[MUSIC] Yo, it was Bap and Sports fans, since I hate this team. I'm Aaron with me, my co-host, Stefan. And we have a very special guest from Seeking Derangements. Hesse Denny, Hesse, hello. >> Hello, Hesse. >> Hello, thank you for having me. >> Of course. >> I'm excited. I love Seeking Derangements. So I say I'm a seeker, because I'm a patron I remember. But I don't know if I'm really a seeker. >> [LAUGH] >> So last year, Hesse, you wrote an article for the de facto about the passing of Rick. I can't pronounce this last name. >> Rick Generat. >> That's right, RJ. >> Yeah. >> Very good. I love- >> Thank you. >> There's a line in it that I love that really resonated with me as a Canucks fan, which was your grandfather used to jokingly call them the Buffalo Losers. >> [LAUGH] >> And it's thick Sicilian accent, but for those Losers. >> [LAUGH] >> It's still urine in my head. >> And we were talking like a twitch chat about your father new Mike Pekka. I think Rob Ray. >> Yeah. >> Right? I'm sure there's all sorts of hockey stuff we can get into. But as a big Seeking Derangements fan, I'll listen to it around the job site all day. I thought of what would I talk about if I was ever on Seeking Derangements? And I'm not queer enough to be on the show, or famous enough. Yeah, my girlfriends buy, so I feel like I'm part of the community. But- >> Welcome to the team. >> Thank you, thank you. There is a, I had an incident with my old company. I worked at the biggest gym chain in Canada when I was 21. And in like 37 years, I think it was at the time. I was the first ever recipient on like, male on male sexual harassment. >> Oh, shit, congrats. >> Yeah, and I felt pretty special about it. >> Well, you're basically gay now. >> Well, this is something I would have called into the show about how it existed in 2011. And I just kinda wanted to read the email that this guy sent me. >> So- >> Okay, yes, please. >> I guess a little backstory, at the gym you do consultations with people. And try and get them to be full-time clients that are training with you for six months. >> Yeah, so you were a trainer? >> Yeah, I was a trainer. And I was a lot smaller than I am at the time. It was like 40 pounds ago, like 10 years of working out. >> Okay. >> I guess you'd say I looked like a twink. >> Okay. >> And this guy came up to me one day in the gym. >> And you were like 23? >> I was 21. >> 21. >> Okay, cool. >> Older fellow comes up to me, small guy, like, whatever. And he was like, hey, I saw your bio, I saw your training style, like I'm really like, looking to get in better shape, like I'm looking for a trainer, do you want to do a consult? So we do a consultation and he had like a really good squat. He moved super well, asked him about it, he says, cuz he did ballet, cool, continue on. I didn't pick up that he was a gay man for like six months. >> Okay. >> I was like, wait a minute, he has like two gold earrings, or diamond earrings. And he's like a man in his 60s in Calgary, like, okay, and single. >> So for ballet, six months, he was doing a pretty good job not harassing you. >> Yes, well, we didn't train for the six months, cuz he said he was putting a spa into his home and he just got back from a dancing cruise in Argentina. >> Okay, and you still hadn't picked it up at this point. >> No, okay, well, I have like ballerinas in the family, like male and female. Like my aunt and uncle, like Matt at like the Danish Royal Conservatory of Ballet. >> Oh, okay. >> Like my, I'm not to say red flags, but I just like didn't perceive. >> Sure. >> So six months later, he hits me up again, and it's like, hey, my basement renos, they fucking, they cost way too much money. It wasn't 30 grand, it was 100 grand, but you're welcome to come over, see the spa, have a protein shake or a coffee sometime, still hadn't picked up that he was gay. >> Okay. >> And we had this promo where you could buy like three sessions for 150 bucks and you wanted to try it out. So we're doing that, we're a few sessions in, like I was watching Doctor Who a lot at the time, and he liked Doctor Who, and he burnt me a DVD with Torchwood on it, which is like a spinoff series. >> Yeah, who was the doctor at that time? >> I would have been David Tennant, right? >> I was David Tennant, yeah. >> Maybe early, early Matt Smith. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Or like he was announced or something. >> Right. >> Anyways, I wake up to an email eight in the morning on a Saturday. Um, um, here, and the following I write to you in the strictest confidence, I hope that this remains completely private. No, it's going on my podcast, there's some work I'd like to offer you to further my artistic endeavors, some extra money in your pocket. >> No. >> I like to draw and paint from photos, and it would be great if you'd permit me to take some photos of your magnificent body. >> Okay. >> I would like to take photos of you wearing only a bathing suit. I can pay you $150 period cash for what would amount to about an hour of your time. >> Not him saying period. >> He didn't say period, but he put down a period, so. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> That's me editorializing. >> Okay, okay. >> This would be a completely private transaction between us. I'll never show these photos to anyone or publish them. You may have copies of any of them that you like in any size that you want. I'm an excellent photographer adept at Photoshop. My intention is to turn them into a work of art. You'll be welcome to see that, uh, see, you will be welcome, so see that when it is complete. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um, is important to capture your fantastic physical development now while you're at your prime. >> Oh my God. >> I hope the fact that I'm a gay man, I hope the fact that I'm a gay man does not intimidate you. I will always treat you with respect. Aaron, please think this over and reply by email or phone for if he puts down his phone number. >> Yeah. >> Um, in the years later, I've seen that he's died, so I guess it wouldn't matter, but still won't read it out. Also, it might be wise to delete this letter. We need not mention it when we meet next Tuesday, but I'd appreciate your answer by telephone or email, respectfully, your friend Ron. >> Oh my God, that fucking, that's crazy. >> And his name is Ron too, and you didn't pick up on it. >> Yeah. >> I wonder if he was up all Friday night, like not sleeping on like, um, I like, I can't imagine he woke up at eight AM on Saturday and said, let me send, I'm so horny right now. >> It's in this email, 749 AM, it came through. >> Oh my God. >> I remember like waking up hearing my fucking blackberry go off. >> Wow. >> Like, oh, what's this? And then being like, so weirded out by the whole thing that I can go back and see when you wake up. Yeah. >> And yeah. >> So I, I feel also like like like a 60 year old, like Ron is like such a classic, like old gay guy name too, I think, like, yeah, it's just perfect. I love it. Two things that jumped out to me, um, this, your fantastic physical development now while you're at your prime was very funny. >> Sure. >> But like, I hope the fact that I'm a gay man does not intimidate you, I always treat with respect. Why'd you tell me to delete the letter and not fucking tell anybody, bro? >> That's crazy. >> Like, if this is, if this was truly like a request from an artist, be like, here's my portfolio of other stuff I've done. >> Yeah. >> Why bring up your sexuality in the first place? Do you know why he didn't send you his portfolio? Because any other pictures he's taken, it's probably gone like, um, oh, why don't you take off the bathing suit? >> Yeah. I've seen enough pornos in my time. >> For sure. >> To know like, oh, $150 for the bathing suit, well, when we go up to 300 and the next thing you're taking a load for those. >> Yeah. He was going to Terry Richardson. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah. >> So I, I walk into the gym, uh, that day, like half the staff would usually work Saturday mornings, and I talked to my boss, who was like 24, right? Like, there's another young dude. He just fucking laughs at me. He thinks it's hilarious. And I'm telling my coworkers about it. Every time I tell them and read it, they just burst out laughing, like, well, fuck you want to do it. I took 150 bucks, man. Like, no, I don't want to. It's fucking weird. I don't need 150 bucks that bad. And so eventually I like, I'll do it. And then one of the co-worker that does it comes into work with a 1,000 yard stare. >> So I, uh, I fucking, I tell my mom about it. And she's like, okay, well, why don't you like bring it to your boss this way and say, if you were like a 21 year old girl, and this was a 65 year old man or whatever, and he was emailing you, wanting to take photos of you and your underwear and saying delete this email, everyone would take a lot more seriously. So despite the fact you could like probably easily beat this guy up, it's still harassment. You still shouldn't have to like train him for his last session. >> Absolutely. >> So, uh, I email him back and basically like, that shant be happening right away. >> Um, I think not good sir. >> Exactly. And he just says, okay. And then I was like still bugging out about it. I'm like, I don't want to train him for his last session. >> Yeah. I don't want to see him anymore. >> Exactly. >> Like, I'm still going to come in by the way, we're still going to do this session. It's not going to be anything. >> Yeah. >> Did you delete the, did you delete the email? >> No. >> Okay, that's fine. But