Um, the fourth quarterback is Tanner McKee, 24 years old, six round draft pick from Stanford last year. He actually had a terrible record team college as a starter, only six and 16, no mobility to speak of 28 career touchdowns to 15 interceptions. He is really tall though, six with six, probably why he was drafted practice squad last year. Does he stick around or get cut? Does he fall in the practice squad? Again, that's the question, but he's at least a developmental kind of body, uh, to have in camp. And at least the Eagles, it seems like they have several options behind hurts, maybe not quite as strong as some other teams, but Pickett has been a starter. Will Greer has some kind of, says some interesting upside as a backup. So I think, you know, at least the Eagles have the trying, they have a decent, you know, unit behind, uh, behind hurts. And still pretty economical, uh, like, uh, salary wise for, uh, hurts too. He's only going to make 13.6 million this year. Um, he does have a big contract though. It is a, what, five year, 255 million dollar deal on the way he's just in year two of that. Uh, so he does have, uh, a little bit of ballooning, but a lot of this, uh, looks like a lot of the way this salary structure though is a lot of option, uh, road-related option, I guess, across spread across all the years. So 13.6 this year, 22 million next year, 32 million the following year, 42 million in the last year of the deal of 27. Uh, then there's another option year apparently after that, 47 million. So it does, it does go up, but it's not like the balloon payment type thing that you see with some of the other teams. So Billy's quarterback room isn't absurdly expensive by any means. Jalen hurts. I don't like 13.6. Yeah. Pickets only would make two million. Will Greer is it just under a million. Tanner McKee is just a little bit below that even too. So it's not, not a super expensive, uh, team anyway there. Uh, and they, and they have some, you know, interesting players coming in too, especially because they have Saquon Barkley coming from the Giants over, uh, as a running back and they didn't have to give up, you know, Gainwell either. So he's still there. Their wall wide receivers are still there. Mm-hmm, pocketsmith. They should print out. So they're, uh, yeah, they still have a pretty stacked team. So like they don't really necessarily need a quarterback and they do all kinds of stuff. Like maybe Jalen hurts won't have to run quite so much. I mean, solid running backs like that. Maybe he can actually maybe should not get injured then because of that. So hopefully that's the kind of thing the team is hoping for over to soon. They should have a solid defense this year. They got to highly draft. They had problems in the secondary last year and they got to, uh, very highly drafted, uh, cornerback safeties, uh, in the first and second round. So they'll, they'll think they'll be, yeah, I think they're in, in good shape if, uh, you know, if hurts, uh, can, you know, play as well. Maybe as, as, as people hope, um, he went to the Giants with Saquon Barkley. That's our final team of the night, final team in the NFC. Uh, it's been a marathon that we've had tonight, um, but we'll end it in New York home of the home of one of the great marathons of the world. Um, but maybe not home of one of the great football teams of the world. Uh, they did make a surprising playoff run two years ago under Brian Dable, but, uh, I think they're slated at number three in the division, uh, at the highest right now, maybe even number four, because we like, we seem to like the commanders upside a little bit more than we like what's going on in, uh, in G-Man land in, uh, East Rutherford, New Jersey. Uh, but we have, um, the Giants, their starting quarterback, um, is Daniel Jones, 27 years old, four, first round pick in 2019 from Duke, six foot five, three years starter, uh, in college, but he didn't have great stats. He was seen as that kind of a project and a projectable quarterback when he was drafted career in, um, New York, he says 52 touchdown passes, uh, 29 interceptions, 8, 200 yards passing. He's mobile. He looks like a quarterback. He did much better under Brian Dable than he did on the predecessor, but his stats haven't been that much. Uh, last year, you only played six games, just one in five, two touchdowns, six interceptions. Um, even in his kind of breakout season of the year before, he only flew for 15 touchdown passes. A little bit like Kenny Pickett kind of, those low, you know, his, he doesn't fill up the stats sheet. Um, maybe he's, but he's getting paid like he's not Kenny Pickett. Uh, he's getting paid like he's, um, Jalen Hertz almost, uh, he's making, it's basically the same, uh, contract that, um, that Prescott had just a year later. Yeah. So, yeah, it's, it's a really similar deal. Four years, 160 million. Yeah, but he's only in year two and there is an option after this year or so. I think maybe that would be the last, you know, but you thought maybe if they would draft a quarterback this year and they did not, um, if they thought that Jones was not the answer, uh, they did bring in another quarterback, Drew Locke, all the 27 years old to which 28 November, all, uh, six foot four, at least Summit Missouri native. Um, Bronco's second round pick in 2019. He was then traded to Seattle as part of the wrestling Wilson deal, Russell Wilson deal. That didn't really work out for the, uh, Broncos. He was nine and 14 as a starter. All the two of those were with Denver. He didn't play a snap in 2022 after losing