School is back and exporting goods has what you need to win your year. We've got everything from cleats to sambas, dunks, and more. Plus, the hottest looks from Nike, Jordan, and Adidas. Find your first day fits in-store or online at dicks.com. [MUSIC] It's the snipping agent next hockey podcast, Dan, for to hit that like button, subscribe wherever you hear podcasts and leave us a five-star review. I'm PD, as always. Again, I'm all alone, Leah is still in Europe and Craig is parts unknown. So this is hopefully the last show, but I have to drive the bus all by myself. But on this audio edition, I will own the edition of the Ph. And I've got a hockey show, I'm really excited for my, for my guest today. That's somebody I've tried to get on the show for a very long time. And finally, former Michigan State graduate, and long time they do a playback play voice of the Arizona Coyotes, Bob Heathouse, joins the show. Bob, thanks for taking the time today. >> Pediatrics, my pleasure, and this is kind of reverse roles. Because for so many years, you know, I would interview you on the bench after the warm up at Coyote's home games. You'll give me your great insights and now you're the big media star and I get a chance to get some questions from you. >> Big media star, it's like, because this is honestly, this is how I got started. Like this was the first taste. And I remember like the PR director at the time, Rich Nan came to me and said, hey, do you want to do the pregame coaching show with Bob Heathouse? And I was like jumping over the moon for it because a lot of the assistant coaches and Bob, no offense. Sometimes the assistant coaches didn't want to do it. Either they felt they were too busy or they were getting prepped for the game. And I'm like, heck yeah, I'll do it as much as I could. So I got to tell you, I was extremely nervous getting on the microphone with you the first few times, but I'm glad you encouraged me to do it. >> Well, you didn't ever show that you're a nervous PD, you were great. You gave us great answers and your presence on the air was outstanding. And I realized that it's a tough time to do those interviews for any assistant coach, you know, right at the end of the warm up. And everybody said, still maybe making some last minute adjustments for the game and maybe they don't want to be bothered or too busy. But you always took the time, we appreciated that. You gave us great answers. And maybe it was a little training ground for what you're doing now. >> Yes, it was, I tell you what. And I always got so nervous, but you made it so easy. You're exceptional at what you do in making your interview guests comfortable. But I want to, before we really get into this, I wanted to share something about Bob. And anybody that ever worked with Bob or been around Bob is going to tell you nice this guy and hockey, you're here over and over and over again. But personally for me, when the coyote is letting me go and it was probably, not probably, it was the toughest year of my life when I was unemployed. And I tell you what, the one person that was there all of the time was Bob Hiddos. Calling you, calling you, checking up on me. And more importantly, is this started to happen with the podcast when we started to get behind the microphone. Bob was my mentor, Bob said, do this, do that night to this day. I have a little note card, it's an orange note card that says slow down on it. And that's my Bob Hiddos thing, my Bob Hiddos note. Because Bob always said, everybody here knows my anxiety, Bob. I talk really fast. So I constantly have to look at my Bob Hiddos card to say slow down. So Bob, honestly, thank you for helping me get on this journey because I have never had so much fun in my life. So I just sincerely wanted to say thank you for everything you did for me. Well, Petey, you're very welcome. No need to thank me. Obviously, you and I have been friends for a long time. And when you were coaching with the Coyotes, you're always so good to me, giving me information, helping me do my job better. And just from a human standpoint, I mean, we were friends. And when you lost your job with the Coyotes, I mean, I was devastated because, you know, you're an institution there. You were integral part of their coaching staff. And I wanted to do anything that I could just to make you feel better and to pump you up and to make you know that, you know, you are a special person with a lot of talent and that maybe you could go in a different direction. And obviously, you have taken this and run with it. And I'm so happy for your success and what you're doing now. Oh, wow. Wow, Bob, I got to make sure the producer clips that. That was really good. Thanks, Bob. But Bob, how did we get? How do you get, like, tell me the Bob Heat House story to get you to be the play-by-play voice, some guy in Michigan, going to Michigan State, those parties got to keep an eye on those parties. How do you get from there to trade Tiger fan? And how do you get here to be the play-by-play voice of the Arizona Coyotes? Well, pity is a long and twisted road, I guess. You know, I did graduate from Michigan State in 1983. I'm obviously dating myself. And that point, you know, you look out for all kinds of jobs all around the country. And in college, I had the opportunity to broadcast hockey, baseball and basketball on the student radio station. Believe it or not, baseball was always my dream. Baseball and hockey were my favorite sports. And so I thought perhaps I would get into baseball. But a really great thing happened for me in my hometown of Muskegon, Michigan, where they had a minor pro team in the old IHL. They were changing ownership, changing franchises at that time. And I had an opportunity to interview with them. And I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that I was local, you know, and they felt that a lot of people would know me. Maybe it would be easier to get to into the community and promote the team. And so I was hired, fresh out of Michigan State. I graduated in December and I was hired in June. So that's when the journey began and I was with that team for eight seasons. At that time, we were the affiliate of the Pittsburgh Penguins. And a lot of the players that played with the lumberjacks actually went on to start with the pens and played integral parts of their first back-to-back Stanley Cup championships in '91, '92. Most notably, Mark Wrecky, the NHL. Wow. Or I should say hockey Hall of Famer. And it was great to see him as a rookie, such a great guy, and watch him develop. Kevin Stevens was another one, Frank Peter Angelo, Paul Stanton, Jimmy Pack. I mean, I can go on and on. All the guys that were a big part of the Muskegon lumberjacks went on to play in the NHL. And it was a great training ground for them, great training ground for me. Our team was very successful. We were able to go to the IHL Turner Cup finals six times in eight years. And one at twice, we were kind of like the Buffalo Bills of the IHL. We always went to the finals. At least we did win twice, but we're unsuccessful four times. But it was a great run. And I'd never really even thought about getting to the NHL. I mean, it was in the back of my mind, but I was having a blast. I mean, it was my hometown. And I was broadcasting for this team that was so successful. And I was obviously much younger than the same age as the players. So you become more friendly with the players and little town. So we were all heroes. Obviously, the players were in me because I was a local guy. There was a certain amount of fanfare. And so it was fun. And then all of a sudden, the lumberjacks moved from Muskegon to Cleveland, Ohio. As the IHL was getting bigger. And the cities were growing. And there was a thought at that time that the IHL could maybe have some sort of competition with the NHL, even though that was short-sighted. But they felt that the players were pretty good. And also, the ticket sales could be-- or the ticket costs, I should say, could be lower. And it was supposed to be like an alternative in