did you delete the email? He says that to you. >> Well, here's the thing. I fucking email it. I'm like, you know what, I don't, I'm not going to train you for your last session. You can do it with my boss or someone, some other trainer. Like, I, I found your proposition like pretty unprofessional and, uh, I feel like a boundary has been crossed. >> Yeah. >> And he freaked the fuck. >> Oh my God. >> Oh my God. >> He said, refund my last session, you are the unprofessional, it was solely a request from an artist. >> Oh my God. Come on. >> The guy that, like, I'm a guy that grew up getting into fucking forum, like you, not quote tweet, but you like quote the forum post, and I was like, yeah, break apart all their things. And I was like, wanting to point out his logical, uh, fallacy is about deleting the email. >> The bio logic. >> Yeah, and, uh, he like threatened to go to the media about it. And we got like the head HR guy from Good Life to like talk to me on a phone call who said I was the first time this has happened, like guy on guy. >> That's, that's so funny, threatening to go to the media. Like what is he expecting? Like a fucking like BuzzFeed style, like I sexually harassed a twink on, uh, you won't believe what happened. >> And they will give me my $50 back for my last session because I'm a gay man. >> And I mean, that email is so incriminating, I feel like it's so embarrassing. There's no case there. It's like, so I, what HR said, what eventually happened is, um, they're like, yes, you did everything right. Like all your responses were very professional. You took the right course of action. Good job. We're not going to like ban his membership or anything because we would be worried about like, you know, CBC getting a hold of it and saying like, good life, fire to guy for, uh, like sexual discrimination because they don't have the full context. And then this fucking guy has kept coming to the gym for like years. >> Oh my God. >> And he was just like walk away on the elliptical machine at a time. >> Uh, did you ever kind of training? Did you deal with them? >> Yeah. >> Very basic. Like this is how you do a squat. This is a push up like very sound resistance stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. I just resistance training type stuff. >> Did he try to talk to you afterwards or? >> No. >> Okay. >> Uh, yeah, I, I did have people that didn't, that it hurt the story, but didn't know who the guy were say like, that guy just, he gives me the creeps. And then someone was like, oh, how do you think Aaron feels? >> Yeah. >> And just, just had a creepy energy about him. >> Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Good time. >> That's, that's incredible. I just remembered that happened to me on Twitter once. >> Oh, nice. >> Oh, wow. >> Where someone DM'd me and was like, I'm very professional. I take very tasteful photos of transgender women and I, tasteful nudes and I'll pay you like, it was something ridiculous, it was like $50, like, nice. And I was literally just making fun of him. I would just reply being like, yeah, man, for sure, $50, sounds amazing. And then he sent me his portfolio and it was like disgusting photos. I was like, this, you're disgusting. These photos suck like, you're a creep. >> I do think when someone, when someone goes out of their way to say that what they do is tasteful, it's going, it's not going to be tasteful at all. >> Yeah. This guy, this guy was even worse because he was like, you know, it can be tasteful if you want. >> Right. >> But, but. >> It could be nasty. >> It could be nasty. >> Right. >> It could get real nasty. >> Okay. >> Oh boy. >> Let me see if I can find it if Twitter isn't working. >> Now, how does it feel? You're the only one that has been harassed? >> No, I know. I think the clearest thing about me is that I don't know how to drive, but yeah. One thing I felt from having that happen to me is this must be what women go through all the time. >> Like every day. >> Every day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, it's, it's, that's rough. >> Yeah. >> We're definitely harassed. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> I did just re-activate my Twitter account this morning, briefly, and then deleted it immediately. >> Okay. Just to keep it active. >> Just to keep it active. >> Yeah, I'm considering, I'm considering just locking it because like when we're trying to get like sponsorships and stuff for the stream, it's like good to be like, okay, well, here's my account that has like 100,000 followers or whatever, right? Like even, even if it's on Twitter still, but it's just, I, oh man, I just can't fucking post there anymore. It's so bad. >> I, I love being a locked account now. >> Oh yeah, you're locking, aren't you? Yeah. >> Yeah, I never have tweets leave containment, so I get like annoying replies or like quote retweets that I can't see, it's just like people that aren't following me because they know who I am. >> Yeah, that's nice. >> So, you don't care about promoting anything or, or going viral anymore. >> Yeah. >> Well, I mean, I care about promoting the podcast. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Make sure to resubscribe on Spotify because we, we switched podcast hosts. >> That's right. >> But like, I love your podcast. >> Thank you. >> So yeah, Hesse, you said you knew you had an encyclopedic knowledge of the sabers up till like 2005, 2006 era. >> Yeah. >> And they were like just about to get really good again. >> They were such a fun team. >> And then go to complete dog shit. >> They were so fun. >> They were amazing. I was actually at the, I, we had like three rival teams. Our rivals were the maple leaves, the senators and the, the flyers. >> Yeah. >> And it was like, so all those games got so heated because all those teams were really good, I think, except I think the maple leaves weren't. >> Yeah, they were like, okay, that was when they started to really start signing like old guys that were like washed and passed their prime. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like Darcy Tucker or is that a little bit. >> That was around Darcy Tucker, although I think he went to Colorado around like, oh, so there was. >> Yeah. >> I mean, like the, the Flyers had the Heatley brothers, I think. >> The Flyers had had our, I remember the same. >> Darion Hatcher. >> Hatcher. >> Yes. Darion Hatcher. >> The sabers. >> The sabers thing I remember is, is the Brian Campbell hit on RJ Umberger where he basically like sent him into the chattel realm and like, yes, just like, open ice in the middle. I was at that game actually. >> Oh my God. >> It was like, oh, playoff overtime as well. It was crazy. That's like, yeah. >> Yeah. >> I can't imagine being, I was, I was at so many. I was actually at the famous sabers senators brawl when I was 10 years old. >> Oh my God. Wow. >> Okay. >> Where Ray Emery just beat the fuck out of Marty Baran because he's like a former boxer. So as soon as the brawl started, it was so cool. Ray Emery took off his helmet and he had the biggest, like, fuck you grin on his face. He was like, so ready to beat the fuck out of Marty Baran who was like, so like heated and just like, ready to go. >> Yeah. Oh my God. >> And you got, my favorite thing about that brawl is you could see Lindy Ruff and the senators coach. I don't know who it was, but they were screaming at each other from the benches and they were screaming over the, like, the ringside press box and the ringside press box, the guy who was in there who called the games was Rob Ray. >> Yeah. >> Like one of the most famed and prolific fighters in the history of hockey. And so he's standing like awkwardly, like just staring forward with a mic as the two coaches are screaming and everyone's fighting around him. And you could just see he wanted, oh shit, I kind of want to get in there. >> Rob Ray's the guy, I remember where the fan jumped on the ice during a game and came over to the bench and Rob Ray just grabbed him and like, like, killed him basically, just like beat the shit out of him. >> That's one of my, one of my favorite, like, hockey things ever is the 11 fights between Rob Ray and Ty Domi. >> Oh my God. >> They, like, and it started becoming like a big, grudging respect formed between them where they knew they would be fighting every time and, like, Ty Domi kept losing, but Rob Ray kind of respected that he kept, like, fighting him. >> Yeah. >> Because how, was Rob Ray pretty tall or was he, because Ty Domi- >> No, he's a short guy. >> Okay, yeah, because I know Ty Domi is quite short as well. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I miss that type of player. He's really short, like, thick, kind of like- >> Yeah, six foot 220. >> Yeah. >> And the, like, the brawl started, apparently the real, the big controversy of the brawl, which I think is part of the reason that they changed the rules of, like, hockey and made it, like, made fighting, like, less tolerable. A lot of it had to do with the sabers, I think, because it was like the sabers and the Bruins I think were the two big fighting teams. The Bruins had Chara, who was both of, like, big, dirty playing, like, heavy hitting, like, an enforcer, but also, like, a really good player, which, but the sabers had, like, a whole line of enforcers. It was, like, Paul Gostad, I think, Patrick Colletta, and, like, a bunch of guys like that, and Rob Ray just sent them out because, um, Ottawa kept doing, like, dirty hits and shit during that game and kept getting penalties, and Rob Ray was just like, I'm putting, like, we're sending out the line that's all enforcers, and I'm just, give, he was, apparently, gave them all players and said, "You take out this guy, you take out this guy, and you take out this guy." And all three of them just went for all these players in the middle of the game, like, right after the face-off. I love it. And it's, yeah, I feel like that just doesn't happen anymore. The last time I remember that happening with the Canucks was against the Flames, and that was when John Torrella was coaching them for one season, and there was just a brawl, like, two seconds in, and everyone on the ice fought, and then John Torrella tried to fight the Calgary Flames coach between periods and, like, get into the locker room. It was incredible. What year was that? 2013? 