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Well, I guess it's time to head West. Kamala Harris rallies in battleground Arizona as Trump gets back on the trail. This time in reliably red Montana. Plus, we've got the body. I'm talking about Jesse, the body, even Tura, turned former at Minnesota Governor. He joins me to talk about the VP pick, Governor Tim Walls, and I really can't wait to hear what he has to say about the criticism about Walls' military service. You know what they say, success is the best kind of revenge. Well, look at who just silenced the critics. The Algerian boxer who was bullied online extensively after her opening Olympic bout, well, she just took home the gold. ♪♪ Alright, right now Donald Trump is back on the campaign trail. He's about to speak at a rally in Bozeman, Montana. You know, it's actually his first one since Kamala Harris officially became the Democratic nominee and saw a surge in her poll numbers. Now, given how close this race has become, you expect him to be in a battleground state, right? Instead, he's in one that he won by 16 points in 2020. And it's pretty much guaranteed to go red. And there's two ways to ask the next key question. So why would he go there? Maybe the question should be, why would he go there? Well, he says he's helping boost a GOP candidate for Senate in a very tight race, which could end up tipping the balance of the chamber. Now, we don't actually know exactly what Trump's campaigning plans are after tonight, but it is worth noting, this is the only event posted on his campaign's website. And he said at yesterday's news conference that he will pick up his campaigning at the DNC, which by the way, ends on August 22nd. That's two weeks from now. Harris and Tim Walls, by contrast, are keeping the pedal to the metal. They're also out West for this time of two-day campaign. Blitz, starting with tonight's stop in Glendale, Arizona. And while there, Harris appeared to counter one of Trump's personal attacks against her, after he claimed yesterday that she isn't smart. (crowd chanting) And part of why we are going to win is because we remember. And we are smart. And we know what's happening, and we're not falling for the gaslighting, and we're not falling for the okey-doke. (crowd cheering) With a campaign also making a dig at Trump's light schedule. Saying in a statement, Donald Trump is too lazy to fight for anything but himself or leave his country club. Fine by us. I think that might be code for who's running a basement campaign now. And with me now, he didn't flip a commentator, Van Jones, May Mailman, former Trump White House attorney, and Mark McKinnon, executive precursor of The Circus, and former advisor to George W. Bush. Glad to have you all here. Let me begin with you, May, because I like the color pink and you're in the center, and I want to hear your voice about this. So I'll ask you this question. Trump is in Montana to campaign for a Senate candidate. Montana is not necessarily a battleground state, and I'm using the word necessarily generously. Why do you think he's going there? Is it really about Tester? What's the reason you see? I mean, I do, I think you're going to meet with donors, so that's important too. But also, what's the point of being president? If you don't have the Senate, you need the Senate to confirm your traditional nominees. You need the Senate to get your cabinet passed. But he does need to visit swing states. I think that that is true, and I think he will visit those swing states. But Montana is certainly important because you've got to flip the Senate if you're going to be an effective Republican president. - You know, on that point, and it's important to think about ban. I mean, I think the larger question I keep thinking about is this looks different, the campaigning since 2016 or 2020. There's a lot of a familiar playbook that's happening as well when it comes to insults being hurled and otherwise. We're hearing a lot about how Trump has been stewing on the off the campaign trail because some of the attacks he's saying are frankly not as effective as they have been against prior candidates. Why do you think he's on the trail in the way that he is? Is it reactive to trying to take some wind out of the sails and is Montana the way to do so? - This is a fading Vegas act. This is, Donald Trump is like Barry Manilow singing "Mandy" just one more time. Like guys, it's tired. - So you have a song. - It's old, it's not working, and it's over. And so what do you do? You scamper back to some little corner of the country where you can get a hug and kiss it or cookie and somebody can pat you on the head and laugh at all your old stale jokes. But the soda, the fizz has come out of the soda and this thing is in the toilet and starting to swirl. - Wow, and that's a very visual analogy. Indeed, Mark McKinnon, let me turn to you. Do you see this as a fading Vegas act or one that he hopes to rejuvenate and revitalize the campaign by, as Mae is talking about, trying to make sure that if he weren't to secure the Oval Office, he's not gonna be essentially a lame duck. - Fading