DumTeeDum - A show about BBC Radio's 'The Archers'
DTD - 107 Boom, Mike Tucker is back, Terry Molloy interviewed!
Another mega issue this week - not 30, not 60 but 113 minutes and we welcome Davros to the team in form of Terry Molloy who gives a great run down of his involvement in The Archers since 1973, how the programme process has hardly changed over the last 40 years as well as answering questions from callers, not only about being Mike but also in his other acting roles. Mike and the team recall some of Mike's wonderful moments over the years and he hopes the right story will bring the entire family back to the village.Kosmo is very concerned about Lilian's credit card and will be contributing on Damara's position shortly.Witherspoon seems to be lamenting the quieter stories which are now asserting their rightful place in The Archers and Lucy disagrees and she loves that the tension has gone and she can now worry about Neil's eggs and painting the shepherd's hut. And in theory Helen is much safer now.And a special guest - a forensic scientist from Southampton - who provides much illumination on the blood stain patterns in Blossom Hill Cottage. Blood travels easily and it is spatters (not splatters). It is a question of tying the story of events (prosecution and defence) to the blood distribution found. Stabbing might not give much spatter - merely a pool of blood, but does give Helen a sticky predicament.And do not miss the shepherd's hut discussion after the podcast has finished.Plus the Ballad of Helen and Rob.KosomoOn this week’s episode we have calls from Dusty Substances who’s taking a deep breathBlithe Spirit who’d want Kirsty on her team, Yokelbear who loves Neil getting whipped up about eggsSusie who wants to join Carole’s covenmartin who’s hoping for a Few Good Men, Gillian who has a recommendationWitherspoon who’s missing HelenandLilian who’s been down the pub.
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- Duration:
- 1h 56m
- Broadcast on:
- 18 Apr 2016
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Ring us on 0-20-3-0-3-1-3-1-0-5 or leave us a message on Speakpipe. Thanks to lovely chambridges to Cosmo for his podcast round-ups and to Sarah Smith for sponsoring us. Thanks also to Derek for the loan of the back bedroom. Derek's working with Pat and Tony as he's actually a prison visitor at the women's prison. He's not popular with all the inmates, but he always goes down well with Big Sheeler in C-block. Do I have a prison to sell block H? You what? Do I remember a prison to sell block H? I do. That was terrifying. I used to watch that with my students. I was wanting to be in a prison to sell block H. I thought it was going to be great. My Virginia Hay, who was in Mad Max 2, the Wario. She was in prison to sell block H in the early days. She looks, you know, young and vivacious then, but yeah, oh god, I love split-as-out block H. I was addicted to it. Ever been addicted or ever really watched? Really? Yeah. So now, is she just a little bit older, but still vivacious? I hope you're going to say yes. Oh, very much so, yes. Good, good, good. My wife in a cast, web series I did last year, yeah, yeah. Look at you. You're a proper fess, aren't you? Yes, well, I can't be arrested for it any more, you know, so it's... On this week's episode, we have a call from Dusty Substances, who's taking a deep breath. Bly spirit, who wants Kirsty on her team. Yoko Bejulos, Neil getting whipped about eggs. Susie, who wants to join Carol's coven. Martin, who's hoping for a few good men. Gillian, who has a recommendation. Witherspoon, who's missing Helen. Lillian, who's been down the pub, and we have an interview with a forensic expert from CSI Bortsichur, who fleshes out the blood patterns in blossom hill cottage. But first, before all the juicy calls, it's Lucy V. Freeman's week in Ambridge. David had a twist. That's not nice. This necessitated Alistair coming back from the dead, or the better thing shop, depending on where you think he went. Anyway, he remained firmly mute, so we will never know. Bort is cracking on with the egg mobile. The fair buttocks don't even want the damn thing now, but 80-year-old Bort's not got anything else on. Just doing his garden, his job at Brookfield and Carrollton Morgan's garden, so I don't know why he doesn't take on a paper round, really. I'm beginning to think that Pat is actually in league with Rob, as no one's doing a better hatchet job on poor Helen than their own mum. Well, to be honest officer, she was a bit of a nutter, yes. But this week has suddenly revealed the point of Carroll to Bogan. No, Carroll to Bogan is not just a way of reviving the career of a great British dramatic actress and introducing a ridiculous euthanasia who done it. She is a mother. She is the mother of a barrister who represents domestic violence cases. And Hootie Gel suddenly remembered she was her god-daughter. And, this is where it gets really convenient, she practices in Birmingham. Who would have thought that? Anyway, that kept Hootie Gel quiet for a bit, until she returned like a chicken to its own parstered egg, to her conviction that what everyone wants all the time is a lovely family party. This is surely the triumph of hope over experience. She must be thinking, look, I'm knocking 80. Surely we can have one sodding family party that doesn't end in everyone either making rubbish excuses and not showing up at all, or a huge family row. So, we'll look forward to an episode of shouting Ruth smashing up Jill's writing desk and shouting. That's for me mother, Kenton weeping, and Elizabeth breaking a plate of lemon drizzle cake over David said, "Hoorah!" There was another show of unity over at Bridge Farm, where Tom punched Jasmine the mush from making derogatory marks about Helen. "Any normal woman?" he was saying. "Jazza, I'm not sure you know a great deal about normal women, as any of the ones that actually end up with you are either blind drunk or absolutely desperate. So, Jazza has now moved down Wind of Bridge Farm and it's reheated lentil resoles, and moved in with Fallon and Harassment Burns, and Sausage Boy is actually becoming a bit of a hero, and now I quite like him." Lillian Elizabeth and Shuler went to the board just to a business woman of the year awards, and Elizabeth was runner-up in Woman Most Likely To. They all had a lovely gigum together about the fact that they were women there who were scaffolders! How funny! At working class, look, they're are women actually doing proper jobs and not messing around with cupcakes. And look, Emma knows them. That's even funnier. Anyway, inevitably the ruddy cupcake woman won, but I do hope the sheenie sisters took Shuler outside and smashed her teeth in with a scaffolding pole. Some thing I didn't understand yet again! When this woman of the year thing was introduced, Lillian behaved as if she was vaguely associated with this woman of the year thing, and she'd heard about it on the grapevine, and then it turns out she is actually comparing the damn thing, unless of course she'd been on the Jacob's Creek again and just staggered up on stage and grabbed the mic. She was comparing it while being related to the runner-up and being paid by a company that was nominated. I think the sheenie sisters probably need to have a word there too. Pip was going around Ambridge asking people if she could borrow their cows as she wants to do a flash mob experiment. She followed David around saying, "Please can they borrow some cows, Daddy?" I will look up to them and put them back where I got them from, just some half a cow! So he agreed. Once again without checking with Ruth, so she'll be on the next plane to Bolivia. Then Pip said solemnly to David that she couldn't ask Tony if she could borrow some of his cows because of Helen. And then she went over there anyway. Put her head on one side and said, "Is there anything I can do?" Neil was being a guinea pig for Susan, sniffing about, going weep, weep, weep, weep, and nibbling. And when he'd finished that, she asked him to test the fair buttocks pastured eggs. He couldn't tell the difference unsurprisingly, but he was outraged that J.R. Archer was running his egg enterprise at South Fork while also running a rival enterprise. "Damn it, Josh!" said Neil, knocking back his bourbon and pushing back his stetson, "Just whose side are you on?" Adam has asked Ed if he wants to learn something about no till cropping. That's when you get walloped with a crop, but you don't have to pay for it, I'm pretty sure. Brian is a big fan. Adam was very keen that Ed went with him to watch it happening, but Ed said, "No thank you, I'm washing my ferrets." So Adam asked David if he would play with him instead, and David said, "Wouldle, I would like to come and watch cropping. Thank you very much, can we have Nando's for lunch?" And damn it, Rob is out of danger, until the surgeon discovers a likely in agricultural work and jammed up his culverts anyway. That was quite good this week, Freeman. That was actually quite good this week, Freeman. I gave me pause to laugh on more than one occasion. Well done. Thank you. Terry, I know you would devotee of Lucy's monologues, aren't you? Yes. Well, don't sound too sure. Now, we've been doing this for 107-odd episodes. Where do you think that ranks in the pantheon of Lucy monologues? Where would you put that? Oh, 107. Rick, 107th worst or best? Yes. Definitely. Well, I did put a diplomatic answer. Terry, we are so glad to have you on the show. We've been threatening this for some time, haven't we? You have indeed, yes. And we've had so many people saying, "When are they coming back? What's happened if I can make it Bethany?" And we miss them and everything. I think particularly over the somewhat traumatic storyline of the last year, I think Mike's kind of exasperated good humour has been sorely, sorely missed. Yes. He does drift in and out, but I'm certainly not saying anything, but I hear he suddenly appears and has a chat with Roy, and then just appears again. Yeah, I'm just saying, Dad, he's just said that is not where he is. No, it would be nice to come back. I cannot say anything. I have no idea. It's in the lap of the gods, as they say. How do you think Mike is actually getting on in Birmingham? What's he got the feeling? I think he's probably wandering aimlessly around Cannon Hill Park into the lake and muttering at the trees or hugging them, because he probably misses them. I mean, actually Birmingham's got a lot of tricks. It's the highest forested city in Europe. There you go. I was just about to jump in and say that. Yeah. It is, most forested. I mean, I remember in the days of Pebble Mill, we'll be on the top deck in the canteen, looking out across towards the centre of Birmingham. You can see anything except trees until you've got to the city's centreways or a few high rises. Yeah, it's very impressive in terms of