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Come on. It's big trouble. Bishop. Oh, sure. Listen, how big is that that you're drinking out of right there? This is right here. We got 40 ounces. I got Caesar, but only ten. Okay. They're gonna have at least... How many do I have? Four and a half, four and a half of these a day. Four and a half. Okay, Caesar, so listen, let's get right into that. You name dropped Caesar. Oh, yeah. He's working with a lot of people and really changing their lives. I saw Layla Hirsch. I saw even Jordan Grace and Ethan Page hit out there before their NXT thing. I mean, he's a guy that most wrestling fans at this point had seen, but he's really, really finding his place and changing a lot of people's lives and transforming their bodies and their careers. Yeah. No. Absolutely. The proof is in the pudding. I mean, you see what Caesar's been doing for a lot of wrestlers, a lot of people, not just wrestlers as well. I think when he... When I started work with him, he said he had about 45 wrestlers he was currently working with, currently. You know, not even just people that he has worked with. I mean, almost like 120 clients whole. I mean, he's going the route up like a DDP. You know, he's helped. He's finding a second career now. He was a wrestler for a while. He was in NXT, then he was in AEW, and now he's doing this. And he found his niche. I mean, it's amazing. He's easy to work with. The greatest thing about him, excuse me, I've worked with an online coach before. But the best thing about Caesar is that he's with you every step of the way. You know, you can message him at any time. He gets back to you within 20 minutes at the absolute most. If you have a question about the nutrition, you have a question about the workout. If you change something, he's right there with you. He's like motivating you every step of the way. He's not taking like days or weeks to get back to you. He's changing things up if needed. I can't say enough about him. It's been four weeks. I mean, I put out a picture the other day and it's just like, holy crap, man. It's unbelievable just looking at how my body's changing just four weeks working with him. Yeah. I mean, I could sing his praise. We can go an hour giving him free advertisement right here. We got all the stuff to talk about. But if anybody has not looked into Caesar Bernonia, if you're a pro wrestler or if you're not, or someone that just wants to get into shape, it's worth every penny. Absolutely worth every penny. I love hearing that too, because there are a lot of people. I think he wrestled a couple of months ago as well. Yeah, he's still wrestling a little bit. He still wrestles. But I mean, he's got something proven that is an additional career path. And why not look in the way that he looks? Why wouldn't you want to look like that? And you know, the best thing is showing is that it's hard to find guys who understand how tall guys should work out. It's a tough thing because it's a much different. If I get, I can't, it's hard. I can't just get advice from bodybuilders. Most bodybuilders are shorter in stock here. So their lifts are going to be a bit different. So Caesar gets that. Even he's a big man, six, six, and he's a wrestler. So it's like I can figure out what was going to work for him. Well, most likely work for me. Maybe not, you know, six, twelve, but it's all right. Close enough. So it's just, it was like it was a no-brainer to work with him. Why do you think more wrestlers don't work on their height? Why do you think wrestlers just don't simply get taller? They don't try hard enough. And they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't try. You know, it's just, I mean, I put in so much work to get to this height that people just don't realize. It's, you know, working your whole life. My whole life, my whole life. I've just continually, it's been a continued grind to get to the height of six foot twelve, which may say people say doesn't exist. It does. It just does. I mean, if you, if you want to like it or not, the height six foot twelve does exist. Just the way you look at it. But yeah, you know, people wanted to say, oh, it's just genetics tonight, man. It's not hours of hard work. I was able to verify this. You grew over an additional six feet since you were born. And I mean, the proof is in the pudding. It is, it is. And that's that. And Sean, yeah, 100% true. It's, it's, it's just fact. I have, I have grown that much. You've been catching a lot of eyes lately. I noticed Matt Cardona, who seems to know a thing or two about standing out, especially outside the auspices. I mean, listen, he knows how to stand out inside the auspices of WWE, as well as outside of it. And you had dropped him a little tweet. And he's like, yeah, I've got my eye on you. I've seen what you're doing. I've noticed you. I've been impressed by you. How does that feel for you? And was that something you expected when you, you dropped him that little tweet? No, no, because I, when I, I see Matt a lot now at events and I'm always, you know, just kind of go back and forth with him and ribbon up and wanting to get him into, into content. And he's just got, he's one of those guys. It means a lot coming from him because he does not throw compliments around. Like at all. No, he doesn't. He's not, he's not someone that's just going to compliment you and blow smoke up your ass. Right? He ain't going to do that. And he, cause in my buddy, Nick works, works with Matt, helps him with his social media. Coast, the Meepop Express podcast, guys, subscribe to that. And he works with him and he says that. He's like, do that. It's huge because Matt does never, ever compliments people unless he sees someone putting in the hard work. I mean, somebody like, somebody like Matt is like the perfect example of like, of the pinnacle of what I've been trying to do, right? Like, I mean, in 2011, he, nobody was paying attention to him. Nobody cared. And WWE was just another guy on the roster. He didn't, he was kind of floundering. And he's like, you know what? I'm sick of where I am. I'm going to do something about it. I'm not going to sit here and, you know, throw a pity party and complain about not getting enough minutes on TV. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to make Z Long Island story. And he did it. And I mean, I don't think it's going to the, it's not really going out on a limb here. I mean, he was the first guy to really take advantage of social media when it got big. Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, by far, like the blogs and Twitter, I remember when he, he was hitting benchmarks on Twitter. We didn't even know that many damn people were on Twitter. No. No, no, the vlog just exploded back then back then in wrestling. We're like, what the hell's a vlog? What's he doing? Nobody knew what he was doing. No. And it was just, it was like, and I was talking to him about this a few weeks ago. And I'm like, why'd you start? You really like started it to kind of just like pop yourself, right? And your buddies? He's like, yeah, I mean, that was really, you know, what I was doing. And then it took off. Like you didn't, he didn't, I don't think he had the aspirations going to take off like you did, but he's like, I'm going to do something different and see if it catches on. And it did. And that's why I started what I'm doing, Sean. Because about a year ago, I almost just said like, I'm done with it. Like I can't stand wrestling. Like I don't know what I'm going to do. I can't figure it out. I was becoming like, you know, on this height, I'm aesthetically pleasing. You know, I'm not trying, I'm humbly speaking, aesthetically pleasing. Like I'm like, what the heck can I do? And you know, you always have people nonstop come up to me. Oh, you know, well, Vince would love you and, oh, you're going to get a job. You're going to get a contract. You're going to get this. You're going to get this. I'm like, okay, then where is it? Yeah. What else do I need to do? So I was like, you know what? Maybe they're saying for me. And then, you know, one day I just was, I was just sitting on my couch, Nick texts me and said, hey, do you want to start this podcast? And I'm like, you know what? Let's do it. And then what really set me over the edge of doing this, Sean, was that Sam Adonis reached out to me. He's brilliant guy. He really is. And we've never met. We've just followed each other on social media. Always kept up with each other, respect to each other's doing. And he just saw something I was doing. I forgot what exactly what it was. But he saw something and he's just like, he's like, okay, man, you can take this like advice that you want. You know, I know we never met like this, that, the other, but it's like, you need to like, I see like stuff that you've been doing and like, you need to understand that you're different. You're different than everybody on the indies. Like you're not just this tall guy looking like Mongoloid looking guy, right? He's like, you're a tall guy, you're a good looking guy. Like you have, like you have something. He's like, but it feels like you're just kind of kowtow into like what people want. And you're just giving in to like, just all these carnies and professional wrestling. He's like, treat wrestling like you don't need it. Like just treat it like you don't need it. He's like, and don't give a shit about what can I swear to Sean? Of course. Okay. Don't give a shit about what people say. And that kind of just, he's like, try to like, take a different path. He's like, don't do the same. Like don't like follow same because at the end of the day, people don't want, don't really want you to succeed. A lot of people don't want you to succeed in wrestling. It's very corny. They want to keep you down as much as possible. So I said, all right, you know what? I have this content that Nick wants to do is great advice from Sam. I like to make fun of wrestling. I think it's silly. It's a circus. Why don't I just put it in video for? Let's see what happens. And I just did it to pop myself. I didn't do it because I'm like, oh, this is going to take off and I want to get a job out of this. Or, you know, I was just like, let's have some fun and make this fun again. It's like almost like it was therapeutic. That's what this is. Now we're here. So my favorite things that I've seen in wrestling like over the last couple of years are like you doing those. Maddy Rinkowski before she got signed, she would do main character Maddy and do these little interviews. Yeah. Great stuff. We're in holiday right now trolling all of Instagram by telling them to give him his flowers. And they're like, who are you? Yeah. And like they sometimes they get it. Sometimes they don't. When the people don't get it and they're like, well, you're a nobody, yada, yada. I mean, listen, you'll have people with, I mean, you just did a thing with Jack Bond. Jack Bond. Or played off of that where it's like, yeah, I just won the title at WrestleMania. And they're still like, you're a nobody. He still doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You're never going to, you're never going to win with those people. Yes. And that's, and that's like the rib. Right? It's like we, I know, you know, I know I'm never going to win with those people. You're never going to win. If people see something's getting popular and people are reacting to it, it's like the internet and what wants to have like an equilibrium. And it's just like, oh, oh, it's getting good. It's getting, oh, wait a minute. No, I can't be at too good. Not on my watch. I want to. I had people asking me if I thought that Joe Hendry would face John Cena next year. I was like, next year they'll, they'll turn on him by then. The audience is going to be, they're going to treat him like he's not cool by then. What are you talking about next year for? That's how it goes. That's how it goes. And that's how the internet is. And that's how, and I, and I know that's how it is. And it's like the video I put out with, the video I put out of me being like the