Vegas act is the perfect description. I was thinking of old Elvis. It feels like old Elvis. And Elvis is like the building. But you know, I tell you what, really shitty today, Laura is that in late 2015, the very first time that I went to see Donald Trump was in Arizona and I remember going there and I remember it being 105 degrees and that there were people lined up for miles and I was just dumbstruck and I said, wow, something's happening here. Well, today, the exact same thing was happening on the ground in Arizona with Kamala Harris, 105 degrees miles of people standing there. So this really feels like more like a movement than a moment and that's what it's gonna require to beat Donald Trump. And I think it's a really interesting observation that Peggy Noonan make to say, which she wrote that she wasn't sure whether or not Harris had actually created the movement or the movement it created her. Meaning, I think that this pent up energy, particularly among Democrats and independents, for this joyous kind of this joy ride that's happening right now and it's just flowing and it's really lighten up with Jet Fuel because of the joy factor, which is something I wrote about today in Vanity Fair. - You know, I had to say, and first of all, anyone who will tell you in Arizona that 105 is okay 'cause it's a dry heat. I say to you, no, it's oppressive. But everyone else on the same point, 'cause you made me think about this, some of the things that have re-energized the base for Democrats has been about the absence of a rematch between Trump and Biden. But some of the things that we're concerning to voters, concerning to Trump specifically and concerning to those who are encouraging Biden to not run for re-election, were about age and mental fitness. Now Harris, on the top of the ticket, and during his press conference yesterday, Trump claimed that he nearly died in a helicopter crash with the former San Francisco mayor, Willie Brown, who once had a relationship of some kind with Harris. I want you to listen to what Brown had to say tonight and also Pete Buttigieg on this very point. Listen. - Have you ever been in a helicopter that made an emergency landing with Donald Trump? - No. - Have you ever been in a helicopter with Donald Trump? - No. - You have no memory of anything like that ever happening? - No. - And you can just tell that he's lost a step. You know, he's getting mushy or fuzzy or more confused. You look at this press conference, he declared that he was in a helicopter that went down with Willie Brown on board. He's never even been in a helicopter with Willie Brown. And it does raise some real concerns about what's happened to Donald Trump over the years, right? - May, that was an extraordinary point, especially for somebody who wants to suggest that his acumen and his acuity is as sharp as a tack. - Yeah, I mean, he does sit though for these lengthy press conferences, combative press conferences that range from everything to foreign policy to candidates that he's barely had time to research. So I don't know if Trump telling stories is just part of the water at this point. I don't really think that that's going to affect the election. What is going to affect the election, I think, is the momentum and where did it come from? Because nobody has learned anything about Kamala Harris. She doesn't even have a policy section on her website. She's able to distance herself from everything that she's done, but able to take credit for everything that the same administration has done. And so it's really hard to find a line of attack there. And that needs to be the next point because this momentum doesn't feel organic. I don't know whether she created it or it created her, but it just came out of nowhere. And it's really, I think, therefore hard to target. - Man, what do you think about that? - Well, you know, I see it very differently. First of all, Nikki Haley said, and she was right when she said it, that the first party to retire their nearly 80-year-old front runner was going to win. It didn't come out of nowhere. Nobody in this country wanted this match up. Nobody, 80% of the country said, "Please, for God's sakes, don't do this to us again." And so literally, if anybody had said, well, I don't know, maybe we don't do the two most unpopular people again, just throw anybody you would have caught this wave. This wave was out there. It was wanting something. But don't take anything away from Kamala Harris. This idea, there's a thousand waves to get this wrong, and only a couple of ways to get it right, even in this environment. And Kamala Harris has played this brilliantly. She has not put one foot wrong yet. Now, she's got to get through some interviews. She's got to get through through the debate. A lot of things can happen. But right now, 100 politicians given this opportunity would have screwed it up. This party is not easy to unite. This party is not easy to lead. This party is not easy in any way. This party is like a dysfunctional family on a good day, and she has somehow got everybody at the kitchen table, acting right. And you've got to give her the