trees. Terry, can I just jump in and warn you? I'm the person that comes out with the facts on this show. All right. Well, you know, just be careful. You're stealing my thunder, sir. I've heard you're going across to some strange colonial place, so I thought you needed usurping really. So it's got more canals and Venice, and I lived there for 29 years. Whereabouts in Brum? Hands were to begin with, and then I moved to Mosley, as all artists do, you know, take off our shoes and wander around their feet and, you know, they say, you know, if you were in the '60s, you had to live in Mosley. You know, it was a very attractive little village. Yeah, I lived in Mosley from '73, bought my first house in Mosley in '77 after I'd finished the tour of God's Bell, and I was there until '99 when I moved over to Norfolk. You were in God's Bell. Yes, in... Well, I mean, that's proper hippie stuff, isn't it? Oh, real hippie stuff, yeah, yeah. Oh, I was a hippie, do you see? Did you have long hair? I had long hair. I had tie-dye t-shirts and loon jeans, and I was in as a rake, and, you know, and, you know, smoked a pipe and all sorts of silly things, you know, as one does in those days. I mean, yeah, I'm a true child of the '60s me. I mean, you know, that was my era, you know. What in hair were you? No, I was very nearly in hair. I auditioned for the second change of cast, and it was one of those things that was, you know, a great cue of an open audition, great cue of people around the block, and you come on and you, you know, there's this great black stage with lights in your face, you know, and they asked what you're going to sing, so I said I was going to sing the end of the first act, and so I started singing, and after about three lies, this voice from the darkness bellows, "Can you sing louder?" Well, I didn't have a microphone or anything, you know, he was in his varsity, so I said, "Okay, so I started again." After three lines, he says, "Can you not sing louder?" So I actually walked to the front of the stage, peered into the darkness and said, "Pardon? Next?" That was my audition for hair, but now I did something very similar in '76. I did a rock musical called Pilgrim, which was about Pilgrim's Progress, which went up to the Edinburgh Festival. It was an official entry in the Edinburgh Festival with Paul Jones and Peter Straker and a lot of other people from hair, Paul Nicholas. In fact, I understudied Paul Nicholas as well as the Wiseman and Talkative, and that was great. I mean, that was light being in hair, except it wasn't hair. You know, we didn't have to take our clothes off either. So by that point, you're already Mike in the arches? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what year did you start? Mike, '73, 4, late '73 into '74. And tell us about that process. Tell us how you got the gig. I got a call from... I've been doing some radio at Pebble Mill. I've been in Birmingham since about 1972 working at the Middle Arts Centre as an actor and as an associate director. And I got a call from the arches office saying that I'd been recommended by Roger, by Anthony Cornish, who was then the head of radio drama. And would I come in and see them about a park? And so I went in that afternoon. And I was met by the editor and was introduced to Dan and Doris. Tony Shrine told me that it was this park or my tucker and he was a cowman. He was going to take over the herd of Brookfield Farm. And so I did this scene. And they kept on saying, "Can you do a bit slower? Can you just, you know, make the voice a bit deeper?" And I'm doing that and this came out and said, "Yeah, that's fine." What had actually happened was they'd already cast Mike Tucker with an actor called Gareth Armstrong. He got a job at the radio rent and so it wasn't going to be available. And he'd only done two episodes. So what they'd done was they decided to recast immediately with somebody else who sounded like him, which is the story of my life in the city. I'm going to take the people. So yeah, what they were actually doing was listening to the recording they'd already done with me alongside it, doing the same recording to see if it matched. And said, "Right, okay, can you start next Tuesday and your fee will be seven guineas? Because we're paying guineas then." Wow. So yeah, it was literally that. I went in, did the audition and I was taken on for five weeks. That's not bad. Five weeks in 1973. I'm still here. Five week gig seems to have been extended a bit, yeah. Or being in it for that long, because you don't notice the time. You don't know, right, because you're only in it once a month if you're in it at all. Sometimes there are blocks of months when you're not in at all. Then you might have a Russia storyline. But I guess the time I really realized that time had gone by was when they auditioned Roy. And we had a group of people coming in and I was auditioning with them and we'd gone through the day and some very good people. And finally this guy came with the last one, I think actually, Ian Pepperall. And the minute he opened his mouth, the hairs ran up on the back of my neck because I thought, my God, that's me 20 years ago. You know, it really was, and that's when I realized that I've been in this for nearly 20 years. Yeah. Because your son's in it now, isn't it? Your son plays your grudges. Yes. He's been in it since he was seven. I mean, that was pure chance as well, because I happened to be in one of the late episodes, four, 45 episodes. And I picked Philip up from school, from primary school, and I brought him in with me and he sat in the green rings swinging around on chairs and scribbling on me old scripts. And they had this little line at the end of the episode we were doing where William says, "Hey dad, that man has got my ball." And they were going to record it later with some child they found in the school, but they came out. So William Phillips had sort of said, "Hey, mate, would you like to have a go at this line?" I said, "Yeah, sure." I said, "Philip, that's what you're going to do." He went in, did it, and they said, "Oh, that's good." And came back a little later and said, "Yeah, we like that. Would you like to do another one?" And so he was built into the program. And I think he was one of the first children that's actually grown through, because it was always usually either a duty would do the voices of children. You know, she was on Kenton when they were little. Yeah, so he was, I think, the very first child actor that moved through into teenager and beyond. So he's been in it since he was seven and he's what's 32 now. And he survived as well, because a lot of the ones that started off as child actors have been deposed and replaced, haven't they? No, he's hung on in there. It's the only acting he does. It's the only job, the only gig he does. He works as other things in Birmingham. He lives in Birmingham. Well, all my children live in Birmingham, too literally, but there we go. So, people's moving out, you know, I mean there we go. Well, to be honest, I moved out 20 years ago. I've been in London for 20 years. But anyway, Terry, if you've been around the archers since the early 70s, did you explain to us, or maybe describe how the process of maybe putting the show together has changed? I mean, from a production point of view, I don't believe it's changed that much. I mean, in terms of the long-term story planning meetings that they have, the monthly planning meetings that they have, the advisors they have, like the agricultural advisor, various medical and legal advisors that they have in place. I suppose the storylines have broadened, because when I joined the archers, there were what? 15, 20 members of cast tops. That's it. We're now into the 60s. So, you know, in those days, the bread was, the butter was spread fairly quickly in terms of allocation of storylines and parts. And obviously, as time has gone on, and the the edges of the village have expanded in terms of other people coming in, or be they temporary characters or permanent characters, I think that butter is spread slightly thinner. But the actual process of the making of it, the continuity was originally all done on index cards. I've seen Camilla's old blocks of index cards, where they would note down the fact that Phil Archer said he didn't like poached eggs in 1957. You know, so that they don't make the mistake of giving them a poached egg in 1994, because some would write in and say, oh, Phil Archer doesn't like poached eggs, he said so in 1957. So that, that level. A man can change surely. No, nothing changes there. So, yeah, I mean, that that level of detail, I think, has always been there. And that, you know, desire to produce what I call a inaccurate replication of what happens in a rural community at any particular one time, I think has always been there. And has been one of the reasons for its long long-lasting success. It has always actually reflected the reality of a living in a rural community. And long may it continue. We had a call from one of our regular callerinerers and occasional hosts, Andrew Horn. Greetings, Earthlings. Andrew Horn here. I have a question for Terry. We've mentioned several times on Dumtydum that the character of Mike went through quite a development arc of the years from being quite a firebrand into the character that he became when he went off to Birmingham. I just wondered what your view was of how the character had developed, how much say you had in it, and where you think the character of Mike is at the moment. That's it, really? Thank you. Yeah, Mike was a raging, you know, union man when he came in. One of my first interactions with the public after a year arrived, I was on tour with the Prospect Theatre up in Northumberland. And we had a play goers party after the show, and I was drinking a bite of beer at the bar. And this very lovely little lady came up to me and said, "Hello." She said, "Are you Terry Malloy?" I said, "Yes, I am." She said, "Do you play Mike Tucker in the arches?" I said, "Yes, yes, I do." And suddenly I was hit round the head by a handbag. I thought about being such a swine to feel a baby little socialist you, you know. As she asked me if I was Terry Malloy first, you know, I play Mike. Doesn't that give you a clue? You know, certainly not a new man. I mean, he's always only opened his mouth to change feet. I mean, that's been part of his nature and his bullishness and beliefs that, you know, you do an honest day's work for an honest day's payer and anything else is not on. And women should know their place, you know. But that changed, obviously, with the careful tending of Betty over the years. Betty's death, I think, was a change in him, because that win change in him as a man in realizing what he'd lost and how it had been better as a husband to Betty, which I found really lovely to be able to address and play during that period. Talking about loss