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Tough Love

This week’s podcast is presented by Stephen and Jacqueline.

We hear from:

· Tracy, who is talking about the Grundys’ finances and has hopes for the downfall of George,

· Love Jazzers Singing who calls whilst on a dog walk;

· Chloe, a first time callerinerer who is a second generation Dumteedummer;

· Globe-Trotting Richard, who is impressed by this week's acting and the script writers.

· Carolynne, from Ottawa, a first time callerinerer, who agrees with Susan's tough love.

· Gillian, who has great sound this week;

· Christine from Kilcreggan who gives us a topical insert;

· Witherspoon, who has enjoyed this week in Ambridge, even Harry;

· And finally Paul from Olney, who remembers a previous tree surgery storyline.

Plus: we have the Week in Ambridge by Suey, a roundup of the Dumteedum Facebook group from Witherspoon and the Tweets of the Week from Theo.

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Duration:: 1h 6m
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Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. This is Don't do that. This is Don't do that. A weekly podcast about the arches and the goings on of Ambridge. I'm Jacqueline Berto, who always clears the drop zone. And I'm Stephen Bowden, who has never seen so many farmers in one place. And then there's you, our lovely Dumpty Dumbers, who are all off with Jolene casting your votes this week. Welcome to Dumpty Dum. A place to talk about the things that are happening in our favorite boss at Chavillage. This week's scripts were written by Sarah McDonald's Hughes, and she handled the latest development in the Ali storyline absolutely brilliantly. Coming up, we have nine lovely calls from. Tracy, who's talking about the Gondes finances and has hopes for the downfall of George. Love Jazz's singing, who calls while on a dog walk. Chloe, a first-time choronora, who is a second-generation Dumpty Dumber. Globe-throting Richard, who is impressed by this week's acting and the script writers. Caroline from Ottawa, a first-time choronora, who agrees with Susan's tough love. Gillian, who has great sound this week. Christine from Kilkegen, who gives us a topical insert. With a spoon, who has enjoyed this week in Ambridge, even Harry. And finally, Paul from Olney, who remembers a previous tree surgery storyline. Plus, we've got the Week in Ambridge by our Sui, a round-up of the Dumpty Dum Facebook group with a spoon and the Tweets of the Week from Theo. Before we start talking too much, let's remind ourselves of exactly what happened in the last seven days. With a round-up of the Week in Ambridge from Sui. Hello, my people, there's Sui Queen on top here, and a round-up of this week in Ambridge. We need to talk about Alice over and over and over again this week, people have talked about Alice. Just talk about what else happened this week then. Chris and Harrison had a falling-out over the cricket and a run-out, but it was sold with a vague apology in the point. Chris put it out there that there might have been someone else in the car, one Harry Chillcott. It's about time we got to hear his jolly tones again. Chris ambushed Harry at the Bortchester Young Horse Championship, and it turned out Enie Booker all about the crush even. He says he didn't know Alice was drinking again. Just an Elliot demonstrated that it is a bit of a bastard. For the first time, by getting a little grange to prune a tree and then storming out to say that Ed and Emma were doing it wrong. This was all to exert himself and pontificate to get Emma to remove her rather dodgy review of the stables. Paul and Josh patted themselves on the back for a good pride parade. Lily apparently managed to find the only straight guy in the club and then hooked up with him. Dear dear. Paul and Etienne are supposed to be going off for couple's therapy, but Etienne didn't bother to turn up. Paul and Josh seemed on the verge of a snog. Later, after the therapy session as a disaster, Paul met up with his dad and it was much male bonding and manly jotting. Some of it with Josh. Justin was a conniving bastard, number two, by lying to Lillian, then turning up to Alice's doorstep and trying to persuade her to resign as they have a new replacement manager. Lillian was supremely just chuffed when she found out. Not unreasonably so. Ed and Emma had a tree job near Bartleby's new home. On the biggest tree they've worked on to date, ten metres up. George went along to see Bartleby and was happy with his new home, but he doesn't want to talk about the future, because he'll be in prison, hopefully. And then, everyone tried to sort out Alice, including Alice. Brian has been trying to get her into a rehab place. Harry came over and gave her a pep talk about how great rehab is, such levels of hypocrisy. Lillian and Adam had a long chat to try and fix her. Lillian says when Jennifer died, she said she'd be there for the children, but she doesn't feel like she has been. Me client to agree with you, Lillian. George sounded like he might be about to confess to Alice, but he didn't. Nobody would sell her a drink, so she snatched a bottle of wine out of the pub. She went to the shop and Susan wouldn't serve her, but later on gave her what for and said she would lose Martha as she carried on like this. It seems she'd really done the trick, and Alice hoped Susan and said thanks on her way to rehab. Let's all cross our fingers for it and hope that you all have a most excellent week. Let's talk to you next week. Thank you for that, Sui. Great that you found all the other stories, apart from just the Alice story. Very interesting roundup. So, Stephen, how's your week been? You may have noticed we had an election this week. Yes, I'm the mid elections at the moment. Yes. I didn't stay up all night because I had an early train into London on Friday morning, but I stayed up until we had the initial exit poll and then I took a couple of hours' sleep, and then I stayed up to see more of the results come in as I usually do for elections. So, I was pretty washed out on Friday and exhausted by the time I got back from London, and I think I've just about recovered in time to do this podcast. But if I fall asleep during the podcast, you'll know why. Yes, I was quite understanding. More or less in the same position here had an election on Sunday, and I was returning officer and returning officer again for a sanguine on this coming Sunday. So, that means that my days are quite, my Sunday is quite long and totally cut up with having to be on call, if anything happens, if there's any incident, but also having to be there before opening and for the count. It's also an anxious time for us here, we're very anxious about it. The British elections in the middle has really just kind of made my whole week. It discombobulated is how I feel. So, this could be a very poor podcast, apart from the fact that we've got such a lot of lovely collars. And let's have the first of those, which is going to be Tracy from California. Hello, I'm Grace from California here. Okay, excuse me, always being weird or if you hear me sniffling because I have good old COVID. Anyway, I am thinking about the whole Bartleby money and the Grundy's being like, what should