credit for that. - Excuse me, Van Mark. I want to go to you on this, because, you know, I've heard this discussion that May has raised about the chicken or the egg, the idea of, you know, the generic nature not having a campaign platform. On the other hand, to Van's point, there has been a unifying and cohesive coalescing around her for the reasons that are being demonstrated by poll numbers, by fundraising and beyond. When you look at the landscape of this, what do you say to the attacks that she is a generic candidate or that her failure to have interviews is going to be destructive in the long run to her campaign? - She's been running for two weeks. (laughs) I mean, it's the time of-- - There you go, and the story. (laughs) - The tape of her today on the tarmac taking questions. I mean, she's been vice president for almost four years. We've seen her a lot. I mean, she's not some unknown character that came out of the mist for God's sakes. And by the way, we're going to have a democratic convention in a week where she's going to lay out her ideas and her platform and her vision for the country. Take an aspirin, people. - Well, there you go. - I mean, that's a t-shirt, by the way. May I ask you on this point though, you did say and suggest that, look, Trump's out there. He's in front of and you think combative interviews and beyond, but he's not talking about policy. He's not talking about his platform. I mean, the idea that Harris is not having, I think you mentioned a webpage devoted to it, when Trump is in front of the cameras, when he's talking to people and waiting to see what we'll say tonight, he's not driving home the point on policy that I think would bring into the fold more voters. So he's just talking about personal attacks and beyond and making comments about helicopters and whatnot. Is he helping himself when he's in front of the cameras? 'Cause that's an opportunity, he's missing. - But I think that that's not exactly right. I think he does talk about the issues. So when Trump talks about securing the border, you actually know what he's talking about, right? Because he had remained in Mexico and used tools at the border that actually were effective, including COVID era tools. Some of them might not be available later, but we can actually have a conversation about that. When Kamala Harris running also on securing the border, it's very strange because what do you mean? I mean, you are the administration now. You could secure the border. You're saying that it's Congress's fault. So I think it's different to have a policy conversation because Trump can actually just say, I was president, I like those policies, I would do that. Kamala Harris, what would you do, we don't know? - I had to say, excuse me, I had to say, if the campaign on either side is, I was president, I like these policies, that's not gonna be effective for voters who want more than just the answer. They want the process. That's part of the platforming and the campaigning. Dan, real quick point, wait, what do you wanna say? - Well, if this is gonna say, she just put out some pretty good ads explaining what she would do. She would implement the bill that Trump stopped. She literally was a part of putting together a bipartisan deal that would have fixed all the stuff and it was Trump who didn't want it. And so if Trump, if he wants to own the border issue, he's gotta own the fact that he stopped it from getting fixed last year. - I'll be curious to see what he has to say tonight, but we're all gonna take Mark McKinnon's advice right now, go take an aspirin. Thank you so much, everyone. Well, Governor Tim Walz taking and talking up his time in the National Guard and there is growing scrutiny on this issue, but you know what? He's not the only Minnesota governor to spend time in the military. Jesse Ventura was a Navy SEAL and the body joins me to discuss next. - Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co-founder of Angie. And one thing I've learned is that you buy a house but you make it a home because with every fix, update, and renovation, it becomes a little more your own. So you need all your jobs done well. For nearly 30 years, Angie has helped millions of homeowners hire skilled pros for the projects that matter. From plumbing to electrical roof repair to deck upgrades. So leave it to the pros who will get your jobs done well. Hire high quality certified pros at angie.com. - They say opposites attract. That's why the sleep number smart bed is the best bed for couples. You can each choose what's right for you whenever you like. 