Ryan McQaude joins Christina to discuss the new documentary 'I Am: Celine Dion'. Plus they countdown their 10 favorite celebrity docs, from Hearts of Darkness to Get Back to O.J.: Made in America and many more.
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This episode is brought to you by Snapple, want to know another Snapple fact? The first hot air balloon passengers were a sheep, a duck, and a rooster. Ridiculous! Check out Snapple.com to find ridiculously flavored Snapple near you. Hey everyone, welcome to Pop Culture Confidential. We have a great show, but first some news. You all know Ryan McQuaid, a great friend of the show and executive editor over at Awards Watch. Well, he is going to be on this show with me on a bit more of a regular basis. We're thinking maybe like once a month or so. Now Ryan's film knowledge is immense and his perspective is always so unique and interesting and I just love having him on. We've laughed, we've cried, we've ranted and raved. Ryan, welcome. I'm so looking forward to this Fridays with Ryan. Me too. I'm excited about being here more regularly. I think we're going to do at least one to two a month. And we're going to talk about different topics that are relevant, but maybe not relevant to movies that are coming out or to you know, whatever the hell we want. We're not going to put a limit on it, but yeah, some of it will be really maybe some rants, some of them will be deep dives, some will be a little bit more respectable because we're journalists, but no, I'm excited to be here and I always love talking with you. So thank you for allowing me to come on and do this with you. On this occasion, we're going to be talking about the new documentary by Irene Taylor. I am Celine Dion, and we're going to pick 10 celebrity documentaries, our favorites or that we feel have had a particular impact on film history or popular culture, be it copa less slowly going mad in the jungles of the Philippines or the Britney Spears documentary that actually helped her get freak from her conservatorship. The celebrity documentary can be really hit or miss. Sometimes they are authorized by the celebrity in question and the celebrity or the family is and the documentarian are way too close thinking of something like the Beckhams and how they can control the image a bit too much. Now the Celine Dion documentary is authorized by her. She welcomed the cameras 100% into doing this and had no restrictions, particularly since this documentary features a lot of very vulnerable segments about her recent illness. In general, Ryan, what did you think of the Dion documentary? Well, I thought it was a really interesting documentary. Community documentaries are kind of hit and miss for me because of what you said, Kristina. They're supposed to dive deep into a person and I think that they can be really great tools to explore fame, the relationships that they make over time, to celebrate their career as well as also if they're controversial figures to deconstruct how that person not only affected their industry but maybe potentially American culture, world culture, race, politics or the case may be and we'll talk about those I think in some of our picks later on. But when it's just these intimate one-on-one documentaries where the person gives himself over, it's a lot like the biopic, right? Where the closer they are to the material, it feels like you're playing it safe as opposed to having real moments of vulnerability. And what I did like about Irene Taylor's film is that we do get those moments of vulnerability here from Celine Dion. She is someone that she's a perfectionist. She shows that throughout the entirety of this film, which I believe was an hour and forty runtime and she shows point blank that she doesn't half-ass anything because she has her shirt or where she thinks in and everything's like a wardrobe and everything. She gives us a deep dive into the legend, the singer, the diva that is Celine Dion. And you go behind the scenes of her career and how she came to be and her family. Thirteen brothers and sisters they were, I had no idea about that. I had no idea about that, I had no idea. But like you get the sense of going behind the scenes and really diving into this woman's life, because in the most time when we get these looks, it's through the paparazzi and the tabloids. So we don't actually get the truth. We get whatever kind of bleeds it leads, headlines. And this dives kind of deep into her recent or semi-recent announcement of her having stiff person syndrome and this essentially taking her away from the world and putting her on the side because she's trying to physically work back to a level where she's comfortable to perform it from everybody. And that may be higher goals than what you can actually achieve, but she's doing her damnedest. So this whole documentary is about that and I thought it was really good. You know, I do think still a lot of it is the normal sort of generic template that follows these sort of singular artists' career and I don't think it dives as deep as other picks that we're going to talk about later. But for her to be able to sanction and give the okay to a documentary like this about herself, which shows her and her fanbase an entirely vulnerable human being, I thought that that was pretty special and I commend her for doing that. This stiff person syndrome that she was diagnosed with in 2022 is like an autoimmune neurological condition I understand and it sort of progressively you get stiffer and you have spasm and she has allowed the cameras a long segment at the end of this documentary. I mean we're talking, I mean it's really like you're peering into something that I've never seen a celebrity let us peer into. I mean she is having spasm, she's basically having a seizure on camera and going through a tremendous medical crisis and she's completely vulnerable. I mean we're talking for a celebrity, I mean no makeup, no look everything. I mean she's, but what I thought was even stronger within that was her absolute sadness over not being able to sing and you understand that this is, yeah she's the celebrity she knows how to do that. She's always been extravagant in her clothing and she's always been good at being a celebrity. But you really got the picture of how music is her life and her soul because once she gets out of this seizure that we see her coming, someone puts on a song and she starts singing to this song and she's crying and you can feel like her whole face changes. And I thought that was even more telling than having for example 200 talking heads of different artists which this documentary has none of saying oh she was so important to me and what she did for Titanic and but that little theme when she hears the music and sort of is taken away from what she just was had been through I thought was really really strong and I thought I have to commend her for that and we've had a few of these documentaries where celebrities have been particularly honestly vulnerable the past few years I'm thinking of Michael J. Fox still which I thought also was really Val Kilmer who did this documentary recently where it also was and and I do think I mean I don't mean the sound corny but I do think it actually really helps people to know what they're going through and they're not just because for her the big pain for her was that she had to cancel her all her Vegas shows and she's saying things like a family has bought these tickets and they're coming to see me and they spent all this money and time and this was a huge deal for them and she's just crying and crying when she's saying this and I found that really really some truth to that then maybe the rest of the documentary about her career and such was a pretty basic maybe not Wikipedia but they went through her career but those parts I thought were pretty spectacular and then I have to give credit completely to Celine Dion because she could have just said I don't want my children seeing this seizure I don't want this being on there and now this is because you know this is something that people are going to remember her for and I'm sure people think a lot about their legacy in her position is that the thing I want people to remember me for well it's okay that they do no I mean I totally agree with you I mean you have to also take into consideration what happened to her you know in 2016 you know losing her husband Renee and then losing one of her brothers just you know two days later and this woman has been through a lot in the last ten years and then you add this you know this illness and she talks about how the guilt right which I think it's the best part is sort of in the middle of the film where and you kind of alluded to it where she's like I knew that I was starting to lose this this power that she has and she would cheat she talked about I would cheat I would put the the mic up into the audience