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On this one we talk about Bar Rescue, our expectations for the next season, who would win a seven game series between the 2009/10 Canucks at the 2023/24 Canucks, a cool new website, Stefan getting banned from LiveJasmine, and we introduce a new gameshow! Presented by DraftKings - Use Promo Code THPN at sign up at https://www.draftkings.com/ for exclusive offers! The Hockey Podcast Network - @hockeypodnet

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On this one we talk about Bar Rescue, our expectations for the next season, who would win a seven game series between the 2009/10 Canucks at the 2023/24 Canucks, a cool new website, Stefan getting banned from LiveJasmine, and we introduce a new gameshow!

Presented by DraftKings - Use Promo Code THPN at sign up at https://www.draftkings.com/ for exclusive offers!

The Hockey Podcast Network - @hockeypodnet


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[MUSIC] Yo, what's bapping sports fans? It's Aaron and Steph, and with our regular episode for this week. This episode caught us with our pants down. We had a guest booked. We pulled out hours before the show, and it was like a non-hockey guest. We'll get him back soon, but yeah, I was focusing in on having a non-hockey episode. But now we get the joy of talking about the Canucks. >> Yes. >> This is mother stuff for an hour. >> I feel like it would have been a very outlaw heavy episode. >> Maybe. >> With the best we had, potential. >> Yeah, it could be, but we did, so I thought up of a new game show to play at the end here. >> Okay. >> And there are a few Canucks topics I want to get into. Stuff that's been bothering me over the last couple of weeks where we haven't really gotten into. >> Some stuff that's happened too. I mean, Rick Tockett is going to be coaching team Canada. >> Tockett's assistant coach at the Four Nations face off. That's actually a thing that's been bothering me, but I want to get a few off-topic items out of the way. >> Okay. >> Have you read the open letter that John Taffer posted about Bar Rescue earlier this week? >> What? >> It was on Twitter, and I have a book marked here, so I'll have that picture of that guy with the shitty ass from England. >> Dude, that picture is insane. >> Yeah, folks, that picture is nuts. >> So it's a guy at a beer garden at Weatherspoons. Don't know what that, maybe it's a soccer match, a footy match, rather? >> I think it is, I think Libby was talking about this. It is like a, yeah, it's like pubs. It's like, I think it's like- >> Okay. >> Yeah, it's a brand of pubs, I guess. >> It's a public house. >> Yes. >> Okay, so this is from user Beno, B-E-N-O, underscore, I think that's an LDN, who ironically followed by John Taffer. >> Okay. >> But following 120,000 people and followed by 120,000 people, which OP is probably evil, but yeah, post the picture of a guy with like a plumber's butt. >> Yeah. >> With a big buckcrack coming out, and there is like a whole bunch of poop on the ass. And it's so high up in the ass. >> Yeah. >> It's really crazy. >> See, it makes you wonder what he was doing with wiping, or does he just not care about wiping? >> It makes no sense. It's really, really insane. Yeah, you sent me that, and then it got sent to another group chat, I'm in at the same time, and like- And when it got sent to the group chat, it was like, other people were like, oh my god, I had that copy-pasted, ready to send. So it was like going around, yeah. >> Yeah, well, we were, we discovered it while playing Fortnite, I think, or it was on a Sunday. >> It was Sunday. >> July 28th. >> That was Sunday. >> Yeah, okay, it was during the Sunday stream. I thought maybe we were talking about it with DB, what playing Fortnite, but- >> Yeah, it's a really funny picture. It's really nasty. >> So, like, I have that post-bookmarked, and then I have this letter from John Taffer bookmarked, and- >> I can't read the letter. >> I found the letter, because, so he, I guess he hasn't been hosting as much this season or something. >> Yeah, so let's just read it. >> Yeah. >> I wanted to take a moment to address some of the questions and concerns I've been hearing for many of you. Yes, you've noticed that I'm not hosting every episode of Bar Rescue this season. I want to assure you all that I'm in good health and is an executive producer. Even if I'm not hosting an episode, I'm still overseeing every episode and ensuring that Bar Rescue continues to deliver the high standards you've come to expect. You would think you would have time to restart his cameo if he's not hosting the show. >> No kidding, it was about to say. >> Well, actually, maybe he has. I haven't really looked into it, John, Taffer. >> Well, cameo, by the way, is not doing well. >> No. >> They are- >> Let me see, there was an article about it. I think in Fortune Magazine. >> Yeah, in Fortune. Yeah, cameo went from $1 billion unicorn with major investors to a $600,000 court settlement. It can't afford to pay. They are not doing well. >> Damn. Wait, what the fuck? So it looks like he's back. >> Okay. Has he posted anything recently? >> What kind of father's day is this second most? Actually, it's his most recent one, because the first video that comes up, it says intro video. >> Okay. >> Where he's wearing his Vegas Golden Knights hat. >> Yeah. >> So this is kind of- >> It is hockey-related, sort of. >> Is this there's only four left? So there's a finite amount of cameos he can do? >> Oh, maybe they- >> One new feature? >> Yeah, I wonder if there's a thing for celebrities where they can be like, I'm only gonna do like 10 this month, you know? >> Who do they have as podcast creators on here? >> Oh, boy. >> Well, producer- >> The Sean Avery. >> Producer Dan is on there. >> Actually. >> Yeah. >> Okay, so Sean Avery, it's infinite. How many you can request? >> Okay. >> What about the nostalgia critic? Infinite. >> All right. >> That's- >> The nostalgia critic's only 50 bucks. Average video length is a minute 39. >> It's like, that's not a bad deal. >> No, it seems pretty good. >> Yeah. >> But anyways, I- >> Yeah, the last video that Taffer did was in made- >> June. >> June. >> Okay. >> Into June. >> Okay. >> So he has done- >> Yeah, within the past month or two. >> What do you consider that it's $350 in America? >> God, dude, I mean- >> Yeah, god, it would have been so good now, too, because we're not as mad at the products anymore. >> I know, right. >> It's sort of the same- >> Lost in hate, you know? >> Yeah, pretty new listeners. We tried booking him to do a cameo, like five or six times, and it got refunded every time, asking for Aqualini to sell the team. >> And I don't think it was because he didn't want to. I think he was just checked out and not making cameos, but he didn't- >> When you're not making cameos, you can set like a status where it's like, hey, I'm not available right now or whatever, right? >> Because he did do that after the last time you did. >> So I wonder if it was like, he got enough requests that his