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(crowd cheering) - Presumptive Democratic Vice Presidential candidate, Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota, touting his service, the National Guard, at a campaign rally tonight in Arizona. It comes as Republican VP candidate, Senator JD Vance criticizes Walz's record, accusing him of abandoning his National Guard unit in 2005 to run for Congress before a deployment to Iraq. Well, joining me now, former independent governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura. He endorsed Walz in his recent run for governor. Governor of Ventura, thank you so much for joining me this evening. I'm really eager to hear your take on this because you are a former Navy Seal. You served in Vietnam, and I have to ask you what you think of this attack from the Trump Vans ticket on Governor Walz's military service. - Well, Laura, I'll tell you what I think. I think it's shameful. I think it's shameful that a veteran would attack another veteran. Governor Walz served honorably for 24 years in the National Guard. After 20 years, you are eligible to retire at any time you deem necessary. They talk about him missing his deployment. Well, maybe Mr. Vance should ask the real question. What is the National Guard doing deploying to a foreign country in a foreign war? Well, let's go into history and figure out how that happened. That happened because George W. Bush and Dick Cheney went into the Iraq war based on lies, no weapons of mass destruction, no ties to Okite enough and with 9/11, and they ran out of bodies. They needed more bodies. They couldn't implement a draft. That would be political suicide. So what George Bush did was sign an executive order sending the National Guard into foreign deployment. The National Guard is not for foreign deployment. Their name says what they do. They guard our nation from within. So this hogwash about Governor Waltz missing a deployment, not only that, he's 24 years, he's an E9. I deploy twice. We never even had an E9 with us when we deployed. E9s are not gonna walk the point. They're not gonna be involved in any combat whatsoever. Their figureheads being the most senior enlisted within their company, and that's what it's all about. So I think that Vance is doing a disservice to himself and a disservice to the United States Marine Corps. I know a lot of great Marines and Marines show respect and Vance is not showing respect. And let's talk, let's continue. Who is he have respect for? Donald Trump, the biggest draft Dodger from the Vietnam War, the rich white boy who bought his way out of it. I come from South Minneapolis. My friends and I didn't get out of it. We either got drafted or we enlisted. I know six or seven or eight of my friends. Donald Trump was your typical rich white boy who didn't have to serve in Vietnam 'cause he could buy his way out of it. And that's who Vance is standing with, this guy who leads from the rear. Then why do you think, given all that you've described, from the politics, the history, and of course the person who's on the top of the ticket, who has been criticized for the bone spurs reason for not going to serve. And frankly, I have not served. I am a civilian and have the ultimate reverence for those who have and thank you for your service. So why do you think this is the line of attack to choose politically? Obviously it would offend and alienate voters on one level and also people who have served the armed forces on the other. - I don't know, you'd have to ask Mr. Vance that. I don't understand his motive whatsoever, how he could turn against a fellow veteran. You know, there's kind of an unwritten rule amongst us veterans. You don't criticize another veteran. Not every veteran's a knuckle-dragger. And I'm not gonna define knuckle-dragger because if you've been in the service, you'll know what a knuckle-dragger is. But, you know, as a frog man in the United States Navy, my job was to ensure the Marines could get to shore to do their job. We went in ahead of them. We went in before them to ensure the Marines could land. And his point of being a Marine like he is and then criticizing the governor after 24 years of service, it's despicable on his behalf for doing that. And I hope all veterans feel like I do about it. You don't criticize another veteran and how they served, whether they're a cook or whatever they do, they all have a job to do. And if you're going to be successful, everybody has to do their job and pitch in to be successful. - So well said, I think it's capturing the sentiment of so many people who are watching this. And there is the terms I can think of as kind of an "ick" factor of having people at each other in this way, knowing the nuance and knowing the fact that everyone has served and what's the number, less than 1% of people have protected this nation over time. I do wonder, given your strong feelings and the way in which he has been attacked in this way, and he is addressing it in various ways, it won't be the end of the story. You have endorsed traditionally third party candidates, although you did endorse him for his run for governor. Do you intend to endorse the Harris Waltz ticket now? - Well, I'll tell you this. I met with Bobby Kennedy last winter. We met for three hours. Apparently I came in second. He chose his woman, Shanahan, his running mate. Bobby's still a friend of mine, but I'll tell you where I stand right now. I'm gonna be selfish. A few years ago, I got the opportunity to see the United States elect its first black president. I didn't think that could ever happen. And they even reelected him. Well, now I'm gonna be selfish