or I would I would say I'm gonna do an encore I never go back on stage or tap the microphone a bit like there was some sound yeah there's something wrong you know I mean there's yeah and the little tricks that her team would tell her to do but she felt extremely guilty about and that's that is the kind of stuff in a movie like this where you're like oh this is why it should be made absolutely this is why it should be made because there's you're not again pulling any punches but you're admitting things that we would not normally know and understand and then we're able to relate to while you're doing that and even though she could get a pass for all that she's not asking for that if anything she's asking for forgiveness when the audience is watching this movie she's asking her fan base to forgive her for something that is not something that she needs to be forgiven for it's a mistake it's also in and it's that is truly remarkable to pull out of a movie like this is and you're not asking her her to do that you're not forcing her to pull you know to to say all that but she like you're saying Christina I think use this as a vessel of therapy for an and an honesty that is kind of rare within a film like this and those those moments carry so much weight that the template you know regular rise to the top stuff you kind of just know that that's what it's going to be and so you know I gave this three stars on letterbox I probably gonna give it a little bit higher if the other stuff was better you know what I mean but it's this it's one of the strongest threes I've seen like you know on letterbox in a while because it's like I'm thinking about more of the emotional implications of a movie like this then something like the New Yorkos Lanthamos movie which felt like a completely empty vessel that's trying to evoke responses a manipulation of the audience there this is just I'm gonna put a camera here and a person's gonna tell stories and then the the the meat of that comes out of it organically and I thought that was that was what makes this movie special right again I mean we could have had I don't know Quincy Jones or any huge producers and movie legends or a music legends talking about you know how she changed things and how why this is my explanation to why music is important to Celine Dion why singing is her thing instead the illness illustrated how that she is music and she is her voice and this is what it is she has been a vessel for that and when she can't do it who is she and and I thought that was pretty incredible so so I agree I mean it as in terms of a documentary that goes from A to B about her career that I think they maybe had other ideas before these scenes came up it's really more of a verite style that you know they followed what was happening and that and I'm grateful to her she really didn't have to do this if she didn't want to do you want to move on to some other ones yeah yeah everyone should go and give it a give it a watch it's on Amazon Prime it's you know she is an artist of her generation and I think it's really important to and it ultimately is a I think a really like good reminder of just how talented she is and she's yeah I think it's a I think you're right Christian this could be like this could be like a manipulated towards this music studio machine kind of thing and and you know kind of documentary and kind of stitch to put together and she could be very reluctant and you know I would wish more artists not just of her generation but her younger would provide that kind of vulnerability and it doesn't matter how much money you have how many people you have around you how many anything you built up bodyguards and doctors and every it doesn't matter you're if she's still a person who's lying there seizing for a few ten minutes on camera I mean that that was also a reminder that we are human yes for sure I don't I totally agree I totally agree and and and if again not to make it sound like a you know sort of hokey but it like if this allows someone who sees themselves through her experience if they are that other rare condition that you know stiff person syndrome if they have that as well too or any other condition that causes them to have complete changes within their body and their normal day of life yeah if if you need a vessel to plug yourself into to be able to carry yourself for day to day I think that this is a good this is a good movie to show the complexities of how hard it is rather than just being like ah suck it up you'll be fine you know I mean or don't worry you got this like no there's there's genuine doubt on a day-to-day basis with it and I did also like the fact that we saw before the announcement and after the announcement how she was doing this film because it's because then again that guilt of just being like I gotta I gotta tell this I can't wait for this documentary to come out whenever it's gonna do it I need to tell my fanbase now because because it was eating her inside I felt I felt for her in those moments I really truly did well so we agree yes putting in half a bit from three yes maybe three and a half maybe I'll bump it up in half star all right let's get into these we'll we'll take you through ten of our documentaries here that are with celebrity documentaries and explain why we have them on our list I'm sure we'll overlap a bit but why don't you start I don't have mine just to say in any particular I'm terrible at ranking so they're not like this is my favorite I just have ten which I really want to talk about yeah I don't really have I don't really have a listed out because it would be it's really hard it would be to rank I think these movies I know we do a lot of rankings over at awards watch but I think that this one can be a more loose list and the first one I have is a is a is I think a pretty big one and it's this maybe would be quote unquote my favorite just because I think it's so complex and and that's as Roy Abelman's OJ made in America I have that and 2016 documentary five parts this mini series that was put together by ESPN they're 30 for 30 series and really the culmination there's a lot of great documentaries in I know that we always talk about entertainment but sports is an entertainment business and as well as an athletic competition and there is no bigger figure probably in the last 30 40 years covered within the media than OJ Simpson in the trial of the century and of you know of Ronald Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson at the time but the fact that this documentary takes you through his life and the figure that was OJ Simpson in America is a fascinating study just in the first hour you are talking about racism and the call for arms within the black community especially from celebrities to be able to go ahead and and speak on social justice and the changes that need to happen and the biggest star in the world the biggest athlete in the world is OJ Simpson he won the Heisman you know he's he's he's a world renowned running back he's breaking records and what does he decide to do when they ask him about this is he going to go and stand with all all these artists and other athletes you know creme able to bar all these great people he goes you know I'm not black I'm OJ I'm for everybody and that could be perceived as a non answer but it also is perceived as he is different than what is going on in the country because he has special treatment and then it breaks down beautifully the art of how white culture in him sort of collide and then thus is why he is given so many special treatments in that trial why he's able to get away with it the trial itself is a fascinating one obviously it's one of the most fascinating trials in American history but I think that there's no there's there's no way to make I think any viewer either pro or anti OJ Simpson I think the only way to understand how you get to that trial is how you understand how society and racism and how the Rodney King massacres and everything that was going on in this country led to that verdict and under and this was that right around this time in about 2016 where we had the Ryan Murphy show and we you know we had this kind of colliding at the same time this is a much more thorough examination of I think the American celebrity and I think of what celebrity culture can mean and especially when you broaden that out to a wider scope and you broaden that out to trying to hit all these markets and then when that is corrupted how then the system can corrupt itself to make sure it stays safe because there's no reason why OJ Simpson should have got off but the system allowed him to and so I think it's a fascinating five part documentary one of the great ones that we've had in the last 20 years I have this one on my list too it's an it's I'd say that word that M were it's a masterpiece it also won the best documentary Oscar even though it was five parts which I