assistant or whatever was like, okay, we have to set it to- >> Yeah, or if you have a bunch that are defunct, maybe they reached out- >> Automatic. >> Hey, this is fucking over our site. >> Yeah, I will tell you right now, cameo is not paying attention to that shit, because they have- >> No, bigger issues, bigger fish to fry. >> Well, they do, and also, you know, drastic actions. I think he's probably been in your chat a few times. >> No, I don't think so, but- >> Okay, he's big golf king's fan, he's a blocked party listener, and he built a cameo search engine for us. >> Yeah, you got mentioned that before. >> Yeah, and this was years ago, I guess it was like, well, you know what, it might have been right at the start of the pandemic. I want to say it was around that, but anyway, their website was so busted that his search engine, which he built without like hacking anything to be clear, right? It was just like all available information. He, you were able to search for like search terms from like people's like requests, right? So like- >> Okay. >> You could search for like feet or like J.O.I. and see just the most hinged requests. It was crazy, yeah, it was so good. But unfortunately, I think cameo kind of politely reached out. Or I think he maybe even reached out to cameo and was like, hey, you have a lot of security flaws in your website. I was able to do this. People could do much worse stuff if they wanted to. And then I think they maybe fixed it, but it's cameo, so it's possible they didn't. But anyway, John Taffer not hosting Bar Rescue as often this season. >> Yeah, he says that as the industry continues to explode, the number of failing bars is increasing at an alarming rate, which seems kind of strange, right? Because if it's an exploding industry, you would think that the bars are doing well. >> Yeah, right, exploding is a good thing I think, right? >> Yeah. >> In this case, what do you think? >> I think he's just getting long in the tooth and he doesn't want to- >> So I haven't seen any of the new season. >> Because how old is he? He's got to be maybe early '70s even. He's 69 years old. >> Damn. >> Born in 1954. >> Nice. >> Nice. >> Whoa. >> Yup, yup. >> Well, he also hosts, wait a second, he hosted another show called Face the Truth with Vivica A. Fox. >> Yeah, that marriage rescue show as well, right? >> Was he or was that- >> No, marriage ref was- >> That was Jerry Seinfeld, right? >> Yeah, because he did- >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, marriage rescue. Is that still going? I don't know if that's still going. >> Oh, I love clicking on the political views section of his Wikipedia page, causing that now. >> Ignore. >> Yeah, but yeah, he's- I mean, look, I will say this. The new seasons of bar rescue just don't hit the same. Let's be honest. >> Yeah. >> They're just- >> It's a lot more- >> It's way more polished. It's way too polished. >> Yeah, I was going to say septic. It's like it seems faker and not in the funny way that the old episodes were fake. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> It seems really polished, really like rehearsed. It's just not, it's the same thing. I haven't, so Irene and I have been watching 90 Day Fiancé recently. >> Right, yeah. >> Which rocks, obviously. I got introduced to that through CJ. >> Yeah. >> Watching that on a change. And I think it's the same sort of thing where we haven't watched any of the new seasons, but if you go on the 90 Day Fiancé Reddit, everyone's like, the new seasons are just so they're really fake. It's also influencers trying to get on there and they're being over the top on purpose kind of. >> Yeah. >> So it takes away from it. I feel like bar rescue is kind of the same as that. We're like, I mean, the first three or four seasons are classics. >> Absolutely. >> It's unimpeachable. It's perfect reality TV. So if you're finding that 90 Day is getting too extra, I guess, have you done Love After Lockup yet? >> That's the one I suggested to Irene that we watch next because I've heard that one is really crazy. >> It's next to impossible to stream in Canada, but I assume you're on D&B's Plex. >> D&B's Plex, D&B's Plex. >> So I know D&B has a ton of Love After Lockup on it. Which is the stakes are higher because it's people coming out of the penitentiary system. >> Right. >> So 90% of the time, I would say the person that was incarcerated is the way better person in the relationship because the person on the outside is usually very predatory, especially if it's a woman coming out. Maybe I'm a little bit over the top. Usually when it's a woman that's coming out, the guy is usually predatory no matter what the situation, but there's also a lot where it's like a guy that's been locked up and the woman that he's with has these very unrealistic expectations of what their relationship should be. >> Okay. >> Someone's been locked up for 20 years and they spent the first night out with their girlfriend or whatever. >> Yeah. >> And then they want to see their child that they haven't seen outside of prison in 18 years or whatever. >> Okay. >> And then the partner gets all upset. They're not spending time with them and I thought I was your priority. Because they're so used to having this person that has scheduled visitation times and scheduled phone call times and when they are like an actual free human being and not just their person that they like have to talk to at these times were really the person on the outside control everything. >> Right. >> They get really upset about it. And then like also, there's people that have been on the episode that have just like died because they've been on the show and I've looked it up and apparently they pay them like a decent amount of money per episode to be on the show. >> Right. >> And so I think they're motivated to do crazy shit because they're getting paid a thousand bucks per episode. >> Right. >> Okay. >> But you see some real good characters, real good. I like it a lot and it's like just more that feels less edited for the cameras as well. >> Okay. >> There's like true heartwarming moments but also you're gonna be way more pissed off at some of the people on the show. >> Right, right. >> That roller coaster roller coaster of emotions is it's turned up. >> Okay, I'll check that out. Yeah, I mean 90 day, I think the thing with 90 days that there's so many spin offs for it too, right? There's like before the 90 days. >> It's exhausting. >> There's the one where they like go over. It's like the other way where they go to the country. >> That's my favorite. >> That one is really funny man. >> Because you get like real you get all these American fats abroad. >> My God, dude, it's so funny. I mean the ultimate the ultimate couple in that show, I think, wow. I think it's the Moroccan guy and the lady from Florida. >> The wall I want to say. >> The blonde heavy set lady fell down on that sand dune when. >> Yes, yeah. >> And she like refused to eat Moroccan food and only want to eat chicken fingers. >> You're in Morocco. It's probably the food is probably