we do with the money? We should do something in honor of Joe. And I'm like, why didn't anybody say savings? Maybe we can save it, or maybe we can invest it. You know, this is the most like hand to mouth living, paycheck to paycheck, gig to gig, working family ever. Why not figure out how they might use this money to support their long-term stability? And sure, it's not a lot of money, but it's enough to get started in a way and build some sort of plan anyway. So that's just one thought there. I think that whole thing is pretty stupid. And then for the, with the, what's his name? Oh, the one everybody hates. What's his name? George. I'm hoping that he was making a final Bartleby video and forgot and left his video recorder going. And it picks up his confession to Bartleby because he just said that he basically told Bartleby. So he picks up the confession to Bartleby about the whole accident. And then he makes a mistake and posts it. And even though I know it's probably not going to happen because post-production, I can hope. But I like that idea of him messing up and telling on himself. And in a way that it can't be erased because now people are sharing it. So no matter what he does, it's going viral and that's what it gets known for. That would be fantastic. And then they all get the Bartleby video in the village. So anyway, those are my thoughts. Thank you for that call, Tracy. And I'm really sorry to hear that you've got COVID. I hope that it's not too bad a dose and that you're pulling through and who knows. Maybe by now you're out of the worst of it and recovering well. I think the reason why the grundies haven't talked about investing or saving the money they get from the sale of Bartleby is simply because they're the grundies and that's just not what they do. It would have to be split, I think, ten ways anyway. Because I think there were ten of them who ended up voting on what should happen to Bartleby whether he should be sold or not. And I think that once you get that down to £150 each, it does look a bit of a small amount of money. And yes, they could stick it in the savings account. But it just doesn't seem to be the way that they work and who knows they probably don't have a savings account between them. Maybe most of them have got current accounts but not much more than that. So I just think that it's quite unlikely that they would do that and investing it in something not with a financial return but with an emotional return relating to Joe feels more appropriate in some ways. So I'm not surprised that they haven't made that choice. But it just isn't the way that the grundies operate. What about George and how he might incriminate himself? Yes, that's quite interesting. There's quite a lot on the social media about how George is going to incriminate himself. And in fact, they did read something on our Facebook page. Someone who suggested that he's there chatting away to Bartleby. Surrounded by famous X-race horses, surely there's CCTV, catching sounds and things like that. This is when we need Jen at Ambridge Pony Club to come back to us and tell us because when I visited her at the Irish studs last summer, there were a lot of very, very famous horses hanging around and they were well covered by CCTV and other security measures. Yeah, maybe he will be caught. I can't see it. I think it's going to come from him. I don't think it's going to be an accidental catching out of him. It's going to come from him or come from Chris and his investigations. I think it might come from Alice, who's gradually beginning to remember things. Yeah. Perhaps she will remember enough that some questions will be raised at her trial because all she has to do is persuade the jury that there is reasonable doubt that she didn't drive at the time. And then that might be enough that when George is questioned, he might be asked, did you find her in the driver's seat or in the passenger seat or something like that? We shall see. I think the top of the CCTV theories is that most CCTV systems like that don't have sound. Ah, well there you are then. We've got sound on our one. That's why I suppose only if you open the app. Anyway, that's beside the point. But Tracy, I'm really sorry that you've got COVID. You are not alone. There's quite a lot of people with COVID. I always keep wondering whether COVID will come to Ambridge. Yes. It hasn't really done so apart from Hazel with a long COVID. Yeah, true. But you never know. Next up, we have Love Jazz is Singing. Love Jazz is singing here on a dog walk. This thing to the birdies is a chiff-chaff and a black cap singing to me. I know that because I've got this terrific bird at. The Bartleby's story now, and I don't really understand. I always feel like a mention of Bartleby is one of the things that gets dropped into the archers that links back the sort of modern, slightly east-endest version of the archers that we have now with the old time archers, you know how it used to be. I feel like he's one of the things that reminds us of where the archers came from. So I don't know why he's getting taken away. I wonder if there's a reason. I'm very curious about that. I wonder if the lovely woman who's taking ownership of him is really sort of the child catcher. We'll find out the Harrison and, oh God, Chris, I always get the muddled up plot line. Oh my gosh, once they're in the pub and they're examining the evidence, I couldn't have loved that more. Absolutely loved it. It's exactly the same format as the sort of Scandi Noir cop things, isn't it? Two cops in a car with cups of coffee, batting the evidence back and forwards. And yeah, I felt like whoever wrote that was obviously. And the viewer of those kind of Netflix cop things, and yeah, plenty more of that. Cannot wait for that or to come out. And I actually think it's been really well done. I know there's a lot of pushback and people on Facebook saying they're not sure. But I think the setup with the bridge was great and I'm really enjoying it or sort of coming to a head. And I'm super engaged with the program at the moment. So kudos to the writing team. I love this call. Thank you very, very much. Loves just as singing for good cooking. And they could have been a call from me because I listened to the previous evenings, which is on a morning walk with the dogs. And this week, I've had a lot of Skylarks. We don't get them for all the summer, but it's a season, it's definitely seasonal. So yeah, Skylarks. Allowets, they are here. The battle is storyline. I've wondered whether it was a closing of the door on a metaphor for the olden days. Because in fact, none of the older characters are speaking. None of the, or they've already passed on. I think it's probably been one of the older characters. It's now leaving the young, we don't hear from Jill. We're leaving the younger, the next generation, who of course are our age. So they're getting onto their retirement ages as well. David and Ruth and Tony and Pat. And it's getting to the point where they're all getting beyond working years that's put it like that. Of course, farmers never stopped working and neither does Lillian apparently. But yeah, I feel like Bartleby is the end of an era, definitely. And then that goes back to Tracy's call because to mark the