don't think they do anymore and no they they stop doing that stuff yeah and I don't have much to add I had written I mean it it's what you say what's so brilliant about it is it's about OJ but it's in context it's about America it's about celebrity race society sports and everything included there so yeah I completely agree so then I'll take one here I want to do the last movie stars with Ethan Hawkes documentary about Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward which I actually think was really brilliant he it's based on some transcripts of interviews that Paul Newman did for an abandoned memoir project and I think it was there Joanne and Paul's daughter who gave them to Hawke and asked him to assemble them and this was sort of doing during Covid so there's a lot of he's done a lot of interviews via zoom he has George Cooney and Laura Linney do their voices and read but what's really incredible about it is that he gives this marriage that's found over 50 years and is is one of the great Hollywood marriages and lobsters such depth and perspective and most of all he gives Joanne Woodward the credit that she's due she was such a talent such a radical talent she's the one that won the first Oscar in their marriage and then he started growing I mean he was basically not considered to be much during the beginning of their relationship sort of a clone of Marlon Brando or something like that and then his celebrity started to grow and she started to feel resentment over her career I mean she was not taking off he became an alcoholic but still their marriage survived this and I thought that this documentary was an incredible when you hear their the transcripts of how they describe their marriage they're incredibly passionate sex life also very very intimate I thought it was really well done and something I'd never seen before and in the same way that we were talking about Celine such a raw and intimate portrait of two people who survived a 50 year old year marriage with even though they went through celebrity alcoholism everything else under the sun and I thought Ethan Hawke did a really good job with this I think that in this one of my picks so of course crossover is happening already at the beginning of this I think that it's I didn't know much about it going in I knew that he but I didn't know about the transcript so that when I first saw the first episode at the right before I stopped by Southwest when I premiered my mouth was on the floor I was like what he has you know and who he's getting Laura Lenny and George Clooney to portray you know the words of Joanne and Paul and you're right I think that there's two calling cards to this and then a sneaky third one to why I love this series one is the history of Joanne Woodward and what she had to sacrifice because she becomes the mother and she falls in love with this man she's the actress of a generation at this point and she's probably got 20 30 40 more roles where she could be up for awards and accolades and beyond the Catherine Hepburn the Meryl Streep the Jane Fonda level of you know excellence to Francis McDormand level of X's we're like wow they have this many awards and one for this film and da da da da and she gives and she kind of gives it up because her husband breaks out and she was Paul Newman's wife and she becomes Paul yeah she becomes the but she transitions her career to the stage and giving back to so many artists and so many actors of their own in their career and later on generations that she is her legacy is built in the shadow of Paul's gigantic movie star legacy and he struggles like you mentioned his alcoholism you mentioned the fact that you know he he almost gives himself up like he almost give he almost gives up on himself and I think that we know Paul Newman as the movie star one of the movie stars to see and know in his own words that vulnerability that he had and he's channeling it in his performance I mean this documentary makes the verdict even more of a special performance because of his alcoholism his conversations with Sidney Lemette saying this is not how it works this isn't how somebody who's an alcoholic lives because I'm an alcoholic and him having to confront that but then the sneaky thing about all this is that how it relates to Hawk's life his generation the future of movie stars you see towards the end of the film a shot of them at the Kennedy Center Honors and the camp that they created the the Newman like the products the popcorn that's all addressing all that stuff is to fund charities you know what I mean is to fund things that are bigger and better beyond themselves all the money went to that all the money went to that and that is a truly selfless thing we don't see that a lot anymore you know it I was thinking a lot about recently Jane Fonda and how how has Jane Fonda never won the humanitarian award but these two have politically controversial but they no I know for sure for sure but it was just like those are the type of movie stars and that take their name their platform and channel it into things that are actually bigger and better than just a movie or stage play and I wish that's what makes them so special and I wish more of this generation would do that and not do it for points or anything but or you know to make a political statement but to do it because it's the right thing to do it's the human thing to do and that's what they were is that they were good human beings that happen to be great actors so yeah it's it's it's marvelous it's marvelous next one well kind of going into kind of like piggybacking off of OJ made in America there was one that I don't think a lot of people talked about a couple years ago from W. Kamal Bell and it was we need to talk about Cosby oh so good good and and I know that we've talked about we haven't really talked about films we've been talking about like mini series for a while here but this was a four part mini series that debuted back in 2022 and much like OJ made in America I think W. Kamal Bell does a fantastic job of really examining how we got here in terms of everything that's gone on up at the time with Bill Cosby and the sexual assault cases ever that were that were going on in early part of the decade and this examination of this important figure in American culture but specifically to the black culture and what and what black people artists comedians and the survivors think about his career and sort of how in his comedy in the television show in the animated show in everything in his philanthropy there is a seediness if you want to find it and it's there and I think the third episode which focuses specifically on the Cosby show is one of the great hours of television that we had in the last 15 20 years and the reason why is because that show was such an enormous success for NBC it basically saved the network and it made him a household name he was on every commercial that's where the jello putting pops then come from that's when then he's with the sponsor for coke and he becomes America's dad that's where he becomes the guy that everybody would want to be and he's got this show where you know with the Huxtables where this is the ideal not just black family American family and meanwhile on set he is starting things in his dressing room that was before this show started and after and this continued abuse of power and you literally hear testimony from two people that worked on the show these women who are so brave to speak about their experiences and then you also have that with actors and writers who had no idea or if they didn't have any idea they are guilty about it and not telling the camera the truth so it is an interesting relationship of tackling with also we saw I saw most of the Cosby show when I was a kid and it all of his comedy is portrayed Kristina as like it's good for everyone there's no cursing there's no foul language there's nothing bad with the comedy of Bill Cosby and what's what's remarkable about this documentary that it shows oh there's definitely something wrong when you're that quote-unquote wholesome and yeah I think it's a brilliant documentary it's on Showtime you should you should give it a check it out yeah that's a good pick and one of the things that he does so well is that he asks the question that we often all of us ask one of our idols is like no don't disappoint me I mean it's like how do I go how do I sort of compare my complete this this was so important to me this person's work was so important to me I grew up with this person and how do I make this understand my feelings towards this and how do I keep their art with me what do I do what do I do with Woody Allen what do I do in his case with this was someone who was so important and I think he does that so well in this documentary and ask that particular question and it becomes very personal in that sense very much so another one during those years that was really