these bigger cities to NHL hockey. Well, that didn't work. But there were a lot of big cities coming to the IHL. And when our team moved to Cleveland, the owner said, Bob, thank you very much for your service. But we're moving on. And just like me in Muskegon, they wanted a local person in Cleveland to share their broadcast and PR. So at that point, I was looking for a job. And the great Adam Keller, who everybody in Phoenix knows as a former Roadrunner player at that time, was the general manager of the IHL's Phoenix Roadrunners. And thankfully, I wasn't out of work long when Adam called and offered me a job to come to Phoenix and split radio duties with Dave Tennell and also do PR. And so I came out to the Roadrunners. And it was a great experience for me coming from a small town and being thrust into the big metropolis of Phoenix. That was in 1992. And it was, again, great training for me to be in a bigger market. A lot more listeners. We were the top affiliate for the LA Kings at that time. So a lot of players came through there that went on to play for the Kings. And I had a great time working with Dave Tennell. He would branch into television. So then I did all of the radio by myself. And that really helped me as a training ground as well. And I was with the Roadrunners for five years. So there's 13 years in the minor leagues. And again, I'm still enjoying it. I love the game of hockey, as you know, Petey. And so no matter what level I was at, I was just having fun and taking it seriously. And again, the NHL really wasn't in the back of my mind that much, but then all of a sudden the Roadrunners fold it. And so for the second time, I was out of a job in the International Hockey League. And then very again, a big break for me was getting to be on the Coyotes broadcast as a host, doing the pregame show and the Intermissions and Postgame. And I just love that. Started in the second year that the Coyotes had come to the Valley. So that would have been 1997, '98. And just enjoyed that. Just being a part of an NHL broadcast. And I had a postgame call-in show. So we were able to meet a lot of people through that. And Keith Kuchak used to call in. And that was a huge thrill for me. And the fans just loved that. But Bob, I'm going to hold you to that, because that one Keith used to call in. And I think Dallas Drake would call in too. But then they used pseudonyms when they'd call in. They didn't say they were Keith Kuchak and Dallas Drake. They would say they're somebody else, didn't they? Wouldn't they say they're a Dallas Drake called in? And because the world called in and then Dallas Drake had a call in to talk about war. But he used to do that to complain about how bad Keith Kuchak was at the time. I remember that. I think I'm not quite sure what the pseudonym was. But there was a Sergey from Casagrand that we never knew. So we came from Casagrand. It was good. That was Valley Drake. I'm not sure. When you go back to the late times, Bob, it's funny, because we both started in '97, '98. That was my first year as a member of the staff at the Coyotes too. But I was, when you first started, then the video guy job was much, much, much different than it evolved into. You were kind of on the outside looking in. You were providing VHS tapes. And you weren't really a part of it yet. So I used to get all of my nuggets on the way home. Listen to the Bob Hino show on the drive home. Like, that's how I became knowledgeable. What was going on? I listened to you. And it's funny how that evolved so much over time. So the second I worked late into the night, but I'd get to drive home listening to you. And there were some cast of characters. And there's a couple of guys that I remember that I couldn't wait to call in. And one of those guys was Tom from Chandler. And so Tom became the regular caller. And so he just had to wait every day to see what Tom from Chandler had to say. What about those times? All those post-game shows. And one of the things that really sticks with me is how positive you are. I don't care if they got blown out. They got beat is Bob. No, Bob, Bob was putting on his happy face. What are those post-game shows like for you, Bob? They were great, PD, because I had never been a talk show host, never done that type of work before. I was always, you know, play-by-play person. And so I was thrust into this role, but it was a chance to be on an NHL broadcast. And I tried to embrace it. I don't know how good I was or successful I was, but I really enjoyed talking hockey with the fans. And sometimes I had a little trouble, you know, maybe moving on to a different caller. That was the producer in the studio used to say, "Cut him off, cut him off." I always try to keep the people going. And because I felt like if they were nice enough to call in, then at least they had an opportunity to present their view, as long as they didn't, you know, get too bad on the team or swearing or something like that. But yeah, Tom from Chandler was the best. In fact, I think, you know, he was one of the big reasons why that show was successful. Because as you said, everyone was waiting to hear from Tom and Chandler and what he had to say. And there was no more a passionate fan than Tom. I mean, when the Coyotes won, he was sky high. Everybody was great. When the Coyotes lost, he was really upset and down on the dumps and everybody was horrible. Should be traded and fired and everything else. And sometimes I try to talk him off the ledge, but we had some pretty good debates. Tom and I, you know, his favorite player was Big Wall, Heath Kachok, and Shane Doan. Once Big Wall to move down to St. Louis, then Shane became his favorite. And so he really went the longest mile to promote those guys. And they really enjoyed him, I think. I know that at games, Shane would come over and acknowledge him. Tom would be down by the glass. I think Keith Kachok did as well. And one of those times that Keith Kachok called in as himself, we set it up to where he got to talk with Tom. And that was Tom's biggest thrill. And so he was definitely the star of the show. I was just the guy that was steering the ship, but Tom from Chandler was the star of that show. No question. - Yeah, it's funny that Bob, we keep seeing him. I've run into Tom from Chandler 'cause he had some health issues for a long time, but I've seen him right up until this last season. - I saw him at, I saw him down at Tucson, at a road where he was a die-hard fan right until that team left through the gates up to Utah. - Yeah, he certainly was. And then another caller was Pat from Phoenix. - Pat. - Yeah. - And he was kind of a different tangent. And so it was a grumpy old man too, Pat. - Tom and Tom from Chandler and Pat really were good. You know, Ying and Yang so to speak on that call-in show. And there were some others too. There were some regulars that would come on, but it was a lot of fun. And it really, again, proved as a training ground for me because I was able to integrate myself into NHL hockey, you know, into the Coyotes personnel and players. And so it was really, I think, beneficial for me to later become the play-by-play announcer on radio because I already, you know, knew everybody. And as you said, I tried to be as positive as possible. I felt I was maybe an extension of the PR department. So I think also, you know, you can criticize but be tactful about it. So I always tried to come out with the positives, but if there was some critical things, I mean, 'cause you'd have to keep your credibility. So if the team loses six to nothing and they were awful, you know, you have to talk about that, but maybe you can do it in a way where it's not so demeaning to everybody. And that's what I tried to do. And, you know, I did that job for seven years, you know? So here we are 20 years into my career. And I was-- - I called in a NHL game, yeah. - I called one, actually. I filled in for the great Kurt Kielback one time. - Oh, well, how? - When he was gone, yeah. I think, unfortunately, he had a death in the family or his wife's