disgruntled WWE guy coming to the indies, right? I put, I put it out that it was like, you know, cutting like the promo, like it doesn't like you don't care about the place you're going to. And people took it like, it's like, I don't, you weren't in WWE. I was like, you should, and I just played along. I'm like, yeah, it was. Like, what do you mean you weren't? No, you weren't. You absolutely weren't. And they just didn't get it. And they didn't get any of it. I'm just like, guys, it's a joke for I say, man, but it's just, it's funny. And I just, I love playing the bad audience because first of all, they don't realize that if they hate it, they're giving me so much engagement. And they're giving me so many comments and the likes and the cop, they just continue. It continues to roll in. And man, I'll take it, I think it works. When you don't appeal to the lowest common denominator, the lowest common denominator never understands what actually helps you. No. And then they go, they do that. You don't, Sean, I mean, does anybody get more hate than you, Sean? I have. Personally, I've never interacted with a troll. I've never once given breath to a troll on the internet. You can't find evidence of it in any time that it looked like I did. I was hacked. So that's it. That's it. It's hacked. It's AI. It's all those things. That's the situation. We can't wait so much nowadays, can't we? Yeah. I mean, that's, so that was the thing like that my legit attorney once said to me, he goes, you know, people have said so much ridiculous shit about you. That isn't true. At this point, you could punch somebody's grandma and people would have reason to doubt it. I was like, I was like, that's not a thing I'm proud of. I'm not proud that people are so weird about it. I mean, that does come with success and longevity and things like that. That's it. There are people that tell on themselves, like in your comments section and Richards was another one. I was like, man, I've watched this guy work like 20, 30 minute main event matches for world titles. They can work and you're in a situation where a lot of people that are your size and looked like you, they don't, they, they'll rest on those laurels, they'll, they'll do that and you don't. You are expanding and doing a lot more and you're, it's, I don't want to say natural because it takes a lot of work as well, but did this come to you naturally or was it something where you were like, you know what, I need to tweak this. I need to alter this. How did that sort of develop? Yeah. Great question. You know, I'll answer the first about people arrested on their laurels because like many do guys, my size can easily do that because a lot of guys, my size are handed opportunities left and right. Yeah. Just so happens, I wasn't the guy who get, get a handout. It's all right, right? So I, I thought I would be John at the, like at the beginning when I first started because like I said, so many people come to me. This guy would love me. This guy, you're getting signed in six months. You're getting signed in a year. You're getting signed in two years. Oh, you're, you'll be fine. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. The first three, four years of my career, I'm like, oh, you know, I just, I'm just wait. I'm gonna wait around. I'll be fine. I'll be fine. Hasn't happened yet. I've been to, I've had, I've had a WWE try out. I've been to AEW a bunch of times. I've seen a bunch of guys that are tall get signed, you know, sight unseen guys who've never taken a bump in their life, not gonna go on a rant, get signed. And I'm just like, you know, it is what it is. That, you know, to answer your question about like, did it come natural? And no, I mean, it's, it does, it takes work, but it is, it is. You know this, Sean, you've tried, you've trained, you've done this. You understand, in wrestling, what is like one of the first things that you're taught is like, you know, mouth closed, ears open, all this, that right, you know? And like, yeah, to an extent, but do that, like, there's so many, like every other job, every other sport, that's, that's never been taught. I played Division One basketball, like no one ever said, keep, you know, you respect everybody to an extent, but I don't have to respect, I don't have to respect a basketball player that, that their highest level was JV basketball just because you've been involved with basketball for 15 years longer than me. I don't have to respect you if you're a dick. Yeah. I don't have to, I don't have to do, but in wrestling, it's like this weird, this weird thing, I'll respect, you know, it's that and the other and no, I get, I got to the point where I'm like, I can be a natural performer. I can do something outside the grain here against the grain here. And I can, I, I've always, I've always kind of been like into like acting and performing and all this type of stuff. But why don't I just do that type of thing instead of just being like, I'm a big guy, my time's going to come. I'm just going to put out moves of me doing sidewalk slams and choke slams. Everybody can, right? Like it's like, I, I look at all these, all these videos and I'll put out a video of me doing something cool in the ring. I had 1500 views, but then I'll make a stupid video of me making fun of a crappy shitty indie promoter, 15,000 views, you know, 20,000 views. And it's like, that's what, that's what resonates with people. I say, I, I've been preaching this for such a long time about it's not anything to do with the ring. Nothing, nothing about the wrestling, like that's not what resonates with people. Look it. You just mentioned them. Joe Hendry, right? I bet you 99% of people who have heard the Joe Hendry theme song have not seen Joe Hendry wrestle. Yeah. And that's nothing against Joe Hendry wrestling. By any means, it's just that his now, his face is a meme. The song is over, it's understated. And that's, and that's what people care about. So when he shows up at NXT for the first time and makes that entrance, that entrance is the second most watched