there, Terry, when you lost your eye, right? You as an actor, how do you then change your performances, considering that you're acting primarily through the medium of radio. So tell us about the loss of that eye, then actually how that affected your characterisation of Mike moving forward. Well, there were two things. I mean, first of all, I wore an eye patch. I did. I did actually wear an eye patch when we did events out. I had an eye patch, which I then covered in. I had a gold bottle top. I wear it different events. So the gold bottle top was for, you know, the stone in the Royal Agri-Culture Show. You know, I just thought it was a rather nice joke. In terms of Mike, I mean, there was, I think it affected his temper and, you know, led to his depression and all of that thing. And that had an input into how he saw, or only partly saw, life around him and how, you know, things have moved on. So yeah, I mean, vocally, it's not going to change anything. It's got to be an inner intention in what you say, how you say things. And, you know, it's one of those things you sometimes forget about. And occasionally the script writers will write something in that you can't do that because you've only got one eye. But it doesn't usually stop me doing anything. I mean, like, he doesn't play cricket anymore because he's only got one eye. Can't see the ball coming. He's getting hit on my bad eye, you know, silly bowl of Michael. We've had, we have another caller, Yoko Bear. You've got Terry Mulay on. That's brilliant. I love Terry doing a total fanboy thing here. I really wish Mike would come back. I miss Mike. I miss Vicki. Just, you know, you don't know what you've got until it's gone. But I'm a big fan of another thing that he does, which is a radio series called The Scarifiers. And it's hilarious. It's absolutely hilarious. And Terry plays Professor Dunning, who's just brilliant. So here's my request to Terry. Please, please, please, just for me, Yoko Bear, can you say, "Oh crumbs" as Professor Dunning because it would make my week. Is a writer of goose stories and a bit of an academic and eccentric and everything goes right. It's a series we started doing nine years ago with myself and Nick Courtney, from Doctor Who, nothing to do with Doctor Who. It was set in the 1930s, or is set in the 1930s, and it revolves around this octogenarian cop who goes on hitting people. And this sort of bizarre ghost story writer, Prof Dunning. So he had D.I. Lion, Hart, and Professor Dunning, who become MI-13, and they solve psyche problems. It's a bit like X-Files meets Dick Barton. Because when you think about it, you've been on two of the BBC's flagship shows. I mean, you're in Doctor Who, and you're in The Archers, and you can't get much bigger, kind of cultural impact than those two, really, can you? No, I mean, somebody said to me a few years ago, you do realize you've been in two of the most iconic programs in the last, I said, "Hey, less of the last century, will you?" Again, Doctor Who, I took over from somebody else. Michael Wisher, who created the character of Davros, who created the Daleks, wasn't to they, or the BBC actually had a strike. All the productions have moved forward by a month or backwards by a month. And when they came to remount resurrection of the Daleks, which Michael was meant to be doing, the director was going to do it, they moved on to another job, and Michael was on tour in Australia. A new director was brought in, who I just finished working with on a TV series down in Southampton. And he rang me up because he knew I could do impersonations, voices and things like that. And he said, "Would you like to take this on? And who's going to say no?" I came into it again, thinking it was just going to be for the one gig. But they liked what I did, and I came back right through to the end of the classic series, when Mr. Grade made you rot in hell. You're not bitter though, are you, Terry? You're not bitter. Oh, excuse me, I've got dogs. Yeah, so I thought that was the end of it. But then big finish, the audio company started making new versions of dotted audio adventures. And it's taken off from there. And I've done that for us now, I've got 14, 15 times, plus a stage play. So, yeah. Have you got a small dog savaging your ankles? I've got two small dogs, not savaging my ankles, but making it plain that people shouldn't be allowed to walk past our cottage. Are they terriers? Yeah, they're very cool. I mean, if they did actually get out, they'd lick people to death, but they're very cool. They're perfectly scary, I have to say. What did you feel about sort of, we all thought that the Bethany storyline was very nicely handled with Mike's kind of initial anxiety and his reluctance and just the fear of the unknown. And I don't know what it's going to be and wanting to protect Vicki from heartbreak and everything. And Vicki kind of drove him through it and steered him through it. And then they all vanished. Just before you answer, that Vicki Berry on the book of Face also kind of posed that question as well. So, now you were allowed to answer, sir. Yeah, I mean, I thought the storyline was great. I mean, it was one that needed addressing and it was nice that they'd taken it with a couple of which who, you know, you wouldn't normally associate with having a dance in their job or you wouldn't expect them to have a dance in their job because it rounds the family, you know, into a family that has problems that, you know, they may be perceived as comic characters by, you know, some of the audience but they actually are real, really rounded people and they do have problems. But also joys because there is joy in having a down syndrome child. I know I've got, you know, several friends have got down syndrome children and honestly, I've never met such happy families. There's so much delight in there, along with some of the pain as well. I'm better need, you know, when she was brought in, we were told that she was not very high on the down syndrome spectrum. So eventually, this is something we've burned through. And I mean, it's interesting the correlation student had done, you know, the same story line and done it through well. So it's something that, you know, could be treated. I mean, I just think, I don't know, I don't know why they really decided to move us away. I mean, perhaps say, I don't know, you'd have to ask the editors of that. I mean, it's his decision. I absolutely thought it was nailed on for Bethany to be there for the next 20, 30 years because I, you know, it was to the to the listening. It was so obvious that this is a case of showing that somebody with downs can actually be an integral part of the community and actually a benefit to society. It was going to be played out through this great couple who were going to be really good parents. And also, the other thing which I thought was incredibly realistic about the portrayal was the fact that you were so anti having Bethany first. And I thought that was very true. You know, and you said to Vicki, look, you know, I'm a man of a certain age. I can't be doing this at my time in life. But she said, no, she really wanted this child. And, you know, and her been a tenacious mother. And the fact that you loved her, you came round to it. And then you loved your daughter. It made little sense to anybody then that this story line was dispensed because I think it's such a powerful one saying that there is no facility for to be in a special school in moving them away is probably one I would question because, I mean, my real wife, she had two daughters, both disabled, physically disabled, and she fought like a Tigris to ensure that they remained in ordinary education, you know, when they wanted to put them in special schools away from away from the public. And I think that it's a valuable story, you know, and there are a lot of people out there who are in similar situations, either with down syndrome children or with physically disabled, mentally disabled sometimes, children with autism. It's a part of the society that I do feel does need to be addressed. It's very close to my heart. I was sad that they decided to move them out to Birmingham's and it gets them out of the village. So you don't need to reference them, except in, you know, passing as they pop back in occasionally. Who knows what might happen in the future. But also Vicki, Vicki was so at home in Ambridge having, you know, turned up in a ridiculous shoes at first and everything. But she absolutely fell in love with it, didn't she? And she was involved with every aspect of the community. And then to suddenly say, right, I'm not enough of this, I'm going back to, you know, with sort of what appeared to be not much of a backward glance, you know, it's just very unrealistic, I thought. And I don't know. I mean, it's that we, we, we are in the hands of the of the story writers and what they decide to do, you know, yeah, it always happened, you know, you you swing with the you swing with the with the punches, you swing with the with the storylines as they come and go. And who do you who do you think knows Mike better you or the person that writes Mike? Me, absolutely me, because Mike is part of me has to be. I've grown up with a character and there have got to be so many aspects of me in that character, you know, I'm not saying I'm a grumpy old fart all the time, but I sometimes enjoy doing a grumpy old fart because that comes to the territory when you get to a certain age and you're a gentleman, or not so much of a gentleman as me. Do you miss it? Yes, of course I do. Yeah, very much so I'd love, I love, I love being a studio. I love the people I work with, you know, the castle is really lovely. I mean, you sometimes don't see people for months, years on ends, you know, and because you're doing 24, 26 episodes in a week, and there are four a day, you might be in the nine o'clock and somebody else might be in the, you know, 1130, but you've finished and gone before they arrive, or you miss people by an episode, you sometimes don't have episodes with people for months. Yeah, you pick up when you get back together as if you've never been away. And that's the nature. It's like being part of an giant extended family. And to be separated from your extended family is a loss. It's, you know, you do feel it. I mean, I felt it keenly when, when Pam went off to New Zealand, and suddenly my wife of 35 years went disappeared, and she was a studio and I came back, you know, and it was very disturbing that she wasn't there. So yes, you do, you do feel like it is also a job. And so I'm not trying to get too, you know, emotional about it, but it's a, it's a very special job. It's a group of people that I've known a lot for years and years and years. And I'm, I'm, I'm continuing to enjoy listening to on the radio when I'm not shouting at it like everybody else. So, outy moments, the radio, don't do