13 or 14, yeah, I think, yeah. It was that season, 13, 14, so I think it was before Christmas that year, so it would have been 2013. Yeah. I went to Rob Ray's Wikipedia page, I wanted to see, like, what his yearly penalty minutes were like. His first year in the NHL, he had 350 pims, 354 is next year, off the next season, only 211. In 900 games, he had 3,200 penalty minutes. Jesus Christ. And they did crazy. The NHL created a new rule because of his fighting style, because his, like, jersey and shoulder patch would quickly shed, it says, because-- Oh, yeah. --the opponent clutch-- He would always be shirtless by the end of his fights. So then Brad May, who's also a Canucks legend, as well as a Sabers legend, also started doing that. Mayday. Mayday. Yeah. The NHL created a new rule that specifically states that a player who engages in fisticuffs and whose sweater is not properly tied down, and who also loses his sweater completely off his torso in an altercation, shall receive a game misconduct. And it saw this as a direct result of Rob Ray's fighting style and Nicknamed the rule, the Rob Ray rule. That's so cool. You see his first year in the NHL, he had 446 penalty minutes. That's so crazy. That's insane. That's so insane. And, okay, this is actually even crazier, because that was in 74 games. His next year in the AHL, he played 43 games and then played a few games in the NHL as well. And in those 43 games, he had 335 penalty minutes. So he's like... It's like he's spent more time in the box than he spent on the uppies. He was like on pace for like 600 penalty minutes that season. Like I don't know how that's possible. That's insane. Oh my God. He's so cool. He really is. And his fighting style was more like punching than grappling, I think. And he wouldn't like really defend himself either, right? Like he was just throwing haymakers. Yeah. And he would always win even though he would always end up without a shirt or a helmet. And the other guy would just be like fucked up, still wearing the helmet. I'm almost positive he just would like unbuckle his helmet when he knew he was going to get into a fight. Like play the next like minute or two with his helmet unbuckled. It was one of my favorite fights was like the like eighth fight between him and Ty Domi. They both were taking a face off and right when the puck dropped and neither of them even tried to get it, they just started punching each other immediately. I love hockey. Hockey's so good. I will say that that era of Buffalo Sabres contains, I think, my favorite non-conoxed goal in NHL history, which was the goal, Maxima Finneganov scored where he put it between his legs like three times, my favorite player against Tampa Bay. He was so cool. He was so much fun. But that goal was like ridiculous. Yeah. And Buffalo like obviously as like as like Canucks fans, we were like basically the same team essentially. So like Buffalo was kind of like my second team back then as well. And like they were just so much fun. I love the jerseys, like the goat had jersey and then like even like the buff a slug was like so bad, but I kind of liked it and then like the Sabres as well and like I don't know when the when the slug came out people I remember a big criticism of it was it looks like Donald Trump's hair. Oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah. And it kind of does, doesn't it? God. Yeah. My favorite Sabres jersey is either the the original one with the the just classic white with the like blue Buffalo like in a circle on it with like the two cross swords. Yeah. Yeah. And then but my absolute favorite is the alternate jersey where it's just totally red. And there's like a black circle with two crossed Sabres in the middle. Yeah. Oh yeah. Nice. Yeah. And I'm so glad that's like one of the sickest jerseys ever. They brought the the black goats head jersey back and it's it just looks it looks so good. It's just such a nice jersey. I'm looking at this. I love it. Yeah. They call it the butter knives alternate jersey because it just has the two swords. And then across the bottom like by where your belt would go it says Buffalo across it. Yeah. And the goats head when they when that was like originally I remember whenever they scored a goal there were goats heads like on the Jumbo Tron and steam would come out of their noses. Oh, sick. I love you to strike bowling exactly that they were so fucking good in like oh six oh seven. It was amazing to watch. I you know Danny Brier, Chris Drury, a fun again on commonville I think was he on the team at that point. Yes. Tom and Bill Thomas Vanick Ryan Miller in goal. Truly a dream team. It was a great team. Yeah. I'm looking at the roster right now. Derek Roy. Hecked. Brian Campbell. Yeah. Kota Leak. Colina and Tepo Newman in Wow Drew Stafford Paul Gosta Stafford Stafford has another one of my favorite goals one of my like favorite saber's goals where he was like on on a breakaway and just went like full like imposs or no it wasn't a breakaway because there were like four people in front of him and he just like dangled dangled all of them and just top shelf like bar down. It was so sad. And I love when it's a player like that who scores goals to like it's not necessarily a guy you would expect but they just score like the same goal out of nowhere. Yeah. What a one time one time I went with my family on vacation like around that time my family went on vacation to the Bahamas. We went to Atlantis the the like how was that I always thought that looked super cool as a kid. It was sick. It was really cool and fun. It was kind of like a weird going from the airport to there because it's like oh yeah just like extreme poverty and you just drive through like the most impoverished like third world like place and then you arrive at this like palatial like resort it was kind of evil but like Atlantic City then. Yeah. Um and when we were there we were like getting ice cream at this ice cream place. This is like 2007 the summer and we see Danny Brier oh yeah and I was just like oh my god it's Danny Brier just me and my brother freaking out. It was like what are the odds you know that you run into like the hockey hero the legend like and and he's like a little twink too it was just like so funny. Yeah he's like what five eight five nine maybe like he's he's a small guy right. Yeah. Yeah he's a small guy he has a very um very pale like super kind face um with like the hockey hair. Yeah. Did you talk to him? Oh yeah. We went up he was super nice he took pictures with us. Hell yeah. Oh that rocks. Yeah. When when when I was a kid I grew up in northern BC so I cheered for the Canucks but it was just through watching them on TV I wasn't like in Vancouver and I remember on like the Canucks forums that Stefan and I like met on yeah I know it and since like 2004 from posting on Canucks yeah oh that's sick um the re threads about like have you seen a Canucks player in public what was it like and I would read about seeing like Brendan Morrison at a car dealership or like Trevor Linden at the grocery store and I was like that would be my fucking dream that would complete my life if I was able to see one of these players out and about. Oh I let all the message board rumors about like Dan Kluche running a guy over this car in downtown. Well now living in Calgary like I do see flames occasionally yeah I saw Chris and have gone into a diner in Kensington a couple years back on New Year's Eve we went to the the New Year's Eve like hockey game and we're like walking around downtown like looking for a cab back home and I saw Tyler Tifoli almost hit some pedestrians okay turning left and not looking for pedestrians crossing yeah mm-hmm I was in this nightclub when I was like 19 in university called Tantra used to be the spot in Calgary and I was shaking my thousands nightclub yeah I was shaking my booty on the dance floor and you know it's like a 19 year old guy does where you're like kind of with your homies but you kind of also want to like dance with a girl so you're like kind of rubbing up that but not really yeah but you're like too afraid to like make a move so I'm doing that move and three Canucks because I guess they played like a preseason game it was Willie Mitchell Alex Burroughs and Kyle Wellwood all walk by like an arms with the way for me and I was still like a massive Canucks fan at this point I'm like I should talk to them like wait no I met a fucking nightclub they're like probably here to get pussy yeah they don't want like a teenage boy running up and be like I sure love when you guys score girls I hope you win this year like what do you even say to an athlete because if it's a musician or something or an actor whatever where you enjoy their art I feel like there's more to it than say like I love it when you shoot the puck yeah I yeah with Kyle Wellwood we had