family. So Kurt was gone and at that time, the Coyotes were doing a simulcast. So I was thrust into TV and radio. - Wow, you got it. - I was working with Charlie Simmer and the great cast behind the scenes in production. Obviously, Todd Walsh was involved as well. And it was a great night. I was really nervous. But I think I did okay because I was able to use that as maybe kind of a resume tape to show, you know, the broadcast director and Doug Moss at that time, the president that I could maybe do the job. And I think that really helped me, that one opportunity to fill in for Kurt. But as I said, I did that for seven years. And then the Coyotes decided to break up their simulcast. - Yup. - And I had the opportunity to become the radio play-by-play announcer. But there was a caveat, Peter. It was in the summer of 2004. - Yup. - And so they said, you know, you're hired as a radio broadcaster, but you won't start until the NHL ends its labor dispute and begins the 04/05 season. Well, guess what? They never did. And so my broadcast partner, Louis de Brosk, the great Louis de Brosk who's going on to big and big heights, so to speak, with Canadian television. And again, I had to wait a year. - Wow. - But finally we're signed to the Coyotes as their regular radio team. And so we started in the fall of 2005. - Well, it's funny 'cause you talked about Louis de Brosk. And I tell you what, I love Louis de Brosk. I liked him as a Coyote player, but you listen to him now call games up in Canada. He's outstanding. He is a very, very accomplished analyst up in Canada right now. He's one of my favorite guys to listen to. But when he started with Bob Heahouse, he was not quite the Louis de Brosk that we know now. I remember the big joke where he used to go back to you, Bob, when everybody came to get in trouble. It was back to you, Bob, but let's talk about those because it's not just Louis. You've put so many people through their initial experience with media. And I talked about myself, but Paul Bissonette, he got Tom Curvers, who becomes the late Tom Curvers, who went on to be an assistant GM for the wild. And Jimmy Johnson, a coach in the NHL, and now Lindsey Fry. But all those people started with you. And I tell you what, Paul Bissonette was not Paul Bissonette back when he started with you. He was another guy, what was it like having all these guys that had never done it before? No experience at all doing any kind of media. Now they're your right hand man. - Well, it was great. And it was certainly a learning experience. Now I have to crack you on one thing. - Uh-oh. - I was still hosting when Tom-- - Oh, TK, yeah, TK, they were with-- - It was the heel back. - Could, yeah, you're right, I'm sorry. See, that's why fact checking, life fact checking, I like it. - I started with Louis. And like I said, Louis and I were hired prior to the '04 or '05 season that never was. So we began in the season of the '05, '06, October of 2005. In Vancouver, you were there, Petey. - Wow. - And it was a circus. The league was just starting again after having a year off. It was Wayne Gretzky's first game with the Coyotes as an NHL coach. And I remember interviewing Wayne in the morning for the coaches show and I was really nervous, you know, talking to Wayne, but he was great as always. And then later that night, Louis and I were, I think to put it mildly very, very stressed out to do our first NHL game together in Vancouver. - In Vancouver. - We really enjoyed it. And I don't think there were too many mess ups, but we were able to ease into it and then pretty soon, you know, everything got pretty stable, I think. And as you said, you know, Louis had some issues early, but he really, really blossomed into a really good announcer and obviously now to the, to the national Canadian TV level that he's at now. But one thing about Louis, he really was a worker, you know, and he studied information right from the start. You know, it's difficult for the players to break into broadcasting if they go straight from playing to broadcasting because it's like they go on the road and they don't have any playing responsibilities. They don't have to practice. They don't have a curfew. They don't, you don't have to be responsible to the coaches. And so it's like, when they first start, it's like going to Disneyland for those guys. I mean, they broadcast the games, but they also can indulge in what the cities have to offer. And so I think most of the guys that I was with early had a period where they were just kind of initiating themselves into broadcasting, but then after a while, it became apparent that to do it well, you really do have to take it seriously and prepared. One thing about Louis is from the start, you know, Louis prepared hard and Louis is a very intelligent guy. And I can certainly see why he's where he's at today. And then after Louis, it was Tyson Nash. - He came in before this? - He did, yeah. - Only like is then he went to TV. - Yeah, Tyson Nash. - So you got him first too? - Yeah, jeez. - There was there. And, you know, Nash here is certainly a character. No question about that. Those who watch him on Coyote's television know that, but back then he was kind of a more raw version than he is now even. And so those broadcasts were fun too, because I never knew what Nash here was going to do. And after that, I think that's when the coyotes went into a bankruptcy and Darren Pang, who was the television color guy, went to the St. Louis Blues. So then Tyson rushed into television, yeah. And so Tyson was with me just one year full time. But then in those days, the coyotes didn't televise as many games as they do today. So then whenever a game was not televised and Tyson would come back and work with me. And that lasted for, I think, five years. - Wow, that long. - Yeah. - And before you saw the big post of that years. And then came Nick Boynton. - Oh, okay. Good grief. Another name I forgot. Another guy, first experience with you. - That's right. - Another coyote defenseman. - And Nick, I think worked for a few years. I think three for Nick. And Nick knew the game really well. Sometimes maybe a little bit over critical. I think you could say. And that maybe was something that was not really looked positively upon by some of the powers that be. But I think Nick was very good. He really could break down the game. And like everybody, he treated me very well. We had a good report together. And I enjoyed working with Nick Boynton for those three years. And then came Biz. - Then came Biz. Finally, we get to Paul Bissonette. - Finally, we're with Paul Bissonette. And in the beginning, Petey was like, you know, those morning FM radio shows, like the morning zoo that, where everything goes? Well, that was the first year with Paul. - That was Paul. - And I would just kind of guide the ship a little bit, but really just sit back and let Paul do a staying. - So he had that personality even then? - Oh yeah, I mean, he was so entertaining. And he never knew which way he was going to go. It was like riding a big wave, but you just try to hold on and let him go. He used to sing a lot during broadcast. And there's a lot of different things. But the one thing about Paul, as you could tell early, that again, he really knew the game. - Right. - And I was with Paul for three years. And during that time, you know, it went from kind of an entertainment type broadcast. I mean, we never disrespected the game. I don't want to, you know-- - No, but you didn't have fun. And he was a fun guy. We know what he's like, sure. - Yeah, we had fun, but we never, you know, it still tried to make the game number one, but what in between breaks and post game and intermissions, you know, Paul was Paul and he was just great to work with and very entertaining for anybody who was listening. But as time went on, then Paul started to take it a little bit more seriously as well. And he became more polished while still bringing in, you know, the things that make Paul Paul. And by the end of the third year, I knew that, he wasn't going