video since WrestleMania or first most watched video since WrestleMania, whatever it ended up being. Do you think anybody care that he got eliminated first in that battle royale or remember? No. So it's like, I mean, RJ City and Dan Howes and I hadn't seen one of their matches for a year after I knew them. Mm hmm. Exactly. And that's, that's what, that was another one of my inspirations with RJ City is watching him like dirt, like 2018, 2019, listen, like watching his videos, watching him, like, I never watched a match. I didn't need to. I was interested in RJ City. Good luck finding one. Yeah. And he would probably say thank you. I don't even care that you ever watched me wrestle you wouldn't give a shit. Dan Howes and same thing that it's just, you realize like in this day and age and how social media and all this stuff works, like the wrestling is just people just want to be entertained, right? And like, and this is, this is not putting down anybody who's a great technical wrestler by any means, but you need both, you need, but you need to be, you need to be able to go in the room. So you need to be somewhat entertaining to the audience. You know, it's not, it's not a day and age where it's like people just want to watch 30 minute matches without any type of investment in that character or that person. If it's just a match happening, like, why wouldn't amateur wrestling be the biggest thing in the, in the world? Right? And it's just not. So it's, it's, so like, I realize like I'm not going to get over by just being a big guy. Yeah. People look at me like I can walk into a room and everyone's going to be like, who the hell that? Oh, it's not big cast, never mind. You know, I can, I can do that and I can get people to pay attention. I can pass every airport test in the world, but like, just for like, I need something more. I can't just, and I've always had it. It just took me a while to like finally be like, you know what, I don't care what people think. I'm going to do, I'm going to try to do this my own way. So Matt Cardona wasn't the only person that I saw you sort of, I don't want to say shoot your shot with, but you did shoot your shot with Steve Kay, an agent who a lot of people in wrestling might not know. And confusingly saw him walk into the squared circle expo battle royal that I dominated before I got eliminated. Which one? The squared circle. Was that last year or this year's I got choked slam by Horn Swaggle and thrown over the top row. Oh, the night, the night before. Oh, you're at the night before. Well, cause I was at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. I'm going to ask you about battle royals shortly because I listen, I'm a geek for battle royals. I worked 30 minutes in one, a couple of months ago, but Steve Kay is like, he's a former WDB employee who has become very powerful in the managing and like representation side of things. What motivated you to do that because, I mean, he fantastic at what he does. He and Mojo, I think are going to be very, very important and influential to the future of wrestling and negotiating deals and getting brand partnerships. Well, I don't want to kill Kay Fabe here, Sean, but Steve reached out to me. Oh, no. And then I reached out to Steve and then I did that video about what a mark Steve Kay exposed again. No, no, Steve, I've known Steve for a while. So I've known. He's great. So I've known, I met Steve last year at, um, when me and Nick went to, I thought they got it all bloodiest, uh, starcats, starcats. Yeah. Right. So we, when we went there, we met Steve, we met Derek, a few of the other guys that were involved with creating starcats, um, and they were awesome. They let us kind of do the press thing. Let us do our own thing there. Very cool to us, but again, you know, they were cool, but they were like, let's see what you guys can do. Right? Like, you know, we're going to respect you, but we're not going to like, put you over until we kind of see, put the work in. And so Steve's been seeing it and seeing what I've been doing. And, you know, Steve's like, hell dude, like, you know, you're on your way, on your way. Had the conversation with Steve, you know, I, um, been in contact Mojo, you know, reached out to, he said, Steve told me that Mojo reached out to him and goes, who's this guy? Yeah. Who's this guy? Um, and he then Mojo reached out to me personally and was just like, dude, I love your content, I love what you're doing, um, and we've just been in contact kind of ever since. So, um, I was like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not there yet, Steve, not there yet. But you know, hopefully eventually I, Steve's a great guy, Mojo's great. I told them what they're doing is awesome, trying to legitimize this stuff, making it a lot less corny than it is as it should be, as it should be. So, um, yeah, you know, I just, I mean, we've always had a good relationship. Yeah. So I, I really wish the best for those guys. And I'm sure in the future, we'll definitely be working together. So, I mentioned, uh, the battle royals, or you did rather as a big dude, you were going to be booked in so many battle royals in your life and you already are. Those can be mayhem and usually are because there's very little, like, organization there. For example, the one that I mentioned, when I found out where I was and the horn saga would be in right after me, I said, what do you want to do? And he said, choke slam and throw you over the top. Great. I'm in. 