him on my my old hockey podcast real good show in like 2015 or something or 2014 around then and he told my one of my favorite stories which was we asked him like what was your like best memory in the NHL and he's like oh it was it was the night Matt Sundine scored his 500th goal for the Canucks or for the for the Leafs and we were like oh yeah that was that was like pretty cool huh like it was an overtime winner like being there for that in the stadium must have been nuts he's like yeah but that's not why it was my favorite it's because afterwards he like came out to the club with us and he never comes out and he paid for everyone's drinks oh that's sick yeah so that that's what he was like most stoked about was like getting wasted with Matt Sundine oh that's amazing I've been it's the summer so I'm like kind of starved for hockey content so I've been listening to this podcast called missing curfew with two former NHLers Shane O'Brien yeah who was like a fuck up on the Canucks and got like suspended by the team for a game or two for like partying too much and missing practice and missing and literally I mean that's like yeah they got the name and Scotty up shawl who played for like a bunch of teams he was a journeyman yeah and it's interesting because you get to hear like what a dumb NHL player thinks yeah I'm sure like the very upper echelon like when you're the best of the best you're like a Conor McDavid or something right yeah we're your quick use who quit drinking for the entire NHL season because you wanted to be a better hockey player yes you were like Nathan McKinnon who's like a fucking like psycho about you're like incredibly serious but I I get why like people that are really good but playing in the bottom of the lineup yeah and they're like stupid hockey players yeah are only concerned about pussy yeah and that's what this guy is saying for his entire show in every tells a story they're like there's this clip from it that I watched where he was in Calgary and you know how they have like the NHL equivalent of cheerleaders where they like scrape off the ice and like yeah spandex suit with like the shovel or whatever yeah yeah yeah the ice girls so Shane O'Brien was in Calgary with the Canucks they were up to nothing and the ice girls are shuffling off the ice and he's still out there and he hits up one of the girls being like hey come to Cowboys tonight like after Shane O'Brien we got a table and Elaine Vino the coach fucking heard him oh no and was like shit what the fuck are you doing focus on the game and was super pissed off and then the flames come back and tie it to two and so Shane goes from thinking he's gonna like pick up this hot girl at Cowboys to be now being in like the dog house and he said yeah thank God Hank and Danny pulled together two goals in the third period we win four two I have a great night but that was a close call that's so funny they that's so funny another funny thing about this podcast is let you know how we'll do the bit about calling Twitter x.com the everything app yes mm-hmm they were taught say someone one of them said Twitter and then they couldn't so I was like no acts like he wants the man like I guy so cool oh my god like they're doing the the X bit non-ironic yeah hank hank and Danny is that the sedine yes yeah so cool yeah they were cool I'm trying to think of the Vancouver who I know on the Vancouver lineup back then it would have been like you know Todd Bertuzzi route all route to was one of my favorite ones growing up uh Luongo yeah mm-hmm yeah great goalie great great Goldman yeah um who else fuck um I can't remember not Fonuf was Calgary yeah but route to route you did have that famous moment with Fonuf where uh which is like maybe the funniest hockey moment I can remember where uh Fonuf wanted to fight and so route to like faked throwing his gloves off and Fonuf threw his gloves off and as he did it route to reached up behind him with his stick and like yanked on his skate and he just went like ass over T kettle backwards flying his gloves whenever it was like so yeah there's there's there's a clip in the watch it yeah this is from like 2004 to the dark over to what a name he's he's so funny to me because um off ice just the classic like yeah just the classic like finish player like very soft spoken wore glasses just looked like this kind of like nerdy guy and then on ice was just like a total menace and I think it was in I think he wrote uh an autobiography and he told a story about like something he said to Sean Avery that was so bad that his coach was like like essentially what you just said was like a war crime like what are you talking about you can't say stuff like that to other players on the ice and just hearing it in his like in his like thick finish accent too like I sort of missed that era of like really crazy finish players I feel like we don't get them as much anymore but like they were you had route to and you had um the guy would like the really big toothy smile who played for Calgary uh Billy Neimanon uh oh yeah who just looked like a shark um and I just I just missed that that era that era was so much fun it really was evil I love an evil European player yeah we had our we had Tempo Newman in but he was kind of a good guy yeah he was a very respected like beloved yeah older guy yeah yeah he was old when he was playing he played for us for so long yeah cuz he played for a Winnipeg he played for Winnipeg and Phoenix for a while as well I think uh and was like beloved over there but yeah you'd Satan too oh mere slush yeah that was my dad's favorite player his son just got drafted this year so I feel so old like I just can't we're definitely at the point where like all the players we grew up watching um their kids are getting drafted now like I mean a gimla's kid got drafted this year and I I'm Jerome again that's another he was on Calgary too right yeah oh yeah yeah he dragged him kicking and screaming to the cup finals and uh was it 2004 were they probably five on the cup in game six but the goal got called back and then they get a little bit hot right um yeah he's a good looking dude yeah oh yeah um Jarco Ruto yeah you said he wrote a book and I was like oh that's cool I wonder what that's all about and I googled it at every googled result is about a racist prank in the penguins locker room yes there's something with that too I think yeah this is this is fucking crazy it's with um it's with George LeRoc I think right yeah yeah so okay um in his story uh he tells how one day after practice LeRoc stormed into the locker room absolutely furious threatening to trash the place players gathered around in the rock showed a pitcher pinned at his locker room stall a drawing of a monkey with a banana oh my god George LeRoc of course is a black guy yeah so of course everyone started to freak out a bit worried that this could destroy the team LeRoc demanded to know who did it and after a while Colby Armstrong stepped up admitted he did it so this is kind of crazy cause Colby like he is on TV all the time yeah he's like there's this ad that played all last season of Colby is like for an insurance company and it's Colby Armstrong centerized with a bunch of nine-year-olds and he's like who should we honor with a silly today and they'll be like my mom she's the hardest working club admin or like the janitor at the hockey rink and they like go do a flying V or they get on one knee and pretend to shoot a bow and arrow with their sticks like you cannot avoid him and fucking commercials about hockey the article goes on others wanted to know why he would do such a thing Armstrong replied what do you mean he is an N word isn't he oh my god whoa LeRoc just snapped and attacked Armstrong and others tried to break them up worried someone might get seriously hurt but suddenly it ended with Armstrong and LeRoc laughing it was just a prank albeit a bit over the top what I suspected anything that these guys had acted their part so fine but it was a hoax oh like they were pranking everyone else that's fucking insane that's so that's such a dumb guy idea for a prank yeah let's pretend we're racist Oh my god that's so crazy that's why I do think sometimes about how the how racist the NHL like it's got to be the most one of the most racist for sure yeah um one of I I actually went to high school with um one of the sabers players I think he um Justin Bailey oh yeah he played for the Canucks briefly oh yeah yeah yeah um I went to high school with him um he was like a year older than me yeah but he was like he was a really cool guy um and he's also really hot I had a crush on him in high school I just see that he's a good guy yeah I feel like I remember whenever he was on the Canucks he didn't play that much but like um whenever they would interview him he was like he was like a really good interview uh yeah I think he went to Harvard I think he got a scholarship to Harvard yeah yeah he was really smart uh yeah he played um games with the Canucks over three seasons including like all the lockout ones I could think he was a uh one of those where they call him shuttle players or whoever yeah um his best season 14 games zero goal zerosis six points yeah yeah he played for three seasons oh sorry six pims yeah yeah minus five yeah he did not scoring a single point in his 19 games with the Canucks all right P well he was good in the AHL yeah he's a very good AHL player I think he played last year as Santa as a he got 14 points in 59 games so he's kind of making it in the worst team of the league yeah that's uh yeah that's cool I a lot of kids that I I