to be long for radio anymore. I knew that he was certainly going to be either in television or the entertainment business. And I was very happy to see him leave and go on and have such a great career that he is now. He's a, obviously, as you know, PD, he's a real star in hockey television. - Yeah, and it's a funny thing that you mentioned what got me, and you talk about promise in it. And I think there might be a little misnomer on him. And loomie too, you look at these guys, they're very good at what they do. And both of them now are actual hockey analysts on a national level. And one of the things you mentioned about both of them while you were talking about them is how hard they worked. And I think that one of the things that people might not understand is how hard it is for a play-by-play guy or an analyst to prepare for a game. I think people just think you sit down trying to make a phone on and then you go. It's not like that. And I learned that early in that I learned again. I talk about what I learned from you. That's one of the things I learned that if I wanted to do this and I joke a lot about that, I don't read the show runs and I don't say it, but you have to be prepared or you look like you're not prepared. And I do think that you, if you wanna be good at this, and I think that Paul and then Louis great examples, Paul works really, really hard. And he's not just this fun, loving guy. I know that's what you see, but he works extremely hard to get there. And I think a lot of that's a credit to you and how you prepared. And now your last partner wins and fly. I think the key here is Bob, I needed to be your partner so that I could be on TV. If I wanna be on TV, I think the key to that would have been to everybody who's your partner. The great Lindsey Fry, amazing player for the USA national teams. And she has gone on to do somewhat with a lot of TV, but she's done a lot of great things in this hockey community. What's she been like to work with? - Wonderful, wonderful. I can't say enough good things about Lindsey. She's a tremendous person, knows the game extremely well, so intelligent, so articulate, and just has a passion for hockey and to help others, the youth of the valley get better, particularly of course, young girls. But Lindsey was great. I worked with Lindsey for four years. The longest I worked with any partner. And right from the start, Lindsey was good. I mean, she came, as you said, from a hockey background, started Harvard, US Olympian. So she had played at the highest level that women's hockey has to offer. And just because she didn't play in the NHL doesn't mean that she doesn't know the game, and she could break down plays extremely well and do it very, very well and very articulately. And so she, I think, was a star right from the beginning, and she got into television as well on the coyotes pregame and postgame shows. And hopefully, if she wants to, in her future, she'll get more television reps because she's definitely good enough. And, you know, I can't say enough good things about all my partner speed. Every one of them was different in their own way, but they all treated me extremely well, and I really enjoyed working with all of them. And I don't take any credit for the heights that they've gone to. I just tried to encourage them and, you know, show them a positive way to do things, and the rest of their own. I mean, they all are very talented people, and I'm so happy and proud of how they've been able to move on into television and having great careers. But, you know, people say, well, everybody was with you and went to TV. Well, I think they were destined for TV before they got to me. (laughing) I don't know about it. I heard some of those old interviews with Bess and Louis. I'm not so sure they were destined for TV, but we'll see. You can't say it enough, though, because certainly when athletes come in and they haven't done it before, they're gonna make mistakes. Sure. And so, you know, I would never ever get on them or tell them, no, you gotta do it this way. I would just be encouraging and support them and, you know, just try to be an example, especially in the preparation department. And, you know, they all were very intelligent and they caught on very quickly. And obviously, you know, they've all done great things and I'm very proud of them. You've got to hold mistakes, Bob, and this is something that I've found. One thing, this is made this no secret here. This is pre-recorded. This isn't live. So if we make a huge error, which we won't, because we're both professionals here, we won't, that we can come up with, but when you're only here, you're live and you're live all the time for what we talked about over 20 years of live broadcast, was there ever a time when the answer was going to be yes, I hope there is 'cause if you're perfect, that will be really disappointing for me 'cause I make mistakes all the time. That you made a mistake and you go, "Uh-oh, I'm in trouble." And it just kind of goes, kind of goes blank like that. That's where I get that panic and I go, "Uh-oh, what just happened? "What is your worst memory for your worst mistake live on the air?" Well, Katie, there's many of them. As you can imagine, I've been-- I doubt there's many, Bob. In this game at one level or another for, what, 39 years? And so over the years, there's been a lot of mistakes and you just try to, I always think that you don't take yourself too seriously. So if you make a mistake, own it, kind of laugh it off and then move on. Don't dwell on it and maybe even joke about it a little bit with your partner or whatever, but I remember in my early years with Muskegon Lumberjacks, we had a player named Rod Schott on the team and he was a former NHL player and he was towards the end of his career. So he was in the minor pro level. And one time he was coming down on the left wing and taking a shot and in my hurtness to get off a call, I said, "Rod Schott takes a wrist." Well-- You can say it, Bob, you can say it. This is a podcast, Bob. I said, "Rod Schott takes a wrist shit." And he said, "Shut," you know, because-- Sure. "Shut and wrist." "Shut, shot, shit, wrist." Yeah, I get it. That's tough, man. That's a tough one. Yeah, and so that was one that stands out early, you know? Do you just panic, Bob, or do you just keep going? You just got to keep going. Just have to keep going. Yeah. I mean, sometimes, you know, the only time you panic is when you can't see some time and you identify the wrong players. Right. But again, you're on radio for the majority of this and no one's going to know. Right. Like even this identified player, mispronunciations, especially as this game, ooh, 10, but all the foreign players, now the mispronunciations must drive you insane. Like how hard it is to get those correct. Oh, for sure. And every year, you know, the names get harder and the game gets faster. Sure. But I'm just thinking, you know, along the lines in the NHL, some of the mistakes, you know, not identifying the right player when he scores. So you say that somebody scores, they actually didn't. Yeah. And one time, if you know me, PD, I like to talk and expound and sometimes too much need to be more concise. And there is a time, I believe it was in Minnesota and I can't remember the player's name. But again, you were there because you were there on most of my ride in the NHL. And I was talking about something and all of a sudden, I talked over a player's first career in each other. No. And that was, I was just, I think it was, remember the player named LaHoo? Yeah, of course. H-O-U-X, LaHoo. Didn't he score in Minnesota for the first time? Yeah, and you were talking over a ball, but it happens. And again, it happens. Look, you get expounding and here's the thing and I'm gonna get on you a little bit because I've seen it at the national level on television tour where you gotta get your nuggets in, the play, I've researched all week, I'm getting this nugget in on this guy and I'm gonna tell this story. And sometimes you miss stuff and that happens. That's