good um which I don't have on the list but I came to think of when you said that that's the surviving R Kelly doc by as well which also had some particularly strong um witness women who came forward and talked them in very brave documentary as well yes yeah but so then I'll move to one I'm for this one I'd say maybe and as it as a documentary it's not um the strongest but I think it had such an incredible impact on celebrity culture and on the person that it dealt with that I want to talk about and that's framing Britney Spears yeah um so this documentary basically helped to end the conservatorship that she was under and covered that incredible another very important I think it's going to go down in history the court battle regarding her father and her family and and her conservatorship that this documentary which was produced by New York Times I believe and we got to see this we got to also understand how celebrity has absolutely the effects that it had on Britney Spears from a child star to now um was really strong and really intimate and really personal and I felt in in the scope of celebrity documentaries that we're mentioning I think this has an important part just because of that yeah I mean it's it's about art um piercing through the screen into real life and um you know regardless of of how Britney Spears got to that point in her life from 2008 on she didn't have one she essentially she was a young girl you know I think a lot about Britney Spears with what's going on in the life and and if you chronicle someone like Miley Cyrus who is introduced to us at such a young age and has family and outside influences that have different agendas than the one that is trying to blossom uh an interesting career and has bad actors involved and you know when she was with Kevin Federline or where she was with you know having different you know you know eras of her own within her music she should have been able to have the freedom to be able to explore that and and not think that she spiraling out of control and even if so it went from controlling the estate to controlling a person leaving her in a cage and then the snippets we would get of her it seemed as if you know someone had been locked up in their house you know it almost reminded me a little bit of when you were we were reading stuff about her of Priscilla Presley and it was reminding me of just like whoa what is if you're cooped up and you can't do anything you can't speak can't make art can't you can't be anything how are you going to be then at home and how are you going to be able to control your life and so you know the fact that she's um being able to finally you know be able to to own her life own you know make decisions for herself be an adult is great because she wasn't able to for such a long time and I think that that's tragic because then it's honestly like Michael Jackson you know Michael you know Michael Jackson has a ton of controversy we're not going to talk about at least I'm not going to talk about that documentary today but um but um but I can say this is that it's a lot like Cosby and it's a lot like OJ and there's a lot like a lot of other celebrities you can see the tragedy coming a mile away you can see you know through the history now when you play a little bit of like you know detective well this started here and it went down a train of just really really terrible things where they weren't able to grow up normally they weren't able to engage with culture normally with the world normally and through that shelterness there's a a human being still attached to it and so I think that it's a great uh I know that you know they call it framing it is a good framing device to be able to allow uh her have a chance in the back half of her life for her child's sake you know I mean uh you know to be able to then also own her legacy because sort of a lot of artists get to do is they get to control you know who uses their music and and use um their likeness and image and she wasn't being able to do that so now she has a a good chance of that and I'm and I'm happy for her and also her fan base is they're tough cookies man they are they are some tough cookies I'll tell you that they are loyal to the bone I mean like there was a whole thing I think it was like a year ago with like the Spurs basketball player and her and it was just really weird kind of complicated situation that happened and if you didn't and hey you said something against Brittany whoo man online you were gonna get torn apart so they're not crying over timber lakes do you know they are not crying over that which then when as we're talking about that adding that into it is is uh yeah it's uh that age is like a fine one at that point you know but hey it's Kayleigh Cuoco for Priceline ready to go to your happy place for a happy price well why didn't you say so just download the Priceline app right now and save up to 60 percent on hotels so whether it's cousin Kevin's kazoo concert in Kansas City go Kevin or Becky's bachelorette bash and Bermuda you never have to miss a trip ever again so download the Priceline app today your savings are waiting go to your happy place for a happy price got your happy price Priceline so anyway that that documentary did actually I think it opened a lot of people's eyes to what it's like to be a celebrity of that nature what it was what it's like um also if you have certain issues um medical issues or mental issues and what that means and how you get controlled and so I thought that was interesting and if you don't mind I'll just piggyback on that for a quick segue into another one I have because and that's the chanade o'conner. Oh yeah nothing compares by Captain Ferguson which is so such a brilliant depiction of how you tear down a woman a brilliant artist um who was so vulnerable and through all her political thoughts her and thoughts on women everything was in her music everything was in her actions and she was torn down from every corner of the universe and you see this in the documentary how people just for shaving her head for expressing her thoughts when she was on SNL and and spoke about the pope which of course many years later everyone was talking about um and that was I think it's a really beautifully well put together um documentary which came out around the same time that chanade lost a child and it was just everything around her and of course we've lost chanade as well um but that I can highly recommend that the documentary I think it was really really respectful but at the same time very piercing yeah it did it's it's a it's a great one um and I remember seeing that a couple years ago I was kind of just blown away by honestly how the the industry um spit her up and toot her out and you know how and Ireland did it and and yeah the people the nuns that she grew up with it everyone had spit her out her mother it's really a harsh depiction of how her growing up it felt like she had been spit out every single period of her life from someone who should have really um and the fact that she made it as far as she did and the fact that she produced such beautiful art that she did is pretty incredible considering what she went through and it's a tragedy to be able to finally appreciate or be able it feel like she was in the wrong era um and and and now we can really appreciate it but it's the it's the sad thing right you finally appreciate something and it's already gone which is it's an inherently sad um speaking of people that are probably you know gone um earlier than we wanted to I wanted to talk about I guess a very controversial documentary um but I think this real quick is that Kristina when people say that are closely related to the documentary uh say disavow it uh it's usually probably means that they that they got something right right uh and I'm talking about Brett Morgan's uh Kurt Cobain montage of heck which there was another Kurt Cobain documentary that came out around the same time that was the fluff piece that was the thing that Courtney Love uh like gave a lot of approval over uh this is the Brett Morgan if many of you out there might know Brett Morgan for Jane in Moon Age Daydream the David Bowie documentary um and I think that those are great those are great films but I think Kurt Cobain montage of heck is actually his best and the reason why is because it feels deconstructed as if it is in the mind of Kurt Cobain at times and especially the mind of someone who um has a complete downroll spiral and dies way too young at the age of 27 and is seen throughout the documentary is to be this sweet boy from Washington um you know has family sort of you know kind of normal life even though he gets picked on by his parents it's sort of you know his parents divorce really shaped him and and all this stuff going on but then he gets into this music scene and the movie examines how we lost him and how the people around him allowed a