insanely good. Like you're gonna get incredible food there. >> I like the other Moroccan couple where the lady had like a sleeve tattoo and her Moroccan, or maybe it was Algerian. >> Yeah. >> North African and you're eight. He was like, yeah, you like you can't have exposed tattoos out and they're going to a bar. I was like, no, I'm wearing a t-shirt and it was like very uncomfortable culturally. >> Yeah. >> My other two favorite hits from 90 Day are the guy that wore a condom to go swimming in the river because he didn't want any TV show swimming up his pee hole. >> Yeah. >> And then the other guy who was in the Philippines and his fiance's family was spit roasting an entire pig and he thought it was disgusting and refused to eat any of it. >> Yes, yeah. God, dude, what a great, what a fucking great show. >> I think that's the same guy maybe who was that the guy who had to buy the water buffalo for his fiance? >> I forget this was like this is early season when I would have watched it in a few years. >> This couple is still together. This is one of those ones. Like part of the fun too is watching like an early season and then looking up if they're still together and being like totally shocked that some of them are somehow still together. >> But I posted an Instagram story of the one where the guy was talking about like, you know, my life was like falling apart and then I just decided to turn it around. You know, I lost a bunch of weight, started eating healthy. And then I went over to Thailand to have a bit of fun and it's like he's like a 60 year old man and it's like, okay man, we know what that means. >> Like you to man, yeah. >> Oh, God. >> Ben on "Eat Shane" once referred to the show as alien versus predator. Whatever it comes up, that's the first thing I think of. >> One more off topic thing that I wanted to bring up with you today. >> Yes. >> Have you introduced John to joystick.tv? >> Oh, no. >> So for the listeners, joystick is the spiritual successor to what was that old one? >> What was it called? I was trying to think of it right now. >> Because if I just search like porno twitch, it's just going to bring up actual porno. >> Yeah. God, what was it fucking called? >> Ah, shit. God damn it. >> Hey, what it is, is it's a twitch TV, right? So it's meant for streaming video games. >> Yeah. >> But X-rated. >> That's right. >> And so you see some wild shit. It really, it's the chats that are very funny. >> Yes. >> Because like, so the other day I was clicking through and there was a guy playing Sea of Thieves, the pirate game. >> Yeah. >> This is an older gentleman in his 40s or 50s. >> Sure. >> And he was wearing like a pirate top and like the great big pirate hat. >> Oh, it was Plex storm by the way, it was Plex storm. >> Plex storm, there you go. >> I just wanted to look it up, yeah. >> Yeah, much like the bartenders from that one episode of Bar Rescue dressed up like a pirate. Except he wasn't wearing any pants and there was a or underpants for that matter. >> Yeah. >> And he has a two cam setup, one camera on his face where you can like, where it looks like a normal stream. And then a second camera where you can just see his flaccid cock as he places his game. >> It's just, it's soft. Dude, that's what's so funny about it. >> This is like a lot of people. >> A lot of them are just soft on there. >> Which it must just be like a voyeurism thing, right? >> It's got you, I think, yeah. >> But also it's like, it's not, I mean, what's the most popular channel on there? How many views are they pulling in? >> What's it calling them? >> A dozen, it's a joystick. >> I think it's joystick.tv, I believe. Not, not a sponsor of the show. >> No, no. >> But, so I can't speak to any of those. >> Okay, top views on there, 92, actually. >> Not bad. >> Corey Coyote, okay. Yeah, okay, and then, but then it does kind of drop off after that. >> Yeah, like, yeah, this chatter here could go either way. I'm at work, firewall stuff, yeah, and I must go back to lurking now. That's not like the only chat of people that are fucking at work watching just porno streams. >> Yeah, I'm going to look at one right now. Let's see what's going on. Okay, this guy, he's at he plays games with, okay, yeah. He's very soft, he has a piercing at the head of his penis. Yeah, and I think he's got a butt plug in also. Very cool, nice. Okay, nice, what's he playing? Is this, it's either Overwatch or it's the, no, I think this is Overwatch, because I know the Marvel version of Overwatch just came out, but I think he's just playing Overwatch, or Overwatch too, I guess, presumably. Anyway, pretty cool. >> Yeah, I would hate it if my Twitch chat was people telling me how hard they were, if they just came, but I mean, I guess this is like a kink for these people. >> I just kind of like that, but it just says like a joke. >> Yeah, ironically. >> Yeah, I just love that there's a market out there for it, you know? >> It's great. I mean, it kind of makes sense, I guess, you know? >> Yeah. >> But yeah, the chats are so funny. Because they also be the people they're like having conversations about the game itself too. >> Yeah, and I guess some people co-stream to Twitch, but they just don't have like the second camera. >> The soft dick camera on. >> Yeah. >> Which feels kind of perverted to me. >> That their dick is out, and they're not telling me on Twitch. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, especially like probably on Twitch, they're like, oh, if you want to see my dick, go over here, you know? >> Yeah, yeah, they're funneling them because the discoverability is pro. But is discoverability easier on joystick because there's so few streamers. >> That's what I was going to say. >> You're going there for a specific purpose. >> I bet you me and Jesse could just fucking destroy on joystick. >> Yeah. >> You don't have to be nude on there, do you? >> I don't think so. >> God, I mean, look, we're talking about Bar Rescue. Chris James and I had the podcast on Chatterbait. >> Right, and they didn't like that. >> No, it was live Jasmine that kicked us off. >> Okay. >> They kicked us off because we had Brandon Wardell on and he wasn't signed up. Whereas like we had both signed up as like official models on there. >> [LAUGH] >> And Brandon Wardell was like an unauthorized model. So we got kicked up with Jasmine. >> Well, you see Wardell is like maybe he's a minor. >> Well, there's that too, yeah. But Chatterbait was a bit more Wild West, I think. And they didn't really, the funniest thing with that was when we had Todd Glass on one episode. And we're like on Chatterbait talking about Bar Rescue, and. >> Was Todd Glass signed up? >> No, because Chatterbait, they don't really seem to fucking care. >> Okay. >> Oh, it was on Chatterbait. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Not Jasmine, sorry, continue. >> Yeah, and then this is like the chat I will remember the rest of my life, is someone like clearly on Chatterbait to like jack off wanders in the chat room and is like, is that Todd Glass? >> [LAUGH] >> I mean, he's got some star status, right? >> Oh, yeah. >> Like you listen to his old podcast. >> I mean, I don't think you're expecting to see him on Chatterbait if you're on there. >> No, yeah, because you're probably going there to crank your thing. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah. >> So last episode, you had mentioned seeing some clips from the Missing Curfew podcast with- >> Yes. >> Canucks legend, Shane O'Brien. >> And Scotty up. >> Up dog, they call him. >> Yes. >> Scotty Upshaw. >> Yeah. >> And it's the dog days of summer listeners. If you're out here looking for hockey content, you've noticed that we've talked about like jacking off and bar rescue and stuff for like 25 minutes. Yeah, there's not a lot of hockey content. >> There really isn't a lot. I mean, look, we can do a whole episode on Rick Talk at being the assistant coach on Team Canada. That's what you really want. >> Yeah, so this will eventually segue into the hockey talk. >> Sure. >> But I've been listening to some of their episodes. And it's not the media that I would usually consume. >> Right, because especially when it comes to hockey. >> It's pretty like Broi, I think, right? >> It's very Broi. >> Yeah. >> It's certainly chauvinistic. >> Yeah. >> But there are interesting insights, especially because Channel Brian was a member of a few really good Canucks teams. >> Yeah. >> And also the first episode I listened to, they talked about jacking off for like five minutes to begin the show. >> Yeah. >> And I think it was Scotty Upshaw was saying that, so he ate his shower. There's like a shelf outside of it where he can like set up a porno on his phone. >> [LAUGH] >> And look at it through the glass of his shower. >> Is he single? >> And then his phone doesn't get, no, he's married with like two kids. >> Okay, yeah, that's good. >> And they give advice on like, their buddy never goes out because he's always with his girlfriend. What should we do? And they're like, well, it depends. You can plant some panties in his room. So his girlfriend finds it and gets upset at him and then she dumps him. But you gotta make sure you got some girls lined up for him or like a good trip. You gotta go out there and play armchair GM and make sure there's some girls lined up for him if you're gonna do that. >> Like, but then you also learned like he would call the NHLPA every month, Shano Bryan would and say, we need our own fucking rooms when we're on the road. What is this? I'm not sharing a room with another guy. And eventually they changed that and like the newest CBA or that like both him and the sedines were bad flyers, like they didn't like flying. >> Okay. >> They went to like a thing for bad flyers like at the airport with like Air Canada or some shit. So they could like see how the plane works. And this is where the pilots do it. They had to apparently help them quite a bit. He said like in Anaheim, occasionally, if they didn't get their proper charter, they'd have to fly in a normal plane and Randy Carlisle, I think he called him Randy the fucker flying business with the other coaches by himself and the team would have to sit in an economy. So some interesting stuff like that. But he brought up a hypothetical that I wanted to get your opinion on. Okay, who wins a playoff match up? The 2023-24 Canucks that just got eliminated against Edmonton or the 2009-2010 Canucks that were bounced by fucking Chicago. I believe this was the Matt Sundine year. Because yeah, it would have been the year before 2011, obviously. And Shano Bryan wasn't on that 2011 team. So that was the year that Henrik won MVP, I think, right? Yes. So you had, um, Henrik was the MVP. You had a Pavel Demetra on the team. It was, I believe, the Matt Sundine year. I think it was. Demetra only played 28 games. It was not the Sundine year. I think Sundine was 0809. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, so, but you had Michael Samuelson, right? So it was like the Sundines and Samuelson. Yeah. Or the Sundines and Burrows. Oh man. Okay, let me, let me look at this here. So their defense was, you had Erhoff, Edler, Salo, BX, Willy Mitchell, Shano Bryan. You had a few games of Matthew Schneider, although he got out of there. You had Aaron Rome. Alberts played a few games, Luca, Witch. Yeah, Bon God, okay. And then, and then you've got, yeah, the Sundines, Burrows, Kessler, Mason Raymond, Samuelson, Kyle Wellwood, Steve Bernier, Demetra. Demetra didn't have a great year, I would say, 16 points in 28 games. I forget, I guess he was hurt that year. Um, Hanson, I don't know. I think the defense has better depth here. Oh, nine and 10, right? Obviously doesn't have a Quinn Hughes. It doesn't have a Quinn Hughes, but probably more balanced overall. I think it's more balanced overall. It's got more depth. The four ones. You do have like Willy Mitchell, who's a pretty big bastard. Yeah. That's, that's one that I wonder about too. Like if the Canucks hadn't acquired Ballard and just kept Willy Mitchell. For the 2011 run. Yeah. Probably like the type of player that would have helped them a lot there. Yeah. Yeah. God. So you're, but you're talking about like, peak sedines, right? This is some sedines. You would imagine that like the JT Miller line would match up against them, right? Yeah. Oh, right. Cause, cause Daniel had 85 points, but in 63 games, because this was the- That was the year he got hurt, right? Yeah, but it wasn't the Keith Elbow. Cause that was 2012. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Cause that lasted into the playoffs. I forget what he got hurt with that year, but yeah, you're right. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. So, so peak sedines, Daniel would have almost certainly hit 100 points. Damn near Pete Kessler, he had 75 points. Only 25 as well at the time. Yeah. And he had 25 goals. Burrows had 35 goals. He had 67 points in 82 games. Raymond had 25 goals. Samuelson had- Oh my God, man. Their goal scoring was crazy. Yeah. Like, I think if you look at, well, okay. Yeah. So look at this. I mean, I think we had this year, they had like higher goal scores, right? Cause you had Besser with 40, Miller with 37, Pedersen with 34. But then it drops off to 24 for Hoaglander, 20 for Garland, right? Yeah. So the top five goal scores, the top five goal scores this year. Yeah. Besser with 40, Miller with 37. Pedersen with 34. Hoaglander with 24, Garland with 20. The top five for the 0-9-10 Canucks. 35, Burrows. 