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There's a guy who is legitimately huge and can physically remove someone from the situation if need be. Have you run into that situation before where you're like, "I got to get this turd out of here." Oh yeah. Oh. Absolutely. I mean, I was in one about a year ago and it was like a Royal Rumble style one, right? I was the first one in and I was going over and it was like me and like three guys who knew how to work and then like maybe 10 green kids. I hate using that term, but just inexperienced, inexperienced guys, right? And nothing against them. It's like one of their first, second, third matches and this one kid comes in then and just like lighting me up with kicks to the leg and I said, "Dude, you got to chill out, please. Like you got to chill out." And I said it for a third time, like, "Stop, dude. You got to stop." And then finally, the last second, I just grabbed them and I just gave them one very, very stiff shot and I'm like, "You got to go out now. Like, dude, that's like, I'm still not getting to the spot. Dude, you got to get out of this match." The most chaotic one I was in though was at WrestleCade this past year. See, so I want to be in that one so bad, but then I heard all the stories. God. And like, it worked fine, but I'm in the ring and it's a 16 by 16 ring. So folks, that's small. So in comparison, if you don't know, WWE is 20 by 20. So this is much smaller of a ring with 34 more this year, it was about 34, 35. In this 16 by 16 ring, what do you do? Right? And at one point, I think we're five minutes in and there was, we only really knew like who the last like four were supposed to be in the match. Yeah. We're about 30, like five minutes in and no one's going out. And we're just like, no one's going out. And at one point, like we knew like the top, like we knew the top four, we kind of had an idea what the top 10 was supposed to be, right? And I was kind of part of that. Richard Holliday was part of it, facade, a few others. And at one point, I just hear Richard Holliday go, "Somebody's going to get the out of this ring." I love the thought because I mean like Ricky Morton, Mr. Hughes were in that and I'm like, what kind of bump over the top are they taken at this stage? Oh, dude. Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you, I'll tell you one about that in a second, but I remember in this room, I'm working a guy in the corner and I had no idea who it was, right? I'm like, I'm just doing like the Kevin Nash spot in the corner, throwing back elbows, knees to the gut, all this stuff and I'm about to throw him out. He goes, "No, no, no. I can't go out yet." I'm like, who's this guy? I'm such an idiot. It was van Piro. I had no idea because I didn't know who else was in this match. I just, guys, we're just in the ring. So I'm like, for the record to the viewer, violent J of the insane clown posse won this match. Oh, unbelievable. My boss, Jason, at JCW. Yes. So, but speaking of, speaking of guys, I can't go over in the squared circle X, but I'm in too many battle royals. At the squared circle X, but when we did that one, Tommy Rich was in the match. Yes, he was. And so we're all, like, you know, we're all taught, it was a cold cabana, man's warner, me, Nate Webb. Nate Webb. Yeah. And we, and so Tommy, and so I was going over this one, but Tommy Rich, but guys, I can't go over the top row. And I'm like, what are we going to do? So we're trying to, so I'm just like, all right, listen, listen, listen. I got you. I'm like, how about this? You come in. You just fire fire off. A bunch of guys bump off here. We all feed into you. He's like, then I'm just going to pick you up and I'm just going to put you over. It's our probe. And I'll just give you a shot, Tommy. Yeah. You can do that. You're good man. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. It's a boom. We did it. He's like, thank you so much, brother. Thank you. Like I got you, dude. I got you. But yeah, you can't. Don't remember. He couldn't go over the top. I broke. What a worker, man. That's how you couldn't go over the top. The night before, the person was supposed to grab me and just throw me over that way. It was so funny the way Horn swag will produce it. He goes, yeah, because the camera won't physically be able to see me if it's on this side. And he takes me. He grabs the wrong end of me. And then I go backwards over like how Cain used to go over the top. Yeah. Did you make it look clean though? Ah, it looked good. And I'm looking like shit. I mean, I ended up getting over, but it didn't look. That's all I meant. That's all I meant. Yeah. So recently you had a, a blockbuster ratings appearance on A.W. Rampage. Nope. Sure did. Mr. 55 K and Mr. 55 K against Roderick Strong. This was not your first time in AEW though. You had appeared there in the past. I did. The first appearance come about and, and how did the second one come about? Yeah. So the first appearance, I was in, so I first one was in 2021 and when they were doing all the darks at Daily's Place and kind of still during the pandemic, right in the ad June, right? Actually, before they started going back on the road again, like that last you tapings there, I was just in contact with QT Marshall for a bit about like figuring out a time to go down. They invented it up inviting me. It was about a week. I was there for about like two tapings. I forget exactly two dark tapings, a dynamite and something else, like the film, something else there. And it was great. You know, it was a really good experience. I got to work against Bronson, now of the iron staff, just one really bare country. Great guy if anybody's ever met him, which is why it's an absolute tremendous human being. And it was a great experience. Second time got to work Preston Vance, also great guy enjoyed, enjoyed that experience as well. It was a little bit more, you know, I was a little bit more experienced. There was a little bit better on my end, working wise, but they were both darks, right? They weren't, they, at the end of the day, you know, it's an awesome experience, anyone that's done it, but it wasn't TV. It's not, not national TV. So when I went back this time, I just got a random, I haven't, I didn't hit up AEW for two years. Right? I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to really get out of doing too many darks. You know, let's see, they know who I am at this point. You know, if I get invited back, I get invited back, but I'm going to keep doing my thing on the Indies. So I just got an email from Sean Dean, and he just invited me and just said, hey, you