genius to fall victim to bad actors and it doesn't paint really anyone in a good light especially Courtney Love who you know it is in and everyone went to her defense I'm gonna just put it out on the table I don't think she's defendable um because a lot of the downfall of him starts around there and it's been documented and well proven that that's the case there's a companion piece book with this as well many people that are around him uh at the time he members of you know I know the members of Nirvana didn't really want to speak about this um you know because it's not really their story or life to tell you know I mean they're members of a band with him but you know it's kind of like if the Beatles would have said something bad about John after he passed like what are you gonna say or do even though it seems like Paul McCartney talks about John Lennon really personally a lot nowadays because he just misses his friend but um I think that the the movie is fascinating and then there's sections of this where you it feels as if you're floating through his mind as he's creating these darker and darker pieces of music towards the end of his career and it's heartbreaking it's a heartbreaking movie because you it's we're losing a genius and it's so avoidable and it feels like it's avoidable but it feels like the the scene and the people around him caused the the emotional and um uh you know triggers in his head to go off and I think more it is a very inventive visual stylus and I don't think this is a disrespectful film I don't think that this is manipulative I think this is trying to be as honest from an outsider's perspective as possible because I think that the people around Kurt Cobain's legacy has tried to sugarcoat the shit out of losing someone like him and I don't think that that's fair to him and I don't think that that's also fair to anyone struggling with addiction that see a movie like this or see a movie about Kurt Cobain and think well it was just a tragedy and it just happens like that anyway uh you know here's some here's some cool family shots like that's just not how reality is you know so I think it's a great film but I agree I agree um someone um one of my favorite movies which is also about someone spiraling but actually picks himself up at least in in periods that's um hearts of darkness the um movie that is based on Ellen or Coppola's footage of her husband Francis Ford Coppola while he is spiraling of in filming Apocalypse Now in the Philippines the increasing costs that the the bad weather the actors basically having um drug adults crises um the delays what what the Coppola's going through I think it's such a magnificent portrait not only of several things not only of Francis Ford Coppola's a filmmaker and how he puts his entire not only passion but health and wealth and life and everything into his movies which when you and I discuss megalopolis later I'm gonna convince you why that movie um does I don't think you have to convince me about that you know I mean like I understand this man he's so mad man if you understand that that movie through him it's really moving anyway off topic that's the one thing but also an incredibly interesting portrait of filmmaking during this time about filmmaking in general how difficult it is and especially if you're passionate about it and want to do everything you can and almost destroy yourself in the in while doing it I think it's also really interesting documentary of a marriage this is it's very I think it's a very it sounds like a cliche but we just talked about it with Paul and Joanne um it is something particularly different to be two creative people um in a very long-term marriage as these two were as well which I think was even 60 years old before l in the past last year um and it and it's just such an interesting one of the best documentaries about filmmaking filmmakers and and marriage out there so yeah no I think it's I think it's great I mean it also because his wife just recently passed it's it's it's also really heartbreaking because of that but yeah I mean it is a great um introspective look into the last sort of a tour driven um forgiveness is I guess it's the best way to say that the studio is allowed because this is a production that shouldn't have continued and it it seemed like it was a mess and uh usually though the best ones make masterpieces out of that like I mean there's the the Kyle Buchanan book Bloods Sweat and Chrome that chronicles the the Mad Max Fury Road debacle behind the scenes that ended up making one of the greatest films of all time so I would say the same thing about apocalypse now being created here but then of course this is I mean this is going to come on the edge of like Heaven's Gate coming around the corner and Sorcerer and some King of Comedy and some other films that just start turning us into the 80s and getting us away from the real all-toward driven cinema of the 70s and so this is a this is an inside look at one of the last you know great movies to come out of it but also like one of it's a cautionary trail what not to do behind the scenes and if it's getting to this point the art may not be worth it even if it is worth it um but I I love the film um and it's a great companion piece obviously to apocalypse now um I'm actually going to stay in that area of those friendship group uh because uh I'm going to talk about maybe one of the greatest concert docks of all time which is uh The Last Waltz from Martin Scorsese and I think that people for me I think you can find a lot in concert docks and I think the interesting idea about the Last Waltz is that this is showcasing the last performances of the band um and really looking through the lens of Robbie Robertson who just passed away um last year and as the music plays throughout this and there's so many cameos from so many different wonderful artists you know I mean like you know they're just you know like muddy waters and you know Neil Young and Van Morrison and you know Diamond and Eric Clapton and Joni Mitchell all these people you know what I mean and perform in the movie with them there are these moments that are cut in between and I think actually make the documentary sing uh for lack of a better word um and those are the conversations between Scorsese and Robertson who are best friends and it's Robinson going through this limited run that he's had with one of the greatest most influential bands of all time and talking about the jealousy talking about the regrets talking about the where their future in this whole thing is going to be their place in rock and roll um different experiences that they've had you know as an as a band and sort of grown and uh and feeling essentially burned out by the process of being on the road and that vulnerability mixed with Scorsese's I guess vulnerability at the time too being an addict it really it like it really fits perfectly for both of them who are struggling emotionally and internally with themselves in the late 1970s um and yet they I mean Scorsese shoots the hell out of this thing um and yet the sequences on the stage they feel so grand and behind the scenes they feel so tight and personal so yeah I I had to mention the last waltz perfect perfect when talking about this um then I'll continue on with one since you were talking about great conversations so I'll jump to this one um and that's a movie called The Center Will Not Hold which is about whom director Griffin Duns he made a documentary about his aunt Joan Dydian his her nephew which is archival footage but conversations between the two of them and what's so powerful about this one besides Joan Dydian being one of the best authors of ever and Griffin Dun having a real eye as a director and actor himself is their discussions on grief um both of she lost her daughter Quintana um she lost her husband of course and wrote the amazing book The Year of Magical Thinking um where she sort of is talking about being scared of of moving on and he of course Griffin Dun also lost his sister to a terrible murder in Hollywood um and there's just these incredible conversations between them that really go personal between two relatives which you don't often see so I wanted to mention that one no that's a perfect that's a perfect choice um I haven't seen that one um it feels like in a while but um he just wrote a new book Griffin Dunn also yeah he did so it's it's it's worth seeing them sort of as a companion to each other I haven't read the book yet but no I haven't read that either um now I gotta go pick it up yeah um books for um I mean I'm gonna stick with the the triad um of a great friends here and and there's the documentary Spielberg uh that was on on HBO and just I mean obviously one of the great American filmmakers that we've had documentary. Well you know how I feel about it. I mean we talked about this a little bit on the on the Fableman's pod from a couple