again. I've only got a few elections to go. I'm 73 years old now, so the window's closing. I want to be alive to see the first woman president of the United States of America and the first woman commander in chief. And we've got her right now. - Governor, thank you so much for sharing your views on this issue. I think a lot of people have been very interested to hear what you have said. So you are officially endorsing the Harris Wall's ticket. Excuse me. - Yes, I want to see a woman president. It's time for a woman president. We men have screwed it up enough. And you know what? Maybe we'll finally get some legitimate thing on the abortion issue. You know how to solve abortion? Hold men responsible. They're the ones ultimately responsible for all abortions. If you hold men responsible, then you'll see a big change in the abortion rules. - What does that mean to hold them responsible? - They're responsible for every abortion that could take place. They are the aggressor. Sex tells you that. - You mean in terms of the, I think it's on rape? - There can't be a baby without a man's involvement. That's what I'm telling you. So until you hold the men responsible for impregnating women, you're not gonna get any type of legitimate type of law passed. You gotta hold men responsible for the pregnancies of women because they are the ones responsible. Not the woman, the man. - It'll be interesting to see how people evaluate that on the one hand thinking about autonomy and agency over one's body. And also the notion of assigning responsibility on the other. I'd be curious to see how that had factors out. - Laurie, you know what else I stand for? - What, Governor? - I don't stand for a minimum wage. I stand for a maximum wage. If you can't live on a million dollars a month, something's wrong with you. - Well, I'd like to sign up for the million dollar a month. - No, I'm not thinking about it a moment. 12, if you make $12 million a year, what would you want for? What would you possibly need? The point I'm making is there shouldn't be any billionaires and I'll tell you why. Because nobody works hard enough to get a billion dollars and my hardest job I ever did was going through Navy SEAL training and I was making $4 a day. And you're gonna tell me a billionaire worked harder than I did bull crap. - Is there anything more to say? Governor Jesse Ventura, thank you so much for joining me this evening. I've been eager to hear your opinion and I'm glad I heard it tonight. - Thank you. - Thanks, Laura. - Well, new tonight, the sheriff of the Sangamon County Police Department in Illinois is stepping down from his post following the fatal shooting of Sonya Massey. Sheriff Jack Campbell deciding to retire after the governor of Illinois, JB Pritzker, called on him to resign for his handling of the situation. Sonya Massey was killed on July 6th after she made a 911 call and one of the deputies dispatched, shot this woman. That deputy, Officer Grayson, was then indicted by a grand jury on charges of first degree murder. The sheriff's office had been under fire since it was disclosed. That Officer Grayson had a history of DUIs and was discharged from the Army for serious misconduct. Ahead, a horrifying crash in Brazil, a plane, oh my God, falling out of the sky, killing all 61 passengers on board. We'll talk to an aviation expert about what happened next. Donald Trump is now starting his rally in Montana, will be monitoring it and bring you any news out of it. But for now, the tragic news, 61 people dead tonight after a passenger plane fell out of the sky into the outskirts of Sao Paulo. As of now, it appears no one in the residential area where the plane crashed was killed. The cause of the crash is currently unknown, but a Brazil Air Force team is gonna be investigating it. Local outlet, TV, Global, spoke with some passengers who narrowly escaped death by missing the flight. Take a listen. - It's such a big emotion. You don't know. I'm here shaking my legs are here. Only God and I were aware of this moment. At 940, the stop was closed. The flight was leaving of Opass. I was working at the Toledo Regional Hospital. I'm group 10, when I got here, I waited. I argued with the airport worker, and that was it. He saved my life. - Can you imagine? Can you imagine? I wanna bring in Greg Fife. He is a former senior investigator for the NTSB and an aviation security consultant, Greg. Thank you so much for joining me. Just seeing those images. I wanna take another look at this video of the plane crash. I mean, the way this plane is falling, 17,000 feet, in just a minute, what does that tell you? And does it give you any indication as to why this plane crashed? - When you look at this, Laura, this is unusual for any type of aircraft, but especially a commercial airliner like this. This is called a flat spin. It's characterized as a flat spin where the aircraft is vertically falling. Typically, you'll have horizontal movement, but in this case, it is pure vertical movement. This is very rare for an aircraft of this size. The big question is, how did the pilots lose control of the airplane, and how did