know, you want to come to Mississippi, Memphis, Mississippi where it was outside of Memphis. But yeah, sure, why not? You know, I did out of nowhere, and so I did it. And this time it just felt a little different, Sean. It just kind of felt more, like I felt more natural, right? I just, now I started knowing more people on the Indies scene and it just had more like, you know, acquaintances, friends there, and what was cool is that, when I was there, it's just people kept coming up to me and mentioning the videos. They're like, wait, you're the guy that makes those videos. And I'm like, yeah, that's amazing. You're this tall? What? And I'm like, oh, yeah, you didn't, and it's like, oh, we don't know. We can't tell on the videos. I'm tall. You are. You're this big? I'm like, yeah, he's like, holy shit. And I'm like, yeah, no, that's me, I'm just Ben. And then Jarrett, which was like the coolest thing, Jeff Jarrett, I was walking by catering and he just says, who is that guy? And one of the producers says to him, he's like, oh, that's Ben. You don't know Ben? He's like, no, I don't know. Ben is. And he's like, well, look at his video. So he shows him a video and then Jarrett comes up to me and starts riving me about one of the videos doing the Shindi promoter gimmick back to me and took me like 30 seconds to figure out what the hell he was doing. I'm like, what? Oh, I know what you're doing. And then I just found out I had a match, I had no idea, like one of the producers just like, by the way, you know, you're working Roderick strong tonight. That's what I am. Yeah. So I was like, okay, that sounds great. How much time? I got two minutes. Oh, perfect. Great. Two minutes. What are we going to do? So talk to Roddy. We went over it. And, you know what, a lot of people in my position and my size could have easily said what the hell and sat there and pity, you know, throwing a pity party felt bad for yourself and just like, you know, like this is, this is BS, I'm a big guy with all this shit, right? I did that for about three minutes and I did a field. I was like, you know, like, what the hell, man? Like why can't like, they don't see me, they don't think I can do anything. Like what, but then I thought I'm like, now, you know what, this is great. This is great because I'm, I already have an idea what I'm going to do here. So, you know, we go out and do the thing I knew exactly when the hard camp was going to be on me because I already did it twice. I know when they call your name, that is the only time you're guaranteed that hard camp is going to be on. And so I just said, all right, I know that's going to happen. So I'm going to have the cheesiest grin in the stupidest post of all time. And I just did it in a mirror five minutes before I went out there. And I'm like, all right. This is it. Perfect. And, you know, the match happened. We did what we did. You know, if you blame, if you blame, you missed it. But I had in my mind, I'm like, I am going to play. And I'm happy it was rampage on because it was there, I was there for a collision and a rampage and a ring of honor. And they had all the, all the taping, right? Well, collision wasn't tape, but I'm happy it was rampant because we have a week now. So I'm like, for this whole week, I am going to play this shit off. Like it is the biggest match of my career. And now I'm going to make everyone think that this is like, I am going to, like, I'm the next big thing, right? And so that was my whole like content. You played it up so big that I was like, does he actually have a match or is he just going rogue and saying this? And I kind of did. And you know, because nobody, I looked at him like no other, you know, enhancement talent does this. Yeah. Nobody, because everyone just like, Hey, I was on rampage fun. Here's some pictures. That was cool. And there's my, here's my cool, uh, lower third, you know, and that's, that's fine. Cause that's what normal everyone does. Everyone's kind of shied it all against the grain when it comes to like a big company like that. She's like, Oh, I might get heat. I might get heat. I'm like, forget the heat, man. I don't care about the heat anymore. I'm, if I do that, I'm going to be right in the same place on that, right? If people get mad at me for trying to promote the show and trying to get people to watch, so be it. I mean, that's the whole point of wrestling, right? So, you know, the whole week goes, I just, I just play it off, biggest thing that's going to happen. And I'm like, this could either go great, or this could blow up in my face and everyone's, I'm the laugh and stock of pro wrestling forever, right? So or at least for like a week. And so I'm like, I know, I'm going to make that highlight video. I had to highlight video and I had the, by the reaction with my white video already in the back of my mind. And I'm like, I think these will do well. I think fortunately they did it because I was just like, because everyone got everywhere and everyone, for the most part, 99% of people got it when I was doing. And it was, you know, and fortunately, it was just something different and it's, it's been great. It's been a great few weeks. It's been fun. You know, wrestling's a roller coaster, right? It goes up and down, up and down, up and down. So just ride the high as much as possible and take advantage of it. But the thing with me showing is I'm not a one trick pony. Like, I'm not, I'm not going to go, I'm not, you know, just go out there. I've been doing, I've been doing these videos for a year now, like it's not like I just did this one thing on Rampage and I'm like, yeah, I'm, I'm going to milk the shit out of it till it's dry. But I'm like, I'm not just going away. I think I'm going to continue, I'm going to continue to make these videos. I have a ton of stuff in the back, man. Most of the time I struggle because I have all these, I have all these ideas. I'm like, what should I put out now? Right. So like, I have a ton of stuff. I'm a creative guy putting myself over like, like crazy right now. I'm