the camp battle with, you know, Smith, but he did start two games last year when Smith was injured. He was one and one 534 yards passing three touchdowns, three interceptions, uh, last year career, 28 touchdowns, 23 interceptions. So he started some with Denver yet. Uh, you know, maybe he might think he's competing for the starting job here in New York. Uh, I don't think he really is, but he's somebody that can maybe be the, um, you know, if Daniel Jones goes down, he's injury, he's been injured quite a bit. He can, uh, Drew Locke isn't really probably much of a step down. He's, you know, maybe not quite as explosive as Jones in some ways, but he, he might be a better passer than Jones, not, you know, in other ways. So, um, you know, they're kind of similar quarterbacks, both I think were thought to be um, maybe if you, you know, start, you know, high level starters of the future, but neither one really has panned out so far. Um, and behind those two, we have Dr. Skast's favorite quarterback, Tommy DeVito, uh, Tommy Cutlets, as he's known because of his love for his mother's Italian cooking. And they're chicken cutlets, especially, um, he's 26, uh, actually, it'll be 26, uh, on August 7th, which is now, is today, he's, this is his birthday, uh, as we've gone past midnight here, once or a power hour in our recording studio. Um, he was a rookie last year, he played at Syracuse in college, then transferred to Illinois, uh, undrafted free agent in 2023. Uh, he was a Jersey guy, six foot two, he was thrust into duty last year after Jones and Tyrod Taylor had injuries last year, he ended up starting six games for the Giants, uh, eight touchdowns, three interceptions, eleven hundred yards passing, eighty nine point two rating. Does he, maybe does he compete for the number two job? Because he actually did a pretty good job while he was a quarterback. He's a fan favorite. Uh, you know, so, I mean, the Giants are one of those teams where he doesn't really matter who the quarterback is, they aren't going to be great either way. So, um, if one goes down, maybe the Giants are in decent position to, uh, go with their backups, but, um, that's the Giants quarterback room. Any, any, what do you, what do you have to say about, uh, the G-men? Yeah, for his, uh, mediocre, as I think that the quarterbacks, are they, uh, some of the marketing paid a lot this year though. So, Daniel Jones is getting paid forty eight million dollars this season like top tier money for not that many starts or that much, that much history. And, you know, Tommy DeVito at nine hundred fifteen K may has actually be the fan favorite. So, like, they may actually pursue him most of the time even, uh, least for the, uh, the humorous, uh, like memes that come out of it anyway over the Tommy Kett list guy type stuff. Drew Locke still is making five million this year. Is that surprising that, uh, he's, he's a still a five million dollar quarterback? Well, I guess he's being paid to be a top backup site kind of borderline starter and that seems to be what's going on with the Raiders right now. That's what, what was it? Was it just like New York? That's the New York rate. I mean, it's New York inflation, but I don't know how they're getting DeVito for such cheap, but I guess it's just Ricky's salary deal. Um, yeah, he's still Ricky. So, he doesn't, he probably doesn't have much of a say and I don't know this. Yeah, I guess a lot. Did you answer the number three team by a quarterback salaries combined? Oh, wow. In the league, right behind, well, they're behind Dallas, but there's a, you know, a 10 million dollar gap between two and three. And there's a big gap between, uh, one and two of them, two. Uh, four and a half million before. Yeah, but then it's a 10 million dollar gap between two and three. Okay. So, yeah, there's, yeah, I don't think, yeah, we've talked before this quarter, this quarterback salary correlate with team success. And it seems like, again, so far, not really, we think, well, we think Dallas is going to be pretty good, but we don't think, um, the Giants are going to be very good. How are the, how are the Eagles ranked in that? Eagles, um, are just barely below the halfway point. So, they're number 17, but only 17 and a half million though, but that'll balloon, I guess, the next couple of years when Hertz was money goes. So, it was a bit next year, a little more of the following year, but yeah, I mean, if the Giants pick up, uh, channel Jones salary, it's only, you know, going to stay there to go higher than two. So, it's kind of interesting, but I can't see them. Yeah. And then, and then Dallas is going to be in a, you know, a similar situation. If they decided to pay Prescott, then they're going to stay up in that top five for sure. Uh, if they don't decide to extend his contract, they may still stay up there because they may end up giving, you know, lancer or some other different quarterback, you know, a similar contractor would, would deck in any way. So, they're probably not going to be cheap anyway. No, not for sure. Yeah. Any guess as to what, uh, what team you think is going to come out on top then in the NFC East? I think it's kind of a two team race again. We have the, the Eagles or the Cowboys. I think maybe the Eagles, because it seems like the Cowboys have, it didn't do a whole lot in the off season because they didn't extend their guys. They also didn't get a lot of free agency either. So, I would say I like the Eagles chances. I think the Eagles maybe under, under achieved some last year too. So, I think they can