leaving of Bartleby by doing something for, in Joe's memory, I think he's very relevant and he's very well into the mood of the moment. Yes, Scandy Noa Steven. Do you like Scandy Noa? I do like Scandy Noa, yes. But I can't really imagine either Chris or Harrison or Sugg and the Ren from the Bridge. Oh, no, no. In fact, there's a detective in the Valhalla murders, which is always a bit, it's been a weird one. It's definitely Noa. But there's a detective that sometimes when I hear Harrison bumbling around, I think of that detective. I can't remember his name right now. But is that the one setting involving a children's home? No, or Valhalla. Is Valhalla a children's home in general? Yes, yes, you think? I think you're right. Yeah, it is. There was a guy, the detective, the guy was very remiss in his follow-ups and everything. And in fact, it all came as a surprise to. I don't know if it's still on Netflix because I watched it quite a few years ago now. But we don't have the same things on Netflix here as you do in the UK or people in the States do, either. It could be worse, it must be one of these French policeiers like Angranage with everybody shouting "Poutin" at everybody else. Exactly. It's the best word ever. They certainly use it enough in Angranage. It's a cover-all swear word. In fact, my daughter's boyfriend, when he first came here, would say it quite a lot. We've managed to ease him out of that because from the banuille of breast, he's now turned into a sanguine where we don't say it. A sanguine. Right, our next call is from Loey. Hey, Stephen, Jacqueline, and Dumpty Dummers everywhere. This is Chloe from London. I am just calling in after having recently watched a really interesting Netflix documentary called Car Crash, Who's Lying. And in it, there's a car crash with a bunch of boys and there's differing stories in terms of who caused it and who was driving at the time of the crash. And in order for the police to figure it out, they did a seatbelt analysis of the fibers on the seatbelt so they could then match it back to what the boys were wearing that day in order to determine who was driving. After watching, though, and listening to the Alice storyline, I'm wondering if this could be a way for them to wrap up the story, especially with Chris obviously being a little bit skeptical about what has happened, asking more questions, especially about the cider that was in the car. So who knows, I guess, maybe we'll find out in the near future. But thanks for everything you do. Love the podcast. And hello to my mother, who's a Dumpty Dum listener. Thank you for calling Chloe, and I meant to say, as we said at the beginning, you're a first time caller in or and we always liked having new caller in or us to join us and to contribute to the discussion. Yes, I think there is still plenty of mileage to come in the story of that car crash. The key with forensic evidence is to actually go and look for it because it's quite expensive to do the sort of forensics that you're talking about, fiber analysis on seats belts, fingerprints on bottles or cans of fruit cider should be a bit more straightforward, though. But again, unless they're looking for a reason, there was somebody else in the car, there's no reason to think that they would have done any of that forensic work. They've got an open and shut case of a drunk driver. Why would they waste everybody's time looking for forensic evidence of stuff that might well not be there? So I think the thing that is going to make the difference is Alice remembering that there was somebody else in the car with her, she said we towards the end of the week. Even though Adam is trying to shut her down, Harrison isn't really interested, they think they've got their man or woman in this case and aren't looking for anybody else. Once that's opened up, it has the potential simply because the defence lawyer will raise it as a way of raising doubt within the minds of the jurors. If you haven't answered these forensic questions, how can you possibly say beyond a reasonable doubt that there wasn't somebody else in the car? So once the defence start raising these points, then the police will need to go back and look for more evidence. Then they might start to find something. And I think the side of can is the key thing. I think I've said that all along. Yeah. The defendant, anything is going to shock George. It will be the fact that there's a side of can that Joy will remember selling it to George. His fingerprints might well be on it. And he might be claiming that he had it with him and that he must have dropped it when he found Alice in the car. But it wouldn't be in the car if he didn't find her until after he rescued people because he certainly wouldn't have been carrying it in one hand while rescuing people from the running car. I think there is definitely marriage in there somewhere. I think fibres from the safety doubts might be a step too far, but forensics definitely. I think you are very good at Cluedo as maybe still play Cluedo, Stephen. Yeah. Welcome, Tony. Great to have a first-time cholera. I love the fact that your mum is a dumpty-dum listener as well. Welcome to you and hello to your mum. Our next call is definitely not a first-time cholera. He's one of our most regular cholas and it's glo-trotting Richard. And I'm not sure where he's calling from this week. I'm sure he will tell us. Richard, according in from Madrid, Wednesday evening, fantastic outing from all sides in the Harry, Alice, family of Alice, dramas. Why does he get across roughly the amount of damage having to deal with someone with addiction? No one banged badly today. I thought it was really, really compelling and great acting, so congrats to all the people responsible for making that happen. There's script writers that are not moving on to more trivial subjects. I found in previously about curriculum gaps in the British Business School, one school of business, that yet again, the lack of knowledge of simple business procedures, like an order confirmation come flaring up. I think it happened in Fallon's Cake or was it her wedding booking, but whether you're a tree surgery or an undertaker or someone who makes rocket fuel in places and order, you send them a document describing what you think they've ordered and asked them to confirm it. This isn't rocket science. It's the Ladybug Book of Business and quite how they think they're going to carry on a business without that kind of knowledge. I don't know. And one would assume that might be taught on a tree surgery course, but maybe not. And it generally leads me to Myanmar. It's the 3rd of July as people ponder who to vote for. And of course, by the time you hear this, the voting will be long gone. It's not a great idea to be in a country where everyone believes that things are well to be seen. Yet, time after time, the people in charge don't know what they're doing or how to teach other people how to do what they're meant to be doing. I don't think Ambridge is a high-growth, technologically innovative part of the United Kingdom. So let's not hope it's a role model for the rest of the country, bye. Thank you for that, Richard, from Madrid. I think it's very hot in Madrid at the moment. Yeah, I agree with you. There's been some