30, Samuelson, 29, Daniel, 29, and 25 for Raymond and Kessler. Yeah. That's crazy. So I, oh man. And then the goal tending, I mean, you have Luongo, right? You have Luongo as well, right? And I guess for the purpose of this exercise, you can say there's healthy Demko, but like, Demko seemed better under pressure. Like that was the seven on go. Was it? No, that was another year where Luongo led in seven goals though, right? I think it was, yeah. Second time they lost to Chicago. I believe that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I think. Yeah. Yeah, cause it was the year before 2011 where they beat them at third times of charm, right? Yeah. So there, I guess there'd be maybe more questions about Luongo. Yes. Even though this was the year that he won Olympic gold. Yeah. There's more bangers on this team, right? Like you all sort, you're talking about like Rick Rippin, Shano Bryan, obviously, like there's lower lineup. Like I think the, just the way that the game's evolved, there's way more skill on this current Canucks bottom six. But then I mean, I don't know, you look at like, Bill Jolson's tough, Susie is tough, Zadorov is very tough, Josh, who was a tough guy? Garland is a shit Disturber. Yeah. I think I probably still take the online 10 because they're one year away from being 2011 cooks, right? And that's a team that was really good on paper. And if they got through Chicago, like who knows, right? But it's close. I think it's close, which I think speaks to like where the team is at, right now, right? Where we're even putting them in the same breath as, because the online 10 team, I think it's forgotten, right? I think that just because of how it ended, right? Exactly. I think the two years before 2011 get forgotten a lot, right? Because obviously 2011 takes up most of your memory space, right? Because why wouldn't it? Yeah, it's like the most memorable. But like going into those years, you're like, this is a cup contending team. Certainly. The only reason they get it, they keep running into these Chicago Blackhawks, right? Yes, exactly. So I better too young to know how to lose. I think I take 0-9-10. I'm assuming I'm guessing O'Brien said the same thing, probably. Oh, he said the 0-9-10 would kick this current team's ass, because this team, well, he thought that Miller would line up against Kessler and Kessler would piss off Miller and get Miller off his game. Which would be a matchup I would love to see if you could like actually simulate it realistically and see how it would go on. Absolutely. Very fun, hypothetical. But I think realistically, you would have the Miller line against Daniel and Henrik, and so you'd have Pederson against Kessler, which would also be really fun. I think Kessler would eat up Pederson. I think Kessler would really annoy Pederson, especially the Pederson that we saw in the playoffs this last year. But then again, you would have had Lindholm, right? That's true. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's closer than maybe, I don't think they're necessarily destroying them, but I would still favor the 0-9-10 team. But again, I think just the fact that we're mentioning them in the same breath is like such a good sign. Yeah. And I think it's making me more excited for next season, right? Because you look at the 0-9-10 team, they're like totally forgotten, right? But they lost in the second round as well, and then they just took a huge step forward the following year. And like, I don't know, we'll see what happens. I think there's a lot of good reasons to be excited though. I want to continue this thought in a second, but this time for a little break. Stefan, you know the beautiful thing about being a sports fan? What's that? There's only like two days the whole year without a game. Two, with so much happening and so much action that makes just about everyday game day at Draft King Sportsbook. It's super easy for first-timers to get started. Try betting on something simple, like picking a team to win. Go to Draft King Sportsbook app, select your team, and place your first bet. It really couldn't be any easy, or any simpler. So it is the Olympics right now, which is great. Because unless you're a baseball guy, there's not a whole lot of sports to pay attention to. But now there's all these new ones, but I want to focus in on a not new sport. It's not news the wrong word. It's new to you, maybe. Yeah, I'm like canoeing has been around for a while. Sure, yeah. In terms of betting on it, yeah. Yeah, Olympic basketball, baby. Yep. Um, Canada's been doing pretty good. They're looking good. One of the first two games. Yeah. There's Shay Gilgis Alexander. That's his name. So good. Yeah, he's- I always want to call him Shay Gorgeous Alexander. I mean, he's gorgeous. He looks great. But yeah, he's wonderful. He's like, he's like, he might be like a top five player in the NBA, which is crazy. Yeah, like crazy good closer. Like, based on everyone in the NBA, as like a closer with the last shot, he might be the guy right now. So we'll see. But the overall odds to win the tournament going to go through the top eight here. Actually, let's do top. Top 10, why not? Brazil plus 40,000. Okay. South Sudan plus 15,000. Greece plus 12,000. Spain plus seven and a half thousand. Australia plus 3,000. Serbia plus 2,000. France plus 1800. 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Yeah, like a first round loss obviously feels like a step back. That would be a step back. I think a second round loss. I mean, it would just feel like it's more of the same, I guess. It's different because obviously this past year, there were no expectations, right? So I think even if they had lost in the first round, it would have sucked, but it would have been like, "Well, they made the fucking playoffs." Definitely. And I think obviously we're playing with House Money and everything, but we're going into next year with actual expectations. There are people who are going to be picking them to go far, which hasn't happened in a long, long time. And so I think losing in the second round, especially if they lose to Edmonton in the second round, and it becomes like a Chicago thing again, right? Yeah. I think that feels awful, and I think that really, it's, that feels like a step back too, even though it's potentially the same thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think it's Conference Finals or Bust. I don't want to, you don't want to put too much pressure on them obviously. But that's kind of the next logical step, right? I mean, that's just how it works. So I think it's, I think it's Conference Finals for me. Low key, I think it might be Cup or Bust. Really? Because just like given their window, right? Like we talk about how their window is the when you use contracts, right? Yeah. And also like J.T. Miller against time. Yeah. So like, I like the look of this team this year. I would like it if they improve their defense a little bit. Yeah. I'm very worried about a Carson Susie injury. For sure. And then you have like Derek Forbert and your top four for defense men. Yeah. Not something I really too interested in seeing. But I love the four depth for this year. Yeah. Like all your main pieces are coming back. I think the Canucks might not do as well in the regular season, but I just, I also think that they could be just an improved team. Even if the results aren't as high based on like percentages, right? Like yeah. Queenie was getting 90 points. J.T. Miller getting over 100. Besser scoring over 40. Like are all three of those things going to happen again? Probably not. Probably not. But I could see 30 plus goals for Besser. And