went to like a hockey high school so a few kids that I went to high school with made it to the NHL yeah I'm trying to think of um there's one more that I can't remember his name Sean something did he play for the sabers or did he play yeah he played for the sabers but he he turned down like a full scholarship to Harvard to play um to play in the NHL and I think he played like one year and then I think he just went to Harvard is it Sean Malone yeah Sean Malone okay I just looked up Buffalo Saber Sean yeah it was Sean Malone okay yeah I think he's playing in uh Switzerland right now yeah oh okay but he was playing he was playing for Rochester for a while as well like in the AHL my my high school like hockey was like the varsity sport and I remember I was like kind of a loser like nerd but not really like I had a ton of friends like um like you know didn't really get bullied even though I was kind of Queenie and like gay and just like did drugs like um all the time yeah but I was friends with all the hockey guys and they would all be like uh it was it was kind of funny just like talking to them they're like you're you're kind of crazy Denny that rocks yeah it's good that you're able to like earn their respect by being by being psycho not psycho but kind of crazy yeah and just being funny I was just like I would goof off and make them laugh yeah that rolls god the saber sir I like I'm just I'm I'm on the hockey DB page and just like remembering like they were they were really just such a fun team um Thomas yeah Thomas Vanek was so good he was like the lead goal scorer I think for a year or two yeah in the NHL he played for the play for the Canucks I was like did he did he play for the Canucks am I misremembering things but he did play for the Canucks for uh part of a season I think got traded but he was like no he didn't he famously not get traded at the deadline no he did get traded I think uh to Columbus for like a fourth round pick or something um yeah oh yeah and we just had to be like oh well that's good enough it's better than nothing better than nothing yeah yeah I remember yeah there was a year where we had to trade like everyone yeah we're like the sabers traded they lost all their good players and we got um Craig Ravey was okay like the new that book yeah yeah he's that's the he's he's friends with my dad he was in a very annoying coca-cola sponsored commercial all last year yes um so I just dislike him for that but was he was he a good like uncle yeah he was cool he was really nice um he asked me for help when he started his podcast oh that's funny he has a hockey podcast too I wonder if that was the podcast that had to be doing fuck it well it is because it wasn't it was him and uh Andrew Peters former server as well yeah another enforcer and it was someone it was there's a third player as well it's the Andrew Peters podcast uh after no it's after the whistle Andrew Peters and Craig Ravey yeah yeah Andrew Peters I remember because um obviously he was like an insane enforcer but he had the one moment where uh I think the sabers eliminated the Leafs from like potentially making the playoffs during the regular season and Peters like went in front of their bench and started golfing with his hockey stick and they got so mad that's so funny that's a great bit though really good yeah man they are they are on their podcast grind dude they they're doing an episode like every day it looks like they've got like 104 episodes in like a year and a half like middle of like end of July July 26 July 25 July 22 July 19 they all released an episode one of them was only 10 minutes long yeah like yeah quick story about Craig's worst roommate experience so maybe they're doing they're doing shorter episodes it looks like yeah but there's like also hour long episodes yeah that's crazy that is I imagine they don't have to do it for money I like that the episode descriptions are in all caps too yeah that's cruise control for cool yeah my um my mom at one point was like um hey I was I had a podcast idea and it was it's the idea is that it's gonna be me and um our friend Michael Pekka and it'll we'll just talk about issues because he's very right wing and I'm very no kind of liberal so I think it would be fun and um I was like yeah I'll help I'll help you do that I don't know if it's a good idea for a podcast I like explained gently to her but thank god Pekka got hired as the assistant coach of the Rangers right we don't have to worry about that oh my god that's so funny yeah I mean it's like so rare for a hockey player to have like even like semi-decent politics like I think yeah the craziest thing like I remember is like Jonathan Taves doing an interview where he's like yeah like we really have to work hard to like combat climate change like it starts at home and it's like you play you're like an NHL player what the fuck like that's cool it's easy he doesn't want the ice to melt yeah I guess so yeah yeah and then like that's like what like we have uh are one of our best players right now Alia's Patterson and I think this is maybe because he's like a Swedish player or not like a Canadian or American player but when he was growing up there was like I might have been like a Turkish friend of his or an Iranian friends friend of his who was going to be like deported I believe yeah so he's going to be deported from from Sweden and Patterson and his friends like all organized a thing to like keep him in the country which is like oh can't imagine most hockey players doing they would be doing the opposite I think probably yeah they would be organizing a deport yeah rally Aaron another beautiful thing about being a sports fan was that Stefan there's only like two days the whole year without a game - isn't that crazy that's so few days without a game it really is with so much happening and so much action that makes just about everyday game day at draft king sports both go and you know what if you're not super familiar with draft kings that's fine it's super easy for first-timers to get started try betting on something simple like just picking a team to win you don't have to do anything complicated go to the draft king sportsbook app select your team and place your first bet it really couldn't be any easier or any simple period that's right now you know obviously it's the off season right now for hockey but they do have some game lines up right now okay for in fact the first game of the year and I wonder if this is the one in Europe maybe if they're doing another one overseas oh that could make sense yeah because it is it is four days before the rest of the games it looks like but we've got the new jersey devils against none other than the buffalo sabers so new jersey is minus one and a half on the puck line buffalo plus one and a half and then you have the money line minus 162 for new jersey plus 136 for buffalo so I mean look you know it's I know it is what days are right now it's August 4th but yes you can actually bet on a hockey game right now on draft kings and if you're new to draft kings you got to check this out new customers bet five dollars and get a hundred and fifty dollars in bonus bets instantly so download the draft king sportsbook app now and use code THPN that's code THPN for new customers to get a hundred and fifty dollars in bonus bets instantly when you bet just five dollars only on draft kings the crown is yours yeah I'm really upset that they got rid of likes on Twitter because one of my favorite things is whenever I learned like the Canucks got a new player that had a Twitter was like looking through their Twitter likes oh my god and it's just like I heinous shit imaginable there's a guy like Connor Garland who plays for the Canucks now I remember looking through his likes and he had liked a bunch of like Glenn Greenwald's more conservative pivot yeah and there's like I mean that's that's at least it's not like Ben Shapiro that's true yeah well there's definitely there's a lot of NHLers who are like full on like QAnon like psych and like will just be like retweeting or like liking all of those posts as well and it's like you just don't I just don't want to know in a lot of the cases because I think the assumption is especially if they're like Canadian or American it's like this guy's like a psycho this guy's going to be completely insane for sure oh totally yeah that actually that reminds me this is a theory that I've been working on that like hockey and I'm probably like more broadly sports fandom is a way to get out like QAnon urges if you're a normal person like so but before the July 1st free agency right yeah there was some rumors that had been like released by like insiders who we can consider to be Q that the Canucks were one of the front runners for Jake Ganswell right yeah and Jake Ganswell being like a top winger in the NHL every Canucks fan every Canucks radio show spent like three weeks just fantasy casting him into the lineup how much money he's going to make how this is going to push the Canucks to the next level all about the same shit about how who's the guy that they think was dead in Q that's always at the rally JFK junior yeah yeah yeah it's like how they talk about JFK juniors how we were talking about Jake Ganswell like close to a month it's it's kind of the equivalent of like the QAnon people being like Ellen DeGeneres has just been executed at Gitmo right yeah it's like yeah the Canucks are going to sign Jake Ganswell and he's going to lead them to the promise line of the cup and we're never going to feel pain ever again yeah and like Jake Ganswell was he like a free