the airplane get into the position of going into a flat spin? - That's the question everyone's asking. And this plane, by the way, the plane that's in question, is an ATR 72 500, and you actually investigated a crash of the same model plane back, I think in 1994. What happened then? - Correct, absolutely. And when I worked at accident for the NTSB, the key issue with that was icing, inflight icing, where there was an amount of ice that built up on the wing. It disrupted the airflow over the wing, caused the wing to stop flying, if you will, and the pilots had temporarily lost control. They had almost recovered it before ground impact. They were just too low. In this case, it could be a similar event because there is reports out there right now that there was severe icing along the flight path of this aircraft. - That's unbelievable to think about that possibly being the cause. And we know that at this point, investigators have already located that black box. So what's next in the investigation? - When you look at it, there are two key elements. One, of course, is the flight data recorder. The other is the cockpit voice recorder. That, if they have survived and they have good data on them, will give a focal point to the investigators to be able to start to pinpoint what was going on just prior to a loss of control. What was the flight crew trying to establish? Were they dealing with a mechanical malfunction? Did they actually get into icing conditions? Did they know that those icing conditions were as bad as they were? What happened with that aircraft to put it in a position where they were unable to recover? It takes an aerodynamics stall. That is, the wing has to stop flying in order for it to get into a spin. And in this case, a flat spin. The question is, there's so many safety devices on the aircraft that warn a pilot of an impending aerodynamics stall. What happened? And all I keep thinking about are the people on that plane who are wondering what was happening to them. Greg Fai, thank you so much. Thank you, Laura. Next, her first Olympic bout led to chaos over fairness in women's sports. But now, Algerian Boxery and mine, Khalif, is going back home with a gold medal and a message. Derbilies. They say opposites attract. That's why the sleep number smart bed is the best bed for couples. You can each choose what's right for you whenever you like. You like a bed that feels firm, but they want soft? Sleep number does that. You want to sleep cooler while they like to feel warm? Sleep number does that too. You have to feel it to believe it. 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For JDPower2023 award information, visit jdpower.com/awards only at a sleep number store or sleepnumber.com. From politics to pop culture and everything in between. CNN's Five Things brings you the five essential stories to get you up to speed and on with your day five times a day. Hey there from CNN, I'm Krista Bow with the Five Things you need to know for Wednesday. CNN Five Things, listen now. Add free with Amazon music. Tonight, a big golden win for Algerian boxer Eman Khalif after a tumultuous run at the Olympic Games. Khalif overcoming a firestorm of online hate with fans wrongly questioning her gender after she beat her first opponent in just 46 seconds. Now following her gold medal victory, Khalif is calling out the bullying that she's faced. Saying quote, "I am a woman like any other woman. "I was born a woman. "I lived a woman. "I competed as a woman. "There's no doubt about that. "I sent them a single message with this gold medal "and I say my dignity, "my honor is above everything else." Joining me now from the city of light, Paris, CNN sports analyst Christine Brennan. Christine, so good to see you my friend. You've been covering the Olympics. If you have for so many successive ones, I'm always eager to hear your take on things. She won this Olympic gold in the middle of intense public scrutiny and an onslaught of online abuse. How significant is this moment for her? Oh, it's huge, Laura, because yeah, the weight of the world on your shoulders, that's normal for an Olympics, right? We've seen it for all of these athletes, among Biles, Katie Ledecky, on and on it goes. It's just the most pressure-packed moment of your life and you care so much about it. And then you throw in the fact that you have got social media and the words of people from around the world, all crash landing on the Paris Olympics, all crash landing on Kaleef. And as she went through this tournament, extraordinary. And I hope that people have learned a little bit about stopping and thinking and learning before you just go and put up something on social media, although I guess we should not probably expect that people would ever do that. But this is someone's life. And as the International Olympic Committee said, four straight days in press conferences. She is a woman, as you just said. And so those were the facts and somehow it turned into something entirely different. - And of course, as you mentioned, the consideration that the different countries, the consequences that could stem from