fantastic acting this week and writing. It's been very, very well-written and engaging, as love's just as the singing said. Very, very engaging the stories, although they've been quite hard. Yeah, the business, the Lady Bird Book of Business, that's exactly what it is. I think Justin went out to catch Emma out because of the bad review. Ed and Emma should not. It's not just about the tree surgery, it's about running a business. So I was assuming that Emma knew what she was doing about the running of the business side of it, but that's been swept under the table a bit. I don't think when they went on the tree surgery course, they've had any of the administration stuff done apart from the safety rules and safety certificates. Yes, I imagine it was designed for the people climbing up the trees, many of whom wouldn't actually be responsible for the business side of things. And at the moment, they're only responsible for some aspects of that because they're getting most of their work and they're subcontracted through, is he called Hank? Hank something, sounds like a country singer, Hank somebody, Hank? Yeah. Yeah, but this job with Justin was the one that they were doing on their own. Yeah, but why did, why did he call in, what was the favour that meant that he got the first hour free and then the rest of mates' rates? I think he was just doing it to give them the business. Yeah, typical Justin that, but somebody else talks about Justin in a while, so maybe we shouldn't talk about him too much now. But yeah, Richard, great call as always. Good to have an insight on somebody who obviously does know what's happening in business and how fantastical the business in Ambrage is operated. I suppose we just have to get used to it. Maybe. Richard won't. Next up, we have another first-time caller in a row. Hello, my name is Carolyn and I am a first-time caller calling from Ottawa, Canada. I'm standing down by the Ottawa River and there's a bunch of birds in the background, so excuse the crows. I am calling in because I wanted to talk about Thursday's episode, the episode where Susan speaks quite tough love inspired to Alice. I know that on the Facebook group there have been some mixed opinions about whether or not the way that Susan spoke to Alice was maybe too harsh or too serious, but I actually found it incredibly inspiring. And I look forward to seeing actually how it affects the storyline and how it affects Alice. I found the one line that Susan said around when she gave birth to Chris and realized that it was now her responsibility to stay alive. It brought tears to my eyes as somebody who has battled depression and moved through periods of suicidal ideation, but who is now currently I'm going through a good period of my life. I have a lot of support and my partner and I are going through the process of trying to have a baby. I found that one line really, really inspiring and I feel like I learned a lot from that one line of going, yeah, of course, as the mother, it is your responsibility for your children to do as much as you can to remain as healthy as possible. So, yeah, I continue to learn from listening to the edges and I really appreciated that and I actually look forward to hearing other people's thoughts on that. So, thank you so much, has a good rest of your day. Thank you for that call, Carolyn, and welcome to Dumpty Dum. I've been to Ottawa several times, so I know the middle of the town fairly well. I'm not sure whereabouts on the Ottawa River you would have been. I've walked along the sum bits of the river and there's a canal in the middle of town as well that takes you down to it. And I've been there and tended to stay in a hotel fairly near that part of town. Susan's remarks about Christopher reminded me that actually her first few weeks with Christopher were very, very difficult. He was born with a hair lip and she just couldn't bond with him at all. And so she was utterly miserable and depressed about the fact that she just wasn't bonding with this child and Neil was worried. And then a herd of piglets escaped, I think it was, and Christopher was caught in the middle of it and Susan was absolutely terrified about what might happen to him and dived in and rescued him. And that was when everything changed and I suspect it was after that incident that she had the feeling that she described about needing to stay alive for him because she'd nearly lost him when she was thought that he was about to die. And it just completely changed the views of him. It was a very memorable moment in the series, one that's certainly stuck with me and I think probably stuck with you. Yeah, indeed. A very emotional time. I had recently had a baby myself when Susan had Christopher and yeah, I found it. In fact, this whole, the whole conversation with Alice and Susan this week, I found it really, really hard to listen to. Well written, beautifully acted, but it is so close to the truth. Exactly what Susan said about it being her, Jenny not being there, and what her mother should have said to her, would have said to her. I've been there, been that place, you feel like a complete and utter heel, but a real awful for not being empathetic with your child but wanting to get across to them how serious the position is and what they're putting at risk. Very, very difficult. And Susan, she may not have been coming from the right place because part of it is about her bitterness about the fact that she's been drawn into and is tired from looking after Martha. Her bitterness about the oldridges and the fact that they have money is a very, is a very well written and true to life scenario. And I was very glad that it's been said to Alice, but it didn't make it an easy to listen to. No, and I think with the spoon says a bit more about this in his core, which we'll get to in a bit. But as we know now, subsequent to Carolyn's call, Susan's tirade did have a very quick effect, it was the right effect. As you say, Jacqueline, it's not clear that Susan was coming at it with that in mind, but she has been incredibly frustrated by the situation that she has found herself in and that it has put Neil in over having to look after Martha and having to run around. Though, to be fair, Susan is very happy to insert herself into things, including the trip to see Harry and so forth. She's slightly building her own. She's making her own bed and then going to have to lie in it, but we saw what happened with that call. Yeah, yeah, she's, I think basically she's a good egg Susan, just she goes about things in a very strong, with a very strange attitude and a ship on her ship, no, a chip on her shoulder, which of course she's passed on to Emma. So if it had been Emma saying those things in an angry way rather than a frustrated way, it would have been a completely different message that came across. And it would not have worked. It would have probably had the opposite effect. Absolutely, exactly the same as it didn't work. Why is Alice, was Alice involved in a car crash because Brian had said something to her that really threw her off the edge. She bought alcohol and went and drank it and then the cold car scenario has come about. Oh, the whole breach scenario has come about. Caroline, it was brilliant to hear from you. I've never been to Ottawa, but it sounds lovely. And the great, I think it's probably not only our first time colouring her, but a first time colouring her, but our first time colouring her from Ottawa, I think as well. So there we go. So those are the first few calls. There are a few more to come. If you'd like to join in by calling us yourself, or dropping us a line by a message or email, Stephen is here to tell you how and all the details are also in the show notes. The first option is to record a message or a plot prediction by going to www.speakpipe.com/duntydum. Alternatively, you can send us a voice note or a written message via WhatsApp on 0781 012881. And if you're calling from outside the UK, that should of course start with your +44 and you drop the first zero. Please keep your call to a maximum of two minutes. Or finally, we have an email address you can contact us on if you'd rather write to us with your views. It's a maximum of 250 words, please, and the email address is duntydum@mail.com. 