right. You have to somehow get a good mix. As I've gotten older and more experienced, even though I continue to prepare as much as I always did, I feel like because the game is so fast, maybe you don't get in as many nuggets, maybe you don't get in as many stories because the bottom line is the fans wanna hear what's going on. Sure. And maybe not, you know, Bob Heathouse to spot out about how many goals this guy has in the last five games, something like that. And so I think I've cut down on that a little bit in the last several years, but I always have them ready because I feel like certain instances in the game happen where if you have a nugget ready about that instance or that player or that team, and then maybe that's the most opportune time to use it. And obviously, you know, it's important too to have, I wouldn't say be friends with the players, but certainly have a bit of a business like camaraderie with the players so you feel comfortable with them, they feel comfortable with you. So that's how you get most of your stories. You know, when you talk to players and you can accumulate knowledge about that individual. And so it's more interesting to tell stories when it comes firsthand. But you're right, Petey, you know, I'm guilty of it. A lot of broadcasters are guilty of it because I think it's a thing where we prepare so much. Yeah. And so you think, well, you know, I've done all this work, I gotta get this stuff in. But it's really, you know, not as important as you think it is. And I think that especially on television, because television is more analyst driven. And, you know, the viewers can see what's going on and not to say the play-by-play person shouldn't be informative with stories or nuggets, but you have to pick your spots. And the analyst is prime number one on television. On radio, it's more play-by-play driven because obviously that the listeners can't see. And so it's more of a challenge for the analyst to find spots to jump in. In between whistles and obviously when a play is in one end or in the neutral zone is the best when an analyst can make a point during play. But if that puck turns over, then all of a sudden, you know, you get caught. And sometimes that happens as well. You know, when you think that you have time and the puck is in the neutral zone, then there's a turnover at the blue line and a guy's scoring and you're trying to catch up. So it's a real delicate balance to define the right mixture of information and actual play-by-play that tells everybody what's going on. And I think that even though I've been in this business a long time, you know, you never stop learning. And I still feel like I can continue to fine-tune what I do and just try to get better. - Yeah, it's funny because you do. You talked about your partners, but there are a lot of games where you are the guy and there was no analyst either. You're on the road. You didn't have the opportunity to have somebody with you. So you got to carry the show and I'll tell you this, Bob. In my limited media experience, I usually have Leah and/or Craig to lean on to feeling out when I get in trouble. And it's hard to fly solo, but I want to talk about another part of your job. It's not just the play-by-play. And we've talked about your pre- and post-game show, but one of the other big pieces of what you do when you're with the Coyotes is you have the coaches show. And those are on the road, the coaches show. Yeah, the head coach on the road. And you talked about Wayne Gretzky already, but I want to know more about what that explains. One, going through your head, 'cause it's still in Gretzky. I worked for Wayne too in the first few days. It's still in Gretzky. It takes a long time for the shine to wear out. I can go, "Okay, he's just another coach that I work with." So is that part of it? What's that experience like coming up with those interviews and the interview part of your job? What's those important people as the head coach? Well, Peter, as you know, because now you're doing a lot of interviews, it takes research and it also takes listening because when you ask a question, you go into an interview and you have certainly an outline of questions and topics you want to get to. And sometimes however, if you ask a question and the coach goes in a different direction or gives you information that maybe leads to another question, you have to listen to what the individual's saying and maybe not go to your script so strictly and follow up with a question that pertains to what the coach said. And so that's an art I think that you have to learn. And certainly when the team is not going well, you approach the interviews differently than when things are going well and the team is winning. Coach is generally in a better mood. Obviously when the team is winning, you have more things to talk about that are positive. And again, I was a coyote employee, so you're not gonna get into a lot of negative things. So you have to think about trying to be as positive as possible and asking questions that the coach can maneuver either way that he wants. If he wants to be more negative than he can do that or not. And so it was a lot of fun. Again, many coaches, Wayne Gretzky and then Dave Tippett and Rick Tockett, and then obviously Andre Terini and all those guys again were great to me. I can't say enough good things about them. I mean, Wayne always made time to talk and Wayne gave up really good answers. And obviously Tipp was there for a long time and Tipp was really good with me as well. And then there's Tock. I mean, you love Tock. Everybody loves Tock. - Great interview too. - Great interview. - He tells you what's on his mind. - He was great 'cause there was just that raw passion with Tock. And I'm so happy for what he has done in Vancouver. And now he's gonna also be a coach in the Four Nations Tournament. And it's just wonderful to see Rick really blossoming as a head coach. And Andre Terini is maybe the best of all of the coaches at answering a question thoroughly, you know? And honestly, well maybe Tock was the most honest, but when you've interviewed Bear and when he answers things for you, he really does a great job of coming through with not only a hockey answer, but sometimes philosophy and answer about life. And, you know, Bear is a guy that I could listen to forever. Talk about hockey. - Well, you're talking about those interviews, Bob, and I'm gonna ask you two different things. Hardest interview you've ever had. And whether it's preparation or the answers were hard getting out of a player or a coach that, and that happens. - Yeah, sometimes you maybe feel like you're pulling teeth, trying to get answers from a guy. Hardest interview, and then the follow up to that, your favorite interview of all time. And I'll give you a hint on mine, but this will be a close second, obviously, because it's right there. But Dowley Drake, Dallas Drake, came out of nowhere. We interviewed him six months ago, outstanding interview. He was outstanding. He was my favorite interview we've done. It was funny, told stories. So I want to know your hardest and your most favorite interview all time. Oh, GP, yeah. - That's a lot of pressure. - I had to think for a while about those, 'cause-- - So I have to remember, 'cause I can't remember that far back. And I've only done this for three years, again, 39. I don't know how to come up with it. - I've been fortunate to do a lot of interviews. I remember back in the minors and interviewed a player. I'm not gonna mention any names, but he just came back from the Parapitsburg Penguins. And he was not happy. - Not happy to be there. - To be in Muskegon, Michigan. And he had played with the pens, he was a young guy. And he thought that he was off on his great NHL career. But things didn't go that well for him after a little while at the NHL level. So he came back to Muskegon. And as is the custom when any new player comes to the team, the radio person interviews that individual right away, because the fans want to hear from the new player. Well, I knew