years ago just about uh you know chronicling his life his passion for cinema his complicated relationship with his with his father and mother and and um coming to turns with that and really honestly coming to turns with that before you know his father passed away just a couple years ago and and how that relationship changed and evolved and I think how that also then had a different way in which he saw um them before he made a movie like the Fableman's which is so personal to him. So to be able. Fascinatingly he had one view of his parents the the beginning of his film career and you can see how he portraits their divorce in the beginning of his career routines and how he that changes when he gets to know the real story. He wants to get to know the real story and how it changes in his own personal filmmaking which is fascinating. And then yeah how it changes then essentially for one of the great filmographies of all time and how we as an audience have actually seen his life in all these movies and when we talked about that I thought you know that's such an important thing to know because like when we taught and you know we see the personality in a director's filmography what is what essentially makes a movie by such and such a such and such film. When you see a Spielberg movie that sentimentality in that vulnerability or in that sense of adventure is always there but now when you realize that it's been there from the beginning and then he's been also kind of as a director wandering through his filmography searching for answers about about his childhood it's it's quite moving and and yeah so I would highly recommend checking that out if you're a fan of if you're a fan of Steven Spielberg I don't know you might be a fan. So I have to mention which may be on your list as well I probably the ultimate celebrity documentary and that's Madonna's truth or dare. This film that chronicled her 1990s blonde ambition world tour where the the segments of the concerts beautifully filmed in color and the segments behind the scenes were in in black and white and it just was a portrayal of her openness to the world um how much how she was criticized from every corner she was almost arrested in Toronto for the masturbation scene and and and how open she was to her dancers and and the homosexuality. There we have a very a person who everyone's talking about today Kevin Costner who at one point visits her tour and and calls her show Meet so she gags in front of the camera which seems like very interesting. Such a cost her thing to say. And also in terms of what we were talking about before with celebrity relationships here she was actually dating born Beatty and who's fed up with all the paparazzi and all the cameras while she's just in charge and controlling of this and she knows what she wants and doesn't want it she just feels so strong and vulnerable at the same time. I think this is just one of the absolute best portraits of an artist in general but also not to mention a female artist and how she conquers everything that comes in her way. It's just a strong presence um you know and shout out to Eric Anderson who's probably like been waiting for us to talk about this. When is it happening it should have been the only one that you guys talked about today. We can do that I'm happy to do a show just on that one with you guys if you want. Um no very very good doc I mean obviously yeah I mean it goes it goes back to Britney Spears it goes back to it goes back to um the next documentary I'm going to talk about which is how culture treats women and how they can either be eaten alive or be super strong about it but there's no winning when it comes to it and she's she's been able to endure for so many years because she's one of the strongest ballsy no hole to bar you know performers that we have ever had. So uh no I think it's a great pick and and you know but there is vulnerability that comes to it and I think my next pick um is the ultimate I think documentary of the last couple years that talks about the damage um that can happen to the female pop star because it seems to be on the rise right now we seem to be having being right in the middle of pop girl summer it seems like and so but they're in a lot of them are brand new artists and I hope that they're going to be okay and that the industry doesn't do and the world doesn't do what happened to Amy Winehouse um and that's in Asif Kapadia's 2015 um excellent um film uh you know Amy which is not back to black which is an abomination of a movie um uh and no one should see that they should watch this film which is which is a celebration of her work um but also again like other films that I've talked about and I sound like I like really like and I need a sad documentary in my life but I think that the only way to understand the loss of great talent is to firmly look at all the factors that that happened in their life and Kapadia is is one of the best documentary uh documentarians we have uh Senna uh his documentary on Diego Maradona are two of the great sports documentaries and really do tackle the the internal struggles of those athletes as well especially Maradona who was a symbol for an entire country and uh and and when he went to the other went to play for somebody else his entire country turned on him and I think that you know for Amy Winehouse she had again a lot of people that in her own family and then the love of her life discard her and you know it's very it's it feels very Marilyn Monroe it feels very much what the pop star system does it's it's sadly a tale is all this time and yet it there's this skyrocket um instant fame that she gets and we kind of rethink oh okay well maybe she's got like two or three she has like two albums or an album and a half and we never got to really get the full potential of who this person was she was 27 or something she was she yeah she was like 20 yeah she was 27 the same age as Kurt Cobain and the same similar things happen except every time it was like a tug of war emotionally for her every time she'd think it'd be okay she couldn't help it it's like the heart knows what it wants and its history repeating itself but Capadia does a great job of just showing what a beautiful soul this girl was from the age of 14 you know I mean all the way for you know all the way up until her alcohol poisoning um in her tragic loss um at the age of 27 back in 2011 I think it's I think it's a beautiful documentary um it can it doesn't hold it doesn't pull any punches but I don't think it's but it's not trying to be that first it's trying to and it's not trying to even also put her up on this giant stratosphere of uh everything it's just I'm gonna look at this person that's why it's Amy it's not why no it's Amy that's the title I think is purposeful of saying I'm looking at this girl and I'm seeing what the industry and what people around them it's a cautionary tale and so I think and and I think if it was done by the uh again by the producers of her albums and stuff it would um it would be it would be a little bit more you know it wouldn't be as personal and I mean that scene when she's trying to do the duet with Tony Bennett is completely heartbreaking in my opinion it's it's it's you know that she still had it and yet it's it's it's about to go away it's beautiful it's beautiful work please choose this documentary over back the blackboard none of this that Ryan's talking about the the respect of for her as herself and her own artist is really there um where the movie the biopic or if you can call it that really has taken some very particular um leaves with her parents or father in particular who no please choose the documentary over the picture oh the movie yeah that movie is oh it's rough it's rough I'm gonna go back to sports um whoa you know that's not my biggest area but I really really loved the documentary The Last Dance directed by Jason here which revolved around Michael Jordan's career and particularly the last the final season with the Chicago Bulls and it gave me such an incredible sort of all-access view of what was going on there these huge personalities all the teammates and the coach and I enjoyed every minute of this and actually got to interview interview the director um because I really was so fascinated by this documentary man I I didn't think you would put the last dance on here um I mean how much time do we have how much time to talk about expectations I mean after all these years how much time do we have to talk about this wild um I'll give you a few minutes I think I like it the answer I don't know but we could honestly um sports I mean Christina knows this about me I'm a big sports fan um and uh I think the documentary is a is a good documentary I don't think it's great because I think it's still it doesn't ask Michael Jordan tough questions which Michael Jordan is maybe one of the top five not maybe he is one of the