probably bounce back. So, unless they're on a downward slope, and I don't see it, but I think it doesn't look like an unpaper anyway. Yeah. I think the Eagles will bounce back. I, so I like the Eagles ahead of the Cowboys, but I think both of those, they're probably, those are probably the two playoff teams. Um, it sort of follow the model of the, you know, team that loses the Super Bowl tends to have a next year. Yeah. Yeah. So then, the following year, I don't know that there's a really a trend for what happens two years after a team. Uh, you know, doesn't win a Super Bowl. Yeah. So, that, that is a thing to be. There's not like a, they keep getting worse things. It's like, so much can happen in, in two seasons rather than one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't, I don't know what will happen in the NFC East, but I think we can, it seems like we both be surprised if the Giants make the playoffs, or if I would actually be less surprised if the commanders made the playoffs and if the Giants make the playoffs, because we, as I at least, with Jake Daniels, he's an unknown and, and he might be really good. You know, same thing with the Bears. Maybe Campbell Blue is going to be really good and the Bears are going to make the playoffs, but I think we know that, I think we know what we have with Daniel Jones. Um, and so, I think we know what we have also probably would rule on at this point. Uh, so I don't, I'd be surprised, especially given the competition, the division, unless there's a lot of injuries, maybe if Prescott goes down, maybe if Hertz goes down, but still those teams at least have decent backups that could maybe keep things in order and, and strong, um, you know, other precision players on the team. So it's hard, it's hard to say, but I, yeah, I like, I like the Eagles chances a little better than the Cowboys have, but you have the same opinion. It seems like, yeah, the Eagles are out front at least. Anyway, the Cowboys always seem to like have either an injury problem or they have some kind of collapse, basically. So I wouldn't, yeah, bet heavily on Dallas, but, uh, you know, if they do well, it's like, oh, it's because they should because they're built as a team that should win and they just don't seem to be able to. So there's no reason that you should really back that if you're like trying to make bets on them at least anyway. So yeah, it seems like Billy is a much safer that's asking what you would expect to be at least a good team anyway. On a side note, uh, the White Sox did manage to win their game tonight. They did break their 21 game losing streak that is over. It was only blue skies from here, Mike. Another going though, uh, 21 game winning streak and none of those wins will be against the world because the royals were already finished playing, which so maybe the White Sox, the best case scenario is that the White Sox do go on a bit of a tear and start beating up the other teams in the division that the royals have and maybe help, um, the royals come back, uh, catch up to Minnesota, catch up to Cleveland and then, you know, they're only five and a half games out of the division right now. So, you know, they might not even need the wild card. Maybe they can win the division. Let's need the White Sox to beat up on the guard against him. Yes, that's it. And that's all we're listening for. That'll happen. That'll happen. That's for sure. But what will happen is that we're going to be back next week with another exciting round of our NFL quarterback preview and some Olympics review and some more royals and chiefs coverage. Do you have anything else to add, Dr. Scott, before we sign on? I think our marathon has come to its conclusion. Yeah, it's been a wonderful race. We've gone all across the country and we've really seen the sights here and many of the many of our great cities in America. And we hope we hope you enjoyed this trip across the quarterback rooms of the NFC North and the NFC East and we'll come back next week with our beginning of our AFC preview. Two more divisions to come up next week. So until that time, you know, enjoy the rest of the Olympics and enjoy the preseason, which is now kind of underway, which we'll have some preseason games to talk about maybe, we'll talk about the Chiefs preseason game next next time. And we'll have four-piece versus Jacksonville. Is it? I don't even remember. Is that who it is? That's what I thought it was, but I'm not. You're probably right. I don't. I didn't even. Yeah. It really doesn't actually matter. It's also very late at night and I'm a little tired. So I don't remember what actually has, you know, what's been scheduled in the preseason. And Jacksonville, San Francisco, Central, 6 PM Central, Saturday at Jacksonville. Okay, so we'll see a rematch of the 2022 wildcard game in which Holmes was injured and came back and played very, very well when his ankle was hurt. So hopefully that doesn't happen in this game. Hopefully, my Holmes, if he plays, only plays a slight amount and is healthy and the team, the first team offense does defense both play well. So we'll find out next week. We can talk about that next week and we'll talk about all these other sporting events next time. And until then, I am Dr. Michael. Oh, well, we'll wear them. He is that a good skaff. We are the one to check power out. Please like and subscribe to our YouTube channel or our podcast broadcasts available on many different platforms. And yeah, until next time, we'll wish you a good day. 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