a creative guy. I'll say it as well. You're a very creative guy. Thank you. And so that guy, I just want to like, I just want to like, keep doing it and show people. I have so many ideas, things that I think could really work, you know, I've given the right platform, but I'm not going to sit here and complain. It's like, I'm not on TV. I can't get, I can't get enough, enough reach. No, I can get reach and I can show in that I can get, I'm showing that I can get reach. And that's what gets me, you know, a little like upset at times when I hear guys so like, oh, I can't get enough time on TV. I'm not getting my, I'm not getting my minutes. I'm not doing this. I, they're not putting me over this stat and the other. And yeah, that's, that's, I get why you'd be miserable with that, right? Like, I'm not, I'm not downplaying that that, that does stay for guys that have to sit and catering all the time. I would be the same way. I'd be upset as well. But there's so many other ways like, like, I can say, I look at Matt, look at show Henry, look at what Dan Hauser did, go down the line. And so it like, and then, you know, you guys like me and Jack Vaughn, we're trying to do it as well, you know, and just, you can get the social media gives you another, gives you that chance to do it. You're probably going to be seen by way more people if you do it on social media and some people that watch shows. So like, that, that's just like a perfect avenue to go. And so I, I, I'm like, hey, you can, I, it highly had a minute and 30 seconds, whatever it was. Right. And I'm taking advantage of it for the past three weeks and I just wish more guys would and I think it, because I think there's a lot of creative guys out there. I think just guys aren't, you just don't want to like rock the boat is what it is. They don't want to rock the boat because it, but no one's ever gotten ahead by not rocking the boat. It's kind of got, you got to kind of do your own thing, you got to be creative. Because once they see people are getting behind you, there, there's no choice that. There's no choice. Right. So like, I, I wish I saw more of it. You had mentioned how much you like acting earlier on, especially bigger dudes in wrestling transition to acting very, very well. Kurgan is in a bunch of like, yeah, really good movies, Nathan Jones in a bunch of movies. The new juggernaut was, was a former FCW wrestler even like it's, is that something that you, you've got in mind and can, I mean, like this is, this is, you're the young fellow on the blog. They, they do not come around as tall and as big as you anymore. They used to sort of grow on trees 15, 20 years ago. They do not anymore. No. No, they're probably doing other stuff like, you know, being an Olympic athlete or, or in the NBA. So no, yeah, or in the NFL. Yeah. No, I, I've always, I've always enjoyed performing. I've always enjoyed acting. That was like the thing I really liked about wrestling growing up. I liked the pageantry of it. I just liked the performance aspect of it. And you've got to mention Kevin Nash as well. My favorite one time. He also has done a ton of acting. And yeah, I actually, I got, I got a part in an indie movie that we're going to film in August. And I'm really excited. It's a rom-com actually. So it's not the normal, like, I'm just going to be the, like, an action movie getting beat up by the hero or something. We'll see what, we'll see what happens. But I think there's a wrestling scene in it. So we'll work out pretty nicely, a nice segue into it. So I'm very excited about that. And I've done, I've done Young Rock. I did the WWN, like, whatever, I'm saying, I did the WW2K commercial. It's out there. I was HOCO. You can see it. But, you know, I got a bunch of ideas for that. I know I've talked to a few people about doing, like, stunt work as well. There's not a lot of guys that do it. I was talking to one of the producers at AEW and he was telling me, like, dude, there's this guy who's, like, 610 and he's the only one out there right now doing stunt work and look at his resume. The only one out there that size doing stunt work is, like, look at his resume. And it was, like, every Marvel movie, just, boom, like, down. And stunt money is much better than independent wrestling money. I don't know if I'm, I don't know if I'm, that's a big surprise to anybody, but it is really good. It's really good money, especially if you're doing Marvel level movies. Yeah. So yeah, it's something that I'm definitely going to, I definitely want to look into. I'm going to see where wrestling goes for the next year or so and see if, you know, we can make something of this. You know, I think we're getting there on the press of this. But, you know, I love, I love acting. I love performing. It's always, that's really the number one thing I've always enjoyed about the, about this whole thing. Uh, surprise, it's not the in-ring stuff. So we'll, uh, so yeah, we'll see where, we'll see where it goes. I hope to, I hope to do more of it in the future. As we wrap up, we've talked about meat pop express. We've talked about your aspirations for acting, the content that you do, the in-ring wrestling. That is something that big trouble Ben Bishop enjoys that most people might not know that he enjoys besides, obviously, a nice act. Oh, yeah. I get so many. I, I collect brewery hats. So yeah. Okay. That's all hats from different breweries. Yeah. I got to get more of them. I, I spend way too much money on hats. Um, I, Sean, I am so good at trivia. Really? I am very good at what, what specific kind, like a category specific category? The category is tough. Uh, general, most, mostly general, unless like the other, like a few weeks ago, me and my wife went to this brewery near our house and it was just us two and it was Simpson's trivia. Okay. And that's something that I grew up watching the Simpsons every single day, six and six thirty on Fox. I don't know when it came on where you were, the six and six thirty where I was every single night, especially seasons one through ten. I'm a damn near an expert and it was just me and I was going against teams of like eight, nine, ten people. It was just me. I came in third out of about fifteen people came in third alone. It was because my wife doesn't know anything about the Simpsons. So it was just me and I'm sitting there just answering. And, but general trivia, it's tough because like I've done like friends trivia, forget it. These people. Yeah. I don't, I know basic stuff. I mean, I've tried, I've had to catch my wife up on the Simpsons as well because she was not a viewer and she wanted to go to Harry Potter world so bad. That's what she loved. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't get it. I was like, yeah, sure, we'll go. But then I hit Simpsons land and then I understood. Then I got it. Then I was like, okay, I'm going to eat this crusty burger over here. You go enjoy your gilly water or whatever, your twenty three dollar your twenty three dollar crusty burger. But it was worth it. Yes. It was. It was. I feel sorry. I said the same thing. Like I went to, we went to Universal two years ago and like it was me, my wife, her sister, my brother-in-law, we all, and I, they were like all fire up about Harry Potter. Now it's, it's amazing. It's like, it really is incredible to see like Harry Potter world and all that. But man, when I walked into Springfield and I was just, I was like a kid in the candy store. I had a duffier, you know, they had a donut. Like all thinking I was just like, oh, man, like everything's overpriced. It's just normal. It's like, a duffier is like a yingling, right? Like it's not that crazy, but it's just so cool to be in most tavern. I think they're redoing it. I think they're like, yeah, they are. I love the virtual coaster too. I thought that was a lot of fun. I thought it was great. Everything, everything about it. I was just smiling all the time because I'm like, this is so, this is so awesome. No, I think they're not. No, they're, they're taking out Springfield, like they'd say they're going to know there's no more Sims. Yeah, I know. I'm glad that I'm glad that I went there then. I'm so glad that I went there. Oh, absolutely. But yeah, trivia, we try to do it every week. They'd say go to a brewery and play trivia. And yeah, that's something that if you ever, if anybody ever needs a partner, I'm your guy. Hell yeah. Well, tell the people where they can support you, where they can follow you, where they can find you. You are a great social media follow. Oh, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. So guys, you see at Big Trouble BB on Twitter, on Instagram, I'm trying to figure out TikTok. I can't, I can't figure out TikTok. But hey, I'm on there too. I'm doing it. I'm giving the same boat. Give it to the college. Try it. Isn't it weird, man? Like you go on and it's like, oh man, if it's doing well on Twitter and Instagram, you're like 500 views on TikTok. It is a completely different audience. It's a completely different audience. We have over a hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube. I got 300,000 on Twitter. And then I'll post a video of my face reading a news story. And there will be tons of comments saying, I had no idea what you look like. I had only seen your name written and I was like completely different audience. It's wild. The internet's a giant, weird place. It really is. It's like space. It is the five. I think it is the actual final frontier is the internet. So yeah. So but Twitter, Instagram, TikTok at Big Trouble BB, keeping it simple. And see me at a ton of events in or around where you live. I mean, hey, I'm going to be at coming up on August 9th. I'm here in Georgia at Southern Honor Wrestling August 10th. I'm in view for Georgia at Disruptor Wrestling. I am going to be as of now, it was just announced today, we'll be at the gathering of the juggalos outside of Columbus, Ohio. Yeah. What a what a time that'll be. And then September 14th and outside of Chicago, Sycamore, Illinois for WCPW wrestling, September 20th back in Georgia, September 21st, knuckle brawl in fight, fact, fight factory wrestling and Staten Island, New York, I'm going up against Danny Moff for the fight factory title that night. A great new promotion by the way. So I should get up that way. It's a good way. It's a real good one. So yeah. Fight factory wrestling. I saw you post a clip from, I think it was maybe a podcast they did or podcast about the show. Yeah. About the show. Yeah. It's up at we had our show a couple of weeks ago at Martel's T.E.B.R. in Point Pleasant. It was a Tuesday night show. Okay. It doesn't happen much in the wrestling. Yeah. But we had a great turnout. I mean, it's a vacation spot, right? So people were that there were people out on the on the Jersey Shore and awesome, awesome show had some really good talent there, Janela, Santana. We had Cardona was there, Mandy Rose, and Ash by Elegance, her new name is also there. So yeah, we had a it was a it was an awesome show. Awesome promotion. So that's what I'm really happy to be a part of. So putting them over there. You're welcome, guys. Dave Sturt show. You're welcome again. You know, free free promotion. What I've done done the entire time for you free promotion, but yeah, me and Danny Moffal lock up then on September 21st, Shelton Benjamin will also be there. So my one of my favorite one of the all time best, there you go. More of a reason for you to show up, Sean. I know. My God, guys, check him out. Big trouble. Ben Bishop, we will be talking to him again in the future until next time guys we're out. If you're a facilities manager at a warehouse and your HVAC system goes down, it can turn up the heat literally, but don't sweat it. Granger has you covered Granger offers over a million industrial grade products for all your operations, including warehouse HVAC maintenance and even better. They offer access to experts and fast delivery, so you and your warehouse can both keep your cool. Call 1-800-GRANGER, click Granger.com, or just stop by. Granger, for the ones who get it done.