right from the start that he wasn't happy doing things. And so I finally said to him, you know, so what do you think about coming to Muskegon and playing for the Lumberjacks? And he said, I hate it. (laughing) I'm out of my Pitsburg. - And that was right, but yeah, good interview, Bob. - That's to you, Bob. - That was pretty candid. - Yeah. - Because usually, you know, usually guys will, you know, saw kind of a little bit even though they're disappointed. - Yeah, that's good. - I wish I could do the things I got to do to work hard to get back up to the big club and blah, blah, blah. No, I hate it here. That's when it was known to be the partner, back to you, Bob. - Exactly. What do you say after that? - Yeah, exactly. - Trying to think that there's some players who, you know, don't speak the language real well. - And that makes harder. - Those interviews are tough, because, you know, you have to have a lot of questions ready. - You know the short answers, yeah. - You're gonna get really short answers. And so you try to move the interview along and just try to pick until you find something that, you know, lights a little fire in that individual that they're either interested in or happy about. And even young guys, you know, young guys, they come to the NHL more prepared now, but years ago, young players, you know, were very quiet and didn't want to speak out much. And so those interviews were kind of tough sometime, but, you know, again, I'm trying to think about some of the, I'll tell you one guy who gave me the most trouble, but he had had the best interviews ever. And that was Ray Whitney, the great, the great, really. - Really? Really? - And, but it wasn't like a personality thing. Ray and I were, were really, you know, good together. You know, he treated me extremely well. In fact, to this day when I see Ray's so friendly, but Ray had a thing where he really didn't care about doing interviews. - Yeah. - And so, you know, he'd come to him and say, you know, what, you got a few minutes and he goes, oh, come on, heater, it's not today. You're going to get me again. Go through that whole fine dance. And then I start to walk away. Okay, no problem with, we'll do it another time. And then he's, no, no, come back, come back. And so then I sit down next to him and he gives, you know, five minutes of the best interview you'd ever want. - Yeah, that's funny 'cause it's Phil Kessels like that too. Phil, if you could finally corner Phil, he hated him. He truly hated him. If you could corner him, he would do an outstanding job. But Ray Whitney, I tell you what, he's been a friend of this program. He's always, he's a little salty when it comes to those things. Bob, you've traveled a lot. A very long, long time. And I've talked about this on the show a lot. Traveling's hard. It's not, I mean, there are fun games. Don't get me wrong. And I have more fun in games than Bob, right? 'Cause when I joined Bob, I joined him from Orange Juice. I joined other people for other things. But, but I want to ask you a few things about your travels. So, I've always espoused on the show. My favorite city to travel to in the National Hockey League is Vancouver. I love going to Vancouver. It's a beautiful city. It's my favorite in Canada, certainly. So your favorite city traveling to in the National Hockey League. And why? - Oh boy, there's a lot of different. - Detroit, 'cause you're home. Like Detroit, you like your home. - Yeah, there's a lot of different layers to that one, P.D. - Yep. - It's always great to go to Detroit because, you know, I'm from Michigan, fact I'm-- - Said no one ever. - Fact I'm kidding, sorry, Detroitians. - That we're back at our summer place in Western Michigan, about three hours from Detroit, right on Lake Michigan. We'd come back here in the summer. So I love Michigan. And going into Detroit for the first time and broadcasting at the old Joel Lewis. - Oh my goodness, yeah. - Thrill, that was for me. The guy from Little Muskegon, Michigan, who grew up loving the wings and getting up to me to broadcast there was really special. - That's awesome. - And my first time in New York, I mean-- - Oh, MSG, yeah. - I had never been to New York City until my first time with the coyotes back in 2005. And going into MSG and just the history of that arena and all the events that were there. And, you know, it was wonderful to broadcast games there and I get goosebumps, I should say. Still, every time I go into MSG. And New York is just the first word that I thought of when I got into New York for the first time was overwhelming. - Yeah. - I mean, there's just so many things to do, so many restaurants, so many lights, so many tall buildings. So New York has to be up there, Chicago, even though I had been to Chicago many times 'cause the place where I'm from in Michigan is just around the bottom of Lake Michigan to Chicago, so it's about a three hour drive to Chicago, but you can't beat Chicago for the great restaurants that they have there. And, you know, as you said, Vancouver, wonderful, beautiful scenery, you know, we go to our favorite places there. - There we go, we've got to talk about it 'cause my favorite restaurant in the National High Company, I bring it up all the time, no free ads or sales guys says, but Carderos, Carderos in the water, my favorite restaurant in the National League. - Yeah. - I was going to Carderos. - Oh, me too, the plank salmon that they have is unbelievable. - Yeah, that's it, that's it, there we go. We'll just, again, I'll just write 'em and see if they can join up for our advertising. - That's part of what we do, Bob, we travel around and eat, and if anyone, I remember for you and your broadcast partner, Lou Dobrosk, was the one in San Jose. It was the one in San Jose called. - Well, now it's the, - It was a big, that big portion, it was some big giant, it was a walking distance from the hotel, and the broadcasters, I mean, Lou specifically, I always had to go there 'cause the portions were huge. Do you remember what the restaurant was? I can't remember. - Oh, original Joe's, original Joe's. - I thought about the arena. - No, no, original Joe's, good grief, and I went there once, and the portions were bigger than my plate, and I said, no, this is not for me, but Lou's like, hey, gotta get, like, he blew me. It was, it was multiple to start the water, but we were landing on the plane to get the original Joe's. - Louie indoctrinated me to original Joe's 'cause he had been there when he played. - Yeah. - That became my favorite restaurant. I mean, the chicken parm, there's unbelievable, and they have great steaks and prime rib, I remember Lou used to get prime rib. - Louie. - I went there with Louie and Rick Tockett, when Tock was an assistant coach, and all three of us got the prime rib special, they were about as big as our heads. - Yes, they were. - And the original Joe's is probably the favorite restaurant, and I still go there, so this day, whenever we go to San Jose, even if it's a quick in and out, I still try to get to original Joe's, Tice the Nash likes to go there for breakfast. I've never been there for breakfast, but. - I imagine it's amazing. - Nashor loves the breakfast there, but yeah, original Joe's is probably my favorite restaurant. Carmine's in Chicago. - Could you have very good downstairs, yeah. - Yeah. - Why are they up there? - That's outstanding, and obviously, Cardero's we talked about, and I remember when Sean Burke was coaching with the team, Berkeley would be playing guitar. If you stayed there long enough, Berkeley would be up on the stage, playing guitar, and singing a little bit, some great times, Petey, and you know, those are our memories that will be with us forever, you know? - Yeah. - No matter if there aren't any coyotes anymore, at least for the present time, it will always have those memories of times together in different cities, and you as coaches will have your memories, I'll have mine with my broadcast partners and TV people, and obviously, you know, interactions with the players, interactions