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He lied again to Gillian. He lied about going to Alice's because he said to Gillian that he had back-to-back meetings, but he didn't. He went to see Alice and he went to try and persuade her to resign from her job. And when she wouldn't resign, he then started to talk about that she used all the holiday, that she'd have to do statutory sick leave, and that he didn't know how long this could last. Additionally, in Justin's dealing with Emma and Ed, do you think that he really gave the correct instruction to Emma and that she misunderstood it? Or what do you think that he somehow confused that? Or maybe even gave her a different instruction and then used this opportunity to get her to take down her posts? He knew that Emma had done the posts. He could have just approached her and said, "I know that you've done these posts." But no, instead he had to basically blackmail her into it. And that seems like another piece of dishonesty. Justin just always seems to favour dishonesty, even when an honest approach would have been easier. Thanks for that, Gillian. Yeah, Justin. He's a very irritating character for me because I don't trust a word he says. And as you say, he could have been completely honest with Emma and gone to her and said, "I know it's you that made those posts. Can you take them down? It's whatever." A conversation with her, but no, he had to blackmail her. So, yeah, I agree with you. What is it with Justin? Do we not trust him? I know it says "thing" on the social medias, but I really do see him as Dick Dastardly twirling mustaches and Nasha behind him. But he can't even be honest with his partner. And that is really disturbing. I think he has ways of running businesses and Lillian has ways of running businesses and they're not quite aligned. So, the whole business is talking to Alice. Justin is in some ways he's in the right in terms of Alice going beyond what you would think of as being acceptable from an employee. And they have been very accommodating to her, letting her go off to London and so forth. All things that if she hadn't been a relative, she might well have been told, "No, you can't. You've either got to do the job and if you're not ever doing the job, you get the sack." However, much we may say, "Well, she's suffering an illness." And accommodation needs to be made. Small businesses aren't legally obliged to make accommodations for people with alcoholism as opposed to people with registered disabilities. So, there is that aspect to it. And he knows that Lillian will not treat Alice the way that he thinks an employee should be treated and everything flows from that. On the tree side of things, I didn't, because of the election, I think it's a chance to listen to that episode again. But as I remember it, they ended up with the instructions from Justin being exactly the same as Emma had quoted to him at the beginning of the conversation. So, it clearly was Justin either confusing himself or deliberately being difficult, and what they were doing had always been the right thing all along. Now, Richard said, "Yes, they should have got all that in right English." What Emma quoted to Justin, she should have sent to him just after receiving the instructions. But because of the informal nature of the booking and this whole mates' rates and so forth business, I'm not surprised that it didn't quite work out like that. Yes, they should treat every booking, even if it's come through informal channels, they should treat it formally. But it would have perhaps saved a row. But Justin would probably have found another pretext for rowing instead, because as you say, there was a motive about getting into the social media. Yes, she badmouthed the stables, and he was determined. We left last week, we ended with him saying, "I will deal with it." And he found his way of dealing with it. But both he and Lillian are now in the 70s running these businesses. Lillian's running too, because we heard her doing stuff at the stables and doing the bookkeeping at the pub this week, and obviously stepping in behind the bar when she can. They've got a new barman that's not been mentioned this week though, so we don't know anything about him. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to understand where Justin and Lillian are going in their relationship and in their business life, and the more and more that he lies, when we see him as a liar, I do not know why Lillian puts up with him. I suppose we have the whole Lillian, Justin, Brian, and Miranda quadrilateral too. Oh yes. To sort out, and that's still going on. So I suspect that part of the reason for having Justin around is to have that sort of delicious complication. It's the nuances. Yes, well, we'll see. We'll see. I still don't like him. Great actor. Don't like the character. Yes. Next up is Christine from Kilkreggum. Hello, Jacqueline and Stephen and all Dunty Dimmers. Christine from Kilkreggum here. I so much I could say about the current storylines, especially Alison Paul. However, I have a question. Who is a new MP for Borsettshire? I miss that declaration. Also, which Ambridge resident do we think should stand for Westminster, and which party would they represent? On a lighter note, I'm reviewing old Taggart episodes. If you haven't come across a curmudgeonly Glasgow detective, you are in front sheet. In series seven, episode two, you can see Michael Cochran, whom we know is all of her sterling. Thank you for the podcast. Speak to you soon. Bye. Thank you for that call, Christine. It's true. We haven't had much reference to the election this time around, apart from, I think, Jolene going out to vote. We did have quite a lot of detail back in 1997, and haven't been able to go back and actually listen to that episode. I'm unable to find the post-election topical insert episode on there. But I do remember that Borsettshire has its own MP, Felfechem has its own MP, and then there is a different MP for the constituency, the rural constituency that includes Ambridge. And it's always struck me that the situation there is very, very similar to where I live, where we have a Gloucester seat, we have a Cheltenham seat, and then we have a couple of rural ones. We have Tewkesbury just to the