it. You know, maybe. I saw Rachel Atkins the other day. Oh yeah. And she sends her love and she really misses everybody. And she said, I'm really Miss Terry. Miss Rachel. She's lovely. We just had such a ball playing. As I say, we had such a ball playing with each other. No, she's such a, and she's such a good actress. She's such a super radio actress. She's amazing. Yes, very much so. Yeah. Um, just to give us a kind of a sense of the span of time that you've been on, on the series, again there, Terry. Who was the editor when you first done the mantle of Mike? Tony Shrine. So, so how many editors did you go through? There was Tony's and I think it was Liz would be, Liz would be Neil Fraser in two, three, four. There'd been various ins and outs of people in for a short period of time. Rick came in. Vanessa Whitburn was young, wasn't she? Oh yeah, she was there a long time. And Vanessa, I'd worked with a long time before, when she was on radio drama, when she was doing radio drama at Pebbleville before she took over the archers. And when she was in charge of the archers, she was also in charge of radio drama as well. So, she dipped back in occasionally and do it. It was great working with Vanessa in studio. She's such a good director of radio. She really has got an ear for it, you know. Yeah, I really love those times. And I've got, in fact, I've still got a picture somewhere on my wall of an outside broadcast that we did, because they were doing it in binaural stereo. So, it had to be an outside, a real outside, you stick in order. We were doing the Golden Girls, the thing about the Olympics. And we were doing it on the sports field at the university. And there's a picture of the really windy day, and very blustery and rainy. And they got the mic shielded by umbrellas. And there's Vanessa with her back to the camera with this inside out umbrella. And all the rest of us, you know, killing ourselves and laughing. I'm on crutches because I ripped my hamstring string, having to stamp as I went past the microphone. And the BBC should be very glad I didn't sue them for that. But, yeah, yes, there's a Vanessa, there's Rick B for a while, there was, oh, Tony, what's his name? William Svethurst, who came in for quite a while. And, in fact, it was responsible for me leaving the programme for a short period of time, because I got this job down at TBS at Southampton, pre pre Doctor Who. And I hadn't been in the arches for nearly a year, you know, hardly been in it at all with Bill. And then I got this job down. And then I got this call from the arches office saying, we want you to do the, you know, we want you in for an episode. Oh, I can't do it, you know. So I'm down in Southampton. And Bill was on the phone saying, what's this, you know, can't do this episode. I said, no, but I've got this job in South Africa. Well, it's important. We have been back in. I said, well, what do you call an important thing? See, I said, the story, this is story and I don't want to run. I said, well, what's, you know, is it how important is it? Is it going to be, you know, one episode, two episodes? He said, well, it could be six. I said, okay, so you want me to turn down 27 episodes of television for possibly six episodes of the arches. Well, I can't already commit it anyway. You know, so it's an all I'll have to recast you. I said, fine. And he kind of went, oh, but he did. He apparently recast me. I don't know who they recast. So Mike wasn't Mike. Mike wasn't you for six. But for a very short period of time until they realized that wasn't going to work. And so he went silent again until Graham Harvey got out of the tuckers back in because we've got the storyline about, you know, something, something agriculture that needs specifically. So I then got this phone causing, you know, if you like to come back into the arches and I said, yeah, I mean, actually, I was rather glad to have left it that time because Mike had become purely verbal scenery. He hadn't have a storyline in the yonks. And it was nice to come back in and actually have a storyline because storylines actually allow you to show an expanse of the characters. I think, yeah, just recently in this events in, in Ambridge currently gives the act as a chance to flat their wings a bit and show more than just the day to day stuff, which everyone is very good at. And it requires a particular sort of actor to be able to produce the day to day minutiae without, you know, sounding totally bored. I came back into it then with Smithers. And he was, for quite a while, he was in it quite a while before Vanessa came in. You've seen off quite a few editors then, Terry. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's the nature of the beast you're going to because head is a little come and go. They're not going to last the, you know, and if the character is long, long standing, you know, I mean, I've, I've, I've when I've seen off as many as people like, you know, June and Leslie Sealard have, you know, who've been there at the beginning. But yes, the nature of the beast, you're going to editors will move on. They further their careers. They, you know, they choose to go a different direction or whatever it may be or they just feel that they've done what they wanted to do with the program and it's time to hand the baton on. So that's the nature of nature broadcasting. What's your favorite Mike story line or scene? You know, what's the, what's the scene that you kind of think, yeah, you know what, Terry Malloy, you did some good work there, sir. I know what mine is. Can I? I know exactly what you're going to say. He's talking about his missus being dead and what it meant to him, blah, blah, blah, stop it. No, it's when he says the only person that would know which type where the Betty Spoonville was Betty. Yeah, that made me cry my head off. Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, I don't think, oh, I really nailed it there. I never do. And I sometimes don't like listening to myself because the nature of broadcasting is you're hearing something in your head that doesn't actually come through on on rate. And no matter how good you are at doing it, only a part of what you really intend to come through tends to come through sometimes. But yeah, that that scene was with with Brenda when he doesn't know what suit to wear. Yeah. Was very dramatic for us both because bless her Amy, her mother had died literally a year before. Really? And we in fact, we didn't rehearse it at all. We said to them that we can't rehearse this. Can we just give us five minutes to sit here and think about it and then we'll do it. And we did it and they took in one. Oh, God, I'm going to cry again now. Oh, yeah. No, it was a very, very strong emotional scene for me very much. So the one with with Vicky where the whole episode was just Mike and Vicky in our episode was, you know, Mike and Vicky. In terms with the amnias and thesis test. Absolutely. Yeah. That I pulled over, I was driving the car down Chamberlain Road in Kendall Rise and I had to pull over and my eyes went moist. I'm a man, so I never cry, of course. But my eyes did go a little bit moist, Mr. O'Loy, and I just thought that was absolutely kind of radio gold. Oh, thank you. Oh, kind. No, we had a whole load of people basically say the same thing when you're coming back, when you're coming back. So it was Vicky Cole in Kenya, Kelvin Saxton and Deliz Tomlinson said when you're coming back. But I think we know the answer, but let's hear it from the horse's master, to speak. Michael, come back when they decide there's a storyline for him to come back and if Vicky and Bethany come back as well, then that's again a decision made by the by the office. You know, it's not mine to make or demand or anything else. You know, I'm there to be used as as Mike when they feel the storyline is right for him to be there and how he comes back or when or where or what have you. I can't even begin to seek. You've got any anything else to add there, Freeman? No, I think I'm done. All right. Well, I'm done too. So at that point, I think we should maybe go and hit those phone lines. Hello, Ambridge 3962. So who's first in Freeman? Dostington's substance. She said. Hello, it's Dusty Substances here, the wrong sort of listener. I'm coping better now that I'm not hearing the actual abuse. I think that's a positive thing. I'm taking a deep breath and accepting that and a tribogon being a barrister specialising in domestic violence is nothing unremarkable at all, by certainly not for Ambridge, is it? I've sort of got my head around where Jess is. That was a concern for quite a while. I could not understand why Jess would want to have anything to do with Rob and hearing the two hander made rather a lot of sense really. So I was glad I'd heard that. I'm still trying to sort out Ursula because maybe it's just that I'm being naive and there is probably a thread somewhere. But we go from early stages when Rob didn't want Helen to have anything to do with his mother at all. There was the no show at the dinner party and then we get Ursula turning up for weeks on end and Rob is in her thrall. And then pantsmine Bruce turns up. Clearly Ursula is in thrall to the highly ridiculous but scary Bruce. So why would Bruce have let her be at Robin Helen's for so long? And why was she worse when he wasn't there than when he was? I'm really trying to sort that all out. Yes! What the hell? Ursula's character arc? I didn't understand. If Bruce is like Bruce is, that sounds like one of those ridiculous. If Bruce is like Bruce is, why would Bruce have let Ursula stay on for ages? He would have demanded that she came home. And Ursula was worse when Bruce wasn't there, was nicer when Bruce was there, or was she only nicer in comparison with Horrible Bruce? I don't know, it's this Ursula thing. It's like a Venn diagram of Archer's characters and Archer's plot and you can see where it's all going. Then there's Ursula, who's just like a little island on her own twiddling around, just no relevance to anybody. No, it makes no sense. One minute she's the most horrible person in the world. According to Rob, the next minute she's the only person in the world he trusts and she's got to move in and you know, it's just absolutely nuts. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know about it. I don't know about it not making any sense at all. I think as we said, and other people have said, this is, you're supposed to see this as Rob and Helen 40 years hence. And also that very obviously Ursula has been bullied traumatized, is damaged because of Bruce. So she's one way when she's with him, another way when she's not with him. However, she does share a lot of his, even though she's a woman, he's kind of misogynistic, let's say patriarchal views of the world, whether it is sending your kids off to boarding school. But in terms of it being the right thing for them, even though Rob very clearly said he found it lonely and somewhat traumatizing experiences. But he said it was better than being at home. He said, he said, because he said, well, let's face it, home wasn't exactly a picnic, was it, or something like that? True that. But still, if the only way to extol the virtues of it was the fact that home was this loveless, cold place, it's not really, yeah, it's damn it, we're paying praises, isn't it? But either way, I thought it was understandable that she becomes a shrinking wallflower, if I'm not mixing my metaphors there, when she's around her boarish husband, and then she is slightly another person when she's not. I didn't think that that was necessarily so, so, so unbelievable. But as I kind of say, I think it was last week or the week before, there are little shoots of humanity with Ursula. And if we are going to say that Helen is traumatized because of Rob, and very obviously she is, I think we have to recognize that the same thing is happening to Ursula. You have to, you know, you can't just say, well, she's an evil old witch. Maybe there's a bit of sort of Stockholm syndrome going on. I think you might be right there, Luce. Blied spirit. Oh, I love Blied spirit. Hello, Dunty Dun Blied spirit calling. Well, I've just done a marathon, listened through from the day after the big Sunday episode through to Thursday of this week. Not heard the last one yet. I just wanted to say a few things. The first one is, I bloody love Kirsty. Isn't she a rock? I mean, after everything that she's been through with the Archer family, with Tom and with Helen, she'd have every reason not to give them an inch more. But she's been so supportive. She's kept everyone together. She's kept her head. And she's been absolutely amazing. If anyone had been through something as awful as what that family are going through right now, wouldn't you want someone like her on your team? I know I would. Also really pleased to hear that Cara Tragrin's daughter is interested in representing Helen at Crown Court. As a domestic violence and women's issue specialist, she is the ideal candidate to put forward a really strong defense for Helen. And she will understand completely what she's been through. Yes, Anna. She she, a blood spirit, big fan of Kirsty, big fan of Carol Toburgen's daughter, Anna. I did. Yes. I mean, we've got no idea whether Anna is actually as good as everyone says she is, but she just sounded calm and competent and she knew what she was doing. And she wasn't hysterical like Pat, understandably hysterical, but still. And you know, she just sounded business like and professional and great. So hurrah for Cara Tragrin's daughter, Anna. Yokel Bear echoes this. And I too have great, he's got great hopes for that woman. Me too. Yes, Maxine Peake in silk. That's exactly how I'm thinking of her. Yep. And please come to the rescue. Susie from Wisconsin says much the same that she now wants to join Carol's coven. I do hope Carol's not. I don't I do hope that Carol at the point of Carol was not just to have the daughter that saves Helen. I hope that Carol will continue to sort of be a thing in average. She won't now disappear. My work here is done now like a superhero and then just fly off on her broomstick. Now you are still clicking. I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Now we have first time call her in a row. Martin Greaves. Who he? Editor. Martin here. Greaves the E 17 on the Twitters and a first time caller in a row. Get the admin out the way. I live in London and I work for a small radio and TV outfit. I got into the archers in the early 90s in Studio 3E at Broadcasting House when working on the radio for seven o'clock news. And sometimes I was a bit slowed turning off what came next when we finished at five past seven. And I just kind of got sucked in really. I'm calling in because I have a long range plot prediction. Helen is going to get off because Rob won't be able to control himself in court and he's going to have a Jack Nicholson style. You're damn right. I ordered a code red outburst at which point the prosecution will collapse and Helen will be free. I also imagine that Rob will not be especially respecting of a female barrister which will further lead to his downfall. It could all turn out really rather well. So rather than coming over all these tenders, I think that the archers will turn into a few good men. The only thing I'm not sure about is who's going to be Tom Cruise? Martin for those who don't know, Martin Greaves is our tech expert, isn't he? He is. And he is the one when we talk about Derek in the back bedroom. It's Martin. But clearly it's not really Martin because Martin is not a right-wing pervert. But, well, that's debatable. But anyway, he's not much like Derek. And if you're Stalin, he's going to be right-wing, isn't he? If you're Trotsky or Lenin, Martin is going to be to the right-wing in them. Yes. So, are you Trotsky? No, I think we've already established I'm not Trotsky. I think we established that fairly early on in the podcast. Right. OK, then. So, yes. So, this is his long-range plot. Helen's going to get off Rob won't be able to control himself in court because he won't respect a female barrister. And he'll lose it. I can really see that happening. Martin, we were walking the dog on Sunday, and Martin told me this plot prediction and then said, "You know, this is sounding so obvious to me now. I don't think I'll even bother to ring in because it's blind in the obvious. That's what's going to happen." I. And then I said to him about all the people at the courts we get when people ring in and say, like, "When after Rob died, after Rob was stabbed, then we got all the courts and we were going, right, what's going to happen is he's dead and hello, I'll go and then two days later, another court going, hello, it's me again. Forget that one. I think everyone thinks their plot prediction is so obvious, they're not even going to bother saying it. You think what? No. I really don't want this show to go down the route of a procedural. I really don't. I enjoyed it in parts with the, you know, understanding the process, you know, in parts. I enjoyed it. But we don't want it to go down that route. But to actually hear Rob's barrister go through with him the questions he'll be asked and for him to lose it, and then to hear his barrister then try and coach him and say, "Actually, you can't say that, you can't display, you know, anger, their orchestration, you've got to be calm. Remember, you are the loving husband. It's actually been quite a great, great bit of drama. But, you know, I don't want this to be reduced to... But I do want to see him taken apart by Karate Boggan's daughter, though. Listen, absolutely, we all do. But that wouldn't have been an isolation. Taken apart. But that wouldn't happen in isolation, would it? No. He would have been trained and coached. Yes. And, you know, there would be a point where a question would be asked, and you know that he would have lost it in the training. But then he keeps it just about together, you know. But then another question which he wasn't suspecting would come. And that, in and of itself, would make for great drama, but I don't want it in the arches. No. It doesn't feel very angry. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So, thank you for your call, Martin Greaves. Do feel free to call in again. It's lovely to have from you. Gillian. Hi, everyone. It's Gillian from Gates Head. I just want to give you a quick podcast recommendation for the podcast call crime time. It's American legal, current affairs. But that particular episode I want to recommend is the 6th of April. And it was all about domestic violence. But what was really interesting was the lady that had on was called Laura Richards, and she's from the UK. And she's the founder of a stalking charity in the UK, which is also worked with the police a lot. And I think she was a criminal profiler. But in addition to this, she was talking about the conversations that are going on in the UK around domestic violence, particularly with the coercive control legislation coming out. And she did say that storyline in a big show called The Arches is contributing to this, so well done arches. And she was also saying that whenever the profile of these issues are raised, people do come forward and get help. So I think that links in the same, a big thank you to goddess Steve. It's people like her sharing their stories and, you know, hopefully giving courage and sort of confidence to other women or men to come forward and seek the help that they need. So anyway, moving on. The next thing I'm going to mention is something I've been pondering and fawning up about for a while. Over the past year, when I've been listening to the arches, some of the characters have said a few things that has got me thinking. And with the news about people having questionable tax affairs, I thought it might be good, but you moment to mention it. The question marks have been raised in my mind around Lillian and her club in allowance. Now, who's she employed by? Where's she getting the money from? Is this just handouts from Justin? Yes, Lillian and her clothing allowance. I think, yes, there are several people in average, as you say, who need urgent investigation by HMRC, Brian Aldridge for one. If he's not up to his neck in offshore accounts, I don't know who would be. And yes, I'm still not entirely sure what Justin is paying Lillian for. She's not registered as a PR. She's a property company, which doesn't explain why she's been given a clothing allowance by somebody. And is that taxable? Who knows? Cosmo would know, what am I saying? And congratulations, John and Richard John from Newcastle. This is who is getting married on Saturday. Hurrah, congratulations. And you will remain forever in Dum to Dum's good books for throwing the owner of the house out of his own kitchen for laughing when Tony got stomped on by the bull. That was very funny. Did you see, I laughed when Nigel went off the roof. No, you never. I did. Did you? I did. I heard it once and when I'm the second time I laughed, probably because I've seen Twitter in between the first time and the second time. And also, I laugh when tension goes. And because we'd had all this shake ambush to the cool nonsense, I was so keyed up about what it could possibly be when Nigel did his ah, I was so, sort of, it was so funny that it had happened and finished and all the tension had disappeared that I started giggling. Don't tell Graham seed that. I don't know why I think whispering on a podcast will work, but somehow I am always convinced that they nobody will hear me if I whisper. They will move see. Graham seed won't. That's true. He still thinks he still thinks this is a website, doesn't he? With a spoon. Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling toss salads and scrambled eggs. Massive. Greetings, Lucy, Royfield, Millie Bell and all Dum to Dimmers around the world. It's with their spoon and Angus Haggis here on this beautiful spring Sunday afternoon. We've been pondering the ironies of life before the events of the third of April, and we'll refer to all such dates as BS for before stabbing. We would be so relieved and happy to hear an archer's episode that was free of Robin Helen. And now since that date, and we'll assign any following date with the ending A.S.S. for afterstated stabbing, in an episode that doesn't include meaningful chatter about the incident feels well, rather flat. Right now, I just can't get excited about Neil's existential crisis, the remake of the classic 1942 Heparin and Tracy film Woman of the Year, or architectural digest rejection of Eddie Shepherd hut. Just give me more of Anatrogorans avenging defender. And why does it feel like in the English court system Helen is being presumed guilty and has to prove her innocence and not the other way around? And what are these bail houses? I don't believe we have them in America, and I still believe that Helen would be allowed to return home in the States, even with the presence of Henry. I wish we had an American legal eagle to weigh in on this. I must say that I cheered for Tom when he punched out Jazar. You know, I've never been a big fan of Jazar. His constant belittling of others reflects his own low self-esteem, but I don't give him a pass on the things he says. It was an interesting pairing this week of Jazar and Susan's gossiping. Perhaps we should examine our own gender bias. We, the listeners, are quick to criticize Susan's malice, but Jazar always seems to get away with it. On the other hand, Susan probably wouldn't have gotten a sock in the nose from Tom. My dear dog has just barfed on the living room rug, so I better take care of it. It's Witherspoon and Angus Haggis signing off. Talk to you next week. We have BS before stabbing, uh, A-S-S. I know where you're going with this with a spoon. I disagree. I'm forever disagreeing with with a spoon. I'm sorry with a spoon. I love the fact, I love the fact that we're now having flat episodes that where I don't have to go lurching to the, to the, to the kitchen work surface in Terra because we've gone back to gaslight cottage. I love it. I love it that all the tension has now gone. My head is now, there are big parts of my brain that have not been opened up to the archers for a long time. I am now worried about Neil's blooming eggs and the shepherd's heart and whether or not Linda will burn it down. And the fact that they get that the eggs suggested to paint it in matte black paint, and I think that will probably be flammable or something. Um, and yes, I, I, I'm loving it, and I'm actually still feeling that somehow, although it's awful, Helen is safer in prison than she was when she was with Rob. Um, and so I feel like I can't do anything about it now. Because clearly I could do something about it when she was with Rob. Um, but yes, it all just seems so much nicer now. And I'm enjoying it a lot more. And I've been much more cheerful this week because it's broken. It's like a storm breaking. Because she's behind bars. Yes. Yes. Seriously. Yes. Because a woman has been traumatized. Uh, is behind bars. What's happened? I hate tension. I hate knowing a thing and the other people don't know the thing. Like, just his substances is the same. She feels the same. Yeah, you ask her. Um, and yes, Jazza is, was behaving like a bit of a dick, but his belittle, and as Susan said, he's only saying what everyone else thinks. Uh, you know, he's just saying what, he's just saying in his way what Peggy Woolly thinks. Um, but it, Jazza, part for me, part of the, the humor and the love I have for Jazza, the humor of Jazza and the love I have for him is that he doesn't take Ambridge seriously for a second. You're still clicking Royfield and I'm going to drive over to wherever you are and punch you in the bush unless you stop. Um, he, Jazza was brought up in a poverty stricken family with alcohol and drug abuse and God knows what in a high rise. And he comes to this little rural idl and he is hugely amused by their problems in inverted commas apart from Helen, which is a genuine problem, obviously. But, you know, about who the window boxes and know the flaring produce and who's going to win this and the win that and, you know, he finds it all funny in that Jazza's us. Jazza is us. Jazza is snarky and cynical and Jazza is the artist Twitter feed. Um, and that's why we love him. But Jazza isn't quite you because you understand this world. We're so just Jazza. I mean, he's lived, he lives in it. No, but it was like seriously. No, he doesn't take it seriously. But you understand the new ones and the rhythms of it. And you described him growing up in a world which was very alien to Ambridge and the world that you grew up in was Ambridge. Yeah, more and more Ambridge, yeah. But maybe from an urban perspective, when you look back at Ambridge, that's what Jazza is. All right, maybe. Oh, you're still clicking. Yeah, come on, Ran and punch me in the mush. Hi, it's Susie from Wisconsin, just calling in to say really quick that meeting Anna Trigorin makes me want to join Carol's coven even more than I did before. And now we're on to email her. Oh, good. All right. Now we have one from a virtual Villeen. Now, we're not allowed to say this person's name because this person is, um, well, I'll explain why in the message. She said, hello, you too. I'm a long time lurker, but first time emailing her. I have been listening to the artist since childhood because my mother listened every day. I guess I just absorbed it. I am a diplomat. So when I'm overseas, it provides a real slice of home, not sure my career experience in international relations is going to be of use to dumpedy-dumbers, but do feel free to call on me if Ambridge becomes the center of a geopolitical crisis. That's why I am bridge is always at the center of a geopolitical crisis. It's one big geopolitical crisis. I'm prompted to email in for the first time, not because I've got insights on current plot or any complaints, but because I have a question for you and your listeners. Misogyny and knife crime are popular themes in games of thrones. So in honor of the upcoming season six, I would like to know what you and your listeners think the sigil and words would be for the families in the archers. For example, Aldridge, uh, sigil, a pile of gold resting on a herbal lay and the words are we reap what we sow. Uh, the bridge farm archers, sigil, an organic bridge squashed by an angry ball. And the words were we blind? Um, and Aldridge, junior sigil, a yurt set against a backdrop of backdrop on blue sky and fluffy white clouds. And the words ask daddy and you shall receive. I do think Kate Aldridge is probably a very game of thrones type character. She's who's that crazy one? Is it so what's she called? Cersei? Oh, the mother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's just like Kate. I think I even imagine Kate looking a bit like that. Which kind of does actually. Yeah. So then you're saying that Kate has basically had sex with her brother. So that would be Chris. Well, who knows that would be what made Chris lose his ability to speak. The shock. Hang on. What are you talking about? I said Adam. Sorry, Adam. Oh, blimey. That would have been a shock. And yes, I was thinking of Chris because yesterday Simon was playing Christopher Cross. And I suddenly thought of Chris on the cross and you going Chris Cross, everybody jump when we did the podcast and then thinking where the hell is Chris? Chris and Alice, we've not seen them for years. Have we? Kind of in these black Smith's forge. Yeah. And he's apron and now tells. But where is he? We just said Lucy. We've just said in his Blacksmith's forge. Yes, but he's not though. Is he? Nobody's been to the blacksmith for yolks. No one's mentioned it. We haven't even had Oh, I've just had a chat with Chris and he said get out before or anything. Is you know, not a Soswaj. Right. Next one, Andrea Melling, Pat subject, Pat and Tony are morons and terrible parents. I think we know why you're going with this, Andrew. I think you may have given it away. They are trying to they are in fact supporting her abuser without bothering to establish facts. They also still haven't told Peggy. They're also mine. That's me, not her. They're also mind-numbingly dumb. They have been told Rob is violent and they know that their previously gentle daughter was moved to Stanford the presence of Henry and have been told by Henry that he's reliving being chased by an ogre, but they can't figure out that Rob might have been attacking Henry. The icing on the cake was their plan to send porcelain which had Henry back to school with a load of ridiculous lies in his head. The face broke full of tabloid briefed classmates. Won't know which had Henry right now. Yes, Rob. Why don't you imagine Zandy have a field day with your mummies a psycho who will be locked away forever? Also, my mum told me to stay away from you because you're a psycho's child and clearly not right in the head yourself. What they should be doing is telling Henry that the police won't let Mummy come home because they don't know that Daddy was mean to Mummy and that he can help Mummy by telling the police about anything Daddy has done to upset him or Mummy. Henry is facing being under Rob's control if the truth doesn't come out. So he really needs to get on board with telling what he knows even though he's a bit dim. His future is on the line and he needs help in realising this. He's five. He's five. Come on, Henry. He's five and sound effect terms two and a half. Yes, I think he's a little bit small to understand that his future's on the line, but I'm really not sure. I agree that Pat and Tony, they just don't know what the bloody other play now. Tom seems to be the only one who's kind of being remotely sort of sensible with Henry, but all he does is just want the past to go, you're right, Henry. Yes, right. And off he goes again. Well, that's a nice pink, Henry. What have you drawn? Oh, yes. Look, Mummy's stabbing Daddy. That's lovely, yes. Well, um, and she also did her dream ambushed in a party. She said her favourite character is tricky, but if Usha took me on as her new tenant of Blossom Hill Cottage, once she'd given it a quick wipe down, the people I'd invite for my householdman would be Jim for the chat, Ian, because he could do with a night out, Brian. Yes, where is Ian? Ah, Brian, because he'd bring a good bottle of clunk, Sabrina, also for the chat, Lillian, obviously, and Elizabeth in hopes of returning invite. Also, I might buy Alice, Chris, because it would be good to catch up. And if anyone's got an address for him, Matt, in case, a nice dinner of poached salmon and apple pie, and a few glasses