agent yeah yeah and then what actually happened was Tampa Bay traded for his rights like the day before free agency and then he decided there like and so like none of that happened at all and we just like all right well back to square one what I think that I think the QAnon thing is interesting because like sports does lend itself to conspiracy theories as well right like as yeah absolutely as Canucks fans and as Sabers fans like Canucks fans have 2011 we have we have all sorts of things and then you know you've got the skate in the crease obviously Brett Hall like this all sorts like and it helps too I think when your team is like and it kind of it does kind of work because I think I think fans of like loser sports teams are sort of similar to QAnon people and that they're just like always being kicked while they're down you know but then they do have that like glimmer of hope that like yeah you know Tom Hanks is going to get his head chopped off one day yeah like your life sucks and it's easy to compartmentalize it as like being a big conspiracy with like the league hitting your specific team not just that is like kind of dolly sucks and isn't all that interesting yeah I mean that's that's happened to the Sabers I think it I it's like after I've really followed hockey like super closely and the Sabers super closely but my brother always has so I remember when like Mick David was going to be a free agent my brother was like yeah like hopefully we can get Mick David we just need to like you know win the lottery oh yeah that was when he was getting drafted I call yeah because yeah you should have by all rights had him was between yeah Buffalo and Arizona and then the dastardly hated Edmonton Oilers saw one the they're like fourth draft lottery or whatever was able to take him I fucking hate you we don't have time to get our hate for the fucking lawyers I hate them so much is that like Vancouver's rival yeah yes uh and they're kind of like the villains yeah everyone hates them like people liked them going into the playoffs like a lot of fans who didn't have to deal with Edmonton fans and Edmonton media and stuff thought they were kind of like lovable losers for a long time but they weren't they deserve everything that they that they have coming to them and like as as Canucks man's they'll like they'll always rub it in because they've won so many cups and everything and the Canucks in ever won and so just like years and years of that and so I think people are finally kind of coming around on hating them so here's how I like to there's here's my elevator pitch for why they're evil and when I explained this to to Alex on stream one day he said that they're just creating fascism by doing this which is yes I like to hear but they had Wayne Gretzky right they won five cups in the late 80s where at least dynasty they call themselves the city of champions okay great you're one champion good call yourself the city of champions well yeah well this is only game in town I think like their their Canadian football league team was good for a while too which is where the genesis of that was but I mean who gives a fuck but yeah they won like five cups right Messier Gretzky grant Fuhrer all them good stuff yari curry and then they sucked for ten years in the two in the like the aughts right yeah and everyone at Edmonton calls it the decade of darkness oh my god cuz they like didn't make the playoffs but they won like four draft lotteries yeah including the corner McDavid one so like you told any sports fan like hey your team will miss the playoffs for ten years straight but at the end of it you will get like the best player of all time on your team forever I think everyone would take that deal yeah and oh absolutely so they they get that right and so when you argue with them on the internet it's well where's your Stanley Cuffs we're so good we're great champions but also we're the most punished franchise out there for our decade of darkness yeah and so it's like you can't have the flavors yeah try being from Buffalo or Vancouver yeah your team hasn't done shit and they don't win the lotteries like it blows yeah um so that's why we hate them and also like they're just the two best uh teams in the division Vancouver and it's in right now so the heaps turned up that much more yeah yeah I that's kind of the the Bruins were the bad guys oh you're speaking at our language too yeah period period I I actually went to high school with like um one of the like kids of the family that owns the Bruins oh wow yeah the Jacobs or yeah yeah the Jacobs and yeah I went to his house one time in the Stanley Cup was there oh my god that's pretty cool did you know what Stanley Cup that was Stefan that was probably around 2011 I believe it was yeah yeah oh my god ripping our hearts up so sorry uh last episode we created a new game show kind of like Price is right yeah but based on player stats and I set up a few rounds uh for Stefan and Hesse to go against each other okay that are all sabers players from like errors that I think Hesse should know or can make educated guesses on but most of them one came up in the show uh pretty pretty uh naturally because I did this yesterday and then most of them also have Canucks ties okay okay so the way it's going to work is there's five categories goals assist shots on goal penalty minutes in salary in millions of dollars okay and okay freeze category you're gonna go back and forth guessing who like what the number of this stat was and then we're gonna see the difference and who wins between each player okay so the first player is probably gonna do terrible but it is just it's just guessing who cares yeah um 1998 1999 friend of the family Michael Pekka okay so okay this was his most productive season and then the NHL um 9899 so that was around the time when was the the finals for Buffalo where they lost with hashing would have been that year um 2001 I 2001 okay so a little bit before that um or 2000 2000 yeah so how many goals do you think Michael Pekka had that year and his most productive season stuff oh um I'll say 34 okay as a I'm gonna I'm gonna say um I'm gonna say 38 38 you both went a bit high oh wow oh 27 okay so it's different seven for seven and eleven for HESSA uh assists step uh I'll say 45 45 okay feel like a few more assists maybe HESSA um I'll say 50 50 is that a lot yeah based on my reaction he had 29 oh my god that was his best season so his best season he was under 60 points um I guess it would be what 56 points uh 7 how many shots on goal oh boy uh I'll say 165 165 that's okay I'm not gonna go high again I'm gonna go 110 uh both went too low that time is 199 oh my god okay it's getting crushed how many pearly minutes um penalty minutes I'll say because I feel like he was kind of a dirty plus he could be somewhat dirty somewhat rough and tumble a little bit um yeah I'll say I'll say 110 okay HESSA hmm I'm gonna say was he the captain that year let me find out sabers captain 98 slash 99 yeah it was Michael Pekka okay and they did go the couple of that year in 1999 okay okay just because he's the captain I'm gonna under I'm gonna undershoot what did you say stuff in a guy I said 110 okay I'm gonna say uh 90 right as it was closer that time it was 81 okay oh and finally how many or how many millions of dollars did he make that year what was his contract oh is he fun to do career it's so tough let's do that let's do that let's do that I'm gonna change my fucking thing okay Michael Pekka do you have his okay you have his career and there's a website that shows this will be easy for me to um it's so tough because he was definitely around when contracts were like kind of going crazy but also like he was around in like the early 90s when they weren't like that knots mm-hmm I'll say can you tell us how many years he played for he played for is it say I still just have to count okay for miss the lockout eight twelve fourteen seasons and fourteen seasons I know he played I would have been my guess he played for the Canucks briefly I know that he started there was not particularly good no 14 years I'll say he made hmm 80 million 80 million okay I'm gonna say 45 million he made 26 million dollars wow I was way I thought I thought he would have gotten one of those like big inflated contracts at one point but I guess not yeah I need to okay this is that when we played last time we didn't have any negative integers so I got a manually oh no oh no this now to see what the but I wonder if Hesse was able to pull it together at the end so Stefan your score was 140 okay and Hesse one penalty minutes might have sunk yeah or sorry the shot single oh that was close because I think I think we both kind of oh shit we both were off on a lot of them yeah yeah okay so the next one Rob Ray oh boy okay this is a nice 1998 1999 season I I think this one was just picked arbitrarily because it was I had the Michael Pekka web page up guess so yeah it has to you go first to this time how many goals do you think Rob Ray scored in 98 99 12 okay I okay that might even be high I feel like he did not score like I'm gonna say he scored like God - you scored zero goals okay let's go games did he play this is a good it was like 60 something oh that's crazy he was unlike that he's unlike the third line though I think he's not unlike he his average ice time was like something like five minutes per night when I looked it up he played 76 that year zero goals Hesse how many assisted he having that that lights out season two I'll say three you guys undersold our boy he had four wow nice oh a company how many shots in 