top five athletes in my lifetime he's the greatest basketball player to ever play the game sorry LeBron um and all you LeBron lovers out there it's he's just not he's there's no one like Mike um and um I think that's he is a controversial figure and he is a 100 percent I you know I'll go at you right we see in the documentary like I'm gonna go at you I'm gonna get in your face da da da da da but when you actually have to ask him tough questions I think it's like he doesn't want to do that because he likes to control the narrative just as much as like superstars usually want to do it paints him off very well he was also complete asshole um and so and Scotty Pippin has come out and has turned kind of into well oh I understand it completely it's the competitive nature in him and and everything like that like but um and it it is from ESPN and they're 30 for 30s as well and it carried us during the pandemic it did um I would be fascinated though I mean I know that they've already kind of done it with the Patriots there's other you know there's you know there's documentaries about Magic Johnson and Larry Bird I would love to see you know potentially down the road I assume they will be doing this with the Kansas City Chiefs um you know there's other great dynasties that you know throughout sports they'll probably do it with the Warriors but there's just something about the Bulls in Jordan in this era and this crazy final season that ends on one of the great shots of all time the flu game obviously there's just so much lore behind it um and it's rich it's a rich rich um tapestry to plug into so as a sports fan I love it I could talk about sports all day long so that's a dangerous avenue to go on down towards but uh but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do that I'm not gonna do it um instead I'm gonna I'm gonna um I know we're coming up towards the end so I gotta get a couple more I think I have two left I have two I think you might have three I'm not sure I got I've got a yeah I've got three left um uh so uh I want to talk about won't you be my neighbor which I think is a beautiful film about um Mr. Rogers that came out in 2019 I believe um and uh no 2018 sorry 2018 and talking about how you know again this is about your childhood this is about like this guy kind of goes back to I think it goes back to a little bit about what we talked about with the last movie stars this civil servant this this person on public access that was doing things on a television show that we kind of just all take for granted and kind of throw away and was so instrumental in talking about things to a generation um at a time in which things were becoming very scary for a generation and not not um and not doing it in a cynical way doing it in a compassionate way man was very compassionate it talks about just you know the sacrifices that he would make for others um the one time where he gets mad or they talk about he got mad and they were all shocked you know I mean he's it was just a very low you know a very reserved man um and a gentle soul and I think that the documentary does a fantastic job of explaining how important an American icon is important um institutions like PBSR to this country um I think education is continuously under attack in the United States of America and around the world and I think you know people like Fred Rogers are those not looking for thanks um kind of individuals they're not looking for credit they're looking for the world to change you know I mean and to be better and do it again within a very optimistic point of view and I think we miss people like that I cried when I saw the film I think it's beautiful I think it's a you know a beautiful movie about a very good man I think then the Mario Heller film um with Tom Hanks I think that that was the one that came out in 2019 um and I think Hanks is great I don't think that that movie overall reaches the magnitude of like how important that this man was uh it singularizes it rather than uh widen the scope and I think that that's what the documentary does so um so yeah I would I would say that film great and that the Ron Howard recently just did a documentary on Jim Henson which has it was not quite as good as as this one but it also has some very important thoughts on how we should treat children and the school system and what we're actually teaching um with media which I thought was particular which is now and also very interesting marriage at the center yeah but why don't you can take I think you're one ahead we can take your second cast one before um I want to talk about homecoming oh so by Beyonce yes you know um like not I know right a Beyonce documentary from Ryan um I think that this is great and I think that one it highlights again like the last like the last Waltz it highlights one of the great concert experiences that it's happened in the last um 15 years at Beyonce said at Coachella which from a lot of friends that go to Coachella has broken the system um ever since and no one's been able to get to that level of artistry behind the scenes and watching this documentary you are seeing an artist trying to deliver an impossible task of making it specific about her culture specific about her career specific about her marriage and what she's going through at the time specific about her children and her pregnancy and the scariness of that she never thought that she would be able to perform again after she was pregnant the realization of how difficult pregnancies are for black women especially um ones that deal within physical activity I mean like there was there's you know the same uh concerns that were about Serena Williams and the sort of different uh outfits that she had to wear when competing towards the the end of her career because of the complications within her her child uh coming into this world and so I think that it is a movie and it's on Netflix right now that does a fantastic job of looking inside the soul of probably the one of the biggest artists we have working today I think that it is the the correct way of looking at the flaws of an idol the they came around they came out around the same time so I'm just gonna say this and I'm gonna start the fans this is the opposite of Miss Americana this is what you do when you've actually you're married you're beyond breakup songs you have children you've lived a life and you're important figure not just only in America but to a community of people that still feel marginalized and still feel unspoken for and you have a responsibility that's bigger than selling out a concert you're trying to deliver experiences that feel specific to you and so she's directing this entire thing and I think that it is bold I think it's uh it's it shows them in the performance then too because she's delivering at all points in this movie and so yeah if artists are gonna do concert docs or documentaries this I think is the standard I haven't seen the I never got to see the Renaissance one and I've been it wasn't on streaming for a while I think I think you can finally find it now but uh I've been dying to watch that to see how it is a continuation or maybe a follow-up uh to to what she's doing here in this movie coming is amazing really the highest standard my last two but I'll do my first one first are both sort of old Hollywood um and also another Brett Morgan uh that you mentioned with your Kurt Cobain and that's the Kids Days in the Picture which is there was the book that a Production Chief of Paramount Pictures Robert Evans wrote about his marriage jolly McGraw I mean we're talking Cobain we're talking the godfather Rosemary's Baby Love Store everything you want from an old Hollywood um movie a book is in here and they did a film adaptation um then at Firstine and Brett Morgan I not remember I think it was 2001 or 2002 where he narrates and it's all a bunch of photos from his life his early life as well as film footage from that area and if you are from his era his movies um how he discovered Norma Sheer for example and his return to Paramount Pictures it's just a fascinating fascinating fascinating if you're interested at all in Hollywood lore and Hollywood stories I think it's really fascinating it's one that I got to get to oh you have to see and the book is amazing too I'm adding a lot of books to my list yeah um my last pick it's a pretty chalk pick but I think it's the right kind of pick um it's Peter Jackson's get back uh how could I not have included that oh my god that was like a full weekend I watched that then I was crying and singing and stopping and as someone that is a massive fan of the Beatles as you are as well it is a perfect encapsulation of watching geniuses at work it is I mean just you know I gotta say this Paul is just sitting there tinkering and all of a sudden it's like the finished song yeah it's like he's just like tinkering with something and it's get back back it's