of Brian's wine would get him back together with Pusscat. Oh, yeah, not sure she'd have him, but anyway. She's so would, you know. If he came back, she absolutely would have him back. Oh, yes. Right, and that's it. End of email, are in errors. Oh, you have a forensic scientist that we're talking to? We do, we do. She's like properly big in the world of blood spatter. And so, yes. So now, let's go over to her. She's somewhere in Southampton. The successful failure of any criminal investigation often depends on the recognition of physical evidence left at a crime scene and the proper analysis of that evidence. Crime scenes that involve bloodshed often contain a wealth of information in the form of blood stains, the pattern, size, shape, and the location of such stains may be very useful in the reconstruction of events that occurred, especially if they occurred in blossom hill cottage. So, was that, in mind, that dum-dee-dum listener, an all-round clever bod, the scientist from Southampton contacted me on the twitters with some vital evidence. How are you, scientist? I'm well, thank you, and yourself. Yeah, not too bad. But before we get into all of that, how does somebody become a blood spatter expert? Mostly, you would study sciences at school, possibly go to university, particularly these days, you would get a degree and then get a job with a forensic science provider. Okay, so I'm imagining that in Southampton, it's a bit like Miami Florida. The sun shines all the time. You work in the police department and you kind of like hang out with like Dexter. Would that be an accurate portrayal of your day-to-day job? As you might imagine, I don't watch too many of the tele-programs and Dexter, I think, is a murderer, so I wouldn't hang out with him. It's very good at determining, like, blood spatter. Oh, okay, maybe he is. No, I don't watch those sorts of things and typically the crime scene investigator would attend a scene, so you might have somebody collecting evidence, so somebody might go to Blossenhill Cottage and rather like Harrison did realise that they need somebody else to be there. And then a scientist, a specialist, might be called to go and look at the scene separately from the crime scene investigator, who would be perhaps collecting evidence of a scene. Very simply, what does the examination of shape and the location of the patterns of blood stains kind of tell us, in terms of rudimentary, what has actually happened? You know, what can we determine? What would you determine from the blood splatters of Rob Tichina all over that kitchen? So really, there are lots of different types of blood spatter. Most of us will have experience of cutting our finger or having a nosebleed and we know that blood travels quite easily. If it's falling just from maybe a nose bleed, it might fall onto the floor or onto other surfaces and leave nice big fat round stains. If it continues to drip into those wet spots of blood, it might make secondary spatter, so little smaller spatters that would be from the result of dripping blood. If someone punched me in the nose, and caused my nose to bleed, I hope nobody does, but if somebody did, and then they continued to punch me because I was really annoying, then that spatter might move around the room rather than fall on flat on the floor. Does that make sense? Absolutely, absolutely. And interestingly, you called it blood spatter because that's actually how you gave me a bit of a slap round the chops metaphorically, didn't you? So for the good listeners, there's lots of posters out there that say it's spatter, not splatter. So spatter refers to more the small types of blood droplets, whereas splatter might be, for example, a large amount of custard falling on the floor, which is very apt for the whole scene in blossom hill cottage. That's right. Okay, so this is what we kind of think that's happened in our mind's eye. Helen has given Rob a stab in the guts. He staggers, and then there was a second time where she kind of went in with the knife again. So knowing that, could we kind of work backwards, and could you tell us what the distribution of blood would be, what you would expect to see? That's a really good phrase. A lot of the time the scientists would consider what might I expect to find if this is what's happened, and the scientist often isn't writing the story. They're considering what the science or what the staining might look like, given what the prosecution says versus what the defense has said. So they're considering the likelihood of the findings all the time. In a stabbing situation, you might not get a lot of actual spatter, because if you stab somebody, they might not bleed immediately, and they might be incapacitated, so they would bleed from their wound, and then each spatter that you see would be, like you say, as a result of either them moving around, or somebody moving around in any blood that's been shed. We know that Rob was lying on the floor, and that's the reason why Helen thought that he was dead, and she does say to Henry, or she did say to Henry, "Daddy is just having sleep." So there's going to be a pool of blood. I'm presuming that that would have gone over a lot of the blood spatter, or would you still be able to determine things from a pool of blood over spatter? You're right, if there's quite a large amount of blood shed over any spatter that's there, then it can be quite difficult. Blood spatter can travel quite a distance, but I perhaps might not expect to see lots of spatter at a stabbing scene, and similarly, I guess he was wearing clothing, or he might have been wearing clothing when he was stabbed, and so his clothing might have absorbed quite a lot of blood, so there might not be as much as the television leads you to believe that there might be. Okay, would you be looking at the evidence on the floor on various surfaces to determine if there was any kind of struggle, and then also you'd be looking at their clothes as well, I take it, and also Helen's clothes. Yes, and Kirsty's clothes were recovered as well, weren't they? Because she was present at the scene, and so the police and the investigators have to consider that actually Helen and Kirsty might not be telling the truth, and they might have worked together to elicit his fate, so it's important that they keep an objective mind, and certainly the scientist has to keep an objective mind, but the scientist would also consider blood on other items, so there was talk quite quickly of the marks and finger marks on the knife, so the marks in blood on the knife could be quite interesting, but bearing in mind that the fingerprints might not be very useful on items in the house because they both live there. I know you're not a lawyer or a barrister, but looking at the kind of weight of evidence against Helen, do you think she'd go down for a long stretch? It's difficult for us to tell, isn't it, because at the moment she's annoyingly for a listener just saying no comment, so she appears not to be trying to help herself. I'm hoping for her sake that other people step up to the fore and support her to support what's actually been going on. We're in the privileged position of hearing what's gone on behind closed doors, whereas obviously in real cases like this, that's not often the case, so it'd be nice to see Jess turning up and maybe Ian realising what's going on. There's been hints about the sort of person Rob is, but it's those right people to step forward, but yeah, I mean she's in a sticky predicament at the moment. You're very good, sticky predicament, well done. It is, it is, but you did it. When you've looked at a crime scene, is it very easy then to basically go home and then switch on the archers at seven o'clock, and let's take Robin Helen and put them completely to one side. If you've dealt with a scene where there's obviously been a murder and there's kind of blood everywhere, is it very easy then just to say well this is work and when I go home I can leave that completely behind. I think it's essential really, it's fair to say the question you get most asked when you say what you do for a living is, oh that must be really interesting, but occasionally people say I bet you've seen some really horrible things haven't you, and you know you do get to see the side of the world that most people don't see or only see in a sensationalised or a dramatised way, so yeah I think, I've always tried to think of it as perhaps you're in the position to be able to try and help someone who's had a difficult time or something awful has happened to them, but yeah I think you go, you go completely crazy if you kind of couldn't separate your work from real life or from listening to the archers, I mean I've listened to the archers for as far as I can remember really certainly about more than 20 years whilst living you know away from my family home, but I first started listening because it made me feel like I was at home because my mum was a listener so. And just to get back into the gory business of blood spatter, what else do you generally find in blood spatter, because I'm presuming that if someone gets stabbed in in the guts that's kind of the bowel isn't it, so I'm presuming that all man red nast is a flying out all over the place. I suppose it's possible and I guess it depends on the extent of the injuries, but it's not something I've seen commonly. Okay all right so that's just me with my law rich imagination. You go right ahead. Thank you thank you thank you well this is it's all about painting pictures isn't it and obviously the pictures I've painted about this is just a little bit too vivid, but scientists from Southampton thank you for helping us to understand the forensic science of blood spatter and I'll definitely make sure the next time I do a dumb dumb title which has that word in I won't use the l it won't be blood spatter. My wrist has been slapped. Think of custard. And that's a perfect end think of custard. 