north of those two, and then we have North Cotswolds just to the south of those two. And I think in 1997, the seats in Gloucester and Cheltenham matched what happened to Borschester and to Felfechem, and Tewkesbury again matched what happened to the rural seat. So I think the same might be the case here, in which case, before the election, they would all have had conservative MPs, elected in 2019, if not earlier, and then after the election, Felfechem will have gone back to the Liberal Democrats. Borschester will have gone back to Labour. The big question is whether the rural seat, which I would imagine would be called South Borsettshire, would have gone Liberal Democrats like Tewkesbury did, quite surprisingly, or would have stayed conservative like North Cotswolds. But we never hear the name of the MP, or at least we haven't for a very long time, I'm not sure whether we ever did in the past. Quite possibly one or other of the MPs might have been one of Jack Woolley's mates, along with Mercedes Goodman and Sir Sidney Goodman, and that crowd at Gray Gables. But we certainly haven't had any in name as for a very long time. So we don't know who the person is. I know that people on Twitter refer to Sir Buffton Tuffton, but that's just a private eye joke that they've lifted across. And so it's not particularly original. But I think it would be interesting to know whether or not there was a change of MP. But it's difficult because even doing a topical insert, you still don't have to record that before you have a full idea of what's going on. Yeah, so if anybody in Ambridge, the question that Christine put to us was, if anybody in Ambridge was going to stand as an MP, in which party? Well, the one that's immediately sprung to mind for me was Cassie standing as a green. I wonder whether Emma might eventually stand as an MP. I mean, she had this run at the parish council. It's the place to start. The other people in the parish council, Neil, for instance, I think is to set in his ways to want to rise up beyond the parish council level. Not in Neil's character, is it at all? He's very happy in his world. The other person who might eventually is Josh. Now, Josh is interesting because we've heard from Josh quite a lot this week, after many months of only him dipping in occasionally. He is definitely a diplomat in his own little way. He also wants to go bigger and better. We've seen that from him really pushing David and Ruth about building a business and going, so maybe he can see beyond the bypass. Yeah, good thoughts about Josh. Yeah, of course, in the olden days, it would have been Freddie, who was taking on the seat. I can tell I've been reading pulled up this week. Yes, that would be a very long time ago that the politicians would have provided the local MP on a regular basis. But I think Josh would be a one-nation conservative because he's got that entrepreneurial spirit, but he certainly doesn't tend towards the use of the right-wing of conservative party. But who knows when there's going to be a one-nation part of the conservative party after this election? So he might feel that he was politically homeless and therefore wouldn't end up becoming an MP. Unless he became a liberal advocate. Hey, true. The other part of Chris's call was that she's been re-watching targets. I loved targets, but it's very dated. I watched a clip of a target, not that long ago. The only thing that I can remember about targets, but it was how he said murder has been a murder. Yes, and Taggot is one of these ones where they continued making it and calling it Taggot after the title character had died. The actor died, they didn't recast or anything. They just went on making it, calling it Taggot, at least with Morse. Yeah. When Morse disappeared, they called it Lewis. Yes, exactly. Yeah, but Taggot was, but it was of its cereal, wasn't it? A bit like the professionals. We laugh if you watch professionals now, but so dated and so, but still, it's good stuff. And yeah, I loved Taggot. In fact, I think that's why I first really, really enjoyed Rebus, because I could feel the commodually detective carrying on. Have you seen the new Rebus? No, I haven't seen it. I didn't see, in fact, I haven't told you about my crisis this week. I have a humax box, which is linked with satellite, which I can record British satellite. I can record British TV. Went to turn it on on Tuesday to watch the great British sewing bee. No signal. Something's gone wrong with my satellite. So I had to watch the election stuff on Thursday via my tablet, and BBC Live worked on my tablet without a VPN. So goodness that, some office junior pushed the wrong button again. And in Europe, we could watch BBC Live. So I don't tell my tablet off in case it went away. So I just left it on all the time. But yeah. You still haven't listened to laundry. Sorry, you still haven't watched the laundry week on the sewing bee. No, I haven't. I'm desperate to watch it. But my friend who lives in the next religious recorded it. So I'm probably going to go over there tomorrow afternoon and have a cup of tea with her and watch it. She said it was very interesting. And we are organic sewers, her and I, rather than structured sewers. Normally, we get a bit irritated by those kind of weeks when you have to be very pickety. But I know who's done, but I'm glad. Our next call is a sorry so many one again. Y'all know how this goes. ♪ Hey baby, I hear the blues are calling to salads ♪ ♪ That's scrambled eggs, sir ♪ Greetings, Jacqueline, Steven, and all Dunsy Dimmers around the world. It's with a spoon and Angus Haggis here, color-intering on Friday morning, wishing everyone a happy post-independence day. Americans from the Brits and the Brits from the Tories. It was also quite an exciting and well-written week in the archers. And I don't know what will be happening later today. A lot of focus again on Alice's alcoholism and return of Harry. I'd like to note something that may make me unpopular. Harry's not a bad guy, or at least we don't know if he's a bad guy. I've said the following before and it bears repeating. Alcoholics and the throes of their addiction behave badly. We've certainly seen that with Alice. Harry is now out of rehab. Hopefully he's going to an intensive outpatient program. We're going to a daily AA meeting. He does seem nicer. Let's wish him the best in his recovery. Now back to Alice and Thursday's one woman intervention by Susan. Although I'm not Susan's biggest fan, they do think she has many emotional issues regarding the Aldrich family. She has to work out. I.e. jealousy. I did not think she was inappropriately harsh with Alice. Her own family, while with good intentions, have been tiptoeing around Alice. Anthony Lillian, while covering up the actions of that miserable get Justin, has been particularly ineffective with Alice. For instance, why didn't she say, "I won't serve you a drink instead of I can't give you a drink." Again, the family should have done an intervention, even with the help of a professional. Basically, what Susan said, "You have an illness. You must go to rehab. The potential consequences are severe, including the loss of your child." Of course, Alice's alcohol abuse was ratcheted up by Susan's beloved grandson, Framing Alice, a