like and you're like so what just happened in these three minutes and wringo and like yeah and then just wringos just like picks up the drums and then like George is kind of sitting there like okay all right oh well no goes opening mail in a chair oh my god she's like screaming in the corner and it's fantastic um well then you have like Linda there there's I think that this documentary does a fantastic job of just just debunking the rumors that have been at the forefront of the greatest band of all time of like well Yoko Ono broke them all up and it's all her fault and it's like no there was George Harrison didn't want to be a part of this anymore when him was he was out the door wringo was wringo and Paul was the only one that's like I just want to keep making music and you have that scene I think it's the best scene in the in the whole thing outside of the music stuff where they're all sitting there in the morning Linda's right next to him and Paul's explaining to the managers if the man's in love the man's in love I can't take that away from him and he looks right at her he looks right at Linda who is the love of his life he'd been married a bunch other times but we all know who's we all know that we all know that and it's like I can't get mad at him for this like how can you get mad at him and it seemed like this footage that had been lost for such a long time and the thing about the like the original documentary about this time I forgot the title of it um because they had like another cut and then they found all this other footage and all this other um and all this other dialogue um you know sound recordings and different things of that nature and they stitch and then the Jackson spin in a Norden and my time stitching this all together um is that plays this off that plays them all off as they they hate each other and it's nasty and and it's you know John's a villain and all this stuff and it's like no these are just four guys that are just a natural progression and then the natural yeah I mean everyone's doing their own thing they've done absolute art together best ever in the world and now it's over it's no I mean like do you have to I mean Christina what people forget about the Beatles is all their music is in eight years all of it is in eight years time it's not even a decade's worth of music and it's all this great music it's it's hundreds of songs that they've done together and the the girls chasing after and the constant touring and the constant making music at a certain point you won't just live a life it's rough to do something and so the last waltz was kind of just like a great introspective look into like a band crumbling and this is a we're gonna go out and we're gonna do this last thing and it's gonna be great and it's gonna make us better and it's not trying to point fingers and yeah then all the behind the music stuff and then making this album and doing the rooftop stuff and all that you're just like you're just like holy hell I will watch six weekends full of this stuff please continue it was an event it was an event to be able to be with them one last time and then you know I never asked you what did you think about the the quote unquote new song that came out last year it didn't it didn't really stick I mean it was wonderful to be able to hear it and and but I can't say that I had it on replay a hundred times okay yeah how about you I felt complicated by it because when I was like the AI use was was a little like a hot god but then I was like but then I got John back for like one last song and but they but they didn't like read they just used it to they used AI to find his voice in this really small like so I get it but it's still like it's weird it's a weird it's a weird thing to be like we have a Beatles song in the middle nowhere I would have been fine without it especially considering things like this movie coming out where you get to revisit them oh god I felt more for real than no I don't I don't want the Sam Mendes for movies oh no oh my god no I don't really worries and even though they're like oh this cast is amazing in this one I don't like the fact that it but no please I don't like that it's four movies from each of their perspectives because then that that feeds that feels like it's feeding off of the um the negative perceptions and the the fake rumors of like well john hated this about this person so we're gonna see it through his perspective it's like I don't need to see four damn movies like that like just make one movie you know what I mean like or make or make a mini series right yeah okay um my last one I'm not going to talk too much about it because it's an upcoming documentary for most people but I want you to go see it so I don't want to spoil it too much and that's the documentary fey um which I saw about me down away um which is coming to HBO in July and it's another fascinating and sad and irritating um view of how women are treated in Hollywood were treated and are treated I would say and how she got the label of being difficult all the time um but seeing this movie she opens up and explains certain issue I don't want to say too much but certain issues that she actually had that no one had any sort of respect for um and how difficult it was for her to sort of come back to get him I mean other people will do something wrong and then they do a new bad boys movie in there and that's it they can continue on um but I don't know who you're talking about that but she and also the incredible level of career that she had and someone in the documentary I don't remember who just says that the thing about fey done a way that she disappeared into every single role that she did um in a way that's so unusual and um she had good things and she had bad things and but she was always just one of the incredible stars that Hollywood has had um and there are certain things about the documentary that I find a little bit to Wikipedia but and if you don't know about her this is definitely something that you should dive into and it's always wonderful to see and there's all these explanations of that incredible um photo you know the one she took the morning she won the Oscar um by the Beverly Hills pool and how that worked out and how they did it's really fun fact I can't wait to see it I know that there were some like mixed reviews that I can but it's also like the best part of it is that she talks and she's yeah and she's very very as we were taught we started this show saying it about Celine and it's the same here she is so open and raw about her mental issues and what she was going through that that is really incredible and the rest of the documentary around it is a bit you know as she was born here and this happened yeah but paint by numbers but you kind of have to be like that um but um it's still absolutely worth watching well I'm excited for it um you know I'm big fate done away fan and you know I'm not the biggest fate done away fan of our team over at awards watch that would be Sophia Seminella but but I love her work and it is one of those cases of I think a lot of actresses from the 60s and 70s where you're like where did they go and so I'm I'm that's what I'm hoping to figure out is you know obviously you know she's known to have a difficult past but that hasn't stopped others in the past as well too especially male counterparts like you you know in more modern sense like you just said but um but no I know that you know the mixed reaction at a can is I sat there and went well that doesn't really matter because like most of those people probably over there don't have the history or understanding I think of who she was as an actress and so when you said that you liked it um that's what I know it's like okay we're gonna get the goods here potentially so I'm very much looking forward to it I know that some people already have screeners and I'm annoyed I don't have mine but uh I'll get one and I'll watch it thank you this was so we could have mentioned so many more I loved oh my god Bonda that was recently and and everything like this was not but this was a great I loved here in your picked and your picks and I can't wait to have you back soon I can't wait to come back I'm gonna be here way too much people are gonna be like I'm sick of him get him out of here opposite they ask for you you're gonna be sick of me it's like why did I say yes no I will never be sick of you I love I love talking with you Christina I love I mean we're you we're gonna be in like two months we're gonna be together again in the mountains of tell you right so um and that's when she really has to put up with me folks in person not on a zoom she could kick me out of the zoom at any time she put it but when we're there nope she's stuck with me they could tell the listeners where they can find you well you can find all my work at awards watch dot 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