a rumor or a suggestion of one's identity being in question could be catastrophic and tragic and people should take note of that. And she called her critics the enemies of success, knowing that they hate me and I really don't know why. And I was just surprised by the level of vitriol that was directed at her. And I believe even the person, the first opponent that she beat in under a minute, under 50 seconds, frankly, even she extended some form of a apology of sorts. That was before and it still continued. - Well, that's right. And that was Angela Karini from Italy, who said the very next day, once she saw what was happening or day later or two, there's just this torrent of criticism, abuse and misinformation from around the world. Karini herself said, she apologized. She wished she hadn't started, it triggered all of this. So yeah, I think we need to use our minds here, our brains. In Algeria, if you are a transgender woman, which of course, Khalif is not, but that's the headlines, those are the things, the misinformation, the horrible mistakes that were being made. She would be put in jail or worse. So there's no way Algeria would have allowed her to be here if she were what people were so mistakenly saying she were. And these are the kind of things. The Olympics is a crucial bull, right? It's got everything and it's something, it's just like an ember and then it's a wildfire. And in this case, it was the worst possible situation. - Well, one that was a wonderful situation if we turned the United States victories, Shaquarie Richardson, she took home her first gold medal today. They won the four by 100 team relay. The US, by the way, is now leading the medal standings and American female athletes. They have dominated the headlines. How incredible has this been in terms of the performance of our women athletes at these games? - Well, you're right about Shaquarie Richardson and to win that gold. And she's only 24, she seems to have lived a lifetime already in those 24 years. But I certainly expect her to keep going. But yes, the US women have won 57, 58% of the overall medals for the United States. And that means for the fourth consecutive Olympics, Laura, the US women will win more medals than the US men. Why Title IX? The law was signed by Richard Nixon 52 years ago that opened the floodgates for girls and women to play sports. Girls and women like you and me and our classmates and our contemporaries all the way to the women we're seeing out there who are competing here, whether it's Kayla, Becky, Simone Biles, but basketball players, field hockey players, water polo on and on it goes. And so that law has created the opportunity for these US women to just be absolutely dominant here at these Olympics once again. - A good intersection of how policy has consequences and sometimes gold medals as a result. Finally, let me ask him, you've been in Paris this whole time. You've seen all the action from the opening ceremonies and of course, the closing ones happening this very weekend. How did Paris go? How did they do? I mean, LA is next. They got some pressure according to the mayor of LA, Karen Bay. She's already, Karen Bass. She's already feeling that pressure. And in the games, how did Paris do? - Oh, fantastic. I've been to a lot as you said. This is my 21st in a row, winter and summer, which is, you know, starting in LA in '84. Yeah, I'm so fortunate. Just so lucky to be able to do this. And it's got to be number one in terms of the visual feast and just the ability to use these incredible landmarks, these historic places that so many people around the world know as backdrops and as locations for the venues. I think that, you know, Sydney, Australia in 2000, Laura, was also terrific when you're using the opera house for the triathlon and the swimmers in the water and Sydney Harbor. So there have been others, you know, cities and countries that have done a very nice job. But I think putting it all together, the way Paris did from the Senn River with the opening ceremony, of course, the Eiffel Tower for the beach volleyball. I was there and saw that in the medal ceremony for the figure skaters, winter Olympians at the Summer Olympics at the base of the Eiffel Tower. And then, of course, on and on with the Louvre and everything else. And guess what? There are the marathons coming up. You will now see it all displayed for 26 miles as those marathon runners run by all of these amazing locations that sightseers and tourists know so well. - What could be better as a way to showcase your city and show the world where the competition really happens? Christine Brennan, always so great to hear you. And thank you for all of your reporting from the Olympics, as always. You're incredible. Thank you. - Laura, thank you so much. - Ahead, look, it's been a theme of futuristic movies. Don't fall in love with artificial intelligence. But maybe not everyone got the message. White Tech Company OpenAI is warning about becoming emotionally attached and reliant on its top product, chat GPT, next. - They say opposites attract. 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