I could see well over a point per game for J.T. Miller. And I think that like Q's repeating is definitely within like the realm of possibility, right? Yeah. And then I think Elias Betterson's going to have a better year as well, right? Yeah. So and I love all the depth. You look up and down the lineup. You're like, every line is good full of competent NHLers. Like there's a good chance you could see Hoaglander and Suter back on a fourth line again next year, which is an insane luxury when those were two top six players for you to end last season. And then going into next year, they have pew suitors of UFA. You get the increased hit for the OEL buyout. Besser's a UFA and Hoaglander needs a new contract. Yeah. So immediately like Besser, if he stays, it will be because he had another good season about, you know, let's say a 70 point season or something, right? Yeah. He's going to be commanding. They all had this article in the athletic projecting into like way into the future. Yeah. And I think they used that, um, is it AFP analytics? Yeah. They had a contract projections for next year. And I think it said like 8.25. I think that's, I was going to say it's going to be around 8 million. Around 8 million, right? Yeah. That takes up a lot of money. Hoaglander, I think his projection was like three and a half for two years. Yeah. Which is a significant increase in money. Yeah. You're going to have to find a replacement for suitor. Uh, sprung's going to be gone. Gee, Giuseppe's going to be gone. I mean, maybe sprung isn't gone, right? Maybe resigns, but you're, you're getting more pinched. Oh, even if like, even if the cap's going up. And then that happens again the year after with that, your Demco. Yeah. So based on contract situations of like top, I think we would consider core pieces. Like this is when they're all going to be the cheapest right now, right? Like you've already seen, uh, Patterson go up a lot of money and her. I'm going to go up at a lot of money. And I, if they do say, resign, Demco and Besser, uh, it's going to be harder to build around them. It's like what happened with Tampa Bay, right? So I think having the expectation of like we can win the cup this year and that should be the goal is completely valid. Oh, yeah. I think you've kind of convinced me. Like, yeah, like the clock is running out. Like we think that, hey, they're, and I mean, Patterson's only 25, right? Yeah. Like he uses even young. I guess he's going to be 26 for next season. He uses 24. I'll be turn 25 during next season. So all these core pieces are still young. Like there's a lot of runway in front of them, but like the further you go into this window, without it, just like the less likely I think it gets. It's why I like- Depending on what happens with LeCara-Mackie- Depending on what happens with LeCara-Mackie. Yeah, exactly. They're so important. And I think I'm more open to trading LeCara-Mackie, I think than LeCara-Mackie. Really? Yeah. I think so. I do think so. I think LeCara-Mackie has a chance to be really good. And he's, you know, he's a right-handy. Like I, I just think- I think they don't even bow for them. I think this ownership, not ownership group, this management group is conservative enough with like their assets that- Like they didn't go out and trade futures for the rights to try and sign Jake Genssel, especially because they probably would have had to pay more for them. They like went for that volume approach of getting a lot of pretty good wingers instead of like one really, really good winger. For sure. And I think based on everything I've heard reported about untouchable prospects, like they don't want to trade their top three prospects, which I assume would be, well, obviously LeCara-Mackie and Villander, then maybe DPD? Yeah. Probably, right? It would be DPD. When they're talking about like trade ships, right? Like- I guess it could be Rott too, but probably not, right? Rott too looks like if he hits, he'll be like a bottom six winger, which is good. It's valuable to have. It's probably DPD. I think you're right. It probably is DPD. Yeah. So I just think based on that hesitance, they might trade this year's first or whatever. Yeah. But or maybe Hoaglander, how much time do we got? Should I save us for later? Well, we have the game show you want to do. We've got the game show. Yeah. Just the Hoaglander takes that have been percolating, have been annoying me a lot. Like I've heard it said that like, how can Hoaglander play in your bottom? Well, like in your fourth line, like he's going to get- I might be played to the fourth line for most of the last year, and he put up 24 goals. Yeah. It's not a huge, that's a luxury to have. Like I don't think that having Hoaglander and Podkolzen on the 23-man roster is completely incompatible. I just think if you're looking to add a top four D-man, Hoaglander's going to have the most value because he's only 23. But adding someone like Daniel Sprong, who's 27 in a pending U of A, doesn't mean that Hoaglander can't factor into your future plans, you know? For sure. Like I think that's like a player that you're taking a flyer on that can score, right? But the more players that can score, the better. It makes sense to keep him around. The reason why you see him in trade proposals is because he has value, and he isn't Villander Ilekara Mackie. Yeah. And he's way more open to trading Hoaglander now, compared to this time last year. Just because that window might be closing, right? And he is going to get more expensive, especially if he puts up anything close to what he did last year. Which I also don't think he will, probably. Because he's 100% is, right? Yeah, exactly. So it could be like kind of peak value because he is so cheap, and what I mean is a contender that's up against the cap going to want to... Well, a lot of factors consider here. But I just... I don't think he should be written off as a... Well, they can't keep up. Look how deep this lineup is. Like, yeah, it's good that the lineup's deep. Yeah. That rocks. Yeah. And I think if you lose a Filgy Decepe or anilzamonta waivers, whatever. My placement level players, right? Good teams lose good players on waivers because their team is so good, right? Yeah. That's just what happens. And if both of those players beat out Podkolsen and Podkolsen's going back down to the AHL, where he would get claimed, I would imagine, right? Yeah. Fucking... I guess then it's time to give up. But like, I think they're better with asset management than that. So it's not a big... I think so, too. Big concern. Yeah. Uh, let's get into my game show. Sure. So this is based loosely on the price is right. Okay. The way this is going to work is I've picked out six players here, actually. And I've got their goals assist, PIMS shots on goal and plus minus from this specific season. Okay. Uh, I'm going to ask you how many of like each stat you think they got. Okay. And we're going to compare it to the actual. And I guess we'll see like which player you can do the best on. Maybe in the future we can like battle against each other. But I just came up with this today, partly because our guests pulled out. So let's get into it. I'll start with a... I'm going to start with a real easy one that I wasn't initially going to start with, but it came up over the course of the show. Okay. So 2009, 2010, Henrik Sidine. Yes. Who we talked about earlier. This was his MVP season. Yeah. How many goals did Henrik Sidine score that here? I think we did say this earlier. I believe it was 29. Boom. Yeah. Perfect. Now, how many assists did he get? He had, I want to say, I looked at this earlier. I was just looking at this. I want to say he had like 112 points. So he would have had, let's see, 21 goals. So 71, plus 81, 83 assists. Whoo! Yeah. There we go. How many penalty minutes? Oh, well, I didn't look at that. I mean, he didn't get that many as the thing. So I think maybe... 