76 at HL games 12 I'm gonna stick with yeah 12 is maybe a good guess yeah I'll say 25 23 oh my god now here's where we can make up a lot of our yeah gap here how many penalty minutes okay okay we talked about this earlier we got we we yeah we knew a couple of them I'll give you a hint isn't his most prolific penalty minute season okay but it's still especially by today standards high as fuck okay okay um hmm I'm gonna say 280 I'll say 310 261 Wow all right career earnings in the NHL this would be based off of three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve NHL seasons okay I'm gonna go um three million dollars okay I'll say to I rounded up here this cuz it wasn't like close to an even number but it was close enough okay so we can keep it I'm gonna say like cuz I feel like he probably had a couple years where he was making like close to a million a year I I'm guessing but also like early on he was probably making like his first meeting he made a hundred thousand dollars yeah exactly so I'll say he made six million dollars that was on the money stuff and it was six well it was 5.75 but nice wow so this is gonna be a close one again there are some negatives because he didn't score a goal yeah so Stephanie you got a 54 okay and Hessa you got a 2 plus 11 plus 19 plus 3 a 47 Hessa wins that round I got I fucked up on the penalty minutes yeah wow cool um beautiful so now I got I got three more if you guys want to power through those yeah absolutely yeah nice or even not so this one's Canucks legend Derek Roy he probably the worst deadline acquisition of all time for the Vancouver Canucks yeah this is from 2007 well actually a former Buffalo saver Mika Norton might actually be worse than that yeah that was also a bad one but um this was his best season where he had sixty five selfie votes for best defensive player in the league okay pretty good pretty good year for this guy so Stefan how many goals I'll say 26 six hasn't okay I'm gonna say 31 32 to an early lead was he had he had a lot of he I remember him scoring a lot that year yeah pretty yeah I was surprised looking a statline like how prolific he was especially for like that era of hockey how many assists yeah Stefan I'll say 41 okay I'm gonna say 52 very close 49 Wow oh shot some gold okay I'll say one one 80 that's good guess hmm I'll say 170 77 picks up a little bit of ground there's 218 holy minutes I feel like he wasn't the type of player to take a lot of penalties it was pretty soft but maybe it would take some like ticky tack like stick penalties and stuff but I'll say 36 okay okay I'm gonna I'm gonna say 90 oh it was 46 oh but we can all make it up here in the salary rounds okay I almost just read it out loud type it so I'm glad I didn't do that okay guesses um how many years did he play I ask a question he played three four five six seven eight nine ten years but this wasn't an era where players made more money yeah okay um I feel like was he like out of the NHL after playing with the Canucks or his last season was 2015 wow okay first was 2006 I'm gonna say he made mmm cuz I feel like he had a he signed like one decent sized contract with Buffalo because he was there for a while and was like good I'll say he made 30 million okay um okay I think that's high um I'm gonna say I'm gonna split that down the middle and say 15 million it was 28 oh so I think good for him yeah no he did well for himself oh it was very like there wasn't like an egregious contract in there it was uh Stephanie had a 64 you just like very solidly made for three million dollars a year every year yeah um pretty pretty underpaid as a rookie given his uh contributions from when I was looking at that and has so 109 but in the first with goals and assists you're only four off which is also pretty impressive I feel like there's a way that we can make that so it means more but yeah I'm not good it's fine Thomas Vanik 0506 okay I know how many goals he scored how many I think um it was like mmm I guess I don't know how many it was like uh this was his rookie season before you guessed so it wasn't like the peak of Thomas Vanik's powers okay okay this one if that helps okay okay um I'm gonna say 36 okay yeah cuz I know I feel like he had at least 140 goal season um I'll say 32 we're 29 that year okay oh uh how many assists uh yeah 25 not 29 whatever I said um he definitely um okay yeah go ahead you can guess first I'm gonna say um hmm I'm gonna go 85 that might be high I I will go feel like he scored more than he got assists potentially but I'll say I'll say 30 assists 23 okay that wow yeah you have like really fond memories of Thomas Vanik yeah I remember him being really good yeah well like let's see what was his best assist season you had 40 in in uh 2006 2007 so like the next season he had 43 goals and 41 assists so okay for 43 I knew yeah you're just like a year off for the next season um how many shots on goal um two uh a hundred and sixty I'll say two fifteen two fifteen it was two of four wow okay only a minute stuck with my um okay this is gonna be low um it's a soft Austin 20 um I'll say 30 72 oh wow oh wow I don't know he must have gone into some dust ups I don't know yeah that was like shockingly high for me yeah and uh finally what was his career earnings he did have some big contracts in there I'll give you a hint this is the biggest one yet so we play from 05 to 2019 so that is eight ten seasons in the age of you got off for sheeted no 708 I remember dastardly philadelphia fliers this year hmm was it the fliers of the oilers I thought the oilers got pen or that year I think yeah I think there's the enter one yeah hmm I'm gonna say 70 million dollars okay that's a good guess yeah I think I'll say 65 it was 69 nice okay that was a very good guess uh by Hesse there but unfortunately I don't have to do the math because the assists were so off seven one that one okay last one 92 93 alex mcgillney so I think this was his best year yeah this was his best year in the NHL it was his fourth season in the NHL and I'll give you a hint he popped off yeah this is fucking massive yeah this is crazy that's mcgillney has is responsible for maybe my favorite Rick Generate uh call which is um uh fuck what was it it was the um who said he's afraid who says this guy's afraid to fly he left a vapor trail yes yeah that was in the article yesterday like I haven't pulled up yeah um because yeah it came out that he uh was a great flying for away games yeah oh boy I want to say I think he's I think he's scored like 79 goals he scored a shit ton of goals that year he went fucking crazy I'll say 79 I'm I'm gonna say 70 77 goals yeah that's fucking god they're so crazy man I know all right don the hockey all think a sis boy I mean he he had just a huge year so assist I think he probably had like 96 assists I'm gonna say 80 assists 76 assists okay man put up a 127 points that year uh that's more than that's more than 127 that's uh no 77 plus 76 it was art I'm a fucking moron alright your guys's guesses were more off I was looking at his games oh okay that is a that is a big club but I was less than and then I gotta change the goals because there's 76 not 77 but I can guarantee this is right his shots on goal and my hint is it's way more than anything that we've seen in this game today oh boy like 290 I'm gonna say 300 360 Jesus Christ oh my god yeah he was firing that fuck jimmy minutes uh I'll say 40 I'll say mmm cuz this was it hmm it was kind of a different era yeah the I feel like it comes between two arrows where penalty minutes were like higher yeah so I'm gonna say but I'm gonna say 50 52 it was 40 Stefan hit it on the Wow okay and weirdly he had 73 penalty minutes the year before and 22 the year after so like okay and but like his first two seasons 16 16 73 40 22 and then like yeah he was below 20 like both his his first two seasons with the Canucks he only liked to mix it up very occasionally maybe from like big line brawls I don't know yeah probably and yeah Mcgillney's career earnings I'll give you a hint here is less than Vanek weirdly but he also started playing earlier where like his first three seasons he made less than $200,000 a year yeah I'll say Lord the amount of he was that that year again it was 69 so the year that he popped off yeah I guess this is a little hint 92 93 he made $750,000 he was the 71st highest played player at the NHL at the time God I I'm gonna I'm gonna say he made because I feel like he signed a couple he had a couple big deals with like New Jersey maybe later on once he got traded there I'll say 42 million I'm gonna say 38 million 38 was 54 okay I'm gonna be a close one I'm gonna have to calculate this okay yeah because I think we were both way off on the shots on goals I feel like yeah and I was way up on the the assist as well so Stefan you hit a 130 okay whenever we were both way off though I think I got it just slightly more sir but yeah yeah but you you hit it on the money a few times yeah on the on the penalty minutes yeah drum roll HESSA with the 123 wow that was close nicely done yeah I mean valuable for the going against the guy with the hockey podcast yeah no series yeah that was intense yeah that's fun I like I was very I'm proud of myself yeah it was very good it's so funny looking at Rob Ray's stats bit 76 games for assists absolutely fucking brew yeah it also interestingly during the the lockout in 2005 or yeah in 2005 McGill me was one of the few players to get paid because he was he had like a hip surgery and so insurance is paying for it oh five and a half million dollars when everybody else got Jack shit so he's