tangled web. Talk to you soon. Oh, brilliant call. Thank you with a spoon. Yes, a tangled web indeed. Very, very curious to know how this is going to end up, because Susan might actually feel guilty about her outburst. And then Alice has made it feel less guilty because she's giving her a hug. But when you've been harsh with someone, that can live on in your head for quite a while, although I'm not sure that Susan's that reflective, reflex, reflective, yeah, reflective. Harry, it's not a bad guy. No, I think that he didn't have to go and see Alice, just because Chris went to see him. And I thought his reaction to Chris was excellent. Chris, we've said in the past how reactive he is and how aggressive he can be. And that seems to have calmed the last couple of months. But this week, you go back to being exactly how he was with Alice, which worries me for Chris in the future, because he's not a calm person. But Harry accepted his anger. And yeah, I was impressed by Harry this week. I still can't warm to Harry. I just find his voice. It comes across as in sincere, even when he's being sincere. Yeah, and it puts my back up. But I agree with you about Chris. I think he's turning up to beard Harry in his lair, or at least at the awards ceremony, was a typical piece of impulsive behavior. And he launched straight into accusing Harry of something, rather than trying to get something out of him. I suppose he got the reaction that convinced him that Harry was telling the truth somehow or another. But of Michael and Harry's voice, as he always sounds insincere. So I'm not sure that I would have been able to tell from what he said, whether or not he was telling the truth or lying. Yeah, because we know he's a good liar in the past. He's covering up stuff has been part of his alcoholism. Yes, absolutely covering up the alcoholism itself. And we never really learned what caused him to have the accident, and whether there was a drink involved in that. But it was interesting that we had a bit of his backstory when he talked to Alice. The fact that he discovered alcohol at the age of 12 was pretty stunning. Obviously a forging school with his house master. And yeah, very, very enlightening to hear that part of his story with Alice. But he was able to make people complicit with his thinking right from a very early stage. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And obviously he's got it. And as you say, we don't know how he had his accident. If alcohol was involved as well. But with a spoon always has a good insight into people. I know we don't always agree with each other or with him and him with us. But I thought that was a very insightful call with a spoon, especially saying that actually Harry isn't a bad person. And I don't think he is a, we don't know that he's a bad person. I felt he came across very well this week despite his voice. Time for our final call, which is from all. Hello folks, it's Paul and Ellie here. I'm not sure there's that much going on in the arches. I don't know if in the Alice story behind at the moment. All the various ramifications of that. So there is one interesting tidbit around what Antedema were doing. I know a lot of people are saying, "Oh, there's going to be a big accident. There's something going to go wrong with the chainsaw." And I'm reminded and I think it briefly came up on the Facebook group that chainsaws and that family have a history. And if I remember rightly and Stephen all, definitely know the answers here. "Cram is that, Jethro died as a result of not being hit by a chainsaw bike." Think a tree branch dropping like, "I've got a feeling that it was David Patrick Hiller arch, if he was responsible." So that's, Ed is farther in law killed by a falling branch as a result of careless use of a chainsaw. There's hope it's not. Ed's farther in law who goes the same way. I'll say this, I think what is going on with that is they're clearly, slowly those clues are starting to be remembered by people. And hints about the bottle of cider being remembered. You're just getting them right. People to talk to each other and put two and two together and make four of them going off on various tangents and making five. Alice tonight being driven past the scene of the accident by Adam and going, "I remember the car coming towards us." No, Adam took it off on a different tangent, but she's in rehab with time to think, time to recall, time to ponder. Maybe that will come out. Let's hope it doesn't take too long. I know. Thank you for that called Paul and your memory is exactly right. David was up in a tree, sawing a branch off. Jeff Oh is, it was in what we now know is the drop zone and didn't clear the drop zone. Oh, branch fell on him and he died as a result of that. And I agree it would be a real disaster if what happened to Eddy's father-in-law to happen to Ed's father-in-law. I suspect it might be less of a disaster if it would happen to Emma's father-in-law. So that might be a bit of a controversial view to put forward. Yes, I definitely would miss Neil. Oh dear. Well, yeah, Paul, I think you're definitely talking from the same angle as Stephen where he who's suspecting that Alice will be the one who gets the memories back and gives the clues and then can, as we've said, give a story with enough reasonable doubt for the for the court. Yeah. So those are the calls. Thank you so much for calling in. We always say this is about what you the listeners think. So please do tell us how the week was for you in Ambridge and call in next week. As we've mentioned a few times now, Patreon backers have dumped you down now get an ad free version of the podcast. After positive feedback from our patrons, we're now aiming to make the Patreon version available from around 6 p.m. on Saturday. This isn't a guarantee and there may be weeks where other demands on Stephen's time mean that he can't do the edits until later and that will certainly be the case next week because he's going to a wedding, spending much of the day there. 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So let's move on to Facebook and give a warm Dumpty Dum welcome to the following people who've joined our Facebook group in the last week. Martha Catherine, Victoria Wright, Lorna Grayling, Joanna Mead, Sharon Wellings, Jan Riley, Eleanor Elizabeth, and John Young. And as ever, there were also a few people whose membership requests we had to decline because they didn't answer the questions. So let's hear what has been going on in the Dumpty Dum Facebook group this week with a roundup from Witherspoon and Angus Haggis. Greetings Dumpty Dimmers with Witherspoon and Angus Haggis here with this week's social media roundup. It's been very, very busy and combative in Amber to these past seven days, and Dumpty Dimmers have had on lots to say about it. Lila Toph sums it up. I just wanted to take a moment to appreciate how utterly brilliant this storyline is. This is as good as any Greek tragedy. Hats off to the writing team. This week, Alice garnered back some support. Alex Finley said Alice is seriously ill and needs a lot of help. She's not a terrible person, but in the throes of an awful addiction. Sending her to prison even for a short period is kicking her when she's a long way down. Susan evoked