25. Yep, 48. Wow. I wonder, I guess they were being targeted a lot, so maybe there was some... Yeah, they're probably just... They're also pretty good with the tik-tok, like stick penalties and stuff too. Yeah. So that is a 23 point off deduction. How many shots on goal? Oh boy, 82 games, 29 goals. He didn't shoot very much, though. I don't know, 175. Close, 166. Okay. Is that like 17 and a half shooting percentage? Um... Because his shots were just like, he would just, like, they were tap-ins so many of the time. Yeah. Okay. All right. Ah, god damn it. Plus minus. Whoa. Wow. A lot of power play goals, obviously. They were good defensively too, though. They're a pretty good team that year. 112 points. I mean, a lot of those are going to be power play points. Mmm... I think you would have been like, plus 32. Very close. Plus 35. Wow. Okay. So let's tally this one up. That is... Boom. 35 points off in all stat categories. I feel that's really good. That doesn't seem to... Well, yeah, because I nailed two of them exactly. You nailed the first two, right? Yeah. But I think maybe the problem of this game is like shots on goals and penalties are like big numbers that you can be further off on. Yeah. So I wonder if there's a way to, like, weigh the score where, like, if you're off by, like, every 10 penalty minutes is, like, one point or something. Yeah. Like, maybe it's something... I'm not that big of a spreadsheet genius. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to go to the next easiest one. Okay. Just because it happened so recently. Elias Petterson's disappointing 23-24 season. So last season for Elias Petterson. Last season. How many goals? Uh... He had over 30, but he didn't... He slowed... There was a time where it looked like he was going to score 40. I'm gonna say... I'm gonna say... I'll say right down the middle. Say 35. 34. Okay. So off by one. Okay. Assists. So 34 goals. I feel like he had, like... I think he was, like, just over a point per game. I want to say he had, like, 85 points. Hmm. Was he close to 90? 34. Um... I'll say... I'll just say 51 assists. Ah, a little low. 55 assists. Okay. So yeah, he put up 89 points last year. The bum. I think that's pretty fun. That's another disc course that's been pissing about. I was like, oh, will he be able to... Yeah, he finished the season bad. Yeah, he'll bounce back from 89 points. Yeah. When we saw him, like, shitty before, it was when he missed training camp. And we had to get that bridge deal, right? And then shockingly, his play dropped off when he got the new contract and they forced him into contract talks. Yeah. Above and beyond the injury stuff, right? But it's still so funny to me. And it's like, big question mark. I don't know if he's gonna... When has he ever not bounced back? And this season that you all hate, he put up just under 90 points. Goddamn it. How many penalty minutes did he get? Ooh. Didn't he get nominated for the Lady Bank? Yes. Okay. That's the awesome Matthews, I believe. Well, he didn't get into any fights, because I was gonna say 15, but that would require a chance. Yeah. It is an even number. 14? 12. Okay. All right. Fucking pretty close, man. Not bad. I mean, I feel like I've looked at his stats enough this year that they've sort of rubbed off on me. I've got some trickier ones coming up, but... Okay. Shoss on goal? Okay. I'll say 180. A bit more of a volume shooter than that. 2007. Yeah. And then plus minus. I'll say plus 25. He was plus 20. Okay. Let me just work out of the difference here. This is fun. Yeah, it's good. Hopefully it's okay to listen to. Yeah. I'm trying to add my cells in, so it just does it for me. 39, which was very close to the 35 that you got in Hendricksonine. Okay, not bad. Okay, let's go. 2014-2015. Remember this is the... Oh, Jesus. The, the Tour de Relier with a Canucks 5th leading score. Chris Higgins. Oh, man. Ah, I'm gonna say he had... We'll do goals first. Yeah, goals first. Man, that was a rough year. That was a really bad year. I'll say he had 15 goals. Nope, he had 12 goals. Man. I was like, man, I think I overestimated it. How many assists? He's the 5th leading score. Yeah. I think he had more assists than that. I'm gonna say he had 22 assists. Very close, 24 assists. Okay. So, yeah, 5th leading score. How many assists do you say? Sorry, 22. 22. Yeah, 22. So, yeah, he had a total of 36 points. Oh, man. 5th leading score. Oh, my gosh. A start contrast to 0-9-0-10. How many penalty minutes? Uh, I feel like Higgins... He wasn't like a tough guy, but he would... I'll say 40. This one tripped me up to 16. Oh, wow, okay. Maybe he was a bit of a... Yeah, I guess he wasn't like a rough player at all. Yeah, you're just thinking of him good defensively. He must take pins, but... Yeah, and also just because it was such a bad year. You know, I feel like in a bad year, your players will have more penalty minutes because they're getting pissed off. Right. But I guess everyone had checked out that year as the thing. Yeah, um, Shot's on goal. That's on goal. He had 12 goals. Oh, man. Uh, I'll say 130. Uh, 171. Wow. Yeah, not like a super high-volume sheet, but he was also hurt a little bit as I recall. Right. I think he only played 60 games. I don't have that written down. Plus minus. Ooh. Minus 12. Plus eight. Wow, really? Yeah. Okay. That was a tough one. Yeah, 90. 90 off. The Shot's on goal really fucked you, I feel. Yeah, it did. It did. All right. 2002-2003, Artem Chubarov. His most prolific scoring year. How many goals did Artem Chubarov score? West Coast Express prime. 11? Nope, he had seven goals. Okay. How many is this? Uh, 11? Very close. He had 13. Okay, okay. Not bad. Uh, penalty minutes. I just feel like he wasn't playing enough to get that many penalty minutes as a thing, but I'll, I'll say, uh, like 28? Six. What? Yeah, I know, right? Wow, okay. What's he doing out there? Hey, Lady Ben. So you should get into it more. Shot's on goal. Oh, man. He had seven goals. He was the fourth line center. Yeah. God. I'll give you your hand. It's not a big number. Yeah. I mean, I, I think like 75. Very close. He had 78. Okay. And then finally, what was this plus minus? Oh, 203. They made the playoffs. He's on the fourth line. So I mean, there's line matching and stuff. He was more of a defensive guy. Oh, before you guess, let's add some tension. You were currently at 31. So if you're within four, you tie your best for O nine to 10. Wow. And Henrik's in eight. I will say, I'll say he was plus five. Oh, he's plus four. That does mean a new personal best. Wow. We're, we, we didn't do a couple more, right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. 