played pair in the player in the league that's hilarious no yeah yeah that's funny that's funny considering how little he got paid and the season he popped off like the season he does nothing it kind of like made up for that almost I seem to recall at the time like when he signed in Toronto that he was like an overpaid bum and nobody liked him but it wasn't like a lot of money in hockey terms I guess coming out of the lockout it would have been because there was a hard cap and like salaries were overall lower but he was only making three and a half million dollars in his last season oh his his highest salary season was five point five wow yeah he sort of missed out yeah that's a funny thing about Rob Ray is that he's like he got into all those fights and you think he's like concussed in his kind of like a dumb guy but he's actually a very good commentator yeah for the savers yeah whenever I hear him talk he's like very well spoken considering what his job was on that yeah curfew podcast Shane O'Brien said he would talk to I think it was Ty Domi who was telling him that you got to like start reading books about business and shit and like think about your wife after hockey you got to become like a business man you got to read Atlas shrug yeah no I mean there there are like a lot of hockey guys that I think a lot of them trip kind of transition pretty successfully into like business stuff or like commentating yeah a lot of really good like all the savers commentators I remember were all like former players besides Rick Generat yeah like Mike Robitai you know all those guys yeah yeah like that was the thing about the again the Shane O'Brien podcast he was like I thought maybe I'd become a scout but I didn't really want to do it and now I've started a business with my podcast there's a player that played for the Canucks and for the flames Mason Raymond yeah when like the Canucks went on their cup run in 2011 and he now owns like a a GM truck dealership in Cochran which is like a suburb outside of Calgary I just looked him up on this website and his career he made fifteen million dollars yeah like if you played in the NHL made fifteen million bucks like I'm sure you spent some along the way right but still like fifteen million dollars that you had I would just yeah not own a car dealer I'd just probably hang out yeah maybe work out like he has someone else doing like all of the work I guess but yeah you would think so yeah but like I there was a news article where he said like the lessons he learned in the NHL taught him to be a better boss or whatever so I think maybe he's there sometimes also like once you're making that kind of money though I think you kind of create a lifestyle for yourself where that you kind of it would be hard to maintain for the rest of your life with 15 mil yeah that's yeah yeah you don't want to just like go to like a pretty humble like two thousand square foot house and like a nicer suburb and just live a normal life and not have to worry about it you probably want your multi-million dollar home with a bunch of land and all your other toys shit so and car dealer owning a car dealership more power to anyone who does it but that's got to be like the easiest fucking yeah like the easiest way to like make mil like a million dollars a year you just need the capital to start it right yeah and then it's yeah they sell exactly at that point yeah and especially because I feel like you see a lot of like sports people like starting dealerships because like like businessmen in especially in their like like towns where they were very prolific because businessmen who were fans of them are just so eager to get their name on like yeah oh if dealership you know I wanted to buy a GMC truck I know where I'm going exactly like the birdliner from the Canucks that I had in fake trade proposals with like he feller in a second round pick for four years and early 20s like it makes sense to me yeah before we end today there's a I guess this is after you stop paying attention do you have any memories of Jeff Skinner Jeff Skinner he was like a scoring winger he actually his contract got bought out he had like a seventy point season recently with the the sabers was he on was he oh yeah no my brother talks about Skinner all the time he had a playlist come out for his thousands NHL game and I just wanted to read it off wait is he I think I know who he is because is he really hot I'd say he's pretty hot he he he's not he's not look at look at this picture he's got like a nerd sheet quality to he's a smaller guy and he played as a as he was a figure skater like growing up as well so that's why he's oh yes that's why I love him yeah that's he's my because he he's really fun to watch yes yeah yeah because he skates like super well and he's just dances around everyone else yeah look at yeah I think he's spotify favorites in this link here oh okay I love this wow okay do you think he's he is actually like just into this music or is he doing it ironically or between like the figure skating thing and the playlist you think maybe he is like in the closet it's so funny um but it also kind of reads like if a straight guy was trying to make a playlist that came off as gay yeah it's not like it has like Charlie XCX and chapel Rome and mmm but also some of this stuff is stuff that maybe he would have been like doing figure skating to growing up right yeah like conga by various events so for the listeners it's the best of both worlds by Hannah Montana there are like three Whitney Houston song yeah there's Hillary David Perry yeah Spice Girls um no I think I think this is genuine I think he just because skater boy you know that he was rocking out to oh I think these just have to be songs he skated to for the most part probably which is yeah that's great I think he's just a straight guy with like um like 90s girl taste yeah like okay or like uh 2005 girl taste yeah um this is a great playlist but the craziest one to me is uh wannabe by the Spice Girls yeah they didn't pick like the Spice Girls track right yeah that's like kind of not really a deep cut but it's it's a more a deeper cut than of Spice Girls like yeah it kind of makes me feel like he really likes the Spice Girls like no yeah but it's weird not like an NHL player likes so many Miley Cyrus songs yeah including Hannah Montana but like how old yeah see like our age he's a bit older he's 32 yeah 32 yeah so I feel okay because Hannah Montana like when was that airing that was airing around the time he would have been in junior I feel like 2006 yeah so even like 15 or something yeah so he if he was if he was figure skating then I mean that's what he's skating to probably so like and also um the best of both worlds I feel like a lot of these relate to his um I feel like he thinks that in I feel like these songs are about him to him you know like the best of both worlds he figures skated like hockey and yeah yeah um you know what dreams are made of beautiful soul is the maybe the actually the funniest yeah no I totally I think he just is a beautiful soul I think I think he just has he's a sensitive yeah a sensitive guy well he he plays for the Oilers now so we actually hate them fuck yeah it's a beautiful so I hate when he got his contract bought out oh I'm pissed off all right well has said thank you so much brother on yeah this was great yeah absolutely thanks for having me everyone please go listen to seeking derangements yeah on yeah find podcasts anything else you want to plug um listen to movie minds that when we start back up yes on the John will yeah yeah um maybe I'll do some hockey movies maybe we'll do slap shot and miracle yeah which good goon in there huh get goon in there Sean William Scott oh yeah of course um miracle is a movie that I can literally recite every single word of and me and my brother often do that will um say just like the most random lines from it such as the legs feed the wolf gentle bit who are we playing Sweden yeah you're damn right Sweden flipping over the table um that's a really I love that movie it's great it's a classic I've never actually seen it but I like Kurt Russell you should watch it wait it's really good yeah you absolutely should watch it it's a really good I believe filmed in Vancouver as well oh yeah oh the director of that movie warrior with Tom Hardy yeah and yeah that's another great movie it was his brother in that Joel Edgerton yes yeah yeah it was fun um but yeah thanks for having me on it's I'll come on any time you need to talk uh savers with someone who doesn't really know a lot about it's funny cuz like if you know Coa he's our like most prolific guests and he'll come with like a page two pages of written out notes about like the current savers team because yeah he's a no-life about them like we are so it's fun to have yeah outside um former fan the lapsed fan perspective yeah I mean you should have me and Coa on together should yeah yeah don't gotta ask me twice yeah thanks for listening everybody go Canucks and go savers go savers bye everyone I don't want another pretty face I don't want just anyone to hold I don't want my love always I want to you and your beautiful song I know that you something special to you I'd be always faithful I want to be what you always need and now you'll see the heart in me I don't want another pretty fast I don't want just anyone to hold I want my love to go to waste I want you and your beautiful soil the one I want to chase you're the one I want to hold I won't let another minute go to waste I want you and your beautiful song you beautiful ♪ Oh ♪ (upbeat music)