with you guys as a coaching staff, and just so many great years in the Valley, in the state of Arizona, for NHL hockey, and I know we're going off in a little different direction here, but you know, I'm confident the NHL will come back and the fans deserve it, and I think that it will happen, and now let's hopefully it's sooner rather than later. - I agree with you, Bob, on all of those things, but I'm going to get back to one thing, and I had to be remiss if I didn't mention this, and this is, you're not going to be happy with this next episode, so we've talked a lot, and I actually mentioned this on the show once, but I need to call you out. We've already talked about how fastidious you are with your preparation, like you prepare like no other, and I will say your chicken scratch is so small, like you write, like, everything Bob does is handwritten, and it's extremely small, but extremely detailed, but Bob, also, if he's awake, he's working. It's just a fact of life, and on the Coyote's charter plane, the way the seats are arranged, the coaches are up front, then it's the training staff, I medical guys, trainers, then it's the media, and then it's followed up by the players in the very back of the plane. Well, Bob, he has four years set directly behind head equipment manager, Stan Wilson. Now, Stan, listen to my most beloved friends in the hockey business, and Stan works hard. Stan, like, I'm not saying we don't work hard, Bob, but nobody works harder than Stan. Like, their hours are ridiculous, and the physical toll it takes on them, and they sleep when they can't, because they work literally around the clock, so we get on a plane after a game, a three, four-hour flight, and as I mentioned, if Bob's awake, he's working, and he sits right behind Stan, and they don't have the lights out on the plane, but there's always one light on, and the plane always won, but it's Bob's, and Bob's reading light is on, well, Stan's got his seat lean back trying to sleep, and he is so kind. Stan would never say anything to Bob, never, ever, but he cursed Bob under his breath for three years to win the damn Bob. The game's up for three days. Just wait till tomorrow and do it tomorrow in the hotel, but Bob, again, I have to say that to Stan, Stan, I'm sorry, Stan, I never got him to turn that light off. I tried, a couple of times I went up back and said, Bob, get a book light, look, do something. So anyway, I'd be remiss if I didn't, and Stan never said anything to you, did he? - No, he didn't, and that's why I kept the light on all the time, 'cause I didn't think that it was a big deal for Stan, but now I feel awful. - It was years, Bob, years, and all I'm doing this, I've got it, the other one, the other one, and this will be the PR guys, and Bob and I both suffer from anxiety. We'll do it, it's work anxiety, and that's what mine is. If I've got a task to complete it, work, I want to make sure I complete it on time and complete it properly, and Bob's exactly the same way. And we talked about Bob on the road, Bob has to do the coaches interview, and the coaches interview is harder, because you'd like to do it at the rink after the morning skate, but sometimes there isn't one skate, or the morning skate ran tight, or the coach got busy with meeting with players, and you couldn't get the coaches there to be done at the arena like he would like to, so it hadn't done at the hotel. And when Bob he'd always had to do a coaches meeting at the hotel buddy, the stress was immense. So the best is pulling up to the hotel, and Bob's probably the fourth row back on the right, 'cause I was the third or fourth row back on the left, and Bob was, he was bouncing, like the coach's in the front seat, coach is the front seat, coach is the first one off the bus, and he could be the first one on the meal, and Bob has to catch him because Bob needs the interview. He's got to get a tape prepped, edited, and ready for the night. That, it got to the point that it was such a joke for everybody in those two, three, and four, that, hey, Bob is coming, everybody stays seated, 'cause Bob's got to get to the coach, before the coach's feet hit the tarmac, Bob's, hey, coach, you got a few minutes, and the stress, you must have felt that Bob, what was that experience pulling up to a hotel internally? What did that feel like for you? - It was stressful, P.D, and my biggest thoughts and worry was trying to get this big body off the bus and catch the coach. - Put the bad knee, you have the bad knee, and you got to get off. - You were always so kind because you stayed in your seat, you said, go ahead, Bob, 'cause you knew what had to do, and the coaches of us are hard, so they're not thinking about doing an interview either, they're thinking about the game, they're thinking about getting to have their meal and then doing whatever they do, and you can say to them at the arena, okay, we don't have time to do this now, can we do it at the hotel, and everyone says, oh yeah, yeah, no problem, we get off the bus. Well, by the time we went from the arena to the hotel, they forgot, so they get off that bus and they're going, and I am going as fast as I can to trail them, and as they're heading into the media room to the lunchroom, I should say, for their meal, they always have to call out to them and say, so-and-so, so-and-so. Got a few minutes, still want to do this, and to their credit, they always did it, they always made time to do those interviews, but there were times when, certainly I had to chase them down, and there were several times when I thought it wasn't going to happen, one time I interviewed Rick Talkin' in the hotel gym. - Yeah, I believe it, 'cause that's what he'd had, right when we planned, the bats would pull up, or they were first, and then meal after, and it's funny though, Bob, it's funny, because I want to say this for all of those PR guys, one unbelievable job, and I'm gonna go Rich Nair, and Rick Bronstein, got Chris Roge, Greg Diller, Jeffrey Sanders, and I hope, did I forget anybody? I hope I didn't, because all of them had to, that was, I want to say this, and it's a question they've always asked, Bob, have you ever missed or was a coach not available for, the coaches pre-game show? In the National Hockey League. - I don't think so, Peteie. - Yeah, I don't think so either, Bob, that was, that was almost rhetorical, 'cause I don't think you ever missed it, and that's what we'd say of the best of all, he's never missed it, they're gonna get the interview, and we gotta look and plop again, and I'm a little too cheap, but I understand the anxiety. I completely do because that's exactly how I am with my job, and that's what makes you the pro that you are. Bob, we've talked almost an hour here, and this was gonna be a 20-minute interview, and I could honestly go for another hour, but something we always do here on Fridays, and this is how we're gonna wrap this up. First of all, Bob, this has been amazing, and I think we will have to talk more stories. I hope you agree to do this again later in the off-season, but one of the things we do on Fridays, and our listeners know, it's we have a bit that we call the weekend binge, and what the weekend binge is, Bob, is we try to advise people and give people recommendations for something to watch on television or a movie, whether it's a streaming show that you're watching, that you're watching on Netflix or Hulu or any of those, or if it's a movie you've seen recently, or you can even go to one of your favorite series, but people are looking for advice on the weekend, and I know the Olympics are going on, so that's mine, so I'll give you my weekend binge. I'm watching Olympics from now until the end on Sunday, but is there anything, Bob, that you are either currently watching, have watched, wanna watch, a movie, TV related, that you can throw out there for our listeners for a weekend binge? - Certainly, I'll second the Olympics watching, Peter. I've heard since I was a kid, I always enjoy the Olympics, so I've been watching, but I watch a lot of shows that are streaming on the different venues. - Really? - Oh, yeah, and trying to think of... What's your go-to right now? Like, once this interview's over and I go, gosh, I gotta catch up on the latest, is it Love Island UK? Like, Leah, I would guess not. No, Bachelor? - No. - No, I'm not those. - There's a show on Apple+ called That Presumed Innocent. - Ooh. - Wearing Jake Gyllenhaal. - Armed, have you got to the end yet? - I have. - Oh, my goodness, don't give it away. Did not see how it coming, I want a show. We haven't talked about presumed innocent yet, but that's a good, buddy, that, like, edge of your seat. Every episode, you finally get calmed down, and you go, "Okay, everything's fine." And then that last 30 seconds, they nail you with something new, and you go, "Oh, my goodness." They did, what a good show. See, Bob, you and I, maybe you do need to compare notes. - Well, I think so. - About their two watching. - I like Bosch. Have you ever seen that? - Yep, Bosch, Bosch on, is that Amazon Prime, I believe? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's right. - Yes, it is. It is Amazon Prime. - I'm gonna be on to Britbox, Bob. - So, Britbox is my go-to. I get on to Britbox. - Really? - Oh, Britbox, we'll talk offline about Britbox. It's all these British detective shows in, oh, it's unbelievable. Yeah, it's my favorite streaming service, it's unbelievable. - And then there's one PD that I'm watching right now, and it actually aired, it was a series on NBC, and it aired way back in the early 2000s, but obviously us hockey guys are kind of busy to watch live TV back then, and it's Las Vegas. - Did you ever see the series call that? - Yeah, yeah, it was kind of a detective show. James Cahn. - James Cahn was darn good at it. - The Dummell, yeah. - Just getting into that now, I think I'll watch the first two seasons in season three, and that kind of holds my interest. - Yeah, they need Jimmy O'Neill working at that casino. - Yeah. - And Jimmy in security, a lot of things happening in our Las Vegas casino, but we did not know about it. And lastly, Bob, speaking of Vegas, I remember like, you talked about some of the great arenas that you've called games in your Madison Square Garden, what a wonderful experience, and Joel Lewis, what a wonderful experience. I remember one time, Bob and I went to Vegas for a rookie tournament in Vegas, and they had it at Vegas's equivalent of the Ice Den, well, it was the first year of the Vegas Golden Knights, and they had more, it's a practice rink. They don't have a radio gondola. Bob, can you tell us where they want it? You didn't call the game from there, but where did they want you to call the game from? - As you said, PD, you know, that was a practice rink for the Golden Knights, and it was 2017, actually 2018. It was a year after their first inaugural season, and the rookie tournament was there, and we get there, and so I asked someone, okay, where's our vantage point? And they point to a ladder, and there's a ladder that-- - It's not just a ladder. This is a ladder that's probably close to 25, 30 feet tall, up to a perch in between the benches, a kind of a makeshift stand there that that's where they had a table, and that's where the broadcasters were gonna broadcast the games, and it was a great vantage point, I guess, 'cause I never saw it, because climbing up that ladder was just a little too intimidating for me. At that time, I had not had both knees replaced, so my knees were bad, and anybody that knows me knows I'm a bit of a full-figured guy to put it quietly, and so maybe climbing 30-foot ladders is not the best option for me, so after a while, there was a lot of thought put into where Bob would broadcast the games from, so I ended up doing it between the benches, right, on ice level. - I'm not a great vantage point for a radio call. - You couldn't see much in the corners, and guys would be flying by it, like, it mocked me. - That's awful, Bob. We were laughing so, and no, and like, just don't take a throw, I'm afraid of heights, I couldn't have done it, I couldn't have got that ladder, but we're not talking like a six-foot or nine foot, this is the 30-foot, extendable ladder onto a wooden platform with your equipment, and your microphone and your headset, like, there's no earthy way you or I could have climbed up and then, I remember, I was sitting with the equipment guy, and we were laughing, like, "How the hell is Bob gonna do it?" And we were so mad, and it was just like, "But I have to admit, you got, you pulled it off, "and you got the call done, "and you were able to get through it, "and did a wonderful job as always, "whether you could see the game or not." It was a great call. - That's right. And I'll just make it up, right? - Yeah, that's right, Bob, you didn't-- - Except we couldn't, though, because that was kind of stream. - You know what I am, and when it couldn't be harder, because it's all the rookie tournament, you don't know these guys yet, so you're still learning names. Oh, Bob, we didn't even get into half the stuff I wanted to get into, and that's part of my notes, just like we talked about, but I will you sincerely, Bob, thank you so much for taking the time, and being there for, you know, Flynn, mentor, whatever you want to call it. I sincerely appreciate it, I want to say thank you, and thanks so much for taking the time out today to join the show. - Petey, my pleasure, and you know, I've always thought so much of you, thank you so much for being so good to me when you were the video coach, I remember, you always gave me the scoops about who's in the lineup, who wasn't-- - I don't tell the general managers that now. - I think the look for, with the opposition, and you really provided a lot of help for me and my broadcast, and I always tried to reciprocate a little bit, I always tried to get scoops from the other team and tell you who's out of the lineup for what guys just up in the minors. - One pack. - What's that? - We were always one pack, Bob, we were all together, we all were trying to get to the same goal. - But you helped me so much, Petey, and helped me learn the game more from a coach's standpoint, so I really thank you for that, and it was always so great working with you, and you know, it didn't really get to focus on it much, but again, I have to apologize to Stan Wilson, because-- - Yeah, I'm gonna tell him that story today, too. - I never knew that it was such a bother, 'cause I guess I'm just dense. - You know, you get lost in your room, Bob, you're working. - Yeah, you're working. - You know, a lot of times, you know, I had to get that work done, and there was, if it was maybe a back-to-back, or maybe one day in between, and I was just driven to do that, but unfortunately it was tunnel vision, and didn't have any awareness of the surroundings, and poor Stan was trying to sleep, so I just wish you would have mentioned something, 'cause I would have tried something different. - I did 15 years too late, and I'm throwing it out there for you, Bob. But no, again, I certainly didn't want to, you know, inconvenience Stan at all, because he is the hardest working guy, and he needed to sleep, and I guess it's not a wonder, PD, when we switched carriers and the different planes, Stan and the rest of his trainers were actually back. - It didn't sit by you anymore. - Yeah, it didn't sit by Bob anymore. That is a very true strain, Bob. I know we kind of, the elephant in one of the things we didn't talk about, and we're not gonna talk about today, is what the future holds, 'cause so much is up in the air as this team has moved on to Salt Lake City, so we'll maybe talk about that as the summer goes on. Thanks again for your time, Bob. Thanks everybody for tuning in and listening. This show is really important for me today. This was a lot of the stories that I wanted to tell. Make sure you continue to tune in and subscribe wherever your podcast of the PHNX Hockey Show. Follow us on our social media, that's PHNX_Coyles. 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