97, 98, Messier. This was Messier's best season with the Vancouver. Man. Oh, I feel it's Messier school. I feel like it's better than you would think maybe like. But it's not like, I don't think you didn't score like, I don't think you scored like 30 with them even. I don't know. I feel like 26 goals. Close 22. Okay. Assists. This is the best season. Yeah. Okay. 22. How many points? I just don't know what guys watching back then. So yeah, I don't know. It's more like how much do you remember the annals of history? I mean, I'll say. I'll say 25. Not quite a bit more, actually. He had 38 assists. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. So that's way 22 and 30. He had 60 points. Yeah. Okay. And that was his best season. That was his best season. Yeah. He was like close to the other ones. I think his last one was the worst. He had like 48 points or some shit. Oh, god. I'm going to go back to my spreadsheet. Pelley minutes. I'll go right down the middle 50. Yes. He had 58. Okay. Some other years he had a lot. Yeah, because I was going to see. He had like some over 100 and I'm just pulling up his stats now. Yeah. Because those Canucks were like they had like Bashir. I remember they playing NHL video games back then. The Canucks were really bad, but they were always the toughest team in the league. Yeah. So in New York in 95, 96, he had 122 pins. Oh, wow. But yeah. Messier is best season 60 points in 97, 98. In 82 games. Then the following area had 48 points and 59 games. So better points per game. And in his last season, 99, 2,054 points in 66 games. So honestly, production wise, his last two seasons were better. He couldn't stay healthy. Yeah. Also, this is like a thing I've considered putting in, but when you go back long enough, it's not there. I don't know how you do it for like the the difference, but ice time. Man was playing 2,242 at night in that 98 season. God. Yeah. They were leaning on his bald ass. How many shots did he get though? Okay. 22 goals. Did he play all these two games? Yes, he did. Okay. He's going to be getting like lots of power play time, probably. I'll say 195 shots. Oh, he actually didn't shoot all that much. He had 139 shots. Wow. Okay. All right. Well, that's going to. That's going to. That kind of fucks you. That's a difference of 56. But maybe you can make up for the plus or minus. What was this plus or minus that year? Well, I know this team was dog shit. I know he was super checked out. I know he was like notorious for like not trying. Bad defensively. I'll say minus 15. Well, it's minus 10. Okay. All right. difference of 86 on that one. Oh, but that's better than than 14 15 Higgins. That's true. Yeah. Really, it was the PIMS that that fucked you there. Yeah. I got a lot got one last one prepped. And this is another West Coast Express one. Okay. Which is 2002, 2003. Brendan Morrison. Oh, 203. Which was his best season. I believe in the NHL certainly as it came out. Oh boy. I okay. I think goals wise. I think he definitely had more than 20. I can confirm. Yes. I'll say he had 26 goals. Close. See a 25. Okay. We are on a good place. How many assists? 25 goals. Played with Nasland in Virtus. I just don't know if he ever got this is his best season. I don't know if he ever got to point per game with them. But I'll say. 25 goal. I'll say I'll say 50 assists. Get him to 75 points. Not quite. He had 46. Okay. 71 points that year. Yeah. How many PIMS? Oh man. I mean, he was not a tough guy by any stretch of the imagination. But he's playing a lot. Right. Yeah, a lot of minutes. Which will give you more penalty minutes. I'll say. 20. 28. Once again, close. It was 36. Okay. Not bad. How many shots did he have? Ah, he was not a shooter. He was not a shooter. This is where I always get fucked over though. Yeah. We'll see. You're making good pace now. You're at 13 difference right now. So we could have a B right here. This could just destroy me. But you could get fucked over. He played a lot. He was on the power play. But he was more often than not the setup man. He had, sorry, you said 22 goals or 25 goals. He had 25 goals. 25 goals. I'll say 160. Oh my God. It was 167. Okay. Okay. We take that. So you just got here at 20 points right now. So if you're within 15 of his plus minus, we are going to have a new best. This should be doable. Because I think for something like this, I know he's relatively high plus. I feel like because that team was like. But no. Yeah. I think he's. I want to say he's like plus. I'll say plus 15. Plus 15. Plus 18. Okay. 23. Okay. Nice. Pretty good. That's pretty hard, huh? That is tough. That's really fun though. Yeah. We should we should get again. I think other themes you can mix in. Some different stats. Or we could both prepare a couple and see how each other do. I think the way to do it as well is we could just we'll name a guy like. During the episode and and make our guesses. And then we'll open up, you know, hockey DB or whatever afterwards and then. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll throw some names out there. Yeah. So yeah, like this I was able to like prep. But that is a good idea. Because then we can both guess for the same guy and see who does better. I like it. We're learning on the fly here. So there's one, not really administrative, but talking to a friend of the show, Jackson McDonald after an episode last week. It was after Sprong got signed. So I guess it was the week before last. And we're talking about, do these these contracts slide? Like, how does that work? And he looked into it. So I believe my words are any nerds out there. So I'm saying, but. Any player that is eligible to slide, i.e. 18 to 19 year old CHLers, do not count against the contract limit unless they've played 11 NHL games. Okay. So very similar to like it counting against their their ELC. So the Canucks were, we thought at 49 out of 50 slots, but Sorri Manio will certainly be sliding down and playing in Seattle this year in the WHL. And she'll get a lot of minutes too, which is awesome. Yeah, which is exciting. So the Canucks are still at really 48 slots. Pullman does count, even though he's LTIR, if he is, what, however they're going to do that. So it looked into it deeper with the AHL. So the sliding thing applies to entry level contract players in any non NHL affiliated league. So if they're playing in Europe or if they're playing in the CHL and they're 18 to 19, they slide. But they don't slide if they're playing the AHL or ECHL. So Lucara Mackey, for example, he just turned 20. So it's kind of a non factor. 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