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really enjoys teenagers because that's what i do and i don't hear enough of that on the arches so bit boring i know i'm sure the others will come up with something better but until next week whoo i would be ed grundy's love interest really so you want him to be all all naughty behind em is back yes oh you all do you think that your charms could wile him away from her oh no i don't mind she's half the age of you lucie yeah i don't i know it's uh he doesn't have to speak or anything um uh and i certainly don't want him forever or anything like that but just as a kind of a fling really yeah or chris carter hmm so you you've got your kuga boots on the navy yeah or i would quite like to be jim's platonic housemate you know what now you're talking if i was on if i was a character on the arches i would actually want to be um some kind of um academic i know people laugh who could actually hang out with jim and we talk roman history and stuff that would be most excellent i would love that yeah that'd make me happy yeah but i don't know if i'd make a good drama though you just chatting on about roman britain yeah you know the uh the diocletian reforms of the roman empire no you know the you know the the ramifications of the tetrarchy uh no he didn't hear people switching off all over the country royfield at the prospect of that yeah it wouldn't make for good drama uh so i would be i'd hang out with jim loyd and you'd get shagged by chris carter yeah cool in the forge of his apron inspired by doc martens retired psychiatrist ant ruth played with such delicious deadpan by aileen atkins i would be jim loyd's equally erudite but less pedantic and annoying psychiatrist brother who is retired to ambridge i of course would strike up romance with carol thank you for that misspell um lucy yep why don't you hit us with some tweets over the week oh hi then jane bramley peggy seems more upset that helen's missed out on a limo ride than that she stabbed rob multiple times uh paul truman 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mloyd did this week or you can call us on zero two zero three zero three one three one zero five to leave us a telephonic message if your computer is up the fritz now on social media you can find us specifically me where i'm at ryfield or the pair of us we were at dumpty-dum uh sera smith at sera underscore smith harry at at chambridge's or terry molloy at tuckers patch hey um on the book of face where we have some eleven hundred like a lurkers just type in dumpty-dum and then you'll just go find the like a lurkers in joining the fun there and then at that point it's just about the end of the show mr mloyd is there anything you'd like to say to the great british public actually to to the planet because we've got listeners all over the place listen to this thing um anything you'd like to say to the people before you go what you're working it what you're working on now what's happening next uh yeah well i'm i'm carrying on doing lots of um uh big finish audios and uh audio books i'm reading and spending a lot at the moment spending a lot of time chasing around the planet doing dr whoa then so i suppose as avaros would say it is time for the planet to be exterminated thank you very very much terry thank you lucy thank you right fella are you going to be still doing this when you're on the other side of the world then yeah yeah yeah and i'm not going to stop i've done we've done shows with me in toronto we did a whole load of me in san francisco at the start of the year and also last year because i was there for three months so yeah it buggers lucy up um more than me because i generally do it around about the same time it's about you know this time you know nine between nine and ten on a monday but then it means it's four o'clock plus for lucy or so but um yeah but now which kind of beats that i tend to get interrupted slightly more by people going can i have a sandwich or something when they come pottering and up oh so yes so when are you going over there uh two weeks time just less than two weeks so that i fly the 30th of april go to new york um going to be there for four days and actually there's going to be a little bit of a dummy dummy up over there actually um one of our one of the listeners with a spoon who's this new york psychiatrist so that'll be nice and i'll go to toronto see the kids for a little bit um and then i go to my new home which would be san francisco um absolutely well listen thank you for for doing this and i know we've been threatening it for such a long time and uh you know it's it's going to be a good one and um i know that we're going to have loads of extra listeners this week because you're on okay lovely well hello to everyone bye to everyone and hopefully it meets you again on the airways at some point and thank you for having me on your airways and uh all the best with it well you listen well uh you know again thank you and i you're going to be back aren't you? I'm sure yeah and it's you know the more when i was whispering on and then you were talking about the whole kind of Bethany storyline the next editor's got to just say well this is just such a wrong move and you know can drive away for the three of you to come back well that's whoever the next editor's is decision um we'll see how it runs well my fingers are crossed are your fingers crossed Lucy yep good Zanyar all right terry thanks a lot mate pleasure take your help thank you bye bye shepherd's hut what we didn't talk about the shepherd's hut well who cares i know but isn't it nice to be able to not care and i'll tell you what was nice as well for me in that whole thing is that eddie's actually done a decent job because i thought it was going to be some bodge thing you know that's the grumpy well it was three times until she said she wasn't going to pay him yeah but now she's just being stupid about the bloody chimney yeah you know and also it's a grumpy if she'd wanted artisan you know she's lived in the village for long enough to know that you know you're you're not going to get exactly what you want from the grundies because you're going to get you know well like you then just paying up to the stereotype now yeah shame on you shame on it's true come on this is you know 25 years of listening of eddie repeatedly you know but it made no sense put it put in it like that it made no sense that she asked him to do it yeah you know there's rubber doing this fantastic bird spending more time on a bloody trolley for chickens then and more effort than then eddie is on on her flipping well no to be fair to eddie he's done a decent job and every and if linda says eddie that looks really good apart from the chimney of which then ed says just paint it matte black yeah he's done a bloody good job come on now he's got to find someone called matt black to paint it just i do matt black wasn't he a dee jane call cold cut i don't know doctor in the house where a minute i'm gonna have to do your pop culture i'm not that's not my department uh one minute matt oh i'm pop psychology and overblown classical references i am oh yeah yeah basically your geography history and pop culture basically what you're saying is you're everything that's kind of cerebral and high and high culture no history and geography that's pretty cerebral mmm matt backs of photographer from california you'd probably quite fancy him he looks somewhat insipid and white to me what do you mean he looks white you mean he is white insipid and white okay cold cuts i was right matt black cold cut there you go i told you you were you were pop culture hey no flies on you hey no this is old those 55 now wow do you remember cold cut doctor in the house nope oh come on yes the only way is up oh yes i know that no doctor in the house wasn't it wasn't him i got that bit wrong doctor in the house was that weird mash up with the doctor who themed tune house music kind of late 80s but the only way is up it was uh cold cut matt black takes me back all right goodbye see you then bye helen's heart always got damaged she never had much luck with man the wing god of love always managed to pick her wrong one again first into his correct the game keeper he wasn't a barrel of fun correct made a date with the reaper shot himself dead with his gun helen thought i know the answer i must be too fat for a man's developed an eating disorder and let all her family announce she's making proofed her salvation thank god for course it's your blue helen enjoyed its creation and set up a shop for it too alone she could not be contented decided she wanted a brat her parents both thought her demented when she used to sperm bank for that Henry was born nine months later they both lived in bliss for a while helen climbed out of her crater helen was learning to smile up and and we all might have guessed it for helen's just put here to sob her next swine from out of the cesspit who was married and bullying Rob left his wife to wed helen and soon she was pregnant again though sometimes they seem to be dealing or helen was losing her brain Rob molded helen like putty wormed his way into her head told her dresses were slutty and forced himself on her in bed he threatened to send Henry packing later quit work at the shop told her your sanity's lacking and told her you're driving us down cursed he saw what he was leaving Rob was destroying her friend cursed he told helen to leave him and bring this abuse to an end helen screwed up all her courage told Rob he was ruining her life told him i'm ending the marriage rob handed helen the knife no one then helen robbed on her your suicide's much for the best helen grew suddenly bolder stabbed rots and rob in the chest now helen's awaiting her trial and robs in a hospital bed for all of his cunning and guygo Rob might very well end up dead will helen face charges for murder will Henry be put into care will ambridge discover what's further just you then tonight if you dare (silence) [BLANK_AUDIO]
Another mega issue this week - not 30, not 60 but 113 minutes and we welcome Davros to the team in form of Terry Molloy who gives a great run down of his involvement in The Archers since 1973, how the programme process has hardly changed over the last 40 years as well as answering questions from callers, not only about being Mike but also in his other acting roles. Mike and the team recall some of Mike's wonderful moments over the years and he hopes the right story will bring the entire family back to the village.Kosmo is very concerned about Lilian's credit card and will be contributing on Damara's position shortly.Witherspoon seems to be lamenting the quieter stories which are now asserting their rightful place in The Archers and Lucy disagrees and she loves that the tension has gone and she can now worry about Neil's eggs and painting the shepherd's hut. And in theory Helen is much safer now.And a special guest - a forensic scientist from Southampton - who provides much illumination on the blood stain patterns in Blossom Hill Cottage. Blood travels easily and it is spatters (not splatters). It is a question of tying the story of events (prosecution and defence) to the blood distribution found. Stabbing might not give much spatter - merely a pool of blood, but does give Helen a sticky predicament.And do not miss the shepherd's hut discussion after the podcast has finished.Plus the Ballad of Helen and Rob.KosomoOn this week’s episode we have calls from Dusty Substances who’s taking a deep breathBlithe Spirit who’d want Kirsty on her team, Yokelbear who loves Neil getting whipped up about eggsSusie who wants to join Carole’s covenmartin who’s hoping for a Few Good Men, Gillian who has a recommendationWitherspoon who’s missing HelenandLilian who’s been down the pub.
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