many divergent feelings in us this week. Early in the week, Chris Gibson noted that Susan was telling the truth and thought there was no spite in her, but many disagreed with that. Our Tracy replied that Susan has a "mackerel of spite" and that if it were Emma going through this, she would want grace for her. Jonah Tichmarsh thought that Susan was being totally disingenuous, while Laura Jackson thought that Susan was recognizing what Harry's family recognized. Sometimes you have to let Alcoholics hit rock bottom if they're going to help themselves. Helen Cook, Elizabeth Llewellyn, and I all touched upon how it's a fine line between a family supporting versus enabling an alcoholic, and each day a family member may choose to handle it differently. And then Thursday came. And oh boy, were there a lot more comments, again of varying degrees of support for Susan. Jonah was again not happy with her. He said, "Susan, do you really think talking to the mother of your beloved granddaughter like a piece of shit is really doing the best for that child?" Our Steven Bowden replied, "I suspect Susan knows Alice well enough to pitch that tirade at just the right level. We'll probably be exactly what has needed to get her into rehab. Sally Harry's thought it was brutal and not at all helpful, while Lillian McCarthy thought it was exactly what Alice needed to hear. I'll let Jackie McGinty have the last word on this. "Wow, what a powerful performance. Tough love at its best." Now on to George, Sharon Weldon imagined a courtroom scene in which she has questioned. So, Mr. Grundy, what exactly was it that persuaded you to get into a car, for the driver that was clearly so drunk they possibly couldn't drive. I'll add that's assuming the fingerprints on the cider bottle are identified as his. I also created a follow-up courtroom scene. After George admits everything, Alice summoning her inner James Cagney points to George and shouts, "You framed me, you dirty rat." Another possibility of resolving all of this, George will go over to Meg's barn again, have another chat with Bartleby and Meg will overhear everything, and then talk to the appropriate people. Cakeoff modified my prediction. Meg will view the confession on the barn's CCTV. Now on to Justin, Alice and G summed it up with a simple and direct, "Justin, you bastard." Lillian McCarthy added, "Grr, Justin, well done Alice, you go girl." And Helen Blackburn added Justin to that long list, who will be eating humble pie. Some lighter posts Chris Gibson asked if he were the only one waiting for Emma to fall out of that tree. No, I think everyone was. KP Cunningham and others are for the sound advice to not let three-year-olds have naps before teetah. Finally, Aaron Ardvar predicted the coupling of Justin Paul. The thought also crossed my mind ever so briefly, but an otter couple I could not imagine. Talk to you soon. Thank you Lonnie, and thank you so much to everyone on the Dumb to Dumb Facebook group. If you'd like to join them, please do. But you say it every week. Don't forget to answer all the membership questions so that we know you're a real person. Now we're moving on to Twitter, where you will find us at Dumb to Dumb. Make sure you include the arches hashtag using a capital T&A. So visually impaired, who use screen readers can enjoy any arches based tweets. As well as at Dumb to Dumb, Stephen can occasionally be found at Wenlock House. And we can both also be found with arches friends on Blue Sky, where I am at wenlock.bsky.social. And I am at jberto.bsky.social. So let's find out who's won the Twitter medals this week. Tweet, tweet, Tiger. Hello, Jacqueline, Stephen, and Dumb to Dumb is everywhere. It's purple pumpkin here with tweets and skits of the week. And my thanks as ever to everyone who tags @DuntyDumb to make sure we see all the best ones. This week on Twitter and Blue Sky, those who like to divide into two tribes became the pro and anti-Susan camps. Was she, as Jenny Williams at Jenny W. Donk said, saying the words Alice needed to hear? Or was she, as Miranda at Apple Android app said, being judgmental and Susan scented? Maybe a bit of both in this case. And for those of us obsessed with the UK election, Ian @Kermout27 asked if we've ever been told who is the MP for ambridge or even which party are they from. Apparently from its location, ambridge would be one of those that's now switched to either Labour or Liberal Democrat from the Conservatives, according to Liz A at Tabifam. Although Tallahoper at Tallahoper says it's probably in the children hundreds, so they can't have an MP referring to a bit of a British parliamentary tradition that I'll leave you to explore on your own. And as we in the UK consider a historic election result, Paul Smith at Pride of Tour Bay, points out something else he thinks might be unprecedented. The 30th of June on Libous of the Archers didn't include a single character called Archer. The previous week, Tony was the solitary Archer and this week has just Kenton and Josh. Where are the archers here? Are they going to rename the show? Perhaps Mike Hatton of the famous character count can tell us whether we've ever had an archerless archers on Libous previously. But now to this week's medals for blue sky skates and ex-posts, all of which we continue to consider as Tweets of the Week. In Bronze position, it's James A at Exeter to Dormouse. Well the chainsaws have certainly introduced a freesante to every episode when Ed and Emma are on the job. The silver medalist is Ian Roberts at slowbikeem.bskai.social. Susan says she doesn't want Alice to go to prison, but it's obvious she really wants her whip naked through the streets, pelted with rotten fruit and then sent to prison. And the gold medal goes to Doug Peay at Potter Wigham. The first thing that Key Astama should do is sack the appalling Alice plot and give us back proper the archers stories. And on that political note, that's it for this week. I hope to see you all on #TheArchers on Twitter or blue sky next week. Thank you for that, Theo and congratulations to all who are mentioned in this week's roundup. And don't forget we're on Instagram @dumptydum where we're starting to be a bit more active. And on that note, please send any the archers or podcast relevant photos to the #dumptydum email and we'll publish them with credits to you. We will be back once again next week and as we mentioned earlier, recording even earlier than normal about 90 minutes before the crack of dawn on Saturday morning so I can get the podcast edited and in the queues before heading off to my nephew's wedding. So please get your calls in by midnight on Friday, UK time as usual. And as we come to the end of this episode, we need to say thanks to all our wonderful contributors and to the team of #dumptydummers behind the scenes. And we need to say a great big thank you to all of you who are listening to us too. We love making this podcast and sharing our love of the archers around the world. And we must say thank you to Kim Durham and Sonny Ormond for their voices and our podcasting parents, Lucy V. Freeman and Roy Phil Brown. Thank you so much for listening and joining us today. We're now off to rehab. So it's goodbye from me and it's horrible for me. [Music] [BLANK_AUDIO]